DEBATE: Have Man City BROKEN the Premier League?
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2024
- The lads on The Kick Off debate whether Pep Guardiola's Manchester City dominance is bad football. Do you agree?
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Man utd did it on a shoe string budget is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard in a football debate
We did spend money back in the day but Compared to man city its not on the same planet
@@MegaTimtheman Paul Pogba
@@whitehallavenue1752 they meant under fergie pre glazers
@@MegaTimtheman because back in the day footballers didnt cost as much lol
In the 80-90s we had 1 of the lowest net spends of all top division clubs.
‘United can’t compete with States’ my bro utd literally spend the most money in the league
But do they really? Or are they just honest about what they spend? City being investigated for manager offshore banking and concealing money spent, injected into offshore accounts by the owners..
Exactly. As a United fan, I find statements like this infuriating. I've always said the difference between United and City is like Apple under Tim Cook v Apple under Steve Jobs. Both had the same resources, however 1 cares about making money/market share, the other cared about innovation and being the best.
@@edtcreative one is a rolls Royce, the other a mclaren😂
Man City won a major trophy before all the teams sitting at this table. The Fa cup. City are also one of the oldest clubs in the country. There’s rich history even if people decide to ignore it
Agreed and it's not so much that they're ignoring it - they're actively briefing against it. Spurs fan sitting there, the greatest moment his club have had in 50+ yrs Ricky Vila goal in the FA Cup Final replay ! who were they playing against the f*ckin Salvation Army ? First year I remember really following City was the year that Liverpool kicked of their run of titles - we finished 2nd - it's total BS
History is constantly being written anyway
The club was founded in 1894, do you even know about Manchester Central FC? Manchester City supported Manchester Utd financially during an extended rough spell - even as far as financing the purchase their uniforms back in the day, and won the European Cup Winners' Cup in 1970 against Górnik Zabrze (Polish League) in Vienna.
The most debilitating thing is a lethargic, sycophantic mind. Let them wallow in emptyheadedness.
Well until 2011 spurs had a richer history 😂 and in 2023 spurs still has a substantially bigger uk fanbase than City will ever have 😂
@@caribbean_racer_rr3 yes Aberdeen has a cup winners cup too? There is a reason why Chelsea are a bigger more successful brand than City! Longevity in the Premier league, more trophies overall , 4 major European trophies a bigger global following
"United did it on a shoe string budget" absolute bs 😂
They broke the British transfer record 6 times but nah they did it on a shoestring budget 😂
Such a crazy thing to say
But u did have Howard Webb in ur corner
@@acer908 they broke it 3 times in 15months 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought this was a joke comment coz no one would actually say it until i watched the video 😂😂
Are we going to ignore how united & arsenal have a higher net spend than city in the last decade?
My 7 year old nephew can grasp the difference between Utd spending their own clubs money and City spending their owners money.
Are you thicker than a 7 year old or something?
Officially. Some of the charges are about how City have hidden their real spending.
2 reasons why this is a fallacy argument.
1- United have a revenue base to do this and United do not pay ridiculous wages to keep players.
2- The net spend does not include wages paid to players in that time... For example, they spent £50M on Sterling and paid him £350K/Week for 4/5 seasons...
@@muleyamwiinga3988 what are you on about mate United have the highest wage bill in the PL for the last 5 years straight they are at top.
@@samkkx Man doesn't even know why he is so pressed lol!!
If Pep went to Man United or Chelsea in 2016 instead of Man City, Man United or Chelsea would be dominating too imo. Those 2 clubs spend as much if not more than City imo.
A Chelsea fan debating this was actually HILARIOUS. They are literally the reason FFP became a thing😂😂😂😂
Why man City fans keep bringing up City and man UTD? Man UTD have been one of the biggest Revenue generating club so they have spent Ludacris amount money now they're in massive debt Chelsea aren't allegedly digging their own grave with loophole system they aren't in investigation for 115 Breaches
Nah not so sure. I feel like Pep wouldn't have been backed as much by United and Chelsea, with the Glazers goofing around.
tru Man UJtd spend more then Man City, and stil all cry special Man Utd fans say spend to little, ther the club who spend most last 10 years, it so stupid to hear about, diffremces is Man City has buy moistly right players for system and club, Man Utd nearly never buy the right players for system or for the club.
Pep would be fed players like Maguire and Fred at Utd. Nah he wouldnt be able to stop Klopps Liverpool
Saying you don’t hate city is ironic looking at frustrated when you speak of them😂😂😂😂
The United fan saying “we can’t compete” when they spend just as much is laughable 😂
Classic Delusional United fan .
