DEBATE: Was Ten Hag HARSH on Sancho?
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
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This is all on Sancho. Geordie saying this is happening a lot in Ten Hags time. This just shows how many egos and toxic players there are in United. I'm an Arsenal fan but I back Ten Hag
I also think it is telling that Ten Hag said he was not training well. Sancho responds that he 'conducted himself very well in training this week'. That sounds like commenting on his own behaviour, not so much his level of training. It feels like he says 'I have not pissed about at training this week'. While Ten Hag just says that what he shows, is not at the expected level. And for Sancho to have responded in this way, even though he has hardly performed for United, I think it says a lot about him having a very skewed self-image.
you back him to fail right? 😂
Thank you sir, someone’s with a brain. I love Sancho but backing ETH all the way.. ETH didn’t even say anything bad, I dare everyone to watch the clip every time smh
No, first rule of management in any field is - criticise privately, praise publicly. Unless you know that public criticism would be motivating for that person, you don’t do it. So this is example of poor men management
Honestly, only in England would you see so much time devoted to discussing such a non-topic. Having lived in France and Germany, I assure you, managers say far worse than this in many areas of Europe, and players are expected to get on with it by their fan base.
English media is too reactive and soft !!. You know it when they throw their national flag on the road to hang LGBTQ flags !!.
the difference I think is how the media works in England, they're more... tabloid news type of media, so there's the need for public figure to have a more calculated response because English media can twist a lot of things from non issue into a huge problem.
Yeah its mad init!! Its like they do a football podcast or something 😂😂
It got your attention 😂😂😂
In Italy and France if players don't tow the line they are in big trouble
Players are so protected it’s embarrassing. Ten Hag was asked a question and he answered it honestly. What do people want? Him to lie? Yet we also criticise managers for being too robotic and not honest enough… it makes no sense.
People don't know what they want
It looks to me like none of them train
Bad management in all walks of life no one likes to be put down in media or in front of staff there,s a place and time for everything so I blame eth
@@frankfanton7770@frankfanton7770 Sancho has had tht same training issue at all his teams man city, Dortmund, England national team, now Man United. The guy is a mess..And after th Solskjear interview, I now support ETH. Solskjear is showing how Not just one but " players" were refusing to train. Imagine..and ETH said this was not just one mistake but he said its been a process meaning the guy has done it over time..at Man United nd elsewhere
there's already a good comparison, Arteta was asked the same question about why Gabriel did not start, his answer?
"I already told Gabriel why he did not start"
What public needs to know is that there's a reason why a player wasn't selected, and that the reason have been communicated with the player.
What's the reason? The public doesn't need to know.
Defending Sancho in this is crazy and I’m a Liverpool fan. You think Klopp can say a player isn’t training well and I support the player? What a joke
The problem is this people are too attached to players, the player power in too much at Manchester United
ten hag gave sancho 4 months off for his mental health, let him back into the team, protected him from the media last season.
as a £73 million player ten hag didn’t even buy, who’s on £350,000 a week but scores 4 goals a season at best, ten hag isn’t being harsh enough on him.
I don’t like Ten Hag but I read that and you’re absolutely spot on. Great take
100%. If normal people dont show up to work or arrive in late they lose their job. Meanwhile hes been sitting on his backside for going on 2 weeks and reports that hes consistently been late to training at City Dortmund England and now United. And now after the Ole interview where he bought Sancho for RW and Sancho basically told him I dont play RW/I dont want to play there and refused to do whats best for the team. He needs selling
@@dylanmikonowicz6021 his preformances when he came back last season were lacklustre at best, he doesn’t press, he pussies out of aerial duels, has played left wing and still had dismal preformances there,
if his preformances reflected his attitude, maybe you could sympathise with him like we did with pogba in 18/19 .
but the problem is that he doesn’t have a single world class preformance at united at all and he’s been here three years.
working my ass off and Spending money to watch baby terds like jadon Sancho is bad for my mental health
Ten Haag is the worst Man Utd manager of all time
Can’t believe that this is even being debated. Sancho publicly questioned his manager’s honesty: if it were Fergie, his feet wouldn’t have touched the ground.
And that’s before we consider his history of attitude problems that led to Man City giving him the boot.
He’s one of half a dozen United players who need to be off the wage bill ASAP.
Brian and craig supporting sancho in this situation and bashing ten hag perfectly shows their footy knowledge and hate towards manutd.
It’s been like that for so many years, it’s embarrassing :’)
Im loving man utd .. for the shitshow every week... couldn't have happened to a better club and fans
Craig making sure he will go shoe shopping with Sancho
The actual quote people are saying is out of order “From his performance in training we didn’t select him.” Follow up question asks if it was a disciplinary issue and he replies “No you have to reach a level everyday at Manchester United. We can make choices in the front line so for this game he wasn’t selected”.
