How to Replace a Moen Posi-temp Shower Valve Cartridge
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2022
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In this video I take you step by step how to replace a Moen Posi-temp cartridge.
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Thank you. I did this before about 38 years ago LOL, no videos back then. You helped me a lot and saved my bacon. Cheers
Great job. This is the best how-to video that I have viewed. Excellent filming, close-ups, illustrations, humor, and narration. Keep up the fine work. Thank you.
Thank you for the compliment I appreciate it, and I’m happy to hear you like the video!
If you read the instructions it's simple to take the cartridge out
Best video out there. Had to make an extension for the puller that came with the valve . Original cartridge had a washer at the deep end, way inside. New cartrage only had one washer. Works fine.
if anyone needs the tool to remove the cartridge, ACE sells one for $12. It's the "ACE" in house brand and it works perfectly.
Thank you for sharing randomcheese!
The best video!! Watch the whole video first before performing the job. Turn off the water first always. I learned the hard way
Great how-to! I would have appreciated finding this last Sunday when I had to replace my mother-in-law’s shower cartridge.
Here’s a little tip for you and your audience from my experience;
After replacing the cartridge as per instructions, the water would not shut off completely. There was substantial dripping with the valve in the off position.
My suspicion was hard water deposits which turned out to be correct and the likely culprit of the original valve failure.
I removed the new cartridge and inspected the valve body bore. Sure enough, mineral deposits visible in the bore.
I used plumbers emery cloth and, by hand, gently polished the inside of the valve to remove the deposits.
Once I flushed and cleaned the valve, reinstalled reapplied lubricant and replaced the cartridge, the valve sealed beautifully!
Good luck and God bless!
Great advice, thank you for sharing!
Thank you. Very clear instruction for dummies.
This is the best how-to video I've watched. I was so frustrated replacing my cartridge the other day and wasn't satisfied with the results. Now I'm going to go back and re-do it. Thanks for this video 👍🏼
Thanks Mike I appreciate the compliment!
@@BJPoznecki it works like a champ now! 💥👍🏼
@@michaelhernandez1218
Excellent, good to hear everything went smoothly!
I just now finished installing a new 1222 cartridge replacing the original (leaking) cartridge that came with the Moen Shower faucet (installed in back in 2008). Removing the old cartridge was indeed quite an ordeal as the unit was very heavily crusted with lime deposit - it took my son and I about 45 minutes to loosen it (odd as we have had a soft water system since 2008).
I will say that I'm very glad that I opted for purchasing the puller tool as I don't think the outcome would have been successful (BTW, the Danco brand puller tool that I purchased at 'Home Despot' was was much cheaper than the Moen version).
Just the same, thank you very much BJ for the video. It was very helpful.
My pleasure happy to hear the video was helpful!
Yes, the Danco tools usually work just as well as the OEM at a fraction of the cost.
You saved the day Poznecki.... thank you --- thank you !!!
indeed it is impossible to remove the old cartridge because the wing washers fray and are sheered off in the removal process.
like delicatessen slices they get wedged in the pipe and the hot/cold openings and make removal an impossible task.
With my wrench I broke off the metal piece and the plastic began to crumble. - I was in total panic mode !!!!!
Thanks to the secret Poznecki double screwdriver technique I was able to ever so slowly forward the cartridge to a position where I could get a firm grasp on the cartridge body.
Much appreciation .... Bo
Happy to hear the video helped get the job done!
Thanks for your video. It has been very helpful. Follow your detail steps and I was able to replace the broken posi temp valve today. Saved me time and money.
That’s fantastic happy to hear Michael!
Just replaced my leaky cartridge using your excellent guidance,
thanks BJ P.
My pleasure!!
OMG. That tip about bending the legs of the clip saved me a call to the plumber.
The new cartridge sticks out just a tiny bit. I just couldn’t put the clip back in. I even bought another type of clip to try to put it in. Didn’t work. I was to the point of giving up and was gonna call a plumber. Everything was in place but couldn’t get the d@mn clip back in!😅
Finally I searched to see if anyone is talking about this problem. And there you are! You showed how you can bend the clip to fit it in. Woala! It worked!
The faucet is fixed!
Thank you!!
Excellent good to hear that did the trick!
Thanks BJ! Your instructions made this task easy.
Great video. Answered all the questions I had on this repair. One thing I did to keep water from getting behind the wall under the valve body was to put a piece of plastic wrap under the valve body before pulling the cartridge. Mine was slightly recessed into the wall.
Great idea Patrick! The plastic wrap will probably even work better than using a rag or towel.
Thank you much, BJ! Couldn’t of done this fix w/o this video!! I’m no handyman, but was able to replace the cartridge w/your help. TNX again.
My pleasure Anthony happy to help!
Excellent tutorial, I have replaced a few of these at home. However, you still simplified it. Took out the guess work👍
Thank you, I’m happy to hear the video was helpful!
