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How to Remove a Stuck Moen Shower Cartridge 1200 /1225 /1222
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2019
- So you have a stuck moen cartridge? In this video we show you How to Remove a Stuck Moen 1200/2500 Shower Cartridge. A stuck shower cartridge is a real bummer. No more stuck cartridge in faucet syndrome for you after this! Once in a while you get a stuck moen shower cartridge that just won't budge, and this one broke 2 Moen cartridge removal tools, until we went old school on it with a tap and die kit to complete this moen 1200 shower cartridge replacement. This should work on a stuck moen 1225 cartridge, and many other brands as well, like a Delta shower cartridge or a Kohler shower cartridge.
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Stuck moen faucet cartridge removal procedure:
By now you have tried in vain to use the Moen shower cartridge removal tool and you have broken the inside of the Moen cartridge leaving the shell of the shower cartridge still lodged inside the shower valve housing. As you begin your Moen shower cartridge replacement
you will need a tap and tie kit with a 1/2" tap to dig the 1/2" threads into the core of the old
Moen shower valve cartridge.
Beware that for this moen 1200 shower cartridge replacement project, not all tap and die kits go up to a 1/2" sized width, so make sure you get a kit with one or you'll never get the bolt to thread inside the stuck cartridge in moen faucet. If you have a Delta shower cartridge, this trick might also work to loosen that stuck cartridge in delta faucet housing. Once you have threaded the center core of the stuck moen 1222 cartridge, then you screw the 1/2" bolt into the core, making sure to use those giant washers those play a vital role in pushing against the front face of the shower valve opening to remove stuck cartridges.
How to remove stuck shower faucet cartridge:
Now that the bolt has threaded into the moen shower cartridge, use your wrench to turn clockwise tot he right, and soon your stuck moen 1225 cartridge will be a stuck cartridge no more. As you continue to turn the bolt with the wrench, it will draw the stuck Moen cartridge toward the front of the valve opening. Then you should be able to pull the stuck shower cartridge the rest of the way out with pliers. Kiss that stuck moen shower cartridge goodbye!
How to remove a stuck moen 1225 cartridge
Now you know how to remove stuck shower faucet cartridge. Enjoy your moen 1200 cartridge removal and your moen 1200 shower cartridge replacement.
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Your video saved me hundreds of dollars. I was unable to pull the cartridge myself so I reluctantly called a plumber who charged me $200 just to pull it out. Despite having a Moen puller tool, he broke the cartridge and the metal casing was stuck in the pipe. His recommended solution was to cut a hole in the drywall and replace all the pipes for $950. To add insult to injury we had to leave the water off to the rest of the house while the cartridge was out.
I picked up a 1/2" tap and eye bolt at Home Depot for under $15 and was able to follow your solution and do it myself. Thanks for being a life saver!
Well, that certainly is a would-be horror story. I tell you, one trade I do not regret taking in high school is Plumbing. If I could choose only one to know - that would be it.
OMG! The guys at Ace Hardware just shook their heads at me when I asked how to do this. Of course, I'm a lady so they didn't take me seriously. They just encouraged me to call a plumber Thanks a million times for helping me prove that I can do what I can learn!
So cool!
You should shoot them
Same! I'm a single mom and figured I'd try changing out the cartridge myself. Everything went great until a piece broke off. THANK YOU soooo much for making making this video! I was panicing bt after following your advice i was able to get that broken piece out! It worked like a charm! Thank you again!!
You go Girls! Lots of things to learn that can save the homeowner money and often do a better job than a stranger.
If they were plumbers, they would quit their job at Ace hardware and make 10 times as much.
Jeff - you are a generous and brilliant man to release this secret on removing a stuck Moen cartridge. My neighbor paid a professional plumber over $300 to replace a shower cartridge. He broke the cartridge, messed around trying to remove it and finally just cut the valve out and soldered caps on the copper water lines leaving my neighbor with a huge and expensive mess to take care of. The plumber told my neighbor he would charge an additional $1500 to replace the valve he removed. My neighbor called me to replace the cartridge in the same type of valve. Of course, that cartridge broke also. Your method extracted it with ease. I was out $10 for the tap tool and a few bucks for a bolt, nuts and washers. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Your video saved my neighbor another $300 plus an additional $1500 the plumber would charge to put in a new valve. His cost - $3600. My cost - $10. I will stick with your brilliant method.
