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  • @MCFCTheMadHatter
    @MCFCTheMadHatter Před 4 měsíci +46

    Red card for simulation/diving would solve a lot of problems discussed here

    • @atverde
      @atverde Před 4 měsíci

      How would it? He was given a penalty.

    • @MCFCTheMadHatter
      @MCFCTheMadHatter Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@atverde Bc it was a blatant simulation. Same with Jota, same with Schar from NU

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@MCFCTheMadHatter Dupravka spoke after the Liverpool vs Newcastle game and admitted that he did foul Jota and that it was a fair penatly. Did you miss that? Doesn't suit your narrative about a player who is not actually a diver though, does it.

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci

      Grealish will get sent off every match if that policy is implemented. He's one of the worst divers in the league.

    • @MCFCTheMadHatter
      @MCFCTheMadHatter Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@LordHighness Please send me a link to that interview. If that’s the case, fair enough. But that still doesn’t negate what I said about the other two AND it doesn’t negate what I originally said. So why don’t you do me a favor and rub your two IQ point together, try and get a spark and think about what I originally wrote as it pertains to football on a much wider so text. Unless of course you’re fine with players diving and cheating

  • @yatesy117
    @yatesy117 Před 4 měsíci +72

    Wish we'd stop having endless debates on this just give a 1 game ban and a fine for obvious dives where players try to decieve refs and lead to penalties end of discussion its simple

    • @baggzio97
      @baggzio97 Před 4 měsíci +3

      This has already happened. Oumar Niasse received a ban for "deceiving match officials" years ago and there's not been a single punishment since, despite the fact that Niasse in that incident had more contact than a lot of penalties these days. No prizes for guessing who Niasse was playing for at that time, just like Calvert Lewin's nonsense decision the other day.

    • @neilewins9920
      @neilewins9920 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@baggzio97 The last player to get a retrospective 3 match ban for diving was Manuel Lanzini while playing for West Ham. No player has been banned since, though I reckon there could be several hundred if it was taken seriously. Players like Bruno would be lucky to get one game per month at the current dive rate....
      While we're here, can we please put hands up for the game to be stopped and started on the refs whistle, a la every code of sport bar football...it's 2024 for goodness sakes...

    • @mikedon5205
      @mikedon5205 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The yellow for VVD last night against Fulham was a joke

    • @jkmb5758
      @jkmb5758 Před 4 měsíci

      The fact is that contact, even if minimal, knocks you off your stride and denies or minimises your chances of scoring. The problem is that a player has to go down, if they want the penalty and also refs have different perceptions as to what constitutes minimal/acceptable contact and also are not consistent in their application thereof (even within the same game).
      It is the same with holding/hugging/impeding an opposition player. Where do you draw the line. Simple solutions are no hands on or arms around opposition player, no player excepting captain may engage or question ref, if player goes down, he should immediately leave field for a HIA.

    • @dude9038
      @dude9038 Před 4 měsíci

      @@jkmb5758 So in your opinion Football isn't a contact sport? Maybe you should go watch volleyball

  • @kol9382
    @kol9382 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Stop encouraging diving and cheating? No one encourages it more than Adrian Durham, Henry Winter, Gary Lineker etc. When Kane takes a tumble in an England shirt Vs Malta, its 'clever centre forward play'. Nah lads, he's a diver and one of the most notorious.
    Its easy to pick on the foreign lads, not so much Englands golden boy though...

  • @DinnyGman
    @DinnyGman Před 4 měsíci +27

    Where was this energy when Jota dived recently?

    • @mloose7870
      @mloose7870 Před 4 měsíci +8

      EXACTLY where was the 20 minute video then?? Joke

    • @notfirstyourlast
      @notfirstyourlast Před 4 měsíci +2

      Alternately, a player gets fouled stays on his feet, no foul is called, and the narative is..."he should have gone down"

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci +1

      They talked about the Jota foul for about two days afterwards. I say foul and not dive because Martin Dupravka admiitted after the match that he did foul Jota and that it was a fair penalty. Sorry to burst your fake bubbles.

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci

      @@notfirstyourlast Exactly. This needs addressing too, I completely agree and have been saying the same thing.

    • @mister3566
      @mister3566 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@LordHighnessLiar, he said nothing of the sort

  • @nathanliepner689
    @nathanliepner689 Před 4 měsíci +19

    Its common knowledge amongst pundits to have a differing of opinion when it comes to united. Its actually blatant bias at this point.

    • @gratefulkm
      @gratefulkm Před 4 měsíci +2

      The Premier League and the Media have always promoted plucky little Man U taking on the Goliath that is Liverpool
      "the most competitive league in the world"

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci

      Nathan, for every Man Utd critic in the media there's a Man Utd fan or ex-player. On talkSPORT alone you've got Andy Goldstein, Alex Crook, Mark Goldbridge all batting for United. Plus, Lianne Sanderson (ugh) and probably one or two others. That's more than my team Liverpool has at talkSPORT.
      Goldbridge even does a regular segment on here specifically all about Man Utd! No other club in the league has weekly segments dedicated to news and updates about only them! On Sky you have Gary Neville and Roy Kaane, massive Man Utd mouthpieces, elsewhere you have Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Owen Hargreaves, Danny Higginbotham, to name a few. It's hardly as though Man Utd has no cheerleaders in the media.
      At ESPN, another popular sports news outlet, there's Rob Dawson, a journalist who also has regular segments talking only about Man Utd news and updates. Again, no other club has such segmetns dedicated to them like this. So if you get more criticism too, then it only balances out the other over-representation Man Utd gets.