I'm a United fan, and I agree with u. Our issue isn't spending. We just need owners who bring in a strong infrastructure and culture like City's and we'd probs become a threat within a couple years
It’s true to an extent
From 2005-2014 United spent nothing and were falling further and further back, letting ronaldo go etc and replacing him with obertan, Valencia and Owen etc
So when it came time to finally getting back, United kept spending stupid money to just try and get close to city (whilst city were spending 250 mil as well) so United would have needed 400 mil to get back but they didn’t
Nothing annoys me more than when True Geordie says Pep inherited a title winning side.
he started with a good side but it was an ageing side with the likes of Zaba, Clichy Yaya.
The club is better
Exactly. Pep also signed 8 defenders in his first 2 seasons. So he has had the flexibility to build the foundations of that team.
If Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, or Manchester United were in Manchester City's current position, would this be a topic? And before anyone says heritage this and that elitist stuff, if the objective is to be fair to the teams with less money (or other leagues as KG said), then shouldn't the focus on FFP be instituting a salary cap or ensuring everyone spends the exact amount per season? But of course that won't happen. Once Abramovich did what he did in 2003, everyone should have seen this coming. Doesn't make it fair, but let's not act like money doesn't rule the world in every aspect. And event if they get rid of Manchester City, there will be another Manchester City. Chelsea spending 600 million in one window should be a bigger story, because that proves it is not just about spending money. If City have cooked the books, then let's also discuss the bigger issue, why the hell did the English FA allow that to happen for so long? That screams incompetence on the part of the English FA. Sticky sticky situation.
Well said true analysis.We should have seen this coming
Bro if we weren't winning they wouldn't care look at chelshit
There will always be another City this bald headed fat guy supporting NC bringing FFP against us in 3 years time will be defending his team against FFP as his team will spend fortunes trying to bring success. Because money is everything and I don't believe spending the owner's money is a crime they make it seem like we stole from government.
They have already been in the position of man city and they were loved for it 😂 FFP was only brought in to stop city! The moment msn citys takeover happened the began the planning for ffp and it came into play in 2011/2012 I believe.
Yes why did the FA take so long to file allegations if this was happening for 10 years. Its like the moment city became serial winners then they start to dig up some dirt
What consistently annoys with me this whole discussion is the lack of realization & acknowledgement that Pep fucking Guardiola is the difference not the money, this feeling of helplessness is because of the football they play on the pitch which cannot and has not been replicated by any other manager, nothing more nothing else. it disgust me to even hear Man Utd or Chelsea cannot compete, you CAN compete financially you just can't in the dugout that is the difference, this is the difference between having one of the best managers situated for 7+ years compared to switching one out every season, where is the sustainability? where is the joint thinking when you consistently swap out managers?A dynasty isn't built off the back of multiple managers it's built off one, when his barca side played this level of football you all said it was a 2 team league he couldn't do it in England, when he came to England you all doubled down even more and said he definitely couldn't do it, 7 years later now you're all crying? Imagine thinking he wouldn't have won Multiple League titles if he had spent the same amount of money & time Klopp has spent at Liverpool, what else do you want? he even went with a false 9 for 2 seasons, you idiots still couldn't catch up, he then reups this summer with Haaland and here come the water works again. It's utterly embarrassing. THE DIFFERENCE IS PEP. No other manager demands this level of excellence, he is a standard and ceiling raiser, did it Barca do you think Madrid went crying? No they fucking got 100 points. If you understood who Pep is and the impact of what Johan Cryuff did a Barca as a manager and how that impacted Pep you would understand what he has done for City and would draw parallels. This is not a debate give every single World Class manager in World Football a blank canvass and the same amount of money to build a First XI and Pep would have the best, put those teams in a League Pep's own would have the most points and most wins. HIS FOOTBALL IS THE DIFERENCE. That is what renders you hopeless on the pitch. CAPICHE?
Absolutely well said. I think casuals and slightly less intellectual watchers will only truly realize Pep's influence on the club, league and the sport as a whole, once he retires. It's destined for him cement his legacy as the greatest
I wish I could reshare this!!! Well put.
@@paulhubble7903 correct when pep leaves getting top 4 will be the priority with the new manager, not winning the league with 90 plus points!
Neutral here. 6 weeks ago everyone at the table was saying Arsenal had won the title. It’s not pep’s fault Arsenal bottled it. Discrediting greatness always just looks bitter. Guardiola also inherited a slightly underperforming team who’d most recently finished 4th I believe and one which had a lot of players at the tail end of their career like Sagna etc and rebuilt it with young technical players most of which are still there today
Let's just compare the benches of Arsenal and City then say ....
" Oh Arsenal bottled it" !!
Pathetic
@@Mohammed-dy6xb Arsenal aren’t a non league fairy tale side, they’ve also spent 100s of millions in consecutive seasons. They bottled a 2 goal lead in consecutive games, followed by drawing at home to Southampton (their only point in their last 9 games) and then lost away at notts Forrest. When you’re 8 points clear with 10 games left and dont Win, it has to be classed as bottling.
