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- 🏁 Is Mick Schumacher's Return to Formula 1 sooner than we think? 🚗 In this video, we dive deep into the exciting prospects of Mick Schumacher making a comeback in Formula 1, potentially with the Alpine team in 2025! 🌟 We'll explore why Mick's chances for 2024 seem limited, the intriguing link between his sports car experience and Alpine's World Endurance Championship (WEC) team, and how his success in WEC could open doors to Alpine's F1 squad, which is undergoing significant changes. Don't miss out on the inside scoop about Mick's path back to the pinnacle of motorsport! 🎥
With Alpine looking like a team in flux, could Mick Schumacher's test for them and their WEC team for the 2024 season be the stepping stone to the French team signing the German son of Michael Schumacher to their F1 outfit for 2025, after the silly season of Formula 1 where Pierre Gasly and Esteban Ocon could find Formula One seats elsewhere or LEAVE the sport altogether? Might Mick's positive and good nature be what the team needs after their crisis packed history? Toto Wolff and his young talent might have the best opportunity yet to get back on the grid. Forget Williams, Audi, Sauber or even Mercedes themselves - we could see a repeat of Ocon 2020.
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Mick to Alpine would make me so happy. Not conviced that he's the real deal but he deserved better than he got at Haas
I think he'd be a good match for them. They want some stability and amiable drivers to reset things - Mick's your guy...providing he can impress them in WEC.
@@LawVSdo another video on who will replace Stroll at AM
don´t forget Alpine used to be Benetton. The team where Michael won his first 2 championships and most of the important staff, who helped in the Ferrari revival worked before.
In my memory Mick accually showed some pace and potential. He could beat Magnussen. Haas just isnt a good place to start
@@daveruda yep, really hope they don't end up burning Oliver Bearman too
At this point Toto is better at recruiting drivers to Alpine than Alpine themselves
I think he's good at spotting chances that seem left field.
I really want to see Mick back in F1. I definetly think he deserves another shot at it. He had quite good speed honestly, he just needs to iron out the crashes and he is a pretty decent driver imo
I feel Alpine could be a low pressure environment to get back in if the French drivers have a meltdown.
Mick was nothing special speed wise and his inability to even go around the race track without crashing meant he was a very expensive below average driver who was living off the Schumacher name. No wonder nobody wants him.
@@bjs7442 Not one single driver has shown anything special speed-wise at Haas, even a Le-Mans-winner like Hulk who was fighting for podiums before.And lLets not forget that we, the fans, know the least of what's going on behind the scenes and with the car. Mick overdrove the car during quali and practice, but he drives consistently when it matters, i.e. during races. He had a single crash during a race in 2022 and clearly had better race-pace than Kmag on average.
There were also some memorable moments, like his defensive driving against a 7x world champion in a far superior car in Austria and him fighting Verstappen in a RB with damaged aero. Almost won the race of champions and is the fastest driver at the WEC Alpine-Team now too. I'd say that's at least noteworthy.
@@iSkyline1 Its good that he has found a level of motorsport that he can drive within his ability rather than having to overdrive to
keep up and have crashes. The Hulk has proven its possible to have success in a Haas without wrecking the car. I am happy that Mick can enjoy his racing now.
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Indeed. I like to keep it casual and relatable.
Perez and Mick in Alpine 2025. Two stable drivers, Perez can be the veteran and Mick the young hot shot. Both could use fresh air, and Perez would be in a competitive seat, but with no pressure to beat the most dominating driver right now.
Could be nice.
Perhaps, in case Alpine implode and both drivers refuse to work together.
I see Perez replacing Stroll at AM after he 'decides to explore other series' with the team.
And where do Gasly and Ocon go?
Gasly will stay, Mick has 0 chance at Alpine. Consider that Mick is also closely tied to Toto, whose stock is rapidly dwindling and whose other supported drivers (DeVries, Ocon) have ALSO been lacklustre or failed this season. Mick's only shot is in Sauber, and they have Bottas, and Pourchaire on the horizon. Earliest i could see Mick in Sauber is 2025 after Bottas' contract ends and that would be 4 years removed form his last time in an F1 car...
