Man I was really hoping this adaptation would be spot on cuz I was keen on trying to get into the series for a few years now, guess I have to just stop being lazy and pick up a book again. Edit: the way you bend paperbacks makes me physically cringe.
7:46 THANK YOU FOR FINALLY BEING THE ONE (from what I've seen) THAT POINTED THIS OUT! And what bothers me the most is that people seem to love the soundtrack (and the composer [Kensuke Ushio]) and no one seemed to care at all for this detail that just ruined every scene (and ruined like every song).
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the anime adaptation of Tokyo Ghoul and Tokyo Ghoul:re. For some reason there seems to be a trend in anime were storys which in the scource material are told from subjective viewpoints, instead are told from a "objective" third-person viewpoint. It's like they only care about the plot events and not characters or themes. It seems like they have forgotten that the plot is supposed to be a "vehicle" to transport the ideas, concepts and themes. In the new Boogiepop anime and in the Tokyo Ghoul anime adaptations the "vehicle" is all that exists but it is empty.
I honestly laughed at Nagi getting stabbed. They could've done it better but it looked like they were going the cheap route. My expectations are extremely low for the rest of the anime. And yes, it does seem like the imaginator arc might be better since it does have a bunch of more intense stuff. But it'll most likely be done in 5 episodes, which is terrible. Also it seems the omnibus seven seas released doesn't include the translation notes which sucks. I watch these episodes. But I just end of giggling at the things that were cut. "Ha that doesn't make sense." "That looked awkward because of this." "They must've looked _____ to anime only watchers because they don't know the character's thoughts." ***Certain spoilers to the next episodes.*** I bet Aya is going to have a certain scene censored. That scene where she exposed her chest. It made me go "Ooohh so that's what happened." I don't know why but that scene just kinda introduced her character to me, showed me how different she was I guess. But really. This won't turn out well at all. But at least you can make more videos about it.
I think the people liking the anime also like stuff like Baccano and Kara no Kyoukai (I haven't seen either of em), where as far as I know it's just wacky shit happening out of order with a mysterious tone and by the end you finally get what's going on. Anyways, Concrete Revolutio is the best version of that type of show, go watch it people.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch I wasn't being derogatory towards those shows, my point was that I think the reason people like Boogiepop so far are for similar reasons general audiences like those anime.
I have to say, watching the fourth episode, I feel like fans of the first novel really got the short end of the stick here. In comparison, the first episode of VS Imaginator breathes a lot better than any of the previous episodes, and takes it's time to let things unfold. It really feels like this was the story the staff wanted to tell, and the first book feels as like a rushed project made out of obligation in comparison.
As an anime-only guy, about 25% of the people on Reddit seem to have dropped it either after episode two, and the only ones continuing are those somewhat interesting. I have heard nobody say any praise for this show higher than "Huh. Seems interesting. Kinda getting Kara no Kyoukai vibes. Seems kinda fun. I like the OP/ED". I personally found the "figuring out what's going on" kinda fun, but the rest pretty bland or mediocre.
Yeah the only reason to watch the anime is to see some of your favorite scenes animated (and butchered) after reading the novels. Tbh the only reason I'm going to watch the next arc is because Kana Hanazawa is voicing The Imaginator.
I liked the figuring out part of the first 2 episodes, even though they weren't exactly great, but the pay-off was really horrible, the entirety of episode 3 is bad.
I had a very bad time with episode 1-3. But when my bro came over and I introduced the show to him and rewatched them back to back, the experience was really cool. I feel like this show is made like a puzzle that's only fun for the second time.
@@ryudjn6590 That's if you couldn't get the first time around, which i did, if it is like a puzzle, the fun you have would be in assembling it on your own, not be told of the answer(= watching a second time).
Haven't read the book here. Maybe I can help offer a perspective on why I'm continuing to watch it? I can't really say I'm "enjoying" the show, for a lot of the reasons you listed-but I'm sticking with it. It's mostly just because it's so unique and different from pretty much any anime I've seen before, and feels like something straight out of Stranger Things. I'm curious to see where it goes. Plus, I like the OST. Yeah, that's pretty much it on the positives. But it's enough for me to give it a tentative 5/10 and stick with it.
