What Went Wrong for Mick Schumacher in Formula 1?
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Mick was inconsistent but so were the Haas cars from race to race which is very difficult for a young driver. I hope he gets another chance.
Hahahaha!
*eyes De Vries*
@@LathropLdST he's older with much more motorsport experience, can't really compare
@@cesarfly9474 Still surprises me he is 27
@@zNoah yeah, he looks like 18 or 20 lol
@@LathropLdST Atleast Mick wasn't yeeted out mid-season.
The thing with Mick's case is that him being paired with Nikita in his first season didn't give us a real image of how good he actually was. With the arrival of KMag, he seems to be suddenly overmatched and that makes him look really bad out of the blue.
yeah and its sad cuz he didnt really learned anything from nikita and thats bad he improved this year thanks to kev
I mean the Haas both he and Mazepin got for their rookie seasons were among some of the most fucking atrocious F1 cars to ever be allowed on the grid tbh. I genuinely count this year as his rookie year because the old car was neigh undrivable. Period.
Imagine Lewis or Max in last year's Haas. That car wasn't as terrible as Mick and Mazespin made it look.
I disagree. Latter half of this season he's been a solid racer who has been pretty consistent in his racing ability.
excuses, formula one is the harshest sport i’ve ever seen in my life. they’ll find any excuse to throw you out for the guy who’s hot atm
It seems as if Steiner can't foster a culture of harmony within a team (for instance, the Magnussen-Grosjean era). I think Hulkenberg's arrival will cause drama and expose Steiner's shortcomings as a team principal.
Yep exactly on point.
If they have a great car like in Bahrain, we will see a great result.
Binnoto and Ferrari is what went wrong in the first place, Mick supposed to be Alfa Romeo driver but Ferrari shitty politics want Gio to stay just because he is italian, it doesn't help either the facts when Mick went into Haas he was paired with shitty driver like Mazepin who also have terrible behavior, then when Mick finally have capable car for scoring points there are Gunether who is the most toxic shit team principal who talking crap about Mick in the public whenever there are every chances for it. Mick situation is much more complex than what people would think but one thing for sure he already showed his potential and why he deserves F1 seat not because of his surname but because the talent he has like when Mick fighting with Max or Lewis in inferior car.
@@thejaiz8564 it doesn't matter how good the points and car, a team principal who cant forster a good enviorment, through discipline or friendliness, is bound for failure.
for what i've seen in the netflix series, he's quite the asshole
What went wrong for Mick was joining Haas. Although I wouldn’t say Mick is great, I would’ve given him 1 more season. Haas’s behavior towards Mick has been strange and it was evident that they wanted to aggressively get rid of him for the longest time.
Obvious.
He was a Ferrari imposition, not their pick.
I think most of people don't realize how short on money Haas is. The last thing they need is a driver costing millions in repair costs.
You do know that Haas has a very limited budget
@@Drakewyrm they could also earn more money by scoring more points with doing a proper strategy, not having reliability issues, and also not having Kmag destroy their chances by ruining a front wing on lap 1.
Haas are on a limited budget but it’s not fully on Mick costing them 5mil. They could very well be P6 in the championship if they played their cards right, but they didn’t.
@@Drakewyrm I'm definitely aware. I just thought that the whole crash argument didn't hold much weight since the early crashes have been quite some time ago but I also just remembered that Mick crashed in Suzuka Practice. Although with the MoneyGram sponsor I'm curious on how Haas is doing financially now
It also doesn’t help that nobody at HAAS had Mick’s back except maybe his Engineers. Every Month you’d hear an interview from someone at HAAS ridiculing and laying into Mick like he was the worst driver to ever get into a car. Hopefully he gets another chance at another team and wins big
KMAG said he didnt understand why they were getting rid of him and thought mick deserved to stay in his seat next season.
@@redhulk4048 when was this?
@@enigmatic13465 in an interview he did after I think Austin or Brazil
@@redhulk4048 He never said that
@@THEcrushdrone He did
They completely destroyed his self esteem by constantly telling him he is crashing too much and how expensive it is. Brazil is a good example, he just didn't feel secure enough to really push under wet conditions. A driver who is afraid of going to the limits can't be fast. In the last few races he seemed to be faster than KMag, at least during the race. And don't forget how often they fucked up his strategy and pit stops. It's a real shame and I hope he can come back, maybe with the new Audi team.
Fair, but on the other hand they are right to tell him those things - they can't afford to have those crashes and as a driver you have to be able to absorb that sort of pressure.
But he truly was crashing too much, especially under a budget cap.
Stop invoking him at Audi.
I am not cheering for a Schumacher in this or my next life.
@@tymoncebartowskii660 it's all good to tell him, but maybe don't do it in public. Some of the press conferences with steiner were borderline hostile
@@peergroth4563 Could you point out an example? I haven't come across that really, but maybe I've missed something
Still remember how Leclerc fans were calling Sainz a seat warmer for Mick..
Sainz is doing well enough in Ferrari.
