The Mercedes Problem is EVEN WORSE Than You Think
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- 🏁 Is Toto Wolff's Departure Imminent? Not yet, but questions are cropping up regarding him and Mercedes this year. 🏎️ Explore the latest buzz surrounding Toto Wolff's notable absence at the Japanese Grand Prix and what it means for the future of Mercedes' Formula 1 dominance! 🌟 Join the conversation as we delve into Lewis Hamilton's candid remarks about grappling with his toughest season yet, shedding light on the team's ongoing struggles with the enigmatic W15 car and igniting debates among fans and experts alike. 💔 Uncover the disappointment echoing throughout the Formula 1 community regarding Mercedes' management approach and the conflicting statements from Toto Wolff, drawing intriguing parallels to McLaren's historic challenges. 🚀 Embark on a journey with us as we delve into the critical importance of stability, perseverance, and team morale amidst the relentless pursuit of long-term success in the ever-evolving world of Formula 1! Don't miss out on the latest insights and updates!
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In the world of Formula 1, updates and upgrades are the lifeline of success, and nobody knows it better than Toto Wolff, the mastermind behind Mercedes F1...but has recently started to lose his lustre. From the latest Lewis Hamilton news to the rivalry heating up between Hamilton and George Russell, the buzz in the Formula 1 community is palpable. With the Mercedes W15 car making headlines (for the wrong reasons), fans are eager to see how the Mercedes F1 team will fare against the competition. Stay tuned for all the Formula 1 news, updates, and insights as the season unfolds, right here on our channel optimized for SEO and CZcams views.
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Great video law. Also, can’t wait to see you drive/ review the ladderhorn.
Uh, Red Bull isn't using the Mike Elliot design of an out of balance high and rearward center of gravity car.
I remember Horner saying in one DTS episode that we will see what kind of principal Toto really is when he is not winning anymore... now we know
🙄 Horner’s sound bites about Toto are all about PR and getting under Toto‘s skin - they often have nothing to do with reality (especially the case when they were in a tight title battle)
Toto’s leadership style has been evident and easy to evaluate since he first became team principal, years before the team started winning
@@valerierodger it's a logical conclusion though, even when Toto first joined Mercedes they were on their way up as a team that constantly gets podiums and a win every year, similar to McLaren today. Toto back then also had Lauda to rely on, this time he's on his own.
@@sadmanh0 Don't forget having Brawn and Schumi in for those first years. That duo build up Ferrari in the 2000s as well. But you're right, ever since Wolf joined Mercedes he's been winning, same goes for Lewis, ever since he joined F1 he's been winning. The last 2 years must have been quite unusual and unsettling for them.
Red Bull were in the wilderness from 2014-2020 and during that time they threatened to quit F1 multiple times so Horners not really in a position to judge.
It baffles me that a team like mercedes could get a car wrong three years in a row. The W13 wasn't necessarily bad, the concept itself worked by the end of 22. Them abandoning it midway through 23 made no sense to me. And even then, the W14 had some strong points, like good traction and it was great at high speed corners. And now the W15 is the complete opposite, just more unreliable (they had issues at every race so far). It almost seems like they have no idea why their concept isn't working.
The difference is that for this year they complied with Hamilton's wishes, they changed the whole car so he can seat further back, changed more things for sure for him. And he is nowhere to be seen. Hamilton is not a car developer, he does not understand aero as he thinks he does. And Mercedes have been very bad at making their underfloor work, the most important part of these 2022 regulations. Aston Martin had a huge boost last year because Dan Fallows brought RBs underfloors concept to them. They have to snatch someone from RB to get something like that, but I feel it is now too late for that.
They probably shouldn't have let other teams poach all their best engineers 🤷♂
@@quigglyz is not that EZ. If other teams offer an engineer more 💰💰 well ...
@@quigglyzCost cap
@@Adreno23421that has nothing to do with mercs problems. I Said It before 2022 started, they were not that good in aero in the years they won all their wdc, they become stagnant with their concept and they would try to make something work in new regulations from older Cars (zero-pods, outwash front Wing etcetera)
Toto is becoming the new Binotto. Soon will start saying "we have to analyze, we have to understand, no the TD39 did not affected us "
What’s the German equivalent to “Sbinalla?”
@@hourlardnsaver362 Autounfall?
What does Toto actually teach in his management case study course at Harvard? Would love to have some reporting from participants in that class- please post
This situation really exposed him, he doesn't act like the shrewd, forward thinking businessman like he potrays himself to be, he is nothing but a whiny brat who got off of being built like a tank, nothing more to it. Last year's Las Vegas GP was extremely telling of what kind of a person toto really is.
@@viskyboi1275 Las Vegas showed that he is an arrogant idiot
rich people coping about how they really earn the money and are big brains
Harvard? I think they attract crackpots.
Short class. One lesson. Blame and deflect.
The Red Bull team is loving this distraction of Mercedes gossip and drama.
They have their own drama with Chris Horner, so both sides have their own things to take care of
Red Bull doesn’t look at Merc… they focus on themselves
They have enough going on themselves. But for us fans F1 is becoming a daily soap 😂
🙄
@@Redlingstein But Wolff can't stop mentioning that he wants Max for Mercedes instead of focusing on his own issues.
Seeing ferrari very competitive makes lewis so happy.
