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Moen 1222 Shower Cartridge Replacement
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- čas přidán 28. 02. 2021
- Apartment Maintenance Technician shows you how to remove and install a Moen 1222 posi-temp shower cartridge.
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As soon as I saw the limited access to that retaining clip, I'd be racing for my Rotozip with a ceramic bit to open that hole a tad bit more, rather than risk losing that clip. Good thing you had a spare clip!
I was waiting for the clip to drop, you didn't disappoint.
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I was watching, and saying boy he's brave with that clip reinstall. Hope he don't.... Yup, he dropped it like I would. Lol
I liked the sound effect, wah, waaaah - I saw it coming :-)
Pro tip - Do not push on the brass stem. Push it in using the tool or by pushing on the plastic tabs. Otherwise, you will push the stem out of the housing and have a leaky faucet.
Thanks for the tip !
I like the way you demonstrated the open and closed position of the cartridge stem.
I highly recommend The Ona Puller works 100% of the time. I do apartment maintenance as well. The Posi Temps I pull are over 20 years old and that Danco Puller doesn't cut it on old cartridges. Good video.
Thank you. Will be looking into that!
Thank you for posting this video. I watched the first part and it helped me get my 1222 replaced easily. I just came back and watched the rest, including you dropping the retaining pin down the wall. I was deathly afraid of this since it was a tight space like yours, so I tied a couple of feet of fishing line through the top hole on the pin, and tied the other end around my wrist. I see Brandonbuilt has a different way to solve this problem, too.
😮😂🤣
Thats a good idea!
Yup, I tied a piece of string to mine and man I'm glad I did! lol
Just a little tip. Next time, stuff a rag under the valve body to prevent the lock from falling into the abyss.
Thanks Brandon, good tip :)
😄😂🤣
Just replaced my 10 year old 1222 cartridge because the handle stopped turning. Removal was extraordinarily difficult even with the removal tool. Could get the cartridge to turn about 1/4” right and left and that’s it. Eventually using a ton of force got it out in one piece. …. Spent a good hour cleaning mineral buildup out the inside of the brass pipe and hot water inlet opening…. Reinsertion was just as difficult. Everything was well lubed, but only would go in about 1/2 way. Had to get my son to hold a wood board via access panel against the back of the large brass 4 way fitting while I pushed with probably 100lbs of force using the tool. Then it still wouldn’t go in the last 1/4”. Finally got it in all the way by putting a piece of wood on top of the tool and hitting it a few times with a rubber mallet. It works great and anticipate it lasting another 10 years, but I dread the day it needs to come out again because that thing is jammed in there good….
Seems like a really bad design for what is otherwise a decent idea with these cartridges..??
Also the retention clip seems like a bad joke and completely unnecessary…there is no way that cartridge is coming out without brute force
Thank you!! Helped me a ton! I did almost die laughing when you dropped the clip though. So happy that you didn't edit that out, this is something I surely would have done had I not seen you do it... Now I'll be prepared haha! Kit arrives tomorrow to fix the cartridge. Wish me luck!
Thanks Josh good luck on the fix tomorrow 🛠️
10 years of calcium build up around the cartridge essentially welded it in.
Old cartridge broke and I had to drill/chisel it out. That plus cleaning all of the calcium took and extra hour or so.
I thought breaking the old one out might compromise the inside of the brass but Ive had it back together for a couple hours and it's still drip free.
It might be very beneficial to pull the new cartridge out every year or so to clean and re-grease it.
This might prevent it from seizing up again. It'd only take 5 minutes.
Clutchest bro ever thanks dog!!!
I just removed a 1222 cartridge. First time for me. It was really stuck. I'm not sure if an after market cartridge was used by the plumber.
I tried slip joint pliers:
Twisted it from side to side using long nose pliers.
Vinegar and WD40
It partially came out then stopped.
I went and bought an off brand puller. I thought this is going to be easy now. Nope.
It wouldn't pull out.
It finally snapped. Lucky it was partially out.
I broke the plastic with a flat head screwdriver and pulled pieces out with long nose pliers.
Some rubber from the cartridge was really sticking. This portion of the removal was quite easy. I made sure all the plastic was out.
Now I've got a puller tool that I'll probably never use again.
Ya I’ve had to drill these out before, can be a pain, I now have a puller for a variety of these moen cartridges
I always tie a piece of thread through the top of the clip taping the other end to the shower wall. If you drip it like you did... you simply pull it back up!
Good point too on it does matter the position of the shower handle! If its flipped over you get water on at both sides- both hot and you have to "feel" for the stop instead of it hitting the escutcheon
Thanks for watching Chris
Thank you for making this video. This helped me immensely.well explained so even a dummy like me can understand.
Thanks for posting this, much appreciated
Thanks for watching 👍
I have the same setup, where the locking thing is behind the tile. I tied a long piece of thin ribbon so it wouldn’t fall behind the tile.
