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Boogiepop - Light Novel vs. Anime (Eps. 1+2)
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- čas přidán 4. 01. 2019
- The first 3 Boogiepop light novels are widely available right now in an omnibus collection for like 20 bucks. If you have any interest in the series at all, I highly recommend reading them in lieu of the anime. HOW TO READ/WATCH BOOGIEPOP IN ORDER: • How To Read/Watch Boog...
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Very VERY insightful and didn't come off as toxic and malicious when it very well could've been. I encourage you to do more.
oh hi there
Just watched the op for the boogiepop phantom.... wtf is he on about.
Okay, bought the book, let's see how the anime turns out to be.
Let's find out what a light novel even is...
Now u know how us Berserk fans feels
But Digi is a Berserk fan? One of the single most popular vids on this channel is where he and his brother Victor shit on the 2016 anime adaptation relentlessly...
I think the 90s Berserk anime is solid for what it covers.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch Agreed.
yeah, but still, the last good anime we got was twenty years ago.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch What do you mean solid man. The animation is sub-par and the scenes fail to convey the proper feelings and atmosphere that the manga creates. It could be worse but its far from good enough. Of course half the problem is that Miura is just that good at creating manga panels but still.
PLEASE DO A PROPER ANALYSIS OF IT IN THE FUTURE. This was delightful, to see you so passionately talking about this... those themes that i can totally see how they were so fundamental to your own view on the world and on yourself. Thats what i come here for.
The passion is real
@@AppericateGamer Yea, its so real existence has manifested it materialy in the form of those sunglasses.
You just want to see him tear the anime a new asshole, don't you?
I think he did, actually. One of the decompression chambers, I think?
@@2deep5u actually was thinking more about the novels, cause the topics it touches on seem just so perfect for digi's way of overthinking society and such. Which is what i find the most appealing about his work.
I'm with Digi on this one. Boogiepop and Others is probably my favorite book ever and it was super influential on me. The problem is Boogiepop isnt an action story. It's a psychological one. Speeding through the story severely lessens the impact of just about every event that happens.
Also cutting Kimura is a damn tragedy. The point of his chapter was to show how loving and empathic Naoko was. And that she could sense Tanaka was meant for great things the same way she could sense Echoes' feelings. I've never seen a character like Naoko before. I love that she basically dating 2 guys for totally different reasons but it wasnt exactly cheating. She was just full of love.
I've been expecting and hoping for another Boogiepop anime ever since Haruhi and more so SAO really popularized the light novel adaptation. But it never occurred to me that like SAO or Danmachi they would for some reason feel the need to just fly through everything. Look at this this way: Haruhi took 6 episodes to get through the first novel (and a nearly 3 hour movie to get through book 4) while Boogiepop is taking 3 episodes, or 60 minutes. Even the live action Boogiepop and Others movie while wasnt great, was still far more respectful to the source material. Haruhi as an example was so well paced and it's a shame they went for "as much content as possible" vs quality here.
On another note the sameface is awful. My girlfriend literally can't tell characters apart since she hasn't read the books which makes a chronologically out of order anime even harder to follow.
Personally I would've devoted at least an episode to each character's viewpoint.
I absolutely adore Boogiepop as a franchise so at the very least at least it's getting more recognition now overseas. I'm so glad Seven Seas finally translated books 4 and 5 with the possibility open for more. Maybe we'll actually get fan translations which I've been desperate for for the last 10 years after Seven Seas abandoned it.
@@nyanko8411 I asked the Seven Seas editor in chief on animenewsnetwork if they'd be open to more if the new omnibuses sold well and he said yes. So it just depends on sales - and judging by the poor quality of the anime im not sure if I should be hopeful for a lot of new Boogiepop fans to be honest. But we'll see.
Ive never read the light novel but personally i felt that it was pushing some actions scenes and instead of adding dialogue they just added some action, Which would be fine if it wasnt a psychological thriller. I understand why they dont want to add too much dialogue because its might be harder for just anime fans to get into or understand, but without the extra dialogue it just felt vague and empty. While madhouse is a great studio, i feel like shaft could have handled it better since shaft have done more psychological and dialogue based works like monogatari and march comes in like a lion. But ive never read the LN so this is just my opinion in what ive seen so far
Now understanding more about the book it makes sense why the anime feels like so much was left out. I never felt like I understood enough about the characters and their circumstances for the nonlinear multiple perspectives technique to feel earned. It felt more like a gimmick the way it was used and confused the shit out of me most of the time.
