10 Features that made the VENATOR CLASS the BEST STAR DESTROYER in Star Wars
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- We continue our 10 Flaws series by looking at why the Republic Venator Class Star Destroyer was the best .
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I really like how Obi Wan's ship was called the Negotiator
Ahh yes the negotiator
General kenobi we been waiting for you
Used for agressiv negotiation....
@@homesteadlegion4419 I understood that reference.
the negotiations were short.
"Wasn't large and sexy"
How dare you sir! The Venator is the sexiest capital ship in Star Wars.
Indeed it is
Jonathan Swavely absolutely agree
Definitely.
Yes, this is very true
Hell yes. The opening battle on revenge of the sith is epic
The Venator is probably the most sexy ship design in Star Wars.
Hell yeah
No doubt about it
i kinda like the molevolence more becuse of its over wellming fire power
Of course it is I'd rather a dagger then a Blunt and heavy knife. Antomy a Venator looks like a smooth well flushed out dagger.
The ISD looked way more badass tho
Tarkin: “We will build massive ships that are only effective against same-sized ships, that launch fighters out of only one small hanger, and they will have about as much point-defence as a Hutt has hygiene.”
The Republic: “We shall build sleek ships that have enough firepower to take care of most ships, an impressive complement of fighters and an efficient way to deploy them, and above all, a secondary bridge and *effective* point defence."
How far the Empire has fallen...
The Tarkin doctrine was so garbage.
Tarkin: make things big and blow stuff up
Farther than Kylo Ren did when Palpatine yeeted him off a Ledge into an Abyss
actually it had two hangers one on the bottom and one on the back of the bridge
Krennic: B A L L
Best designs are from the Clone Wars era. Every vehicle from the Republic arsenal was just so clean and beautiful.
@Aditya Shivam Parashar Droid cleaner: This is the WORST JOB in the Droid Army. And it just went into overtime
@@salmanmahyuddin8384 nice reference
@Michael McGrath If you hate the prequels why on earth are you here? You must lead a sad and pathetic life if you have nothing better to do than copy and paste your vitriol on every single Star Wars video.
Michael McGrath Well I grew up with the original trilogy and even I think the prequels designs are both more functional and aesthetically pleasing. It's a matter of taste though, but you can't say someone isn't a true fan just because they prefer one design over another. My name isn't for nothing, it also makes me more of an expert than you because I have actually designed ships myself so...
@@DeathBYDesign666 Agreed everybody has their own opinions, I design cars and products, but some designs are better than others regardless of opinions.
5:33 The venator has 4 hangar doors. The big red on, two on the sides and one at the bottom.
Moritz Pollich And the secondary ones on the main hanger on top.
I know that the bottom hanger can carry an entire Charger C70, but how many starfighter's can those side hanger's carry
@Leon fierce they connected to the main hangar which is seen in anikins relief in season one of the other jedi
There's a fifth one right in the front on some modes.
I don't think the bottom has a door though.
Venator is Latin for “hunter”... It couldn’t be more appropriate for this battleship/carrier (aviation battleship?) of a star destroyer
Francisco Lallana That and it has a Class 1.0 hyperdrive. Making it faster in light speed then the Imperial-1 or 2.
3:01 that scene playing in the background is the most underrated Star Wars intro of all time
Devan Devan no it’s not everyone agrees it’s the best
gamerchu sadly that’s not true
Devan Devan underrated soundtrack as well
What about the Clone Wars intro?
I've always loved the venator its probably my favorite capital ship in all of Star Wars
Me too
Same
Its like the Galaxy Class from Star Trek.
Sleek, Sexy, Powerful and everyone wants to command one.
Definitely the go to capital ship if I had to choose one
Same here and everything stated in this video is exactly why I love it.
Why did the Empire change from Carriers to Battleships? This is like going back from WW2 to WW1.
Bad writing.
Cut costs, invest in cheap material relying on overwhelming numbers instead of quality troops and starships
because the prequels were made after the original trilogd and noone really put any thought into it, If these ships are actually militarical pheasable.
Cruisers weren’t necessary when peace was the normal through most of Imprrial history, Destroyers were a good fit for enforcement
Because Tarkin was a moron. He believed that bigger was not just better, but bigger caused more fear, and fear would keep the systems of the Empire from revolting.
I always thought that the Venator was the coolest large scale ship in Star Wars.
I agree that the Venator is probably the best star destroyer, but I don't agree that the Tarkin doctrine is stupid. Tarkin's fleet wasn't designed to fight other spaceships, it was designed to occupy or lay waste to any world capable of producing opposing spaceships. The primary role of the ISD was planetary invasion and orbital bombardment. It was armed and armored to plow through planetary defenses and it did that job extremely well. It simply wasn't a strategy designed to win a space war, it was a strategy designed to deny the whole galaxy the opportunity to wage one, and it worked extremely well given just how few ships the Rebels were able to scrounge together. Even the lackluster performance of the TIE fighter made sense in a context of denying people access to combat ships, because it was designed to be worthless if captured or stolen.
Well, it can devastate other ships if it gets close due to how powerful their turrets are.
If you want to use the tarkin doctrine, at least try to not have design liability; if anyone know how to easily exploit ship weaknesses, it would probably lead to over-confident instead of the fear its meant to install
Well did it work?
@pro Aaron well the reason for the fall of the empire was the death of the emperor and the following collapse of the comand chain, not the failure of the tarkin doctrine. In fact the doctrine was so efficient that the ships the rebels used on their assault are the very last they had, so i would say yes it worked
@Gabriel Ho keep in mind that the close range flaw didnt matter in the minds of the empire because they basically would have the number advantage in any space battle and blast any ship into pieces in a matter of minutes
The prequals are more realistic designs, and I personally like them because I grew up watching them and also growing up with my parents being in the army, I knew all about planes helicopters, and things most kids didnt. So yeah great video loved it!!
