2018 Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD - Redline: Review
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2017
- With sales of their sedans struggling, Acura takes its best offering and gives the design a much needed uptick in style for 2018. Throw in a new A-Spec sport package and the 2018 TLX finally has the more premium look next to your neighbor's Accord. Only time will tell if Acura will once again be able to get you to trade in your aging European luxury sedan on this new TLX.
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Just picked mine up today. Absolutely the most amazing vehicle I’ve ever got to experience. You definitely have to drive one for yourself to see how amazing these things are
What's the 0-60 times for this car? I've always seen 5.8-5.9secs
@@bbbt8090 that's correct.
Yup, it’s a great daily. I love mine
@@bbbt8090 fast enough to take you to point A to point B
Meh my mazda 6 gt feels waaaay better to drive and gets better gas mileage
Thank god it doesn't have a hideous chrome beak. I hope Acura continues that trend with their other models.
Mitch 3k The beak type grill fitted the 2017 ILX very well, until Honda made the Civic grill similar...
Mitch 3k I actually find the new look like a pig, the beak fits it better
The ILX itself is a disappointment. Acura should've gave it the power plants of the new Civic SI and Type R and bring the Integra name back.
That ugly chrome stuff goes to 2018 accord.
I agree with you but between this model and the 2010 Acura TL is my favorite the 2010 was the most masculine Acura sedan probably ever
I wish the interior looked a tiny bit more premium. They did great updating the exterior though
yeah the interior looks garbage and way below its price tag. If you look at german interiors and then look at this its like miles apart.
Hunter Dugas I went and sat it one and compared to others, it still feels incredible. The wheel is bolstered nicely, stitching is class, and the alcantera is really soft. I am test driving on Wednesday. The one I looked at was 45k.
MrWalker1000 I went and tested a Lexus gs350 f sport...that interior was....wow
You can’t buy it anyway
if honda do that as u wish the rlx then would not sell at all
The front grill looks like you're going into hyperspace.
Have this exact one for 2 months now and LOVE it. I think lots of people should book a test drive before judging. It is very fun to drive. I personally love the front grill, and the interior. It's all about personnal tastes. Some people like the new trend of sticking a freaking tablet on the dash, I personally love the 2 screens seated in. The touch screen is super fast and responsive. The ZF9 gets so much hate but really, on sports and sports + it's doing a great job. So much fun to drive in the snow lol.
Let's hope they bring a Type S with a 6 speed manual.
Bao Nguyen Type S maybe, manual? Doubt it. They can't push many manual units...
iishyxvietxboyii I agree with you, but one can always hope for a 6 speed manual to return to Acura's lineup of vehicles.
A 6 speed would sell well everywhere except the US so bringing in a few manual units shouldn't be that crazy.
We can always dream, Bao. Sadly, low take rates for manuals is our reality.
Robert B. you are absolutely right. Especially with the advancements with automatic transmissions being able to shift quicker and more efficiently. I would also think with the increase of traffic on a daily basis also deters people away from a manual transmission vehicle.
its a step in the right direction, ill give them that.
The good news is this is just a refresh. Hopefully Honda/Acura will really take off when they redesign the models.
OneSlowCL9 Exactly what im hoping for!
They need to get back to aggressive designs like previous generations. This just isn't Acura right now.
Justamazon 33 and add new And innovative solutions to safety . How else BMW and Mercedes Benz stay at the top
Jeremiah Anthony i wouldn't say its the safety features that's keeping them ahead.
The exterior is starting to grow on me. I think I'll like it more once I see it in person. Acura really needs to redo the interior though, like he said. :(
I really enjoy your reviews. You always mention what real drivers want to hear about in great detail. Nice job!
Javier Kano Thank you! And thank you again for watching :)
I wouldn't consider Acura luxury. I would call it premium.
B Blackwell perfect description
B Blackwell I wouldn't even call it premium. It's like less than that....
philo lee not until you drive one...
If you have to drive one to know its "premium" or "luxury" it's not really either of them is it.