I feel like we don't talk about sound design enough in anime, because that's what I remember the most when thinking about Boogiepop Phantom. Regardless of it being a proper adaptation it truly captures the essence and feel of books for me. While watching part of the first ep of the new series I can see them dipping their toes in that type of experimental atmosphere but not going all the way. Any sign of tension is lost with the bright garish colors used. I just wonder what the people of these productions are looking at and taking inspiration from....and if it's other anime right now- well I think that's where we have a problem.
Having not read the book or watch the anime yet, listening to how you describe the story (and the way it's told) makes me very intrigued.
Maybe this wouldn't work for how it's actually structured but the way your describing it makes me think something like a 5 episode ONA would be the best way to adapt this properly to anime, that way you can give each "narrator" there own episode and make them as long (or short) as they need to be to tell the full story.
Of course this way would likely be less profitable but would probably (as someone who hasn't read or watched it) make it the best adaptation possible.
This is the part where we say "the anime is bad and that's all that matters" and smugly refuse to consider the quality of the source material, as any self respecting anime critic should do.
Yeah because an anime critic only checks out the anime.
hahaha
If an adaptation needs the source to be better, it is not a good adaptation.
@@Corhaa ikr
Hey Digi, Just wanna say thanks for putting out this video. I seriously needed it. After watching the first 2 episodes I really wanted to believe that it was fine, and that it would go on to be a good thing. But after watching this, I realized how much of an idiot I was for trying to contort my opinion of this to make it feel satisfying. I've read the first 6 novels at this point, and I'm going to re-start translating the 7th soon just because I want to read it so bad. I don't think I'll ever be more disappointed in something like this. Thanks for helping the series get a voice, we seriously need it. Buddy Waters (Andrew Cunningham) has also been talking about it on Reddit and his twitter, so between you two I hope there ends up being enough awareness to keep this going.
I agree with all your points. A big reason for me liking Boogiepop is the characters. The first chapter is my favorite, I really like Takeda. They just ruined his character. It's hard to describe, I just kinda related to Takeda with what he thought of Boogiepop. First as like a supernatural strange thing, but getting to know him, Boogiepop is actually a cool dude and friend. I generally felt sad for Boogiepop talking about himself how he can't be human and do human things. The friendship between Takeda and Boogiepop was true, I felt so sad when Boogiepop left.
Yeah, this would've done better without the anime and instead long OVAs. But I took extremely interest in this series after watching the second PV of the anime, as well as watched your other Boogiepop video (kinda spoiled me because I didn't read the novel yet.)
But one thing that's good, is how this anime might attract more people to the light novels like it did to me.
They just cut out almost every single thoughts of the characters. But that's a necessary part of the book.
That's how I feel about Fate/Stay Night, Digi, which I think is why a lot of people got mad at you for implying it wasn't the anime's fault.
I mean, i've read parts of the VN, I just don't like how it's written.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch Could be a translation issue but it is a massive slog that's worth it if you invest a lot of time in.
Shaft could do it.
THIS
DIS
THIS
So true and this would be right up their ally
Boogiepop + Shaft headtilts (and storytelling quality)? That's like my wet dream.
they recently started republishing Boogiepop in omnibus form, atm 1-3 is out, 4-6 comes out February 5th. Prob gonna buy this series, I do hope they go past vol 6 though.
also id love more (as long as possible) of boogiepop analysis, really loved this vid.
Now you know how Umineko fans feel about anime adaptiation.
At least the anime functions as an anime, though.
I wouldnt say that. Anime adaptation presents some scenes in a way that you cant really tell who main antagonist is. The whole point of Umineko is about making crazy theories about the things that you cant have a full picture of and because of these changed scenes it compleatly ruins the whole expirience. As changed scene alters your perception about what really happend.