When you have detailed instructions like this one, you can fix anything you want.! Thank you for this video, which shows how professional you are. I am no longer afraid to do it by myself. I have some suggestion how to remove old silicon.. The best results is to use a safety razor blade and press it flat against the surface of the tiles. Best regards from Polish handyman.
Dziękuję, przyjacielu 🇵🇱 sto lat 🥃
Excellent DIY video. Thank You so much.
Thank you for the compliment!
Thank you for this video. Although i installed everything correctly... the faucet didn't operate as intended. The off position for me was up and down, with the handle upside. After watching your video, you stressed the importance of the valve stem position prior to reinstalling the handle and associated hardware. I was able to troubleshoot and correct the issue. Thank again!!!
My pleasure happy to hear the video was helpful!
At 3:12 BJ shows you what size allen wrench you'll need for the job. I have a 14 key allen wrench tool that has never failed me, so when I watched other videos without this information I thought the allen nut on the handle was rusted/worn or calcium deposited into non-working condition. Images of major demolition played in my head. But BJ's coverage of this made me realize that I didn't have the right size allen wrench, so a quick trip to the hardware solve the problem. Thank you!
My pleasure Grant happy to help! Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
great video, i need to work on mine soon, this video had some info that others didnt have, much appreciated
My pleasure happy to help!
great video. Thank you.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, Hector!
Good explanation. You might have mentioned what to do if the cartridge is stuck. I just changed a stuck positemp and it was a bear.
Yeah, you’re right Richard, I should’ve!
If the cartridge is seized, soak it with WD-40 or a rust penetrating lubricant. Then, with your Moen cartridge puller, slowly turn it right and left, little by little until it frees up, and then pull it out.
Mine was stuck in the rough valve. I used the extractor tool but it ended up breaking the cartridge. I called two plumbers and they never responded so I ended up chipping it out with a hammer and a 1/4” chisel. I was as careful as I could be to not gouge the brass and fortunately I did not. Once I got past the two rubber side pieces of the 1222 I was able to pull the remaining part out with a needle nose pliers. Cleaned it up with a toothbrush and some CLR then flushed it out really good with water. The first 1222 that I reinstalled was faulty - maybe my fault, not sure - I did twist it slightly in both directions as I was installing it - maybe that ruined the O ring. The second one I installed I did not twist at all - just pushed it in pulses and it slowly went in. I used the extractor tool to help push it in the last 3/8” or so. No leaks. Works nice and smooth now. And don’t hesitate to call Moen for a free replacement - they’ll ask you some basic questions and want a photo and they’ll send you one for free 5-7 business day shipping though (unless you pay extra). So glad I didn’t pay $350 for a plumber - chipping it out was relatively easy - only took 10 mins or so.
Great Video
Thank you!
Thank you!!!
Thanks brother
Anytime! 🤝
Saved me great video
I got you Warren!! Thank you for liking the video!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate this video. I ruined my first cartridge and after I watched this video I was able to save so much money…
My pleasure! Yeah, we don’t want you ruining cartridges. Those things are 50 bucks apiece so it can add up quick. Have a great weekend, my friend!
Nice job dude see u in xsport gym
🤣 What’s up bro, hope all is well! Thank you for liking the video! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Thank u…
🫡 Happy to help!
you really know your way around the lube
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This video was a life saver. Thank you. I did have one small problem, though. Everything is working fine, but my handle is much looser now. Any idea why that would be? Did I miss something?
Thank you happy to hear the video was helpful Rick!
When you say the handle is looser now do you mean as far as turning it back and forth, or the actual handle itself?
If it’s the handle itself, it’s usually the handle mounting bracket is loose, or the set screw in the handle to the mounting bracket is not tightened all the way.
Agreed, best video out there 👌...any ideas on having moen refund the cost for a $55 value that is lifetime warranty??
Thank you! Unfortunately you have to have your original receipt of installation which naturally nobody has. So the other thing you could do is buy a new cartridge and take the old one and return it and try getting your money back that way. I know it’s kind of a ghetto way to do things, but that might work.
I called Moen and they sent me a 1222 cartridge to replace free of cost.
@@rajanbhambhani421
Yes, thank you for sharing Raj!
Moen has a life time warranty on the cartridge.
Thanks for the video. I had some issues after replacing the cartridge. When I turned the main water back on after replacing, the water was flowing freely from the shower head. Is this a sign that the cartridge itself is defective, or something wrong happened with the installation? Or is it possible that I installed it upside down, and that is causing the water to flow that much?
I removed the cartridge and cleaned out the pipe to make sure there was nothing left. When I was taking out the old one, it broke off so I have to break it into many pieces to get it to come out. Some water was trickling out, so I think the debris is all gone. I noticed that the O-ring edges are flat on one side, so it looks like I have have sheared off a bit of the ridge on the o-ring. Not sure if that would cause that much water to come out when the handle is in the off position though.
