"Great Players DON'T Make Great Managers!" 👀🔥 Danny Murphy Defends Birmingham's Sacking Of Rooney!
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11:37 Simons face when Dario Gradi was mentioned as a school teacher. No smoke without fire.
Tune in for part 2, Danny Murphy defending Valencia and their decision to sack Gary Neville
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One of the most bizarre appointments you will ever see. That short Valencia spell looks like a criminal record now😂
Salford should take on Rooney as manager.
Frank Rykaard won the CL, Zinedine Zidane won three CL, Pep Guardiola won the CL with Barcelona & City and Kenny Dalglish won the PL and FA Cup and Didier Deschamps & Franz Beckenbaur both won the WC as Managers!!
Ancelotti and Mancini are great examples too
Most had their club success with dominant clubs. Only Ancellotti started lower down the pyramid and within 3 years he was at a blue chip club. Cruyff only managed Barcelona, Zidane only Real. Dalglish managed a dominant Liverpool and Blackburn with dominant funding, having little success at Newcastle. Guardiola started at Barcelona.
Jordans face when Danny says "Dario Gradi was a great school teacher" 😆
I clocked that as well. 😂
Yeah he had to hold his tongue there 😂😂😂
I knew someone who played for Crewe youth team under him. He was never really comfortable in a sitting position.
absolutely dying when I saw that 😂😂😂😂
Funny, I wasn't hearing Danny Murphy saying Gerrard should be sacked when he had Villa hovering over the relegation zone and the entire fanbase was calling for him to go.
Probably because he had at least done something in management. Can poo poo the Scottish league all you want but he had some good results in Europe too.
Hmm yeah i dont remeber either!!!. Btw great start from new nffc boss. Be afraid crystal palace be afraid if u get cooper as manager.
@@chrissymc886Scotland 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Simon Jordan smirked when. Murphy mentioned Dario Grady name 😅😅
Correct. Just like Guardiola and Ancelotti. Oh yeah not forgetting Zagallo, Beckenbauer and Deschamps.
To an extent I agree. There were great players like Cruijff who were damn amazing managers, but as a general rule I think the great managers are often the lesser known/not as famous players.
Danny Murphy googling what diatribe means @2:50 😂😂
And ? Nothing wrong with learning everyday 😴
You can see him writing it down
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danny is me
Diatribe - “a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.”
Googled
You can't defend the indefensible Rooney should have never been given a high profile managerial job. Where in his managerial career has he shown that he can manage at a pretty high level? He hasn't shown he is a good manager. There are plenty of good experienced managers in league one that would have been much more experienced and wide probably have done a much better job. Rooney will get another job football management is the only profession where you fail at multiple clubs but still keep getting jobs.
Tell that to Sol Campbell. He's still looking for a job.
Oh league 2 then 🤣
Who's in their right mind thought it was great idea of appointing Rooney in first place? Is beyond me
Exactly.....it's not even like he did anything with DC united either. Bizarre decision to give him a gig at Birmingham City
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If in doubt, blame Garry Cook the crook
Blame the owners for having a fan boy mentality. Rooney was a molly-coddled premier league player at the age of 16 and showed very little maturity throughout his career. Never has been and never will be management material.
One reason "Young and English" that's why.
Murphy giving props to Gradi, a man stripped of his MBE, a man who (as was revealed in the QC’s 710 page report) didn’t consider a person putting their hands down another’s trousers to be assault, and in an FA report, it was said that Gradi “could potentially cause or pose a risk of harm to children”.
He could capture an audience alright!
Want him babysitting your children, Danny?
What a ridiculous argument. Dario Gradi didn't alert authorities when he should've done about Bennell but that has no bearing whatsoever on his ability as a coach and Danny Murphy is well within his right to praise someone who made a difference in his life. He barely even gave him props, he was asked who the 3 managers were that made a significant contribution to his life and he revealed the 3. Would you rather he lied?
Go and find a grievance elsewhere.
He did let Danny milk a cow blind folded though.
Yes, managers need time but they also need to implement changes gradually and Rooney went too far without any regard of the results! If Birmingham does give him more time while the results don’t change quick enough to ensure survival, Birmingham would most likely end up being relegated and what if the changes never materialise and Birmingham would suffer in the long run! Rooney should have brought about changes gradually!
