Graeme Souness & Simon Jordan DISAGREE Over If Wayne Rooney Has Been UNLUCKY In Management 👀

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  • TalkSPORT's Graeme Souness and Simon Jordan discuss Birmingham City's appointment of Tony Mowbray and debate if Wayne Rooney has been unlucky in management.
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Komentáře • 141

  • @graememarsh
    @graememarsh Před 4 měsíci +24

    I think Rooney should give up his dreams of being a manager for now, become someone’s number 2 and gain experience that way.

    • @matthewmedley8532
      @matthewmedley8532 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Agree. He will benefit from that experience I’m sure.

    • @StephenShanahan-hi5uj
      @StephenShanahan-hi5uj Před 4 měsíci +1

      I agree.
      He might learn some new tactics and playing styles being under the guidance of another Manager.
      I think that Lampard and Gerrard might want to think about doing something similar.

  • @andybell4014
    @andybell4014 Před 4 měsíci +15

    Credit to Simon for calling out the situation for what it was about the people (person) around Wagner being a problem (Cook)

  • @b3564
    @b3564 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Hiring Rooney was a shocker, even as a VILLA fan I was thinking WTF!

  • @billdoor3140
    @billdoor3140 Před 4 měsíci +22

    Lets get something straight....Rooney was bought in to get Derby promoted NOT survival relegation. In his firsf season with NO points Deducted he survived relegation by ONE point. Only cos two teams were Deducted points. In his 2nd season they were relegated. Yes they had a points deduction but even without that they'd have finished near relegation. He was USELESS at Derby too..

    • @mcharrisment4765
      @mcharrisment4765 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Good points made 👏👍
      I am no fan of him as a manager and concur with your facts

  • @slackjoelyokel88
    @slackjoelyokel88 Před 4 měsíci +51

    he's not unlucky, he's unintelligible.

  • @paulcook4921
    @paulcook4921 Před 4 měsíci +17

    Good appointment from a Sunderland fan, he will bring stability to the club and play to the teams strengths. I'm sure you will quickly climb the table

    • @paulcook4921
      @paulcook4921 Před 4 měsíci

      @user-tn8uu2cu8g will there be a buffet?

  • @2005Kam
    @2005Kam Před 4 měsíci +16

    So that's the excuse people are gonna start making, 'Rooney has been unlucky', the bottom line is he has around a 25% win rate as a manager and Birmingham were a contender for promotion before Rooney took over and now they are a candidate for relegation. He's not unlucky he is not good enough.

  • @JustMyFish
    @JustMyFish Před 4 měsíci +14

    Mowbray is a good choice he will get the job done there Will be no slouching under him.

  • @gassyinc6406
    @gassyinc6406 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Can guarantee if it was a foreign manager in Rooney's shoes, Souness wouldn't be defending him.

  • @messi8921
    @messi8921 Před 4 měsíci +4

    As a Birmingham fan I think Simon was s spot on!

  • @kevinbeck6785
    @kevinbeck6785 Před 4 měsíci +8

    Souness he was unlucky bloody hell, souness wanted lampard at Rangers what a pundit 🤣🤣

  • @shspurs1342
    @shspurs1342 Před 4 měsíci +55

    Since Graham said Scotland should let Ukraine win. I have not been able to take anything he says as serious.

    • @PorkChopExpress86
      @PorkChopExpress86 Před 4 měsíci +5

      But they're at "war" 🤥

    • @adam.677
      @adam.677 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Did he actually say that? Unbelievable

    • @rwm4738
      @rwm4738 Před 4 měsíci

      @@PorkChopExpress86 War/Money Laundering Operation.

    • @shspurs1342
      @shspurs1342 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@adam.677 yes he did. It was when they were saying in the so-called mainstream media. Should Ukraine get automatic qualification.

    • @redplague
      @redplague Před 4 měsíci +3

      He never said that. He said that he would support them in the match and he would like them to qualify and win the Word Cup.

  • @jonhayes7322
    @jonhayes7322 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Souness backtracking on his “have the right people around you” with the old “lucky” comment - woosy

  • @lfcspectre4335
    @lfcspectre4335 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Simon & Graeme = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts

  • @backupdancer3720
    @backupdancer3720 Před 4 měsíci +21

    Wasn't Rooney Derby manager when he was photographed battered in a hotel room with random young women?
    We know nothing happened because the women were under 60, but it's indicative of how unprofessional he his... As a player, he was equally unprofessional but blessed with the ability to play football at a high level.