Ocon's time in F1 came to an end once and i suspect it's about to again. His off-track antics and arrogance are reaching unacceptable levels. Other drivers seem to be making more and more comments about avoiding alpines but specifically talking about Ocon. @@thebateman761
No way checo would be ok with that though. He is thirsty for wins at RB, so being in Alpine and getting crushed by his old teammate probably wouldn’t be good for his motivation.
I think Schumacher could've done a lot better and I think if he's given 1 more season he can show if hes a great choice or not
Or better yet, had started at Alfa Romeo.
As a former RB catering pickle placer I applied in Enstone at Jos Verstappen’s Gym + Marital Counseling & Daycare. He really helps you break thru walls (and windows). No lunch tho.
Great video man I honestly think Schumacher deserves another seat
Your in a minority . What has he done to deserve it ? Model clothes? Looking good in the merc garage and promotional videos . He was rubbish.
LMDh isn't a step below LMH. It's just two different ways of going about building the car. They use the same bop and both race in the same class. Yes LMDh have to use a spec hybrid, gear box and tub from one of four suppliers, but other than that, they are all the same level of performance.
My mistake! It's more for sustainability and costs.
@@LawVS aye it's definitely a more.cost effective way of building the cars. Good video as always thought
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Hope MSC gets a decent pacient team in F1 and will prove everyone wrong...... . Mick crashed maybe a little bit often but he had pace and pushed the Limits
I hope so too.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
I can't see Alpine looking past its huge number of juniors, Doohan and Martins to name a couple. F1 to WEC back to F1 is unheard of, and I think Mick going there pretty much spells the end of his F1 career. Finding your way back into the paddock after more than a year on the sideline is extremely rare, and Mick has neither the experience or reputation of someone like a Hulkenberg to pull off such a move.
I see your point but Alpine isn't the best with its juniors.
I am sure Michael Schumacher and Martin Brundle would have somthing to say about moving to F1 from LMP Cars. . . . . . .
@@rocko-sh5wi except they weren't in F1 before doing endurance racing
@@ananastudio Oh I think you will find that Martin Brundle was in F1, left and won the World Sportscar Championship with Jaguar and then returned to F1.
MSC turned up in F1 as the product of the Mercedes Young Driver Sports Car programme along with HH Frentzen and they were both *Quick ! It is a well known fact that this was the phase of MSC career that made him into the machine that he became in F1.
Romain Grosjean got bounced out of F1 and won GT1 in a Ford GT before returning to GP2 (Champion) and returning to F1 where he scored multiple podiums and was fundementally fast.
The point is that the top tier of sportscar racing is going to be an epic battleground over the next decade and I would expect to see a regular two way exchange of drivers between F1 and top tier Sportscar racing.
For a young driver like Mick the restraint, teamwork, race management and engineering knowledge that he will gain over and above purely single seater racing could prove invaluable. Racing is about so much more than sitting in a car and being quick.
I dont think we have seen the last of Mick in F1, I think there is a plan in place (masterminded by Toto) to build him back up.
This is MSC son we are talking about, lets wait and see what happens shall we. . . . .
@@rocko-sh5wi not reading allat
The prospect of a "Schumacher - Doohan" pairing driving a Renault engine in F1 makes a late 90s motorsport fan like me drooling with anticipation.
Possible if the two French drivers walk.
Very well theorized. I'm just happy to see Mick in any car.
I love your level headed very well researched pieces. And I think you have a valid angle here. Let’s remember, Ocon and Mick are close friends. Ocon vouched for Schumacher but got Gasly and it’s not working. I do believe that Ocon and Mick as a combo would put their heads down, grind and improve that alpine step by step. Alpines best shot moving up so Ocon and Mick. Let’s gooooo!!!
I like the way you explain the situation, both funny and very clearly. Keep it up. loving it!!
I don't think drivers can maintain a competitive edge just by driving in a simulator. They need competitive track time.
I think Micheal had a few seasons at Ferrari where he logged more miles testing than he did practicing and racing at F1 races.
Indeed. So at least racing in WEC for a team with connections to F1 is better than another year in the simulator.