EDIT: Kind of offtopic, have you seen "Umineko When They Cry: GOLD EDITION - Official Kickstarter Announcement"?
@@PlayWithFunPL I'm reading Umineko right now. I'm on EP II. Oh boy, what a ride.
I have been waiting for you to do this for so long!! And it could not have come at a better time, I wasn't at my best me right now. Thank you!!!
In all honesty boogie pop sounds like what I needed when I was 14. For years I deluded myself into thinking I was this monster entirely removed from society and reveled in my descent away from normalcy. It took me a good while to understand myself and accept myself as a valid result in this vast swath of personality permutations. Heard you talk about how much you love this light novel for years and now I really understand why.
Edit. As much as a I love court of the crimson king, the band members have a copyright vendetta and would never let it show up with enough money to buy said court.
Its funny you say that. I discovered boogie pop just when I turned 14 lol
Spitting facts:
The fact people connect the quality of source material to an adaptation, and vice versa, is ridiculous.
Boogiepop is a really good novel. Alright, cool. This does not in any way logically lead to the adaptation also being good. It doesn't even lead that the adaptation MIGHT be good - as there have been good movies or TV shows based of shit source material. No causation.
The best you can say is that it SHOULD be good. But that is pointless, as everything SHOULD be good, but few things are.
Every time, every fucking time high-tier weabs hype-up some property that's unknown in the west getting some trash tier anime adaptation, and casuals either eat it up or go "Wow, this is shit, I guess the source material is also shit", causing the source-material weabs to start making excuses for the adaptation instead of just shitting on it for being bad and making it clear that the original is still good.
Idk but this song and dance gets so fucking old
It's not like everyone is expecting the adaptation to be bad, besides the weebs who hold the source material as a bible. Sure just because the source material is good doesn't mean the adaptation will be good, but the fact that the possibility of a good adaptation is real (look at jojo and monogatari), then people will hope for it. Yeah, it's annoying to see when these weebs try to shove the idea that the source material is forever the best, but Digi here is passionate about Boogiepop so it's natural for him to critique the bad adaptation, and he doesn't do it in a toxic way.
The song digi mentions at 14:40 is called "Gondora no Uta" and is also featured noticely in the 1952 Akira Kurosawa movie: "Ikiru" which the dying main character sings
Wow I was one of the few people that watch the anime and I liked it even though I felt it was low budget. I had no idea that the novel had so much more information about the story that was missing in the anime. you inspired me to check out the novel to get the full story and learn more about the world. Thanks
I'm really happy you did this, because although I thoroughly enjoyed the first two episodes and plan to continue watching it, I could easily tell there was a lot being left out. Didn't think that would mean rushing through an entire novel in what will be about 60 minutes of run time.
Now it makes sense why the episodes felt stupid time-wise. Like when one of the guys was like 'Don't go you're my friend!' after like half the episode and it felt completely silly and un-relatable because two scenes before they were only meeting each other.
This made me much more interested in the series, gonna read them light novels now.
You introduced me to the light novels with the old ass anime cast, and I’m very glad you’re giving them even more exposure (hopefully seven seas translates beyond volume 6)
Watching Boogiepop and the Others just make me want to watch the old series again or at least give the light novel a shot. Really uninteresting way to present such imaginative universe, it was too straightforward and even expositive at times, it didn't work out. First big let down of the year.
Good, I've been waiting for this.
I am VERY fine with you not trying to keep it short tbh, i love your rants
Make a Patreon Reward for you reading the BoogiePop Book Series in a video
Ok your enthusiasm has convinced me to buy the omnibus 3 in 1 volume. You should think about doing a series of videos on Boogiepop if more of the novels gets officially localised.
From what Digi said it's easy to see why a LN reader could be dissapointed and it makes sense.
I watched only anime, the old and now the new one. So far I'm loving both.
It was good enough to make me want to read the LN.
I actually sent out the boogiepop books to a customer a month ago and was waiting for this video.
Best video on this channel in a while. Thank you Digi!
I challenge any studio to make an LN adaptation that has absolute no narrations in any of its episodes, but still manages to make the story make sense.