    • @limewelsh
      @limewelsh Před 4 měsíci

      Stop making this conversation tribal

    • @limewelsh
      @limewelsh Před 4 měsíci

      Stop making this conversation tribal

  • @ninjashrimpgaming2657
    @ninjashrimpgaming2657 Před 4 měsíci +7

    And this is why i was dissapointed with all the Liverpool fans celebrating Jota cheating. We need to kick diving out the game. Jota, Sterling, Saka, Fernandez they are nothing more than cheats

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci

      Jota has never dived, he is not known for a diving, he simply isn't that kind of player. Newcastle goalkeeper Martin Dupravka admitted after the Newcastle match that he DID foul Jota and that it WAS a fair penalty. You can find it on CZcams. Careful observation of the replays clearly show Dupravka's elbow clipping Jota's ankle as he's running through. If you're accusing Jota of being a player who regularly simulates then please give me other examples because I already know you won't be able to find any.

    • @ninjashrimpgaming2657
      @ninjashrimpgaming2657 Před 4 měsíci

      @LordHighness dubravka did not say that. Dubravka said there was contact but he pulled away and it he did not agree it was a foul, but the ref gave it so there is no point diving. Learn to read properly and understand the English language ffs. Jota is nothing but a cheat and people like you should not be defending or making excuses for cheats. It's shameful. He is a dirty diving cheat, he is that player 100% and the whole world watched it. Stop supporting cheats it's embarsssing reading stuff like this. Do you not have any shame at all

    • @bobsocks7575
      @bobsocks7575 Před 4 měsíci

      @@LordHighnessStop making things up, he dived and is a cheat

  • @barrychester3759
    @barrychester3759 Před 4 měsíci +33

    I'm a united fan but diving and simulation as well as VAR is killing the game.

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci +2

      The problems with diving and simulation all come down to the refereeing. We can blame players but referees are meant to control the game in that regard. They don't punish genuine diving enough, and if a player is kicked or tripped, they also typically won't give a foul unless the player goes to ground, which encourages simulation, since players have to go down unnaturally. It's all down to how referees manage those two situations and it doesn't seem like they're really even seriously trying to address the issue. I don't think it'd be fair though to punish all simulation when they're forcing legitimately fouled players to simulate in order to have that fiul recognized. It's a mess. I agree though, all that and VAR is killing the game.

    • @conormurphy3657
      @conormurphy3657 Před 4 měsíci

      Nah VAR is good

    • @DanTheMan-yx9vw
      @DanTheMan-yx9vw Před 4 měsíci +1

      30 years too late mate

  • @bobbates797
    @bobbates797 Před 4 měsíci +34

    This is just a witch hunt now.
    Saka and Jota are always doing never gets mentioned but then it doesn’t fit the narrative.
    Dalot gets 2 yellows in quick succession and Nunez gets nothing not even a mention.
    Living in these divs heads rent free 😂

    • @wujmt5154
      @wujmt5154 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Spot on.

    • @Nutsarooba
      @Nutsarooba Před 4 měsíci +4

      Saka gets kicked to f**k every game, multiple times from the same player! No card given! He's gonna get hurt sometime!

    • @mister3566
      @mister3566 Před 4 měsíci

      Because it's United the whole world wants to read about it. LiVARpool and VARsenal no one's bothered about

    • @edenhazard2751
      @edenhazard2751 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Nutsarooba Saka is dirty player, he doesnt even got a card for multiple fouls in Liverpool game.

    • @ottomans2876
      @ottomans2876 Před 4 měsíci

      True to an extent because United are a bit of a s**t show lately, but have you forgotten about Diaz's goal against Tottenham? Where we could see on the tele he was way onside, no line shown, just goal disallowed, free kick Tottenham. We had 2 players sent off in that game (and a few red cards this season) What was it, communication error they said? The goal could have made a hell of difference in that game.@@mister3566

  • @nishchaychauhan8814
    @nishchaychauhan8814 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Things have gotten worse since Howard Webb’s appointment for sure!

  • @Naldo_bleedaz
    @Naldo_bleedaz Před 4 měsíci +9

    I've seen cases where contact is made and because the players don't fall over its not given..so you can't solely blame the players

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci +2

      That's 100% correct. All the fault lies with the referees, ultimately. By forcing fouled players to go to ground (simulate) in order to win a perfectly legtimate foul, and also by not punishing genuine diving enough. But to properly enforce the latter they need to address the former first. They need to stop encouraging simulation before punishing simulation. The referees are meant to control the game in that regard and currently they're not doing that properly at all.