Oh and btw. Hulk beat Sainz but somehow people think Nico is no better than Mick
@@Xzibitfreek how ferrari is doing rn, mick is better off not joining ferrari
Both Ferrari & Mercedes offered him a spot in their driver academy when he was in F3. He chose Ferrari which I think he regrets today.
Not only because he got dropped but because Ferrari as a team is a complete mess at the moment. They just don’t have the complete package to fight with RB & Merc in the long run.
Now, he may end up as a 3rd driver for Merc and maybe a Williams seat in a year or two.
So if you want to be a sucessful driver, never go to ferrari
@@marmedalmond9958 not in the way it is today, unfortunately.
And it took Nyck de Vries, the next poster child in that academy after Russell _three_ years after his title to get a seat in... the junior team of their main rivals, Red Bull. And even that was thanks to a lucky reserve role drop in at Monza. So I don't think he made the wrong choice at all, he got a seat in F1 immediately after his title win. That's what the point of an academy should be, not to let you rot on the sidelines for years (looking at you Alpine) but to get you a seat. The rest is up to you to prove yourself.
Mick reminds me of Stoffel, he was a good promising driver as well that realistically could have been given a third season in the team, but team politics screwed him over and he wasn't as good as his senior teammate when it really mattered.
The thing is though, the only drivers who get dropped by their teams are the ones that are not good enough. Mick got a fair shot and just didn't capitalize on it. The alternative was to never be given a shot at F1 to begin with like Illott and Schwartzman. I think he chose well.
@@nicklowe1815 i mean schumacher got into the ferrari academy in 2020 sort of. And the 2020 season is when ferrari became one insane clown show
See ther Merc academy: Ocon dropped for 1 year, GR needed 3 years to wait in a Williams (which was as bad as Haas in first year, and worse than Haas from season 2). And George is far ahead Mick. The Mercedes is full, no place for MS, Aston got Stroll and a big name, they don't need Mick. He can go to Williams, but remember, they even picked Logan without a license before Mick. And the Ferrari academy dropped him too. Mick's qualification pace is one of the worst in F1 roster (with Stroll and Latifi), and he can't really manage tyres too. He is good in sprints, that's all.
Haas is the wrong place for a young driver haas is fighting for survival....His first season he couldnt learn much....second season bad start and then the team giving him little to zero support and in the second half of the season he beat kmag nearly every race but because of the first few races nobody at haas cared...... he always improved but without confidence and support its impossible to keep your head up....
He shat on his fathers name
@@SD-mi2vc Wtf did you expect? For Mick to win races in that shitbox of a car, in order to "honour" his fathers name?
Even a Hamilton or a Verstappen would not have been able to do that, if they were sitting in a HAAS!
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Either way, HAAS were only somewhat "okay" at the beginning of the season and gradually lost performance in comparison to all the other teams. HAAS then, over the whole season, did only one single major update. HAAS eventually lost massive ground in performance after the first third of the season and did not recover at all, even stating that they would rather focus on the 2023 season instead.
In the last 2 thirds of the season HAAS were no longer competitive anymore and couldn't "easily" score points any longer. Despite of that fact, Mick still managed to become better and consistently outperfomed Kevin in these 2 last thirds of the season without any major incidents or crashes, whilst gradually improving more and more over time. HAAS also fucked over Micks potential chances of scoring points by bad strategy calls and or terrible pitstops multiple times throughout the entire season, and in Singapore Russell just completely ended Micks charge to the front.
On the other hand we have Kevin, who was on pace only in the first third of the season (where the car was somewhat competitive), and then fucked himself over with his stupid overaggressive driving (and his multiple unnecessary first lap incidents), which basically cost the team a lot of good potential race positions or points.
It was visibly obvious that HAAS wanted to get rid of Mick, and that Mick was only in the team because of Ferrari. We don't have the full picture of why this all happened as it did (maybe some personal issues, or some other type of unknown issue that hasn't been disclosed), but any sensible team with common sense and the ability to see reality would have sticked with Mick and would given him at the very least a 1 year contract extention for the 2023 season!
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Regardless of all of that, Mick made a mistake when joining HAAS, as he should have been rather at Alfa Romeo instead of HAAS in the first place, but apparently back then Ferrari had a contract clause with Giovinazzi that prevented that possibility. Thus many believed that Mick would have been promoted to Alfa Romeo for the 2022 season, but that team chose money over talent, as they had to pay a lot in order to get Bottas onboard, and needed some extra $€£ back through allowing Zhou to get a seat in F1 and bring in a huge chunk.
Still, the longterm game of HAAS is plain stupid.
What do they actually wish to accomplish by signing a "old" 35 year old driver, that was mediocre at best, and hasn't been in F1 for 3 whole years, and who will very likely be quite costly in terms of wages? So what is the longterm game of HAAS?
In comparison to Nico, Mick had much more potential, which he proved in the 2 later thirds of the 2022 season, where he made solid progress and beat Kevin consistently; Mick also showcased this quality throughout his entire career, from the juniors all the way up to F1, that with time he only gets better and better!