    • @Philpot1992
      @Philpot1992 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Those women were pranking him when he was asleep lol. He's fucked up many times but not that time.

    • @kieronfowler2536
      @kieronfowler2536 Před 4 měsíci +1

      got farted on in a hotel room😂

    • @amajeet
      @amajeet Před 4 měsíci +2

      😂 nothing happened cos women were under 60!! Lmao!!! 😂😂😂

  • @sratus
    @sratus Před 4 měsíci +17

    I was really hoping Souness had packed the punditry game in for good but here we are.

    • @shspurs1342
      @shspurs1342 Před 4 měsíci

      He actually wants his own country to lose.

    • @alexboardman4306
      @alexboardman4306 Před 4 měsíci +2

      He packed it in last year when Liverpool were rubbish

    • @mcharrisment4765
      @mcharrisment4765 Před 4 měsíci

      😂
      He and Roy were 1 and 2 for Sky Sports.
      You both make good factual points though 👏👍

  • @sigurdurmarolafsson4183
    @sigurdurmarolafsson4183 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is probably the biggest fiasco in club football this season!!!
    They are now paying 3 managers!!!😂😂

  • @jimpackard8059
    @jimpackard8059 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Simon… it is not XYZeee. This is UK and it is Zed

  • @lesterpyatt793
    @lesterpyatt793 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Cook a big problem with all this

  • @moloperams
    @moloperams Před 4 měsíci +4

    Simon vs Souness is always a great fixture 😂😂

  • @jonaskhan8498
    @jonaskhan8498 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Sol Campbell loving this 😂

  • @craig3420
    @craig3420 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Argued with loads of Birmingham fans that Rooney is a clown as a manager...Tony isn't...decent manager...I will bet they are near the play offs by the end of the season.. Rooney would have relegated them

  • @MH-vp7lf
    @MH-vp7lf Před 4 měsíci +14

    Rooney and Lampard have been exposed as awful managers in England.
    But my word Slippy G is even worse in Saudi getting pumped most games... yet no word on him.

    • @87Michael
      @87Michael Před 4 měsíci

      Outta sight, outta mind.

    • @robertburke2246
      @robertburke2246 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Because no one gives a f about the Saudi League.

  • @StephenCarrIsBald
    @StephenCarrIsBald Před 4 měsíci +18

    I met Simon Jordan in 2002 at Selhurst park and my goodness his breath stunk like human poo!

    • @backupdancer3720
      @backupdancer3720 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @StephenCarrIsBald You were dreaming and asleep next to your missus...

    • @bigbernie7260
      @bigbernie7260 Před 4 měsíci +5

      That might explain why Camp Jordan spouts a lot of verbal diarrhoea.

  • @leeds85
    @leeds85 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Simon is spot on here, what's the point of Gary Cook putting Rooney forward as a manager. You might as well as gone and asked the tea lady for advice and let her suggest Rooney.

  • @gazof-the-north5708
    @gazof-the-north5708 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Newcastle fan here. Alan Shearer had the sense to go back on the Telly. Great players make shite managers.

  • @ih4447
    @ih4447 Před 4 měsíci +31

    I think Rooney isnt good enough to be a manager however i find it funny that souness makes excuses for gerrard yet criticises rooney, another example of the clown being bitter

    • @masilomoshesh1475
      @masilomoshesh1475 Před 4 měsíci

      He was set up to fail at Birmingham. He along with Lampard needs to be an assistant for a few years and learn a thing or two from the elites.

    • @AdamH93
      @AdamH93 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Cause Gerrard is ex Liverpool and Rooney was ex Man United.

    • @Zxcvbueisn444
      @Zxcvbueisn444 Před 4 měsíci

      Gerrard now is a proven huge failure. What more evidence do people need?

  • @jonathanhall7815
    @jonathanhall7815 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, great England international players have all fallen short in the management sphere. Keegan and Hoddle did OK and also Sir Bobby Robson was an established international player. (Maybe Southgate isn't so bad after all!). The Rooney appointment at Birmingham was doomed from the start and I am not surprised at the outcome, the result of a total lack of common sense.