That sounds like a complete rip off most of these John jobs where they saw during a new vow for you should be $250 plus the cost of the valve which most people buy on their own because they're deciding which shower valve they want
What is that tool that he used to pull out the cartridge ?
I want to thank you for this video. I ran into a 1200 brass cartridge that 2 plumbers attempted to remove before quoting $1500 to replace the whole valve assembly, not including drywall, texture and paint. This is my sister in laws house. After removing the clip, I used a puller from Home Depot that basically pulled out the guts and left the brass cylinder in the valve assembly. I lubed it up pretty good with WD-40 Specialist, which also removed a lot of debris. Let it set for 15 min, then sprayed again and waited another 15. I then attempted to tap it with the 1/2" tap, but just could not get it to bite. I had purchased a Milwaukee Red Helix Titanium drill bit, put it in my Milwaukee Drill, and set speed to 1 and the clutch to 6. Being careful not to touch the valve body with the drill bit. Inserted it and about a 1/2 turn or so of the drill, it grabbed, but clutched. I increased the clutch to 10, a little nudge of the trigger and voila, the cartridge turned. Being sure not to let it spin and damage the housing, drilling a half turn at a time and lightly pulling, it came right out. Flushed it out by turning main on ever so slightly, and slid the new cartridge in. I am sure this 1200 cartridge was 20+ years old. I am sure this method will only work on the 1200 brass cartridge. $50 investment.
I just followed your instructions and removed my stuck cartridge. 1/2" tap, 1/2" bolt. Worked like a charm! Saved me a bundle of money!
Jeff - The comment I made below was prior to following your advise. Well, I followed your advise and my broken cartridge came out EXACTLY like your video! I used a piece of 1/2" of threaded rod for my "puller" with 3/4" washers. I placed a 1/2" washer on my puller first against the turning nut then piled on the 3/4" washers. I didn't have a Tap & Die Set so this DIY gave me a reason to get one. When I ran the tap in, I went as far in as I could so I would have enough meat for the threaded rod to hold to. As you know having worked with brass, SLOW is the BEST speed for this extaction. When I felt the puller loosen up, I tugged it and the cartridge came right out! It was so SIMPLE! I didn't use any "plumbers language" AT ALL. LOL!!! Of note, I had to moved the washers around keep them in alignment but overall was not a problem. If I were to do this more often, as you probably do, I would use a 3/4" steel bushing (the length of the washer stack) , a 1/2" washer, and 3/4" washer. Conclusion: I was quoted $375 by a plumbing company to do this repair, which I started but ran in this problem. The cost of the T&D kit was around $65. I had the piece of threaded rod so all I needed was a box of washers. So with around $75 into it, I saved myself $300 by doing it myself!!!!! Thanks again for sharing your technique. I is INVALUABLE! - John
Thank you SOOO much for this video! My husband got in this exact situation and this worked like a charm on our house from the 70s. He was so defeated until he tried this. Thank you again!
This was so incredibly helpful!! My husband and I are not handy in the slightest and we were able to follow this step by step to replace the cartridge. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
Jeff. Thank you so very very much for sharing this tip. My son and I were totally stumped on how to get the extremely stuck cartridge sleeve out of the pipe. I showed my Son and we followed your video exactly. It took us 10 minutes to pull out the cartridge sleeve that was stuck. It saved us alot of time and alot of money! Your experiences you shared boosts confidence in DIYers like me! I can't thank you enough. YOU'RE THE BEST!!!
This is on Moen’s web site!
Which method did you use?
I was despondent when I pulled out my cartridge when only the center came out. This video and $12 dollars at Lowes saved me. Thank you so much for such a great solution!
You are the man! I had 4 hardware store guys tell me I was SOL and would have to buy a whole new system and probably hire someone to install. For a $15 investment in a tap & die set, and about 15 minutes of my time and I’m all set. Thanks so much. This is the only video I could find that could solve my problem.
Awesome Derek, saved another one! Where did you buy the tap and die kit?
jeffostroff Northern Tool in WI
Guys at Ace Hardware looked at me with so much pity when I explained my plan (I went in to buy the 1/2" bolt). I want to go back and tell them it worked! 😂
This worked for me within 5 minutes. I asked a half dozen people at the HD and none of them had a solution. Thanks for posting.