Funnily enough, HAAS apparently were also in talks with Ricciardo, a driver whose contract and wage would have been even bigger than that of Kevin and Hülkenberg and Mick combined, where did HAAS plan to get the money from to pay for Ricciardo?!
But as ridiculous as all this is, this is not really surprising:
HAAS are and always have been a stupid team to begin with. Their Rich Energy deal back in 2019, and the fact that they signed fucking Mazespin back in 2021, are evidence of that... HAAS are totally inept and painfully terrible in making the right decisions.
People always make fun of Ferrari, but god damn... look at HAAS, they are a bunch of clowns as well (who like to shoot themselves in the foot for fun)!!!
And yet Mick had 2 points scoring occasions and Kevin had 7. It doesn't matter if you beat your teammate for p17. It does matter if you beat them for p5.
well gunther also summed this up nicely. why should haas have to be patient and develop mick when they can find a suitable replacement that will be 1. up to speed and 2. not crash. you really have to think from haas's perspective. why spend all that extra money on repairs when the budget is already extremely tight and you can simply find a driver who can do mick's job better?
It’s such a shame that Haas waited until the last race to let Mick go. They should have said something back in the summer to give him a chance to go somewhere else. He’ll get his second chance, and I kind of wish it was with Williams or Alphaturi. A year off learning from Lewis and George will do wonders for him.
The main thing was definitely the amount of damages he cost for a team with a tiny budget
Thats right they could not develop any furher.
The thing is with the points that a lot of times when Mick was in points range, it was either a strategy mistake or like in Canada, the car has problems, he was very unlucky throughout the course of the season and Haas till now hasnt taken any of the responsebilities they should have after bottling a lot of his races, and believe me Ive looked at every result, they have bottled a lot like Mick is still ahead to K-mag in race h2h
Kevin is fucked by the stategies and slow pitstop too. Mick is behind Kmag because of strategies is not an excuse for his slow pace.
I think everyone is expecting Mick to be like Michael when he’s more like Ralf. Writing off 2 chassis and not having substantial speed is not good. Then him not destroying KMag on pace was probably the shining light against him.
People having too high expectations and not enough patience. He improved a lot over the season and in the 2nd half he was beating K-Mag quite a lot. He was faster at most weekends since Spa, even earlier (Austria, Silverstone) yet Haas decided to drop him. Yes, he had a few too many crashes, but they usually happened in wet conditions on tricky street circuits. He was going to keep improving and we do not yet know what his real ceiling is. Hope we get another chance to see it in 2024.
Zhou can't be benchmarked to highlight Schumacher...zhous car explodes every time he's on for a good result...and that's just reliability
same for mick
I think the main reason he has not performed well is mainly the missing confidence. Since he does not want to crash the car anymore he drives more conservatly instead of pushing 100%
But you see, that's wrong.
Yes he's had a slow start to the season till he found out how the car works.
Already before the half season he started outperforming Kevin and he was faster in most races in the end. Despite the team screwing him several times with strategy.
The issue between Mick's camp and Haas was the public criticism of Mick. Mick has always been well protected raising through the ranks. They aren't happy with the way the criticism has been done in public
Protected Because of his name
We can still hope for mick and seb at Audi in 2026
What insane amounts of copium. Yeah man I’m sure Audi is spending 400 million to enter the sport and will employ 2 drivers who have been out of f1 for 4 years just because of their nationality. Yep that sounds real
@@Danker19991 Mick can come back come on..
@@Danker19991 happened with Michael
2024 i think actually, audi will probably have 50% of the shares of sauber by then so they'll have a say in the driver lineup
Vettel will turn 39 in 2026 🤣
Great insight! Love your videos.
Zhou rarely crashes on his fault while Yuki still has the influence of Honda in the background
Hey good video, well written, liked and subbed!
Rewatched all the highlights, I can do KMag as well if you guys want. This was Mick's year pretty much. So many races where he was in the top 10 before the first round of pit stops. Same with KMag too.
GRAND PRIX RACE POSITION PTS REASON
Bahrain 11 0 Spun by Ocon
Saudi Arabia DNS 0 Crash in Qualy
Australia 13 0 No Pace
Emilia Romagna 17 0 Spin opening Lap
Miami 15 0 Sent it vs Vettel
Spain 14 0 Strategy
Monaco DNF 0 Crash
Azerbaijan 14 0 No Pace
Canada DNF 0 Engine Failure
Great Britain 8 4
Austria 6 8
France 15 0 No Pace
Hungary 14 0 Strat
Belgium 17 0 No Pace
Netherlands 13 0 Strat
Italy 12 0 Red Flagged
Singapore 13 0 Strat
Japan 17 0 Strat
United States 15 0 Strat, Dmg on Car
Mexico 16 0 No Pace
Brazil 13 0 Strat
Concerning amount of no pace...