It's been a while since I watched it, but I'm pretty sure the 2003 adaptation of Kino no Tabi is exactly what you're looking for
Kizumonogatari film trilogy?... I don't recall any narration on it... I might be wrong
i finished the first book last month and loved it. honestly this adaptation feels more like an obligation than a passion project and it shows. didn't realize it coincided with the 25th anniversary of the printing but it feels like even more of a letdown now.
I'm calling it
Critics are gonna shill their beliefs on everyone and say how "this is a must watch"
And clap TF outta this anime's cheeks
Or no one will watch it. Which is another big possibility.
just a black guy who likes jpop All it takes is for one of them to say it’s bad and they’ll all say it’s bad, just like all it takes is for one to say it’s good and they’ll all think it’s good. I noticed this since all seasonal reviews say the exact same god damn thing.
@@xthna haha, that's sooooo true.
They're all just a bunch of NPC
You forgot the part afterwards where they tell you to watch it now and then shill Crunchyroll.
OR people actually enjoy it and you just don't happen to.
Or Digi doesn't enjoy it so you have to hate it as well
I feel that if every video you make would be as relaxed as this one, more people would like you.
Not a critic, just a thought
Great vid
As someone who also read those first 3 light novels back 06 and 07 after being intrigued to know more about Boogiepop after watching Phantom on TechTV way back when, I get having a strong investment in the series. THAT said, I haven't reread them in over a decade and I always try to see an adaptation of something for just that, an adaptation. It'll never be one to one, for example, I don't think Kadono's musical references are necessary to the anime outside of Boogiepop humming the Overture, which is an odd omission. I trust the director and crew involved that what they're putting on the screen is intentional and they could take certain things they've omitted so far and apply them later (like Suema's history). My point is, I'd wait to be completely dismissive of the anime until after 6 or 7 episodes in and where they're at then, plus like you said in your following video, I just hope this is successful enough to get people interested in the series.
Tbh, I get the feeling my favorite character is the one which Digi probably connects with least, especially since he almost doesn't mention her at all; the disciplinary council president Kei Niitoki. Mostly because I had a similar disposition as her, I usually found myself volunteering for stuff just because nobody else would and reluctantly went with the flow just as she does for a good portion of the book. But when all is said and done, she has a strong sense of right and wrong, and stands her ground even when the situation seems entirely hopeless near the end. While she isn't openly defiant of normalcy as the other characters, she has a strong will and Boogiepop even says that the world stays a halfway decent place because people like her.
Niitoki is great, I mostly didn't mention her because her story is coming later, and I plan to cover it then.
I became interested in the series hearing you talk about it and what I understood in the anime. So if the light novel goes into a lot more detail I will read it.
AnonEars Dude, I haven’t read the whole series yet but from what I have read I can totally second Digi. It’s worth it.
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Thank you so much, my internet sluthing journey has brought me here after watching this 2019 boogiepop and others anime ep 1 to 13 now. No prior exposure to anything Kouhei Kadono. Just really liked the anime but felt that a lot of substance was missing. Supremely underestimated my impression, the anime is like the fragmented fossil of a dinosaur where the books are like the living, breathing creature in the flesh.
Well you certainly made the book seem appealing. I think I'll to pick it up.
Well digi, I thought I liked the Anime since it's presentation made me think there was going to be more there, but it looks like I was wrong. You have definitely convinced me to read the books though.
This is pretty much excatly how i feel about the persona 3 and 4 adaptaion as they were the pieces of media that defined me at that point in life and which also aren't really suited for an adaptation as the side storys are always the best part of a persona game but there is not nearly enough time to do them justice in any of the anime adaptations.
wisedude Best thing about those adaptations are the soundtracks lol
I just purchased it from that Amazon link, thanks. Note: if you want us to buy something, I actually think that providing a link as you did will in fact make a difference in that regard even though theoretically folks could look it up themselves. Providing that link is a nudge that suggests "just click this bro, seriously." People often can be swayed in different directions by the smallest things, keep that in mind.