Empire had many realistic designs too. Both factions were - maybe the FO too. But I don't consider them an official superpower, rather an uprising against the New Republic galactic government (which was very weak itself)
I'm an OT guy but those Prequel ships are Great
No? None of them are realistic and the idea of carrier superiority in space makes no sense.
He forgot to mention that the Venator's front side was sloped in a way so that it's stronger, especially against Vulture droids. Don't know what I mean? You should probably flip back into your trigonometry notebook.
"Realistic"? Those are fucking space ships!
Would have been cool to see one of these in use by the rebellion. It would fit with thier focus on starfighters as well.
They werent really needed though. Rebel ships had hyperdrives, so large carriers werent necessary
But they were i would hate to sit in a cockpit for 12+ hours when a venator can get me to the nearest system and I only have to sit in one for 4 hours
Don't forget venators also come with a jedi
Sometimes several
A_Roll_N_Bread and maybe a hidden boba fett from time to time
Like a sale at the shipyard; buy 1 Venator get a Jedi Knight free
@Vol de la Well sadly they where out of stock after order 66...
@@codieomeallain6635 If you are among the first 100 callers you will also get a padawan completely free
The Venator is really a carrier. If an enemy fleet hyperspaced in within weapons range, a fleet of Venators will be in trouble; they don't have the firepower in a broadside engagement. As long as the Venator can stay outside of weapons range, it's compliment of fighter-bombers will finish the job.
Self-defense cannons
What about the scene in Revenge of the Sith where a Venator takes down a Separatist ship in a broadside
You also port and starboard hangar bays where I'm pretty sure they showed AV 7 canons in Revenge of the Sith.
I will state this again and forever.... CLONE WARS IT'S THE BEST ! The Venators, ARC-170, LAAT- AT-TE, Z-95, Juggernaut, etc are all sexier than the empire.
(P/s : Lol, I see a whole debate down in the replies of which faction is superior and what not and oh bois are they on fire. My comment is just about the aesthetic, not functionality so maybe people may just want to keep it at that, being subjective about the looks)
Completely agree. 👍
I see you're a man of culture as well
Basicly any clone wars eara stuff are better than imperial shit they shoulda stayed with clone wars eara stuff
Agree
Yeah but I think a lot of that was just budget, I am sure George would have gone overboard if he could have back in the day.
The Prequels were really where he could go all out with his ideas.
has anyone noticed the fight against the malevolence in TCW is really simmular to the hunt for the Bismark by UK forces in WW2
Hms king george V and rodney made an appearance in star wars?
You're right, it is.
@@rayhan_2k841 haha, i get that its not the most convincing but look at it this way:
the malevolence (bismark) appears, threatening to take out the republic (britans) medical stations (supply lines).
The republic (britan) sends three venators (HMS Hood and HMS prince of wales) but all are swiftly destroyed (i guess the PoW escaped but meh) leaving only 4 surivors (in the HMS Hoods case there were only 3)
in a panic The republic sends a massive 6 venator task force (HMS glorious, HMS sheffield, HMS george VI, HMS norfolk, HMS rodney and HMS Lion) to intercept it and destroy it.
the venator class "resolute" (HMS glorious) sends in a flight of Y wings (swordfish torpedo bombers) which cripple the ship and send it off course to salucemi (the denmark straight) before it is finally brought down by a volley from the "Garlara" (HMS Norflok)
wasn`t the bismarck taken out by bombers?
@@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singerIts rudder was damaged meaning it couldn't really maneuver well. So it became a sitting duck to a task force of British battleships.
Ah, the famous Venator-class... Yeah, I agree, Alan, I'd definitely take a couple of these to a single ISD I or II. Especially the II. I even think the Venators were equipped with proton torpedo launchers on its bow, giving it even more of a punch. Still, it had its weaknesses which were lower armor for a ship of the line and less firepower than similarly-sized ships such as the Providence-class or the Victory-class. Its triumphs well overcome its shortcomings. I'd take this any day.
It's one of the stark contrast between the Republic Navy, CIS Navy and the Imperial Navy. The Venator, Acclamtor and other ship designs of the Republic Navy favored designs that put as much versatility in as few designs as possible, while the other 2 navies focused more on specialized ships.
Believe it or not, but the venator is well armed. While there's only a few large turbolasers on the top, they are much more powerful and have much better range than the ISD's largest guns. Additionally, there are many deck guns along the length of the ship to allow full broadsides
I just love the Venator design. With a couple supplementary ships, I'd rather have a fleet of ~ 50.000 venators and a couple thousand support ships for the same price than just having 25.000 ISDs
Exactly
And im pretty sure that 2 venators and support ships would have desteoyed 1 isd, heck maybe even 1 venator would be enough due to its ability to strike in multiple place at the same time due to its fighters
The Empire needed the ship carrying feature of this even more than the Republic
The problem is that carriers are only as strong as the fighters They carry
@@ufukcangencoglu2279 well 400ish TIE Fighters is better than the amount carried by the Star Destroyer
Yeah, 400-500 TIEs might actually be somewhat effective at something other than dieing.
Weird flex but ok
What would have worked and have been compatible with the Tarken doctrine [*pause to spit on the ground] is to keep the Venators as support ships for the ISD's. They could keep up, take a beating, and launch hundreds of Ties to cover the ISD's, as well as larger ships like heavy bombers.
And provide small corvettes/gunships with facilities for repair ect.
You also forgot about modification. Although not the norm some Venators had equipped a SPHA turbo laser on their lower hanger which could, as seen in both the RotS and battlefront 2 (2017), could one shot a munificent class frigate or even a providence class dreadnought (cruiser) once the shields on the ship were down.
Same with concession missile launchers
I agree with you. The prequels are my favorites, and I love the Venators. They were never designed to be the main line ships, they were designed to escort larger ships and to fulfill whatever task was at hand.