Concerning amount of no pace
And concerning amount of points scored
@@lordsabre66 no pace in the car
@@pcbloxnews no pace in the car
Yes sure, on par with Yuki and Zhou pace wise. But repair bills wise hes the best at producing highest repair bills
I think the problem is Haas aren’t just recovering from 2021 but recovering from 2020 where all the Ferrari teams suffered from that lackluster PU. They need experienced drivers that could help develop the car rather than crash and while KMAG has issues keeping his front wing together he also caused less expensive damages meaning the team has more money to invest into R&D,
The frontwing problem that Kevin had was in fact a very little problem, An endplate that was getting a bit loose , but stayed on the wing because it was wired to the wing so it couldn´t fly off. But stewards decided to call him into pit and get it replaced anyway. So pretty harsh thing to do to him, which they didn´t do to several others with similar problems
He got dropped because even Ferrari thought it wasn’t worth it to keep paying for his seat and haas didn’t think paying a guy to crash a car was worth it
Good insights! Your video is a great complement to Tommo's one about drivers that can get in the way of Mick's return. Do you guys plan these things? Hahaha
Nice analysis Aldas.
In this case, I think Haas take a step in the right way. First of all, you need a driver to help in the development of a new car, with experience and good feedback when he go off the car.
Mick good credentials and talent aren't enough to a team with a limited budget. They need to take advantage of every buck expended, and that includes the drivers.
Also, Mick was responsible of a couple of crashes (some were big, some not) in this 2 years, which also were costly for the team and, when you are in a dire strait, you need to reduce crashes at its minimum. I think replace Mick is a good decision.
I doubt u will do this but I will love if u do a seb dedicated video over his career or whatever
Mick’s problem is that he IS a good driver… as long as his car is sticking to the track. A lot of his crashes (to me at least) seem to be a lack of ability to recover from loss of grip. I think his natural driving ability is just above the threshold of the VF-22’s limits, just enough to make it an issue that he crashes a lot.
he just wasent good enough for F1
He should’ve went to Alfa Romeo
Zhou is better.
There was no way Mick would've gone to that Haas shithole if the michael was with him.
@@kolour7611 That's not what the points data says.
God.
Please.
NO
@@miguelmota5980 Mick took advantage in Silverstone, ofc Mick got more points.
Mick doesn't seem work well with the Haas management. That's why they don't keep him.
I'm really gutted Micks out of f1, hes a really nice guy and much better than people give him credit for. I think Haas didn't give him a proper chance and alot of that was Steiner going against and bullying Mick. I hope Sauber offers him a seat for 2024 in the build up to become Audi because I don't think we've had a chance to see what Mick can actually do and I'd personally love to see him be able to prove that he's not in f1 because of his surname
The fact that Mick kept crashing on tight circuits hints that he is always driving on the limit. And by that I dont mean that he was pushing the car to great lenghts, but rather he was pushing himself so far that he couldnt maintain the concentration required to be a good F1 driver.
“Mick crashes too much.” How many Haas drivers have we said that about? Mick, Mazepin, Grosjean, even kmag. The car is a much bigger problem than the drivers. And GUNTHER is the main problem.
Grosjean was the master of Haas destruction. Mick just made some small dents and wrote one car off.
Mick has more damages than the top 3 combined in the last 2 years.
@@peterdevreter Mick cost Haas what 10 million, thats a full new package of updates that haas needed
1 thing i feel is that Haas are too big for their boots. They think they're a big team which sets unrealistic expectations for their drivers and staff. It also doesn't help that they lack the mindset of a big team and don't develop their drivers in any way.
From HAAS perspective Hulk is just much more useful. Two experienced drivers drive car development much further then an inconsistent rookie. In this particular situation, ignroing how it came to be, dropping Mick is the right decision for HAAS.
And both will run. Seeing they dislike each other.
@@LathropLdST They don't... there's a youtube clip showing them having fun about "Suck my balls mate"
Haas had the double experienced driver line up before, and they only got worse. The same will happen again.
They just go around in circles with old use by drivers.. must be time to sign Romain again .. Haas in 23 will be worst
@@donbrashsux the car was at its best with those 2
Both team and driver are the reason
Haas is not a great team in the first place feels like they could do a bit more for Mick but yeah car and management keep it near the back consistently
Mick is great but I personally felt like he wasn't really anything special
Talent is a very rare thing if you don't have it then theirs nothing you can do except hunker down and work
The sport moves fast and if you don't flash greatness you ain't staying
I could understand dropping Mick for a better driver but they're basically trading a $10 for two $5s
Hulk is a huge upgrade. Hulk carried midfield teams like Haas multiple times. Put Hulk in this years car and theres a good chance Haas finishes 6th and not 8th.
Hulk is a considerably faster driver than Magnussen and Mick couldnt even handle Magnussen.
Compare Magnussens 2016 and Hülkenbergs 2017 season and youll have a rough idea of each drivers talent as they both drove against Palmer.
@@Xzibitfreek Hulkenberg has a failed F1 career aswell stop hyping him up
@@herbertsavci228 Hulk is at the same lvl as Kmag, so what did Kmags F1 carrer also fail?