Send Mick to Super Formula. It's the closest thing and a formidable regional series. @@LawVS
love the videos, ive thought about this for a while and like to predict when things are going to happen, you are right about Mick not being supported at Haas(further proof that they are kind of incompetent). Below are my predictions for the Grid in 2026 based upon many videos and news sources. Generally, I think F1 will want to avoid legal ramifications when it comes to Andretti(it will likely take until late 2024 for them and the FIA to be on the same page).
Red Bull Ford: Verstappen & Norris
Ferrari: Leclerc & Sainz
Mercedes: Russell & Albon
Mclaren: Piastri & Gasly
Aston Martin Honda: Tsunoda & Stroll
Audi: Schumacher & Pourchaire
Alpine: Ocon & Martins
Andretti Cadillac: Perez & Sargeant
Williams: Vesti & Bortoleto
Alpha Tauri's new name: Lawson & Ricciardo
Alfa Romeo Haas: Hulkenberg & Zhou
Andretti will get onto the grid; the teams just want to get a good deal. They'll meet in secret and get what they want.
A partnership I would like to see is Schumacher alongside Gazley at Alpine. I say that because I feel like they would actually make a good team with less team conflict. It would be a clear number one in the clear number to at least wall. Schuhmacher learned the car and got a feel for things. Plus, I feel like that environment would be better for him alongside a driver that has experience and knows what it’s like to get dropped and such so someone that he could actually relate to. That would be a good example of not giving up.
Based on Ocon's handling of Fernando yesterday that Alpine will not renew his contract. He's not scored as much as Gasly and Gasly has been more outspoken as to the idiosyncrasies in that team.
I think MSC in an Alpine would be pretty cool for 2025, perhaps along with one of their juniors, which are pretty talented ( not Piastri talented), but I hope that Alpine learned from their mistakes from last year, contractwise
Hopefully he'll have a good time like his dad.
@@LawVS Considering the team used to be Benetton, that would be a a full circle, that would be wholesome
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I miss alpine bieng called Renault I want Renault anyways love the videos have a zensu bean
I agree! Alpine should have been Renault’s sister team, kinda like Alpha Tauri
Hope mick gets back into f1, hes done a great job helping mercedes this seaosn. Hopefully hes learned more about setups now and how he can take that forward, with vowles at williams i think that would be perfect for him. Mick seams to need that close almost loving relationship rather than the haas type of gunter who seams more emotional based.
This is definitely a crucial season of learning. Now 2024 can have some chances to show off what he learnt.
Seeing Mick back in F1 would be huge for many F1 fans and not just reserves
I'd say half of Haas' problem is Gunther seems to run things like Red Bull Racing proper (sans car and top tier drivers). It's no environment for a complete rookie to try and develop and his reputation was unfairly muddied.
I think if he'd been at someone more understanding, like Williams, we'd have seen his talents on full display.
Indeed. You need hardened veterans. Makes sense since he was an RBR founding member.
Micheal Schumacher drove for Alpine's ancestor, Benneton Renault too
edit.... should've watched on before i commented haha!
That's what I said.
This would be great, to add to it he and Ocon are close friends. Would have to watch for a Hamilton Rosberg situation though.
Oh yeah. Estie-Bestie will be happy...which Alpine will like.
the key is if mick perfome well, but as time goes the door for f1 seat slowly closed
Of course. It depends on how well he does.
loving this pod!
Though spot for the kid. I think he definitely could have the skills, but he needs to be super nurtured and rebuild his confidence. He also needs to be put in a good situation where when he slightly passes the limit of his car, it wont explode on him (like every opportunity possible in the Haas)
I think his year at Mercedes has done wonders. His help with getting Mercedes that double podium in Spain by putting in the hours at the sim is a great example. If he can get a year of competitive WEC action with Alpine, this could see a completely different Mick come back into F1.
Ok but can we take a second to appreciate how GORGEOUS that car is???
It looks very mean.
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Between Ocon and Gasly who do you think would retire from F1?
I think Gasly might get the boot in 2024.
i think many f1 drivers will go to wec now that its again really popular
It's definitely an alternate avenue and perhaps great place to refine skills in a very challenging environment.
We all have our flights of fancy and its an expertly constructed fantasy of improbabilities .
Well done it was very amusing.