Does Digi know the series is confirmed to be 18 episodes long? That means every book will be converted into 3 episodes exactly right? Compare that to Bakemonogatari which was 15 episodes but had book arcs take between 2 and 5 episodes long...
I for one am grateful this anime exists. The first 2 episodes where enough to finally make me read the book and now they are finally being translated again.
When watching this episode I was on the edge of my seat watching these episodes. I loved how they where told even if it was sub par. I have a feeling Boogiepop is to you what Durarara is to me.
I'm reading the book now, and the fact that kimura akio is not even in it basically makes the anime completely worthless. He had the best chapter to me, and that was when I really started to understand kamikishiro, what is even the point without it.
It sounds like this adaptations just all pop and no boogie. I still want to experience the series so I guess I'll have to get all the books when they release more next month.
As an anime only i've been enjoying the boogiepop anime for the interesting things it says and the melancholic atmosphere it displays. The animation hasn't really been great, but I think the music has been making up for that. Im really liking these episodic reviews/comparisons, im hoping you can make more.
As an anime only watcher, The appeal of this show is just how much I see other series I like in this show as what they took their inspiration from Really reminds me of Durarara
as someone who has not read the book, I find the anime to be "2 smart 4 me #deep". There's a bunch of half-philosophy that I'm sure 14-year-olds will think is mind-blowing, but maybe if I keep watching things'll be explained
I'm not even sure how to describe what I liked about the first two episodes. Maybe it was because I knew very little about the book and the show kinda emulated that? As it stands, I liked the first two episodes, then watched your take down, and then the third episode bored me. Will definitely be grabbing the omnibus
just as a piece of advice, when you like an anime, don't watch anything that could betray this feeling till you're halfway through. because i've seen the whole shit and it was a good watch (for me) and i think i'll read the light novel too now.
I seem to be one of the few people who like the anime. Now, I haven't read the light novel and i had no idea what boogiepop was about prior to this adaptation and that is the reason i like it. I'm just not aware of how much better the book is i guess.
I had been looking forward to this adaptation since the release of the first teaser trailer, yet now I can't seem to care for it by this point... Pretty disappointing to say the least, but hey, more reason to pick up the novels now.
I read the first novel after first videos. And I liked it, I feel like I can come back to it and find something new to appreciate. And I glanced over first episode of new and old anime. It feels like the old one aimed to capture feeling of novel (and include content from other books? or expand on the world). I got immersed and interested. In new one, its like they have some list with checkboxes of events, without context of what made them interesting. I didn't recognize the characters just from design = bad design. High resolution is what makes it easy to see mediocre animation, and I didn't see sakuga to justify that. I somewhat liked the op and the posters, and even this is a stretch just to say something nice. (smartphones lol wat) If you not gonna go all out why even bother. Such a waste
I feel like the Worldview and Themes aren't as gone as you think they are, you're just loosing sight of them in complaining about specifics you wanted. I think Boogiepop's gender identity was made less ambiguous in how the books were translated. In the LA version I just watched there is a translator's note about how Boogie uses "Boku" and they didn't seem to necessarily be identifying as male. Also episode 11 has the scene where Boogiepop talks to the therapist.
The only reason to watch the next arc is to see The Imaginator (voiced by Kana Hanazawa) vs Boogiepop (voiced by Yuuki Aoi). Also I can't wait to see how badly they screw up Aya and what's his name's relationship. That relationship was my favorite part of the second and third book.
The one thing you mentioned that really do disagree with is the wire thing. I'm fine with them making the wires more magical in nature earlier on, because its impossible to believe that Boogiepop would have been able to set up the wires realistically for the ending of the Imaginator arc, which this anime adaptation will cover, so it might just have been better to forgo a more realistic use of the wires since the next time we see them used they definitely seem magical in nature.
Im hoping you compare episode 4 of the anime and the light novel too. Im an anime only, but I felt like this new arc started is more complete than the first. We actually got to hear the inner monologues of one of the new characters asuki and got to get to know him through the whole episode.