THIS is why I love the Venator-class star destroyer. As well as my favorite capital starship. 😀
It’s my favorite ship in Star Wars, plus in a sense of artistic designs- Prequel vehicles have way more class and sleek design I dig and appreciate.
@Michael McGrath Don't hate the prequels because it wasn't what u wanted but appreciate it's not the sequel trilogy
I would rather have one ISD and two venators than 2 ISD.
That would be a potent combination.
Better still, would be 1 ISD leading 2 Venators and 1 Victory-2. 1000 fighters, bombers, and interceptors can accomplish most tasks, while the Venator/Victory complement each other's strengths. ISD in reserve should be enough for a major operation.
@@Euripides_Panz This this this
My sentiments exactly. The heavy hitter complimented by 2 carrier/battleships (along with a full complement of fighters) protecting it. Bring in a decent amount of support craft and frigates and your fleet is more effective than a certain ball-shaped planet-killing moon-sized space station.
thats assuming you have ships to fill the venators with
10 reasons why the clone troopers were the best infantry troops
Indeed, that video should be made.
I thought he already made that video? Either that or I'm probably getting it getting it mixed up with eckheart's latter's video.
i have 3 reasons
1. they can hit there target
2. there armor was lighter
3. they can actully kill jedi unlike storm troopers
Can they see out the helmets?
Reason 1~10: they are badass and awesome 😎.
The Venator is the best star destroyer while the Imperial II is the most iconic.
The later Venator Star Destroyers could also cripple larger capital ships with a particle beam cannon with a single blast like in Battlefront II (2017) and ROTS.
CT-1022 imagine using battlefront 2 as reliable source material.
@@longpause2701 Last I checked Battlefront II is technically cannon no matter your opinion is on the game.
Wasn't that cannon an artillery piece (The SPHA I believe) that was attached to the lower hangar of the Venator?
@@AnakinSkywakka I don't believe that was ever actually confirmed even in Legends but it isn't canon. Besides the hanger on the underside of the Venator is more of a docking bay for small frigates and corvettes. The artillery would have to be attached some how upside down on the hanger.
@@silentstorm509th9 From Wookiepedia "At the suggestion of Anakin Skywalker, a heavy SPHA turbolaser cannon was installed within the ventral hangar bay of some Venator-class ships of the Open Circle Fleet. These weapons were meant to protect the Star Destroyers while they opened their long ventral doors to the army complement bays"
The reason the empire took a step back besides just being older movies, is that the empire won through intimidation, so they put many intimidating giant laser cannons on their ships, fitting their ideologies
And got beat by a local blue milk drinking moisture farmer, his sister, Indiana Jones, a walking carpet and a couple of robots. Take that palpatine you scrotum face!🤣
You forgot number 11. The red stripe down the middle. That was badass!
You missed how the venator also had hangar access on both port and starboard sides, as well as a hangar underneath the ship.
I would consider the Venator an Assault Carrier more so than a Star Destroyer. The ship itself doesn’t carry much weaponry for orbital bombardment.
The Acclamator 2 was designed for orbital bombardments
it has direct energy weapon for instantly killing anything near it.
And I would say that it is an Attack Cruiser
@@NightRaven-lh1bf its, i quote from the wiki, "A very capable anti capital ship weapon"
And the SPHA laser was fitted by the incentive of Anakin...
Chara Yes
So when I first watched the clone wars back in 15’ my dad was deployed on operation: inherent resolve and he was aboard the USS Carl Vinson so naturally as a kid I made the connection between the venator and the carrier my dad was on so for me this will always be my favorite ship.
The Venator is a solid ship, and taking one on in battle is no simple prospect.
_However,_ it is not without its flaws.
*-Bridge* *placement:* to be fair, this is something that almost no capital ship in Star Wars seems to get right. Sure, having separate command sections to concentrate on commanding the ship versus fighter ops seems to make sense, but the Venator's twin-flying-bridges arrangement seems like it's just asking for trouble by being so exposed - and there is no advantage to the exposed tower. It makes sense for aircraft carriers, but they do it to make sure their radar and communication systems get as far above sea level as possible, squeezing out as much range as possible, but that isn't a factor for starships like the Venator - and if it were, they'd need a matching pair of bridges on the underside to cope with the huge blind spot the hull imposes. A better arrangement would be to have the bridge(s) buried in the center of the ship, not hanging exposed two hundred meters away from the heavy armor and shields.
*-Versatility:* While the Venator's broad mission profile means it can reasonably go up against almost any enemy, it puts a 59-million-credit lower limit on how much any given operation is going to cost. Destroy a Separatist base? Send a Venator, 59M credits. Peacekeeping in a backwater system? Send a Venator, 59M credits. Defend a key world? Send Venators, continue to plonk down 59M-credit gobs of cash until you have enough Venators to handle the threat. They're a one-size-fits-most solution that only scales in terms of how many Venators you want to send at a time. Even the Republic seems to have realized this, since they (eventually) rolled out the Gozanti and Arquitens classes of light cruisers to handle missions that a Venator would be overkill for.
*-Troop* *Capacity:* 2,000 men might sound like a lot, but isn't really enough to make much of a difference on a planetary scale. For comparison, that's slightly _less_ than the total number of US forces in the First Battle of Fallujah in 2004. Oh, they'd be fine in raids and limited strikes, but the ground-troop complement of a Venator would have barely been a drop in the bucket in any of the major battles of WW2. The Germans lost at least 50% more men than that in Operation: Market Garden, for example, and that was a crushing victory for the Nazis. And the numbers of LAAT's don't really add up, either: even at max capacity, you'd need 67 transports to unload all the troopers at once, but the Venator only carries 40. Almost half of them are going to have to fly down, unload, and run back to the ship for more to get all those boots onto the ground - and that assumes that none of the LAAT's are damaged or destroyed in the process, and the troops don't mind going in as just infantry, with no AT-TE's along for that first wave. Alternately, they could stuff the AT-TE's with troops and use the LAATs' vehicle-carrying configuration, but that still only gets somewhat more than half the troops into position; you'd still need 30 of the Venator's 40 to come back for another shift.