@@MazzaProductions2019 Yes it's easy to forget City have spent over £600 M JUST on defenders alone !!
How can you compete with that !!
You're comparing Arsenal's £200 M to City's £2 BILLION lol
@@Mohammed-dy6xb bro what are you saying? Arsenal bottled. Plain and simple
@@Mohammed-dy6xb those numbers couldn’t be further from accurate. it’s a lot a lot a lot closer than you think, i believe arsenal even have a higher net spend since peps been at city
The only elite level team pep inherited was bayern munich in 2013. Barca and City had a lot of deadwood when Pep came in at the time.
Barca was in a Champions League semi final the year before he joined and they already had Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Valdés, Eto'o and Henry. Not denying that Pep didn't significantly improve them, but a lot of the groundwork for that era of Barcelona dominance was already laid there when he arrived
@@fivestarman5130 what are you talking about.Barca were horrible before pep came in.Won absolutely nothing and finished on 67 points.Pep came in and fully transformed Barca promoting Busquets and Pedro from the academy,bringing in pique who no one wanted ,dani alves ,you say players like Xavi and iniesta they were no where near the level before pep came in they weren’t consistent starters he made them.He also made messi into a god.Messi never put those numbers before pep.
Messi was a bench player, Barca with all the names was bang average, Pep brings the team to life and wins a sextuple and he's second UCL had young players. Give Pep his credit considering it was his first team to coach.
Barca mightve not been the finish product but it was definitely an elite team
@@dragonflame99k34 that’s the truth the English media are refusing to tell their ignorant readers and viewers
Man City are playing a higher standard of football and at the same time tougher competitors. It’s tough to take when you don’t support them; but, can’t take it away from them. Exceptional coach, players. No doubt.
I'm a Liverpool fan so City have caused me a lot of pain over the last few years, but you're absolutely right. The players and coaches are unbelievable, full credit to them.
As a United fan, I grew up in a time where all this was being said about us, until the early 00s. People struggle and confuse winning with dominance. United had many a battle that when to the final weeks of the season, they just had a coach and players who knew how to get over the line most times. Now so do City. That being said, I pray the PL throws the book at them 😉😂😂
Well, the team with the best players on the highest salary with the best coach and the best facilities do well? Why are people giving them so much credit, they’ve got a cheat code. Liverpool won the league training at melwood, with a left back that cost like 2 mil. Yes we spent a lot on Ali and Virg but that’s from the money made selling players and revenues which took work from the club. Ofc city’s individuals are great and make a great team but have they earned it more than Liverpool did? Ofc not
But look at the bigger picture? If man City have been guilty of sportswashing, breaking the rules of ffp, inflated sponsors outside the UK etc? Then all thier sucess will be all tainted and city fans will be reminded by all the Premier league teams with banners and away visits will get very uncomfortable? Espn, sky sports, nbc, etc will pick these banners up on live broadcasts and the world will see the ugly side of football off the pitch
@@mymemories925no it will not , we won , ON THE PITCH .
Imagine a united, Newcastle, Chelsea fan saying they can't compete against city. The irony.
They can’t though?
@@RightishRight yet they have spent more than city excluding Newcastle for now
@@iamviral7362 Where does City get their money from to spend as much as they do?
It's giving delulu😂
@@bitten4life tv rights, match day revenue, shirt sales, sponsorships, prize money from winning the league multiple times and going deep in cl, etc
These tears are pretty good. As a City fan, this actually feels good. I never thought I would care that people actually feel something about City. I've been told for years that nobody cares about my club, but here we are:). Imagine these guys talking about how they feel about us winning the league, if only you knew how it felt lol :)) You just feel the opposite, we are on your MIND!!!
calling yourself a city "fan" is a disgrace even deep down you know you're a glory hunter and you woulndt support them if they werent successful, prat
Too bad you don't know the joy of winning a CL lol
@@samkelorashuza5949 Poor me lol, keep your fingers crossed I still won't know it next month. If we win, I'll see if it's all it's cracked up to be
Rent free.
@@samkelorashuza5949 By this time next season we'll hopefully be on a Brace of them. Have patience.
EDIT:
Remember when Utd used to sing on how we'd never win three in a row?
UTD won 5 in 6 and no one was having this conversation when we did it
Probably because there was no social media back then
Difference is United was legitimate City’s success is Fraudulent😂
@@Goated2002prove it then
@@riolam14 115 charges
u also didnt cheat like city
City before Pep came won 2 titles but there was still a sense of competition. The real reason they have been so dominant is just Pep. And the only reason Liverpool have been their best competitors for the last 5 years is Klopp.