B Blackwell +1 👍
thank you for that interview at the end. it was a nice touch.
say what you will about the styling but that honda V6 is a great engine. would take that over turbo 4 any day.
shindawg3 2019 Accord no longer offer V6 I hear.
shindawg3 it's slower than the a4 2.0t, 330i 2.0t, giulia 2.0t so I'd rather have those. This is an Accord engine the TLX needs a turbo 6 with 350 hp as the higher engine. Interior isn't as nice as the others and nav system map graphics isn't any better than a 2011 odyssey. The styling in this blue is fantastic but it's not even really a relevant competitor to giulia, c class, a4 and 3 series as well as ats
Josh R I hear ya. I know the turbo 4s in those are faster but also lighter cars. Just a personal preference for me with the v6 I like the feel of those better. agree though that Acura needs to overhaul this to even be in the conversation with those other cars. I owned a 2007 TL and Acura has not released a car I'm interested in since then.
How is it slower than Audi and BMW?!!!!! 252hp for Audi, 248hp for 3 series and 295 for this V6! I am pretty sure the torque ratings are higher too. What are you talking about bruvv?
Vishu Thapa cause look at tests from motor trend. The BMW and Audi are very underrated and the Acura is rated 290 hp
The Accord and the TLX. They might share some parts but they are a different beast all together. The Accord is design to be an overall in general type of vehicle, family friendly. The TLX, on the other hand is FUN FUN FUN and sportiness all around. I test drove both and I think the Accord is bulky and feels body/nose heavy. You will understand the difference once you drive both back to back.
Exactly! You don't know about Acura's until you drive then everyday.
you know for as much of a car enthusiasts as this man proclaims to be he really doesn't seem to be too enthusiastic about any of the cars that he reviews
Test drove an AWD A-Spec w/ Tech package today. I was pretty impressed. The red leather seats were AMAZING; that thigh extender is actually really nice and comfortable.
How was the speaker system?
@@chadpaquette6214 they have pretty nice audio systems
I went to test drive a new A-Spec and these are my impressions:
Impressive suspension, makes the car feel tight but still soaks up large
bumps and imperfections very well.
Seats were supremely comfortable. I only had it for 40 minutes, so my
opinion might change on a long roadtrip.
I couldn't tell a difference between 'sport' and 'sport+'. In my opinion
just having 'sport' would have been sufficient. It's probably a
marketing thing. Sport+ compared to normal offered a marginally more
responsive throttle and more of what I believe to be emulated engine
sound.
The wireless charging pad quickly charged my passenger's Nexus 6 to full
capacity. The Apple Carplay function looked excellent, with crisp icons
and visuals. Unfortunately controlling it with the rotary dial was very
unintuitive (borderline distracting). I'm not sure why they didn't
choose to have Carplay on the touch screen. I didn't get an opportunity
to test Android Auto, so no thoughts on that.
I did not like the location of the mode change button which is next to
the transmission push buttons. Though it felt different I could still
see someone absentmindedly going for neutral instead of switching drive
modes in-flight.
The turning circle was ENORMOUS compared to other cars I've owned and
test-driven. I tried to turn around a cul-de-sac and it turned into a
frustrating 5-point turn experience which was not helped by the push
button transmission. My passenger commented that '[They] would not buy
this car just because the turning circle sucks'.
The rear camera gave a very poor idea of proximity. The camera showed
inches from running over a fence when parking back at the dealership. A
glance out the window told me I had ~4 feet. This car ostensibly has
'surround' cameras which I couldn't figure out how to activate. It might
have been hidden in a menu that I didn't find. There are also no
parking sensors, which I've found to be helpful even with a camera.
On the Acura TL and older MDX the ELS system was a definite high point.
The system in the TLX that I tried sounded bland and muffled compared to
how I remember those sounding. It also didn't hold a candle to my Bang
& Olufson system in my S4, but that's perhaps an unfair comparison.
The air-conditioned seats didn't seem to do anything over the time I
drove it. Compared to the RX350 I recently drove (which I would rate as
'good') this feature was lacking. The cabin air conditioning itself was
mediocre. It didn't help that it was almost 100 degrees the day I went
to test it, but it definitely couldn't keep up.
As far as driving impression, I would say it's very bland. It felt like
the last time I drove an Accord. This makes sense as the TLX is based on
an older Accord platform but I guess I expected more.
These things might come across as nit-picky. But as others have said
before, once you get past the 40k range of cars in 2017 you're not
impressed that the transmission 'shifts smoothly' and the engine feels
nice. You expect those things on even the most basic cars and when
something doesn't feel nicely screwed together it's an outlier.
