EPIC Premier League Flops: Steven Gerrard & Frank Lampard 😡
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If it wasn't for Smion Jordan's sass I would never watch Talksport he is a pure savage! 😂
Soooo jokes
Sassy baka
I can't help but wander about his sun tan or is it blood pressure. Also his syrup is a bit odd.
Simon being so blunt, no remorse, makes the show worth watching every time. Guy just speaks logic and truth. No sugarcoating.😂😂
2:18 Failure.
2:28 Silence.
He is good for arguments sake
He’s right tho
Spot on!
Exactly they’ve been horrible managers.
Finally addressing the issue of privilege. Well done and well said Simon. These pundits are afraid to criticize their mates.
Dany always sticks up with his pals Southgate, Gerrard, Lamps...
It was nuts how Ole was mocked and ridiculed whilst these two were hyped. They're all the same
Lol Simon Jordan, champion of the anti-privilege 😂
I’m struggling here would you plz explain to me why it’s a bad thing not to criticise your mates in public
@@ticklemetrout9625 they aren't really mates though. It's media bias mainly.
Imagine a tactical conversation between Vincent Kompany and Mikel Arteta.....now Imagine Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard talking tactics 😳
Lampard and Gerrard have played under some of the best coaches in world football, so I would think they been exposed to many different tactical approaches.
In the grand scheme of things neither of them have been given loads of time in their respective jobs.
Generally Everton and Villa are not easy jobs. Both huge clubs that have underachieved for years and do not have the same pulling power as the top 4/6.
Yeaaaa courseeee
@@blackpound2297 Steven Gerrard should have stayed at Scotland lol he could have won the league several times and then offers for better clubs would have come chasing him
Instead he sold his sole for a bottom half premier league side 💀 clearly he only cares about the money he doesn’t care about winning or losing
He should have stayed at Scotland with rangers and built his experience up
What makes them 2 so special, 1 fa cup between them
Lampard and Gerrard have replaced the likes of Hughes, allardyce, pardrew etc as the merry go round managers.
That's why I like Potter & Eddie Howe, they worked hard to get to their current position but Lamps & Gerrard flew up the ladder unfairly.
Also it's not common when English managers actually succeed! So, I wish Potter and Howe can change that narrative!
i agree in a normal job you have to work your way up, can you imaging working really hard at work then someone comes in and after a short period they are promoted to senior management fur's will fly
Right and then you have guys like Carrick who I'm very intrigued to see what he can do. A fantastic player who spent at least a few years as an assistant under Jose, one of the best coaches in the world. So kind of a combination of both, not anywhere close to climbing the ladder like Potter and Howe, but still didn't go straight to a prem job.
@@matthewm3869Lampard started at Derby
I mean Gerrard did a good job at rangers including an unbeaten season so him getting the villa job is a lot more deserving than lamps
Look what Emery has done at Villa with the same players Gerrard had.
Yeah course it's good ebening for Stevie G.
Once you lose the dressing room it’s over
11th, very impressive
@@JC-ip8ur he got 16 out of 21 possible points, the most of anyone in that period apart from arsenal. He got 5 wins, 1 draw, and 1 loss in 7 premier league matches.
@@jftt42 which means nothing if he lost the following 7 games what then? Seem to remember Arsenal, Valencia, Spartak Moscow and PSG all firing him
Gerrard and Lampard are proof that no matter how robustly the English sports media strive to protect their favoured individuals it ultimately doesn't stop them from being found out.
@Hayder Al-Mohammad Gareth Southgate is a manager because the FA doesn’t want the national team to be successful, not because he hasn’t been found out.
They lack versatility.
Media was gunning for both you weirdo. And obviously weird third worlders and hipsters piled on too.
@Hayder Al-Mohammad Gareth isn’t a bad manager he just needs to be better with the sub choices
@@thameaty1 Maddison? What country are you from bum?
Danny Murphy desperately trying to protect his mates, it's shameful that pundits do this! They should all be held accountable themselves.
And that is why past footballers opinions dont matter. Frank lampard couldve won the champions league on the run he was on? What a load of crap
Sounded more like he was saying you can't class someone as a failure because they did a poor job of something ONCE.
