Southgate is a MEDIOCRE Manager and Will NEVER get a Top Premier League job, Insists Simon Jordan! 😩
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- Has Gareth Southgate been a success? talkSPORT's Jim White and Simon Jordan have their say!
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Mediocre is very kind. He's the English Solskjaer. Terrible coach, wasting some incredible talent. Picking Rashford over Sterling and Henderson over Ward-Prowse for this round of fixtures should be a sackable offence on its own.
Spot on.
Rashford is better than Sterling though. He has better ability he is just out of form. Sterling is just a runner at least Rashford can shoot and run
@@virtualcity721If he is out of form, why is it in the England squad? Rashford has 1 goal this season and he doesn’t pass. What does he bring?
@virtualcity721 Sterling is just a runner .... bold and brave analysis there. He's one of England's best players of the last decade. Rashford has had 2 good seasons in his entire career.
Southgate:
Loyalty>in-form.
Maguire, Phillips, Henderson over players like Tomori, JWP etc..
Everyone knows Southgate isn't anywhere near an elite manager.
The only people I ever hear advancing arguments to suggest he is - or is even close - are those that work in the legacy media.
And the players he constantly picks who are older than him.
@@KidSaturdays well they aren’t looool
well, he got England into the the euro's final just to get bottled by three players in penalties and cant blame him on the worldcup for kane bottling again with penalty. He s a manager not a god innit?
@@bravochamp9495 Who said he was a "God"?
I simply said he's not an elite manager, and he quite clearly isn't.
He's only kept his job entirely for that reason. Because he's a willing shill for external agendas.
Success is winning. That Euros was humiliating. A home tournament with the whole country behind you, almost zero opposition fans, an easy run to the Final (Germany have been garbage for 10 years), a goal in the first 2 mins against Italy in the Final... and somehow they walked away with nothing. Moments like that tell you everything you need to know. Put Mourinho or Ancelotti in that Final and England win their first title in 60 years.
100% correct, switch Mancini and Southgate that day and England win the final, simple as that.
Totally agree
To get fair you could if put any manager in the top 10 if the PL and they would of won the Euro's, especially in thd final..
The game against Italy was their for the taking but Gareth has such a negative mindset he allowed the Italians back in the game
moranic point. Moranic. Southgate has given us more relative success than anyone for 55 years!
@@LASHMARSuccess is becoming 4th at WC 2018, finalists Euro 2020, QF at WC 2022???
WINNING is what I call success.
Gareth is a 'yes' man for the F.A
Extremely under qualified for the job
If he was sacked today I can only imagine clubs like Sheffield Wednesday or Birmingham would be interested in him.
Southgate took England to semis in '18 WC and final of Euro'20. He should have been playing attacking football, but Italy were very lucky with their equaliser. Pressure got to the players during penalty shootout.
@@nigelxavier883 With the England squad(s) he's had & with no other dominant International teams atm. That's the least he should of been doing.
@@matthewjamison When he took over, England had sacked Allardyce and were average with Roy Hodgson before that. He improved the team. I didn't watch England v France, but you need luck also.
@@nigelxavier883 His in game management or squad selection hasn't improved from day 1. And he's going into his 4th tournament. Would you want him at your club? I certainly wouldn't want him anywhere near Liverpool
It’s so frustrating that we’re an elite manager away from winning something. And the sad thing is they’ll replace him with another bang average yes man
With a woke political opinion (even though politics should never happen in sport).
with the players we have, we don't even need an elite manager to win something
Agree….. wouldn’t be surprised if he is replaced by Lampard
@kevincarter2020 we need a manager who makes the hard decisions in the big games, France have that with DeChamps, Italy have that with Mancini, Spain had that with Enrique.
About time someone had this conversation. When he leaves England he will not manage in the Premier league
He will but not with a proper Premier League club, it will be a Burnley or a Luton, a team that doesn’t belong there and scraps down the bottom.
I would imagine he could manage an ex club in the premier League , Villa or Boro if they end up promoted at any point.
@@paulallen7366that’s a joke right?
@@paulallen7366 Lol he got Boro relegated years ago.