  • @whitebread171
    @whitebread171 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Is the issue with Rooney, lampard and Gerrard where they were not first team coaches before they got into mgmt. seems they lack experience

  • @jameshogg476
    @jameshogg476 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Can someone tell Simon it’s pronounced “Zed” not “Zee”

  • @Luke_alien420
    @Luke_alien420 Před 4 měsíci +2

    The fans didn’t want Rooney
    The players didn’t want Rooney
    He didn’t respect anyone, he didn’t turn up for training. Never took blame and always the players fault. With a win rate of 13% no club will want him. Thank f**k he didn’t get the transfer window. Worst manager ever.
    Tony Mowbray blue and while army 💪🏻💙💪🏻

  • @tommcmanamon8327
    @tommcmanamon8327 Před 4 měsíci

    A high profile player becoming a manager, is always a pressure situation. The only successful player turned manager is Pep. The only other player was Daglish. Ferguson, Klopp and Mourinho were bang average palyers.

  • @dontbewoke
    @dontbewoke Před 4 měsíci +3

    5:35 Englishman says "X Y Zee" smh

    • @sonnypembleton6706
      @sonnypembleton6706 Před 4 měsíci +2

      He did live in America tbf but I’ve noticed how he pronounces “genuine” and I get what you mean

  • @chrissayeranderson5710
    @chrissayeranderson5710 Před 3 měsíci

    Completely off topic … but not really … Mowbrey was at BRFC and Eustace is now. Souness revitalised Blackburn , brought them back up from championship. Made good players great players , brought through great youth players and more importantly, brought in Tugay and Friedel and Mark Hughes rovers legends.

  • @troubledtimes3941
    @troubledtimes3941 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Rooney wanted a team who can't pass to play a passing game. That is still on him. But they can't play a passing game.

  • @elchoppo1160
    @elchoppo1160 Před 4 měsíci +8

    If by unlucky you mean thick as mince, then Rooney must be one of the unluckiest managers ever !

  • @whataboutusshipman7760
    @whataboutusshipman7760 Před 4 měsíci

    Would have helped if he didnt turn up to training late or not at all citing 'Got other business to attend to' and giving the squad 8 days off with only personal fitness plans during the international break when it was painfully obvious training pitch time was needed as his 2 part time coaches Cole and O'Shea was'nt there .

  • @robdolman2256
    @robdolman2256 Před 4 měsíci +12

    Rooney is the luckiest manager in the world to get given the roles he has with no managerial pedigree in the first place. People dedicate their lives to being a manager and will never enter the conversation for the jobs he was handed

    • @philwill0123
      @philwill0123 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Strange how you can point that out, but sol Campbell can't. When people like Simon Jordan discuss sol Campbells comments, they pretend it's a meritocracy and level playing field. Then they point to Rooney, lampard and Gerrard and happily declare they got job on name reputation rather than ability.

    • @Scoobay
      @Scoobay Před 4 měsíci +1

      Just got paid millions for a couple months work, probably the plan all along tbh

    • @BennyHolden-ls7sj
      @BennyHolden-ls7sj Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@philwill0123 Jobs for the boys? sounds like parliament!

  • @JustMyFish
    @JustMyFish Před 4 měsíci +1

    Simon, Jordan could find a native in winning the lottery.

  • @Ellis_B
    @Ellis_B Před 4 měsíci +1

    From Eustice to Useless

  • @philipfurlong403
    @philipfurlong403 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Here's the thing about common sense....its not that common

  • @KarLetroN
    @KarLetroN Před 4 měsíci +1

    Do people not see what I see when we watch Rooney speak to the press? He is borderline incapable of completing a sentence without sounding uninspiring, flat, dishonest, fake. He must have one hell of an agent that's for sure.

  • @casualfocus1371
    @casualfocus1371 Před 4 měsíci +1

    He's been lucky you mean he gets jobs because his name ia wayne rooney hahah😂

  • @johnnycotton3217
    @johnnycotton3217 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I would argue that Mowbary is a bigger name than Rooney

  • @markfarnon6742
    @markfarnon6742 Před 4 měsíci

    Souness nailed it when he said there's no common sense in football. Social media has a large part to play in that - when mob rule decides who can or can't be a manager/ a player/ an owner..... it's the slippery slope.

  • @peterreid9769
    @peterreid9769 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Rooney's not a manager. That's all you need to know.

  • @weet1978able
    @weet1978able Před 4 měsíci

    "You're not going to have any dramas at Birmingham." Hold our beer Simon...

  • @averageaimer8533
    @averageaimer8533 Před 4 měsíci +1

    DISAGREE. UNLUCKY.

  • @Daisy-yq1gi
    @Daisy-yq1gi Před 4 měsíci +3

    Rooney, Lampard...useless. Sadly, we appear to believe that good players make good managers. They don't. Hence the success of European coaches. The UK could and should do better...as usual...