    • @bobsocks7575
      @bobsocks7575 Před 4 měsíci +1

      But contact doesn’t necessarily mean a foul and if the contact is not sufficient for them to fall over, they shouldn’t do that, but if here is a significant impediment and they stay on their feet the referee should see that and award the penalty.

  • @WilliamHBonney617
    @WilliamHBonney617 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Did Murphy mention the likes of Jota, Diaz, Salah etc who play for the biggest beneficiaries of "benefit of doubt" officiating

  • @sidstewart7399
    @sidstewart7399 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I see so much diving every week with no comment. United player does it and its non stop debate.

    • @dondamon4669
      @dondamon4669 Před 4 měsíci +1

      We keep them all in jobs and it seems there obsession with us is getting worse! The views about other teams must be so low

  • @TaegAntre
    @TaegAntre Před 4 měsíci +21

    Where was this energy for the jota penalty against Newcastle?

    • @oufc90
      @oufc90 Před 4 měsíci +12

      They did, there’s a video from 8 days ago with a title ‘Simon Jordan BLASTS Diogo Jota’s penalty…’

    • @danwilkinson9001
      @danwilkinson9001 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Because Liverpool are high an mighty and an honest club apparently, disgrace

    • @Sidwhite-yb5cv
      @Sidwhite-yb5cv Před 4 měsíci

      BOO HOO

    • @user-pk3zw7mb8w
      @user-pk3zw7mb8w Před 4 měsíci +2

      Sports bar and J and W covered both players dives. Keep up,sweetheart.

    • @jackninetynine5036
      @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +2

      There was this energy. But Bruno does this over & over again

  • @alexstirling1880
    @alexstirling1880 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Does Danny forget last week he was sticking up for jota and Diaz 😂😂😂.

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci

      Martin Dupravka said after the game that he had fouled Jota and admitted it was a fair penalty. Funny how so many people choose to ignore that inconvenient little fact.

    • @ninjashrimpgaming2657
      @ninjashrimpgaming2657 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@LordHighness because its not a fact. You are misquoting him and lieing to suit your biased narrative. Stop embarssing yourself, it's shameful supporting cheaters. He said he didn't agree but it was given as a penalty, is English difficult for you 😅

  • @si_w8201
    @si_w8201 Před 4 měsíci +6

    I get exactly what Danny and the caller were talking about. The in-the-moment celebration is instinctive and instantaneous but there is now a realisation that it was be checked automatically and potentially ruled out. To be fair, there was always that risk pre-VAR but I'd suggest nowhere near as much...

  • @TotalAlchemy
    @TotalAlchemy Před 4 měsíci +4

    Poor behavior in general should be stamped out & Bruno is again the prime example of this, he needs a whole attitude adjustment.

  • @TimmyRipkey-zj7sg
    @TimmyRipkey-zj7sg Před 4 měsíci +8

    1 of the most blatant penalty I've ever seen

    • @unknownname1941
      @unknownname1941 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I agree. Jota wasn't touched at all and he dived after 5 seconds.

    • @samuelggg3801
      @samuelggg3801 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Was a clear penalty, they have chose the most ridiculous example. They just hate Bruno

    • @mister3566
      @mister3566 Před 4 měsíci

      Jota done half marathon before he went down

  • @raycruise3540
    @raycruise3540 Před 4 měsíci +10

    If you remember when Klinsmann first came to Spurs, he 'dived' and got hammered for it, in the media and on the likes of MOTD, with comments along the lines of 'we dont want that in our game' - very categorical in naming and shaming it across all borders. Now, media, pundits, etc get into the intricacies of 'oh there was some contact...there' (after slowing cameras down etc). The vast majority of games nowadays, the player falls over/grabs the ball on the floor, free-kick is given, which is always frustrating to watch. Then there are games where refs, let them challenges go and 99/100 the pundits will praise the ref for it. However next game same ref/different ref, just blows at every slight challenge. I think it comes down to players being hammered for going down lightly, no debate, just hammer them for it and dish out consequences, likewise refs need to not let them get away with it, by blowing the whistle every time, they 'fall over.'

    • @basement_block_head4880
      @basement_block_head4880 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Did that happen?
      When did Klinsmann dive and get hammered on motd?
      Klinsmann was regarded as a diver before he came to England, particularly for some world cup theatrics, he was asked about it at his unveiling press conference.
      He scored the 4th on his debut at wednesday and did a theatrical dive in celebration
      He was player of the month for August (his first month in England)
      He was football writers player of the year that season

    • @raycruise3540
      @raycruise3540 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@basement_block_head4880 did you know the sky is blue, grass is green, water is wet?

    • @basement_block_head4880
      @basement_block_head4880 Před 4 měsíci

      @@raycruise3540 did you get that from the media or motd? Or is that just how you remember weather

    • @raycruise3540
      @raycruise3540 Před 4 měsíci

      @@basement_block_head4880 as I suspected, just some random person who just wants to argue with people on the internet. It may be worth taking up a hobby, going outside, journaling, you'll feel better for it mate.