You bet, glad to help out! Saved another one!
THANK YOU for making this video! The bolt trick saved my beloved mid-century faucet from being replaced completely! I used washers that had a 21mm opening to free the stuck cartridge and it worked a treat.
I help do maintenance on about 450 apartments. And had these MOEN cartridges and wound up having to call a plumber to replace the who li e valve body because neither I or the plumber could get it out. So thank You for an excellent idea.
William, you're welcome, that's why we made this video. it's amazing how the physical mechanical advantage of a wrench is stronger than what a mere mortal man can pull on with pliers!
Superb how-to, this video completely solved what was my exact problem this afternoon. The tangs on my cartridge got chewed up by the removal tool, and the internal shaft came out but left the outer husk stuck in tight. Using your exact procedure, I cut threads using a coarse 1/2 tap, and used a 6" 1/2" bolt with nuts and washers. I can't thank you enough, what a great service you've provided.
This is the one video that saved my a**!
Had visions of tearing out the wall to replace the entire valve. None of those puller things ever work. Because the valve I get has always been in there since the seventies.
If you're ever in Nebraska, I will buy you dinner! Thanks, Jeff!
Glad it helped
These Moen cartridges have been an enormous frustration for me over the years. I never thought of this method and am really glad to learn about it. Thanks for the great tip.
We have found over the years that shower cartridges either come out easy by simply pulling gently with pliers on the stem, or they don't budge at all even with the special tool. Luckily for me, 90% come out easy. Once every couple of years we get a real beast from hell like today's cartridge, and this one broke in 2, so we had to do twice the work! It is amazing the strength you can get using a wrench. That Tap and Die kit has paid for itself for me many times!
Jeff, I am so glad I found this video !! I tried for hours to remove a cartridge that was over 35 years old with tools specifically made to remove it including a torch.
It came out in one piece using your method !! It was at my 92 year old mothers house. I had to shut her water off for a day because it was leaking so bad.
Thanks Buddy !
You're welcome Chris, glad to hear you were successful!
@@jeffostroffmy moen says Dialcet does that have a cartridge. Looks kinda narrow. Don’t know model numberHouse built calif Bay Area built 1960s
This video literally saved the day. I had the replacement part, but the original was stuck good. Heat didn’t help, but this video was exactly what I needed.
Installation of the replacement complete, thanks to you! 🙌
Glad it helped
Good looking out man, great instructions and pointers. Two inexperienced gals with no money for a plumber took a leap of faith and got the job done! Major props ☺️
Right on way to go!
I can't tell you, I looked at so many videos, and your video was only one that worked properly, which saved me $200 or $300 dollars by not calling a plumber.
Oh my goodness. Wed just about given up on the MOEN 1225 (Brass) valve stuck in after pulling out the inards. Then I did one more Google search on a brass 1225 stuck etc. and your video popped up. Borrowed the 1/2 die from my neighbor, found a long 1/2 inch bolt and a bunch of washer and after serveral tries, it came loose saving up at least $1,000 in plumber fees to cut out the entire valve etc. Many thanks hope your 706K viewers was as lucky as we were.
Thank you for the video. You were spot on with the technique and sizes you mentioned. I was not able to extract the sleeve and ended up calling my plumber. He tried everything and after getting two pieces out after a couple hours of numerous techniques we went back to your technique. Only thing different was we put a piece of large pvc over the valve so the washer wedged against the pvc and it finally pulled it out. OMG, plumber said worst one he’s seen in 35 years! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
You saved me so much time and effort with this video! I was about to start cutting pipes and reframing for a new shower, but then I saw your video and thought this was a brilliant idea. Followed your advice and it worked first try, pulling out the whole cartridge! You saved me so much time, energy, and money... so please accept my huge Thank You! (liked and subscribed!)
You are welcome Eric!
Thank you so much for this video! Absolutely life saving! Our cartridge was probably 30 years old and seized to the valve, only the core came out. Used this method and the cartridge housing came free almost instantly.
Glad it helped!