    • @tevildo45
      @tevildo45 Před 4 měsíci +1

      England is the poor man of Europe when it comes to managers.

    • @chriswilkinson7636
      @chriswilkinson7636 Před 4 měsíci

      The trouble is that nobody will admit that people like Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard are not particularly good managers, so they keep getting jobs while less well known managers get overlooked.

    • @cypherpleb
      @cypherpleb Před 4 měsíci

      As is the case with the national team, the British media play a HUGE part in ensuring England teams, managers don't reach the pinnacle.
      Client journalism, apologies/spin/ PR for subpar talent are not compatible with setting the standard at the ELITE level.
      Source: Biased Press coverage (deflection/ignoring/diminishing/hypocritical analysis) of: Southgate, Potter, Howe, Rashford, Maguire for a start.
      No elite club would have any of them, but would have sacked or sold the four with jobs long ago.

  • @mark.lawrence
    @mark.lawrence Před 4 měsíci +1

    wayne rooney manager?
    perleese.

  • @redmed10
    @redmed10 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Most people in charge of football clubs don't have a clue about what is needed in a manager. A lot of it is down to luck. Its difficult to get 25 individuals to work together in a team. Thing is most great managers seem to be big thinkers about football and surround themselves with good advisers.

  • @chrissayeranderson5710
    @chrissayeranderson5710 Před 3 měsíci

    His time at Derby has been revised hasn’t it.

  • @John-tz2tx
    @John-tz2tx Před 4 měsíci +1

    Just not manager material

  • @PhantomOverlordX2
    @PhantomOverlordX2 Před 4 měsíci

    He hasn't been unlucky. He's made the stupid choices himself. He could've stayed at Derby, and pushed on in League 1, but he didn't, instead went off to America for a pay day. Only to come back to England with Blues, and try to completely changed what was working at the club. That's not being unlucky, that's ignoring common sense.

  • @paulmorgan6269
    @paulmorgan6269 Před 4 měsíci

    Man U need Wayne. He could lead a Mid-table team.

  • @thewatcher4718
    @thewatcher4718 Před 4 měsíci

    Meanwhile gerrard is flying ,NOT .

  • @seanbonella
    @seanbonella Před 4 měsíci

    the grannis will not be happy hahahahahah

  • @deppresedonion6320
    @deppresedonion6320 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Souness is a painfull listen .

    • @cypherpleb
      @cypherpleb Před 4 měsíci

      Compared to Rooney though, he is Richard Burton.

  • @CTRLALTNUKE
    @CTRLALTNUKE Před 4 měsíci

    Are we still talking about Rooney?

  • @nathanmartin4607
    @nathanmartin4607 Před 4 měsíci

    Did he even have a transfer window to buy his own players?

    • @Matty-kelly
      @Matty-kelly Před 4 měsíci

      No

    • @DmReddd24
      @DmReddd24 Před 4 měsíci

      He did absolutely nothing to show that he was the man to oversee a transfer window. It was really that bad. Destroyed the players confidence, baffling tactics, poor in game decisions, turned us into the worst team in the game over 15 games. Not the man to take us forwards whatever players he had

  • @Zulubcfc
    @Zulubcfc Před 4 měsíci +1

    KRO ZW we are coming back where we belong.

  • @tevildo45
    @tevildo45 Před 4 měsíci +3

    England doesn’t produce great managers. I’m sorry but an Englishman has never won the premier league. Lads from Chile have come over and won it ffs. 4 Italians, Spanish lads, Portuguese, Germans, Scottish but no english.

    • @redmed10
      @redmed10 Před 4 měsíci

      Chile?

    • @tevildo45
      @tevildo45 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Manuel Pellegrini

    • @J_B17
      @J_B17 Před 4 měsíci

      That’s quite amazing actually.

    • @chriswilkinson7636
      @chriswilkinson7636 Před 4 měsíci

      The question is why has no English manager ever won the Premier League? What is it about English managers that prevents them from getting jobs with Champions League level clubs? Yes I know about Eddie Howe before anyone picks me up on that, but he is an exception.

    • @redmed10
      @redmed10 Před 4 měsíci

      @@tevildo45 oh yeah forgot he actually won premier league with them. Seems such a long time ago.

  • @pauludall7162
    @pauludall7162 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Rooney is a Dunce

  • @silvanusayres
    @silvanusayres Před 4 měsíci

    Give Rooney national league job start from the bottom

  • @eddiexxxx
    @eddiexxxx Před 4 měsíci

    Sou looks very tired.