I just read the first book after having seen the first 2 episodes of the anime a year ago (which I remembered very little about until reading the book) and let me tell you: you were right. While I think bringing over a lot of the narration would have bogged down a visual adaptation, there are still a lot of dialogue or visual driven scenes from which the meaning of the narration could be inferred (yet almost none of them were adapted...). And even if the subtextual scenes go over some readers' heads, most of the characters eventually (and usually not too forcibly) state what their character arc is to catch all the readers up to speed. Dialogue like this is really easy to adapt and it's a great safety net for themes. This is a story where you're supposed to not know who the "main characters" are until the end. The anime, just by omitting the fourth chapter character's perspective (even if it isn't directly related to the events of the plot), sort of betrays this offbeat ethos that isn't afraid to mess with our minds a little, but not so much that most people wouldn't be able to get it if they tried. But hey, anime adaptations, amirite?
Also, they really don't establish Boogiepie as masculine at all in the anime. From what little I remember, I just full stop thought he was a cute anime girl (pseudo trap?). Glad I could overwrite my memories with the novel, it's more interesting and has a lot of heart. Seven Seas really needs to proofread more though. There was a spelling error/kerning mistake/omitted word once every 30 pages. Gonna go read books 2 and 3 now, thanks again!
I watched the first two episodes yesterday and thought they were confusing and strangely paced. As soon as I finished this video I went on Amazon and bought the original light novel!
Just finished the Boogiepop anime yesterday, having forced myself all the way throught it, and I couln't be more bored every episode and almost sleeping every time... I should've watched this video before doing it, was just curious to understand a little bit of this Boogiepop thing that Digi talks so much about, but sadly the anime just let me down, and I didn't undestarstand almost nothing at all 'cause I couldn't pay enough attention so boring it was, but I do now intend to try reading the light novel in the future, watching you talk about it really made me feel interested, way better than the anime did.
The reflective glasses were cool in this vid. Of course the series you were describing in the beginning is hxh 2011 for me XD. I hope one day BoogiePop will get a good adaptation, if for now other reason than I like Persona influenced media
So the structure is similar to rashomon but more fleshed out i guess? It sounds interesting and i can see why it's a progenitor to the light novel craze. I'll definitely give it a shot for its history at least
I liked Boogiepop Phantom for what it was. Sad that the new series isn't up to snuff.
As a fan of the light novels and Boogiepop Phantom, this anime was the biggest disappointment of 2019 for me, as one of the few anime this year I had preformed expectations for. At least I know that nothing else will let me down as hard this year, not even One Punch Man.
I KNEW THIS VIDEO WAS COMING!
Given the amount of clout I saw people give Boogiepop prior to my blind viewing of the anime, I was pretty disappointed by what I saw.
So were we. I'm not sure I'll ever be more disappointed in something. If you were interested in the anime because of the clout people gave it; read the novels. I know it's a pretty tired thing for fans of something to shout that, but it's really true here. I'm not sure I've ever seen an adaptation that misses the mark so hard on something that I love.
@@Bistai949 well imo i kinda like it? To be fair i never read the manga and light novel
@@mrguy4755 Then I highly recommend picking up the novels. If you liked the anime in any capacity, you'll probably enjoy the novels.
Bistai It's almost always 'really true.' No need to imply it's an exception because it isn't.
@@doesntmatter4136 Well; I don't think it's true that often. I think that many times, when I find an anime with a lack-luster adaptation, the source is just as lack luster. There are also other times where the adaptation transcends the source (see slime on that one).
The other reason why I made that distinction, is that people tend to see that kind of talk as empty words at times. Often, I see people dislike an adaptation, and just roll their eyes at the fans talking about how much better the novels are.
Pls post this on the main channel please!!
Good to know that if I didn't read the light novel I should've been confused. The two episodes I was just lost and trying to put things together and failed, and so I watched other reviewers review it and they put it all together and said it's so great and I'm sitting here thinking I was retarded, but luckily Digibro came out with this video to let me know that it was cutting parts so I feel better. Thanks, continue posting more videos like this, even if it is 42 minutes long...
As a fan of the light novel I was super excited to find out a new anime was in the works. Disappointed doesn't even come close to describing how I felt after watching the first three episodes, I'll give it more time but I don't have high hopes for the series..