*-Fighter* *Bays/Atmospheric* *Entry:* Don't get me wrong, the Venator's strike wing is excellent: nearly 500 fighters, interceptors, bombers, and gunships is a very powerful fleet air arm. And having the open bays allows for rapid deployment. ...But don't pretend that such an admitted vulnerability does anything but hurt the Venator's ability to take punishment - which is exacty what it would be exposed to when it drops down into a planet's atmosphere to provide fire support. Becoming a kilometer-long gunship would make the Venator a huge bullet magnet, which means it's pretty much committed to being _just_ a gunship: no shuttle or fighter will want to dock with it while it's under fire, and the Venator wouldn't want to let them in, either, because that would mean opening the bay doors.
...Look, I agree: the Venator is a very good ship, and does the things it was designed for very well. The issues I mention above notwithsdanding, the Empire should have kept more of them in service. But every design involves compromises, so if we're going to crush the Separatists and not get a bunch of good clones killed, we should not be blind to that fact.
Agreed.
Yep. They did make a smart change when later Venators had a smaller hangar access door. But another issue is the gun PLACEMENT. Those turbolasers are all focused on the dorsal side of the hull. Meaning that if an enemy cruiser got beneath it, the Venator's screwed. In space, tho, they could just roll and fire "upside down," something they kinda forgot about space it seems.
I'm pretty sure Venetors could be outfitted as more specialized carriers, troop carriers, battleships or command ships. Specialized for defending the core or patroling the outer rim etc...
Hey, atleast the ship looks sexy. So if it goes down, it'll go down with style.
you’re right, but don’t forget about fire power. i love the Venator but i think its space opera things ... Isd are so big because they have armor and space inside. the movies show them wrong. the venator would fire a long time, to actually destroy a Isd. plus, nobody takes burst fire and constant dps into calculation. i just mean the numbers are odd ... venator has x fighters, x troops and shit on board. i mean they have to eat, shit and sleep. that takes up space. space that is required for shield batteries, power supplies and things i can’t imagine. when you would simulate them in an actual battle, the venator would blow up after a few barrages of fire. i mean its hypothetic, but the venator couldn’t keep up the fire fight. when they both encounter each other in let’s say a head on. when could they fire at each other, 100 kilometers away? in the films the stand side by side ... but in a real, this distance is nothing for turbo lazzor batteries ... i mean they shoot with light, so ... the projectiles travel with light speed ... a venator couldn’t outmaneuver that, so it’s practically dead at 100 kilometers away (62 Miles). Oki, that’s why hit´n run tactics. so, deploy all fighters far away and jump in with all you have. but like tba113 said you would lose a lot of clones. actually, ... all i say ... why you ask? oki some things to consider:
so let’s sum up what the venators place management is all about: clones -sleeping, -eating, -shitting, -showering and every day stuff. so, you need food, water and a place for waste. oki waste is blown out into space. oki, we synth water from space, but that’s another machine which uses space inside the ship. clone warrior equipment, shield stuff, engines, power core, batteries -for sustained firing ... FUEL, hyperdrive, fighters, bombers- at st´s, other shit and maintenance stuff. i think this is a odd number problem what never gets addressed by anyone.
what is an Isd filled with? air, rocks? i think a bunch of shield things, tactical anti hack shit, batteries ... and a much better armor, which wouldn’t be that easily fucked by those over powered Rebel rockets. I know, no Rebels here at this point, but i think they’re rockets a to powerful, why don’t the Imperium have such things. maybe they have, but i don’t know it.
Also, everybody forgets about maintenance stuff ... you think, what the shit is that? spare parts for the fighters for example. i mean in realistic condition an y-fighter was sure hit by a tie fighter in battle. not destroyed, but hit. now you say, these fighters aren’t on the venator and you’re right ... but that’s just because i don’t know the names for this kind of fighters and bombers. but i think they are somehow the same. more expansive but well armored, have hyperdrives. it’s like the Rebels kept the fighter concept against the imperium. good fighters, bombers and a carry against an Isd. oki, in the films x-wings are in bad condition but, lets say everything is new and fresh ...
... here is another thing with our custom battle. the video and some (all) comments said ... hey, let’s go one on one, Isd against Venator ... nobody said which fraction and which fighters would be used in this battle. so oki, lets say Isd against Venator, the standard fighters and bombers on both ships. no fractions included.
Venator with all fighters deployed, jumps to star destroyer, hit and run style. Venator loses, you ask why was my point on the start. when the Venator arrives, close to the star destroyer for max accuracy to disable the lazzor batteries of the Isd, how fast would it be? i think not fast enough to disable all of the Isd weapon systems in time. how fast can a Venator fire? like three salvos before the Isd can fire back? Shields of the Isd should handle that easy. after the Venator is destroyed the fighters have to go somewhere. they could jump somewhere and restock, repair and plan the next hit´n run. but the Venator would be destroyed.
oki, Venator fighters and bombers you say. they have rockets and stuff. but i say, shields of the Isd are still on. so the rockets and bombs don’t do, or do a lot less damage. yeah, but Venator fighters disable shield points on Isd! oki you’re right but how fast. doesn’t that mean this would be a tie? why a tie? because the Isd is deploying fighters too. so the Venator fighters have to retreat after a while? i mean the Venator is lost.