  • @wolfman9132
    @wolfman9132 Před 4 měsíci

    Gary Crook 💰

  • @hudson7354
    @hudson7354 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Rooney was a pathetic manager so glad the muppet is out of our club.

  • @unknownname1941
    @unknownname1941 Před 4 měsíci

    Souness is NOT a pundit

  • @seanbonella
    @seanbonella Před 4 měsíci +1

    rooney wont be and never will be a good manager.....period.
    he lacks everything

  • @BennyHolden-ls7sj
    @BennyHolden-ls7sj Před 4 měsíci

    Rooney was never a world class footballer, just a 'good footballer' and a poor manager, he never did any good at international level, (yes I know I going to take a lot of flak - lots of goals against teams like Monaco don't cut it!), when he was captain of England he was passive as they came on the field as off it. There's a wider problem at work in British football, and the question should be why do we generally as a country do not produce world class managers, never mind very good English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh managers since Ferguson (and why Ferguson never managed Scotland next logical step?), my reasoning is that football coaching and training at present in the UK is still a significant part of the problem, as well as its exclusivity to the exclusion of everyone who is outside of it, (the cost is prohibitive alone for mere mortals) but I think its more fundamental than that, is that we have a very old fashioned view of ourselves that somehow the way we play here is the best or the purest form of football when in actual fact we have lost the baton of innovation well after the 1970's. All the teams who have won the world cup in the last 40 years are basically the same nations, and we are not one of them, food for thought. The root and branch changes that were supposed to have occurred when the so called golden generation failed, have still not happened in my view, the real reason is that most of our players are simply not good enough as a result of poor training, and even though they are not good enough there is not enough competition from below to push those players, hence stagnation and why they are picked. It's no accident that the premier league is full of other nations footballers! Most indigenous footballers are only played to make up the numbers, it's a simple but challenging truth to most people. So what should be done about it...? Its Like everything is life you have to start being honest about ourselves and our deficiencies and when that light bulb moment happens then we might see some concrete changes still holding my breath I am afraid!

    • @BennyHolden-ls7sj
      @BennyHolden-ls7sj Před 4 měsíci

      @user-tn8uu2cu8g please post about your religion on the appropriate platform!

  • @SamSulek_Life
    @SamSulek_Life Před 4 měsíci +3

    The young English ex-players are mostly poor managers.....most have failed... Lampard Rooney Gerrard...the young Spain ex-players are better managers

  • @honestpolitician6366
    @honestpolitician6366 Před 4 měsíci

    Rooney is not a big name in management

  • @raimesey
    @raimesey Před 4 měsíci +1

    Souness is a terrible pundit. He come out with the odd comment worth listening to but the majority of what he says is dross!

  • @jonhayes7322
    @jonhayes7322 Před 4 měsíci

    Mowbray…. Crikey…. Borrrrrinnnnnggggggg

  • @carlgill1386
    @carlgill1386 Před 4 měsíci

    Wayne isnt unlucky blues were 6th

  • @jamseybrick9373
    @jamseybrick9373 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Rooney cant even speak properly how can he manage a team.

  • @KhanivoreQniba
    @KhanivoreQniba Před 4 měsíci

    No, he’s been rubbish.

  • @dontbewoke
    @dontbewoke Před 4 měsíci +5

    2:40 OMG bore off with the "world class player" nonsense...firstly what does that even mean? If it means he'd have got in a World XI in his pomp then no I'm sorry , Rooney at no point , would have.

    • @Philpot1992
      @Philpot1992 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Got to be joking. At no point? 😂

    • @TroyC-rf7zq
      @TroyC-rf7zq Před 4 měsíci

      In 2004 Rooney was the best player in the world. He was world class with out a doubt. He did whatever was required for the team and produced. Not many with that talent would take a back seat for others to shine. As a manager he's probably great for a pint and chat but that's about it...

    • @Philpot1992
      @Philpot1992 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@TroyC-rf7zq yeah and also he was still one of these best for 5 or 6 years after that as well. He was picked to play positions for United and England ahead of players that actually played in those positions naturally lol.

    • @rickoneillable
      @rickoneillable Před 4 měsíci

      I’m sorry but yes he would have

    • @hudson7354
      @hudson7354 Před 4 měsíci

      @@TroyC-rf7zq😂😂😂😂😂😂😂best in the arrogant English minds