The real reasons Haas ditched Mick Schumacher for Nico Hulkenberg in F1
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After months of speculation, it’s finally been confirmed: Mick Schumacher will not race for Haas in 2023, with Nico Hulkenberg making a full-time return to Formula 1 in his place.
It’s a decision that’s been a long time coming given Hulkeberg was first linked to the seat in early September. Eponymous team owner Gene Haas and Guenther Steiner gave Schumacher every chance to prove himself, but ultimately decided not to keep him both for on and off-track reasons.
The second Haas seat alongside Kevin Magnussen was the last vacancy on the 2023 grid, meaning the full line-up for next season is in place.
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00:00 Schumacher out, Hulkenberg in
00:54 Why Schumacher was dropped
03:04 Did Mick deserve another chance?
06:02 Why Hulkenberg?
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Hilarious in regards to podium-stats, thatHaas now have the fastest F1 driver (rookie) to land a Podium with Magnussen and the oppesit with Hulkenberg.
Magnussen got P2 at his very first race in Melbourne.
In summary, he crashed too much
More like his crash is too expensive. Mick got less DNF than Kevin this season
@@swordsman1137 yeeh Kmags Dnfs are stuff like bang to the wall or broken wings or suspension. Micks were basically smash the car in half or stuff like that
@@wosse666 mick been very expensive 2 seasons lol
Yeah you need a summary comment on their videos, 10 minutes of fluff for a 30 second answer/analysis.
@@kirbyOP yeeh unfortunately. He is a likeable bloke, but yeh, when Haas can only dream reaching The budget cap. His car destruction is not helping at all
that's puts you in perspective how important it is to be a stable driver. a glimpse of raw pace doesn't pay the bill of destoyed cars. if you look at the rookie this season, Zhou Guanyu isn't the fastest rookie in recent years by any stretch of the imagination. but he scored points multiple times while making less unforced errors than 90% of rookies in recent years. and AR extended his contract with 1/3 of the season left. you can clearly see what kind of driver the teams want by examining the case of Mick and Guanyu.
Enjoyed your assessment.
Finally someone that mentioned Zhou's great performance. He is so underrated. Most if not all of the accidents he had were not his fault. It's just nice to see, so clean yet so good.
@@mrgforces honestly i wouldn't call him underrated overall. i mean he did change pretty much everyone's mind just after a few races. but his ability to push the car and not make it spin is indeed not very common in a rookie. usually his race pace is good during the first stint and slowly falls away after the first pit. he can be an ocon level driver as soon as next year once he gets more experience on management of tyre, battery charge etc. and frankly AR owes him a lot of track time.
Zhou is a better driver than Mick imo. Zhou is more comfortable in the machine
I think it really varies from team to team. I think Charles is a great example of a driver with extremely high pace but inconsistent from race to race. Ferrari couldn’t care less because they know that they as a team aren’t consistent enough to win a championship without some luck
We're going to have a drama season next year with Alonso-Stroll, Gasly-Ocon, Hulk-KMag and now Max and Checo as teammate's lol.
And Lec - Sai if Ferrari is competitive. Now that Carlos is catching up to speed
Looking forward to some tension at Mercedes as well, if they're up to speed from the beginning. Ham and Rus will both think they have a shot at becoming WDC.
There will always be tension between teammates. First and foremost, you have to beat your teammate
@@SektorNL right, if more than 2 teams fight for the championship, next year could be awesome lol
Dont worry, Checo will be behind 20-30 seconds after a few laps.
Im expecting a return from Mick similar to that of Albon's 1-2 years later, he is young, he has a huge name and sponsors, he can easily get a second chance later on, even Mercedes can train him, Ferrari failed to do so. Toto seem to be wanting the Schumacher brand in Mercedes.
@@Gutenburg100, 🤨
He is a great marketing asset.
Ferrari and Mercedes will not let that name go to waste even if he is not that fast. He is not slow, but needs to toughen up and not be complacent.
He deserves an F1 seat but Haas does not deserve him at this time, (they cannot afford him), so I don't blame either driver or Haas.
I agree
Audi seem to want to develop a very German team (Merc F1 headquarters are in England) so perhaps they will also consider him
@@g_over2221 He indeed has a name that's by then still big enough to have some influence in the decision Audi will make I rhink
I do think Mick's problem has always been that he has been kinda slow getting up to speed in new machinery, for instance his rookie season in F2 he was really nowhere at all finishing 150 points behind Latifi (which is a red flag in it self). Even in his Championship season he had a slow start, and barely beat Tsunoda who was a rookie.
Then this year he was also rather slow in the first half of the season, which is a big blow to Haas as the car in the beginning had potential for top 10 every weekend. And with how much the cars change being slow to adapt is not a trait any F1 driver should have. No matter how big potential they got. And personally i dont think that Mick has potential to be a Norris, Lerclerc, Russel or Verstappen.
These are really good points.
Nice 👍
In fairness to him the Prema car in 2019 was absolutely nowhere because the team were going through a big restructure and putting all their focus on Formula 3 which was why their car was 2 seconds faster than everything else, he also had Sean Geleal alongside him so… it’s similar to this year with Prema, because their focus is on ELMS and the main LMP2 championship, their focus on formula 2 has dropped off
How do you finish 150 points behind latifi
@@Spin24 because Latifi in total spent 7 seasons in GP2/ formula 2 through 3 sets of regulation changes with the same team, it’s the same way drivers like Markalov were challenging the likes of Russell and De Vries in 2018 or why Nissany finally got on the podium last season, gather enough experience in the category about how the tyre works, it’s enough to put you ahead of those with natural ability or calibre for a while which was why Latifi won the 3 opening races and then dropped off entirely
If Hulk makes a good comeback like Kmag in Haas next year will be fun. Sad for Mick but he is still young and can comeback and be a better driver.