And the only reason you thought that paragraph was coherent is because of crack
Plastic fans make up 95% of the man City social media fanbase
Pep with a fantastic team already, an unlimited budget, plus a great recruitment team that gives him anything he wants. New 60 million pound centre back? Here you go. Foden not quite enough? Here's 100 mil for Grealish.
Pep definitely played a big part so credit to him, but to ignore city's unmatched structure AND resources isn't giving the full picture. Pep already had the best squad in the league when he took over, and man city have matched everyone else's spending since he arrived. Thus it's very difficult to catch Man city, when they have a great manager, a far better and deeper squad than everyone, a great recruitment team, and the ability to outspend everyone.
Great analysis, who would’ve thought the success of a team is correlated to the ability of its manager.
Replace Man City's recruitment team with Man United's and Pep wouldn't win 1 title.
Everytime you guys talk about City it’s just negativity. It’s tiring to be honest. If they are found innocent I hope your apology will be as loud as your misguided disrespect (but we all know it won’t be)
Since it won't be, I hope they shut the channel down. Bitter lot whinging; NUFC actually have the richest bone saw owners in world football, yet a continued gnashing of teeth.
Man City not having glory supporters is such a weird thing to have against them
It's not City's fault, other teams spend as much as City but they are not as good, if a team is well managed, it's not their fault.
Guardiola didn’t inherit the best team at Manchester City, nor at Barcelona. This is a myth.
He inherited the richest club on earth and a team with Xavi, Iniesta and f**king Messi
@@stevenlannister184you are talking like they were all starters and already worldclass.....
They were made worldclass....by pep
0 CL's with a treble winning team
@@stevenlannister184 they weren’t the players that they became known to be.
@@samkelorashuza5949 Patience. By this time next season we'll hopefully be on a Brace of them.
Don’t blame man city now because you bottled a 8 point lead
The fact that Geordie is the main man pushing this narrative, but will become a hypocrite if Newcastle win a league title
(Neutral here)
So many on the table seem bitter. City have spent big as all teams wish they could however they spent well. Bought a lot of unknown players but Haaland and Grealish. It seems like they spend big on players that other big teams aren’t going for to ensure they get them. They turn those players into world class players.
Pep is the difference. Peps tachtical approach is unmatched. So many teams who spent big prove that.
A bunch of bitter dudes trying to justify their teams inability to compete with city.
“I do think Pep leaving will change things” is probably the most true thing said. That statement sums up the dominance City have. Man U spent A LOT and yet can’t get it together. PSG spend big in their league and still can’t get it together, Munich this season has and looks like they won’t win the league, Chelsea spent loads and loom at them. The money is a factor but still so much more to do to have this dominance.
Most relevant comment under this video
This myth that Pep inherited a world class team. That team finished 4th behind Leicester , Arsenal and Spurs. Lets look at some of the players he had Joe Hart, Zabaleta 32, Sagna 34
Kolarov 31, Yaya Toure 34 ,Jesus Navas 31. Along with an ageing injury prone Kompany and Aguero. Not really a world class team.
Now name the other 3 teams
They literally had demichelis, mangala, otamendi and an old clichy in their defence.
U so right. Pep did not spend a billion too.
FACTS
cope
Pep is like 3rd in net spend since he came to PL what are man waffling about 😂😂😂
Because they manage to get 200mill players for 50mil and able to sell players like sterling without loosing a single penny, somethings up and all you Man City fans know there is
@@allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284 you are mad that they are a well run business 😂😂😂😂
@@dashawnballard52 If something seems too good to be true, it probably is.
@@allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284 what?.
@@williamstimi9606 if your too dumb too read that comment, ain’t my problem, go back to school or get mummy to read to you
Liverpool dominated a lot in the 70s and 80s, United won 13 leagues from 1993-2013, this is another era and it’s City’s but it’s Pep’s City! Not to say they will completely fall off when he leaves, but we will see a big difference
i think we have seen evidence with fergie leaving when Pep leaves City they wont dominate as much, but time will tell
So true, football goes in cycles. City are dominating now and probably will do as long as Pep stays. I think City will fall off somewhat when he leaves but don't think it be as big as United have experienced since Ferguson went because the structure of City is far better and they are arguably the best run club in the country
Football goes in cycles but never in history has a dominated side had 115 FFP charges, THAT is why they are being talked about.
It’s the elephant in the room
@@samwize28 true, but dominating based on spending a lot (if you spend it correctly and legally) was going to happen to football either way. If anything Madrid started that, but that’s not how they became who they are of course
@@RedDevil_Joe spending money is normal, and spending money effectively is harder than it looks and should be applauded.
The question is where the money itself came from. That’s the point that everyone seems to completely miss and have no real answer to.
Did these guys hear what their mouths were saying? United were dominating on a shoe string budget?? They were the richest club about at the time and when united came calling to other clubs for players they had to give them up as they couldn't compete. They bought Rio Ferdinand for a record price to mention one example. Liverpool were dominant in the 80s, United were dominant in the 90s and 00s and now it's City. They to will see their demise and another club will have a run of titles. So to be saying City are ruining football is laughable.