@@FannyShmellar yeah he did , Lampard also got a second bite at Chelsea. Sometimes reputation gets you jobs you may not deserve.
In Spain, where I live, the perception of Spanish football fans and the media here is that the current England team is a decent team with some very good players who could win something, but not with Southgate. The general perception is that the team is good enough but the manager isn't.
This is my belief.
As a fellow brit living in Spain I can confirm this!!!
As a Brit living in mexico, they are baffled we haven’t won anything in 60 odd years. And most had us favourites last year, they don’t understand we have a shitshow of a manager
As a Brit living in New Guinea, my local tribe think it's a travesty that England haven't won a trophy with their current squad. They have actually invented a new daily ritual in which they pray to their various weather gods to banish Southgate from his managerial position.
In other words the Spanish ain't stupid
Such a great Group of players with a bum Manager unfortunately. Southgate should have been sacked after 2022 wc
He's not even mediocre. He's far below even that level.
His biggest success is getting away with it for so long and still being in a job.
Getting away with what?
Exactly, getting away with what? He's got us to a semi and a final and the ref against France in WC was criminal and Kane missed a penalty (Southgate has no control on that). Also Steve Holland has vasts experience under all the big names he coached under at Chelsea.
@@bigkuriboh3814 being a failure and costing england silverware
@@tomdonler2363 Your mum smoked through her pregnancy with you didnt she? a semi and a final, WE LOST YOU DINLOW
@@tomdonler2363Getting away with insanely lucky draws, Southgate hasn't beaten any decent nation and when he does come up against a strong squad, his team goes ahead and he tried to defend a 1-0 lead like some kind of relegation team, ultimately we end up losing the game. Southgate is well and truly a fraud.
In fairness to Southgate he's made this England squad the virtual signalling world champions. When it comes to knee bending, arm band wearing, the choice of colour of boot laces etc, we are in a class of our own
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I'd be hard-pressed to think of the last time I watched an England game, and it didn't feel like I'd wasted my time.
I loved listening to Simon Jordan today, absolutely brilliant.
Would the French FA consider Southgate's record as a success? Not bloody likely.
The job of an international coach/ manager is to bring together the country's best talent based on current form and win the 2 big tournaments on offer. He's failed on 3 occasions, and he'll fail next summer as he continues to pick under-performing players and is disregarding players that are playing great games week in week out for their clubs.
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so basically 99% of international managers are failures? lmao
The fact is, England don't produce good managers. I don't think there is an appetite for anyone to manage England. Eddie Howe ain't gonna win anything with England.
Southcake 😂
Took over Boro, we had just been in Eufa cup final and finished 7th in the premier league. Southgate took over and we got relegated a year later and havent ever fully recovered. Great player for us though
I remember him and Ugo Ehiogu partnership at the back that was best centre backs outside top clubs. Shame Ugu died so young in 40s in 2017. Southgate was great defender but manager wise he is mid table Championship. Seems decent bloke but that doesn't make you a good manager at Premier League level or even top international level managing one best countries in the world in England.
I even think mediocre is a stretch, he would not get a job in any of the top premiership teams, and if he did they would soon be in the bottom half. He is the luckiest guy ever.
Forget top teams, he wouldn't get a job at Nottingham Forest
He's the reason we haven't won anything. Should have won euros, Should have done better in the world cup. Players are good enough, he isn't.
Well Said Simon Jordan. Couldn't Agree More 👏.
I define success for a manager is "value added to a team". We absolutely have world class players. Arguably one of the best group of players in the world. What does Southgate add to the team? Almost certainly not tactical nous. Possibly team morale, but I wouldnt say he "fires up" any players to play beyond their expectations.
Gareth couldn't excite a pensioner with a leg touch and a pack of worthers original
@@niptwistspectacularTrue he ain't got us over the line. But he hasn't stunk up the gaff like others hve in the past
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.That's because of the players, not because of him 🙄
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.Relatively speaking, given the wealth of talent available, he definitely has created an odour...
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.Thats the problem happy with mediocre 😂
For once, I agree with Simon - Southgate is not able to take England past that final step.