How is that out of order? 🤣 what a load of rubbish
Pep called Calvin Phillips fat and not good in training, he never got criticized
Sancho is a child. You can’t get to training on time? Foh
It’s not for being late
@@JJ-vr7gl That's still an issue Sancho had anyway
@@JJ-vr7glthat was a reoccurring issue. That’s probably also part of the reason he barely plays. He clearly had attitude issues
£350,000 a week and he doesn’t have the respect to show up on time. Zero excuses. Fergie would drop you from the squad for a week for that. But then again Sancho spends half his time on holiday anyway. Must be nice ordering bottles as it hits midnight on Friday and you’ve just been paid another £350,000. These kids don’t know they’re born. It’s unbelievable.
Everyone under 40 can identify. Don't expect a lot of tsk tsks from this crowd
It's a cultural thing, I lived in the Netherlands for years, they're brutally honest (to a fault) if he's Ajax coach noone there bats an eye at that, but he's not adapted to the UK media training
Which says more about the UK
In any other profession if you’re late your boss will call you out. Sancho has done this with all the clubs he’s been with and England. Ten Hag gave him 3 MONTHS OFF last season, he’s been very patient
Small club fan slating an academy graduate celebrating their first goal for a massive club.
Sounds about right.
Hadn`t Sancho been english, then their is no way that he`d be this protected, Sancho is a bad player but he is english so he has to protected at all costs. Ten Hag job is too get the best out of the team and if certain players aren`t up to what he thinks the level should be then Ten Hag should be allowed to call him out, and if Ten Hag does then honestly the player should just shut up and accept it, Clubs aren`t a democracy, it`s a hierachy and Ten Hag is at the top, Sancho and players are on the bottom of that hierachy.
I also think this wouldn't such an issue if Sancho wasn't English
Ten hag probably should have lied about sancho instead of saying the truth to the media.
But sancho with that tweet basically dug his own grave.
This video single-handedly proves that opposition fans do not understand Manchester United in the slightest
Agree 100 percent
That and the fact Brian tries all he can to bring ten hag down and disagree with everything he does and blame any united issue on him beacuse he stole newcastles only hope of a trophy away from him
I don't know the guy who is supporting Sancho but listening to him shows that he doesn't have a clue about football and football management. He should focus on the PR business instead of talking about football.
ten hag is right and Kg is on the money.
You lot are pampering sancho far too much. Hes not taking accountability.
The problem is not about talking about it, but when someone is allowed to say something and another is not. Ten Hag and Sancho want to cry, they both can
No. The interviewer asked why Sancho wasn’t in the squad. Ten Hag said his training wasn’t good enough. It’s that simple
Ego is a big problem here. Everyone makes mistakes but an apology is the only thing away from turning things around... But it takes a lot!
The ego of ten Haag correct
The Spurs fan on this roundtable is a mong
this kick off group better than old one
In any other industry if you weren’t performing or needed your boss to wake you up on a morning just to get in on time and weren’t bothered in training you would eventually get sacked. He doesn’t deserve to play for any premier league club.
Sancho was United's best player during pre season. How has he gone from that to 'not training well'?...
So I'm not the only one to question this. Sancho and our youth rocked. What happened before wolves?
The press were told before the game that the Manager would address Jadon Sancho not being in the squad. ETH comment wasn't based on losing against Arsenal...
People are completely misquoting Ten Hag. He got asked a questioned and answered it by saying Sancho was not at the level in training. Never said anything about his personality or desire. It was Sancho who made it seem like that with his nonsense statement which has done what he wanted it to do, make people think Ten Hag said something else which is not the case. What Ten Hag said is true and has been a problem for Sancho since he arrived. He has not been good enough.
Ten hag critiqued ronaldo’s conduct after they beat Tottenham home last year so it’s nothing to do with his mood after a win or loss. It’s about setting standards to play not just for Manchester United but as a professional football player
Just had to rewatch the 20 second clip of what Ten Hag actually said to see why anyone would stick up for Sancho in this scenario and I just can’t see it 😂
But during pre-season the staff were saying Sancho was happy and training well, looking sharp and that was evident on the pitch even when he came on against wolves he literally changed the game, so what happened between then and now. Well in my opinion, Sancho is unhappy to not be starting and I see his point of view when you watch Antony play awful for 3 games in a row and you are on the bench the whole time I’m sure most people wouldn’t be happy and according to reports most Utd players feel bad for Sancho because they feel he was training well but they don’t like how he has handled the situation.
Craig Mitch said Man Utd have more statements than wins, that's funny...United also have more statements than spurs trophies in the last 20 years is even funnier😂😂😂😂
I’m a United fan, the answer is yes but Sancho has also acted incredibly unprofessionally, especially when you compare him the the likes of Wan-Bissaka who just got his head down and became our best RB
“This That and the Other.” - KG 2023
Does Sancho need protection?Is Sancho protectable? The pratt ;Do we really need interviews to be filled with lies?......the notion after loss is strange!