@Failed Aragorn he's been a failure up to this point. Frank's time at chelsea was poor... not ok. If he'd achieved at west ham what he achieved at chelsea fine.. but its still chelsea. Go to real madrid and do what he did and see what they do. I hear your point about not classing him a failure... but still he has failed at his body of work in the premier league. Frank was lucky to stay up last year and that form carried on into this year. Using the same analogies that these two used... if someone comes in at everton and keeps them up this year... and keeps them up next year... success or failure?
@Failed Aragorn also everton isnt Frank's first job in the prem. So thus far he's failed twice
Shameful, as a pundit he give his opinion like all others in the studio. To say shameful is a strange word to use in a conversation with different opinions. A shameful point of view from U
Lampard’s mistake was taking the Everton job. That was a horrible situation to walk into and it was never going to end well.
Lampard is a really terrible manager. All teams going for him is going to fail. And has.
No this is not trolling. Just look at what he has done.
@@27steve88 Not a chance
But, he gets a pay out. Alls well that ends well. Same as Rafa. Maybe the Mosh cleans the dosh in the managerial payouts. Hence 'its not his decision' 😂😂😂🙃
Spent too much at Derby which bankrupted them, did well one season at Chelsea and then spent loads on dross and spent at Everton but bought or loaned in everyone's cast offs...poor manager. Gerrard got backed at Villa and spent loads then upset the dressing room and was found out tactically
@@27steve88 Do you know the history of Lampard and West Ham? He hates us and we mock him wtf
Danny is right in the old boys network isn't he ,and in complete denial🤦
Danny Murphy is in denial, and I ain’t taking about a river in Egypt 😂😂😂
Bo selecta lol
Even the villa players used to say the vocal person and tactic decider in the management team was Michael Beale. Gerrard was just the name to attract players.
Been saying this for years about Rangers, Michael Beale was the reason behind their success not Gerrard, he was literally just a cheerleader
Who tf is that ? The assistant ?
Rangers owners agree, hence why Beale was offered the Rangers job and not Gerrard second time around.
So again.....so it was Beal that was responsible for the 1 in 10 success. And Rangers wanted the man who was responsible for 10% MADNESSES. We will see how successful Beal is now.
@@kerranderson4757 so far very, and the one in nine, was the only one that really mattered
"I was a good football player. I will definitely make a good manager too. 😲😲😲" - Frank Gerrard
@Hayder Al-Mohammad 6 years.
@Hayder Al-Mohammad Arsene Wenger wasn't a great footballer either🤔
@@mirandaal4541 He didn't profess to be.
@@jaxcoss5790 I didn’t say he did
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At least they gave it a go ! Gerrard could have stayed in the SPL for as long as Rangers wanted him,and Lampard at Derby !
They followed the money mate.
Lampard would have been better off staying at Derby for a few years and getting some experience under his belt
@@djharto4917 they followed their ambition, the same mentality which propelled their footballing career
Derby gambled everything on that one season, that's why they're now in League 1.
One trophy in 3 seasons wow
so many 'experts' said Lampard or Gerrard would be better appointments for NUFC than Howe because 'young players would want to play under their childhood heroes' - just goes to show having a reputation from your playing days is no substitute for managerial craft that comes from time and experience in the dugout.
Gerrard had no tactical nouse at Liverpool hence benitez shafted him to the right wing or forward.
Lol, you're so right. I've always wondered how such a so called legendary player could have such basic limitations. In the 2010 WC Fabio Capello also moved him to the same wing with Ashley Cole and he kept drifting out of position and disrupting the formation and failing to track back. Joachim Lowe the German Coach noticed this and the German team began to overload that left wing position and poor Ashley Cole found himself having to face two or three German attackers at the same time because Gerrard didn't understand the meaning of tracking back. Someone once said that he had the positional sense of an amoeba and I agree 100%.
Simon kills Danny every time 😂
yeh right every time ! 5.02 Eddie Howe conversation.. Simon killed Danny lol
Look at danny Murphy's face as he is losing the argument 😂. Love it.