I agree let’s bring in Sam allaydyce
He'd get found out honestly. My issue is more that te English media really, really, REALLY wants Southgate to win something, so that they can be like 'HA I TOLD YOU SO, HE'S GOOD.'
SOUTHGATE OUT
Imagine Pep managing those players!!!
Or Klopp.
Bang on..winning nothing with Southgate..too negative..and got his favourites
Imagine Southgate managing Man City! They'll probably finish 8th.
@@subculture2006and Henderson would be captain
He is Englands biggest handicap to winning a trophy, to be honest we should have had two major trophies with this group of players. When Gareth states “it depends how you measure success”, that’s easy it’s measured on trophy’s dear boy, trophies. Imagine Pep saying that OMG, as Pep said why he hasn’t been sacked “it’s simple, win games, win titles”. With Gareth he looks to measure success by being mediocre.
Simons face while Jim is trying to convince us that he was tough on Southgate when he (Jim) interviewed him.
Southgate made me lose all interest in watching England. So there's that. Life's too short...
Literally the same mate, not interested, won’t be getting invested in England in the next euros it will be the same outcome as usual
England will win the next euros
@@chd1694 @chd1694 not with Southgate. But if I'm wrong, please come back and gloat, and I'll happily concede I was wrong.
Are you missing the Roy hodgson era
The man who has got us further into 3 major tournaments than any other manager in my lifetime and he's the one who made you fall out of love with England?? 😂
He is far too rigid to come into an environment like the premier league. International football suits
Simon is 100% spot on here. Euros final should have never have got to penalties and I was screaming at the TV for Southgate to change something but he just waited and waited and waited until it was too late. Even Trippier could see it I've never before seen a player so desperate to get off the pitch just to change something at the cost of his own place on the pitch because he knew the momentum had gone against and any change was better than nothing!
Everything is easier to analyse in hindsight. He did well to reach the finals and deserves credit
@@CantDcdeGoodNamsTakn the teams talent reached the finals, not his managerial calls that could have shifted the momentum.
@@CantDcdeGoodNamsTaknI mean they played some pretty bad teams outside of Croatia. It wasn’t really that impressive of a run once you look at who they beat to get to the final.
@@CantDcdeGoodNamsTaknits this mindset why England will win nothing
@@CantDcdeGoodNamsTakn He is a terrible manager who has a brilliant team
Southgate feels comfortable because there is no higher standard to compare him to. We've created the cycle of mediocrity but still continue the delusion of putting ourselves at the top table of world football.
Southgate’s biggest achievement will be when he retires.
Why would Southgate want another job he has a cushy number with England gets paid a wage for failure year after year
That Italian final was a massive letdown
Unless you’re Italian. England should win a tournament by now, this Euros, England should be the favourites. France are always in the mix but all the other countries are not that great anymore. Come on England!
England have to win something. Not because this is a better group of players than we’ve had previously, but more because every other team is so bad at the moment. The worst Italian side I’ve seen, worst Dutch side, worst Spanish side, worst German side, worst Brazilian size, and as good as some individual players that France have, it’s actually the worst French side I’ve seen.
The golden generation were up against elite players spread across every country, so they may have an excuse for not winning anything. There is no competition right now for England, there’s no excuse for not winning.
But we are seeing, when you have such an incompetent manager, he can ruin anything good.
The guy was a terrible club manager, got relegated and played a terrible style of football. Why is he still in a job?
The guy plays favourites with out of form players and doesn’t have a clue about tactics.
He’s being bailed out by certain players at the moment who always manage to grab a goal when needed. They aren’t playing well and I’m fed up with him taking credit for things which have nothing to do with him.
He’s in a fortuitous position with a fortuitous group of players and not much in the form of real challengers, yet still can’t win matches convincingly.
I agree completely, for example, in 2002, England were beaten by a team with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo in it - they were good, Brazil were better.
Argentina are the worst World Cup winners in at least a generation. England will never get a better chance but Southgate isn't the right man for the job.
Simon,my Ideal man, never fails to make sense of these things 😊
They're no winning nowt way him.