This was just something, based on what we saw, that I wished to share. The fact it's IMPROBABLE means it COULD happen.
Andretti, not good enough, General Motors, not good enough, so Andretti should sign Mick and throw a wrench into F1.
But the FIA has given their approval based on important stress tests.
I thought i saw him in the alpine a424 cockpit footage because of the helmet!
Yep, he was doing a test day on Tuesday.
You come up with very reasonable theories, great videos
The only problem I have with this is that going from Ocon or Gasly to Mick is a step down, even in the WEC I fully expect Alpine's main drivers Andre Negrao, Matthiew Vaxivier and Charles Milesi to be the real stars (and LMDh is not a step down from LMH, it's a cheaper but more controlled alternative that is meant to be on par).
In any case, Mick would be a more stable option whilst the team is rebuilding.
@@LawVS Would it matter though? Whilst I don't believe for a second that Gasly and Ocon are mates, there's no sign of any real problems with them working togethor. The closest we've got was in Japan and that was more to do with a dumb call from the pit wall (you don't tell a driver 10s up the road to slow down and let their team mate past for nothing and expect it to go over well).
I was looking for someone to clarify that lmh and lmdh are on par. Idk why that statement really bugged me lol
@@HallucinatingHedgehogs Probably because it's completely wrong, the two rule sets were alwasy designed to directly compete against each other. I'd say it's working as well, of the 7 manufacturer cars 6 of them are really close with only the Toyota notably ahead and being well sorted and in it's 3rd year it probably should be.
Going to AllPain to rebuilt it again... It seems the team is always rebuilding themselves and never gets the build performed in time
And also, the LMDH is not the lower class of LMH, both share the same category, maximum downforce drag and power and then, all gets together with the BOP. WEC and IMSA are stunning ATM
I feel like this time they GET what is wrong with the team and know what they need to do.
Well first two title's
We don't talk about 1994 title
(Coughs) any way 1995 was really special
I hope I mick on the grid soon
In any case, Team Enstone holds the Schumacher name with high regard.
@@LawVS I wonder how many people are even left at the team from those days now.
toto must feel like mr bumble from oilver twist "boy for sale"
That's what I'm going for haha
Seeing as ocon and mick are friends, if ocon became the favourite for a team leader he would probably try to convince alpine to sign Mick.
Probably...but Alpine may probably remove Ocon anyway...shadier sackings have happened in F1.
Ocon already voiced for mick. I think he might succeed for 2025. Would be a good pairing. Mick and Ocon
He should go to Super Formula. It seemed to work for Lawson.
Perhaps, but I think Toto has another option.
What draws you to Mick Schumacher? Not criticising you, just curious why you like him. Personally he had glimmers of hope but he failed to make a meaningful impression for me. Though then again, it was partly because Haas isn’t the greatest team for junior drivers
I was a Schumacher fan so I became one for him. That and I love his personality, work ethic and general vibe. I just gravitate toward him.
I think muck will only 4/ 5 chances if my prediction is correct one/two seats will go to Nico Lapierre and Matheiu Vaxiviere who already raced for the team In a grandfathered lmp1 2 seasons back . I think mick will compete with Charles milesi who's racing for the alpine lmp2 team this will be interesting how mick fits
It's a better chance than we think since Renault asked Toto and he to test instead of them having to convince Renault.
Yeah, I know Sergeant may be staying for another year. Williams seems to want stability right now. IDK, it just a feeling. And, I think Gasly will be staying at Apline.
The team seems to know something we don't. Vowles has the data and seems to like it enough for Logan to be safe for another year.
Good video. Schumacher to Enstone.
Mick Schumacher will need a lot more than just "a bit of luck" and top performance in (a lesser class of) the WEC to get back into F1. If Sauber doesn't find a quick solution for "their boy" Théo Pourchaire (who is poised to win the Formula 2 championship this year, Vesti would need a miracle to catch him in Abu Dhabi) I can see him at Alpine in 2025.
And Sauber seems to be "locked" at the moment, Audi probably want to keep Joe Gungho in that car (VW Group being the #2 car importer in China, Audi #4), so what to do with young Théo?