Imagine being Hulkenberg with no wins or podiums and you find yourself at the wheel of a Haas after being out for two seasons.
@@dynamo1796 So what? It is not Haas' goal to get wins or podiums, but consistently compete in the mid-field. And do so cost-efficiently. Hulkenberg is a great driver for that!
Mick crashed cars worth 3 million US-$ just this season....
@@dynamo1796 the reason why Is that Hulkenberg did not spent as much as Schumacher in crash expenses in just 2 season and score many more points. Schumacher is not talented enough to be in F1.
lol. Why do you clowns insist on bringing back that no talent bum back? He’s washed up and there is plenty more talent they’d choose over him.
@@odeszaa why do you insist on backing up a kid unable to drive the car at safety car speed without Hitting the walls ?
He has shown he can drive. Financially, it wasn't viable for haas to keep him on with the bills he racked up. I hope he goes to Mercedes as a reserve and perfects his craft.
No he has shown he can drive slowly and make lots of mistakes. That's kinda the opposite to a good F1 driver. If he was fast no one would care about the crashes. But he's not. The stop watch doesn't lie. 2 years in F1 is enough to find that out.
@@robert7622 yet he finished ahead of Kevin more often than not
@@robert7622 he's driving to the limit of the car (which is slow to begin with). when he drives the car over it's limit, he crashes big. if Haas and Steiner could afford to give him a worthy car, that has higher limits... that isn't so knife-edged in how it reacts to inputs, that isn't so inconsistent... maybe we'd see the genius that is Schumacher come out of him. he needs a better team. Merc reserve driver would suit him, and give him the experience he needs to come back to the grid.
He's jus not good enough, if Haas could give him a better car? Maybe if he stopped crashing they'd have the budget to do so 🤷 2 years barely an improvement and how much in damages? £5 to £10 mill 🙄
@@padoosh28 you cant even consider the 2021 season. the car had to lift off the throttle where most cars, even the Williams would go flat out. it was effectively formula 1.5. He should have scored good points in the first race of the season if ocon didn't spin him around. he could build momentum on that. he also missed 8 points in Canada. He was screwed over countless times by haas strategy. His result don't reflect the season he had
Haas has changed more than any other team from 2021 to 2023.
Yeah… it’s a shame 😢
But it is necessary for a team that needs to make decisions based on finances to be able to stay in the game
If just they had a bigger budget the decisions they made so far would be different I think
What about Alfa romeo
@@JCA16 Alfa Romeo also made quite a frequent driver change.
@@orangesonicc big shame.
Nope, they are doing way less than I expected 😅
I remember when they chose to start Mazepin and Schumacher and they were very excited because they had two rookies and expected that one of them would be a great driver. Long story short, they ended up sacking them both for a bunch of old guys.
Lmao haas is a bunch of clowns
Im old, and thats funny 😆👍
Haas team needs to stick with drivers from the USA, that's all.
Going from looking like legends to a bunch of wankers quick
Just a terrible team. They have a clown as a head of the team and they constantly blame their drivers for their own incapability, because they can't build a decent car to get in that p5-p8 range in years. They celebrated Magnussen's pole, like he won a championship and in the end ended with 1 point from the sprit. And that point was pure luck. Mick did have his crashes and that is valid. But they have screwed his race multiple times. At least 5-6 times this year I thought "Hey, look at Mick at 9th or 10th place, even after the tyre change, looking pretty good" and somehow he finishes the race only in front of Latifi...idiots.
Using his interlagos qualification as an example is a bit unfair. He had an excellent sprint and was in points contention for a good part of the race. The second part of the season he started to outperform magnussen more consistently but at that but the car became to slow to score points
he outperformed magnussen? when?
He was in point contention just because he didn't pit at the moment and the others did
Outperformed Magnussen? Mick couldnt even make it past the P10 barrier in the race
@@Blackmourne1 he’s 9-6 in finishes higher than magnussen in races that they both didn’t dnf, 13-7 in all races this season (besides abu dhabi of course). his qualifying isn’t great, but he has almost consistently outperformed magnussen after the summer break.
@@Blackmourne1 At the race end when noone of them had a DNF he was ahead more than behind Magnussen.
lol that pole was by chance. Where did Haas End up after Sprint Race ???
I think Mick will be back. Fingers crossed he can find a suitable third driver role with a top team. This worked well for Massa and Alonso who hardly set the world alight on their debuts.
Looking forward to seeing Hulkenberg back. It will be interesting to see if he can quickly get back up to speed. It reminds me of ALex Wurz landing a drive with Williams after years in the wilderness as a test driver. Don't forget Wurz achieved a podium that year!
2023 Mick Schumacher gonna be down to NASCAR Xfinity Series.
With his father's name, Mick will surely be back.
Mick's biggest problem is his surname....and the expectations that go along with it.
Also the fact that his crashes cost a lot of money...
Without that name he would still be in F2. It's only the fact that he got those Schumacher genes that anyone is still willing to give him a chance.
@@Tomas-80 Yip, that made a dent in the budget for sure.
@@bipolarminddroppings sad but true.
@@bipolarminddroppings Actually he wouldn't because he won the championship.