Right on Carri!
Do you leave the thread in place for the next person who has to change the cartridge?
That little nylon tool for twisting the cartridge is useless because the top and bottom plastic rectangles are held captive by the brass valve body they're set into
Thanks, saved me a couple hundred dollars
I was just thinking if I was doing the job that I would drop the clip down in the wall and sure enough within seconds you dropped the clip down into the wall. And unfortunately for many plumbing projects that I do if something can go wrong it will go wrong.
Tie a thread to the top of the clip until you get it in.
Any tips on how to replace a delta cartridge
How do you keep the handle screw from backing out when you turn the plastic handle? I’ve had to tighten that screw at least twice a month.
The screw that comes with the handle should have some blue stuff in the threads that prevents that
Good video thanks. These Moen 1222 cartridges suck. I have four showers that use them and I'm constantly replacing them. Avoid if possible!
Thanks for watchin’
This was very helpful, thanks!!
Glad it was helpful!
You can tell he's Harry homeowner . Only cause he used a drill to run them screws back in. Easiest way to strip threads. Just take your time and use a Philips screwdriver.
Hahaha good one
or tie some thread through the hole in the lock spring in case it's dropped
That’ll work too 👍
I can not get that stinking little" clip" to go in!!!!!???? I'm just gonna leave it out! what is it supposed to do?
The cartridge might not be pushed in all the way. That clip helps hold the cartridge in place so it doesn’t shoot out if the wall
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro I finally...... got it in! should be easier than that right!!
Thanks!
When getting ready to shut the water off you didn’t show or state the position the handle needs to be in I saw it was turned on (does it need to be in the on position?) also I changed my cartridge and when the water is barely on but on the cold side I’m getting warm water coming out of the faucet. What do I need to do? Do I go back and repulsed the cartridge and reset it back?
Shouldn't the teardrop (pointed end) of the handle be pointing down? Virtually every install diagram or video has the teardrop pointing down, when the faucet is in the off position.
Hi, doesn’t seem like you watched the video. After I replaced the cartridge, the handle is in the correct position
Hello. Thanks for this great video. However what is that piece you accidentally dropped? Just want to plan ahead. 😂
I appreciate this video! I'm currently trying to replace one of these but the cartridge won't go all the way in...it sticks out about an inch. I cleaned the inside of the pipe to the point that it's shiny again, bought silicone grease, and have tried everything I know to do. What do you suggest?
The knockoff brand tends to do that and leak after a few years so my suggestion is to use genuine parts
I used the puller both to remove the old cartridge and to install the new one. I couldn't get it far enough in otherwise. You might also remove it and check the valve body for anything blocking the cartridge. I used the included lubricant on all rubber parts and also smeared it around the inside of the valve.
Thanks, the video was super helpful
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching
My shower is not difficult at all to turn on/ off or change mix but there is more rushing water noise when set to 50/50 mix which calms down if I mix left or right. Is the noise an indication of a failing cartridge. Again the actual function of the faucet is not impeded.
I would just be guessing if I answered this, I would check to make sure if you have any close water shutoffs to the valve assembly that they are all the way open and the screens are not obstructed
you have to turn off the water for this? both hot and cold?
yes
MOEN should be ashamed of it cartridge... Mine only lasts three years and it starts dripping water already. I have seen so many cartridge replacement videos and complaints about that cartridge won't last more than a few years. If I know that, I wouldn't be using MOEN shower faucets when I renovated my bathroom. That little piece of plastic cartridge costs $45.00US on average to replace it yourself... if you hire a plumber to do it, then you will be paying about $300.00. Thanks for sharing your video.
That really sucks. I know parts aren't made as well anymore. I work in a 22 year old building sometimes, and some of these cartridges have been holding up since the build. I know they are the original because I've had to buy a dedicated cartridge puller to get them out because of the water scale sealing them in there.
Right on the nail. 3 years ago I paid a plumber about that much (actually more since he did some other stuff in the kitchen) to replace the cartridge. Now 3 years later I've gotta replace it again due to drip but I'll do it myself ($60 now for parts after tax). Hope I don't drop the retainer clip 😁
Mine won't go all the way leaking a barrel an hour
Mine usually lasts about 7 plus years but I replace it every 5 years because I don’t want it to get so much lime buildup and it gets difficult to remove and I always use genuine Moen parts and avoid those knockoffs parts and on Amazon up can get them for under $20.00 genuine and always clean the barrel with a tiny scrub brush and use generous amounts of plumbing grease when sliding in the new cartridge
Evert 6 months where I live
I have put the top plastic at 3 o'clock position but still I am getting a little warm water on cold setting. Not sure what's wrong.