I hear your point! Ten Hag has had time and has lost 14 games in all competitions in less than 5 months!
2:24 - Danny Murphy learns a new word. (and then immediately writes it down) ✍
2:42 - Twenty seconds later, he Google's the word 📱 before finally writing down its meaning. ✍
Rooney should have never taken the job. Birmingham were doing well and the chairman should take responbility here for sacking their successful manager which the players seemed to be happy playing under for Rooney. If you can read between the lines here of the situation it seems like Rooney had lost the dressing room before he even took charge and I wouldn't go blaming him for it. It was bad management from the boardroom.
I always imagine when brilliant players become managers they must really struggle to understand why their team are so rubbish. It's like Paul Scholes saying he just kept things simple when he played - genius players just don't get how difficult other people find it.
Rooney as a player has no merit in management. It might get you in the room but as a manager hes done nothing to warrant a job after this.
Birmingham went autograph hunting and it didn't work out. Not surprising. Move on. Wayne Rooney gets way more airtime than either his managerial skill or charisma level would justify. An overpaid, overfed, undereducated ex-player with a face for radio and a win percentage beyond laughable. We have crucified Gerrard and Lampard for a lot less, but this batter dipped sausage gets a pass?
Suarez doing good as manager was a good player. Zidane too.
they are outliers though.
Great players don't make great managers...
Great players simply get great manager jobs...
Except Pep Guardiola.
Guardiola wasn't a great player. He was good but never great. But he is a great manager.@@ygmistique8155
@ygmistique8155 Pep is a case study and an outlier.
Barcelona won the CL just before Pep arrived, and won it again not long after he left.
Bayern Munich won the CL just before Pep arrived - never won it with him there - and won it again not long after he left.
City gave him SEVEN seasons to win it and it's arguable that, with Haaland, that City squad was simply ridiculous.
@@backupdancer3720 You sound ridiculous. He still won it being the youngest manager to win the Champions League. Three times he has won it. Case closed.
@ygmistique8155 Right, so you trawl videos looking for ways to insert Pep into conversation, so that you can argue for him?
Youngest manager is irrelevant - he was given the opportunity to manage an incredible team...most of which were reared by La Masia...and a team that won the CL without him.
I think he had four seasons at Bayern where he inherited the treble-winning team but never won the CL himself.
Then at City, he's unsackable even when he whiffed in semi-finals and the final against Chelsea...
Without that incredible Barcelona team, he's a one-time winner...and no, you can't argue that he'd win anywhere he managed, because his struggle to with the CL with Bayern and City are proof that he is not the god you think he is.
Blues fans like Eustace more than they like Rowett. But I’d welcome either of them back. KRO 🔵⚪️
Unai Emery didn’t take any time to shoot up the premier league… 💜💙🦁
Liatening to wayne rooney talking would send any team plunging into the relegation zone .He inspires boredom and as for Ashley Cole ...jeezus!
Spot on from both of them, the next move by the owners will be critical in my view.I’d ask the senior players for their view as you don’t want to loose the dressing room completely by appointing someone who cannot only stabilise the club and move it forward as you seriously risk relegation.
Just call it out, if you didn’t know who Rooney was you wouldn’t give him a job in McDonald’s with his communication skills.
Beckenbauer, cruff, Zidane, Dalglish
Cruyff, Zidane, ancelotti, rikhiard… note that they were tactical leaders in they teams when they were players
Thanks Danny for clarifying why he got sacked
Defend Birmingham city hiring him not firing him
David Brent has a card saying “if it’s in you, I’ll find it!” And the reason he put “if” is because if he works with you, and it’s clear you haven’t got it, he doesn’t want to be sued… apt!
henry said it himself...
great players need great players to coach... u make the point of Guardiola and zidane but they both had great players to work with at the start of there careers
Steve Bruce 😂worse manager in the history of managers
That would be ole gunnar solsjkaer
Nice for mentioning John Terry, a guy hasn't even have a go at it. Fits your twisted agenda.
Id take Eustace back.
If not, Rowett with Eustace as his number2 or first team coach.