What he may have is a conduit to F1 via Alpine. If he can perform well, gel well with the team and Alpine find themselves losing one of their French drivers for 2025, Mick is a quick fix.
@@LawVS Not exactly the same team though, Alpine's WEC cars are run by Signatech, a French team completely unrelated to Enstone.
The alpine lmdh actually races in the top class alongside ferrari and toyota
As much as in Alpine is in crisis, both of their drivers are very good and despite disliking each other they mostly have not had major issues or drama with each other during this season. There's no reason why Alpine should fire either of them, and even if they did Mick Schumacher would be a downgrade. Both of their drivers were on the podium this year in what is optimistically the 5th fastest car, so they are both doing an excellent job.
It could be worse for them, yes. Also, I think Gasly could easily usurp the role as the lead Alpine driver because he's more consistent and more agreeable than Ocon.
@@LawVS It's possible. Gasly has been a little better over the course of this season, but not by enough of a margin that they'd be eager to drop Ocon I think
I can see either of them being quite open to moving to another team though. Not only are there 5 teams looking better than them but Alpine are probably second only to Haas in terms of looking like they are going somewhere higher than they are.
And yes, the chance of one of them getting a seat at the top 4 is quite damn slim but I suppose Aston will need at least 1 driver soon. And that would likely be between someone who they are competitive with. Even Alfa, I do think the Audi hype is pretty silly since they are going to take a while to get somewhere but someone in a mid field team or a second driver is in a spot where a risk like that can pay off.
at the end of 2024 i hope to see retired alonso, hamilton, hulk (lets say, over 35 years),... they are old. yes, i know in a good car they can win. but should we wait 20 more years to see if they can win? at any time ex championss or title contenters will be faster than the rookies. should we end the careers of all possible good rookies just to see if lewis can win the 8th?
I reckon the Big Three will be in F1 in some capacity until 2028.
I still think Japan 2022 was a masterful drive from Ocon. I would not dump such a driver. He is also a race winner.
Yes he is, but he hasn't really made a HUGE impression after that win. Sure, he got a podium this year...but so did Gasly.
What are these peaks for Logan Sargeant? Finishing a race week without any crashes?
Still better than spoiled schumacher.
12th in Bahrain, 11th in Silverstone and Q3 in Zaandvort.
@@LawVS Kevin was first (ok, with some luck), and spoiled schumacher was... ? I don't remember...... schumacher costs more than he bringed.
schumacher was 6th in austria, battled really well with hamilton. Also 8th in silverstone. Both races, he really worked for the result. So Mick had some very nice peaks for a Haas driver. Q3 a couple of times as well.@@mirvan23
Interesting
Remined me Toto Lobbying for Ocon in French .
Yep. Toto has been here before.
Good if he gets Wec but tbh in F1 i dont even think he is as good as Ralph was,if anything i can see him doing a B.Senna or Pique Jr path .In F1 only way to think one can get something heritage wise is if they are named Hill.
We shall see. I'm just glad there's a potential path back and in for a shot at a WEC drive.
WEC would be good for him for now maybe he can get a seat in a couple of years in F1
Yeah. His dad honed his skill in sports cars.
Alpine needs to clean up their image asap, & Mick needs to get his reputation cleaned from the mess that was his relationship with Guenther.
It's a win-win situation and I honestly think either Gasly or Esteban will end up exiting Alpine one way or another.
And personally, Mick does deserve a shot back at F1.
I think they are working on that with some real fervour; trying to cease the in-fighting and temper their drivers.
I think his F1 shot is pretty much over if he doesn't get Logan's seat next year. There's going to be a lot of young talent coming up through the ranks. Look at Kyvat. Piastri got promoted to reserve driver after winning F2 and Kyvat's F1 career is done now.
I bet the events of 2022 didn't help things for Daniil.
« They need a calm baseline » are you considering Pierre isn’t one ? He seemed quite solid in this role at Alpha Tauri and doesn’t come across as toxic I think
Nope. Esteban is the stirrer.
sidenote the A424 is a bloody beast
Have you SEEN those rear lights?