Which is sad because they've world class players 😢
You need to be exceptional to win things consistently. Gareth is an average manager with a world-class squad. Give one of the top 5 managers in the world the England job and this squad would dominate for a long time.
Its the player's that done good not Southgate he's better at pizza adverts
spot on MISS
It's a joke that Gary O'Neil isn't at the forefront of people's mind as the next England manager. Prevented Bournemouth relegation and led them to a respectable finish and is now turning around a Wolves side lacking playing style.
Good idea 👍
Southgate has ended up with the first genuine World Class group of English players since the Gazza, Sheringham and Shearer days.
The usual giants of International football aren't exactly what they were, so we have the best players, playing against weaker sides.
Southgate's problem is that he's an average defender who manages like he played. Too safe.
I would expect someone like Eddie Howe to make us more of an attacking and dynamic force. Any good manager would expect to win something with this current crop of players.
Did you just say Sherringham and shearer world class? Am I the only one who remembers that era
As much as I love Shearer, he was always disappointing at International level. Domestic level, he was arguably the best English 9 we've ever seen
He wasn't better than kane, unbelievable goal record but he was not world class neither was sherringham
@@cupheadtheavncher724 Shearer was definitely world class in the mid to late 90's. He wasn't Ronaldo, Romario or Baggio but he was top 5/6 strikers in the world at that time. I'm 37, I remember.
Totally disregarding future generations to suit your narrative. We were swelled with world class talent from 2006-2010 and the defence was far far better than what we have now. How did, the generation you mentioned get on as well as the generations that followed. England fans are so fickle. Bring in coaches with huge reputations it's fool proof, yeah ask Capello.
He will always be remembered for England getting to the SF or Final of an international tournament, watches his team take the lead then the handbrake is pulled up, wheel clamps secured and krooklok snapped on.
He's out of his depth in a must win game.
Nowhere near good enough for a top 6 job, and why he's an OBE says everything about the honours system there to reward failure.
WC Semi-Final 2018 vs Croatia - 1-0 up, sat back, lost 2-1 in ET. EURO Final 2021 vs Italy - 1-0 up, sat back, lost on penalties. WC Quarter-Final 2022 vs France - were the better team for large parts of the game, didn't go for the jugular, lost 2-1. The tactics in all 3 of those matches cost England. The tactics come directly from the manager. A better manager than Southgate would have achieved 2 WC finals and a European championship winners medal.
He is a bang average at best manager. England is a holiday camp who bottle it when it really matters and he fails to make big calls when needed on selection of substitutions. The FA will pick another yes man after Southgate. The other question is would a manager with a Premiership job leave it for the England job, Howe wont ever get a better chance than hes got at Newcastle. Potter probably wants a club job not the international one.
It's only taken English media and fans 3 YEARS to see this. The moment everyone should of known Southgate tactics are too negative and wont win England anything was Italy Final. 2 years (long enough time to learn) Croatia game like Italy we go 1-0 up then with 7 defensive players we stop attacking... Disgraceful if we dont win the Euros he needs to be sacked but the FA are spineless
This has been obvious before those euros
The honeymoon ended for me against Croatia, his tactical inability became apparent
We won’t win the Euros and it will be toxic beyond repair by the final whistle of the game we get knocked out in. This is his final tournament.
What I find amazing and just absolutely hilarious is how people have seen not a single win in their life get to a point where they are saying anything but a win is unacceptable. Is this the Newcastle fans having a go at trippier. Immediately you get a taste of the big time its sack him and get mourinho.
@@ifstar3 It’s not a hard concept. We have have the best squad in the world and it has been nearly 60 years since we won anything. The time no poor managers getting a chance to manage England has gone, England need the best managers out their to manage the best players in the world. I suspect Pep may take it in the next couple of years, my Irish friends think the same.
The facts are England lost the euros to an Italy side that couldn't qualify to a world cup, lost to a France side that lost it's core through injuries n other reasons kante pogba Benz Varane. He is a Bang average Championships manager at best n England will find a way to chock with all this talent compared to the rest of the world. Get ready for another chock fest
Lost to Italy AT WEMBLEY in a tournament which was effectively a home tournament. Not winning a home tournament, as a top footballing nation, is a failure. Especially when you factor in how poor and defensive the football has been.