Great video, it helped a lot thank you
Thanks for watching
When I was watching the part about him installing the first clip, my thoughts ,why aren't you putting a small towel or paper towels in the hole just in case you drop it. Well, there you go.
I am getting low water temp from shower, so I will put new 1222B. To measure the temp of water coming in, do you know how can measure without the 1222B. What is the name of the plumbing assembly that the 1222b goes into, so I can ask home depot also
There are lots of different set ups. From the water heater and cold water supply it usually enters a mixing valve and then into the manifold at the shower/bathtub. There's so many scenarios so its very difficult to give you the correct answer without a plumbing diagram of your home.
Thanks for that video. Is there a way to tell for sure what exact cartridge to get without removing the old one? My faucet chrome cover says Moen and I can see the vertical white tab, etc. I know there are 1222 and 122B and probably some other designations. There are positemp and some are called "hot cold". etc. I'm replacing one that was installed in 1998 if that helps any. Thank you for any advice.
I’m not sure how to tell without removing the cover
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro I did call Moen and they said the 1222 and 1222B are the same item, they just have them packaged differently. Kind of confusing but that's what they told me.
If the handle pulls out get the 1225. If it just twists get the 1222. 1222b is equivalent to 1222. I tried the Danco equivalent and it was hard to seat so I took it back.
I have followed these exact steps to the T and the shower still leaks from the shower head. Any suggestions?
I would remove the valve, then check for calcium buildup on the inside diameter of the copper piping that may be smushing the o-ring. If so removed with sandpaper or steel wool. Let me know if that works
Great video but it's kinda scary knowing that these cartridges aren't built to last. Even on Moen's website there only 2.5 stars because they don't last. Mine was installed in 1999 when we built our house and the only problem I'm having is the handle is very hard to turn. I don't know what's gonna be worse, the longevity of the cartridge or the battle it's gonna take removing the old one. Like another viewer asked but your answer wouldn't show up, how do you know if you need a 1222 or a 1222B without removing it or is there even a difference? Thank you for the video.
As a plumber I expect these to last 10 years at least, same with toilet flappers, fill valves and supply lines. Better safe than sorry for cheap replacements.
@@paulewogg22 Appreciate the reply.
Hi, I don't know how to tell the difference without removing them.
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro I called Moen to order the 1222 because of the age of it and they told me there is no difference between a 1222 and a 1222B. The good thing is it's still under warranty 22 years later with free shipping. Thank you, appreciate the reply. Have a safe and Happy New Year.
@@66lwmorgan Wow hell ya Moen and thank you for sharing that with us - :) Happy new years 66lwmorgan!!
4:40 You put in the plastic piece for removing old cartridge. Is there a reason for that ?
Hi, I don't really know, but I've seen old ones with that still attached and it doesn't affect anything on this model. You can do that to all setups though it will prevent some fixtures from sitting flush against the wall. I guess it's courtesy to the next person if they want to pull the cartridge (not that they work great anyway)
A novice at plumming... the pin is no prob (lucky me...) but the pin will not seat back into the groove.... any suggestions? I cant get the metal sheath back over the assembly..... :( Jim
seems like it has to be pushed back a bit further
Sometimes you have to use a thin flat scewdriver to reach in on the sides to move the pin to line up in slot! Also make sure new cartridge is perfectly vertical!
Dang tile man
I know...
How do I find out if I need a 1222 or a 1225 cartridge?
Match it up with the old cartridge 👍
The 1225 cartridge pulls out to turn on water, then you turn for hot or cold. 1222, 1222B cartridge only turn, no pulling action for hot & cold!
Thanks for this. The Moen video on this topic was bullshit. The guy pulled the old valve out as easy as picking a booger. I had to fight tooth and nail to get mine out (the valve, not my booger).
The Moen cartridge pullers make it easier
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totallyfrozen Well, all I can say is you got lucky. I had a booger that I knew was there but it took a pair of long needle nose pliers to get that rascal out. I'd tangle with the cartridge any day over a booger.
Thank you !!!
You're welcome!
My cartridge stopped about 1/4" short. I cant seem to get to move. Any suggestions?
Hi, I replaced the cartridge.,I get hot and warm water. I do not get just cold water. I have tried another cartridge with the same problem. Do you know how to fix this issue? Thanks
Not sure I’ve ran into that. Just at the tub or elsewhere in the home? There’s a screen that should be exposed when the valve is out check to make sure that’s not clogged
I’m having a hard time removing the buttons
Which button? The front handle piece?
I would freak me out to drop da clip 🥶😬
And I just lost my clip...just as the plumber was going to arrive... /fail
That access hole is far too small. Need to cut open.
Well the puller was an unnecessary buy lol
I hate moen shower valves.
The worst show.
I always tie a piece of thread through the top of the clip taping the other end to the shower wall. If you drip it like you did... you simply pull it back up!