  • @atverde
    @atverde Před 4 měsíci +3

    It looks like Fernandes invented diving in football on Monday night.

  • @baronbayne9899
    @baronbayne9899 Před 4 měsíci +8

    Danny Murphy is bang on. I agree with him on a lot.

    • @unknownname1941
      @unknownname1941 Před 4 měsíci

      You should admit yourself to a hospital

    • @baronbayne9899
      @baronbayne9899 Před 4 měsíci

      @@unknownname1941 why because he doesnt advocate players going down easily? Ok

  • @keletsosebolai3795
    @keletsosebolai3795 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Howard webb should be sacked we have had the worst referring decisions in his tenure

  • @steve13191
    @steve13191 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Yeah now comment on how disgusting odegaard behaviour was, threw as much hands and dissent at referees, moaned and dived but apparently only bruno does that 😂😂. Odegaard should have been sent off 4 times by dalot standard

    • @jacknelson927
      @jacknelson927 Před 4 měsíci

      Elliot got booked for it too odegaard gets away with a camera handball and three dissents nothing given there

    • @bobbates797
      @bobbates797 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Nunez tried for 3 yellows in the same game and not even a mention

  • @williamrobinson4253
    @williamrobinson4253 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I just watched the Rivaldo dive again...classic

  • @tevildo45
    @tevildo45 Před 4 měsíci +11

    When it’s an English player it’s clever play when it’s a foreigner it’s diving

  • @del8boy
    @del8boy Před 4 měsíci +2

    Reference the non british players bringing diving to the English game, to get an unfair advantage. I remember back in the 60/70's ENGLISH players like Francis Lee diving to get pens and people sent off. So this is a natural trait by individual's and not by what country they do or do not come from. COYI

  • @BritishRosie-es3zr
    @BritishRosie-es3zr Před 4 měsíci +1

    VAR shouldn't be allowed slow motion, unless it's for something that needs to be measured like offside. Play the video at the speed it happens and then decide

  • @drapsdeno
    @drapsdeno Před 4 měsíci +2

    Bruno Penandes felt a contact, exerturated and dived down to get that penalty

    • @samuelggg3801
      @samuelggg3801 Před 4 měsíci

      So there was contact yes ? Ok thank you 👍🏻

  • @Belligoal.5
    @Belligoal.5 Před 4 měsíci +27

    Bruno is that kind of player that you hate to defend even if you support the club

    • @Matthew-bu7fg
      @Matthew-bu7fg Před 4 měsíci

      I remember when we (Forest) had Anthony Knockaert play for us who was the exact same. We only had him for a year (it may have even been half a year) but it was so frustrating seeing some of the stuff you saw on the pitch and I could never bring myself to defend him.

    • @Fmfcg
      @Fmfcg Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@Matthew-bu7fgat least Bruno can actually perform on the pitch unlike Knockaert who was training for diving in the olympics

    • @craigderby4416
      @craigderby4416 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Hes really not, I love him as a united fan

    • @ethandraper4645
      @ethandraper4645 Před 4 měsíci

      Nonsense. I hate aspects of his game but I love him and I'll defend him all day.

  • @B.T.2278
    @B.T.2278 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Jeff in TalkSport said Bruno’s penalty was a smart play. Simon and Danny say was a dive.. it depends how you take it or maybe which team you support… endless argument!

    • @ajnz2420
      @ajnz2420 Před 4 měsíci

      There is very little comment on the defenders actions in these cases. The amount of dumb defending astonishes me, in each of the cases talked about the defender has left a leg in, it's lazy defending. It's the old saying of "don't give the ref a reason to make a decision".

  • @tonylawlor8833
    @tonylawlor8833 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Diving has always been a part of the game, the players of yesteryear were no different than the players of today.

  • @baronbayne9899
    @baronbayne9899 Před 4 měsíci +3

    If i was a player, itd take a bone crunching tackle to the fibia to take me down. If i fell over it would be because i literally couldn't stay up. Fans would love and respect me as a result (provided i was a good player) Not hard.

  • @dereksmith6126
    @dereksmith6126 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The stop start nature of VAR has led to more player injuries in my opinion. And the flow of the game is being ruined.

  • @harthooft
    @harthooft Před 4 měsíci +2

    The fernandes one was bad but that diogo jota penalty was absolutely disgraceful. can you imagine Ronaldo Nazario going down like that? a whole second after he got slightly touched? Especially with an open goal?? lol! What a fckin shameless diving piece of cheat.

    • @melabshier5812
      @melabshier5812 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Alex Ferguson started this when he claimed any touch on Ronaldo caused him to go down because he was fast. So, contact against a player going past a defender was a penalty. Ever since then the football world, including pundits, adjusted their thinking.

  • @unknownname1941
    @unknownname1941 Před 4 měsíci +16

    Bruno: literally does anything
    talkSPORT: BAD PLAYER! BAD CAPTAIN!

    • @Jamescoff
      @Jamescoff Před 4 měsíci +12

      Yeah because he’s a diving cheat who moans at everything.