He can't beat Russell at the moment. What makes you think he can beat is new teammate.?
@@davidbowman9384He doesn't give a rat's ass about Russell since he's too busy learning about his car. Russell is also susceptible to amateur mistakes. And last year, Lewis finished 3rd in driver's standings and George finished at 8th. In 2022 Lewis was trying to understand the W13 through testing different setups, same as this year with the W15.
@@davidbowman9384 i didnt say he will beat charles. I said he is happy to see ferrari fast as he will be driving for them next year. As for my personal opinion, i think he will get destroyed by charles at ferrari.
And i think the change in drivers line up at ferrari will disrupt their momentum to win championships nex year
Me too ❤
I believe the car has terrible floor sealing. At high speed corners, there might be a disruption in the air flow underneath the car. But this is a speculation
Armchair engineer
@@OumuamuaOumuamua I didn't say I could fix it. Been studying fluid dynamics for some while, just theorizing some stuff
@@OumuamuaOumuamuabuzz off
They are significantly behind on the development curve too. The first couple of races were always going to be an up hill battle. They really do need to manage their expectations as a team.
I’m thinking it’s suspension and damper rates … car is loose on rebound especially in the rear ..
This has to be the most unhinged, and brilliant framing to shoot a video with.
I love it.
@@Lovit-vk5fg Yep; that's his brand now, the guy who shoots videos while standing on a ladder going to his attic
Yes, I love it. It's the: "hey it's me popping up in my attic to rant" style of this channel that got me hooked a while ago.
Lewis has just lost all confidence and faith in mercedes at this point. You can tell by his voice and the way he speaks about the car. Skillwise i think he still has it
Then why is he always behind George?
We will see if he was the skill I don’t know any more
@@TheMikelleh Different driving styles...
@@phenomenon5349 but he’s a Champion and the greatest ever. He can’t adapt?
@@TheMikelleh The situation right now is showing that he can't. Thats concerning.
Problem is James Allison is fixating on aerodynamic design/issues, whereas Adrian Newey understood that you build the platform (ie the Chassis) first then the aero on top that is why the RB platform works well.
As Ferrari has shown. The SF-24 is far simpler in terms of surface aero than the sf23 (tho that may change with the suzuka/imola upgrade) but because the suspension is such a big leap forwards, the car is much much better and already had a better weekend just 3 races in.
Mercedes still seem to be stuck in 2021, where they think being a bit clever with the front wing legality is going to transform a car that isnt as good with underfloor aero.
Mclaren understand that, and thats why they are beating Merc/AM who still have inadeqate anti squat/anti dive
@@dylanburston7453exactly! 😊 (forza Ferrari, again)
@@dylanburston7453ferrari and red bull both have more powerful engines than mercedes i dont think this is that complicated
Yes, they have more power, but not enough to make much of a differnce. Its about 5hp (the Ferrari has a small turbo so it has better acceleration in slow speed corners)
The PU is not the reason they are slow. Its bad chassis, suspension and aero
@@dylanburston7453maybe the PU isnt the reason they are slow but its the reason they are no longer fast. their chassis suspension and aero were never the best, but their PU was. now it isnt, and their car just looks mediocre.
I hope If Fernando is moving next year he doesn't go to Mercedes, it seems they won't be goibg back in shape any time soon
Hope he stays with aston, they seem to be improving, and I really hope that they can get their wec team setup fast cuz I can't wait for Lance to get out of F1.
@@viskyboi1275 Sainz and Alonso would be a dream team
Apologies to all of the Mercedes fans out there - but bad times for Mercedes is good times for me. I just can't stand Dorothy's dog (ref - The Wizard of Oz) . His comments about Carlos Sainz's accident at the Las Vegas GP showed what kind of person he is. Feel free to disagree.
Yes, disgusting behavior 😂
'We aren't in Kansas anymore'
😭😭😭😭 I must respect this..... But it hurts 😂😂😂
That was actually the first moment I felt like Toto disgusted me. That was the moment Fred won me over too
I missed this, where can i find the interview or comment?
Lewis finished 3rd last year with a car that’s race pace averaged 3rd-5th for the season in a graphic provided by F1. I don’t think the regulations are hurting him.
Allison designed the worst Ferraris of this millennium, including the infamous F14 T along with Resta, the only car in F1 hystory to be able to understeer and oversteer at the same time (Alonso still have nightmares about it). Resta was parked by Ferrari at Haas for the last seasons... Remind me, how good were the Haas while Resta was there? The fact is that they are what they found, because at the moment nobody wants to board on a sinking ship.
He also helped design the 2015 and 2016 Ferraris, which were decent. The SF70H also had a lot of his involvement on it as he left the team quite late on.
The issue is a wider one; The cost cap and other factors like wanting a challenge led to a lot of the pillars of the Mercedes domination era leaving Brackley for other pastures, within F1 or beyond. And it’s clearly affecting them.
Allison is just someone whos hung around some succesfull people.
All this talk of "the most successful desighner ever" is BS.
Schumis Ferraris were designed by Rory byrn (who was technical consultant on the f1-75 and the SF24)
He was only deputy technical director for Alonsos Renaults.
And Paddy Lowe and Aldo costa built the low rake platform/concept that he inherited from Mercedes.