What iconic moments are remembered from that tournament? We remember Euro '96 because we played great, attacking football. So too in '98 to an extent. We still haven't beaten a top team in a knockout game for about 20 years.
I reckon Southgate will leave whatever the result after the Euros. I predict that he will replace Roy Hodgson at Palace. The England job will go to Graham Potter if the FA wants to stay with an English manager. Cant see Eddie Howe, the only other credible English future England manager, leaving Newcastle.
Howe will be dumped off by Newcastle in less than a year from now, you watch.
@@danielbate13 I completely disagree,only time will tell
Mens team the fa don’t want A non English manager but the England womens team can ?
@@Wardley-Toon 8 months
@@Wardley-Toon if not before
England have had the easiest road to qualify and anytime they come against a decent team they bottle it, trash manager and has made the worst decisions i’ve ever seen
He’s bang average we won’t win anything with him, tactically clueless
Southgate was put in as a bland pair of hands after the Allardyce debacle. It’s a bit like someone who’s had a bad relationship, and when they break up, all they want from their next partner is someone who is just steady and won’t upset them in anyway. I think he would pick Pickford even if he’d has his arms chopped off and Nick Pope had kept 38 clean sheets in a row.
As an England fan, its frustrating to me how we make being our manager the worst job in football then fail to see why no top manager wants it.
You’re not wrong mate. They’re blamed no matter what they do, and considered a failure for not winning tournaments…when we have no history of winning tournaments, bar one, years ago!
The way Gareth goes on, you'd think you've won the lot. The guy is absolutely clueless, and if you can't see that, you're clueless.
We've had Sven and Capello, both regarded as amongst the top club managers in the world at the time and neither came close to Southgate's international record
@@DC94359 the way we go on its like we're winning trophies every other tournament and any manager who doesn't do that is interrupting our unfettered ever flowing success. This isn't a question of wether Gareth Southgate is good enough for the job, that's a whole different thing. This is England fans not understanding that the perfect "top" or "elite" manager who will swoop in and save us isn't ever coming unless we change the nature of the job. If we sack Gareth Southgate tomorrow, who can we hire that is more likely to win Euro 2024? Not who do you want, who will actually come and take the job. Its quite obvious Southgate isn't the best manager in the world but the whole point is we're never going to get the best manager in the world or even close until we make it a job they'll actually want to touch with a bargepole.
@@DC94359bit overdramatic lol
He may be an average manager but he sure can rock an armband or two if you have a political message to push.
Spot on it is about the mental toughness instilled by the manager.
Totally agree, average manager with a very good crop if players, but when it comes to winning a major tournament he doesn't have the ability/knowledge to change how we play if we are losing.
Not average. Way below that. I'd say the worst manager in world football.
The England job isn’t a full time position. Let a decent Prem manager and his assistants take over, splitting country and domestic. No manager in their prime would take the job otherwise. Most current prem managers could do better with 5 minutes notice with this set of players than Southgate!
You are bang on, let a top manager do it part time. Anyone could qualify with that squad.
The ideal candidate is someone with a track record of managing at the highest level of domestic football consistently and understands the Premier League where 95% of the squad play.
No way they take the job. As england fans we've made it the worst job in football and we need to understand this if we're ever gonna get a top coach in
why would that person take the job instead of a premier league job? and if youre also going to insist on him being english, english managers have a dismal record in the premier league
@@jemimallah didn't say they have to be English, most of the managers aren't. As long as they have a good track record at the highest level of domestic football here or elsewhere but understands the Prem then that is fine by me. And yeah you're right why would they... but it has been done before with foreign managers.
It is Pep Guardiola then. He's the best. His football wins. He understands English players best. If England national team wants to win, then Pep is it. Any other manager will cause further heartbreak. It's been 57 years since England has won anything.