These man spend more time talking about football drama then watching and analyzing games
I think this show has improved massively ❤
Sancho is realising the same thing Joao Felix just did this season. He made a bad career move going to a team that doesn't suit his style of play. The way he left City then Dortmund, he doesn't seem to have good advisors like Bellingham or Haaland have. Clearly super talented though
Is he? If he was, we would’ve seen it for man utd and England
Maybe ten Hag was hasty but the ball has been in Sancho's court for a while now and he is the one that refusing to back down and resolve the issue
Even if Sancho was pissed at ten Hag for putting him on blast, it was the tweet that exacerbated the situation. During the international break they had talks and it has been made clear that if Sancho apologises for his reaction then ten Hag would bring him back into the fold. Instead, Sancho has refused to apologise, he's been out enjoying himself and there has been no indication that he even wants to come back and play.
My man Craig sounds like he’s got Sancho’s number trying to get him on Kick game
The Spurs fan is friends with Sancho.
I remember when this show had common sense instead of backing players that are lacking against their managers, joke ting
Pep guardiola called philips fat this is not a debate people are too soft nowadays
Phillips admitted that himself tho
After he was called out still
People are so delusional Mourinho used to do the same as well....
Craig trying his best to get sancho on kick game
Ten Hag did it on purpose. He knew exactly what he was doing. People who say "why didn't he criticise him behind closed doors?". Do you think he didn't?
This is a guy who was bought in as the highest paid player, who Ten Hag's tried everything with to support him, and he still lacks the most basic level of professionalism you'd expect in any job, let alone Man Utd star player on 350k a week.
Same issues occurred at City and Dortmund. In fact at Dortmund the manager had to resort to calling him out in public to get a response. That season Sancho went on an incredible run and was on fire in response.
That's exactly what Ten Hag tried. His last resort was calling him out in public, and Sancho's response was the worst it could have possibly been
350k a week and im supposed to feel sorry for him?
The guy shouting and speaking the most is clearly world class at waffle
Much better shows with these guys
If it was any other player or any other manager Craig wouldn’t have defended him , probably trying to get that kick game interview. What’s ten Haag supposed to do lie about it. Loads of managers have said way worse
This protection to Sancho is embarrassing, Mitch has made a dumb take , it’s bang on embarrassing
Remember years ago when this player alway get managers sacked because they don’t get their way, while they themselves are always sh!t on the pitch. Enough of that, time to get rid of all the bum in the club.
If Ronaldo was still there, it would have all been his fault.
If my boss says that I am not doing a good job.... I would shut up and get better or fuck off to somewhere else. This is all on Sancho
Question about if Man United won against Arsenal is a fire point. That's completely shown it all in a new light
Pep was critical of Nunes and gave him constructive feedback then stsrted him in the champions League game no issue with that at all
Pep called Philips fat in public and Philips said nothing, Sancho can go.
It's MENTAL that it's even up for debate. Sancho is obviously not correct. Any professional player should respond by kicking on, particularly as he's be given leave allowance previously. He's been protected once already and it didn't work. Ten Hag made the correct decision. If it still doesn't work then Sancho is entitled to leave.
Sir Alex Ferguson has men in Manchester United, now most player, Sancho specialy, are childish with lots of money. that's problem.
In retrospect ETH would have said the same thing even if we won , we just beat palace n he still said garnacho needs to do better
People who defend players like this 😮
Origi scoring the last minute winner against Everton. Even he didn't want to celebrate got the ball and tried running to the halfway line. Then one the liverpool player reminded him we're winning
Pep and City were right about Sancho from beginning.
Klopp and pep both protect their players. They are the best in the league and it’s because they understand unity and how to make that happen.
I thought Hannibal just tried to rally the fans and get the whole team going. I never saw a full scale celebration!!
Its not about ETH or Sanchildo, its Utd who is at real loss here. I hope the big dogs at Utd realize it quickly.
Craig is absolutely insane man is delusional beyond belief
Craig. Ten Hag made the comment about Sancho before the game
Dawg, it’s the kids first goal lmfaoo. Just hateful.
Pep publicly called a player overweight last season. Did we see that player react on social media and go against him?
Even Pep said KDB is not playing well and he won't play till he step it up and KDB didn't play for a while so wat wrong with wat Ten Hag said 😒
Nah what Ten Hag said was such a nothing statement. It had no malice to it. If Sancho was offended then he could have gone and banged on the manager’s door the next day and vented his frustrations face to face. It was childish
Which rival fan would put Jadon Sancho in his team?
What has Jadon Sancho achieved in a united shirt?