Maybe it should have gone to Takahio Oomori to direct. He handled ensemble cast with super natural elements well with Bacanno and Durarara. He'd even done horror before with Hellgirl. I feel like the opening narration of Durarara which told you the focus characters outlook would have been useful for showing who they are. When toning down character designs to make them "more realistic" they kinda just made them duller. IDK from the staff listed I thought this was going to be really good but I find myself baffled.
Man, I love the boogiepop novels so much, but this anime makes me pretty upset. I want to like it, I really try to but god damn they're making it hard. Everything feels like some cheap, quickly done cash grab which doesn't even make any sense because why would you try to make a cash grab for boogiepop of all things? I just hope this brings a series I love into the limelight at this point.
I think for a lot of people they see the timeline jumping around and saying they can understand it is an easy way for them to try and seem smart but anyone with half a brain can tell that they’re stupid. I haven’t read the books myself, and the show seems boring enough for me, but hearing you describe the books just makes me so disappointed with how much better it could have been.
I kinda hated watching episodes 1-3 for the first time around. But when doing them back to back for a rewatch, I actually liked them a lot. But that is coming from an anime only guy.
In terms of directing/storyboarding, I feel like they're trying to be subversive by cutting the tension out of their scenes and presenting stuff in a more flat/direct way. They hard cut to stuff like the guy running away, present Nagi's throat getting slit in a plain manner, and cut the audio out when they kill the manticore. Unfortunately it just ends up deflating the scenes and making it awkward.
I've already bought the books but I still want to see the anime first. I can't say whether I like the series but I certainly don't hate it. The main appeal is how it is slow paced, has a very unconventional story even if most of the details are lost, and the mystery of what is happening never infuriates me unlike when I watch most anime and they foreshadowing something literally 10 minutes before it happens every. single. time. This was also why I dropped Boruto in the first episode. In the first 2 minutes they foreshadowed Naruto's death, the destruction of the village, Boruto getting a stupid new eye power, the identity of the villain, and that all this won't happen until Boruto is about 5 to 10 years older than his is at the series' start. Honestly I can watch anything as long as there is a mystery or feeling of uncertainty. I don't think that's asking for much. The Promised Neverland and Mob Psycho do this effortlessly.
I think I just don't give a fuck about this anime. It feels so.. disconnected. Like this anime is just a highlight about the actual story. And no one has any personality. This show is just full of trying to be cool and deep but awkward and just not interesting in the end. I get if they wanna adapt as much as they can, but this is just butcher the book. I wanna drop this anime, but ... nope. I just wanna see how this show goes. I have The Promised Neverland, Mob Psycho 100, and Kaguya sama after all this season at least. The overall settings and ideas of this show are interesting, maybe I just gonna read the light novel instead
Having not read the books, I'm not particularly liking the show at all so far. Mostly just piecing things together to how interesting they would've actually been in the novels, since this one has no charm, but does at least have a cliffnotes version of the story, apparently.
@@LeynaSept I guess so. I actually only made it through the first episode and decided I wouldn't subject myself to anymore than that. I guess the only good thing to come out of it might be that we get more of the Boogiepop LN's translated. That would be an awfully nice silver lining. And based on your channel, I bet you feel the same way.
I like that this is slowly becoming your next Eromanga-Sensei Every Week. Far less funny, but infinitely more interesting.
Good timing, Eromanga-sensei just released two new episodes
@@Ganom-ng1zt I would become a hundred patrons if they would review those ovas
Man I was really hoping this adaptation would be spot on cuz I was keen on trying to get into the series for a few years now, guess I have to just stop being lazy and pick up a book again.
Edit: the way you bend paperbacks makes me physically cringe.
7:46 THANK YOU FOR FINALLY BEING THE ONE (from what I've seen) THAT POINTED THIS OUT!
And what bothers me the most is that people seem to love the soundtrack (and the composer [Kensuke Ushio]) and no one seemed to care at all for this detail that just ruined every scene (and ruined like every song).