"oki lets do it on a timeline here, i think its more understandable:"
- i thought about a way the Venator could win this, i wanted to present you the way, the Isd would destroy the Venator. but i think it is easier to present a way, how the Venator could win and how tactical it has to be. i am rethinking the whole text i wrote, but its late and i am tired and i was thinking like 3 hours how this fight would end. so, you get a time line how i would destroy an Isd with a venator, where i assume how some things would work out:
fight starts: Venator and deployed fighters jump close to Isd. (why close? dont know. the film is like that. it would be the best if the Venator jumps far away but still in weapon reach and the fighter very close to the Isd to get fast to the shield weak spots. oki, maybe the Venator jumps close because the Isd outranges the Venator anyway and the weapon systems are closer more powerful (weapons of Venator more powerful close? why would that be you ask? consider here odd number problem of the Venator, too much stuff in it, for less money and same weapon capacity? no way^^))
Venator open fire at ... at what ... i even don’t know how shields work proper in this case. if the shields hold back all damage, the Venator have to shoot first the weak spots. that means it have to think about where it jumps, in other words ... in which position it jumps. from above, face to face, from below, from the back? Could the Venator even detect in which position the Isd is parked? i mean oki ... it is doing some planetary blockade or other Imperial things. i say oki, Venator knows the exact position and direction Isd is facing. so, it jumps under it. Venator direction is to deal max burst dps in a short amount of time. i don’t know how the Venator does the most damage in the fewest time, how it burst damages the most. i assume the Venator is under the Isd and has all 8 main turrets aimed up to shoot the under shield generator and after that, straight the hangar for preventing fighters to deploy. maybe this is even a weak spot of the Isd which isn’t armored and the Venator could do a lot of damage. i hope this is a weak spot^^ ...
at the same time Venator fighters and bombers jump above the Isd and target first the two upper shield generators. after that the main weapons systems and after that the maneuver thrusters and main thrust.
oki, that’s no time line, but you get what i mean. if just something is going wrong and the Isd could shoot at the Venator, it would go down to fast.
this is a hard and risky maneuver to do. why? you have to synchronize two fleets. first you have to split your army, so the deff of your carrier, the Venator Fighters and bombers are jumping to coordinates above the Isd but outside of the Isd detection range. after that, they aim for the Isd and jump the second time. while the Venator itself has to to the same. so, jumping somewhere far away, under the Isd, maneuver around and jump to get under it. the have to arrive quite simultaneously because the Isd could move/maneuver.
don’t forget, you have to know the exact position and facing of the Isd. I think this could work, but you have so much to lose and you have to do a first strike with the Venator, so ... i am quite sure, face to face, the Isd would shred it.
by the way:
- why do Isd have they’re shield generators outside and the Venator doesn’t have this kind of problems? not so strong shields, don’t require that much cooling?
- Isd turbo Lazzor batteries could hit the millennium falcon. in some film they’re escaping from somewhere and the Isd are blocking the way. han say something like, we have to get here away quick. when they hit us, we are dead. so i think that’s another space opera thing. you could argue that the millennium falcon is a bigger ship, but ... hey it’s not like main chars are never hit in the films by storm troopers. in a realistic fight, they would hit close targets i think. so i think they would hit other fighters as well.
- hyperdrives are expansive, or at least not at all places available. the silver ship of padme needs one in the film on tatooine. so i think that’s why the tie-fighter got invented and why expansive little ships where abandoned.
i mean look at the Venetor. i don’t know how much spare parts for fighters they have on board, but when they run out, they have to get ships from the better star systems than the outer rim for fighters ... and i mean how much fuel does such restock runs cost? i think you’re cheaper with an Isd.
so i say, keep Venetor and Isd in same fleet, replace expansive fighters with cheap ones and you’re good to go against everything
I'm a huge fangirl of the Venator. Aircraft carriers beat battleships, that's how history works.
Up close, Battleships will rape carriers. Simple solution? Stay outta range.
@@aaronlonghuynh5245 unfortunately the incompetent jedi rarely did and ordered close attacks
Venators have 4 Hangars. The retractable, long one on top, 2 on the sides, and 1 on the bottom.
Its like a hornets nest...
I believe the one with the sides is a later model
@@HansHammertime Nah, we see the side hangers as soon as the Clone Wars movie, which takes place something like two months into the war.
Admiral Ozzel would've saved the Executor! #piettyoufool
HA HA! So when will u make other species videos and Earth based MBTs or IFVs vs Star Wars equivalent videos?!!!!!!
Do the ARC-170 next
Piett wasn't stupid but inexperienced.
@@troo_6656 agreed. I mean, we don't know how long he was a captain, but he'd been an admiral for what, two years, and suddenly he's in charge of the most critical fleet in the empire? Seems questionable. "Hey, you survived in Vader's fleet for two years hunting scattered rebels, that must mean you can run this operation!" Rather than looking at what admirals had more experience designing and running the defense of a large space station against a full fleet of determined attackers. The skillset for hunting down rebels does not equal the skillset for a static defense.
I agree the Venator is the best class of star destroyer in the star wars galaxy. In the star wars empire at war game, I always play with mods that let me build Venators.
I'm bias cause the prequels where the thing when I was growing up. Remember my dad taking me to see Episode 2, 5 times in Theaters. After seeing all the Star Wars movies, even now seeing the flaws of the prequels, I can still say 100% I just have more fun watching the prequels. The Venator is probably by far my favorite ship in SW. The resurgence class looked waaaaay cooler in early concept art, but then they made it look like an ISD that needs to go on a diet.
The Venator Class is one of my favorite ships from Star Wars for all the reasons you listed , also I’d have to say that the Republic had some of the best vehicles and soldiers in Star Wars
FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
F*** THE REPUBLIC!
@@pyeitme508 You sound like a sepratist! How about a droid popper?
@@thenoicesoldier4817 I AM A F*** ING TERRAN WHO HAS NO SINGLE MIDI-CHORIAN! ALSO FOR EARTH'S FREEDOM!!!!
For the Republic!!
Peter Yim I don’t know what that means. Is that Starcraft? XD
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Empire star destroyer: 80 mac guns and 60 ion cannons
First order: hold my beer
Should have been deathsticks.
The venator looks so amazing as well!!