In between all that, he was at Lotus, putting exhausts on the front of the car, and designing mid Ferraris.
He joined Ferrari on July 2013, he designed the 2014 and 2015 car, then his involvement was cut down until he left on July 2016. He has nothing to do with the 2017 car. I'm not questioning the reasons behind the Mercedes fallback, I'm just saying that they are delusional if they think that Allison and Resta in charge of that can build a good competitive car and I don't think Mercedes would be ok to be a mid grid team.
@@dylanburston7453 that's exactly my point.
The idea that Newey has taken Elliots concept and made it work is hubris. Inlets are not pods.
But they have an “uninterrupted” teal line on their livery!! I thought this was their year?
Just because Alonso is still an excellent driver at his age doesn't make it the new norm. Most drivers retire around Hamilton's age and suffer a loss of performance. Its normal. Look at Vettel, Schumacher. I think there is an illogical expectation that Lewis is still at his very best, which, judging by how Russell is driving the W15, there is little evidence of. He won 7 titles. Its an amazing achievement. I really can't see him suddenly breaking a 3 year no win stretch and suddenly winning another championship. I think its highly unlikely. And that's ok.
Don't tell that to the delusional coping hamilton cult club though.
Alonso needs to retire as well. Homeboy got nothing to prove anymore.
I mean... yh, Alonso, Lewis, Vettel & MSC were past their primes but they could still outdrive half the grid on raceday. It's also 3 races in... if it stays the same up til spa then I bet Ferarri might be shaking a little bit.
Eyesight has alot to do with the longevity of older athletes
@@MooncricketsInc Alonso will be still be in F1 when it looks more like F-Zero...and that's ok, because he's still highly skilled and fun to watch.
That's why I think his move to Ferrari is purely to satisfy a dream, to say you drove for Ferrari even if you didn't win is still a great look
It seems that Mercedes has much troubles with getting the balance right. Especially for Lewis. It is either too front focused or too back focused.
Only 2 former F1 champions won another title after joining Ferrari - Fangio and Schumacher.
Will Hamilton be the third one to succeed or will he go down the Prost/Alonso/Vettel path remains to be seen. Either way, he has bigger chances of winning with them than with Merc.
Leclerc will win a championship with Ferrari before Hamilton does.
i hope he doesn't
@@Adreno23421 Personally, I think that neither one is gonna win anything with Ferrari.
@@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 you're probably right!
@@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158dw "next year is our year." - circa 2008
Be positive Law, for certain Benz had a spare tub to provide Georgie a quick replacement if his sorry a.. mishap happened earlier in a weekend. What you do not mention is in my view the most significant aspect of Benz team. Niki Lauda. He has been gone since May of 2019 and we never knew what influence he held over the 7 yr domination. Perhaps he restrained the idiot side of Toto and the team got down the road.
I like your point, Niki was and still is in my heart
Yup. When Marko goes it'll be the same.
@@Williamxmr On that one I disagree. Horner is FAR cooler and effective managerial character than Toto, he doesn't throw headphones around the garage. Toto has typical german superiority complex and does dirty deeds behind the scenes. No good engineer will want to work for such an a.. hol.
I’ve said it many times. When Mercedes were dominant thru their superior engine, RBR had to optimize all aspects of their operations (aero, strategy, pit stops, etc), to have a chance to win a race. And still, Mercedes were so far ahead, that they allowed themselves to grow complacent. Now that RBR also has a strong engine, Mercedes has heaps to do and they can’t just spend their way out of trouble. Back to basics, one would say. But that is easier said than done, look how McL has struggled.
Mercedes didn’t have a pit stop that was fastest at any of the races last year. All 22 races shared by Redbull, Mclaren, and Ferarri. People like to make fun of Ferarri for bad strategy and pit stops. But Mercedes is right there with them, at least Ferarri has shown improvements since Fred taken over. Mercedes just keep turning into even bigger donkies each season.
The engine advantage disappeared in 2017 with Ferrari being better in 2019. You can tell based on Williams's constructor standing lol.
If it were the case, Force India/Racing Point and Williams would've been up there fighting with Mercedes for wins and championships, since all of them had the same powertrain.
Red Bull was and still is the best team operation-wise, superior in strategies as well and we can argue if they were better in aerodynamics between 2014-2020, but Mercedes knew how to build a car strong in every department.
In the current regulations, it's a different story.
The problem with MB is they never had to learn how to build a car. Just look at their cars prior to the turbo hybrids, trash. Then, new turbo hybrid regs hot and Merc builds a vastly superior motor to anyone else. Even Williams regularly threatened for podiums. Then, the other manufacturers, mainly Honda/Red Bull caught up everywhere and now Mercedes is lost in the woods. They didn't get worse. They never knew how to build a chassis to begin with.
That’s not exactly it.
Yes, the 2010-2012 Mercedes cars were pretty mediocre when it came to aerodynamics. However, the 2013 car made major improvements and even won a race during the season where Red Bull absolutely crushed the opposition (they were already fully focused on the 2014 regulations early on, like a lot of others)
Those 2014-2016 cars (the ‘16 one especially) had a very strong chassis and suspension architecture, with the 2016 car also having a very strong floor (very ironic). Yes, the PU was also overpowered as hell, but this also became a deliberate ploy as the team actually led others to believe that they were winning because of the engine, allowing them to keep their chassis secrets for as long as possible.