Unselfish guys like you make guys like me look like geniuses. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you! A 1/2" tap and one or two wrenches are required. The following is a list of PARTS that are fitting together in order.
* 1 HEX NUT ZINC 1/2" X 5"
* 1 HEX NUT ZINC 1/2"
* 1 FLAT WASHER 1/2"
* 2 FLAT WASHER 3/4" (two pieces of same size of wood block in the between)
** (optional) 1 MOEN or DANCO PULLER as the socket sitting on top of the valve body
** 3/4" WASHER sitting on top of the valve body if no PULLER is available
Nice job!
If I would have seen this video before I successfully removed my 1225 Moen cartridge I probably would have never attempted to do this job myself. I used the moen puller and it didn’t fail me. You need to first use the little white plastic tool that comes with the moen cartridge. It grabs onto the two indentations of the entire outside shell that gets stuck inside the valve body. You insert the tool and wiggle it with a wrench back and forth until you feel it spin loosely. Don’t be afraid to spin it. Then you can successfully use the moen puller to get the whole assembly removed. I just removed another one that’s been in since the mid 80’s. You must spin it first before you attempt to pull it out!
The guy at Lowe’s freak out when I showed him this trick and and was trying to change my mind to not try this trick and I ignored him… we’ll never the less I’m glad I did this trick worked like a magic pill it out with no issues
Thank you sir. This is Edward in St Louis and you are 100% correct. That trick worked just as it did on your video. I will be back for more.
Thank you so much. I had tried everything and it just would not come out. Plumber wanted 1300 to replace the valve completely. I didnt even have to get a full set just that one 1/2 inch tap. Seriously, this video was a lifesaver and I wish you and your family all the best over the holidays.
Great idea. Thanks for sharing this. I did my sister's cartridge that was about 30 years old and it was over four hrs including two trips to depot. I ended up using my heat gun ( I'm an hvac tech by trade ) from the work truck and slowly heated the brass to make the rubber more plyable le so to speak. Eventually it wiggled out and replaced it. At work I use a waterproof grease for ease of installation and future removing ease. I picked up a puller ahead of time because our personal shower temp just started to be affected ( bleeds too much cold water or just not allowing enough hot to pass through the cartridge , at times even when only hot is turned on?) a bit.
Life saver!!!! Thank you SO much! Borrowed my neighbors tap n die set and bought a bolt, 3 washers and 2 nuts at the hardware store for less than $5. It was so easy!
Best $5 you ever spent! Thanks for watching Sonja, glad it helped.
jeffostroff Pretty sure I owe my neighbor a beer for coming in clutch with the tap n die set lol.
I used you method except I had to cut off the handle and thread it with a 7/16 20 thread die. I used a stack of washers and was able to remove the cartridge. I thank you for your advice and being a plumber is a very hard job.
Way to go John!
This was super helpful! I'd seen the tip with the bolt and washers elsewhere, but was having trouble picturing how it was all supposed to go together and work. Your video was the first really visually clear example I found, and now that ancient cartridge is finally free! This was my last attempt to get it out before taking more drastic measures.
Glad it helped!
Just completed the replacement of a shower valve from a 40 year old home. Used the exact same method, needed two wrenches. Thanks for the video.
Glad it helped way to go Jerrod!
This video just saved me $1000, thank you.
JEFF!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I did exactly as you said and used a tap and a 1/2 inch die to get out the broken end, you saved my life today! You Are The Man!
way to go Paul I'm glad to hear it worked out for you
My cartridge cracked in half after pipes froze. I was able to pull pieces out with needle nose pliers and a paint key hooked into one of the valve holes. Thanks for sharing this method!
This method worked for me today. Cartridge was likely original from early 80’s. Stem pulled out using Danco tool. Bought a tap and a bolt with some nuts and washers. I used the large nut from the Danco tool as the primary spacer to allow the valve core to easily come out. Thanks for the excellent video and tip.
Fantastic Richard!
I got through a really bad one with just the white plastic piece and a lot of twisting and brute force. But I only tackled it because of this video for backup which I was getting totally prepared to do. thanks!