I feel like AR which he drove in a training session for would have been the better choice, if there was a seat open(for example Giovinazzi quitting 1 year earlier).
Steiner had no intention of keeping Mick so its inexcusable that he strung him along so long thinking he may still have a chance to stay.
I hope he can grab a seat in maybe WEC for a season while bring a reserve driver for a team
Haas. Haas is what went wrong. The fact that Guenther Steiner still has his job is the bigger problem - they claim that this year they have Moneygram to back them up so they can reach the cost cap and just needed somebody "consistent"; if there's no progress and they still keep Guenther, then that becomes a problem. Sure, one can talk about how Guenther made all these sponsorship deals to keep Haas afloat but that doesn't mean anything in Formula 1. We will see next year how good of a team Haas actually is or whether it's just some pipe dream.
They just used him so bad, poor dude want to work hard in F1 but they also did him dirty. He deserve a better place with safer people around, they know they can play with him because of his name cause if Mickael could say anything i think right now everything will be different. I just hope he will come back stronger in a better team.
That's the point of F1. Haas could've brought another driver In f1 now granted mick was a good driver he was still a liability for haas. That's just F1, you either perform or not. Similar thing happened to nick and alpha tauri. You need to be the best in f1, he may have beat people in f2 and f3 but when you reach f1 you are competing with people who are much more skilled and better at handling pressure. He still needs work which is why according to me he will join in 2025 at the most. Also I think haas would've never signed him if he wasnt coming in with any sponsors. The mere fact that he got sponsors was the reason haas had him. He kind of bought his way into an f1 seat which is always a bad strategy. You need to let the team select the driver if you buy yourself into a seat even indirectly you'll end up being used and thrown out of the sport.
what was missed out of the video that Mick got to know this week only that he is going giving him NO chance whatsoever to go after the remaining Williams seat
F1 is cruel. You had 2 season to show you're worth it. He has lagged in these 2 years. Meanwhile, nick de Vries had only one chance ND he has showed what he can do.
A curling child growing up and finaly face reality.
That is what happens when you run a formula 1 team on a nascar budget and expect the impossible from your drivers.
or maybe you expect your driver which have won F3 and F2 to be just a bit dicent behein the wheel of an F1 car
Mick's season wasn't worse than say Yuki or Zhou. At least not by much. The thing is that Haas is not an ideal team for a rookie to grow into, that's probablya fail on the Ferrari Driver Academy as they should've probably fight for a more suitable seat for him, such as Alfa Romeo. If you see Mick's performances on the second half of the season, he actually perfomed better overall between Magnussen and him. Kevin did get more points at the end and he did get that pole on Brazil. But thegeneral performance actually ahd Mick finishing ahead of him. We do have to consider that Kevin had all the confidence on having a seat next year and, generally, the better strategy at the end of the day. To be honest I'm sure Mick could've gotten like a P4 or the same pole that KMag did and Haas would've still changed him, but that's because the philosophy on the team is one of survival, not development and looking into the future. Also the relationship between driver-team was probably already broken beyond repair, not saying Mick or Guenther are at fault, but probably they just couldn't function 100% well now, also the pressure of havinbg the Schumacher name close.
I'm hoping Mick can get the Mercedes reserve driver because I believe he has shown enough to prove that he can become a solid driver and maybe even something else. For now his best bet is to point at the Williams or Sauber (soon to be Audi) seat. We'll see.
For now Mick has a lot of things to prove in order to get back. And Guenther has a lot to prove, especially now that he has the lineup he wanted, if the environment is just the same then probably we should start to also look at the head of the team instead of just the drivers.
I think comparing mick with yuki and zhou is wrong coz yk bottas and gasly are much harder teammates to score against compared to k mag. He is good but is he bottas or gasly good? No
As an athlete and driver, I can say that Mick is lucky to get away from Haas. He didn't do well at Haas. I like him, love him even, but Haas was never a right place for him. Talent can only grow if it's given that chance. Sometimes you need to change the environment around you, to actually grow and learn. A lot of that has to do with confidence, safety and trust, something Mick never had at Haas. We will see him back in F1 at some point and he will do better, but it might not be 2024.
Honestly Mick going to mercedes, as a test driver, is the best thing, right after being a full time driver for any other team, that can happen to him. Steiner is just sooo self centered and looking for being the center of attention himself fits that too. You need to handle these problems privately.
Good luck Merc with Mick cost you a lot of moneyWithout his last name he had never gotten into the F1
@@m.g.debruin8294 lol did his surname won f3 and f2, he is not only child of F1 driver, if jos was better people probably would say same about max lol
Think he deserved one more season but at a different team, would be interesting to see how he would get on at Williams or Alpha Tauri etc. They seem a lot better at building up rookies
Honestly think he'll end up as Mercedes reserve driver and they'll try to rehabilitate him. Then if Albon moves up the grid for 2024, they'll try and get him in at Williams. Think a nice supportive team principal like Jost would suit Mick down to the ground, look at how Albon has done this year and he was in a similar boat as Mick two years ago.