6:44,,he leaves Jordan speechless
Simon is pulling shirt to, I agree with him to a point, but scarce his chin when he stumbles himself &can't argue about Robert do matteo, then says "he FEELS" Vincent company will do better, omfg you've just been arguing other leagues don't count for 10 mins
Yep destroyed by a chairman who had his trousers pulled down by lazy overpaid footballers , this is what goes on in football clubs, behind 😮the scenes, footballers think they can rule the world after retiring , it’s a real piss take. Simon , Destroys Danny, you kicked a bag of wind, your opposite pundit wrote the cheques every time. It really is a source of entertainment players believe they are are the reason for all the riches of football , it’s not … Simon is box office footballers are gutter individuals and deserve the bankruptcy two thirds of them go to every year to sourness charity. This is an outrage and needs regulation
@@kingflixmovies837 Yup, Murphy met every one of Jordan's arguments with a counter-example. Jordan throws ppl by speaking quickly. Murphy's having none of it. Simon Jordan's view of anyone is based on what's happened in the past fortnight.
Per Simon's point, look at the difference between Villa under Emery vs Gerrard. Same group of players under Gerrard hurtling towards relegation; under Emery Villa are 5 points from being in the top 6. In my opinion, all down to superior coaching, man management and tactical know how.
Plus plenty of experience.Blame the club chairman not the managers.
Same with Newcastle going from an inept manager in Bruce, to Howe. you can see it in Villa too! Going from a bad manager to a good one is night and day
Gerrard is English thats why, English managers are gash. An English manager has never won the Premier League, embarrassing
Your opinion is good
Would be nice to see british managers who come out of that framework to try their hands more at coaching abroad and actually approach management from a coaching perspective that you see the likes of klopp, pochettino, potter, Ten Hag, arteta and Pep (in the beginning) be associated with as opposed to trying to rush into roles before getting their hands dirty and learning that aspect of the craft.
To do that they would need to be able to speak multiple languages.
Spot on. Ten Hag turned down big offers from dutch sides to go & coach Bayerns youth team. Can't imagine Lampard or Gerrard doing that, they'd see it as beneath them & that's their problem, too high an opinion of themselves.
This!!
I think your right when you think of managers in the 90s and early 00s managers wer coaches thy did the day to day running of the club and the coaching, tactics it was all part of the same role where as now you have alot of the time the two rol3s separate.
Why? Let them run pubs
I can still remember how these so called pundits claimed gerard, lampard and olé are better than Arteta as manager's 🤦🏻♂️.
As a Villa fan, the issue can be boiled down to SG's lack of coaching, tactical awareness and man management. He can talk the talk, but he needs to go get experience and learn from his experiences.
This is true. Gerrard should have stayed at the Liverpool Academy and worked his way up to being an assistant coach under Klopp. This would have helped him to build the fundamental skills and tactics for being an EPL Manager.
Most clubs need a Alex fergusson tipe manager take no nonsense. Plus if you don't perform boot across the eye.
For frank or Gerrard the best thing they can do is go become assistant coach to pep or klopp ten haag even arteta to change and adapt.
Agreed! If they don’t want to do that, look to the MLS.
German managers are quite tactical as well.
They are both not even close to Mikel. Mikel was involved since he was Arsenal's captain and he is just way better in every single department than both of them together. It was visible since his 1st press conference. ;)
There egos won’t let them
I thought Lampard's assistants were his biggest mistake, all yes-men. except for Paul clement I suppose
Danny constantly getting schooled by Simon 😂😂😂
does he? Try listening to what he is being said not the person who says the most
@@SteveMorgan-hj2rr dont dare argue with the Simon Jordan worshippers, they are absolutely deceived by his long words, and his posch voice. In reality he contradicts himself constantly, hes vain, he thinks hes above us all, and hes arrogant. When hes losing a argument hes got a great ability to move the goal posts without anyone even noticing. Unless of course you focus properly on everything he says.
@@jamesfretwell1511 I often see the point of what he has to say. But when it comes to a decent debate and exchange of ideas rather than a personal monologue as soon as the going gets tough he seems always to resort to a diatribe in shouty intimidate mode. I would love to see him try it on with Mick Lynch LOL, yep for sure he ain't exactly Noam Chomsky
@@jamesfretwell1511 exactly. I was listening to his counter-argument about Eddie Howe and thinking “what’s your point?…” He was ignoring Danny’s very simple and clear point that you can’t judge a manager too early.
I don't think he did. i thought he made interesting points
Pep has said that he could not have done at Leeds what Bielsa did with the limited resources and players.
By the same token, I would say that Gerrard and Lampard could be given all the riches of Pep's Man City, take his position tomorrow and they would fail.
It is all relative to experience and technical thinking and planning and management.
Emery showing Gerrard’s a failure with the same players, now have the joint best form in the league since he became manager.