The live action movie was surprisingly good imo. Seemed suited to a low budget, perhaps because it's more character driven than action.
hey Digi did you see that Andrew Cunningham himself commented on the /r/anime reddit thread for the episode discussion? thought it was cool that he's still alive reddit.com/r/anime/comments/acihui/boogiepop_wa_warawanai_episode_1_discussion/ed83nqo/
Very cool
Boogiepop Phantom shows how you can adapt a multiple narrator storyline
Madhouse 2000's: good animation an good choices to made anime.
Madhouse 2010's: trash animations and so much BAD CGs.
Madhouse 2010's? 🤔 I hope you wanted to say Madhouse 2019's
OT: good nick dude 😂 even if the risotto is not black
I think the most shocking thing I've heard throughout this is entire rant is that "HE HAS A FIANCE!?"
Just knowing it has King Crimson references makes me want to read the books. I even liked (or have been liking) the adaptation so far. Now I HAVE to read the books, since having both Yes and King Crimson references was the reason I started watching JoJo's!
Not to mention Kouhei Kadono wrote a the most popular Jojo light novel, Purple Haze Feedback.
Digibro 2018:
"The source material doesn't matter, only the anime matters"
Digibro 2019:
"OF COURSE THE SOURCE MATERIAL MATTERS"
context, it's almost like it matters
? The source material doesn't matter as a defense for the anime. He shits all over the anime on this video, what are you talking about?
He shits on the anime and details the cool stuff from the light novel, demonstrating how much better it is.
You seem to have misunderstood his point in 2018. Those two are actually the same points, that it doesn't matter how great the source material is, that if the anime adaptation sucks, then it didn't matter how good the source material was. This whole vid is just another case of the anime being unable to capture the feel of the source material
Digibro 2018 :
> It doesn't matter if the source material is good, the anime is still bad.
Digibro 2019 :
> The anime is bad, but the source material is good.
I don't see a problem here.
I didn't even read the light novel, I read the manga and it's is only 21 chapters long. Like, I get that most of the story is conversations and inner monologues but at least the manga had honest to god better shots of those than the anime, which is just shameful. Why cut those if you're just going to laze through the visuals anyways? If they kept all of that stuff they cut and changed nothing else at least people would be willing to give it a chance for the story! Now I forsee that this will be one of the most forgotten animes of the season and that everyone who watches the first episode will think of it as some pretentious boring stuff. Also for some reason the dude isn't allowed to show any emotional reaction unless it's in the mildest way possible.
Digi, the answer to your opening question for me is Key the Metal Idol. I'll tell you about it sometime. Would a video or just a text post be better?
I inferred probably about half of what wasn't in the anime, but admittedly the musical references and the depth of the scenes are very much lost.
I get the feeling that this novel could've been the inspiration for Kara no Kyoukai but by comparison there isn't enough run time to show everything.
I'll still watch it, but damn if this studio can't make interesting dialogue scenes. If there was more shading and different camera angles then maybe it could compete with the Monogatari talking scenes even with inferior character designs, buuuuuut based on what Digi said, who knows what the director was thinking when he read that whole page with the repeating phrase. Or why they are skipping out on the musical preferences of major characters, something that who never get from characters today. Would it really be copyright infringement for a character to say, "I like King Crimson"?
That song is featured heavily in "Ikiru", idk if thats thematically related but I'm sure the author has seen the movie considering it's a Kurosawa film
I think the anime is pretty fucking fantastic. I mean... 90% of the first book is telling the reader how the characters feel and stuff. Its a lot more direct in terms of explaining themes and feelings. There are a lot of things that can be said in the book but only shown in the anime. I feel the demographic for this anime is people who read the book and wants to see it come to life. But yeah... it sucks that one of the narrators was cut out
Now, I definitely understand where you're coming from on seeing something you cared about deeply as a teen being massacred in adaptation. For me, that was The Giver, a fantastic book (the first in a four part series that nobody seems to know about!) which was absolutely and heinously butchered in the process of turning it into a film.
However, I have not read Boogiepop. Maybe I will at some point, but at the moment I'm going into this entirely blind, as I didn't even watch Boogiepop Phantom. I'll admit right away that I felt overhyped for this based on how much you've stumped for it over the years in comparison to what we've gotten so far; like you say, the pacing feels kind of slapdash, many designs feel generic or overly same-y, and I feel like the structure of how things are moving is missing something significant (probably a lot to do with the lack of narration and music references you comment upon).