Danny Murphy seems like the kind of guy who likes the smell of his own farts
being good players doesn’t mean they can’t be good managers but they clearly haven’t learn their craft and are being giving jobs they don’t deserve
Birmingham fan. I'm not so sure Rowett would be a popular appointment. During his time at Blues the fans loved him but there was always a sense that he was waiting for the next job. For a bigger club to come in and take him. Almost as though he was courting other clubs, particularly Derby. In the end I believe part of why the board got rid of him was because he wouldn't sign a new contract on improved terms.
I really like him, he's a very good manager. Possibly burnt his bridges with the Birmingham fans though.
He wants to win. Has never been given a fair shot with "funds" to buy better players.
Well worth bringing Rowett back to see if that "big job" he wants can become Birmingham City..
Then he will stay.
No brainer for me...bring him back.
Cruyff and Zidane were both truly great players, much better than Rooney ever was and both did well as managers. Sick of this kind of cliched shite. Mind you, it's prevalent in most of modern discourse.
Murphy being impaled by being on point on this one
Any update on that plane crash in Japan?
Firing Wayne Rooney doesn't even solve 1% of the trouble Birmingham City FC find themselves in. The people that created this hideous debacle are still in charge. The fans should be seriously worried. They shouldn't be openly criticizing these new owners who have done wonderful things off the pitch but they need to be aware that this was a major major blunder that raised many red flags. They have literally put the clubs Championship status in jeopardy.
I disagree. Firing Wayne Rooney solves 99% of the current issues. The new owners took swift action...they know they chose in error. A good step to ENSURE safety...no chance of Blues going down. Takes a good structure to humble themselves and take corrective action.
KRO
Rooney never got a window to bring in his players
Which is just as well. Considering the turn around he made a 5th place team to relegation fodder
"Great players can't manage lesser players". Two of England's greatest ever players, boys of '66, Bobby Moore and Bobby Charlton were not successes as club managers. Arguably either or both would have been more successful as international managers - as Beckenbauer as with Germany.
Zidane did at Madrid
@@graemebucknall2331Zidane was at Real Madrid though. With superstar players. At a club he was a legend at . It’s different. See Zidane at Birmingham see how it would go
@@ronoccc but they were not as good as him as a player not even close.
I didn’t know Moore and Bobby Charlton went into management interesting . His brother Jack Charlton did .
@@ronoccc to manage a team you have to understand not everyone has your football brain so you have to manage players differently until you can upgrade them it’s a slow process.
Danny Murphy wrote Diatripe down so he could check his dictionary later.
Tom Brady likes the glam of Wayne Rooney managing Birmingham. He new it would draw eyes. Why sack a manager who have the team in the playoffs. Birmingham where doing well shocking appointment
I'm a Birmingham fan home and away week in week out and 100% agree with Simon but also mistakes happen and Rooney definitely raised the profile of the club so in essence if that was the point his done his job! Now over to mowbary to try and raise the quality on the pitch!
Bobby Charlton at Preston in the 1970s. BUT Kevin Keegan at Newcastle. It's a case by case basis.
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Bloke had no qualifications and no hint he was suited to the job. Why did they sack the guy who had them in the top half?
Ex players don't make competent 'pundits'.
In all sports and always there is the odd exception. The best players rarely make the best coaches! This is simply because gifted players rarely understand what they do how they do it. And they do not understand how to teach it…. Happens in all sports. Mine wasn’t football but it’s the lesser players who really study themselves & others so they can better their own performances. This later translates into better coaching!
They make some of the best managers as well though. Pep and Carlo both elite world class players and managers as well.
"Great players DON'T make great managers!"
Johan Cruyff? Franz Beckenbauer? Kenny Dalglish? Miguel Munoz? Carlo Ancelotti? Diego Simeone? Fabio Capello? Sir Bobby Robson? Pep Guardiola? Didier Deschamps? Vicente Del Bosque? Giovanni Trapattoni? Mario Zagallo? Zinedine Zidane? Ernst Happel? Jupp Heynckes?
Clough was a very decent player as well
@@MrBobsmith34 Indeed. I very nearly included him but decided against it as he wasn't a "Great" as a player. Another one who nearly made the list was Terry Venables.