Ferrari did catch up once the “ch0nk boi” regulations of 2017-21 kicked in (except 2020-21), but this was also the same regulations that birthed the W11 in the…….2020 season, which also had a very innovative and effective suspension setup and aero design which allowed it to take a lot of corners absolutely flat out.
What did Mercedes in was ultimately the cost cap, which also exacerbated the brain drain that they have been experiencing. A lot of the people who pioneered the Mercedes dominance is no longer at Brackley, and limitations in how much staff they can have alongside how much they can do within the season due to the cost cap has really been a sucker punch in the gut because when Merc had a bad start back then, they could basically just spend their way to a solution, something they cannot do now.
It’s not that Mercedes never knew how to make a chassis (you don’t make a car like the W11 if you don’t know how to make a good chassis). It’s that the people who knew how to make those great Mercedes chassis are no longer at the team, and major rule changes to expenditure meant that if Merc get it wrong, there’s comparatively very little they can do in-season to turn their season around as their financial taps have been significantly limited.
I think the beginning of the hybrid era gave them such a power advantage they basically could Run more wing keeping up on straights and being way Faster on corners while treating well the tyres.as time go by and others start to catch up they needed to lower wing levels and that exposed how good/bad their Cars really were
@@pedroribas6796This as well.
Spot on & also with the cost cap if your car isn't performing like you want at the start of the season you cant just spend an unlimited amount of money to fix the problem @NeXMaX
@@FreeloaderUK100%, and this was exactly what they did to the “Diva” W08 in the 2017 season, where it was a struggle in the beginning parts, going up against Ferrari’s SF70H.
It’s not at all impossible to have an in-season turnaround in form mid-season during a cost-cap era, as McLaren have shown. However, that was contingent on the team already knowing its concept, having several tweaks and upgrades on its way that the team knows will solve the issues, and also having a galvanized workforce fully focused on the performance side. And I’m not sure Mercedes as of now have all of that at the moment.
You can tell hes full of it from the dts stuff ; "toto thrives under pressure he loves it", "we welcome a challenge instead of winning every year". None of that was true, it was compensating / projection. He inherited the success, horner said that years ago.
Maybe Toto should write a book about all this. I've got a great title for him: "My Struggle."
"im a businessman pretending to be a team principle" would be more abt.
Dark mouse, dark.
Nein nein nein Masi!
"The story about a failed racing driver who never worked his way through the ranks, instead buying his position and then acting surprised when it turns out that he has no idea what he's doing"
Low blow.
Guy's out there blaming physics like Merc gets a different one than Ferrari lol
Toto did not build the Mercedes dominating team. He inherited it. Then the most dominant engine in history captured all those titles. They never had to scrape for tenths like all the teams chasing them did. Same for Hamilton. I am not suggesting Hamilton wasn’t an excellent driver, but is easier with the best car.
I'm pretty sure that most of the grid would've won a WDC in the best car, I mean checo is P2 right now without even working that hard to pull miracles like he did at Sakhir 2020, he is just chilling.
@@viskyboi1275, it is only one point …. But, Checo is currently third in the drivers standings, just behind Leclerc.
So Vettel or Schumacher are great drivers, but it was down to the car. So is Max, right?
@Oldman1912 Yes. That’s the basics of F1, if fans don’t want the car to matter as much, there’s plenty of spec series out there.
@@watersnortmoment3734 well said…..F1 is an engineering competition. Always has been. “Toto, fix your bloody car!”
Lol Toto is NEVER in Japan at the GP…… look at the previous years…. 😂😂 Would be fun to find out WHY…. Can’t he enter the country???????
Toto can't own a house opposite Japan. He is also not allowed within 150 metres of any branch of Shogun Teppan-Yaki. This is not true.
Its hard to pretend to be happy when you know you are where you are because people decided you didnt know enough to listen to. No one has come out and said Lewis was right for 3 years, but he was. That, as a human being, i can understand could cause bitterness. I personally think Lewis has been more respectful than any of us would have been at our places of work, which is why they felt they could ignore him and double down on failed concepts. The spectre of Hamilton? You think Alonso and Max wont be even worse?! We have evidence they would be, and rightfully so. You have a finite time to be great in this sport. Thanks for the awesome vid sir!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Turns out, the w13 really had great potential if they stuck with it. The overhauled w15 is just playing catchup with Newey's RB.
How did you come to that conclusion? The only thing the RB20 shares with it is a engine cover.
No, they changed the w15 to better suit Hamilton's preferences, changing the whole car just for Hamilton to be able to sit closer to the rear and get a better feel for the rear. Has he delivered because of that? Nope. That is not the issue, with these regulations what matters the most is the underfloor, and their inconsistency shows how little they understand it. This is what happens when you give your glorified drive all the say during the development of the car. Hamilton might be a good driver, but he is not a car designer/developer.
Maybe the RB19 ...
Maybe
@@Adreno23421 The cockpit was only moved forwards because of the zero pods. It forced the fuel tank to be pushed forwards and up due to the fact that there was less space to work with.Now those packaging limitations are gone, they moved it back. They likley would have done it anyway
Mercedes problem is a weak mechanical platform (suspension/chassis) and sub par floor performance.