And yet, I'm still curious enough to keep going with this anime, at least for now. I have some faith in Shingo Natsume given his previous work, and there are still things that are keeping me going. I like the music so far, and there is promise of well-put animatic quality coming in the future. The thing that has me most worried at this point is Kirima Nagi; that shot of her wall-running against the building like it's the Matrix or some shit in the OP is exceptionally out of place to me, and I sincerely hope this doesn't just end up feeling like some very bog-standard fantasy procedural.
I actually really liked The Giver as a film.
@@feconisb.3067 That's fine, not gonna begrudge you for liking what you like. I'm sure you have genuine reasons for that.
You should be aware, however, that the book and film are QUITE different. The film is very much shifted to appear as similar as possible to a lot of the Young Adult fiction books which were being turned into films at the time like the Hunger Games, Maze Runner, and Divergent. The original book version of the Giver is much closer to the slow, thoughtful sci-fi novels of decades earlier however, partially because it came out quite a long time ago itself (sometime in the 1990s, iirc). I strongly, STRONGLY recommend reading the book, and then following up with its 3 sequels, if you'd like to get something a little more complete and unique.
Seriously though, I am loving the anime and I am definitely going to re-watch it because I cannot remember why I did love it.
Thanks to you, I did check out this series. Haven't watched the shows yet, but did read the four English novels. Its definitely an eclectic series.
Fantastic video, honestly main channel worthy
Only thing I've seen of boogiepop is the ed of the old anime. It's damn good
I was so disappointed in the first two episodes as a long-time fan of the novels and even Boogiepop Phantom. My only hope is that enough people like this series and go read the novels themselves and maybe we get the rest of novels translated in English. Thanks for sharing your view, man. I love hearing discussion of the series.
we need you to do an audiobook for this ln
This was a really good dissection of the franchise based on the anime, almost makes me want to go read the novels (maybe in the future). I'm willing to bet they'll focus on that latter part you mentioned...either that or it'll be a really surface-level overview of the novels.
Also nice of you to make the JoJo connection, now I can see how her magical scarf is and obvious reference to Caesar Zeppeli's scarf from Battle Tendencies. But yeah, the character designs are *awful* ...and the schoolgirl batman was a bit too much, it's like you mentioned, she's too *Reeeee* to the point where she strait up has a monologue about having a "Messiah Complex". But then again, I had a problem with all of the heavy-handed dialogue in the show.
Just some corrections: They do have multiple lines where the sociopath mentions "taking over the world". And I can't find a single Illustration from Boogiepop wearing black lipstick aside from the Phantom anime.
Nagi: "To quote that great sage Jesse Wood: Norminess is next to Godliness."
"I want you to think about what media was incredibly important to you as a 14 year old."
We don't talk about the Drizz't books.
I had the Hobbit when I was like 10 and then many many years later they made those movies. I get it, I get it.
your welcome to talk about it forever
I have never read the light novel but I have watched Boogiepop Phantom many times(The commentary track was excelent). I want to ask is the nonlinear way the story told in phantom the same way it is told in the light novel. I have a feeling that this new anime adaptaton is going to tell is story in a simmilar fashion to Phantom and that some of the parts that you mentioned that were not in the first episodes may be shown later on (like that one girl explaning how she communicates with Echos).
I found the episodes pretty enjoyable even though I never read the books. Thing is I like conversation driven fiction, that's what I'm into it, but it's precisely that I prefer in some way dramatized and don't like to read, I want to hear the voices. So maybe an Audio Drama would be the best incarnation.
The notion that this Anime had no characterization is an opinion is silly.
Eh. I generally don’t care how close adaptations are to their source material. Guess I’ll read the book because it’s short. Then see the 3 episodes that adapt it.
Should I read the book first then? I've already watched the first 2 eps and idk what the best route is ((didn't watch this video to the end to avoid spoilers))
Jeffrey Ryan you could, but first watch the 2000 anime bc it aesthetic af.