Oh my, was this a lifesaver. I called a plumber (Sunday) and it was going to be $150 just to show up, then get a bid for the project. I had tried a couple other ideas and they did not work. As soon as I saw this video, I said to myself, this can work. And it did. I actually needed more than the wrench as shown after the old cartridge was flush. I used 2 big pipe wrenches to give me additional room to pull it out because it was tight all the way out. Thanks for this. What a clever idea.
Glad to help jim!
THANK YOU for this video, saved the day, had a call from an AirBnB that I was set to paint that they needed the shower valve changed out before the next renter was scheduled but did not have the time to cut Drywall and install a new valve. Figured on pulling the old one and installing new cartridge. However when used the Moen removal tool only the inner shaft came out! Now I was stuck with water shut off and the clock ticking....so I tried using your method albiet with a 12mmx1.75 tap and bolt....worked like charm.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! PS: i already had the metric tap set and didn't have the money to buy an SAE set so gave it a shot, 12mm works just as well.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Thanks so much for making this video!!! You saved my life!! I was in the same boat and did exactly what you showed and I was able to take out my busted cartridge from the base. I used the 1/2 threader and bought the bolt, washers, and nuts to get it to come out. Once the nuts were in far enough, I backed out the first one and turned the one next to washers and it pulled out the entire cartridge. Once again thank you!!!!
Awesome Ramiro, glad to help
So I did your trick, and it worked perfectly. It was also fun.
Saved me a trip back to Lowes as I had everything here to make it happen.
The valve works so much better now. Thank you.
Nice work!
You guys are smart and did wonderful work. I have modified your technique by using a propane torch flame to heat the cartridge pipe from outside and used a simple reversible tap to loosen the broken cartridge. One caution though take all precautions to not let flame burn any thing behind the wall e.g fillers insulation’s etc etc that may catch fire. Use heat for about one to minute and direct the flame outwards to the side of the faucet. Keep a bucket full of water Incase you want to put out fire or keep and fire safety cylinder to quit fire. One more thing the newer cartridges are about 2 mm longer and it is hard to put it in slot for the retainer clip. I had to use sand the farther end (end away from viewer ) to flush and make it shorter by 2 mm to fit in the older copper based cartridge faucet. You saved me lot today.
Awesome Aamir, way to go!
Mine was still stuck after moving a small amount. I used some larger washers and a couple of large sockets as a slide hammer to knock it the rest of the way out. I was real careful to keep a hand on the pipes in the wall so I wouldn't jar any loose. No leaks. Works great. Thanks!
Wanted to say a big, big and big thank you. It worked great. It struggled all the way out but it came out eventually. Had use some more elbow grease, but finally it popped out with a little time to spare. Thank you very much once again.
I used your wonderful trick and it worked perfectly, I have 18 of these valves in my 40 year old apartment building. thanks so much !!!
Glad it helped you'll be doing the last few of them in your sleep!
Interesting to see how others get them out. I use a 1/2” reverse thread easy out. No extra tools or jig needed. Either way same result, at the end of the day the customer is happy!
I usually use a 3/8" npt tap and tighten it into the cartridge housing until the housing spins. Then I remove the tap and tighten a 3/8" nipple into the cartridge housing and into the branch of a 3/8" tee fitting and 2 more nipples into the run of each side of the tee fitting. Virtually, I'm making a T handle to remove the old cartridge. Then I'll start spinning the T handle in a clockwise motion while pulling the old cartridge back. Works every single time that I do this. (27 years as a licensed union plumber)
great idea John!
Great video, makes total sense. Try this first Jeff, it's fast and easy when it works...(about 75% of the time for me.)
Turn off everything in the house, go out and turn the water off to the house and release the pressure, turn it back on to a slow stream out the hose bib, close the hose bib to re-pressurize the house. Kinda hold the cartridge in as you remove what ever retainer is holding it in...usually it's stuck or you wouldn't be doing all this, find a way to gently twist the cartridge left and right without mangling it..be patient as the water pressure behind it will work it's way in and eventually start pushing the cartridge out....yeah, it basically blows out but the water will quickly reside to the stream you set it at. Comes out clean and nothing buggered up. Let me know ok?
Thank You ! I just needed to see someone else do this to confirm before I started drilling. I used a 1/4-20 bolt/nuts and an 11/16 socket for the "cup" to draw the cartridge into, worked perfect, was about to cut out the wall to replace the whole thing. THIS SAVED ME!