But ask yourself how they got to that point to buy Rio Ferdinand, it was from organic academy graduates for the most part, years of trial and error and a great manager in SAF.
As a city fan it doesn’t matter how other fans feel, as long as me and our other fans have our own special feeling and enjoying it that’s all that matters
Fax
That’s all that matters to you. What about what matters to everyone who isn’t a City fan?
@Thomas L we don't give 2 shits what other fans think of us
That's the problem with city fans and why they are not a big club you should care what other fans think yous should want real rivalry
Man united
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
All have massive rivalrys
City have non... The fact no one cares that yous might win a treble should be sad for city fans
@@proudtobeageordie9490 utd fans do
Everyone else has to raise their game & ambitions, it's as simple as that. When other extremely rich owners are looking to buy clubs in the league, don't knock it, it gives other clubs a fighting chance. The EPL is miles ahead of the rest of the European leagues in terms of interest & entertainment.
You can’t exactly say we can’t knock teams like City and Chelsea when they are the two prime example of financial doping and also the two most winningest teams since they began financial doping .. this is a textbook example of financial dopers actively making the league less competitive.
And don’t give me the “ChElSeA hAvE sPenT 600M AnD lOoK wHeRe TheY ArE!” Rubbish .. the fact that this awful awful Chelsea team isn’t getting relegated is exactly because they’ve spent 600m .. and teams that don’t have that luxury like Southampton, Leeds and Leicester will be relegated.
@@miniman2132 LOL. The fact you brought up Chelsea wasting 600M yourself anticipating it may get brought up is an own goal in itself, you clearly already see the point there. 😂
Not anymore. This isn’t entertainment. It’s bs.
@@1977Suspiria you’re just mad because Chelsea pissing away £600m is the only counter argument you have to justify City’s financial doping.
The point remains .. Chelsea are financial doping too .. they’re arguably the worst team out of all 20 this season, if they performed like this WITHOUT spending all that money they would have been relegated. Financial doping works, and useful idiots like you ensure it does.
@@r1crawford Actually I never brought up Chelsea at all, that was Ben White who brought them into it, so an L for you.
Man City haven't broken the league. If you compare to France and Germany (broken leagues) look at the net spend and turnover each season compared to other teams and then look at the points gap each season between first and second.
The Premier league is still very competitive
It's not competitive anymore
@@lewisclarke5240 How? Since Man City won it's first title since getting the money 12 years ago there have been 5 premier league champions. It's more competitive than all the other big leagues
@@lewisclarke5240It’s still competitive compared to the other top leagues
@@roronoalaw7772 Which is not saying much lol
5/6 very competitive 😂. Don't ever call other leagues farmers league ever again
"We can't compete"
Utd have spent the most money of the top 6 and have NOTHING to show for it
Keep crying
The Chelsea fan thinking it's a bit different bc they were in the top four is missing the point. Same with them talking about how its different bc City maybe dont have the same support outside of some other clubs. This gatekeeping it funny and its exactly why I like when these new teams beat the old guard.
Top 4 never mattered in the 90s in terms of CL places anyway. The first 5 years of the rebranded CL was still only for the champions. In 1997-98 multiple teams were allowed from select leagues but it didn't go straight to 4 teams either. 1999-2000 was when it was expanded to 72 clubs but England's coefficient was only high enough for 4 possible places from the 2002/03 season. So it makes all the posturing non-big sky 3 teams do about a couple of times they reached top 4 in 90s pretty irrelevant because the less important European cups didn't mean half as much or get half the attention.
I have loved city since 1992. Went to the kipax last stand. Opening of new kipax against Tottenham. Went to end of era Maine road and many Eastlands matches. It's great being a blue!
You can't compare the reaction of fans who have won 5 of 6 league trophies to clubs who haven't won it in decades. The way they look at clubs, you can't win anything unless you have history. So those clubs get to keep winning. Aristocracy attitude at its finest.
If arsenal won the league this wouldnt even be an argument but then arsenal bottled it
The copium is mad
In the last 28 premier league seasons the winner reaching 93+ points has only happened 6 times and 5 of those have been in the last 7 seasons.
Josep Guardiola Sala. Know the name and impetus for your submission.
Higher the points are towards top end, less competitive the league is, why you may ask? simple, lower teams beating top teams, it barely ever happens anymore..league losing competitiveness..
@@ringlora2 no it’s because city are on a level never seen before in the prem. The mid table sides are still good and beat every other team apart from city and Liverpool for 3 seasons when they were also one of the best teams in the world
@@alecmorariu6291 Not even the best City team, how old are you? 2012 City side smashes this lot.