    • @user-pk3zw7mb8w
      @user-pk3zw7mb8w Před 4 měsíci +4

      Victim United crying as usual.
      They called out Jota the other day. You'd see that if you lot didn't have tears in your eyes all the time.

    • @jackninetynine5036
      @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Maybe if he stops acting like a knob then he won’t get as much hate

    • @TheTmcabral3
      @TheTmcabral3 Před 4 měsíci

      Facts

    • @unknownname1941
      @unknownname1941 Před 4 měsíci

      Only these "pundits" are moaning

  • @Fmfcg
    @Fmfcg Před 4 měsíci +1

    Videos about Jotas dive in important PL game - 5
    Videos about Bruno's dive in an irrelevant FA cup game against a league 1 side - 7
    Seems to be an agenda here

    • @michaelrimmer338
      @michaelrimmer338 Před 4 měsíci

      Literally mentioned Jota and Fernandes in this video you helmet.

  • @aViableNinja
    @aViableNinja Před 4 měsíci +6

    Jim can't hide how in for the VAR cult he is. It's killed the magic of the game & no matter how much naysaying you do, fans hate it

  • @LordHighness
    @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci

    If a player gets fouled but doesn't go to ground, more often than not, a foul will not be given, even if the player is clearly impeded, obstructed, thrown off balance, etc. This causes players to go down in unnatural ways and so basically encourages simulation. I'm not saying players don't also just dive and overreact in other instances, but if we want to stop the play-acting then referees also need to call a foul as a foul, regardless of whether or not a player goes down.
    To start reversing the existing trend they would probably have to make an announcement about it at the start of a season, letting players know the change of the referees’ previous (unwritten) policy. This would also mean admitting they've been guilty of typically not giving fouls unless a player goes down though, which they're not likely to do.
    So unfortunately, we're stuck with it, and this is only one reason why out of many. So many aspects of football are dysfunctional at the moment.
    The untouchable status of the PGMOL and football officialdom is the main problem. They’re just getting away with doing whatever they want without consequence. I know Simon will disagree because he thinks we should just mindlessly obey authority in all its guises, even when it’s clearly corrupt.

  • @KTopics
    @KTopics Před 4 měsíci +1

    Instant red only logical option. Theyl stop doing it eventually.

  • @user-xe4st2yh7x
    @user-xe4st2yh7x Před 4 měsíci +2

    Do you think we need a new rule? Indirect free kick or something for stuff like the accidental handballs we are seeing now as I think a penalty doesnt fit the crime and its a poor way to decide these big clashes

  • @EnglishForFootball
    @EnglishForFootball Před 4 měsíci

    Been saying this for sometime. In fact, I actually thought VAR would come in and correct this. But how can it be right that a player is nowhere close to a goalscoring position, have a defender brush their leg/arm etc, fall down and then get a great goal-scoring chance from it?

  • @villainofthepiste8275
    @villainofthepiste8275 Před 4 měsíci +9

    DIVERS should be banned for the next game- STAMP IT OUT its cheating

    • @eXpressYourselfClips
      @eXpressYourselfClips Před 4 měsíci +2

      Then wtf is VAR there for? If officials can't tell it's a dive after watching it back but the supporters can football is fucked

    • @mmsmith1525
      @mmsmith1525 Před 4 měsíci +1

      3 game ban the least, send a strong message. Bruno should be banned from the club since he's a repeated offender

    • @villainofthepiste8275
      @villainofthepiste8275 Před 4 měsíci

      @@eXpressYourselfClips The trouble being is officials by and large haven't played the game so don't understand the physics of different tackles. Also any time it is a dive- Ban players

  • @Spygoal
    @Spygoal Před 4 měsíci

    It’s always happens in the game. You cant try to control it but maybe some issues you can.

  • @dirtyfunkymonkey
    @dirtyfunkymonkey Před 4 měsíci +1

    Retrospective bans. It's so simple if it's clear that the player has dived.... please also include when a players clutches their face as if they have had acid thrown in it.

  • @richardlawes2697
    @richardlawes2697 Před 4 měsíci

    The saying used to be. It's a foul in the middle of the pitch. But not enough for a pen. Now we have, it's a pen, but not a foul in the middle of the pitch 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @weet1978able
    @weet1978able Před 4 měsíci

    VAR should only be used for confirming whether or not the ball is over the goal line. That's it.

  • @roymiller2859
    @roymiller2859 Před 4 měsíci +1

    If it hadn't been a Man Utd player, Murphy would have had a totally different view ! If Jordan had ever played football he'd knows if your foot's stood on it can stop you in your tracks ! In this case why would Fernandez go down when he would have had a great chance to score anyway !

  • @SmashPhysical
    @SmashPhysical Před 4 měsíci

    Absolutely correct lads, well said. This is a problem with the players 100%.

  • @bowser515
    @bowser515 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Jota actually posted on his social media laughing about it after diving against Newcastle.. Not only do they not see that they are cheating themselves and the fans of both teams. But they aren't even embarrassed by themselves and that's actually crazy to try and understand. It's ingrained into them at this point and it needs removing like a parasite would. Instant red card for an obvious dive is what is needed. See how funny they think it is then when they're sheepishly walking off on front of their own fans as the opposing fans all laugh in their cheating face.