Thank you so much for the step by step instructions. I moved into a house built in the 70s that never had the brass shower cartridge replaced. I couldn't turn on the shower without it running still when I tried to turn it off. I finally tried to replace the cartridge myself and I only could pull out the core. I was at my witts end trying to figure out how to get the rest out. Thanks to your video I was able to buy the tools and remove it myself. $17 for the tools and it pulled out pretty easily. Thank you!!!!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! Kristen
I viewed and used this method to remove a stuck cartridge. Spent the $15 to buy the puller and just pulled the core out. Had to use the tap and die set. Mine gave me grief all the way out. I used a bolt with many washers to act as a puller. Important to CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN all the brass shavings from the cut threads. I briefly opened the water on both sides, just to purge out the shavings. Also remove the shower head to purge all the black water out of the system. (Old black rubber seals) Otherwise will load up and plug your shower head. I used 1/2" tap with 13 pitch (Coarse Thread) Good luck!
Awesome glad to help another one!
One last tip I added to this- spray WD in valve body once the core is spinning; once uve got ur easy out inside put a drill on the end for 45-120sec to smoke out the o rings 5.0 style (mustang owner)
I tapped it w easy out, would spin not pull out- if u seriously have nothing left to loose, WD 40 everything good then smoke out the o rings, it was beautiful came right out! Was a bad situation, tons of expensive tile, toilet and tile wall on other side!!!! Coulda been $$$$ quick! This vid is a good start, use the drill to smoke the o rings if it’ll spin but not pull forward and out.
Great vid!
Thanks sometimes we keep a can of PB Blaster around because it is penetrating.
Man, you’re a lifesaver! Thought I was in for a world of hurt when this thing was sitting in there laughing at me.
Had a 1/2” allthread puller setup ready to go but the sleeve ended up twisting right out when the tap got a good bite.
Better to be lucky than good!
Awesome, now you had the last laugh!
Great tip - thanks!!! This worked for me, in a slightly different way...in my case the center shaft of the old cartridge broke and half of it remained in the cartridge. I drilled into the remaining shaft, starting and cetering carefully with a 1/16th drill bit (slowly moved up 3/16ths), then threaded the hole with a long screw I already had (tip - before you thread check what screws you have kicking around, 3" worked for me). Next I inserted the long screw, used a 22mm socket (sockets worked great - sitting properly on the valve body) and slowly pulled the cartridge out. THANKS - GREAT TIP!!!
Brilliant. Thx!! Worked like a charm, after removing a 20 yr old outer cartridge. I guess that's why I'm an artist and not a plumber.
I've never used a tap set before and this totally worked. Instead of the puller bolt is used a 3/8 x 1.5" wooden dowel in the hole then ran the tap in again. The tap pressed the dowel against the back of the housing and pushed the cartridge shell right out.
Thank you for this tip!
Way to go Caleb!
Well I used two different methods I used to screw into the end of the cartridge first which pulled the inner part out. Then I used your method to tap and put a piece of half inch stock in there actually used a 5-in half 13-bolt. Was very successful at removing the cartridge casing. It was harder to clean everything out than it was to remove the cartridge with the right setup. Thanks for your video
Glad to help Bob!
Thank you so much for this video! I never would have thought to use a tap and bolt. I was able to complete the job in just a couple hours and didn't have dig into the wall! You are AWESOME!
Yes! Saved another one! Always glad to hear we helped out many people with this video!
Nice trick,
My plumber told me I have to tear the wall to replace it!!!! your trick worked.
Thank you
Oh, and thanks for the comment about leaving the new cartridge open when you install it so as to not have compressed air. I didn't read that until after I had a very difficult time getting the new cartridge in, probably because of compressed air.
Yes these are tricky
Thanks for this video - 1/2 inch tap was just right - used 1/2 inch bolt, nuts, and washer just like in video and it worked perfectly, didn't even take long
Glad it helped nice job PJ!
THANK YOU! I was getting ready to just replace the whole socket and pipes. Just happened to have a 1/2-13 tap set from another project and had the old cartridge out in no time!
Way to go!
Thank you. You’re the best as your video helped me remove the stick outer shell that broke after the core came off.
Glad it worked for you M Y!!