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the anime adaptation of Tokyo Ghoul and Tokyo Ghoul:re. For some reason there seems to be a trend in anime were storys which in the scource material are told from subjective viewpoints, instead are told from a "objective" third-person viewpoint. It's like they only care about the plot events and not characters or themes. It seems like they have forgotten that the plot is supposed to be a "vehicle" to transport the ideas, concepts and themes. In the new Boogiepop anime and in the Tokyo Ghoul anime adaptations the "vehicle" is all that exists but it is empty.
I honestly laughed at Nagi getting stabbed. They could've done it better but it looked like they were going the cheap route.
My expectations are extremely low for the rest of the anime. And yes, it does seem like the imaginator arc might be better since it does have a bunch of more intense stuff. But it'll most likely be done in 5 episodes, which is terrible.
Also it seems the omnibus seven seas released doesn't include the translation notes which sucks.
I watch these episodes. But I just end of giggling at the things that were cut. "Ha that doesn't make sense." "That looked awkward because of this." "They must've looked _____ to anime only watchers because they don't know the character's thoughts."
***Certain spoilers to the next episodes.***
I bet Aya is going to have a certain scene censored. That scene where she exposed her chest. It made me go "Ooohh so that's what happened." I don't know why but that scene just kinda introduced her character to me, showed me how different she was I guess.
But really. This won't turn out well at all. But at least you can make more videos about it.
I think the people liking the anime also like stuff like Baccano and Kara no Kyoukai (I haven't seen either of em), where as far as I know it's just wacky shit happening out of order with a mysterious tone and by the end you finally get what's going on. Anyways, Concrete Revolutio is the best version of that type of show, go watch it people.
Baccano and Kara no Kyoukai are two of my favorite anime of all time.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch I wasn't being derogatory towards those shows, my point was that I think the reason people like Boogiepop so far are for similar reasons general audiences like those anime.
I have to say, watching the fourth episode, I feel like fans of the first novel really got the short end of the stick here. In comparison, the first episode of VS Imaginator breathes a lot better than any of the previous episodes, and takes it's time to let things unfold. It really feels like this was the story the staff wanted to tell, and the first book feels as like a rushed project made out of obligation in comparison.
As an anime-only guy, about 25% of the people on Reddit seem to have dropped it either after episode two, and the only ones continuing are those somewhat interesting. I have heard nobody say any praise for this show higher than "Huh. Seems interesting. Kinda getting Kara no Kyoukai vibes. Seems kinda fun. I like the OP/ED".
I personally found the "figuring out what's going on" kinda fun, but the rest pretty bland or mediocre.
Yeah the only reason to watch the anime is to see some of your favorite scenes animated (and butchered) after reading the novels. Tbh the only reason I'm going to watch the next arc is because Kana Hanazawa is voicing The Imaginator.
I liked the figuring out part of the first 2 episodes, even though they weren't exactly great, but the pay-off was really horrible, the entirety of episode 3 is bad.
I had a very bad time with episode 1-3. But when my bro came over and I introduced the show to him and rewatched them back to back, the experience was really cool. I feel like this show is made like a puzzle that's only fun for the second time.
@@ryudjn6590 That's if you couldn't get the first time around, which i did, if it is like a puzzle, the fun you have would be in assembling it on your own, not be told of the answer(= watching a second time).
Haven't read the book here. Maybe I can help offer a perspective on why I'm continuing to watch it?
I can't really say I'm "enjoying" the show, for a lot of the reasons you listed-but I'm sticking with it. It's mostly just because it's so unique and different from pretty much any anime I've seen before, and feels like something straight out of Stranger Things. I'm curious to see where it goes. Plus, I like the OST.
Yeah, that's pretty much it on the positives. But it's enough for me to give it a tentative 5/10 and stick with it.
More digibro knowledge of boogiepop. LET GO
Does Digi know the series is confirmed to be 18 episodes long? That means every book will be converted into 3 episodes exactly right?
Compare that to Bakemonogatari which was 15 episodes but had book arcs take between 2 and 5 episodes long...
Source?
@@TheTricksterCoyote anime news network
@@AntiNihilist Thanks! I appreciate it!