@@LawVS mate ive done that and heard the godsend of a v6 it has
i love the WEC lmfao
I think you should do a video talking about Haas... Like what's the point of them in F1? What are they trying to accomplish every year? It's clear they aren't trying to win. It's also clear they're not driver academy. They don't "test parts" for Ferrari. They just use Ferrari parts. They're not like Alpha Tauri... So what's the point? Every other team has a clear goal. Haas just seems to be the only grid filler.
I think it's unfair as they're now finally starting to see stability. If they mess up 2024 then yes questions can form.
Well with Drugo he had 3 F2 seasons so we can gauge him well. 9th, 8th, champion.
If it took him 3 years to show something in F2 so maybe he will strugle in F1.
Yep, same book as with DeVries.
Indeed. It could happen.
Vettle and Hamilton being on Dad Duty with Mick in 2021/2 was hilarious.
Also that...5 minutes...when Mick got *mad* in 2022 was amazing.
Give that boy the right car and he will be great. I want to see that inner Michael roar.
@@LawVS Definitely has pace on him.
Unfortunately it seems every time he's crashed was off the basis of being forced to push while he was pushing as hard as he can.
Okay, as I know Schumi and Ocon has some kind of friendship, but I bet it would end miserably, if Alpine would put them together next to each other...
I think Mick would be above that bickering, if it happens.
2024 silly season is gonna be goofy, silly even
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Comparing Mick to his father is a bad idea. Mick is good but we'll need to see him in a decent car before we see his true potential. The Alpine is an ok car.
If he gets the timing right, the Alpine of 2025 could be a better team than it is now.
I think Mick had not really had a chance to prove himself as did other drivers i mean i am not saying he will be well next schumacher :) but definatly deserves a seat considering what all horrific drivers got the chance at it in history.
I don't agree that Haas isn't a good team for a rookie. Well, at least if said rookie has natural talents. True talents shine no matter what team they start with. Mick's father debuted with Jordan. Senna with Toleman. Leclerc with Sauber. Alonso with Minardi. In all cases the flashes of brilliance were obvious to everyone. In Mick's case? Not so much. He's a good lad, but his talent is akin to his uncle Ralf, not his illustrious father.
Steiner was doing what Marko is doing with Checo. All of the negative media was hampering Mick's attempts to quietly solve his issues...couple that with Haas' inability to upgrade effectively, you had an end-of-year push that was non-existant.
Tbf being in a bad car also with a terrible man manager isn't something they dealt with. They had people who supported them, mick had to deal with steiner in one ear and the media in the other.
I'd argue all of those teams were well run within the constriants of their budgets, something I'm not exactly sure you can say of Haas.
@@LawVS Oh c'mon.... I'm not judging Mick only as a Haas driver. His F2 career was also... meh. First year (2019) with Prema he scored 54 points and one podium (sprint race win in Hungary). You know who else was a rookie that year? Zhou Guanyu. How much better was he compared to Mick? Try 5 podiums and 140 points. In 2020, when Mick did win the F2 championship, he barely did so by 14 points (Callum Ilott had a chance if he won the last feature race of the season). Compare that with Oscar's 60.5 point advantage a year later... as a a rookie! In his F2 championship year, Mick won TWO races out of 24 races. Oscar a year later? SIX wins out of 23 races. Both Russell and Leclerc won 7 in their F2 championship year as rookies. Drugovich won 5. Lawson won 4 w/o even winning the championship.
So no, I don't think Mick is anywhere near Leclerc, Russell or Piastri. He had a 2 year chance in F1 and was... meh. Before I see Mick return to F1, I would prefer to see Drugovich get a chance. Or Robert Shwartzman. Or Alex Palou. Or Frederik Vesti.
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Can mick get into alfa /sauber project in 25?
Just a year before 26 get him to gel and go all guns blazing when audi arrives
That's possible but the Alpine one could be a surprisingly low pressure entry point.
Oh, c'mon! WEC is the place where so many F1 drivers go and just never come back. Okay, Alonso did, but Mick is not Alonso. He is not his father Michael either. He just doesn't have the same talent. What he does have is an obnoxious uncle who has made a point of annoying everyone in the F1 paddock, including the key decision makers, so no matter how sweet Mick himself might be, no one wants to deal with the family anymore because of Ralf. I think it is much more likely that he will go to WEC and stay there, unless Toto one day decides to bring him back and put in a Mercedes, but then again, he has other young talents to choose from. Time will tell, of course, but I'm not holding my breath. WEC, after all, is kinda good too, and its popularity is currently growing, so why not?