@@dylanburston7453 agreed
Good point with Lewis not being up with the current regulations and that this happened before. To expand on that: I do think there is another driver that is no feeling the regulations (these cars) at all, and that would be Daniel. He was ok at Renault (the car was not up to level) but he could maximise it. As soon as he moved to McLaren the regulations changed and he could not get a grip on them. Now same regulations and a different Team and car and the same. I don’t think Daniel is loosing his talent, I think he is not vibing with the regulations. This would explain his curent situation at RB
Agreed, but if you look at Drivers back in the day, they drove anything for a buck, and won.
I recently saw the movie 'Ford v Ferrari' and the featured Le Mans race was won by McLaren and Amon, with Hulme coming second, (he won the F1 title the following year) all, then, current F1 Drivers.
There's plenty of other examples.
If a Driver started whining, in those times, that the car doesn't suit their 'driving style', they would have been advised to move along, and likened to a feline, in three words, lol.
@@SaintKimbo Virgin "Pls design the car to my liking" Hamilton VS Chad "give me the car you feel is the most performant and I will adapt to it" Verstappen
Agreed. I just wanted to state the curent meta of the F1 drivers. That is why Verstapen is so good. He wants the fastest car possible and adapts. Albon said that also about him. The car is not build for him. He just adapts
Yeah no, drivers should be able to adapt.
@@viskyboi1275 I'd say that the "give me a car and I will adapt to it" also applies to Alonso
I remember in 2022 saying that Mercedes looked closer to winning a title than Ferrari after Abu Dhabi yet in 2023 when we left Abu Dhabi I was saying to myself Ferrari look closer to winning a title than Mercedes.
When Toto came out after 2021 saying everyone is going to have a target on their back in 2022 it's real fighting talk and you can't help but think that Mercedes had something up their sleeve or at least were very determined to win in 2022. Going into 2022 people were predicting it mostly to either be a Mercedes and Red Bull rematch or a Ferrari vs Mercedes in 2022 or some even predicting a three way fight between the three of them.
One thing that Mercedes has lost in my mind is that expectation fans have that going into every season they may be able to mount a title challenge. I think they've lost that expectation that comes around every time predictions come out.
If I had to describe the current situation Toto and Mercedes are in just now in one word it would be this...
Lost.
Mercedes just look like they don't know where to exactly turn to or the direction they need to take. They brought James Alisson back thinking he could work a miracle yet that hasn't happened. I sometimes wonder if Mercedes got complacent and just expected to walk into every season and win the championship but now that they realise they can't do that anymore it for sure stings for them but I wonder if they're struggling to get out that mindset or have they already got out that mindset and just don't know what to do? I don't know.
This is what's strange for me like every team you can sort of describe by saying "well this is what they're doing" or stuff like "this is their plan to win a championship" but with Mercedes you can only describe them in my mind by saying they're "lost."
Mercedes have never really been in this position unless you consider 2010-2012 where you could probably put all that down to them finding their feet and for 2013 you could say they found their feet and were gearing themselves up for what followed with their dominations. Though their fall from grace from championship glory came in 2021 with the controversial Abu Dhabi 2021 but their true fall from grace began in 2022 for they fell out of championship challengers. This period Mercedes are in (2022 - present) is unlike any time Mercedes have ever had.
They now have to plot a course of how to get back to that championships. You often hear the saying "there's light at the end of the tunnel." That is not the situation Mercedes are in for they aren't seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. I would probably argue they're in a maze that is in a tunnel. They don't know which way to go or what exactly to do.
Perfect timing considering its my dinner now
Bon appetit!
If you really look back at the Mercedes dominance era, they were never really that good at aero. But the engine advantage was so huge that all they had to do was be good enough. And Red Bull was able to bag podiums and some wins mainly due to Newey. And when the Honda engine was good enough to challenge Mercedes, Red Bull was able to beat them. Now we're in the ground effect era where aero is everything and there is nobody who can match Newey. And Mercedes is now finally paying for all these years of having a "good enough" aero. They are lost.
Why do you think Alonzo was punished for GR's very dangerous driving incompetence at the end of the Australian race?
Both cars telemetry clearly shows that Alonzo deliberately changed his approach to the turn while GR, who was half a second behind Alonzo, chose to totally ignore Alonzo's change in approach & then he showed his limited driving capability by barrelling 'full throttle' into the turn, losing control of his car causing the catastrophic destruction of the car and flushing valuable team points down the toilet ......... purely for selfish reasons. hmmm
I call that Karma, For Rejecting Andretti/Cadillac... 😏😁😎
Law who do you feel has the upper hand between Leclerc and Hamilton for next year? I would bet on Charles
Ok goldfish 😂
@@jb-y1487 you are hurt cause I didn’t choose your idol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Leclerc seems to fall apart whenever he is pressured during a race. He is fast in qualifying, probably faster than Lewis, but I highly doubt that he would be better racewise.
Mate your impression of Toto is very good
It boggles my mind how much better McLaren is doing right now than Mercedes. With less resources too.
Really enjoyable video.
It seems like they thought it was all related to porpoising and usable downforce.
Instead, it's actually just an unsophisticated floor, front suspension and confusing rear geometry.