Wow this interior looks like a Honda lol. Come on Acura when are you going to finally look like a luxury line
Arthur Montano because it is a honda
UR A BOT it’s literally a Honda Accord Touring or sport with AWD and nicer interior and ZF 9 speed. That’s pretty much it
Have you ever drove an Acura? That’s really the only main difference 😂 smoother
Acura is a performance brand, not a luxury brand.
TheLittleAcura aka A-SPEC! Okay your sped
Phenomenal review I'm now a part of the Honda Acura family. I have a Honda accord sport 2017 but I'm loving this Acura TLX
I wanted a new Accord Touring but he said the stereo is garbage and is Correct!! Many Accord Owners say the same thing.. He told me IF you want a Honda with a better stereo then go Acura!! Here I am and my future car will be a TLX SH-AWD
Damn, a 30 minutes review. I am ready to watch the whole thing!
Such a complete review... I subscribed solely off of this review. Keep it up man, great job!
One of your best reviews, Sofyan. Love your genuine reactions of joy to the engine/transmission/AWD system. Yep, at your stop sign acceleration, I timed 5.47 secs to 60.
looks downhill?
Excellent review. Your attention to detail sets you apart Sofyan.
Thanks
This is only a mid-cycle refresh. If this is where they are going, then I'm all about precision crafted performance. And Acura has actually come up with a car that looks, sounds and feels more upscale than a top trim Accord for once. Well done, Acura. Can't wait to see the all new TLX. 👌
Wow, seeing those old Acuras reminded me how well Acura used to design their cars. This whole integrated headlight front end design on new cars isn't bad, but for me, those old Acuras had true automotive class. I'd personally love to see a trend back towards a pronounced bumper shelf with the hood/headlights sitting overhead.
I'm quite impressed with the mid cycle refresh. Definitely looks more sporty. The A-Spec trim is spot on! Am currently driving a '13 TL Advance and I would totally get one of these when I replace mine next year sometime.
Wow, those Acura Legends..... Those were my dream car back in the day before I started driving even. I'd still love one. Still some of the nicest looking interiors on any car.
Same, lol I got hit with nostalgia seeing those clean Legends. That was the car that made me start paying more attention to cars back in high school. I always said the contour lines reminded me of a shark.
Your fantastically comprehensive and honest review made me a subscriber. Well done Sir.
PLEASE DO A REVIEW ON THE 2020 ACURA TLX AWD. I love watching you guys! Thank you for all of the great content.
Haven't watched one of your reviews in a few months. Already an exceptional journalist but something about this video seemed much more poised and polished. Lovely stuff.
Peter T We will never try and stop improving but welcome back and thanks for giving our videos a chance again! :)
This is a very nice looking car. I love the design from inside and out. And that Honda V6 9speed with AWD is such a great combination. Great review Sofyan!
Really nice review, been expecting it since the Auto Shwo
This car is incredible. Thanks to this video I did not look any further.
love that noise it makes on sport mode
Makes the same noises on normal and eco 😏 never getting rid of this baby!
As usual, good job!
I would love to see a comparison between 2018 fully loaded Acura TLX and 2018 fully loaded Infiniti Q50.
Honda engineers are great at building great engines and getting a lot of practicality and space out of their vehicles, but when it comes to exterior and interior styling, the designers just let the cars down
azera55555 BMW has been making cars from the same 2010 concept... The new TLX is way more handsome and different than other brands...
moshebenshaul cause it looks good. why do you think Audi, BMW, Mercedes don't make major changes they don't need to
Mercedes has been making major changes.
Honda is great at designing cars for Honda. When it comes to designing for Acura they let us down
+William Shinn Exactly! Acura was never necessary in the first place.
Love the great laugh when you rev the motor. Looking forward to the Type S return:)
Best looking tlx, jist wished it had more power
This looks better than the new 2nd gen tlx
I am rooting for Acura. Would love one in my drive way. This car is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully the next generation will address the powertrain short comings, and dated interior. I agree the dual screens make sense now. I could live without the annoying beeps. This is a budget Audi tho!