I think the senator would complement the ISD and Victory nicely.
I don't know if political figures do well as complements to Space cruisers and destroyers, but it will be still interesting.
Number 11. Anti Dolphin shields
Q q, explain....
Excuse me what the fuck?
The Venator-Class star destroyer has numerous defenses against dolphins one of them being the moonpool used to dispose of any unwanted aquatic life that happens to sneak onto the ship another being that the dolphins do not have necessary access to get to the shield generators or engine room as the clones would shoot them on sight.
@@britbrittingson3129 KEKW what
@@ricepatty5258 in the beginning if you pause at around 0:06 on the bottom it says no anti dolphin measures
I would point out, the fighter complement on a Venator does cost something on the order of ninety million credits to produce new, which shrinks the price gap between it and an ISD quite a bit. It's still a much more versatile and efficient ship, don't get me wrong, but not quite to the three-to-one level its base price suggests.
@@NightRaven-lh1bf Oh yay, I'm not the only one!
@@NightRaven-lh1bf Oh Jesus yea that number is utterly obscene. But at the same time, I feel the look on the other guy's face when the Venator just starts disgorging an endless swarm of Defenders...
I’d still think a venator would beat an isd if it used all its resources and capabilities. A venator might not be able to beat an isd with its weapons alone, but it’s got 6 times the number of fighter ships than an isd does and can deploy them much more quickly and efficiently. Not only that, the fighters are solid and strong, not flimsy and weak like tie fighters, and have a whole range of bombers and interceptors. And we all know that most ship battles in Star Wars end with the fighters taking out the capital ships. So I think, on a 1 on 1 situation, a venator will be able to beat an isd if it used all its resources and played it smart, using its fighters to weaken and disable it and then bringing in the venator to finish it off. After all, the isd doesn’t even have a point defence system so it cant fend off the fighters on its own. It has to rely on the tie fighters, and we already that the venator has 6 times the number of isd fighters
And it still adds up to be cheaper than the isd
@@FulcrumHQ99 bassically jumping out of hyper space y wings ready, rebel alliance style, only with 5 times more bombers and enought ark's 170 to make the tie numerical advantage look like joke
tataveve_angel 大火 yeah exactly. Venator Star destroyers for the win
The Venator-class is, hands down, my FAVORITE ship in Star Wars... and I’m old enough to have seen the Original Trilogy in theaters! It’s just such a purpose-driven design.
Generation Tech: "That idiot Tarkin"
Tarkin: :'(
An add on to your point about having fighters with light speed. Just as they can head in to battle already deployed you can also use them to retreat much faster since they can jump away from the battle on there own well an Imperial Star Destroyer would have to wait for its fighters to land or abandon them.
An excellent point.
Let's be honest, GAR is the best army
That's highly debatable. I'd say the Imperial Army is overall and generally-speaking better. Troopers still have standardized and effective equipment and receive some decent military training. Ultimately though, the Imperial Army is superior to the Republic one for one thing: it's that the Imperial Army has more numbers than the GAR. Without a doubt, on average the individual clone is superior to an Imperial Army trooper (and stormtrooper as well) - however, there are significantly less numbers in the GAR. Clones are extremely expensive to produce and take a longer time to train and prepare than normal recruits and conscripts of the Imperial Army - trading quantity for quality. Ultimately, the Imperial Army has superior numbers than the GAR by a significant amount - and argueably still decent equipment, which is why the Imperial Army is No. 1. However, I will say the Republic Army/CIS takes the No. 2 spot - all three of them are the most powerful superpowers in militaries.
Definitely. And after all, it did win a straight up war-more than you can say for anyone else.
@@Edward-oh2yn
Well remove the jedi and I would definitely pick the GAR.
Their tactics and vehicles were better overall than the Imperial ones.
The only advantage of the Empire is the number, it lack in every other domains.
Well an ISD is powerful in fleet battles, but put some bombers and the ISD is no more
+@@Edward-oh2yn They couldn't even beat a few squadrons of space jihadists trying to attack a meal blob which they themselves made.
@@Edward-oh2yn Imperials with Clone Wars era gear would have done much better, The Rebels snub-fighter heavy tactics would have been nowhere near as effective. But yes I agree, the Imp's had their strong points but were significantly handicapped by the many of the REMF in charge of the military and the gear they were provided.
You really inspire me. You show another view to the star wars universe with logic, reason and a good sense of humor
Nothing is more scary as an admiral then a crap ton of arc-170's
The venator is the greatest ship that is in the Star Wars Galaxy
Hapan and Bakuran stuff is better, and the DP-20 and liberator cruiser/carriers are just ridiculous for their size but I agree that in Disney canon it is the best designed ship(unless the DP20 is canon)
I disagree the providence class carrier/destroy is better then the venator but that's my opinion
@@deeos2238 The providence had less fighters (240 compared to a venators 420) less turbolasers (14 to a Venators 16, and the Venators were better) worse weapon placement due to shape worse point defenses (46 to a Venators 52) a slower hyperdrive (class 1.5 compared to a class 1) The Venator could also land. The providence was a little better armored and shielded and was slightly faster as well, which let the Providence hold it's own if you didn't involve the fighters
@@adrastos8401 in terms of firepower the providence has more because its has 14 quad turbolaster cannons which are more powerful then the 8 dual heavy turbolase the venator has plus you forgot to mention the provinces 102 proton torpedo tubes it has while true the venator has more fighter it lacks the firepower of a provendece
I also forgot about the providence 34 dual laser cannons and 2 heavy ion cannons
I think that 1 on 1 the Venator would win, starfighters win more battles than pure firepower, I am pretty sure that a clever Venator Captain could use all assets in a battle, including clone troopers, LAATs and AT-TEs, to get the advantage overt the ISD, the Venator is more flexible than the ISD, for example you could launch a boarding party with LAATs, and attack from the inside and blow up the ship with a Special boarding squad, also the LAATs have missiles which could do some damage and the laser cannons can clear the hangar while they unload troops, hold position and plant explosives in the reactor and then leave.