@@ciaranwalsh96 albon was a way better driver than Mick
Alfa Romeo, replacing Zhou, would have suited him next year. A calmer place and a small team with a future due to the Audi connection.
why? so he could cost haas even more monye?
@@weybye91 I said one more season but at a different team. Did you read the comment? 😂
He just kept crashing. I like that guy. Super real and awesome. Hulk will be an great replacement and not a boring choice at all
Kept crashing sounds like he crashed every second race which isnt true....if it was the Head to head race results with kmag would be way different
Kept crashing. So exactly like most Haas drivers? Maybe it’s THE CAR.
Idk why mick fans have to bring Zhou into this.
4:44 Ricciardo and Zhou might have scored a smaller part of the team´s points, but Ricciardo got dropped as well and Zhou is in his first season and had huge amounts of bad luck. Zhou also needs to improve, if he wants to stay in F1 for more than two years. I expect Tsunoda to be dropped at the end of the next season.
Zhou brings in a fuck ton of money and the Chinese market, he is below average driver at best
@@vuilbaardgames3280 Below average for an F1 driver is he for sure. Even someone like Gasly or Bottas is just an average F1 driver.
But at least Zhou doesn´t do stupid things like Schumacher, Tsunoda and Stroll.
Let´s see how he drives 2023. If he improves, he earns a cockpit for the time after 2023.
The thing is that Zhou is getting absolutely stomped by Bottas even when Bottas DNF's multiple times throughout a race. At best, Zhou puts on a sleeper of a performance and relies on the team's strategy over being on the limit.
So it is unfair for people to railroad Mick while saying "w-well, it is only Zhou's first season and he's had bad luck!!" It comes across as disingenuous, especially when Zhou hasn't put in a stellar performance at all while Bottas has consistently shown that the Alfa Romeo is a car that can fight with the Alpines and Mclarens for high point finishes.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Zhou did better in Qualifying against Bottas (8:14) than Schumacher against Magnussen (6:16) and I think, Bottas is way better than Magnussen.
Great video
I thought Mick had a few good races this year. I understand as part of financially it makes sense to find Hulkenburg, but Mick comes with big potential of not just performance, but also, fans, etc. Perhaps there could have been some arrangement, if you crash, you pay. Mick has plenty of financial support, but once you're out of the line up, it's hard to get back in. I was one of those who really wanted it to work out for him, but he's never had a decent car. Sad to see him "retire" with Seb.
If you crash you pay, that wont work with the cost cap and I wouldn‘t be surprised if mick fans aided HAAS‘ decision by the toxicity and hate they brought to the Team. They might caused more harm than good for the kid.
What's going to happen when the Hulk can't match Mick's pace?
Only scoring 12 points is for the Hulk an easyJet job!
Gunther will flip out, fire both drivers, find more new drivers who can’t drive the shittiest car on the grid, fire them, and so on.
@@sanderbhuis But will he outscore KM?
@@sanderbhuis2 races into 2023 i would say getting 12 points will be a hell of a job by how far ahead the Top 4 are. In fact even Alpine is still out of reach and probably Mclaren as well when they can get a normal race without bad luck and reliabilty problems
Part of me wonders how things turn out if Mick competes with David (his cousin, son of Ralf) on the same ground.
A diva who gets points is a LOT different than a Diva who crashes big time.
Lacked the absolute self belief of most racers. Should come back when he's toughened up
Should go to Sauber as a reserve driver
Mick won this season 13-8 in race finish pos. And kmags avarage placement is 13th and 5 dnfs to micks 3 so IF u take away micks 2 worst placements his avarage pos is 12.3 and counting all its 12.7.
and yet Kmag is the reason why HAAS gets to the budget cap next season, and can build a car thats competitive, and now without Mick they can make updates to the car
Easy answer: He kept crashing cars in an expensive way. Even worse than mazepin or latifi as far as how much damage to the car was done. Breaking muliple chassis each year in a team on the bottom half of the grid is not affordable if you arent getting regular podiums. It would be the same for Sauber. Zhou really impressed this year in reading the air/room despite me having a strong dislike for his home nation.
Dont crash the car comes first, speed comes second. Its possible he actually thinks being related to a talented f1 driver has some genetic supernatural ability to give his tires more grip or something.
This is how Nick Heidfeld and ironically, Nico Hulkenberg stayed in the sport despite not being superstars. To use a baseball analogy (a sport more similar to f1 than you'd think), when you learn you cant set world records for home runs, you learn to base hit. The former wins the glory, and the latter wins the game.
Without fixing their strategy problems, Haas continue to dream about better results.
How many times have they messed up their strategy and lose out on points for it?
Ferrari has shown that a good driver means nothing if you can't back him up with good strategy and a reliable car. If Haas is trying to do their best impression of Ferrari, they are doing a good job at it.
listen, when latifi got 3 years in f1, i have no doubt that mick could have had another year, and he would have progressed
the way i feel about mick is how i used to feel about albon when he left F1, I can't wait to see mick come back to F1
I think he won't be picked for a ling time, i am also hoping for him to get a chance.