1. Arteta makes former players turned managers like bad
2. Danny Murphy can’t really say his mates failed, rock and hard place.
Danny made a point about Eddie Howe failing, taking a step back then succeeding, despite most likely given no chance, and there's no reason Gerrard and/or Lampard can't do the same, and no-one seems to get it. Odd.
Murphy, what a joke, never going to be honest about how terrible Gerrard was at Villa
The Truth hurts. The day Simon Jordan leaves Talk Sport. This radio station is done for. He has destroyed everyone with his honesty and that hurts..
The man is something else
Even as managers, people are never going to get away from comparing them.
where is scholesy btw? biting his daughters toe nail?
They never ran any club to the wall. If you want to talk about failures.
The Steve Bruce and mark hughes of their generation.
Harsh but true.
@@ianjackson8371 haha harsh on which pair?
Bradford fan, Mark Hughes is doing wonders for our team and squad!
Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes had some fairly solid spells as managers in the PL. Gerrard and Lampard are nowhere near
@@steviet9452 Mansfield fan. We will see fairly soon.
It's simple, the transition from player to manager requires a period of apprenticeship with no exceptions for anyone. Don't take the Shearer/Henri/Neville route expecting a different outcome!
You have to learn a job. You start at Kidderminster Harriers, not Villa and Everton.
Pep & Mikel do tactics,Steven & Frank do tictacs.
Think saying lampard is a failure is too harsh. Don’t forget he managed a top 4 finish at chelsea with a transfer embargo and played kids who hadn’t really proved themselves in the premier league. Also in his 2nd season they were in first place in December. Was he ready and fully equipped for that job? No absolutely not. He lost the squad and was too rigid to change tactics.
Saying he is a failure is way too harsh.
Chemistry counts - its not all the managers fault. Sometimes things just dont work out with players/clubs.
Mills said that Lampard did okay at Chelsea. He wasn't awful and wasn't great...that's what Mills said. He said that Gerrard was a failure in the Prem. He was. Not sure why Mills is getting so much grief.
A guy like Danny shouldn't have given a pundit job when they can't even criticize their former teammates.
You’d have to be a weirdo to criticise your mates. You obviously don’t have any.
@@LHBH8 Fool.......Us we don't speak on national radio or media,if he don't criticize other player than im fine with it but since he does,he need to keep the same energy.
@@ljunyreona9882 Go watch your own bum players media.
@@thameaty1 Too embarrassed to say what bum country you’re from? Maybe if I ask in Swahili you’ll answer..
Thank You Jordan speaking truth.
Love Simon to bits but he called Steve cooper a perennial loser and although there is plenty of time for things to go wrong at Forest starting tonight I think the way he took adversity on and managed to turn the situation around some what to get them to mid table is commendable. Maybe the time simon said it he was somewhat a failure in club managerial terms but the great thing about life and the job your in is you can turn your fortunes around and he did that with Nottingham Forest. Time will tell if he can sustain that but Frank and Gerrard have to use this as character building. They did that as players and had many set backs and went again. I’m sure they will reflect and come back in another capacity maybe take a job in the championship and work their way up. But never count anyone off in life cause you never know when that charge is coming!
Conversation starts out as "Is Gerard as big a failure as Lampard in THE PREMIER LEAGUE"
Danny the dipper Murphy: Ehhhhhh I wouldn't say Gerrard because of what he did at Rangers. 😂
Love it
🤣🤣
? Try listening, Jim asks "Can both be considered failures" there was no mention of the words Premier League, until he was half way through answering, only then was the question changed to now include Premier League.
Jody Morris's influence during Frank's first season at Chelsea shouldn't be underestimated.
Remember when they compared them along Ole with Arteta 😂😂😂
Buddy atleast ole got United 2nd and 3rd in the league
At one time there was a poll on who would win the EPL as a manager first... Lampard was ahead, arteta was odds on being first to be fired.. I guess times change 💯
Ole is one of the worst managers on the planet, he is comparable to Lampard and Gerrard, in fact he might even be worse. Arteta is clear of all these bums, facts.
@@ManUAreFrauds - he’s only clear based on this season. And how would ole or arteta do at villa and Everton ?
Arteta hasn’t won the league yet
That's bit harsh calling them failures as young manager's. Name me a manager in history of the game in their early years in management that didn't do mistakes?