So an average day in the original Battlefront II
It can go either way. ISD though, wins in areas like superior armor and weapons.
A company of galactic marines would do the trick
But then the ISD would have to be in the atmosphere of a planet bc LAAT gunships are Low Altitude Assault Transports, meaning that it could only be used in atmospheres.
The ISD could just maneuver out of the atmosphere to avoid being boarded by LAATs.
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Actually the LAAT can be used in space.
Loved this breakdown, and now I'm struggling between Venators and Resurgents as my fave Star Destroyers!
I’m extremely grateful for generation tech and a few other youtubers that do these types of videos cause thanks to them I was able to build military and naval doctrines for the sides fighting in a war in my book,and choose which vehicles and starships that each side would use.
Those are some bold words Allen, when the Pellaeon class Star destroyer exists
unfortunately Pellaeon was made briefly canon by Rebels and then mostly killed by a giant space whale before he had a chance to do anything greart
Generation Tech I know that, I’m talking about the star destroyer class named after him in legends
@@GenerationTech Space squid/Sperm Whale
@@GenerationTech Not true! Dave Filoni actually made a comment on that saying that they simply wanted to have Pellaeon put into play. He *is* most likely still alive though according to Dave. And thank god for that, since he was one of my favorite old EU characters.
+@@GenerationTech At least he wasn't kidnapped by space octopi.
I woke up at 2 am for this.... life done right
hmm you must be in the pacific somewhere
@@GenerationTech Holy Crap, i cant believe you responded, love your channel... and yeah, Australia
Beauty of a vid! Been waiting for you to finesse this ship!!!!
I dont understand why there are 192 eta jedi starfighters and only 36 arc 170s. I feel like it should be the other way
We do see the short comings of the Venator when it tries to fight heavier ships I.E separatist Lucrehulk's and that is where a deicated heavy slugging ship would fair better. But Deploying just a single class of ship as your full navy is a flawed tactic where as a combined battle group of one ISD1, one or two venators and two victory classes along side a mix of cruisers, frigates and corvettes as these would over the blind spots of all the SD's as all suffer from the problem of limited to no weapons on the rear.
Z J true however the ISD seemed to be more often sent alone to deal with problems or without support ships like at Scarfi, Jedha . Sending one ship that can handle anything makes sense when policing civilians as the empires resources where stretched thin due to all planets they ruled
@@reecewestmoreland6137 Because Disney has generally refrained from expanding the Imperial navy much. The Empire in Legends had dozens of different ships with different intended mission profiles, including multiple proper anti-fighter corvettes and patrol frigates such as the Lancer Frigate, Tartan Patrol Cruiser, IPV-1, and Raider corvette. There's other factors for why they were struggling with the rebels, like the quality-versus-cost of the rebel starfighters (In particular the X, A, and B-wings), the pool of Imperial recruits (Normal humans filling the enlisted ranks, and too many entitled rich kids making it into command positions), and the age of TIE L/n Fighter on top of all of that.
Also, the criticism of the Empire's lack of hyperdrive has a simple explanation; They didn't need hyperdrives. When Imperial capital ships entered the system, they were pretty much the dominant force and anti-imperial forces had to GTFO or be crushed. They weren't operating with "slash&run" guerrilla warfare tactics, they simply sent one of their obscenely well armed Star Destroyers into a system and took control. A lot of the Rebels' major victories were due to ace heroes like Luke, Leia, Han, Wedge, and Lando pulling off crazy stunts that only work thanks to dumb luck that has no counter.
@@SoftisNelaris Not really even in legends the ISD was the mainline of the empire and had the same flaws and was all we saw on screen in most battles. This isn't a cannon verse legends. debate as it's always been the same. The ISD was always meant to be a lone operation ship
Reece Westmoreland those examples are poor as they are not actual battles required a large war effort, just a minor skirmish in the grand scheme of things. Movies are heavily influenced by plot armour making the bad guys redundant in on screen lore.
Well, we see both in legends material (like the Thrawn-trilogy) or in canon material (the book Thrawn) that imperial Star destroyers while on many occasions accted alone also were often supported by other ships - scurisers and smaller types. In Thrawn, the ISD is the core of a small fleet of ships which support each other, which made a lot of sense. Of course we see that little in the films since it is much easier to show the "bad guys" with just one easy to identify ship, instead of creating a mix of different ships. Imagine a fight in which the Empire use Nebulon-B (a imperial design) together with less known corvettes etc. against a swarm of rebel ships. The viewer would very easy have problems to see who is fighting on which side, for example if two Nebulon B are exchaning fire. That many imperial ships have the typical star-destroyer design make things a little bit better, but still it is much more easy to reduce one side just to a single typ of ship.
Venators are very good
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Venator always my fav too. The amount of hanger space allows amazing versatility!
Every ship has its flaws.
It’s just how well you can manage with them.
Honestly I rather deal with the flaws in the Venator class destroyer then the star destroyers mostly the fact that the only bridge on the ship is the most exposed part with little defense against enemy aircraft
@@viperbuzzard01h84 That and at least with the Venator, you get good quality starships to assist, while the ISD has the junky TIEs.
The Venator has always been my favorite version of the star destroyer.
I am a prequel fan, they were the first Star Wars movies I watched. And the Venator class star destroyer is one of my favourite ships and my fav star destroyer.
Exactly.
Also do a video on the top 10 star wars creatures you should eat on sight.
I think the Venator could’ve had the size increased and be refitted with better weapons
I think so too, but the armor should be upgraded to a modern composite material. This would make it lighter, thinner and stronger.
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Great video! The Venator class is my all time favorite ship in the Star Wars universe
The Venator and Acclamator were some of the most versatile and practical ships in Star Wars. Would love to see spiritual successors to these.