Don't know how far you got into the vid but he says the first 2 eps make up like 80% of the 1st book and in his words "Skip over everything that makes it good or interesting". So pretty sure that is a recommendation to just read the book and not bother with the anime.
@@TJGibson0 Ordered the Omnibus cause it's cheap af. Thanks for the help
they did mention taking over the world 2 times in the new anime
Let's be honest, Digi would never be satisfied with this. It's his equivalent of everyone who read something in their formative years, and can't help but be bothered by every difference in an anime adaptation.
With that said, I always imagined 5 episodes to adapt the first book. I do think it's being rushed, but not completely butchered, and I'm looking forward to VS Imaginator and King of Distortion.
It's also pretty funny to see Digi give his opinion as a source material fan, when he consistently shits on them for every other anime he watches.
Pink Socks His points are right. The anime does really destroy the appeal the book has, the characters. That played a main role for my interest of it. The story is simple, not too outstanding. But just the characters is the main selling point, like the first chapter. It really meant a lot to me, although the anime made it seem just, "okay."
Like I know light novel adaptions aren't the best, but this one truly was just missing. It is watchable I guess, but. Things that readers enjoyed about it mainly aren't really there much.
It is just an amazing series, that you can't help but feel like it deserves something more.
@@LeynaSept boy and we can all say that after two episodes lol. I'm not going to deny that this anime might be a shitty adaptation, but there are 16 episodes left, how about we wait a little more before saying , "this anime butchers the characters" uh?
Alexandre Laforest Well they can't really fix the current characters like Takeda because most of the characters don't appear again they have to introduce a lot more. And I really liked his character. So the first novel is already damaged.
@@alexandrelaforest5838 The damage is done. I'm an anime-only viewer and I felt bewildered when they killed Naoko so soon after they got us to start sympathizing with her due to her connection with Echoes. It felt like I was missing pieces that should have been essential to caring about this story. What Digi described in the light novel sounds way better.
His point then was anime is not made better by having good source material. He isn't claiming that this anime is good because its source material. He is still saying the anime is bad even though he loves the source material. This is him being consistent.
All of this can pretty much be said for Index as well.
Yeaaaah I guess I'll read it? I honestly can't keep up with the anime, everything is moving way too quick. However, from an outsider's perspective, I can say I do like the character of Boogiepop. The design especially. But honestly that's about it ;-;
Also the OP is a bop. At least to me it is
The thing that bothered me was the art style. especially for characters who should look the most gritty like the detective scare crow kakashi
everyone has a generic 2018 light novel style. not the character designs but the interpretation that was adapted here
i loved the anime though even if it isnt as great as the light novel its still a greatly written Boogiepop
In amazon it says volumes 4-6 translated are gonna be on sale.
Return to Forever was a jazz fusion band! It was a Chick Corea project whose a pretty major jazz fusion guy.
I find it unfortunate that the most likely reason for them to rush the first book is that the staff was given a limited amount of episodes to work with.
I watched the first two episodes of the anime, and I have absolutely no clue what's going on.
I only hope This causes someone to rerelease the books in english so I can finally fucking read it.
It already has--the books have been coming out again now.
@@Trixiethegoldenwitch Nice i just foun the article on ann. This is good news indeed
As someone who has zero info on the IP, it seems to have many similarities, at least in form and style, with Monogatari.
Do you think Nisio was informed by it in some way?
leo sky Boogiepop inspired a few well known light novel authors, like the monogatari author. And Durarara.
how many volumes does it actually have? Are there only 6 or is it still ongoing like MAL says?
jtpetino | JeyT and There is 22 Japanese or around that, it is still ongoing. 6 translated into English so far.
Isn't there only like 6 Vols officially translated for this
Just imagine Bryan Fuller doing Boogiepop
I was watching Boogiepop ep 1 and then completed the second episode, my first sentence after finishing it was "This is so boring".
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I think the actual plot is boring. The reason why the Boogiepop novels are my number one series is the characters, basically what Digi says. Hah, so the new Boogiepop anime and the movie Your Name have the same problems for me, plot not interesting for me, and characters that I feel no connection to. So it had nothing going for me.