I for one am grateful this anime exists. The first 2 episodes where enough to finally make me read the book and now they are finally being translated again.
When watching this episode I was on the edge of my seat watching these episodes. I loved how they where told even if it was sub par. I have a feeling Boogiepop is to you what Durarara is to me.
I'm reading the book now, and the fact that kimura akio is not even in it basically makes the anime completely worthless. He had the best chapter to me, and that was when I really started to understand kamikishiro, what is even the point without it.
It sounds like this adaptations just all pop and no boogie. I still want to experience the series so I guess I'll have to get all the books when they release more next month.
As an anime only i've been enjoying the boogiepop anime for the interesting things it says and the melancholic atmosphere it displays. The animation hasn't really been great, but I think the music has been making up for that.
Im really liking these episodic reviews/comparisons, im hoping you can make more.
I thought the animation has been really good. I'll rewatch.
As an anime only watcher, The appeal of this show is just how much I see other series I like in this show as what they took their inspiration from
Really reminds me of Durarara
as someone who has not read the book, I find the anime to be "2 smart 4 me #deep". There's a bunch of half-philosophy that I'm sure 14-year-olds will think is mind-blowing, but maybe if I keep watching things'll be explained
I'm not even sure how to describe what I liked about the first two episodes. Maybe it was because I knew very little about the book and the show kinda emulated that? As it stands, I liked the first two episodes, then watched your take down, and then the third episode bored me. Will definitely be grabbing the omnibus
just as a piece of advice, when you like an anime, don't watch anything that could betray this feeling till you're halfway through. because i've seen the whole shit and it was a good watch (for me) and i think i'll read the light novel too now.
I seem to be one of the few people who like the anime. Now, I haven't read the light novel and i had no idea what boogiepop was about prior to this adaptation and that is the reason i like it. I'm just not aware of how much better the book is i guess.
I had been looking forward to this adaptation since the release of the first teaser trailer, yet now I can't seem to care for it by this point... Pretty disappointing to say the least, but hey, more reason to pick up the novels now.
I read the first novel after first videos. And I liked it, I feel like I can come back to it and find something new to appreciate.
And I glanced over first episode of new and old anime.
It feels like the old one aimed to capture feeling of novel (and include content from other books? or expand on the world). I got immersed and interested.
In new one, its like they have some list with checkboxes of events, without context of what made them interesting. I didn't recognize the characters just from design = bad design. High resolution is what makes it easy to see mediocre animation, and I didn't see sakuga to justify that. I somewhat liked the op and the posters, and even this is a stretch just to say something nice. (smartphones lol wat)
If you not gonna go all out why even bother. Such a waste
I feel like the Worldview and Themes aren't as gone as you think they are, you're just loosing sight of them in complaining about specifics you wanted.
I think Boogiepop's gender identity was made less ambiguous in how the books were translated. In the LA version I just watched there is a translator's note about how Boogie uses "Boku" and they didn't seem to necessarily be identifying as male. Also episode 11 has the scene where Boogiepop talks to the therapist.
This makes me want to go back and watch Boogiepop Phantom again
You hit the nail on the head. I, too, am curious what people like about this adaption, because I can barely stand it.
The only reason to watch the next arc is to see The Imaginator (voiced by Kana Hanazawa) vs Boogiepop (voiced by Yuuki Aoi). Also I can't wait to see how badly they screw up Aya and what's his name's relationship. That relationship was my favorite part of the second and third book.
ye those music issues were extremely noticeable.
The one thing you mentioned that really do disagree with is the wire thing. I'm fine with them making the wires more magical in nature earlier on, because its impossible to believe that Boogiepop would have been able to set up the wires realistically for the ending of the Imaginator arc, which this anime adaptation will cover, so it might just have been better to forgo a more realistic use of the wires since the next time we see them used they definitely seem magical in nature.
Is there a link to Andrew Cunningham's thoughts on the anime?
nice to see this continued definitely worthy
Im hoping you compare episode 4 of the anime and the light novel too. Im an anime only, but I felt like this new arc started is more complete than the first. We actually got to hear the inner monologues of one of the new characters asuki and got to get to know him through the whole episode.