2021 TlX looks incredible, cant wait to test drive
Love that you love BPM!! It’s my fav SiriusXM channel by far!!! 💙
Problem is they came out with this "special" A-Spec model and made a few modest upgrades, but they didn't do anything to the engine or transmission save for a few minor tweaks to the tranny tuning. Honda really needs to come out with a special turbocharged or supercharged version of their J-series V6. A 3.0L or 3.2L twin-turbo or supercharged version with the Earth Dreams DI and I-VTEC would be a great way to bring some much-needed excitement to the Acura brand! Honda has been moving to turbo engines with their 4-cylinders, the Civic SI now has a 1.5L turbo I-4 and the new Accord has a 2.0L turbo I-4 and Infiniti, Cadillac, Lincoln, Audi, BMW, even Hyundai are now using turbocharged/supercharged 6-cylinder motors, so Honda needs to do this ASAP. They already have an excellent Earth Dreams DI J-series V6, they just need to add the forced induction and it would be a winner. Obviously it would need the SH-AWD standard to handle all that power but for the transmission they could always come out with a higher-capacity version of their stellar 8-speed dual-clutch that's used in the 2.4 TLX models.
These cars aren't really affordable as it is (I know affordable is relative but still). I can only imagine how much a supercharged or turbo-charged v6 version of this would cost; I'd say easily near $50k which in my opinion is way too much. Again Acura isn't known in the Luxury segment nor are they sporty enough to be known in the sports car segment. They still seem to be straddling that line instead of picking a lane and then charging luxury car prices for it. I don't get it.
What on earth is going on between 1:31 and 1:47 ??
thanks for the seizure
Marwan Tayyan Panic Attack! 😂
Marwan Tayyan trying to get your attention...
lmfaoooo
ryt? Totally unnecessary.
The front end is starting to grow on me. Looks great! Nice review. Definately a car I would consider buying. 👍
Great review, can't wait to get my hands on an A-Spec model... And they really need to make a TLX A-SPEC coupe...!!!
Honda/Acura v6 is amazing vetch Current 2014 mdx owner!!!
Trust me if acura came out with an updated RSX they would be the number one selling company.
deftones 26 I think it's in the works
deftones 26 yea I loved my type s . they should have never discontinued the rsx big mistake .
deftones 26 yea I loved my type s . they should have never discontinued the rsx big mistake .
I really need that. I have a 2003 RSX and I don't want a sedan.
I still have my original 2005 rsx-S. Won't buy another car until there is something better.
Saw one in real life, it’s super eye catching and really looks like a high end car. Contrary to popular opinion, I liked the “iron beak” design, but the new diamond pentagon design looks real nice.
Good review. Those legends look beautiful.
Tyson is an OG in that community.. crazy to see him featured on here.
Maybe more collaboration together ?
I like the new TLX.. it's got promise but competition is tough these days.
I don't understand why the taillights aren't full LED yet. That's ridiculous. Even the freaking CRV has full LED taillights. For some reason, Acura continues to hold this model back by not offering the basics. Make it full LED, front and back, and pump up the power to at least 330hp.
Agreed. For a car at this price range, the taillights should be LED.
It's called " bottom line" ! They're obviously not expecting a big boost in sales and they're being safe.
Acura seems to be headed in the right direction styling wise, definitely like the A spec version but I think I'm still going to hang on to my 05 TSX 6spd a bit longer definitely not parting ways with my 2nd gen Integra any time soon either.
Hondo fourfivetwo used to own an 06 tsx 🤧 miss it don’t sell it trust me
Well I wonder if you think 4 years later the new TLX is a worthy replacement?
The 2 screen layout is a great design feature. It's very convenient for daily use. Like you said. They need to update it to make it more premium. I really like my 2 screen layout, and now that other manufacturers are going this way, I hope Honda/Acura keeps this.
This car is is good. Test drove it when I took my 08 TL for service. It looks really good and will turn heads. I had an Acura of some sort since 98 so I'm biased. But the 14 TL SH-Awd is my favorite!
He didn't cuss like he did when he drove the Q50 Red Sport. That says to me the Q50 is better that the sport sedan game.
chrisak49 The Infiniti is DEFINITELY quicker... ;)
chrisak49 well it has over 100hp more so..
Carlos Mercado Well who's fault is it that the Acura makes 100+ HP less? Acura. They should just have all of their employees cut their wrists.
I think the biggest thing about this car is that it has Honda reliablity. Great if you decide to buy this car. If you're leasing, definitely go with the competitors turbo 4s...