We did what Loois told us to and the car is slower. How many champion drivers lost the championship to their team mate? Prost maybe? Good luck Ferrari sucks to be you. My engine also fails when I turn the switch off. It takes hp to make downforce and when you have 50 or more surplus hp everyone looks like a genius
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁💯
All this does is continue to highlight the fact that Ross Brawn built and the team and guided the team that built that monster of a car along with Schumi as his dev driver and team leader. Toto did nothing more than parachute in after the car was built, kick Brawn out, and take all the credit. He takes all the praise, but never mentions Brawns contributions to that era. Toto is completely lost as to how to guide the team as he has no technical background. Brawn was able to build the team, set the dev direction for the car and guide the engineers. All of Allison’s success was working under Brawn. Without him here none of them know which direction to go in for these regs, while Brawn did it at 4 different teams.
When Lewis decided to jump ship for Ferrari, I knew Mercedes no was truly done for - as much as he has often said every driver wants to drive for Ferrari as the iconic F1 team, he would not have done so if he hadn’t totally lost faith in Mercedes.
And to give him credit, he knew when to jump ship from McLaren to Mercedes when damn near everybody doubted it was the right decision. Nobody seems to be expressing those sort of doubts now, but I think it says as much about the condition of Mercedes and their car now as it did about the condition of McLaren and their car then
This whining of Mercedes is really showing how young the team actually is and shows that they have no idea how to deal with tough times.
4:29 that Austrian accent was amazing - hilarious
I prefer "No Internet".
(It is something I can simply move on onto anything else (probably motorcycle).
Slow internet would make me angry, but I'd still be all day in it.
Sir Smoke is far ahead of the Toto horizon. Wolf is humiliated and his disconnect with the I believe, 8 times world champion clouds his future. 17:54
They should have listened to Lewis about his thoughts on the car. Wait til hes in that Ferrari... Its going to be insane. Your Toto impersonation was spot on 😂
Like always you got a good point!
a solid Toto impression 🤌
Reminds me of a Chinese saying of "what flourishes must decline", in which every now and then dominances in competitions will meet their ends one way or another.
Too bad the other Mercedes racing program is just GT3 instead of Hypercar, as they're likely being haunted by a demon names CLR…or not.
As mercedes fan, more i think of it, mercedes is in end of cycle, Lewis Hamilton and Toto Wolff era is clearly on its end, and need a new project, because they try to keep their mind (and errors) from their domination era.
Like many Football teams, its hard for them to point the problem, and think that they still the best and its just a little bad moment.
I really Hope that the team i like do like Ferrari and find and correct their problems soon and dont finish like mclaren during end of Ron Dennis era, on the back of the grid for many seasons, especially with the upcoming regs that could be at their advantage like the 2014 one, could be hard to see mclaren and maybe williams(who know what James cooking) doing better than them when they supposed to be client team(even if mclaren and williams are my 3rd and 4th favorite teams respectively thnx to Alain Prost, my fav french sport legend and fellow country man,Mclaren is the 3rd team i use more on F1 games after Mercedes and Ferrari due to Michael Schumacher).
Mercedes should have stuck with the zero pod concept and wrung all the potential out of it that they could manage.
Like Red Bull does?
4:28-4:34. Love that Toto impersonation. Can't believe how great that sounded haha!
Damn, yet another thoughtful dive into a teams driver-design philosophy and strategy dilemmas. Lots to ponder in this one. You are getting very good at this punditry, Laws - I still think you're gonna be snapped up by the F1 Media Machine. That's a win!
I mean George keeps out-qualifying him, the car isn’t the worst; and I also get it’s not the best. But the complaining has to stop, it gives Lewis a bad name, especially since he’s making his move to Ferrari.
No it doesn't. Complaining isn't what he's doing. He's answering questions truthfully and calmly. Your skew on events don't make them real. Lewis Hamilton is part of a team that can't build a car that doesn't try and spin out or bounce. Max called the RB19 a POS. Lewis has never done that. Let these drivers be human and quit policing their actions. Actions we've seen 20 times worse by drivers that haven't won 1/4 as much as him.
@@jeanmakita3839 Max never called the RB19 a POS, he just said it could be improved, big difference.
Ok goldfish
@@viskyboi1275 no, he said it in a race on live audio. Please research before you go at people. Thank you
@@jeanmakita3839 I beg to differ, Lewis mental is what’s giving him a hard time rn. It’s the truth focusing on the negative isn’t helping him, I rest my case with George he’s doing fine, the car isn’t that bad, and I’m not policing the guy lol.
I think you are wrong if you say adrain’s side pod design is the same as mercs
Lol, stroll is beating hamilton...STROLL!!!!! 😂😂
Just stumbled into your channel. After 2 minutes I subscribed. Awesome job. Keep it up.
I highly doubt Mercedes is ever going to win again under Toto’s management. Mercedes dominance was built by Ross Brawn inventing the hybrid concept 4 years before the regs even took place. I don’t think people truly understand how ridiculous of an advantage that was and Mercedes fans are in serious denial about this point. Now bring in a budget cap and a set of regulations strictly based around aero and ground effect and they’re completely out classed by multiple teams right now. They aren’t beating Ferarri or Mclaren this year, not even close.
You say that like Merc hasn't stayed on top through multiple reg changes.
2017 complete aero redesign
2019 minor aero reg change
2021 floor change.