"The one thing Schumacher has on his side is youth"
The name certainly helps too, and he does have the money behind him
I can’t believe they kept Grosjean that found a new way to crash every week but they were desperate to get rid of a young talent, hopefully Mick will improve on his year out
Because R8G has pace
Romain actually had pace that Schumacher never had.
I guess they’ve learned from their mistakes
Yeah, and we would rag on Haas. Now they learned their lesson not to waste time or money hoping they would improve.
Romains crashes meant less because there was no cost cap, while Micks crashes have a very heavy $ sign next to them.
he reminds me of stoffel vandoorne, just not able to show how fast he really is in a team that wasn't as supportive as they could have been and ending up with very little to show for it. really hope his career goes to better places
If a team doesn’t make selfish decisions, they will go broke while entertaining their driver
Could not agree more!
@@f1bigmoments2 Given the relative car performance, Haas wouldn't be fighting AT in the standings if they had good strategies or car development. They were way ahead of AT at the start of the season and is somehow 2 points ahead of AT now with very similar points breakdown between their drivers(Haas: Kmag with 25 pts, Mick with 12 points. AT: Gasly with 23 pts, Tsunoda with 12 pts).
Haas has way bigger problems than Mick alone. Swapping Mick out means nothing if their strategies continue to be ferrari tier.
@@junsengjs I agree, HAAS is lacking in strategy as opposed to lacking a good car
@@f1bigmoments2 And its made even more glaringly obvious when you realise that AT has had a bad car from the start of the year.
While AT's performance has been very lackluster overall this year, Haas just kept falling backwards till they are fighting AT in the standings despite having a car that can fight for midfield positions.
The problem at Haas isn't Schumacher. It's Steiner. He's not been able to lift any outfit he has been a team boss of above 5th and has consistently had them underperforming and finished typically 7th or 8th. He's also been counter productive in trying to develop driving talent while also giving preference to mediocre/over the hill drivers. This is evident in his time at Jaguar when he didn't sign Dario Franchitti and slogged off Justin Wilson in favor of the mediocre line up of a middling Pedro De La Rosa and a past his prime Eddie Irvine.
Yeah, did you listen to the podcast about Dario's Jag F1 test? Dario said they weren't exactly helpful or welcoming.
Hey don't disrespect the legend De La Rosa. He still holds the fastest lap in Bahrain 🧐
Yea, i also think Steiner has a grudge.. He is getting full of him self(Steiner), after Haas became Ferrari light
No, the reason ist that the Schumacher family and mick are too overbearing, especially Corinna. Doesn’t seem to, but it is. And the German media got on steiners/haas nerves.
Bro, irvine made a podium in Monaco in that average Jaguar behind the ferraris. Give some respect. Irvine is criminally underrated as a driver, i'm not even a fan but i am saying this.
I have a feeling he'll come back strong. This may well be a blessing in disguise; he has the potential and mindset to keep improving. Yes, his scenario wasn't ideal and the crashes are rough for any team to afford. However, as long as he keep pushing himself and doesn't give up, Mick will be back one day (whether it's in 2024 or beyond).
Boy this video was on drafts eh
I think another reason why they have chosen Nicolas is because he is german and this will keep sponsoring of 1&1 at least at the same level as it would be with Mick. I remember the negotiation of Haas with 1&1 and they said explicitely they want to have a german driver and will potentially increase their sponsoring thereafter...
His name is Nico…
@@justinburley8659 no his Name is Nicolas Hülkenberg.. Nico is the short version of Nicolas!!
@@justinburley8659 Bruhhh
man hearing they considered Vandoorne and he didnt get his 2 chanse really makes me sad
kevin & stoffel woulda been a great line up
They did not give Schumacher every chance. Every single time he was in the points they screwed up with strategy. I'm actually glad he's left, maybe he can join a team that cares about development.
Haas is where careers go to die. Mick deserves better.
@@quigglyz exactly, there hasn't been a single driver from Haas that has been promoted to a better team.
@@honeybadger1656 agreed that they screw up on the strategies often. But in the same car and same team, he still didn't score half the points of his partner.
Besides, I don't think this is about the racing, but about crashing. They prefer a bit slower but safer with less crashing. And that isn't up for debate. It's their money and car. They can decide for themselves who should be put in it.
This is pure marketing and politics. Not about winning Championships
I always thought Haas was never going to extract the potential in rookie drivers. Steiner, as much as fans love him, is a piece of work and isn't the easiest TP to work under. I do believe Mick has been linked to Audi since they revealed their plans to buy Sauber, and giving Mick's links to Alfa Romeo in the past I can definitely see him taking a reserve drive or a future seat there before Audi take over. Audi have said they want a German driver when they enter the F1 grid, so leaving Haas could be a good thing for Mick imo.
I think the points situation is a bit of a false sign. Kevin had a good start to the season when Mercedes and Mclaren where struggling for pace and Alpine for reliability. Schumacher didn't really get up to speed until halfway through the season, by that time they had gone from maybe the 4th fastest car to the 7th. Apart from Brazil Mick has been pretty much as fast as Kevin in the second half of the season.
Finally the 'real reason'.... Oh, he crashed to much and his team mate is faster, I would never have thought that. So glad I now know the 'real reason'!
:D
I think this deserves a 5 part mini series...
The real reason is that he got unlucky. Mick would have found a seat if Logan Sargent wasn't American or Zhou didn't have billions of dollars. Tsunoda scored just as much this season in a alpha tauri so what's your point?
"His teammate is faster"
At the start of the season, sure. But in the mid season from Spain to Singapore, mick was consistently finishing ahead of kmag.
@@yourwiiddealer4388 Finishing ahead means nothing in F1 if you aren’t in top 10 - what matters is points and qualify results.