@@bezz9141 you are living on a different planet if you think he's coming anywhere near the job
Jim's not butting in and over talking people as much as he normally does here. Simon is bang on right. Jim hasn't a word to defend his friend Gareth 😂
The final of Euro 2020 was humiliating, he allowed us to be dictated to without reply by Mancini and Italy. It was horrendous. He metaphorically sat on his hands for the entire game. Southgate should have gotten a high quality experienced assistant coach into the dugout alongside him.
Failed at Middlesbrough and ran with Stuart Pearce for the safety net of the FA
5:25 what are you on about Jim? Go to be having a laugh. They are dire to watch.
Seven years at an average of £2m per year...now banking £5m per year.
Failed to win Euro 2020 (2021) which was basically a home tournament... Celebrated for the rounds in which he is knocked out, with the only difference being that England played harder teams earlier in the past.
Prolonging the careers of Henderson and Maguire whilst ending the career of Sterling, which is clearly personal not form or merit.
I'm no expert but I am old enough to remember the "golden generation" of Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard etc and if management was so easy then they would have won, even with the turnips that were in charge then.
I also remember what England was like before Southgate took over and they were truly dire, so bad it was painful to watch at times. Under Southgate I have watched what many would have called average or surprise picks get to the semi final in Russia and he has galvanised a team which unsurprisingly he is keen to keep together, yes someone may be playing better, at the moment, in the league but are they really that much better than his current option who has performed for England and has gelled with his International team mates?
I've also seen some of the 'b' teams of players who have been given their chance and for whatever reason haven't taken it and watching them play as a team has been dull to say the least.
BUT if a player is truly good enough then Southgate will pick them and integrate them into the team, Bellingham is the perfect example, he is still so young but arguably the best player in an England jersey.
Look at some of the careers of the England players in the squad prior to Southgate, Deli Ali, Ross Barkley, Eric Dyer, Rose and Smalling, all touted as the best of their geneartion and look at how their careers have gone, not to mention Ruben Loftus-Cheek, and Lingard. These were all meant to be the best of their generation and who were subsequently replaced by Southgate with the likes of Rice, Sake, Foden, Bellingham etc.
Unlike the England teams of the last couple of decades, when you watch Southgates team at tournaments there is a level of belief that they could go on and win it and it's enjoyable to watch. Did we deserve to beat the Italians, sure we did and with a different official we may well have done but they were bullied off the park. If not for the brilliance of Mbappe we would have been playing Argentina in another final.
Say what you will about Southgate but the players he picks clearly turn up for him on the big occasions unlike so many other players for previous managers of the past.
None of the other major footballing countries would look on that 7 year record as being successful. None
England team before Southgate:
- not technically adept
- did not consistently reach latter stages of tournaments
- did not have support of most sectors of English society
- players did not enjoy playing for England
England team after a Southgate:
- technically adept in line with the demands of international football
- consistently reach latter stages of tournaments
- has support of most sectors of English society
- players enjoy playing for England
According to Simon Jordan, this is a not a successful term as England manager
Succes is winning
The only success is winning. Runner up and you just as well not qualify.
2nd place is nowhere.
Nail on head. Too many blinded sheep who listen to the outrage mouth pieces like SJ who are sent out purely to generate clicks & hate.
Have been in the travel club for 6 years, barely missed a match under GS at home or overseas. He’s given us experiences and memories you could not have dreamed of under Robson/Taylor/Venables/Hoddle/Keegan/Sven/McClaren/Capello or Woy.
His record across the last 3 tournaments (even to date) will not be matched by his successor. It’s been the greatest era of English football that only Sir Alf’s boys can surpass.
When he wins the Euros next summer it’s open season on Jordan, Murphy & every single nay sayer in the comments who show nothing but disrespect to a bloke who took us from the laughing stock of world football, to one of the most feared.
@@DudeLebowski23istg I don't get how some of the fans in the comments section feel that if the manager doesn't win one off tournaments he's a failure. I would understand the fans expectations if England had previously won several tournaments. They've won one world cup and that was 60 odd years ago, where does the entitlement come from?
When England leveled 1 - 1 against France and still nit bringing Rashford on immediately was the stupidest decision he ever made let be honest the only better player running in behind was on the French team.