I reckon Alpine are viewing Mick as a good idea for their WEC campaign; what better way for he and Toto to keep racing hard, hone his skills directly in compeition and in case Ocon or Gasly leave in the silly season, Mick is ingratiated with the Alpine atmosphere to be a consideration.
Big IF "Mick will do well in WEC".
The Alpine contingent seem quite confident since they were the ones to approach Mick.
No disrespect to Mick but I totally agree with Haas's decision to tell him not to do donuts. He did absolutely nothing to deserve being able to burn up the equipment to do donuts. Max, though, absolutely, since he wins races and championships.
We saw countless drivers, up and down the grid, doing donuts.
As an alpine fan I would love to have mick and also can we GET THE NAME BACK TO RENAULT GEEZ nobody cares about the sports car brand I miss Reno so much all our history is gone 😢
I don't think that will happen. The Renault Group want to view Alpine as the racing arm of their business.
Fair enough it is what it is
I always say that once a driver can’t beat a midfield driver in their first season they are in big trouble. Schumacher had to beat Magnussen and he failed
It's becoming obvious that Haas focuses on one car more than the other. Nico is getting the focus over Magnussen.
I think it will be checo. He will have another good year and go to alpine.
Could be an option, yes. Alpine will appreciate the Red Bull insight.
I think anyone going to Alpine at the current moment is just going to a stale team that isn’t going anywhere. The Renault group throughout their history in F1 haven’t rly cared too much but have had good and great drivers and their engineers historically have made massive strides in pushing the sport. But now we have super tight regulations, a disorganized team and two drivers that say they don’t hate each other. If there’s one thing to learn from Williams is that team culture can’t change overnight, unless you have James Vowels of course.
I think perhaps their WEC team is a little more solid and better managed. By the time we get to 2025, we might start to see real change in their organisation.
@@LawVS Yeah because that WEC team isn't managed by Alpine themselves, but Signatech.
I know it’s very unlikely, but I think Mick could end up at Andretti since they’ll have 2 open seats either in 2025 or 2026
Maybe. For some star power perhaps with some credentials.
Forget F1, I want him in that alpine wec seat
I think he stands a good chance since Renault approached Mick and Toto.
@LawVS fingers crossed 🤞, and I liked your guest sppot on the last lap podcast
Sad that his F1 career is on hold but atleast he can enjoy in other Motorsport series.
Yes. It's important for Mick to compete.
Mick showed great promise. It was a shame the way Gunther pushed him out like he is a crash test dummy when 3 drivers piled up way bigger bills this season. Are we hearing how Logan, Perez and Stroll are crash test dummies the same way we heard it about Mick? Not really.
I would love to see him back. I saw potential there. I want to see him on a better car that can actually challenge for anything.
Indeed. Checo is experiencing the same thing.
I blame Ferrari for Micks situation, they should have put him in an Alfa with Bottas where he could have learnt more. Instead they threw him in at Haas. After what Micheal did for Ferrari they really could have treated Mick better
Absolutely. If he were with Kimi for 2021, it would've been a much better time of it. Then Bottas and Schumacher.
@@LawVS How could I forget Kimi to. Anyway I hope Mick gets anouther shot in F1 - maybe his uncle should also shut the F up for a change.
Did they even still have control over a seat in 2021 though? I believe it ended before that?
Also maybe they wanted to but Alfa said ok but Zhou is joining in 2022 either way so he has one year while Haas said he will have at least 2. Basically just mean we don't know the details of contract negotiations etc
Let’s face it Mick got treated like garbage at Hass yes he did make mistakes, but what driver doesn’t look at Verstappen when he first got in the Formula One hopefully something will come to fruition for Mick with alpine. Thanks for the video. Always enjoy your content.
Indeed. Mick's first year was a write-off and his second year was hindered by a Haas which was going backwards after Silverstone. He barely had time to make up for his shaky start.
Mick will do well in WEC. I mean hes a bloody F2 champion - let's be honest.