Anyone else thinking about Hulk and Kmag being on the same team and just picture the interview where Hulk interrupted Kmag to tell him he's "the most unsporting driver on the grid" and Kmag just said "suck my balls mate" 😂
Haas is a team where F1 careers go to die. From Schumacher to Grosjean, hell, even Magnussen would be out of F1 if it wasn't for them having to replace Mazepin at the beginning of the season. A bad owner who doesn't want to invest money into the sport, a team principal who can't keep his mouth shut when he needs to and in consequence creates a toxic working environment for everyone around him (as much as Steiner is a good personality for the sport, his abilities as team principal are rather suboptimal), and ready is the concoction that is Haas F1.
I've seen a great analogy today, I'll just copy it here: "Haas is like that first real job out of college where it's the first time you're earning big-boy money and have a nice job title. Except you find out that the work culture is hell, pay is bad and there's no professional development. There's no career advancement if you stay and the company lurches from crisis to crisis because they don't have a solid foundation to stand on."
Case in point, the sooner Gene sells the team to anybody who actually wants to do anything of substance in the sport, the better.
Omg Giovinazzi always fails when its crutial. Like few years ago in Spa when he crashed out in last lap while in 7th position for Alfa Romeo, I could imagine talk with the team after the race
I'm glad he didn't replace Mick tho
He has struggled badly in Formula E this year.
They failed to prevent Grosjean and Magnussen from causing conflict between each other, they chose Mazepin over other top young talents and now they've given up on Mick.
I feel like Mick's underperformance has more to do with the environment at HAAS than it does with his skills.
I'd be surprised if Hulk could achieve more in the HAAS than what Mick could do.
Mick has beat Kmag 12 to 9 this year. Also Mick has 3 DNFs this year, KMag has 4
bro they chose Mazepin cause of money. It’s been two years and he’s been sacked with his sponsor but somehow people lie you don’t get it
Massive big cope, Mick just isn't good enough
@@Lora_Beolab then so is not Kmag lol
I suggest you watch any video describing how much money his crashes have cost the team FYI it's more than mazapin
I just don't understand where the assumption Hulk will be more reliable comes from. He's not driven a full season since 2019, we can see how quickly form turns. Build a better car that Mick doesn't need to over drive and guess what he probably scores points and crashes less.
yeah, in Austria we saw what he can do when car is good, but in many other races Haas was one of the worst cars or even the worst car in Spa, Monza and Mexico...
@@MarshallGA12 they don't mention the car didn't get upgraded so how could he make up the points later in the season etc?
As much as I hate to say it, he crashed more than Zhou, especially when you consider crashes due to their own fault.
Nobody still talks down to Zhou anymore because he is a pay driver. Stay close to Bottas isn't that easy.
Zhou had some of the best overtakes in F2. Really brave but controlled moves. Totally understood the move to sign him from a marketing point of view but also skillwise. His first season in f1 now was very much all right had there be not those dnf's due to reliability
It's not the crashes, it's the speed. He is clearly slower then Magnesson. And magnesson is not regarded as super fast.
Zhou has probably been the new best rookie in formula 1 since the Leclerc/Norris/Albon/Russel era. Stronger than Tsunoda, Latifi, Schumacher, Mazepin
@@lassereden7785 yep. Ren Hazuki and Mia Taylor both also crashed as frequently as Mick Schumacher.
zhou only 2 crashes his fault
Let’s be real about Haas. The car was competitive before the other teams started upgrading their cars. After the upgrades came in Haas no longer had a competition car. Non competitive car equals poor results no matter the driver behind the wheel. This was reflected in the Brazilian sprint race, look at how Magnussen went from 1st to 8th. That was a reality check. Haas need more investors so they can spend money making a better car. I would prioritize that over getting more experienced drivers.
Listen, Sargeant is a great driver, but I really want Williams to sign Mick, It isnt that much of a step back and he will have a full time seat atleast, im not against Sargeant as we could have the most exciting line up of rookies since 2019, but no Seb and no Mick just makes F1 kinda feel empty
Williams is an absolute pathetic joke that sold its soul, the only reason why they want Logan is for his american nationality. Schumacher deserves that seat way more but somehow because he’s not “american” he is not on the radar.
Sargeant is all but at this point. He has to stay in the top six in F2 this weekend. As much as I want Mick to stay, I'm going with Sargeant.
No it won't lol.
No. he'll simply go from crashing too much in a haas to crashing too much in a Williams these back marker teams don't need that financial liability
I rather not F1 go down to 9 team because of Mick not know what the fuck he's doing as they're already dead last at some races and with him he'll be crashing even more making Williams the first time in quite awhile to run a 1 car team given the liability he is
It is most likely not his race performance in general that is the issue, since Tsunoda, who is also in his 2nd year, has the same amount of points in an Alpha Tauri. It's most likely something else.
@Mr. Reese The video hinted at the "off track" aspect but failed to expound on the subject any further.
Two completely different situations. AT develops youth, there was no new talent to replace yuki, honda are returning, they didn't want two new drivers, yuki's contract wasn't about to expire e.t.c.
Yuki doesn't crash every two weeks.
Its speed. That's all it is. He just isn't that quick.
@@robert7622 Agreed. Kmag is supposed to be the minimum bar for Schumacher to pass and he got less than half his points.
Welcome to Formula E Mick, and welcome to DTM in 2024, and welcome to Sky Sports in 2025
He could go to Wec...Ferrari will race on the Hypercar category next year...