They would be called failures, if they've been in management for over 10+ years and keep doing same mistakes time after time. Judging them already as managers is madness yet there's been managers out there who's been in game for some time and haven't done enough in their own management careers.
LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber
ZZ, pep, etc
Most top players aren't great managers... Lampard, Gerrard, Pirlo, Xavi..
Xavi just won supercup? Top of the league?
Look at the impact Emery has had in a short space of time, says it all really
It says that the average is higher than a dip in variance. But you wouldn’t know about that.
@SuperYtc1 u was saying?
I think Gerrard has a bit more about him. Lampard done well at Chelsea during the transfer embargo season. He should've taken the Norwich job instead of Everton
Lampard is a complete failure imo he left Derby in a state where he nearly destroyed them and he's left Everton in exactly the same state.
So many ex pros don’t do the hard yards learning the trade and just jump into a big team and they are completely out of their depth. Many have played under supreme managers who make the job look easy at times and so they reckon they can come in and do the same as they have seen it first hand
Lampard needs to go and get himself the Belgium national team job.
Danny's right - "That's what I said".
And Simon really was missing his point about Howe, and what Danny was saying about Howe
Sometimes becoming a success requires failure along the way
Howe went and studied the best coaches in different sports across the world since his last job created his bible as he calls it and has improved his tactical failures such as defending and his management and team building, and its shows….lets see if either of these two do that or just continue with their arrogance of im stevie g or lamps and i know more than u
A while back some fans were trying to compare Lampard and Arteta smh
Lampard had the biggest and best squad at Derby and achieved nothing
How did some of the big managers start out Kloop, Guadiola and Tuchel
Lampard and Gerrard need to take up an assistant coaching job under a reputable manager. Eddie worked under Simeone before getting the Newcastle job and Arteta worked under Pep Guardiola. That’s how Lampard and Gerrard can learn and grow on the job.
Danny's body language was hilarious.
It just confirms that great players do not necessarily turn out to be into a great managers.
Pirlo at Juventus for example
44 secs in look at Simons face when Danny says not a failure 😅😅 then the smile "I'm gunna wipe the floor with you" 😅
Brilliant British managers of the past had to work from the bottom up. Bobby Robson, Brian Clough, Alex Ferguson etc big name players who plunge straight into top clubs usually struggle statistically. They might get one off decent seasons but egos get in the way.
As players
Vieira
Gerrard
Lampard
As managers
Vieira
Gerrard
Lampard
Vieira is still the best premiership midfielder ever
@@jacktandy7720 that’s just not true, if he won a treble, or even a champions league trophy with Arsenal then maybe he can be compared to Scholes 😂
If you took away their playing careers, and forgot who they were, they'd be regarded as a couple of EPL managerial failures so far. Playing and managing require two completely different set of skills, and former players shouldn't be given plum managerial jobs on the basis of their playing careers.
Depends what the palyers took of the managers they palyed under. Cloughs players seem to made good managers and now look at arteta,kompany and anelka who learned under pep.
Frank needs to coach the youth teams. He needs players that look up to him and take every word in. Kids will give you that. Then he needs to grow from that rep to produce the best young players and (if he gets the chance) recruit them to his next club once they have come up. Frank is good at tablet spotting tuchel is good tactically with the talent.
If you failed, how can you not be a failure. Danny is smoking something 😂
Leave my gear out of this!
Rather ironic really as they were often touted as being part of the 'golden generation' of England players that consistently failed in major international tournaments. Outstanding in PL but not in circles where the best players operate.
The best players operate in the prem
@@civildiscourse7626 true - but I was talking then. We seem to have a crop of good young talent at the moment, all operating in the top division. I actually feeling quite positive for the first time for ages.
@@krg1605 even back then some of the best players were in the prem, and he played against the best in the champions league too
@@civildiscourse7626 True - but unfortunately most of them at that time weren't English. To be the best, in my mind, you need to beat the best. That means at a national level where you don't have to rely on foreign players to bring your team's standards up.
You cant fake tactical nous, lampard has the same basic principles since derby. He is a bonafide failures, also goes for his coach team. Reminds me of southgate. Maybe everyone that is trained by the FA and has licenses there were being taught the same philosophy. Solksjaer took his license with english fa as well. All three have identical passing patterns especially around half way line and passing it among the cb. Identical
I really wish people would stop using the word ‘whatabouttery’ to counter perfectly valid points
How is Solksjaer clear of Lampard and Gerrard omg 😂😂😂😂
Won a couple of league titles in Norway, got to a European final with United, finished in the top four, etc etc. 🤡
Another expert I see lol 🧐
@@KittySofttpaws finished in the Top 2 to be precise.