Merc have lost alot of engineering talent to other teams. Their senior engine engineers left for RBPT for example.
It's also true that the cost cap has hurt Merc. If they were unsure of concepts they'd build 2 cars instead of being stuck with 1 concept for 18 months then having to merge 2 concepts together.
@@JuicedOnKids in all of those reg changes they kept the same engine. They also had the ability to spend 500 mil a season if needed in any of those reg changes making it easier to combat any problems. Only Ferrari and Redbull were even capable of spending that much money, every other team, zero chance. Now that’s there’s a cost cap they can’t throw unlimited money at their problems, can’t have all of the best engineers, putting them on a level playing field for the first time. And now there is customer teams comfortably faster then them like Mclaren and Aston.
@@JuicedOnKidsmercedes kept their advantage through aero changes because their engine was the best. now it isnt.
Think you’re stretching it as to how frustrated people may be about Lewis and glad to see him leave…the Merc is a donkey, some of its flaws (seating position) are just plain bad. Anyhow, great job as always.
4:28 that was an amazing Austrian accent - hilarious
I’ve been watching this channel for a couple weeks now. I couldn’t put my finger on why you looked so familiar. Dude you’re Masako!! Recently I got into F1 around November and been catching up on F1 history.
Merc’s biggest issue is that the went down the wrong rabbit hole in 2022. Then they tried to make a course correction in 2023 on a platform that was rooted in the previous years car. So instead of having two years of data and understanding of the car. They’re on another redesign. Honestly it’s probably a mix of things. The reg changes in 2026 hopefully can wipe the slate clean for them.
Bet Lewis is delighted to see Ferrari are flying on track
3rd year into the 22 regs and they’re still struggling with the aero. Must be some infighting between the teams if they cannot get the aero to at least a level that would allow them to compete in the top 5 regularly. Aston literally just copied the rb18 and added their own bits.
it doesnt matter how good their aero is when red bulls car has more power
but technically lewis has been patient for the past 2 years .
The last race of 2021 prooved Wolf was just an oportunist that get a team already built by Brawn and others. At the first chance to prove himself he was a puppet with empty words...
The happiest person with Ferrari's 1-2 in Australia surely is Lewis.
Mercedes won't learn, they just cannot turn the page on the fact that they're not the team to beat anymore. While Ferrari and McLaren understood this and worked hard to get vack to the top, Mercedes just thinks it's over for them.
Honestly I am more ticked about Alonso’s penalty the more I think about it. Don’t crawl up someone’s ass so far that if you blink and your car is in the wall and then whine to the stewards later… #cryaboutit
Mr Saturday has crashed on the last lap twice now. Some extenuating circumstances this time. It's like he loses judgement when he has an outside chance to take another place on the last lap. Then the "red flag, red flag". A VSC or SC or Red Flag would all slow the cars by the same amount. He needs to grow up.
Hamilton's move is looking as smart as his move from Maclaren atm...
you're behind Alonso a famously defensive driver who held his own with schumacher... Then you crawl up his ass?!? 😂😂
For one, Crawling up someones ass is how you get into position to overtake, You know, That thing people talk about wanting all the time, Close racing, Having the trust that the driver in front won't drop a gear and slow down 100m sooner than they have all race is the only way you can get up the ass and into position and have close racing, If what Alonso did is OK then how can you have close racing if there is no trust.
And two, If you listen to Russel talking to sky he says, 'It's interesting, we've been called to the stewards' Russel also said the crash was on him, So not sure were you get the whining narrative from, Arr yer, It's Mercedes, Even tho they have won nothing for god knows how long it's still nice to keep putting the boot in and have every discussion come back to them.
The whole reason why he frantically called for a red flag is because he was right smack in the middle of the track on a high speed blind corner, tipped almost on his side. Given that it took 10-15 seconds for the VSC to be deployed, he was rightfully worried that cars behind might be coming towards him without knowing in time. Fortunately, the car behind him (Stroll) was far enough away and the marshals waved the double yellows quickly enough that he had more than plenty of time to slow down.
In most cases, the red flag would’ve absolutely been waved because it is a critical safety hazard. The reason why a VSC was called instead was because it was the very final lap (Russell crashed in the penultimate lap), and the FIA deemed it to be sufficient considering the circumstances, especially since they’ve already made changes to make it more effective at slowing the cars down on safety grounds.
It’s easy for you and I to say this when we’re comfortably doing so in an armchair, but I think your head would be in an absolute frenzy when you’re tipped on the side in the middle of a high speed blind corner, frantically hoping that someone doesn’t T-bone you, like what happened to Correa and Hubert (RIP).
They need to re-look at that corner and see what they can do to change it. Maybe revert back to the older layout, because it’s more than one time that a crash there has spat the car back out into the racing line since the changes. I don’t want to see another Hubert and van’t Hoff situation again.
@@gonzo1354 Both crashes in races where Sainz won as well
they need to pickup no side pods direction again
There's a reason why McLaren's cars varied so greatly in design in the years you pointed out and it wasn't out of separation like Mercedes is today. McLaren had decided to give engineers in their design department a shot at designing a design all their own each season so as to afford them an opportunity no other team ever would… Aaaaand in the hopes of finding a new super designer the likes of Allison, Head, Newey, etc..
Also, NEVER make fun of Anthony Davidson! He was impressive in his short stint in F1!