At least crashing in formula E can win races 😂😂
Most of the Formula E seats are but confirmed so he might not even get into Formula E
Albono made his way back into F1 from DTM, so not a bad series when also doing some F1 sim duties. He should look for a reserve role somewhere.
@@voongnz Albon made his way back into F1 because of Red Bull’s backing. Had nothing to do with DTM. But I agree a reserve role is probably where he’ll end up.
In most other teams the crashes would be forgivable or if mick had lightning speed . But unfortunately he wasn’t that quick and the team need every dolllar they could spare. The team couldn’t develop at all this year due to covering his repairs which were more like rebuilds cos he totalled the car each time
Other than crashes, he has been fucked completely consistently by Haas strategies and consistently mechanical failures in FP. But when the stars align he has shown he is good enough to be on the grid.
Yeah but unfortunately he isn't that kind of driver who is good enough with the stars don't align. F1 teams value those kinds of drivers a lot.
Just want that Hulkenberg podium now.
Mick needs to mature and maybe a couple of years as an understudy at a top team will be good for him.
Haas going back to an experienced line-up like the Grosjean/Magnussen days because they need drivers who will outperform the car.
Hulk had time enough but he didn't find the way to the podium... and the worst is that he will not in 23 season....
It will take something really special to take the Haas to a podium.
@@soundscape26 Yea like a Hamilton, or a Alonso, or a Verstaphen or a Norris? Maybe a Russell? or a Ricardio? Oh and what about a Le clerc? Then there's Vettel... All these drivers did something special in either their first or second season to show they had the speed. Mick has not.
@@robert7622 I'm referring to the car more than the drivers. Either the 2023 is a real improvement on the 2022 one, or I can't see a Haas getting a podium, nevermind who drives it.
Some serious copium here
Hulk is one of my favourite drivers and I’m super excited to see him back on grid
me too! hate the argument most wannabe smart-asses make with his record of non-podiums. they ignore his performances just to unnecessarily hate on him
hulkenberg is only going to crash when he's in a podium position, so that's an improvement over mick, surely
so he's not going to crash at all because Haas won't be anywhere near the podium places
or get crashed into like that one time in interlagos :(
How can Latifi last longer in F1 than Mick? 🥴
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I just think that the rookie we have in the past 5 years are just exceptional. Unless you prove yourself in the first couple of years or you’re not gonna make it. All of that crashes probably screwed him up mentally since his career is on the line. Instead of trying being as fast as possible his focus is getting the car back safely. Hoping for albon type of miracle for mick but then albon is a redbull driver.
The crashing yes, the 12-25 points no, Haas had some silly strategies at times with Mick costing him speed. Better get a new strategist then too!
honestly, Guenther Steiner is the real reason for Haas' underperformance. I hope Mick finds a good team to work for and ultimately return to the grid.
So now we know that no matter how good a car Haas will have next year only one driver can potentially get on the podium.
Hopefully Hulk will get a podium next season
This is a big OOOF
Schumacher would crash before the end of the race so at leash Hulk will finish.
Haas won't have a car that starts next season with a year's development ahead of the field like in 2022. They've shown consistently that their lack of finances means a slow development of upgrades during the racing season.
And the only one that can do that is *Goatifi*
There have been big points deltas between some teammates this year. Vettel and Norris have outscored Stroll and Ricciardo 3:1 and Bottas' points per race is 8:1 against Zhou. By that measure Mick hasn't at all been the worst, (though it is worth remembering that's slightly skewed by KMag throwing away some extremely lucrative points positions with silly incidents) but with Ferrari withdrawing their backing this was inevitable regardless of the performance or repair bills. (Also, Mick being handily beaten by Kevin shines an extra bright light on just how inept Mazepin was last year. KMag is far from an awful driver but let's face it, he's no Lewis/Max.)
I don’t think Steiner is a manager I would want to work for. I do agree with Ralph Schumachers view on him
It will be great to have Nico back in F1 next year. The pit lane has missed his smiling face and cheerful disposition, and with the expected improvements to the 2023 Haas car, he should start to do do reasonably well.
Too bad Mick's dad wasn't able to buy a struggling F1 team. He would be guaranteed a lengthy career.
Then people would probably dislike him for riding on the coat tails of the Schumacher name. He deserves it more than Lance though, imo
@@goatifi5190 Damn right he does.
@@goatifi5190 In Lance’s first two years he became the youngest rookie to score a podium and the youngest driver to start on the front row. He definitely deserved it more than Schumacher even if his edges may have been rougher at the time
that team wouldn't have provided a rubbish car like Haas has provided ssince their inception. Mick would have been much better suited to a more consistent car, from a team that knows what F1 is about... not a NASCAR owner trying to strongarm his way into the pinnacle of motorsport with a subpar budget and no real sponsorship. Gene Haas has no business in F1.
@@justinburley8659 in a Haas! Lance did that in a hass? Really? What? not in a hass but a very good car? Then what's your point?
Haas was the worst thing that could have happened to Schumacher. Last year was just a waste for everyone involved with Haas and this year, he had a lot of great drives, that nobody noticed because they completely fucked up the strategy or simply had a bad car that weekend. Just take this video as an example. The Interlagos quali wasn't because he was too conservative, but because they fucked up his out lap, putting him into the middle of traffic, not allowing him to get any heat into the tires. Obviously you don't notice any of this if you don't keep an eye on what is happening with his races, however if you were, you would be aware that he was clearly outperforming K-Mag on sundays.
But I'm glad they hired Hulk. At least Gene Haas can't ruin his career.