    • @LordHighness
      @LordHighness Před 4 měsíci +2

      The Newcastle goalkeeper Dupravka spoke after the Liverpool Newcastle match and admitted he fouled Jota and said it was a fair penalty. Did you miss that bit, princess? Doesn't suit your false narrative?

    • @seanb25
      @seanb25 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@LordHighness since when did Martin dubravka become the voice of reason for deciding if somethings a penalty or not? Last I checked he was a goalkeeper, not a referee

    • @ninjashrimpgaming2657
      @ninjashrimpgaming2657 Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@LordHighness dubravka did not say that you lier. Stop misquoting him and making stuff up. Stop supporting cheaters, have some shame fs. How embarsssing

    • @user-qy2yw5ed3d
      @user-qy2yw5ed3d Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@LordHighness
      After the match when asked why he dived Jota said "at LFC we are coached in the dark arts to gain any advantage we can, it`s the Liverpool way"
      Maybe you missed that bit or maybe you didn`t but it`s there if you want to see it

  • @jkmb5758
    @jkmb5758 Před 4 měsíci

    Blatant diving (i.e. where replays show there is no contact at all) should be cited afterwards with a substantial ban or financial penalty. This would soon bring a stop to this unsavoury practice.

  • @RyanReactsHQ
    @RyanReactsHQ Před 4 měsíci

    Change whatever you want, like every season after about ten games the things you were given a card for will stop, things like kicking the ball away etc..

  • @PL-qv5te
    @PL-qv5te Před 4 měsíci

    The only thing Howard Webb has done is stopped managers, highlighting the atrocious refereeing in this country. I wouldn’t say that’s a plus point?

  • @davidhumphreys7931
    @davidhumphreys7931 Před 4 měsíci +1

    You never hear Murphy talking about his Liverpool pals throwing themselves onto the ground to get another penalty in front of his beloved Kop.

  • @milliefrankieshaw2009
    @milliefrankieshaw2009 Před 4 měsíci

    THANK GOD !!! Someone actually turned on !!!
    I said exactly this in a post on the jota dive . Shearer and co losing their minds but yet are happy to call others “clever”
    Pundits constantly call soft decisions !!
    Do they not get that fans AND players listen and watch these shows ? They need to understand they are normalising it , players should be being dragged through the mud and yet a lot of the time they are being praised .
    They don’t believe they are doing anything wrong … they think they are being clever!! So why would they change ?

  • @AlexandraKnightsFC
    @AlexandraKnightsFC Před 4 měsíci +4

    There was contact and he swiped at him. It’s only a problem because it’s United

    • @MrLewbaah
      @MrLewbaah Před 4 měsíci +1

      Rubbish, my nan would’ve stayed on her feet after that contact. Fannydez jumps in the air like he’s been shot, the tackle brushed his toe. It’s embarrassing end of, every camera caught it - it gets worse and worse.
      Remember when players were taught not to let the opposition know you’re hurt. Absolute fannies these days

  • @petert645
    @petert645 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Any diving theatrics from any player within the box...INSTANT Red Card that'll make them think twice....It'll be stamped out in no time!

  • @xoxjazzerzxox
    @xoxjazzerzxox Před 4 měsíci

    I was at Gillingham v Sheffield United Saturday and the first goal they scored there supporters didn’t celebrate for approx 5-10 seconds as if they was waiting for var wasn’t till the team was celebrating at the corner flag there supporters reacted was bizarre

  • @akidnamedkelly
    @akidnamedkelly Před 4 měsíci +1

    why not same energy for Jota? If theres enough contact and the reff buys it of course players are going down, and if it’s unjustified but given that’s more of a reflection of poor officiating.

  • @gerryg2567
    @gerryg2567 Před 4 měsíci

    When you are kicked in the shin the pain is horrendous for about 30 secs and then it eases off pretty quickly so it’s not all playacting.

  • @st1nger7
    @st1nger7 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Decent enough conversation, would love the same energy for Jota’s dive from gremlin boy Danny

  • @garvielloken10th
    @garvielloken10th Před 4 měsíci

    Totally agree with them. Send them off. The only problem i can see then would be the fact it is still subjective. So players might look like they're diving when they really aren't and vice versa.

  • @kofigeorge1156
    @kofigeorge1156 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Jota was a pen, Fernandez was a pen, you made contact don't matter how much contact you make. you made a play for the ball, and you got the player, you guys are clowns..

  • @MrRondonmon
    @MrRondonmon Před 4 měsíci +1

    All games should be looked at by players from the 70s 80s and 90s, a 10 panel team, with a tech setting up all the dives or possible dives/play acting, so they can do it fast. Then when any player gets three dives/over acting, even if he's been "TOUCHED" then he gets a two game ban. Watch diving STOP !! Even if you get fouled and you flop down like you are dead, that should be a card. So, lets look at Pens like this, if getting your damned foot touched in the Pen box is an Auto foul, how in the hell can a game ever be played, how many FOOT TOUCHES happen in the field of play and no foul is called? Probably a 100 a game, lol. Its absurd to call a Pen every time a foot gets touched and a wussie grown man throws himself down lie a cheating coward. PASS OUT CARDS, suspend these cheaters, END FLOPPING.