Thank you very much for this video. I had the exact problem that you detailed, I used your method and it completely worked out. The cartridge did break off in the pipe, and I used a tap along with a bolt, nuts, and washers to lever it out. Worked wonderfully. Thankfully my cartridge didn’t break in two as I was pulling it out with this method (like your’s did).
One issue I did have is that now the hot water is on the wrong side. Not exactly sure how to fix that, but I’m very glad to have fixed the bad faucet.
Usually you rotate the cartridge and this will fix it. Check install manual on new cartridge they usually talk about it
@@jeffostroff actually, I figured it out. You don’t have to rotate the whole cartridge. You also don’t have to turn off the water supply. All I did was take off the knob and rotate the stem 180° without taking it out the retaining pin or anything else. Worked wonderfully. Took less than five minutes.
WOW! You got me on the right track! This is EXACTLY what I am dealing with right now. Thank you for your video post! Now I can refrain from all the "Plummers Language" I was using on this SOB of what appeared to be a simple DIY fix! 🙂
I was a maintenance tech at a motel...we had 63 rooms, all with those hideous Moen valves. I replaced many of these. I had a system that worked for me, if you manage to not pull all the inner parts out. I used vice grips, a claw hammer for a lever, and a block behind the hammer so I didn't damage the shower stall. with some gentle twisting and wiggling and prying, I could always coax those bad boys out with a minimum of trouble.
This is amazing. This happened to me with my shower at work, and I was able to repair it myself instead of having to hire a plumber.
good job Bill!
everyone I ever replaced was stuck. The removal tool is a must
And silicone grease when installing the new one, put it on all O-Rings
You have the expertise and th patience. If it were me, I would cut out part of the tiles until I can access to the entire valve, saw off the tubing heat any excess solder and you know the rest. I didn't know about those Moen removal tool. Thanks and sa for me double likes.
Thank you!! I wasn't able to get mine to budge, but with a socket, a wrench, and a bolt that goes into the end of the existing thread I was able to get it out.
Just pulled out the original from the 70's. Thanks for your help!
Awesome, glad it worked for you!
When I have had a stuck cartridge in the past. I just turned on the water and water pressure forced it out. I was surprised how well that worked. just make sure you have something to catch the cartridge. plastic laundry basket etc. as it does come out with a a fair amount of force.
I have a moen puller that works real well but the cartridge you had looked pretty bad. I don’t know if the moen puller would touch that. I like the way you fabricated a puller for that. Way to go Jeff.
Thanks! My friend broke 2 Moen tools before calling today to come help with this.
Thank for this tip! I just did this and it worked great. 1/2" x 13 tap (tapered) and a long bolt with a socket wide enough to accept the cylinder. Thanks you!!! Worked great and had this job done in about 20 mins.
Nice work Ross
Would like to buy you a beer, my friend. Today is NYD and it would have cost a small fortune for a plumber. This technique worked beautifully for me. Thank you.❤
Glad to hear it worked out for you Patrick!
Thank you! Had the exact situation you described and thought I was pretty stuck. Your solution worked perfectly, and our shower is back up and running.
Awesome Chris, glad to help out!
Been a service plumber for years and have used my tap for years put l” steel dowel in first then thread tap in it will push against down and steel cartridge will push out like your way too
I replaced a cartridge in my Wisconsin home that gets water from Lake Michigan, the cartridge was at least 20 years old. When I removed the clip that hold the cartridge in, the cartridge blew right out, since I forgot to shut the water off. I have another home in Naples, Fl. That water is very corrosive. I replaced the first cartridge when I purchased the home and then I replaced that cartridge about five years later. Most were stuck and it took me several hours to remove them. Really a pain.
Awesome tip, thank you. Worked like a charm for me. Bought a 4 inch long 1/2 in carriage bolt so I had lots of thread to work with, two nuts so I could tighten them against each other and screw it in, and then the pulling method as shown.
Awesome glad to hear it worked out so easily for you
1 of the few channels where you get a response back from the people posting the video's. way to go Jeff!!!
Glad to help Tom!
After pulling for 4 hours, we finally tried a silicone lubricant and it came right out The rubber disintegration causes it to get stuck. Best thing to do going forward, replace cartridge every 5-10 years. My 1 hour job took a full day!