I will question more🙏
I am pump for nick d but I was hoping mick would be at alpha t beside yuki. Mick is too nervous about damaging the car to be comfy enough to push. In my opinion.
Enough? Deserve? He crashed A LOT all season, costing a lot to a very low budget team, he even crashed in Brazil. Talking about Interlagos, in quali finishing LAST, meanwhile his team mate got POLE was the last nail in the coffin.
Haas was built on being a competitive midfield team not as a development team…the only reason Mick was there in the first place was to cut costs because they knew the cars were going to be bad.
If mick wanted room to grow than alpha romeo would have made more sense
He joined Haas instead of a competent team 😢
so why did HAAS compete for mid table before mick and mazapin?
I agree with your video. Maybe let me add a thought: I agree that his results were not good and the costly unneccesary crashes also added to the bad situaion. Additionaly I think his manager Sabine Kehm isnt a good manager in this stage of the career. So she is a former journalist who is very good kind of manage an established driver like his father was (and who kind of managed himself). But i think she is not good with Mick. The constant media attention and publicity for a driver who is bad and hasnt done anything kind sucked also. Ralfs comments didn help either.
Tbh he wouldn't have gotten a Ferrari seat since they saw that Sainz and Leclerc are such a strong couple (specially when the spaniard finished ahead of Charles in his first season with the team), so why would they replace one of the drivers at Ferrari🤷♂️
Magnussen is a better driver than he’s given credit for. He’s also Guenter’s boy 🤙🏼
What frustrates me most is Haas being so desperate to bin Mick off for 35 year-old Hulkenberg. If it was Ricciardo I’d get it. Some genuine star power. Hulk has had his day, and if he’s all they’ve got to bring in, why bother making the change when Mick is clearly getting better
Hope Mick gets another chance in 2024 but it’s gonna be a struggle
because Kmag can deliver the resaults, and dosent bitch and moan when it goes badly
Hulken berg is not a bad driver he is consistent. The only thing he doesn't have is podiums but he has brought in points.
Sadly for Mick, if his "entourage" doesn't change, no team is going to willingly take him on now. It's one thing if you're a genuine star driver, but frankly, he isn't one (at this level).
Also, remember that he left (was dropped from?) the Ferrari driver academy earlier this year, which hints to me that Ferrari don't have any intention of bringing him into their team.
I'm really saddened for him, as he genuinely seems to be a really lovely young gentleman (and I picked that word specifically. There aren't as many of them around these days, and it's a shame. No, I don't want neckbeards to get any ideas! I'm talking about his behaviour in general). The grid is lacking in gentlemanly behaviour these days. There are some true gents, but nowhere near as many as there used to be. Mick was setting a great example for future racers (in any type of racing) on how to behave on & off track. I genuinely wanted him to succeed, but the writing was on the wall in Monaco, and it surprised me that so many people are surprised by his not getting a contract renewal. 🤷🏻♀️
He's still part of the Ferrari Driver Academy as of now. If he leaves or is dropped, it will be by the end of the year.
Racing life and life are different. The story of his father is a lot in a situational sense and it's unfair to him.
9 months later and K-Mag drives the car with his new team mate Hülkenberg. Even if they qualify properly, they lose all the positions during the race, because the car is and has always been crap. They can start the season decent and then lose ground as the season goes on. Has always been like that, will always be like that. You can even let the best driver out there drive this car, and he would not score shit.
What would anyone do if they were in the shoes of Gunther Steiner..?
Mick has talent..but the sport demands consistency and effeciency..
But Mick was opposite.. he did have his good performances, but the amount of crashes in the 2 years would have seriously hurt Haas' development plans..
Plus the pressure from Gene Haas would be obvious.. KMag has his own demerits but has scored points on many occasions this season and capitalised on the good weekends better than Mick..
In favour of Mick, the strategic decisions from Haas haven't been top notch.. but on other occasions KMag did outperform him quite badly..
Hulkenberg is a proven midfield driver and is a very consistent point scorer and more importantly, crash resistant.. and Haas right now need consistent points rather than flashpoints to progress up the grid..
Mick has room to grow and learn i feel
Hopefully Mick can find a good spot in WEC or even Indy
One thing I think most people forgotten about, is that if Mick performs like a top driver, he will be much more likely to move to a bigger team himself rather than staying in Haas. So in Haas's perspective, there's no such thing as Mick being a long term investment because they, as a team, is simply still too small for any of that future talk.
It's the same with any other junior drivers as well, Haas would rather go for a safe option like Nico, and I bet Nico is probably quite cheap to hire for the amount of experience he has.
The thing is, Haas is a small fledgling team. They make mistakes and are still learning. The Schumacher name brings with it lot of expectation not only of Mick, but also Haas. Whenever the team messes up, they get a PR disaster instead of a little bit of sympathy. It's putting too much pressure on the team to perform perfectly
Still learning?!?!