Fact is there is stupid money at many teams, look how much Chelsea and United have spent too, ultimately Pep is just a level above all other coaches in the game. Sure he's had extra cash, but this level of dominance shouldn't happen with the money rivals also spend, so its all Pep.
The spending thing is a complete fallacy. Chelsea have spent 600m since their takeover. It’s all about strategy and coaching. City sold Sterling, Jesus and Zinchenko. Their net spend the last few years is actually quite low.
United spend over a billion on new players from when Pep entered the league. They not only complaing but also are lying that can't compete with a state. They spend more last 7 years then Guardiola. No sense.
Was wondering when Brian’s annual moan about how Man City are ruining the Premier League would come out. Wonder if he’ll do the same about Newcastle in a few years time when they’re dominating. 🤨
He'll not be dominating for as long as Josep Guardiola Sala is in town. Expect many bouts of spontaneous moaning.
The main reason for the domination is obivously PEP. He is a generational manager, who doesn't come around often. After Pep leaves city, yes they will be top contenders but will surely not be a this dominating for sure. Till Pep is in City. I guess its just enjoying the football.
Also, on the point on City fanbase growing, on international market they are having a huge boom. They are the fastest growing club by a huge margin.
I can’t believe the incompetence of premier league clubs is being blamed on Man city. It’s all Pep and the front office they should be given credit.
People say about Utd winning it all back in the day, the difference in this era is that teams literally don't even try against City. Bend over, take the loss, remember how to play football again the following week.
It’s not even kids anymore, I’m 20 now and I’ve grown in a time where Arsenal have been quite irrelevant in terms of winning anything I have no animosity against them. It’s just how things go
Yet all the big clubs were supporting City, animosity towards Arsenal is still levels above City because they know the explosion of celebrations would make City' title celebrations look like tea parties.
These comments show the level of delusion on this table, everyone agreeing they aren't giving Pep and City enough credit. The amount of salt coming from rival fans even tho 'nobody cares about City'
Don’t blame city, we’re winning comfortably cos all your clubs are poorly run and not performing - united have spent more than city
When you combine unlimited funds with excellence you get Man City. It’s more than money let’s be real.
If you take their whole setup and applied to say a United, Liverpool or arsenal no one would bat an eyelid.
Ffp rules only benefit the clubs earring the biggest money as they will always be able to outspend everyone else, if a owner can afford to buy a player then they should be allowed to
Pep inherited an old peoples home. Sagna 33, kolarov 30, clichy 31, Fernandinho 31, David silva 30, Navas 30, Zabaleta 31, Yaya Toure 33, Kompany 30, Caballero 34, Nasri 29, Aguero 28 Joe hart 29. You might not like Pep or city, but please try to have balanced arguments. Discussing City without one of their fans present to at least pushback on your claims is amateurish.
Forget the financial side for a moment, because all of the big 6 clubs can spend and we all know it. Look at the football side instead. Pep guardiola is a tactical genius. He has made mancity team a dominance force in football. The players mostly don't know what goes on behind the scenes, their only responsibility is to play the game, and they have done their job quite well. Man United has also spent over a billion euros over the last decade, have they won a single league title in that period? No. As a neutral in this whole matter, I think it is stupid to put Mancity's success on their finances and forget the hardwork their manager, players and technical staff has done.
"All clubs spend" is a red herring. City literally lie about their revenue so they can spend more than they should be allowed to. Thats literally the point.
@@solomon_doors You are forgetting that it is ALLEGEDLY! It has not been proven yet. And yes, all clubs spend. Man Utd has spend over a billion, chelsea spending is well known, arsenal over 500 M since covid, every club spends, what matters is how wisely they do it.
Chelsea broke waaaaaaaaay more rules and even saw their sentence reduced. So talking about City is a bit weird. Do it in Chronological order.
even as a united fan i cant say anything but total respect to city. they buy 50-60m players and turn them into superstars. grealish 100m was them stepping outside of their own model. pep is outstanding but we will be back
Where can I find the long form audio podcast
Its not just currency inflation its transfer market inflation.
KDB whos probably the best Prem midfielder ever was bought for 50m 8 years ago, today Caicedo is going for 115m.
Man Utd fans live in a state of delusion, Sir Alex had financial dominance for most of his glory days, he broke the british transfer record 3 times in 15 months.
Big up Geordie for brining KG 👏
There have been more different winners of the league since city’s first title than during the first decade of the league.
He's deluded that Chelsea fan. If Abramovich didn't come in. Chelsea would've never won a title
He'd be supporting Fulham
City have spent over £600 M on defenders alone so i ask the City fans how are rivals supposed to compete with that when they compare Utd and others !!
Pep's so called exceptional legacy came with a £2 BILLION price tag !!