Anyway, I reinstalled the cartridge and then shut off the water to one of the pipes by the shower so the water is off for now. My plan is to buy a new cartridge and reinstall closely with your steps. Do you have any idea why the water still flows when its in the off position?
Hi Alan- It’s possible when you installed the cartridge and put everything back together it’s upside down and in the on position.
What you should do is take the handle off so you have just the stem of the cartridge sticking out. Take a pair of pliers and turn it to where are you finally have the off position, then turn it counterclockwise and the water should go from cold, warmer, to hot we’re full hot is at the 9 o’clock position.
Then, turn it back clockwise to the off position and then reinstall the handle and all the parts.
If you’ve already done that and there’s no stopping the water at any point of the turning the stem of the cartridge then I’m guessing it’s a defective cartridge and you need a new one.
Thanks. Is the escutcheon tube extension needed? Can this install work without one?
Yeah, it will work without one, however you may get some water leaking back behind the wall from the space between the shower valve and trim plate.
Great video but I have a problem. I replaced the valve about 8 months ago. The tub faucet dripped just slightly so I bought a new 1222 cartridge. It appeared to stop the dripping until recently again. So I replaced it again. This time it doesn’t drip continually as one drop every second but about every minute it releases a little trickle 😩. Any advise? Bad valve?
Hi Dan! Is it leaking out of the spout and dripping into the bathtub or leaking between the cartridge and the valve? If you want to shoot me a text my number is 773-403-3298.
Great video! I managed to switch it by following your tips, thank you! One problem, when I divert the water flow to the shower head, the valve pushes it self out, causing water to spray everywhere. Anyone have any ideas what I did wrong?
Thank you happy to hear you like the video!
It sounds like you may have forgot to put either the O-rings on the cartridge, or the U- clip that holds the cartridge into the shower valve.
The handle on my shower is now loose. Did I not tighten something correctly when I installed everything back together?
Hi Brad- Yeah, it sounds like either the screw that holds the mounting bracket to the cartridge, or the set screw in the handle that secures the handle to the mounting bracket.
Great video, just replaced the cartridge but not getting hot water. We are getting hot water out of the sink and bathtub but not the shower, and if I have the sink or tub turned on then we get hot water in the shower! The maximum temp is set to the 12 o clock position as well. We have a tankless water heater any help is appreciated!
I’m confused are the shower and bathtub valves two different valves where one operates just the shower and the other one operates just the bathtub, or is there one shower valve for both the bathtub and showerhead?
If you want to send me a video of what you’re experiencing you can text it over to me at 773-403-3298 because I’m not understanding what you’re experiencing and what the set up is in your bathroom.
@@BJPoznecki what do i do if ive done alll these steps and the water is still either ice cold or off no matter what position its in?
@@Fewmetal It’s hard to say exactly what it is so the only thing I can suggest is to start over and get a new cartridge from the store because maybe there’s a manufacture, defect or debris caught up in it so I would exchange the cartridge for a new one.
When you have the cartridge out, make sure you really flush out the lines really good let the water run for 30 seconds so this way it blows out any debris that could be in the line and then put the cartridge back in and put everything back together.
Can you do all this with the handle down and thus without turning off the main water ?
GT-C No, you have to turn off the water.
My friend had a new shower installed and they installed a Moen posi-temp and now she has no water pressure in her shower how does she increase the water pressure
If it’s a new shower and there’s no water pressure, more than likely when they turned the water off and turned it back on it pushed all the sediment that was in the pipes, into the cartridge. You’ll need to have the plumber come back out and either clean or replace the cartridge. That should fix the issue.
Is there a difference between the Moen 1222 and the 1222B, thanks waiting on your reply
No difference. You can use either one!
@@BJPoznecki Thank you so much
@@shirnettbrown8365 My pleasure!!
Do you have a video on the pull turn cartridge?
Hi Neal, I don’t, but the steps in this video are almost identical. The only thing you need to buy in addition to the new cartridge when you’re at the store is a Moen cartridge puller. It’s best to buy this tool, because sometimes the pull and turn style cartridge can be difficult to remove without it because the cartridge and the valve are both metal and bond together. When you attach the puller you want to line up the notches on the puller with the notches on the cartridge, and turn the puller clockwise and counterclockwise to loosen up the cartridge in the valve body and then pull it towards you to remove it.
Other than that, the steps in this video are going to be very similar to replace that style cartridge.
@@BJPoznecki hey thanks A lot. I’ve change one before. I have the tool. But I’m not sure if it works on this one which is the pull turn. Lol. I have to search for my tool to see if it’s different from the one your talking about. Really appreciate you responding so I’ll definitely subscribe. 😁
@@SonnyIncMusic My pleasure! This is the puller that I recommend if you can’t find yours and have to buy another one.