He only brought on Grealish with one minute left. Grealish was in brilliant form at that time. Worst England manager I've ever seen and thats saying something.
what’s the name that comes after Postecoglou, i didnt hear it good @ min 15.16
As a Boro fan i have never rated him since Boro whilst in the Premier league managed to get to the quarter finals of the Fa cup with a tie against Championship Cardiff at the Riverside.The only premier league team left in the competion was Portsmouth who Boro had already beaten in the league.Boro have never won the Fa cup ,this was our chance. Southgate was not able to lift Boro to beat Cardiff so out we went in a lacklutre performance.Awful! unable to motivate the Boro team an early clue to his abilities
Jim calling Croaits serbs is a dangerous comment XD
All those years of Jim Beam have sloshed his brain up 🤪
And he’s right
It’s disgusting how he treats some of the players who more than merit a call up over long periods of time compared to his mates
Southgate's best move was in deliberately cultivating good relationships with the media. This has shielded him from a lot of media criticism and demands that he should be sacked - especially after the last world cup. How can he claim that going out in the quarter finals is "progress" after going further in the previous one? We went out to the first international class team we face din the tournament. Good at handling the media, pretty mediocre at football!
The Euro final bottle job is unforgivable
A big fat winner that understands English players? ARSENE WENGER! Wake up FA... strewth! 😠
Thats an interesting shout
Hear hear
As soon as we come up against anyone in the top 15 we loose…look at the teams we have played we fluked our way through against terrible teams and then beaten by ones who can play a bit
I’ve never agreed so strongly with Simon before. I agree with every word of this.
Simon nailed it. Each of those major losses has Southgate's DNA written all over it. Too rigid, then the wrong change too late. Its only the brilliance of Bellingham and Kane that saves his bacon.
we are winning nothing with him
Couldn’t agree more, Southgate isn’t as good as some would have us believe! The fact that he keeps picking his favorite players who ain’t even regular starters for their clubs or couldn’t hack it in the Premiership shows that he isn’t the best of manager around!
First is first and 2nd is nothing according to Shankly. Southgate doesn't get that .
It's just because it's Southgate. If Ancelotti took over England and took them to a World Cup semi-final and euros final he would be a hero!
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Ancelotti would've had the team playing better football! We have an abundance of attacking talent, and yet Southgate plays pragmatic and unadventurous football.
@@edbarrett7692 what and Southgate plays hoofball does he? Give over. We play good enough football, not that it matters anyway, it’s international football ffs !
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Simon is spot on here. Big moments and critical decisions are what determine the quality of a manager to me, Southgate doesn’t have that tactical nous
Wondering if Mike Bassett would be available... ;-)
“Southgate reached the euro final. No other manager has ever done this for england so therefore he is the best”
And will be remembered more for bottling the euro final to a team who got eliminated by north macedonia than he would be for reaching the final
I’m sure sir alf ramsey is remembered more for wc 1974 qualifying failure than wc 1966 success
Sir Alf Ramsey will be most remembered for not qualifying in '74 than winning in '66? By your logic, Pele will be most remembered for failing to reach the knockout stage in '66...after being back to back World Cup winners!
@@garywallace5602 wasn’t pele injured badly enough in 1966 which is why brazil flopped?
Alf ramsey got the sack for 1974 wc qualifiers failure, pele didn’t stop playing for brazil
@@yoshiwoollyworldSo, basically Brazil were a one man team? Alf Ramsey won the World Cup, were unlucky in '70, then didn't qualify in '74 'cos the golden generation no longer existed.
@@garywallace5602 no, but they were lacking in goalscorers.
Didn’t alf ramsey take too long with substitutions and would’ve beaten poland instead of getting a 1-1 draw if he brought on the players he needed much earlier?