When you insert a new cartridge it's so important to add that silicone grease to all of the black O rings which will also keep it from getting stuck in there
Saved my butt on the die size and I was able to get the plastic out. Thank you!
Way to go Gavin!
Great advice and totally worked! I had the broken brass back piece stuck inside the faucet handle.... got a tap and die set and fed in a 1/2" #13 carefully with a socket wrench. I got lucky and the entire cylinder started turning after it ground in a bit, and I was able to gradually twist pull it out by hand. I had picked up some #13 galvanized bolts washers and nuts but didn't end up needing them.... no problem at all.
One thing though, the Mohen cylinder has to sit in the right position for the brass clip to go back in.... I did not, and ended up breaking it trying to push it in :( Will have to see if I can pick another one up somewhere.
A good way to find the right o'clock position is actually push the new valve cylinder in all the way, then turn the house water back on. It will hold in there fine.
Pull the brass square all the way out, then twist the whole cylinder until the water comes out full force, and turns off when you push the brass square in. Thats the right spot. THEN push the clip on. Hindsight is 20/20!
Glad the video helped you!
Thank you so much. Same for me When I tried to use the plastic tool they broke 2 of them. Then I bought the metal tool and the flanges on the cartridge broke. You gave me a way out.
way to go Leo!
Home depot gave me moen cartridge 1222 free as a complimentary service from Moen. The plastic little tool came with the cartridge did the job well to remove the stuck cartridge. Thanks
Awesome! Sometimes, but rarely you get lucky, but it's usually the Moen's that get stuck, because people forget to put silicone grease on the outside before inserting the cartridge into the wall.
@@jeffostroff well I forgot it too :)
This really saved our bacon. Thank you for this video. Worked like a charm
You're welcome!
Thank you so much for this video. This is exactly what happened to me. This video just saved me about $200 for a plumber.
You're welcome!
I just replaced one yesterday. The metal part ended up coming out, but the plastic casing stayed in. I ended up gently tapping a screwdriver to break off pieces of plastic one by one. It took HOURS, but I finally got it all out. Every home improvement I do ends up going sideways on me lol
I hate those types of jobs!
Wonderful lesson. It helped me tremendously and that is a trick I will not soon forget. Thank You.
Excellent video Jeff! Saved me from calling a plumber. Great details & explaination. Thanks!
Great to hear! We just used this trick at a widow friend's house last night
The depth of your videos amazes me Jeff😎😍😎😍😎
I try to be everywhere in the bathroom
had the same problem if not worse - your tap and puller tip worked aces !! thanks again!
I had the same situation shown in this video, a Moen 1200 stuck and in the middle of this pandemic, calling a plumber was not an option. I ordered online a die and tap set and perform the job step by step like in the video. Thanks God, it worked out perfectly. Thanks and keep these type of videos coming. I subscribed so I can be ready when the next challenge comes.
Awesome Luis, glad the video worked for you
Thank you for this video. My house was built in the 80's. My hallway bath started leaking from the spout. I have an old cartridge that has broken off inside the casing (if that is what it is called). My son's friend who tried to help me with it says it is rusted in there and I need to call a plumber to get it out. That will cost a lot so I will try your recommendation to get the rest of the casing out. Thank you so much. So many videos make it look easy to change cartilages but don't show the problems that you my have with the ones that break and stick in the back of where the cartridge starts and sticks. Thank you so much for your video!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Saved me money and more wasted time! Was ready to start ripping plumbing out of the wall and do a full renovation just to replace a cartridge. The valve stem snapped off inside the cartridge (luckily in the 97% closed position), so after shutting the water down, drilling a screw into the plastic tabs and snapping off all the plastic trying to pull on what I could get to, I decided to tap the stem directly and insert a screw to pry on. Thought I was successful but the result was the only inner cartridge pulled out but the plastic casing remained lodged in the valve body. Again, proceeded to yank off all of the remaining plastic that could be yanked on and was reaching the end. Found this video in desperation, was not exactly the same as my scenario, but luckily I had a 3/4” diameter bolt lying around and was able to get a few threads seated in the cartridge plastic casing. Couple turns of the nut and it was loose cleanly. Thank you for your ingenuity and experience in my time of panic and desperation.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!