100% true. He had to let two drivers pass in the last corners and had to go into the wet. Tire temperature was gone at this moment and nothing he can do.
I think Mick was not treated the same as Magnussen was treated. Much more pressure on him from Haas side / Günther Steiner but still looking for driver faults only.
H2H races is clearly in favor of Mick - is Haas not wondering why he hasn't more points than Kevin? The car was not competitve for like 12 races to earn points.
I am kind of glad this netflix shitshow is over there for Mick.
Best of luck to Mick.
Not everyone have the same mental capacity when dealing with a certain type of boss. I'm not saying Guenther is bad boss but sometimes certain workers just couldn't riff the same way their boss acts. KMag is doing well right now because he has work with Guenther and knows how to deal with him. Mick is like a fresh graduate that has a lot of potential but his first company is paired with a lousy coworker (Mazespin) and a shouting boss. Not to mention not having his dad to be there with him and the only solace he could get is with Seb for the time being. I feel bad for Mick, I really do. I'm sure if he were to be in an AlphaTauri, Alfa, or Williams as a starting point, he would be more of a develop driver now.
that both KM and NH both can trust Gunter after his previous antics, is outstanding.
Money talks
They don’t but its a seat in F1 for 2 drivers who only 1 year ago had zero chance to be back it seemed like
I like Mick and loved his dad, but sadly this is the right call. Let's go, Hulk!!!
That "off track" issues section was about as cryptic and unhelpful as possible.
Haas decided on kicking him out after the first third of the season because of his crashes.
After that, you could see how they effed up his pit stop strategies on purpose so he had no chance to prove himself. I mean, keeping him on wets for 5 laps at Suzuka when the track is drying up? What do you expect?
Yup. I read somewhere they said he'd have to win a race. Isa joke they ever wanted to keep him at all
@@titancheat Steiner said yesterday that even a pole position in Brazil would not have saved his seat... The team leadership is really bad. They decided so long ago, but still didnt tell him.
Mick's selling point is his name.....Mick's downfall is his name! He is a very likeable guy and maybe if he gets a development drive at say Mercedes for a year or two and then gets back into a team he will be better prepared and improved. But I think too many people expected too much just because of his surname. The other problem is we all complain there are no seats for young drivers (look at the Piastri fiasco of not having a drive at Alpine etc) and so will any sets just be taken by new talent coming through from F2 rather than thee drivers in development roles? Then again.....look at Nyck!
CART/IndyCar has liked to pick up famous names of less famous relatives in the past, like Juan Manuel Fangio II, PJ Jones (son of Parnelli), Jacques Villeneuve (brother of Gilles, not son), Johnny & Robbie Unser, Christian Fittipaldi, Thomas Scheckter, etc. Why not add Schumacher to the list?
To me it's sad no one has tried to boost his self-confidence, his self-esteem, and self-belief in himself. All he gets is negative feedback.
after crashing heavily ?
And Mazepin got positive feedback?
Mazepin literally broke down in tears in Brazil 2021 after failing to beat Micks quali lap because of a small mistake.
I think this was a good thing for Mick. It gets him out of Haas and opens him up to a reserve seat in the higher teams. He needs a good teammate like Seb, Alonso, or Bottas to bring him to the next level and more seat time. Hopefully he gets there and keeps the car on track.
I think the reality is that he isnt a championship driver and thats OK. However the expectation and pressure of being the namesake of one of the sports greatest drivers. I think people become let down by the performance. When in reality he cant be his father, he can only be himself. He can be a consistent midfield, points scoring driver with a slightly faster car & some solid driver development. Meanwhile Nico will be a serious driver that will extract the most from the car he can
I don't care if they don't want Mick anymore. the way you communicated it just shows the mindset of the executive floor. the public bashing and steiner as a total failure of character
Personally I think it’s a bit harsh, after all ‘22 has in reality been Mick’s one and only proper season, last year’s Haas having been so far off the pace.
It’s also rather sad not to have the Schumacher name on the grid.
Forza Mick!
If you put a patient driver under huge amount of pressure as HAAS did, he will start making mistakes, which will get him under even more pressure. HAAS failed to work with him, instead of working with him, they added more and more pressure and this is the result. The support for Mick was never there. In Alpha Tauri, they did a good job with Tsunoda, calming him down, his consistency improved, if Mick got the same treatment, I'd say he would be in much better position now.
So it's Hass fault that he was slower then Magnussen? You're acting that in the races that Mick didnt make mistakes in he was really quick! He wasn't! Magnussen actually made more mistakes and DNFs then Mick. The stop watch doesn't lie
@@robert7622 sure, he was slower, but he's younger, has much less experience and was put under huge amount of pressure from haas. In the end it seems like they didnt really try to help him get in the zone. All the announcements were only about how he has to score points, how he has to start performing, how he's much worse and slower than Magnusen etc. It's hard to get better in that kind of environment, when team is pushing instead of supporting.
@@georgevana he wasnt really slower most of the times. he even finished in front of kmag more often then the other way around.
@@georgevana Every new F1 driver is young! and under pressure! Thinking about it Lewis Hamilton and Vettel were younger then Mick s now when they became world champions at 23 lol..
One word: 'Haas'
Mick has been regularly faster than Kmag throughout the 2nd half of the season while Haas never developed the car and have often screwed up Mick's strategy
That's more than one word
@@elcactusdelamuerte506 haas is more then one word? interesting
@@jamesmaier5544 he edited his comment. It was originally
One word haas mick has been a regular ….