Saagar Patel Really? Toyotas and Hondas are some of the most reliable cars
I agree, best to go with Lexus/Acura if you plan on keeping the car for the long-haul.
Always nice reviews and to the point !👍
finally a REAL car reviewer,and a mature one at that,not like 2 other "people" I know
needs twin turbos
[̲̅3][̲̅3][̲̅R][̲̅P][̲̅M] surprised those Japanese people do t put em on there lol
I love to see a V6 twin-turbo on Acura brand as well 😊😊😊
I love this car and Acura in general my grandma had the original Legend Sedan
Can't wait for u to review the Si bro!!
That Exhaust note is a little disappointing. Looks like it would sound better
Bernie looks like it would sound better? Their only tips lol
Depends on the mode. This guy has it in sport. Put it in Sport + and it roars.
This car is all about the engine note though, and in that regard it sounds better than almost all of its turbo 4 competitors.
Only drive this car in Sport+.
They should've deleted the resonators or have less restrictive ones at least for the A-Spec exhaust to make it sound sportier.
He's right if a car has aggressive looking 4inch exhaust tips then you'd expect it to sound nice instead of looking like they're compensating for something.
Your reviews keep getting better...👍
jpmackin and the cars uglier
Just bought the exact same model and color. I actually like just having the kit bc I have roadside assistance. It actually helps in long less fuel for weight
Damn dude your reviews are so perfect
2019 acura tlx type s 6 speed sh-awd turbo v6 400hp anyone?
2020... lets hope.
2030 when even the corolla will have 400hp
Kascper Boguszewski Knowing Acura, it'll probably be a hybrid V6 power plant, not a turbo or supercharger.
+seventyfive1 na it'll probably still have 132hp like it has been for over 10 years now
I'll trade in my 2007 TL Type S for that !
Finally I've been waiting!
😉
Man my first car was a gold legend GS just like the second one in that video, back when Acura had good vehicles.
Definitely replacing my 04 Accord with this in a couple of years, once it depreciates. I saw the white exterior with red interior & was obsessed. Hope that's an option with production
Put the new RDX interior in this and it'll be an easy sell.
Damn you must be a time traveler
Fr
I just picked up my 2019, it’s awesome!
Pics and video go
9spd tranny is so jerky something you don't expect from a luxury vehicle.
Can I ask how it's been having it for a year or so? How's maintenance been? I'm considering a used one. Would you do it all over again?
Great reviews on this car with the 2 videos, VERY detailed and you answered a LOT of questions for me!
Is your phone an iPhone a 4.7" or 5.5" Plus screen size? It looks like the smaller phone but I'm curious if you could have fit a Plus iPhone or not?
i like it responds good and you can feel the speed kick in.
I got 11500 off MSRP 46000. The car is not perfect but at that price it's definitely worth it. It's comfortable fast and maintenance is cheap. Car should be reliable even with the ZF 9 speed. V6 Aspec all wheel drive with technology package.
Chris Montes how did you get them to lower that much
@@Spidershy509 I honestly think they are having trouble selling TLX. Everybody goes across the street and gets an Audi BMW or Mercedes or buy one of Acura's suvs. I'm in LA everybody has a German luxury car.
The German cars are soooo overrated. People are sheep.
@@BurningUp99 Ya I agree. It a little slow of the line but it makes up for it once you rev it up to 6000 rpm. Its crazy fast and the all wheel drive is great in the canyons. Great handling and good power.
The flat bottom wheel would of took it to another level
that car sounds so good
The legend and Integra was the car to get back in the late 90's
Come on Honda. I love you a lot but you need a compact lightweight sedan with 400hp. That pesky Nissan Red Sport with 400hp isn't doing your fans any favors.
Great review man, Acura hit a homerun with this one in both styling and standard equipment and yes and a type S model would be exactly what the brand needs to seriously compete with rival competitors and it's crazy cause They definitely has the resources to do it and dominate that segment, but guess they won't to keep it more accessible to the masses, but still a really hot car I think it'll do really good this time around.
Yeah Honda/Acura are also very conservative so they’ll wait for a while until they give us something innovative and new as expected with their Japanese traditions.
I think it would be really cool to hang out with a lot of these auto journalists especially Sofyan and Dave Erickson even the crew from TFLcars just to name a few. Throttle house, StraightPipes, Alex, Micah, and Zack from Motormouth.