Danco 60885 Cartridge Puller, Chrome a.co/d/hAqEEvu
even after putting the top plastic part at 3 o'clock position I am still getting a little warm water from cold setting. Not sure is the valve or plumbing problem.
It could be a couple things. One it could be the stem is not in the right position you’ll have to actually take everything off and keep spinning it where at the 6 o’clock position the water is off and then as you go counterclockwise it goes from cold to warmer.
It’s possible the cartridge could be in reversed and you need to pull it out and rotate it 180° and put it back in.
Last, it could potentially be a defective cartridge and you need to get a new one.
@@BJPoznecki Thank you for your reply. This problem started few weeks ago. Before that everything was fine.
@@tty3146 my pleasure! If this just started happening. Than either there is debris in the cartridge and it needs to be cleaned and the shower valve flushed out. Or, there’s an issue with the cartridge and it needs to be replaced.
What should i do if water comes out of the cartridge when i turn it on?
You may have bought a defective cartridge and have to buy another one, or it’s possible that your shower valve body could be warped, not making a good seal around the cartridge, and need to be replaced.
Moen shower valve install
If you can't pull the cartridge out like he shows then get the fricken puller.. Especially if the valve is more than 4 years old. Mineral deposits can build up inside and make pulling out the cartridge with pliers/vice grips a PITA.
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Mine won't come out, do t know where to squeeze with the pliers.
Mine has never worked since the dude installed it. Just leaked through the ceiling once and now plugged .
No idea what the f is going on.
Anyway I pulled the pin out , put the pliers on the shaft with a soft rag . Can't tell what's on or off but it won't come out. I'm super frustrated
2150 D. The brass shaft spins around and never stops too. Not sure if that's cool
Sorry to hear at this point I would just play it safe and call a plumber.
How many times did BJ say caulk?
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Replaced the cartridge but the faucet is still leaking a little bit. Took out the new cartridge and made sure it was installed properly. Still slightly leaky. Could it be the faucet itself?
Where is it still leaking out of?
The tub spout, if it’s only a shower the showerhead, or between the cartridge and the shower valve body?
@@BJPoznecki slight leak from the faucet itself only. Going to replace that tomorrow and hopefully that fixes it 🤞
@@lifetimeaesthetics Yeah that’s why I’m asking because if it’s leaking from the valve body itself, the connections, or from in between the valve and the cartridge, it could be the valve is warped and needs to be replaced.
I hope the project goes smoothly!
Hey brother!! So just wanted to tell you my solution!! When I replaced the cartridge the one I used was the cheaper knock off version from Home Depot (37$). I went back and swapped it for the OEM part (54$) and the leak stopped. Thanks again
@@lifetimeaesthetics That’s interesting usually those aftermarket knock off parts work just as good 🤷🏻♂️
Either way happy to hear you didn’t have to change out the whole shower valve in the problem is fixed!
i replaced my bathtub faucet (moen 1222), but it still continues to leak :(
@@hershp I would start over try it again this time when you have the cartridge out turn the water on and really flush out the valve really good because if there’s any debris in there that could potentially cause a leak. If you put it back together and it still leaks after doing that, it’s possible that either the cartridge even though it’s new has a manufacture defect. You may need to get another one or the shower valve warped and need to be replaced.
@@BJPoznecki thank you! replacing the new cartridge with another new one did the trick!!! phew! appreciate it sir!
@@hershp Oh nice! I’m happy to hear that. Changing out the shower valve is a pain in the butt, so I’m happy to hear it was just the cartridge!
BJ, thank you for this video it save me the double work. It just happened that ours was in the same configuration as in this video. If I followed the Moen video, I would definitely installed the Cartridge incorrectly.
Thank you for the compliment, I’m happy to hear you liked the video, and it was helpful!
Is that gray piece supposed to just slide off?
If you’re referring to the escutcheon tube, which is the gray/chrome piece that slides over the valve, yes.
@@BJPoznecki I was referring to a different piece, put I was finally able to get it off. Thank you for responding.
@@jazzminejanae6090 Good to hear!
I hope the rest of the project goes well!
My father broke it I fix it my wife happy lol
🤣 happy wife happy life!!
Who uses a hammer as pliers?? Never knew!! Lol
So at about 4:10 you skip the part where you're removing the metal adapter - the same piece you're calling a handle mounting piece at 14:38 - Mine is completely caked on with calcium and no matter how much CLR or W2-40 sprayed onto it, I just can't pull it. I wanted to see how you would pull and remove it but it must have just come out ok for you, huh? It seems so easy to DIY but since I don't want to break it, I am having to call a plumber for this job.
Yeah, it’s a simple job, however if you’re struggling to get that piece off, I would just play it safe and bring in a plumber.