So everything he’s wrote out above with no punctuation and all next to each other
@@jamesmaier5544 I added an extra line since apparently 1 blank line wasn't enough to seperate 'haas' and the rest of the text
I could see Mick in the reserve seat at Mercedes!
Sure
Yes please! I will start supporting any team that gives Mick a real oppertunity.
Why not Ferrari ?
@@iamwhatiam5091 because he is no longer part of the Ferrari program + it would be the best place for him to learn in a winning environment and then be in line to join Porsche in 2026
For how long you already got that video ?
Mick totally deserved to conserve his seat. He has been consistent since Canada, beating Magnussen on regular basis but have been let down by the team so many times with bad strategies, botched pit stop.
This is bullshit - Mick has been out qualified 16 times out of 21 races. Mick has 12 points, Magnussen has 21 and Magnussen was pulled out to change a wing 3 times, spoiling the races for him. I like Mick and I think he could have potential and I think he deserves a drive for next season so he can develop, but I do understand Haas because all of all the crashes and not bringing home points for them.
@@Tomas-80 out of the 21 points Mag scored, how much come from Bahrain? 10, so only 11 points in the next 20 races, 9 in the last 19 races compare to Mick 12. In Quali, since Canada I said, he is just around 0.180s in average behind so it is pretty close and in the races, he had the upper hand, better race craft and tire management. And you said it. Mag had to change 3 times his wing thanks to being over agressive while being in the point. He cost Haas between 5 and 10 points just because of that.
And thanks to all the craches? 2 crash in 21 races, it is not that much let be honest. Costly for sure but don't forget that last year doesn't enable him to drive the car against other, to fight for something. This was his proper rookie season..
I can also understand Haas but how will Hulk do in a 24 races calendar without having a full season since 2019! That's a big risk to take while Mick was obviously on a upward trajectory.
Good to see KMag and Nico back in F1.
Not really, they're has-beens, I would rather see up and coming talented young drivers given the opportunity.
@@DEE-qu5mc oh u dont want a kevin and nico lineup bc there oLd rather u want to see yOuNg dRiVeRs in haas when mick had lower points and cause the team 3million dollars in crash
If you are going to fire a driver whos in his 2nd year in F1,half of the grid wouldn't be there in the first place.
I hope he can recover this mentally cuz ı dont want to remember him like wasted potential.
Half the grid proved themself as beneficial in someway within two years. Even latifi despite not being a good driver benefited the Williams teams by keeping the lights on. What did Mick do? Didn't perform in the car, cost money in crashed and clashes with management. Only upside was the 1&1 sponsorship, that Haas could survive without (and given their demands were for a German driver, guessing hulk fits the bill for them anyway)
Mazepin had only 1 year in a bad car and was yeeted despite paying 2022 seat and development money. Unlike Mazepin, Schumacher has had time to prove himself against a driver that was out of F1 but continues to completely total his cars.
I was really hoping he would stay. He has his good races and could have a redemption season like Albon this year and Gasly 2020. But he was consistent in his finishes outside the points. And obviously the crashes didn't help. Hopefully he'll be back in F1 soon. I hope
If Mick gets picked as a reserve driver I just think he won't develop any further.
He should try out at LeMans. It's not only an endurance race but he'll be motivated to think and move faster as he's not the only driver to pilot the car. Also come 2023, new exciting regulations are going to be seen.
I can already hear Hamiltons internal screaming with Nico coming back on grid lmfao.
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Different Nico though, Hulkenburg vs Rosberg
Brazil 2012 intensifies
The thing is Mick beat Kevin 9 to 6 in race results when both finished. It is not like he was that much slower. But the peak perfomances were not high enoughwith MAG scoring 5 times (6 with the sprint) and Mick only 2 times
F Mick
I think Haas effed up his pit strategies on purpose, just to have a reason to have him out of the team. Just remember how they kept him 5 laps on wets in Suzuka when the track was drying up and everyone switched to inters. And there were more mistakes on Haas side.
I find it odd that people don't really point out the un-predictability of the Haas car. We saw similarities with the Ferraris where Carlos struggled early in the year. I felt like a few of Mick's shunts were simply the car snapping on him and it's strange those are being glazed over.
Maybe if Haas could stop shafting Mick and Magnussen in races due to poor pitstops and strategy they'd score more points. It doesn't matter whether it's Hulkenberg, Hamilton or Verstappen in that Haas seat, they'd still deal with these issues and it's not going change with a different driver at the wheel. At the end of the day it's very easy to look at the standings and see Mick has done nothing this season, but when you look at races where him and Magnussen are in the points and suddenly they both finish 14th and 15th, shows Haas needs to change internally if they want to be a consistent point-scoring midfield team.
Car isn't there when you don't have money to upgrade it. Next year is going to be different...
@@Tomas-80 thats what they say every year... also at the start of the season the car wasnt that bad and they still managed to be on ferrari level with their strategy calls
@@jamesmaier5544 Yes but they didn't have the money to upgrade it due to costly repairs...
Personally i think Mick should spend a year in WEC. Plenty of dudes on the wrong side of 30 on the grid, including the two guys piloting the Haas cars in 2023. Also imagine Tsunoda will be on the hot seat and probably has to beat de Vries to stay on the grid. Or Sargeant could be terrible. Plenty of ways back, but he isn’t what Haas needs.
Haas isnt what he needs either :D
its good to see Nico back.