  • @wayneb251
    @wayneb251 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Fernandez encapsulates everything that's wrong with the today's game and its lightweight players!

  • @jamesgibson3598
    @jamesgibson3598 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I absolutely don't cheer when my team score until they kick off again it's sad but true...

  • @wujmt5154
    @wujmt5154 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Lets not forget these player are told to go down.

  • @anthonyuccello8450
    @anthonyuccello8450 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Bruno is a cheater

  • @zulfakhalif4379
    @zulfakhalif4379 Před 4 měsíci

    Now they are blaming foreign players😂😂

  • @stanwpo9115
    @stanwpo9115 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Penalties are so cheap these days, it's a joke! The slightest contact and players go down.....that's diving! Referees should wave play on and yellow card players for this nonsense!

  • @rossco3603
    @rossco3603 Před 4 měsíci

    How often does a pundit in any given panel say "he was naive not to go down there"...

  • @danwilkinson9001
    @danwilkinson9001 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Players would rather get a penalty or a free kick than score nowadays, it’s like they get a sense of achievement from fooling the ref

  • @archi3967
    @archi3967 Před 4 měsíci

    Bar doesn’t need to move it just needs to be properly enforced. That also means giving penalties and and fouls when players try to fight through contact.

  • @chrispender2701
    @chrispender2701 Před 4 měsíci

    Players and managers need to stop it

  • @abigailirvine3414
    @abigailirvine3414 Před 4 měsíci

    We should still we a replay on the big screen so we know what is going on like rugby fans get to see

  • @WaveForceful
    @WaveForceful Před 4 měsíci

    The fans are part of the issue too. If your player goes down then it’s an uproar, if the opposition player goes down they ignore it.

  • @antoniocornwall5739
    @antoniocornwall5739 Před 4 měsíci

    Often heard commentators saying if he went down that would be a penalty 🤔 🤷 so its totally crazy

  • @ROCKYBLUEDOGS
    @ROCKYBLUEDOGS Před 4 měsíci

    Get rid of penalties and just award a direct free kick wherever the offence occured or not depending on the ref.

  • @KittySofttpaws
    @KittySofttpaws Před 4 měsíci +1

    But English players like Kane, Sterling, Rashford and Saka can dive all they like due to English bias.

  • @skyliner6785
    @skyliner6785 Před 4 měsíci

    Diving is very easy to see if you have played for over 40 years which I have does not have to be at the top level just a decent level .putting your legs into a defender is rife now and other variaties of dives .

  • @nonamenoface9491
    @nonamenoface9491 Před 4 měsíci

    Absolutely spot on. Bruno Fernandes is the biggest offender of all this
    Constantly diving, feeling the slightest bit of contact screaming like he's been shot and rolling about the floor then he's up 10 seconds later. Constantly yapping at referees trying to influence them. Absolute disgrace of a player.

    • @beverleyfryer3455
      @beverleyfryer3455 Před 4 měsíci

      If a player goes down writhing in agony and 30 seconds later they are up and running, they should be sent off

  • @riiseboy123
    @riiseboy123 Před 4 měsíci

    See the moment they say about reviewing Howard Webb they really think about their answer… they can’t be honest about these subjects

  • @dennispepperack2973
    @dennispepperack2973 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Simon seems to hold Danny in higher esteem than Martin... ;-)

    • @si_w8201
      @si_w8201 Před 4 měsíci

      Not hard to see why, Danny appears quite intelligent and doesn't make stupid points...

  • @pjduff7577
    @pjduff7577 Před 4 měsíci

    VAR the rolling around and screaming and it becoming a virtually a non contact sport has made me lose a lot of love for football

  • @WillieGreig-yq6gj
    @WillieGreig-yq6gj Před 4 měsíci +1

    Every single player knows that if they brush against the oppositions foot that the incompetent clowns that run Var are gonna take 5 mins slowing it down so it looks like he nearly dismembered their opponents leg. Take Var away from the game. Or Talksport might as well change its name to TalkVar

  • @cameronwilson1706
    @cameronwilson1706 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Nonsense, English players does it as well

  • @kramzaid9601
    @kramzaid9601 Před 4 měsíci

    i thought diving was an offence and bookable. again the question is, whats the point of VAR if they cant catch stupidness like that.

  • @tyroneraman6395
    @tyroneraman6395 Před 4 měsíci

    Liverpool have received the fair play award many times since Klopp has come in.Nobody notices though. The man doesn't even like running down the clock.

  • @chd1694
    @chd1694 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Its better for ratings if united go through than wigan. PL is fixed.

  • @DanTheMan-yx9vw
    @DanTheMan-yx9vw Před 4 měsíci +1

    How is this different to when Rodri flopped down with minimal contact against united? 🤷 Oh wait, that was City, so that's ok 👌

  • @markjones8805
    @markjones8805 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Let's get this RIGHT. ALL footballers are cheats, they all throw themselves to the floor. As are these HYPERCRITICAL ex players and commentators who always say "Well, there was contact, he had a right to go down" NO, NO IT'S CHEATING !