Haas has been on the grid for about 8 years at this point! They have teams in other competitions too, they are NOT learning, that is exactly their problem!
Mick and Sargeant in the same team. That's what I'm waiting for
Talent
What went wrong for Mick Schumacher? Well the simple answer is Mick Schumacher.
The guy made 2 mistakes. First, cut ties with Ferrari, and second, crashed like there's no tomorrow and not like max or Sebastian who crashed in the earlier part of their career but also showed their raw pace.
I thought it close to career suicide at the time and Mick should have waited for the 2022 season and declined an offer from Haas.
Alfa or Williams would have signed him up at the end of 2021.
If Mick gets a reserve Merc seat then that's an upgrade on Haas.
But you can't blame him. He is young and was eager to drive an f1 car. Anyone would see that seat and jump on the offer. Heck if I was him I would jump at the offer from haas. But you're right patience would've got him a better seat.
I feel that Mick was acting a little too entitled mid season. He started saying weird stuff in interviews like he's better than KMag, Blah Blah Blah. He's never been comfortable in the car and had enough time to prove he belongs among the fastest drivers in the world. He overplayed his hand trying to grab a seat at Alpine and I think this was the final nail in the coffin for Haas. Not being greatful for having a seat when you clearly don't deserve it. The attitude towards a driver shows you a glimps of whats happening behind the scenes.
The worst thing for him was having a haas car at their peak of inconsistency
The first thing that went wrong was Alfa keeping Gio for a third season. Mick was definitely on his way to Alfa when Steiner had to look for sponsors and got 1&1 on board but they wanted a german driver. Thus Mick had zero chance to be competitive in his first year.
That was his mistake to be honest. Mick should've waited for a better seat. But I can see an f2 driver getting excited to go into f1.
can someone tell what the hell went wrong between ferrari and mick?? Because weren't they the one who put him there to develop him? and then something went sour or what happened??
They didn’t care about him enough to put him in a good team…
What went wrong is that Ferrari became a clown show that can't even sort itself out. Ferrari doesn't have the time to develop Mick. They are too busy gifting world championships to Red Bull and yelling at each other inside the paddock.
We watched Ralf Schumacher fail to achieve anything remotely close to his brother Michael. The public and the sport's insiders mistakenly attach expectations of performance to a family line. Christian Fittipaldi is another example of this mistaken expectation.
Michael Andretti is yet another example. Nothing close to his dad Mario's success in F1.
"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" this does NOT hold up in F1 or in sports generally.
The reason is this: there are too many things that are required to have unusually successful outcomes. It is not the brain alone, it is not the body/reflexes alone. It requires the right brain, the right body/reflexes, but the thinking process is a huge part and it is quite difficult to teach a thinking process.
"If I encounter this situation, I do this. And if I encounter this other condition, I do this other thing. And then if I am faced with situation X, I do Y, and if......"
You cannot teach a full set of proper planning, adjusting, acting, reacting, how to keep the team on your side, how to keep the car intact, etc. to someone. Too many variables.
Ralf could never copy Michael, neither can Mick, so it is a mistake to have outsized expectations.
Hülkenberg and Magnusson in one team will be very interesting
What went wrong is that people thought he was good because he was gapping Mazepin year one, then found out he was nowhere vs an average F1 driver in Magnussen. Pretty straightforward
But he is better than Magnussen
Think it depends, Mick had a lot of pace in the ladder half of the season but was in consistent at times, and he would have more points if HAAS wasn’t full of junior Ferrari strategist, I think we haven’t seen him actually develop enough, I think it should have been another year in the car, 2 years of being in an actual car definitely is enough to determine if he is good enough. I just think he got unlucky with the team he fell into to, but I don’t think we truly are able to determine if he is good or not yet. I hope he gets another year soon or later so we can actually see if he is good enough or not
@Macell Tavares nah
@Macell Tavares DId you not watch like any of the last half of the season? And don't just look at the results, look at how he's racing. Look at this and tell me he is not at least on par with KMag
@@royshavrick These people just look at the points and think Magnussen is way clear of Mick. Mick is faster than Magnussen but inconsistent and unlucky (strategies). It also doesnt help that the car was way worse in the second half of the season.
Let's not forget that Mick comfortably beat Magnussen in head to head racing results. So I wouldn't exactly call his results "bad." Mick only had 2 major crashes this year. Remember how much Max was crashing a few years back & people were writing him off? Mick has been progressing a lot & it's only his second year. In a good car, he can do very well.
Everybody can do very well in a good car 🙂
Mick did not outperform K-mag lol. Please get real down in Germany
Now we can all imagine what if Michael is not in his coma or whatever he is right now. With Michael it would've been a burial for Haas
No it wouldn‘t.
Lack of Talent finally exposed is his problem.
He joined Haas, that's what went wrong. Should've kept his links with Alfa Romeo, that would've been a far better option for him and I'm sure they realise that now.
What went wrong? Haas. The answer is haas
I think if he had had an different last name this video would have been harsher. But i guess it's ok considering the situation.