When calculating the price of the Venator, you should probably add something to cover the cost of the star fighters, given how they were such a big part of the ship's capability, where as for the Star Destroyer they are more of an afterthought.
My fleet would likely be Venators as carriers and then scaled down models of an ISD (Imperial Star destroyer) to be an actual destroyer to escort it (I’d also remove the ion cannons and replace them with point defence systems)
here have the katana fleet, costs a tenth of a venator (per ship) and has the same amount of weapons (also per ship)
A scaled down ISD? Hmm could be the Victory or Vindicator.
1. Hanger 2. Hanger 3. Hanger 4. Hanger 5. Hanger 6. Hanger 7. Hanger 8. Hanger 9. Hanger 10. Looks really cool
The venator has always been my favorite since I first saw it but yeah I love everything from the clone war era I mean it's what I grew up to and what introduced me to star wars so it'll always hold a close place in my heart but yeah definitely a fan of clone war era war machines
The amazing venator class starts Star destroyer red is my second favorite color so I course I like the venator
Can you please do a video on the ARC 170 star fighter?
Will always be my favorite Star Wars battleship. This video just gave further affirmation to believe this.
You guys should do a build your own army/navy video where you choose from the different factions in Star Wars and fill the different roles like main infantry and tanks for army or main capital ship and escort frigate, I think it would be really cool to hear what your guys think would be the best combination for them
Btw love this channel
do the droideka next please!
Dude, awesome video...
There's a mod for Empire at War: Forces of Corruption called FOC Alliance that has an interesting upgraded version of the Venator called the Protector-class Star Destroyer. The main modifications include welding the central hangar doors shut, adding a bunch of turbolasers along the now-welded doors, and converting the docking ports on the side into hangars so the Protector can still have fighter support.
The mod also has the Advanced Venator, but it's a radically-upgraded design whose main selling point is its Proton Beam.
"Piett. You fool."
Imagine what the rebels could do with a GIANT MOVING BASE that can carry HUNDREDS of ships and also a transport in the hangar on the bottom.
If you use all your ships you could take an ISD, maybe 2 if you are lucky....
Markaplience the rebel alliance used hit and run tactics a vendor would just slow them down
I just subscribed, great video glad im not the only one who loves the clones era. Also you should do the juggernaut, you know i scratch your back you scratch mine.
I like that the rain bridge design is also in the real world, on the Royal Navy's Queen Elizabeth class supercarriers, with one bridge concerning the control of the ship, and the other being for flying operations, but both being able to do the others job of needed.
Number 11. IT’S A FREAKING VENATOR
Number 12. VENATOR MEANS HUNTER IN LATIN
Even though I grew up with the original trilogy I have to admit the vehicles of the clone troopers are just way better and if I had to choose my military sources I would definitely take those models over the Empire's any day. They may not be as big but I can definitely hold their own. And quite possibly even Outlast Eampire in a dogfight. Would you be willing to do a video on that or have you done already I would possibly stand a better chance at winning a fight on both the ground and space between the clone troopers and the Imperial Arm
@@matthewjohnson3562 And on top of that, the TIE L/n Fighter was top of the line when it came out at the beginning of the Empire's rise, with speed and manuverability outclassing even the most nimble Clone-Wars era fighter, let alone the slower ones like the ARC-170 and V-19 Torrent on top of their decent weaponry and production cost.
Awesome video! You should do a vs. video comparing the Venator with the MC-80 Home One.....
Man is a W person Venator is my favourite ship thanks for making a video about it
Can you do the Juggernaut tank next
The clone turbo tank?
Nailed guys. I only wonder: was that dorsal hangar door that huge? Doesn't look like it in the movies. Looks as big as the ventral hangar of an ISD actually. And these hangars had multiple launching bays on its sides, making it effectively a giant mouth vomiting TIE fighters. Still twice worse of a launching capability than a Venator, but we never see the supposed huge numbers of Venator fighters anyway. SW likes to overly boost its numbers beyond what is actually on screen. This is a well known phenomenon. That said, the Venator still makes much more sense in the Star Wars universe. At least until SW engineers finally decide to up their game in terms of range, precision, maneuverability and speed.
The central red stripe that ran along the dorsal side of the venator was a door to give all the hanger bays access, the scene that was shown in ep III was just a small part at the back of the door (and imo was put in so you don't have to open the entire dorsal hanger and leave the ship exposed)
@@maxzinusnightfury1208 Multiple dorsal doors? Makes sense.
Actually early Clone Wars Venators had the really long hangar door. Later on they redesigned them with smaller doors to protect the hangar. And the side doors weren't directly connected to the main hangar, but could be accessed by a corridor. Also, with the smaller door, a hatch of sorts was added to the prow of the ship for extra fighter exits.
I've been working on kind of an alternate universe version of Star Wars for a while. In it I bring the Venator in for the Alliance as often as I can. Maybe they managed to find some derelict from the Clone Wars. Maybe some decommissioned ones had been stolen from scrap yards. In the end I look at the idea of a fleet of Venators loaded with late model Alliance starfighters and just see pure awesomeness. I mean, the compliment carried on an MC-80 is impressive and can cause a lot of damage. Imagine having the sheer numbers that a single Venator can carry.
I like that they turned this ten flaws series into a ten features that make X great
10 features that made the Droid Tri-Fighter the BEST FIGHTER in Star Warts next?
Star Warts: The Pimple Wars is a masterpiece.
Republic ships an vechiels are better than those from the empire butt one ship is better, the TIE defender make a video about the TIE defender and the ARC-170.
I love your opinion on the Tarkin Doctrine, LOL. The best part of it, you're dead on!!!
Like the Clones i loved this design for some reason, great video. I wonder if any of these ships survived in terms of being in a boneyard for former ships? I think that the Clone War era was the best time period in what we know of and have seen in the SW franchise, so interesting.