Then just get a billiomare to buy your club like newcastle and city done then.. would probably still lose to city tho cause ypur club is probably garbage anyway
foolishness
Money spent in the last decade
Man city: 1 billion
Man Utd: 1.25 billion
So nah this bs don’t work
@@dashawnballard52 It worked for City didn't it !!
United won loads and were able to buy all the best players...Rooney, Ferdinand etc. Were they ruining football...of course not. Over the last 5 years City are in 10th place in the transfer spending league.
The only difference between Abrahamovich Chelsea and UAE Man City is that the owner did not just go and played football manager. The ownership understood to hire a proper President, Director of Football. The owner did not just go and played football manager. Also the Chelsea fan can't talk when you were allowed to spend too much w/out FPP still Abrahamovich mismanaged and wanted to play football manager.
Full podcast ?
It's simple every club needs to raise their ambitions and hope they get endlessly rich owners, who can build that infrastructure
P. S. City did not win this season bc they were miles ahead, they just have the best depth
Josep Guardiola Sala.
Absolute LIES
Why is it a problem when City do it but not Utd? In the last 10 years 5 different teams have won the PL. When Utd were on top only 3 teams won the league over a decade. This isn't the Bundesliga so get a grip. Be interesting to see if Geordie still thinks this is an issue in a few years if Newcastle are in the same position as City 😂🤡
Don't ever say it's not a farmers league. You premier league fans say la liga and serie a are farmers leagues
Bone Saw United.
@@samkelorashuza5949 Serie A isn't a farmers league same as the PL isn't. La liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are all farmers leagues and have had the same team or 2 teams ontop for over a decade
@@CrimsonDawn91 Bruh the premier league is a farmers league right now it was different from other leagues from 2012 to 2017 not now. Stop tryng to be disingenuous lol. You know in your heart what I'm talking about but you don't wanna accept it
@@samkelorashuza5949 it's really not. Read my original comment. People had no problem with Utd winning trophy after trophy and over that course only 2 other teams won the PL. Since City started winning the PL in the last 10 years 5 clubs have won it so it's far from a farmers league. As I already pointed out this isn't the Bundesliga where Bayern have won the title 11 years in a row. The SPFL is more of a farmers league than the PL right now
to say utd did it on a shoestring budget is utter madness 😂 too many people who don’t know anything about football are given opinions
Am I missing something? Financials were published recently. City is 5th in spending in Europe over the last 5 years with both Man U and Chelsea ahead of them and Liverpool marginally behind them…
But the charges are aimed before that time period; there is a reason they were able to stop spending so much last 5 years..but between 2008 and 2016 they spent a great deal, and Mancini's time there is under investigation for offshore bank account and concealing true financial spending.
People forget that Man Utd we’re a big spending club also. No other club could of naught Ferdinand for £30M Rooney ect ect those figures were huge during that time
They spent more than us is 2016 n with no trophy
It’s not about spend, it’s about where the moneys come from and the rules on where it’s supposed to have come from.
… were [ *_are and continuously have been_* ]…
When Liverpool fans were telling you this over the past few years, people would just call us bottlers etc when in another time with our recent points totals we would have won 3 titles in the last 4 years.
It's fucking insane to lose ONE game all season and STILL not win the league. That's got to be demoralizing.
@@JamieReynolds89 while that's really unfortunate, it's cuz there was an even better team. You can't win the title being second best
@@JamieReynolds89Didn’t seem to be demoralising for Liverpool, the opposite actually given they won the league the next season
Go back to that other era and play with Klopp then. The rest of us will deal with the here and now.
@@caribbean_racer_rr3 fun fact: spurs has a substantially bigger uk fanbase than City will ever have 😂
I have a serious question, isn’t this united fan the same guy from Ted lasso (one of the 3 fans of richmond that hang out at the pub)? I genuinely want an answer because they look identical
Dope conversation
Man city hasn’t broken the premier league the Premeire league is rigged and who doesn’t choose to acknowledge that is sleeping real deep
And as it relates to the inflation it started with PSG and Neymar from Barcelona and man United paying 90 million for Pogba let’s be honest
if city are breaking the prem what did united do under fergie lol
prems always been overrated
Fergie didn't have an open cheque book and Utd played by the rules!
This is coming from a Liverpool fan !!
@@Mohammed-dy6xb fergie time lol
@@madaxwayne What does that even mean lol
@@Mohammed-dy6xb you must be young Akhi
No reason to compare net spend since 2008, the Abu Dhabi purchase, or since Guardiola took over. Man Utd or Chelsea didn't start spending in 2008. For the last 5 years, Man C net spend puts them 7th and has only one player in the top ten most expensive players in Europe. UEFA investigated Man C spending and their findings were overturned by a court of law. In fact, a UEFA agency oversaw Man C's sponsorship deals.
Acting like chelsea isn't as or even more egregious as far as spending goes is laughable.