  • @gerryg2567
    @gerryg2567 Před 4 měsíci

    Thing is when you are moving at speed a slight touch will bowl you over, it’s so difficult to prove diving or indeed how much pain a player is in, have you ever been kicked in the shin. BTW on celebration of goals, would you prefer to celebrate a goal that was not a goal. Shirt pulling is my bugbear, why is that not a foul.

  • @jackninetynine5036
    @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Diving against league one Wigan, Bruno has no shame at all. Why do refs keep falling for it when it’s so well known what he’s like? Start banning players for blatant cheating

    • @Hurley76
      @Hurley76 Před 4 měsíci

      It's really simple. He was fouled. Would the foul realistically make him fall to the ground? No chance. But if he doesn't go down he doesn't get the foul.

    • @jackninetynine5036
      @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Hurley76 you’ve just disproven your own point. It’s not enough to go down. The issue is that players are rewarded for this, hence why I questioned why refs contribute to buy his nonsense when everyone knows he’s consistently cheating

    • @eiler1987
      @eiler1987 Před 4 měsíci

      @@jackninetynine5036 this guy doesn’t know the rules at all. No contact is needed for a foul.
      I can take a swing at you and miss and still be sent of for violent conduct. If you slide on late and I have to jump over you and if I slip trying to avoid you, it can be by the letter if the law deemed as impeding me with out either of us touching.
      So the “not enough to go down” really only applies on an actual challenge with the ball, not a late challenge where you weren’t close to the ball

  • @kofigeorge1156
    @kofigeorge1156 Před 4 měsíci

    I don't get this penalty argument, you feel contact; you go down, you dive you get a card, very simple. It's up to that player to stay on their foot if they feel contact. because they do the same thing outside the box too.

  • @Marcus-oy6up
    @Marcus-oy6up Před 4 měsíci +1

    Let's just blame the foreigners 😂

    • @kol9382
      @kol9382 Před 4 měsíci

      Exactly. Easy to pick on the foreign players. Where's the same heat when Rashford, Kane & Sterling are at it .... Hypocrites

  • @ConnorWilkins
    @ConnorWilkins Před 4 měsíci

    Didn't they go through the replays and ban Niasse from everton for diving?

  • @tonylawlor8833
    @tonylawlor8833 Před 4 měsíci

    Back in the 70’s the great Scottish player Bobby Collins who played for the great Leeds team of the day used to say, to win a game of football you have got to to able to “Kill your Granny and Grandad” to win the game. Now we all know what that means, players need to do anything to win that game of football so none of this is new.

  • @philbourne548
    @philbourne548 Před 4 měsíci

    Jordan just doesn’t get it. Getting more decisions right than wrong is no justification for VAR. If you’re going to routinely... stop matches for substantial periods, re arbitrate countless vital on field decisions, tamper negatively with fundamental experience of fan celebrations, and essentially turn the game on its head.... you have to deliver an extremely high degree of accuracy eg. 95 %. +
    Jordan’s other contention - that technological interventions can’t bring anything close to 100% accuracy - is nonsense (Thousands of airplanes would be falling out the sky everyday if that were true - ask any air traffic controller how their technology enhances human judgement ) VAR should - and probably could - deliver close to perfect outcomes, but it has proved utterly incapable of doing so, because of human organisational and executional negligence.

  • @RobertJones-ku4fg
    @RobertJones-ku4fg Před 4 měsíci

    Everton havent had a player sent off against em in 2 years and theres been plenty of 2nd yellows that never were

  • @fredsflintstone3702
    @fredsflintstone3702 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Where was this energy when Rodri dived in the Manchester Derby?

    • @jackninetynine5036
      @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Does Rodri cheat week in week out?

    • @larnx1692
      @larnx1692 Před 4 měsíci

      @@jackninetynine5036lol yes and so does his club evidently

    • @jackninetynine5036
      @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@larnx1692 I don’t see him play acting or whinging anywhere near as much as Bruno. There’s a reason only united fans can stand him

    • @larnx1692
      @larnx1692 Před 4 měsíci

      @@jackninetynine5036 well yea it would be feat if someone matched Bruno’s antics but doesn’t mean rodri isn’t a shithouse himself

    • @jackninetynine5036
      @jackninetynine5036 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@larnx1692 not really relevant it’s a video talking about Bruno diving, dunno why you’re bringing up rodri 😂

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    @lfcspectre4335 Před 4 měsíci +5

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      @LordMarps Před 4 měsíci

      All day long and twice on Sunday 👌🏻

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      @sammybeck4855 Před 4 měsíci +1

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      @lfcspectre4335 Před 4 měsíci +1

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  • @tyroneraman6395
    @tyroneraman6395 Před 4 měsíci

    Howard Webb is overseeing the worst refereeing I've seen in 34 yrs of watching the Prem! Undoubtedly! Lets not deny it coz he comes across as a decent bloke who is trying his best.