The front end of this car is gorgeous, especially with that blue color.
MY DREAM CAR
Acura lost me when I saw the same shitty infotainment system
GiovanniLACA17XD It's a refresh.
excellent review. very informative. cant wait to see a tlx type s with more performance and a manual gearbox. we need more performance
I LOVE YOUR REVIEWS !!!!!
I hope they keep the beak on the ilx and add a type S model with the new type r engine
I was honestly left wanting a review of one of those Legends!!
MrCarGuy20 We actually have a review already up of a 1994 Legend 6-speed :)
MrCarGuy20 that's my Sherwood Green 94 coupe to the left of the TLX, she's had her "15 minutes of fame" now lol! *sorry, no autographs please*
I have the 2019 TLX 2.4 A-SPEC. I have had the car for about a year. I have no complaints, This is all I need, I don't care about power, that is why I choose the 2.4 4 banger. Its good on gas , saving gas is my main concern, and luxury and comfort, this car fits the bill. And its quiet and smooth and reliable. Plus I already own a 2013 TL with the SH-AWD so I don't need another V6. Another great car no complaints.. love Acura.
19:19 omg music to my hears gotta love that j35👌🏽😈
Why are the rear turn signals incandescent bulbs? Really cheapens the look.
Daniel Blaney right, I'm like why not finish up with the whole LED set up since it's suppose to be Luxury vehicle.
Especially since even Ford's Mainstream vehicles have full LED taillights. All fusions have rear led turn signals and the Platinum trim and lower trim Fusions with the optional premium headlights have LED front turn signals as well.
Every version of the 2013 and newer MKZ has LED front and rear turn signals. Both the pre and post refresh models.
Which is embarrassing to agree with but is so true... if they're trying to be competitive they should really watch for the small and big if they don't want to lack behind on what is already becoming main stream and the standards now if they expect people to pay their hard earn money being that if you want to stand out of the competition.
Daniel Blaney TRUE! Even the NEW CR-V has LED TURNING SIGNALS!
Righttt
Acura know's the competition is stiff, yet makes this car which has a map system from 2005, and fake exhaust tips.. They seriously need to get their shit together.
I've driven the 07 TL-S 5AT AND currently have a 16 TLX 3.5 FWD. Don't let the hp/lb-ft numbers fool you: the latter pulls a lot harder than the former at WOT.
The TLX V6 may not be a Q50 RS400 (nor any of its contemporaries) but it's a fine performer and puts a smile on my face with spirited driving.
My only regret is not getting SHAWD which takes the handling and traction abilities to a different level. 👍
Based on this review, I did buy the 2018 TLX (V6, Technology). Thanks for pointing out the exhaust was not connected on the A-Spec. My car is really smooth and comfortable, although I sort of miss the ILX 2.4 manual for the light handling and fun (also bought based on a Redline review).
Do you think Acura will have type S version and a type R?
Todd Medium Wellington TBH I hope so
Chief Poodabran Only come in manual transmissions* ;)
There probably won't be any more powerful versions.
+Sukrit Ganesh Aren't Type R cars limited to "Honda" badged vehicles ?
HalfBreedMix No, there was a Integra Type R
Solid car one thing that's is a huge let down is their interior. I think the interior is not on par with the exterior, especially their infotainment system. It's dated, not really changed. Even some of the new Honda ones are better.
@redline reviews
Love the review, thank you. I think my 2017 Mazda 3 sport has a nicer interior which is weird. Please in the future when you talk about piped in engine sound, can you specify if its from the speakers? That's a very important detail. Im curious to know if its a fake sound on the speakers or piped in engine sound.
So glad they brought the exhaust back on the back
you won't see real changes in Acuras until 2020. if you want real improvement, wait till then
bullshit
Beautiful car, I'd give it a 9 out of 10 if it had a turbo. Acura needs to get with the times
Turbo is cliche
If Acura were to bring back the Type S model it'd probably completely revitalize the company. Who doesn't love the TL-Type S of 2007-2008. Just an overall amazing car with plenty of amenities for it's time. If Acura were to re-birth the Type-S I'd hope to see a v6 with at least 320-340 hp standard, manual option, with a dual clutch auto as well. Only time will tell.
great review! very thorough and detailed!