They've broken the Premier league rules, that's for sure
You got proof , in court or document proof of it, if so send me the pdf
@@dashawnballard52 101 breaches homie, you'll get away with it tho cos of money dw
Its more to do with how the club is managed... How the money is spent..... There are many clubs spending similar numbers to City... When Pep leaves it throws a spanner in the works... (But I dont see him leaving for a longg time).
"I don't remember them", well you better get used to us because we here to stay..
Wow so when utd does it no one cares but when city does it “oh we are ruining the epl” the irony 🙄
whole video is cope dw
It`s just jealousy.
hate manu but they never had 115 charges trying to cheat FFP. Which your club sign up for you just doing what chelski did back in the 2000s.Oil money shouldn't be allowed to be football club owners
@@lordgscYe cause ffp didn’t exist before 😂
City are breaking the rules and United aren't? Lol they don't make enough money to spend like they do and United does
Funny how geordie all of a sudden wants clubs to be able to spend as much as they can. What could be his motive for this.
I do agree that Abramovich broke the Premier League by setting a new speding standards. City and Chelsea weren't in conversations or contenders for titles before they were bought.
We can say that city have an unfair advantage financially but in reality it is difficult to perform even with loads of money, Man Utd have the money and have been spending equal if not more money and still coming up short, although city resources are questionable at best, you have to admit that they have a really good board with amazing staff and vision that made them quite efficient with their money, I believe Arsenal could have won the PL if any manager was in Guardiola's place same goes for Liverpool in the last 4-5 years which is why they want to keep him for as long as possible, I think ManC + Pep combination is what broke the PL not the club alone, a guardiola departure would bring competition back (even tho they would still be favourites), the real issue is how the PL is breaking European football where European giants can't compete financially with mid-table premiere league clubs.
After Bhavs said SHOESTRING BUDGET.. I had to switch off. How many times did United break the UK transfer record during Fergie's tenure? Bhavs has to be like 18 or 19 years old with a take like that
Hit the nail on the head when he said some clubs are being run as an efficient business. They were never intended to be "efficient businesses", they were (mostly) formed to give working people something to break up the monotony of working. Something to look forward to at the weekend. The introduction of Sky broadcasting money in the 90's and the formation of the premier league broke football in this country, closely followed by the Bosman ruling that shattered all semblance of a wage structure. The game is now about how much money you have which then allows you to buy the players that are able to con the referees and VAR most efficiently. The game as it once was is long dead.
If FFP worked like it was supposed to, United would have ten more league titles.
Really nice honest video, this is how it should be 👍
Thank you KG.
Finally someone's calling out Chelsea's success.
We need to stop these type of conversations, or at least scale them back. I saw a graphic of premier league titles displaying the badges of the team that won it each year since the beginning and the way utd dominated that graphic makes City's current achievements look like nothing. If u didn't worry when it was utd, then why worry now
The “money” excuse for your own club being shitty is getting old . Every other top club has been doing some shocking business over the past decade
Its not about the money its about the manager. You look before pep other teams were winning. Even look back to Alex Ferguson when he was in charge man u won titles multiple titles because he was a great manager. Even before him the great liverpool teams when they go on runs of titles. I think once pep leaves it will even its self out.
Blackburn in the 90s was the initial blueprint for buying the league, the teams since then have just been able to execute it better.
Pep and city are playing the game at such a high level. To think they romped Real Madrid and Bayern this season is scary. Did arsenal ever really have a chance?
Newcastle even bought Man City former sporting director and building their model after City.
Come on. Pep had simply taken the mental game to another level. Other coaches just need to catch up. It's not just about the money.
We are Liverpool spent very little but have competed with City for quite a while.
FFP is there for united Liverpool and arsenal as the ‘big clubs’ to stay at the top and no one to challenge them. Why can’t an owner take a palace or a wolves and take them to win the league
FFP is there to protect clubs from doing a Leeds,Sunderland,Wigan Athletic,Reading,Derby County, Sheffield Wednesday,Bolton Wanderers,Coventry City, and Portsmouth.The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations (FFP) are a set of regulations established to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in .
@@lordgsc yes but I doesn’t allow smaller clubs to win silverware
Also you are talking about these charges as if it means something 😂 they have not been found guilty of anything and half of the charges have nothing to do with ffp.
Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak (city chairman) "I will 𝗻𝗼𝘁 accept for this club to be used as a diversionary tactic on poor investment decisions from other clubs. We've managed ourselves" Simple.
United broke the british transfer record before Roman arrived
The money that city spend has nothing to do with their ambitions thats the mentality to want to win clubs need to get better and buy better all clubs spend money most clubs dont spend wisely
Where's KG's sound thingie though 😅
United fan : “we can’t compete” / Reality : United since 2013 has spent 1.4 billion