A year or two out and developing in DTM or another category in the meanwhile will keep his prospects open. I could see Toto's interest opening a door for a customer team like Williams. I also feel like Ferrari Drivers Academy could have developed and prepared Mick better for F1, which is why he couldn't extract much pace from the Haas
Think he will still get another shot. I am presuming now it's Merc reserve driver and also in the pool for stand in replacements for all the Merc engine teams replacing NDV
Mick certainly wasn't the worst driver on the grid. Stroll and latifi are easily the worst in that regard with stroll being downright dangerous on multiple occasions.
The difference is that mick doesn't own a tram or have massive backing. He has his name which is both a big positive and negative. There would be less pressure if he his last name wasn't Schumacher but would he have gotten a seat without it? It's hard to say.
I must be truly British because I've *always* wanted Haas to do well, and hopefully this change will help drive their success.
Bit sad for Mick though, I like the kid, but it's been clear he's not up to it since season start. Happy to see the Hulk back in a seat though, I like him too... Which kinda means he's buggered (I've been a Danny Ricc fan since he joined the grid, same with Kubica... And look how they ended...)
@Liam_Oliver: So please, now, will you start liking Lewis Hamilton! That should do the trick!
@@christopherknee5756 I can't bring myself to morally do that unfortunately. Can't actually bring myself to care about the shyster hypocrite. Literally wouldn't p!ss on the plank if he was on fire...
Although being ambivalent towards Russell seems to be effective...
5:03 “no driver could be said to deserve a second chance in F1 if they haven’t made the most of their first opportunity”. That phrase on a video about a driver who gets a second chance after 184 GP starts without a single podium. Am I the only one seeing the irony?
If Kmag also has been inconsistent, does that mean the drivers are inconsistent or are the Haas cars not able to perform most of the time? 🤔
Toto stated a possible reserve driver role at Mercedes-Benz. Better than ferrari have done.
No shit, Mercedes is german. And Toto owns the team, Binotto is a puppet
@@HibiTeamQueso The team's nationality doesn't matter in the slightest. If so Vettel would have been at Merc instead of Red Bull and Ferrari
@@HibiTeamQueso the team is based in the UK.
Horrible news for Mick. I cannot help but think how different things would have been if he was allowed to race for a championship winning team, even like Williams who has experience winning championships. Perhaps even Alpha Tauri! Would love to compare the support he received from his team principal compared to other drivers and other teams. Just a sad day for me... Keep your chin up Mick! Hope you get a new oppertunity in F1 soon!
having a seat in championship winning team has to be earned, and he hasnt done so
Mick has been inconsistent but so has the Haas cars from race to race. Makes it difficult for a young driver. I like his potential over Hulkenberg who has had his chance.
I still maintain Vettel told Mick he was leaving Aston Martin before the rest of the paddock, Mick surly thought he would be a good replacement for Vettel at Aston Martin and would easily get the seat, but who knew Alonso would jump out of the Alpine as fast as he did securing Aston Martin for next year, suddenly Mick is having to get his head down and preform just to keep his seat at Hass, I’m guessing Gunter sensed Schumacher allegiance was not with Hass early in the season as there professional relationship diminished.
I'm not a fan of Mick, but I hope he gets a seat back in F1 in the future. But glad to have Hulk back on the grid. Can't wait to see what he can achieve.
Well, not much like he did when he was in F1. Throwing podiums.
You don’t have to wait… he’s had like 11 seasons already to show us what he can achieve!
Pass up any and all young talent for a guy that's proven time and again that whenever there's a big result on, he will put his car in the wall. I don't understand the obsession with Hulkenberg.
Please Logan! Stop confusing us with facts!
If he can land a reserve driver role/go to WEC (where consistency is more important than just raw pace), he'll be able to get another drive in F1.
Hulkenberg won't be there forever
Hamilton is probably retiring in the next few years
Alonso probably retiring in a few years (though Drugovich looks to have that role)
If Sargeant doesn't perform, Williams will have a spot in a couple years
Shakeups to come.
2 years ago, if you asked people "would Daniel Ricciardo be out of F1?", nobody would have said "yes". Its a ruthless sport in that regard, but one that gives opportunity.
In that same vein, how Pascal Wehrlein hasn't come back into F1, confuses me.
Who has the 2nd Williams seat
Schumacher has actually been better than Magnussen in race head-to-heads and comfortably ahead in fastest laps. Just a shame the early crashes and being behind in qualifying have seen him lose his seat.
How do you measure better? - how can it be better that he scores less points, crashes more and is getting outqualified most of the times?
I hate when teammates fight. I hope Hulk and Mag get along alright. K Mag is such a nice personality to have on the grid.
I hate when teammates can't fight. Hope we get smbm race 1 in Australia
Verstapen has his dad by his side. Mick's dad is in Mallorca next door to me in a vegetable state. That support means the difference.
Maybe a season or two in DTM or GT races will help him mature until a F1 seat opens. There is also Indycars.
Mick Schumacher alone has had more damage costs in two years than the entire top 3 teams combined
And all of that would be forgotten if he was quick.
Why not danny ric over hulk?
3:04 What I don't understand is that if F1 is really a results-based business and the results are ultimately expressed through points and the position in the drivers standings then how can it be that Mick isn't keeping his seat even though he's 3 places behind Magnussen with 48% of the points. While Tsunoda is keeping his seat also 3 places behind his teammate with a barely higher 52% of the points of his teammate and Zhou who is 8 places behind his teammate and only has a mere 12% of the points of his teammate also getting to keep his seat. That doesn't make sense! And both are behind Mick as well
It goes like this;
- If your father was a highly successful Formula One driver and you follow is his footsteps, you just won't cut it son.
- If your father was an average at best, maybe gifted with machinery Formula One driver and you follow in his footsteps, you will dominate.