That Spurs fan, confused context with circumstance. The context of the question put to EtH about Sancho, had no correlation to inflaming the overall dire situation at United. Saying that, maybe he is right about the timing of the response but what he hadn't considered, is that questions around Sancho had been circulating way before the Arsenal match and we all wanted an answer. We got it and as a United fan, I am glad we did and I am completely with EtH.
Sancho treatment by ETH is all well and good. However why are certain players untouchable no matter how bad they perform ? Rasford has been terrible, last season he wasn’t any better but fifa fanboys touted his G/A. Now this season he isn’t getting goals even hardcore Rasford fans are questioning him. Another one is Bruno, when will he show up for big games, how come he cannot control the tempo of the game, how is he allowed to do whatever on the field and not get subbed ? Another one is Anthony, before his off the field incident, he performance was terrible, but would ETH drop him ? No. When will fanbase question his tactics, how come we still don’t have style of play. Does anyone know what are we trying to build ?
Bruh every football channels talking about just Man U what's goin on 😂
If Sancho turns the other cheek like a fucking man would, this doesn't happen. This guy trying to excuse retaliation to a simple answered question. Player power is cancer.
That guy in the green hat is deluded,how does think sancho is justified in any way??? He even said its okay for Pep to call out players becsuse they win😂😂
1:05 I believe he still says it
Craig is deluded. "If Ten Hag doesn't say that none of this happens" What a moronic take. Oi Craig "IF SANCHO TRAINED PROPERLY AND TOOK HIS CAREER SERIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED"
Manchester untied mangers doesn’t know what to do and what to say say
I’m glad sancho stand up for himself ❤❤
Last year ETH took serious flack protecting Sancho. This season when asked to up his input on the training ground that player goes into a sulk and goes straight to social media to whine. The manager decides what is a GOOD training session from a player and given Sancho is on 350k a week it sickens me that people blame ETH for what clearly is player power gone mad at UTD.
Theater of crimes unoooo >
The manager can treat his squad of players how he wants (within reason). The job of the player is to shut up and take it on the chin. If you have a real issue with the gaffer, you knock on his office.
You just described a toxic workplace.
A manager has most authority sure, but not sure it’s their job to be a dictator.
You added the caveat that it should be within reason, but ten hag made it public first. Btw I don’t necessarily think sancho is in the right either, but defaulting to manager’s view =right doesn’t sit right with me.
@jonathanmarkham1998 You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. All Ten Hag said was "on his performance on training we didn't select him" "You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line, so in this game he wasn't selected". Ten Hag didn't corner him in the dressing room, surrounded by the rest of the players and bully him. He just said what he said. Are we really getting to the stage where players can't take constructive criticism. What a snowflake. Take it on the chin and move on. If you're going to question authority or talk back to authority, expect to be pushed back. It happens in every walk of life.
Like Ronaldo said, the coaching, the facilities, the food sucks
Yes, keep that in-house. Don't challenge my work ethic. I am a black man. Lazy is the kiss of death at work.
Dis man basing his argument on “feelings” to rass
😂
Londoners representing Manchester 🤑
Players should be able to take criticism, stop walking on egg shells
Well sancho proved ten hag right
ETH doesnt know how to deal with players he does it indirectly. he will leave a good player on the bench and to piss them he’ll ask them to come on the 85th like he did it with a Ajax player and Ronaldo.
United gave no reason to why Sancho wasn’t in the squad like they normally do for example rashford being late and placed on the bench for punishment so ETH planned it. Questioning a player’s touch isn’t the same thing.
The Moment someone mention pep, doing similar things, DEFLECTION....Its Easier to train Harder, THAN TO IMPROVE YOUR TOUCH🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Sancho is failing the easy part...thats the problem...Ole used to protect players, did that benefit him or the team???
True geordie why you got these people on your show. What happen lawrence? Rory?
This is just children shouting over each other 🤦♂️
Sancho is in the wrong, but a good manager would handle this in a smarter way. Just say “that’s between me and Jadon” or whatever, so you dont start a fuss.
Stop comparing Eth with Pep and Fergie please. What has ETH achieved? Respect is earned never given. Manager or not you have to prove yourself as much as the players have to. People talking about jobs and employee. You think a new boss comes to your job and starts to question your attitude when he hasn’t even proven himself? Sancho is not the problem. No system, no style of play, no tactics. No one will succeed here.
KG needs to stop speaking so loud and quickly ruins his good points.
Casemiro was nowhere near Rodri last season
Good management keep things in house rather than diverting the attention elsewhere, leadership starts at the top!!!
There no bigger picture,sancho is an idiot for that response to his manager, you criticize a bad behavior then it’s mental health is brought in to the defense, being paid 350k a week and can’t be bothered to turn up early or train properly!
It’s not “arksed” it ask..ASK