That DOES count for something.
Personally, I feel that Alpine would be the _worst_ place for Mick to regain an F1 seat in the coming years and the French outfit will have to go some way to reverse that opinion.
The Alpine operation has been a bit of a shithouse in recent months; and if the current F1 team's state of affairs is any indication, it doesn't spurn much confidence for the WEC side.
And while the WEC operation is still an unknown quantity, the Alpine LMDh is running the same Mecachrome V6 that's infamously unreliable in F2, albeit with a second turbo so there's even more to go wrong, and in a sport where reliability & longevity are paramount for success, it's a questionable at best powertrain choice.
I feel that at the very least, it'll be a means to keep racing in a competitive environment instead of being in the sim all the time.
There's nothing unknown about the WEC operation, it's being run by Signatech, as it has been for the last 10 years. Agreed with the Mecachrome engine though, definitely a worry for reliability.
In my opinion people need to stop pretending that mick is a better driver than he is, sure his first season he had an awful car but his second season exposed him,
he should of been on magnussens level ( a guy who jad a year out of F1 remember) but he wasn't,
the thing I often see people overlook is that he wasn't only dropped by Haas but also Ferarri. Ferrari could of easily put him into their LMH car like they did with Giovinazzi, but instead they dropped him
Much like Gutierrez I don't know why Mercedes picked him up, maybe its because of the link from Michael being part of the team or maybe Toto can see what I can't in Mick
I like mick and I do want him to succeed but he isnt an F1 level driver
I think he needs one more season at a team that doesn't hound him. Like Checo is dealing with right now.
@@LawVS I agree, his first season was a writeoff, and I think every rookie deserves 2 seasons, but I've never been impressed with mick, maybe a different team would help him and something could click, but I think his time in F1 is over
Mick more to be his uncle Ralf Schumacher than his father.... not aggressive enough 😎
We know he can be aggressive when he gets the right tools. Did you SEE Austria 2022?
Also, I feel bad for Mick. Cant he go back to F2 instead? coz his skills arent ready for F1 yet.
I like gasly. I don’t like ocon. A gasly Schumacher line up would be great
It certainly would be less harsh.
Why you had to record this video essay at your rooftop basement? LOL
ladies and gentle man it is happening
Yeah it is!
Schumacher deserves a seat. He wasn’t given the time to develop at haas. In 2021 , he DESTROYED his teammate, in 2022 he lost to a very experienced teammate and had a few crashes along the way these things happen when you commit to a young driver!
Exactly. One more year. If he can't hack it in F1 then then so be it.
He didn't destroy anyone in 2021. He outperformed someone who had no right to be there in the first place.
@@JMRope Mazepin was his only metric and as such, his closest comparison. We all know Mazepin was bad, but an f1 diver’s only job is to beat their teammate. If they do that, their seat should be safe.
@@kyleferguson2245 I'm not disputing that. He was better than Mazepin, no doubt. But you claimed he destroyed Mazepin and I don't agree. George Russell destroyed Latifi, another driver who was not really good enough for F1 but certainly no worse than Mazepin. Lando Norris destroyed Ricciardo, a multi race winner. Sure those two examples did not happen in the rookie season for those drivers but Mazepin was also a rookie and he out qualified Mick six times I think it was. Merely being good isn't enough to make it in F1.
What is happening with alpine and mick schumacher
He did a test with them for their 2024 WEC car.
There are so many other drivers who deserve an F1 shot before we get back to Mick. If we're trying to get the top 20 drivers in the world onto the grid, others should be looked at fierst. Is Mick even a top 50 driver? Could he get a top indycar seat with Penske or Ganassi? No, so why bother?
Because Toto has a plan and wants Mick to have a chance with a team who actually cares for non veterans.
There goes another missed opportunity for Williams, since 2018
I doubt Williams will worry about it. There are other options coming up from F2. If Antonelli gets a rookie championship he could be slotted right in there.
Mick is hard working is not a great argument. Show me a Formula 1 driver who isn’t hard working. If you find one that guy is clearly the exception.
I just feel that Mick is being touted by Toto and his time at Mercedes will be critical. After all, Alpine approached them to test instead of the other way around which is a huge plus.