@@richardjones8699 Correct but top 4 also emphasizes that he got CL football, made it to the quarter finals there also after beating PSG in the last 16 over two legs.
All in the same bracket. They are not failures but not elite managers maybe average. But out of the 3 Ollie was PROBABLY most successful.
“There’s not many premiere league clubs that are giving out managers jobs to failures.”
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😂! I’m an Evertonian and that made me chuckle!
Too good...well done sir 😂😂😂
Both were massive step ups for the lads. Both are young too.
"epic" is a bit strong. But you have a point. To be a successful manager u need to be really good.
frank has had more success than gerrard. decent at derby, decent first season with chelsea. lampard took a terrible job with everton
Did nothing at derby did nothing at Chelsea and terrible at Everton
@@tevildo45 he got derby to the play-offs and got chelsea top 4 and fa cup final. thats a decent job imo. much better than what gerrard did
Everton was a poison chalice,
Lampard kept everton up last season
Hes biggest ACH
Danny won the argument with the Di Matteo point.
He certainly diminished the over-
assertions and absolutism of mr
Jordan, that was for sure!
There need starting from the bottom and work up that's how work you can't start from up and go down
Spot on from Simon!
The boards of said clubs didn't need to hire these guys though did they? 😂🤷
Great players dont always make great managers Henry is another good example
Fundamentally no reason why there should be any relationship between quality of a player and quality of a manager.
"If we look at it through the prism of..."😀excellent use of language in a football context. Great stuff
Number ONE Englishman critique of the century, Simon...
I swear Simon is the only balanced pundit in great Britain. His hate for Rafael is crazy 🤪 😜
They’re both English what else do you expect from English managers
Derby fan here, Lampard had £10m to bring in Mount, Wilson and Tomori on loan for a season, he finished no higher than Rowett did in the previous season and bottled the playoff final by leaving his 2 strikers on the bench. He brought a good vibe to the club, but was tactically underwhelming
The Horse & Trumpet or Red Lion are good options.
Big IQ difference between Simon and Danny.
Disagree. Danny Murphy is one of the most intelligent and insightful ex-pro pundits in the media
@@3mundi Yes ok but no, but I didn't say who actually had the bigger IQ. Say hello to Danny's Mum everyone!
@@russellthechemist8291 😂
They both rushed to take over big jobs instead of experience from smaller teams
Don't butter over the fact that the English privilege card was used too. They are both crap crap managers.
They should both consider going to lowet divisions and learn and put in the work. Eventually they may develop to be able to handle a Prem Job.
Aside from the comments from the hosts and underneath mine, it never ceases' to amaze me how the best managers have never really achieved much success during their playing days. Klopp, Tuchel, Ferguson, Clough, Busby, Shankly etc.
Just because you were an elite player doesn't make you an elite manager.
They both need to go to the championship for 3 or 4 season's
Or do you think they should consider going and being assistant coaches to experienced top flight managers and do an apprenticeship?
The NEXT to be fired is Potter
Lampard rebuilt the Chelsea team under embargo - Chelsea champions league final team was almost entirely a lampard rebuild. Including bringing youth in like James and mount. He finished top 4 his first season whilst in an embargo and kept Everton up in his first season there. That doesn’t seem like failure to me
Simon making it hard on Murphy here coz he's best mates with Gerrard and lampard. haha
Nice one Murphy... You put SJ in a box he couldn't get out of... 🤣🤣🤣
You’re going back 20 year. Danny. Lol. Lot changed
Thank you Simon. The only man on Talksport who tells it like it is. The rest of the ex players now pundits are muppets.
11:49 that look on Dannys face really says it all.. Lampard i failed you i failed you please forgive me Lampard
Simon that’s a terrible view. Both CL at Chelsea were won by coaches hired in the middle of the season… Tuchel failed at PAG and was lucky to win CL through a new coach bounce effect
Giving people top jobs just because of their name is ridiculous and had backfired on the clubs.
I think you only have to have listened to Gerrard's interviews during his career to see what an uninspiring character he was regardless of how good a player people thought he was
Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard, this generation's Bryan Robson and Peter Reid of football management