@@yoshiwoollyworld There's no guarantee England would have beaten Poland. Turnip head took off Lineker at Euro '92 in his final match. Would Lineker of scored? Probably not, he was playing rubbish. Yet, sentiment said he should of stayed on the pitch 'cos he was one goal away from equalling Charlton's goal scoring record.
apart from alf ramsey, what england manager has a better record than gareth southgate? he has done a great job
They don't call it the impossible job for no reason. I think he's tactically improved since coming in which was the area I worried about - we were the better team than France in that game just unlucky. I do think the euros should be his last shot though to prove he's learnt from previous mistakes. Alot of England fans are very deluded about who we are as a national football team and blind to how we/ the press make England manager such an unappealing job. We're never going to get a top coach until we sort ourselves out
If Southgate goes, then we need a non English manager to replace him. A manager that has a winning mentality.
Sceptical that he selects the players for the squads. I suspect it’s the FA and wanting “marketable players”.
Totally disagree, Southgate has done well, there are 32 teams in every tournament on his logic does that mean all the managers of 31 out of the 32 teams that don't win should be sacked? International football is knockout is hard to win anything his logic is off.
"He's building something"
He's taken guys from age 25 (their prime) to 32. What has he built for them?
All the great teams have been a shadow of their former self and he still can't beat anyone decent. When Brasil, Germany, Spain etc get good again we're screwed.
I emailed in twice to suggest Arsene Wenger and yet Jim didn't read them out and actually said nobody suggested a foreign manager! 🤔
We need a manager who's been there and done it. A winner which Southgate clearly is not. When it comes to the best teams in the world he gets beat every time. Both as a player and a manager. We're being too generous giving him ANOTHER tournament to fail.
The quicker we get rid of Southgate the better. Hes had enough opportunities in tournaments and hasn't won anything . There isnt many national teams with a better squad than ours , but we wont win anything with Snoozegate in charge.
You know Steve Cooper is Welsh right lol
Done ok despite Southgate i think, he's holding these players back and ignoring form players for safe options
Forgot to add. 3 days after England v Brazil at Wembley. An absolute Desaster of a performance. Germany changed their Manager and Julian Nagelsman showed why people rave about him being one of if not the most talented young Managers in the game at the moment. Germany out played France 🇫🇷. Won 0-2 in France.
Cooper won the U17 World Cup. He knows a few of the young players like Foden etc.
England are spoiled for Talent. Trippier, Walker, John Stones, Bellingham, Rice, Saka, Kane, Grealish, Foden, etc. would get into every single team. It's a world class team managed by a championship level manager. Rather unfortunate for the English.
We only have a handful of world class talent. Kane, TAA (who doesn't even play), Walker (defensively), Bellingham, Grealish (at what he does). That's it. Saka is overrated. Foden is still potential. Rice is overrated (he isn't dominating the midfield against genuine world class midfielders like De Jong/Modric/Verratti etc. Our defence and GK are bang average and 3 of our best players are right backs.
I have huge respect for Steve Cooper but his talent is working with young non-elite players and making a functioning team. At the moment I don't know who should replace Southgate
If we were appointing a manager today, based on the team we have now, Southgate (even taking into account his record) probably wouldn’t get the job.
However, it’s easy to forgot how dire England was before he came in. The fact there’s even genuine expectation now is a reflection of that and to that effect, he’s done a decent job. However, on the assumption/ belief that we have a tournament winning squad, even though he’s helped build it, it’s probably time up as don’t think he’s good enough to take us to a win.
The problem is virtually anyone interested in football in this country knows and agrees with Jordan, Foden is an example of Southgates ability, Foden is an integral part of Guardiolas plans, there are no passengers in a City team and the lad is a phenominal talent, yet Southgate doesnt know how to play him. When are the FA going to realise Southgate has taken England as far as he can. The acid test is which top 6 team would take Southgate as a manager, let alone any other prem team.
Gareth has done enough to develop the ENgland side but I dont think he has the necessary fire and personality to galvanise England to up the teams aggression to go for the throat of the opponenets to beat them, as is often said in the Premier about certain managers England need the right manager to get England across the line (Pep would be a good replacement)
should just experiment with the squad next two games are nothing try something new whether its formation or giving other players a chance nothing to lose really
If we don’t win it next summer he has to go. Last chance saloon for him. He can’t waste this talent that we have in the squad