Absolutely, complete cliche that great players can’t make great managers.some can’t some can
@@garylago9123 Exactly. Danny's clearly feeling salty due to his fellow English compatriots Gerrard, Lampard, Neville and Rooney having been such colossal failures in football management.
I think Xabi Alonso is heading in the right direction as well.
Rooney didnt do well at DC, didnt do great at Derby, and now didnt do well at Birmingham. Needs to do his apprenticeship under a top coach first
What i dont get is why arent ex players not considering being an assistant coach?
Strange Danny cites Hodgson but overlooks his 6 month's managing his beloved Liverpool - 20 games, 9 defeats, 7 wins; a win rate below nathan jones at southampton
there are some great players with successful management careers: Franz Beckenbauer, Didier Deschamps .... Vincent Kompany has started well at Burnley .... Brian Clough and Bobby Robson were both fine players and England internationals, two of our best managers ever .....
Cruyff maybe lol
zidane and cruyff maybe lol your bar of great is so low loool Deschamps he’s a good player nothing more.
Wayne Rooney now available for Man U. Timing is perfect.
He'll need a long contract though.
bobby charlton - preston, bobby moore - Southend, hurst- Chelsea( when they were poor) Only 1966 palyer who made a fist of management was Alan Ball, and that wasn't too impressive, either.
I think that's valid point made earlier.. A Good chairman should make the effort speak players collectively see what available Head Coaches they'd respond and run through brick walls for.. Rooney wasn't that person from start.
Simon cites Pep - but he started his learning at Barca B & was in a club with a set style of play he grew up in, Zidane managed a team who regularly won trophies and had the kudos of being a club legend like lampard at Chelsea. It's similar to Solskjaer who got much more time at Man Utd than Cardiff - the Spurs fan was right, great players very rarely make great managers
I along with all villa supporters think Steve Gerrard would b a perfect fit !!!
Johan Cruyff was brilliant at both
He did play premier league at 16 , to go until 33 isn’t too bad he lined ur derby job in his deal so had to retire when job was offered
Rooney was finished by 27 really as he didnt look after himself well enough. Yes i know he played on but he wasnt the same as a player by that point. Look at him and Ronaldo, Rooney is a year younger and lools about 10 years older than him.
@@robzombie5928 27 lol....he played in the prem until 33 years old during which he broke the all time Man Utd goalscoring record. Why Rooney gets as much flak as he does I dont know but he was a superstar and had a world class career. Ronaldo is playing in the Saudi league right now after coming back to Man U and being pretty average and having a tantrum every time his team mate wouldnt pass to him. Like many Jordan just doesn't like Rooney.
Guadiola, Beckenbauer, Xabi Alonso, Zidane.
Great players can make great managers but the link between the two seems to be non-existent. You have to be independently great at both but you can be. It has happened quite a few times that players who've played at the very highest levels have been successful managers at the very highest levels; Trapattoni, Cruyff, Pep, Zidane, Rijkaard, Ancelotti.
Rooney didn't understand the first most basic rule of being a football manager - you have to get results. You get time after you've proved you can do that.
He's never proved that.
Wayne Rooney has not got the sharp intelligence to be a good manager. Like Gazza, born to be great players, management a different thing, they could not even look after themselves properly, never mind a squad to manage.
Danny Murphy is a good listen. Makes very pertinent points.
"Great players don't make great managers."
What utter nonsense.
What about Cruyff, Guardiola, Ancelotti and Zidane to name a few?!🙄
We all know about Dario Gradi
I think Rooney went into management far to soon if he really wants it definitely needs to be a number 2 a learn he's a winner for me and I hole he doesn't give up .keep going Rooney
He'll go home to Coleen and the Kids with a nice big pay off for 3 months work.
Nice work if you can get it.
Alonso coached a youth/reserve side and he moved to senior coaching very quickly.
Case and point Gerrard at Villa.
There aren't many managers in proportion to the amount of standard ex players, so it stands to reason that there are few elite players managing.
Neville did try it and failed miserably.
John Terry is trying to
Ashley Cole is training to
Beckham is part owner of Inter Miami and doesn’t need to manage.
I think there stands a point of correction in saying great players don't make great managers. To be honest in Spain and France the opposite can be said. Most english great players were pure talents and not a product of good coaching.