RIP Toto, shoutout to his Pumpernickel.
If I was Lewis I would'nt even bother beating his team mate again like last season but wait until he's behind the wheel of the Ferrari because the Mercedes is nothing more than just a Williams.
😂 So he is nit even trying now? You believe that?
@@temp5782 Theres no point in trying to hard in a black tractor
@@F1Guy-Guy He tries but he fails.
If we're judging drivers as modern day athletes and the like... Hamilton has man balloons ,
just saying!
What a great (social???) Analysys of the situation. (Idk what the correct term It is)
Its crazy to me that the team that designed and built the W11 is three years into a reg cycle and is getting spanked by their customer teams
And I thought haas will have the worst season but now we have Mercedes and Alpine stealing that position. F1 is just full of surprises.
They need LawVS
Sounds like Aston Martin's problem last year with the narrow window of performance issue.
W15 seems to have *no* window of performance.
That was interesting to watch. They were so strong in the early season.
@@BigLoMayneHaas with more money
2:37 the issue with having a “year of trying to understand…” is, that it’s own corporate, the sponsors and other parties, shareholders, etc. have no patience for things like that.
They want results and understandably so. All in all it is the third year with these regulations and Mercedes still haven’t figured out how to understand their car.
i remember back in my days when the drivers said the car isnt fast enough to win.
you know what they did? the likes of michael, prost, clark, senna and so on:
they didnt cry about it. THEY MADE IT FASTER
lewis must be chuffed to be leaving for 25
Merc only good when regs are engine heavy. They just do not understand these aero rules.
Puts those 7 titles and bloated stats in perspective.
Ok goldfish 😂
Aero was always Redbull, Mercedes built good engines, their aero package wasn't bad, need I remind you how on rails the 2020 Merc was?
They got simulator correlation problem I think.
LawVs is the new Mr.Consistent
I really enjoy his content, he speaks on ideas that we’re all thinking about at the moment while making it incredibly entertaining. Although some of his takes are incredibly speculative and sometimes contradict points he made in other videos.
@@jamesvoneschen6603 yep
I can only say. Russel is out performing Lewis by a lot. Saying this car is bad is allowed. Yes, it is not the best.
But than again, Lewis is not winning from his teammate. Maybe he should buckle down and get on that first. The ego is big on lewis, although he comes forward as ego-less.
However, we will see where this all is going. Maybe lewis can win a race again....
I would love to see Carlos and Checo keep racing but would not wish the Mercedes seat on anyone.
As someone that grew up and still has slow internet (1mb upload and download on a good day) having a little of something is better than nothing. I’d rather wait for a game to download for 5 days then be able to play it rather than going to a library or McDonald’s to use their WiFi…
This has been my sole source of F1 information since I started following the sport in January. How are you so pleasing to listen to wtf.
Mercedes post 2021 reminds me of Intel when AMD released the Zen processors back in 2017; Intel had no answer for a few years and their answer now is "400W is an acceptable power draw for a CPU, right?".
I think merc needs to cut there losses for this year and next year and just focus on making a good 2026 car when the regulations change
The last person the Engineers should be listening to is Lewis. The Newey approach is the only approach; design and build the fastest car possible and let the drivers adapt. The moment you let drivers get involved then your making compromises and throwing time away.
Even more so for Lewis. He is not an Engineer. He has never shown an inkling towards Engineering like some drivers do. Lewis' input shouldn't begin until FP1 at race 1, where they ask for setup feedback. And even then I can guarantee that what they tell him they've done to the car and what they actually do to the car is different.
From what I can see is that this is a typical management issue. Some people stay too long and lose a lot of credit in the process. Mercedes requires a new team principle. Preferable someone who is used to chaotic and depressing times.
I am not saying that Toto is a bad manager; I'm saying that he's not the type of leader Mercedes needs right now. He spreads rumors, he talks bad and then good about drivers/teams, his own team is in trouble.
I get it - earning millions a year to run a team is fun. But at some point you have to move. Maybe he can be a great support for his wife who is running her own women's club (subsedised by mostly men).
No Michael! We aren’t in Kansas anymore!
Mercedes got lucky 2013-2020
Perfect car with the perfect driver in that car!
They are in for a rude awakening
Ok goldfish
Number one 🎉😂😂😂keep up the good work ❤ 🇬🇧
i really like ur channel man best formula one youtuber for suuuuure
A poor tradesman always blames his tools.
Run by a dictator who has a history of tantrums, well it’s no surprise.
Add, Lewis puts the boot in; with the eye of leaving can only benefit his future: it would be ironic if the Mercedes team got their act together kicking Ferrari’s arse.
Just maybe, like everyone in this game Father Time is catching up with Lewis and his conned Ferrari out of millions.
His expensive lifestyle must be an addiction especially when the end is near and those $$$$$ checks look to dry up.
Not doubting his history- not saying that but it is indeed history- and this is now.
It is a results driven society.
Now the history of young drivers don’t know how to parody a car.
George has had plenty of time to learn the trade at Williams. Excuse after excuse we’ve had to sit through.
Again a poor tradesman always blames his tools. And at Mercedes- same; same.
I would hire Alonso and work head down arse up at manufacturing a weapon of a car.
Mercedes are desperate people doing stupid things.
They begat their actions every day.