This is like a repeat of Steins;gate 0 for me
Maybe it should have gone to Takahio Oomori to direct. He handled ensemble cast with super natural elements well with Bacanno and Durarara. He'd even done horror before with Hellgirl. I feel like the opening narration of Durarara which told you the focus characters outlook would have been useful for showing who they are. When toning down character designs to make them "more realistic" they kinda just made them duller. IDK from the staff listed I thought this was going to be really good but I find myself baffled.
I enjoy the story telling very much, note that I have never read the book
Man, I love the boogiepop novels so much, but this anime makes me pretty upset.
I want to like it, I really try to but god damn they're making it hard.
Everything feels like some cheap, quickly done cash grab which doesn't even make any sense because why would you try to make a cash grab for boogiepop of all things?
I just hope this brings a series I love into the limelight at this point.
Does Andrew Cunningham have a twitter or something?
Have you watched dororo yet?
I think for a lot of people they see the timeline jumping around and saying they can understand it is an easy way for them to try and seem smart but anyone with half a brain can tell that they’re stupid. I haven’t read the books myself, and the show seems boring enough for me, but hearing you describe the books just makes me so disappointed with how much better it could have been.
I kinda hated watching episodes 1-3 for the first time around. But when doing them back to back for a rewatch, I actually liked them a lot.
But that is coming from an anime only guy.
In terms of directing/storyboarding, I feel like they're trying to be subversive by cutting the tension out of their scenes and presenting stuff in a more flat/direct way. They hard cut to stuff like the guy running away, present Nagi's throat getting slit in a plain manner, and cut the audio out when they kill the manticore.
Unfortunately it just ends up deflating the scenes and making it awkward.
I've already bought the books but I still want to see the anime first.
I can't say whether I like the series but I certainly don't hate it. The main appeal is how it is slow paced, has a very unconventional story even if most of the details are lost, and the mystery of what is happening never infuriates me unlike when I watch most anime and they foreshadowing something literally 10 minutes before it happens every. single. time.
This was also why I dropped Boruto in the first episode. In the first 2 minutes they foreshadowed Naruto's death, the destruction of the village, Boruto getting a stupid new eye power, the identity of the villain, and that all this won't happen until Boruto is about 5 to 10 years older than his is at the series' start.
Honestly I can watch anything as long as there is a mystery or feeling of uncertainty. I don't think that's asking for much. The Promised Neverland and Mob Psycho do this effortlessly.
I think I just don't give a fuck about this anime. It feels so.. disconnected. Like this anime is just a highlight about the actual story. And no one has any personality. This show is just full of trying to be cool and deep but awkward and just not interesting in the end. I get if they wanna adapt as much as they can, but this is just butcher the book. I wanna drop this anime, but ... nope. I just wanna see how this show goes. I have The Promised Neverland, Mob Psycho 100, and Kaguya sama after all this season at least.
The overall settings and ideas of this show are interesting, maybe I just gonna read the light novel instead
Wait a minute? Beam of light?
No time to read the book
20 mins anime during lunch break seem not a bad deal
I read the first 3 books in about 24 hours after the first ep of the anime came out. They aren't long.
Is this going to be a thing?
Having not read the books, I'm not particularly liking the show at all so far. Mostly just piecing things together to how interesting they would've actually been in the novels, since this one has no charm, but does at least have a cliffnotes version of the story, apparently.
Ep 1 and 2 were fairly good in my opinion, but ep3, oh my god, what a horrible episode.
Why do I put myself through this? Even hearing about this shite adaptation is pissing me off.
Sir Syzer Even though I already thought of all these points, I guess I just like hearing someone else agree on the things I thought?
@@LeynaSept I guess so. I actually only made it through the first episode and decided I wouldn't subject myself to anymore than that. I guess the only good thing to come out of it might be that we get more of the Boogiepop LN's translated. That would be an awfully nice silver lining. And based on your channel, I bet you feel the same way.
2nd comment ya bloody wankers
The fight scene was straight trash. I’m enjoying your analysis though