Beckenbauer Duchamp Zidane Pep Conte Mancini Dalglish Angelotti Clough
I always give former players credit for trying management. Rooney isn't short of a few quid. He could've just sat on his wealth or become a pundit but he wanted to try it. It didnt work out.
He was world class at what he did on the pitch. But managers are more tactically adept and need to be good people persons. And its not enough to be inspired. You have to inspire everybody else. Rooney should move onto other projects now.
That's good " he could have become a pundit" The guy mumbles through every time he makes a statement, he has the vocabulary of a 10 year old. I remember being in the Winslow pub, outside Goodison Park and his old Feller had a shirt on with all the buttons in the wrong holes. You can't polish a turd.
exactly what I was going to say lol ...a pundit role will suit him better
Entitlement, exceptionalism, maybe good old fashioned arrogance - those are the reasons why the so called Golden Generation don't do well at management level. If Wayne was to take 10 years out and work his way up from the bottom and learn from his failures, that would put him in good stead. But he feels he doesn't have to - he feels, just because he's Wayne Rooney the success he enjoyed as a player will follow naturally. Well he's learning, just like the others that it doesn't work that way. Managing 12 to 15 egos is very, VERY different from playing alongside 12 to 15 serial winners. Very different indeed. I agree with Simon: Wayne didn't do enough to warrant any further time. Bye, bye Mr Rooney... 👋
"great players dont make great managers" when did he go back on the drink, Zidane
Clough was a pretty good player who got by as a manager, please explain!!
Great players of any sport seldom make great coaches. They have a knack or a natural gift (that can’t be taught), that makes them great but they have no idea how to import that gift into someone else.
Wow! hadnt heard Dario Grady's name for decades... played against him when he played for Sutton and with him for the FA Amaruer X! and England Amateur squad... way way back.. 55.60 years ago?.. very little intelligence in the footbal scene then but ( as a teacher ) Dario was one that actually had a brain and used it... and i was privileged , looking back, to be one of the first fullbacks to play 'from the back".. wide and deep just outside my own penealty box to receive the ball from the goal-keeper or occupy the oppositions heads/forwards about who and where to mark.... didnt he manage Crewe for like a million years?....
Golden generation are not cutting it for multiple reasons, but undoubtedly because of arrogance. Plenty of top ex-players make it, but they generally take a healthy amount of time to climb the ladder to first team manager. Golden gen have thrown themselves at it in a complete scattergun approach.
Diatribe is a polite word for Radio😂😂
Beckham a manager? Give it a rest Jim 😂
Have they stil the old manager phone number
Rooney drinks 5 pints of beer with fish and chips after every training session 😂😂😂😂
Players threw him under the bus , they weren't happy that they sacked the other guy.
I agree not all do make great managers but don't forget Cruyff or beckenbauer smh
To be honest Danny Murphy is very wrong to suggest all great players don't make great managers. There are some who have/do.
Surely after 2 wins on the trot, team playing well, in 6th position, a new manager coming in would not make wholesale changes to that team but use his first match in charge to assess the teams performance and make changes for the next match if necessary. Rooney did none of that, made immediate changes to a winning team, tried to make them play in a completely different way which they were not comfortable with and consequently we are now 20th and facing yet another relegation scrap. All I can say is thank God he's gone before he did any more damage.
All to often we see this....
And as said: "Great Footballers, do not necessarily make Great Football Managers."
The question now is, where now for Wayne Rooney.
Maybe he needs to learn to walk before he runs and come down into a lower Division, or take on an Assistant Managers roll and learn from that.
But they still need to be given chances. Otherwise how do you explain Pep becoming the Barcelona manager after managing only Barca b, which gives far less credit than Rooney lampard etc for at least managing the in the championship
Darren Farley has the answer about Rooney 👀😂………SJ’s face when Danny mentions Gradi 😂😂😂
Henry once said that "its easy for great players to manage great players"
There was no improvement under Rooney. He deserved to be sacked. Even if he had a transfer window I doubt he’d be able do anything with the new players. He hasn’t got a good track record anywhere he’s been!
11:33 hows the whiskey sour simon?😂😂
Some dance to remember, some dance to forget
Xabi Alonso is an anomaly.
Average players don't make good pundits always