How Red Bull have Exploited Ferrari's Main Weakness

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  • čas přidán 9. 05. 2022
  • Red Bull have figured Ferrari out. Both cars have been really balanced on pace this season, but whenever there is an on-track battle - the Red Bull seems to have the balance of it.
    So what are Red Bull doing to come out on top? And how are Ferrari not able to counter it?
    Let me explain
    Now the first thing to chat about is how different these cars are. And that’s not going over all the little aero bits that are different, or how the engine power compares - but in the general philosophy of the cars.
    The Red Bull is a pretty high-drag, high-downforce concept. But then, to get the pace on the straights, they have been trimming the car out completely. Running it very low and having very low wing angles for the past few races.
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  • @Driver61
    @Driver61  Před 2 lety +29

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    • @alalal123421
      @alalal123421 Před 2 lety +4

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    • @freerideshuttle
      @freerideshuttle Před 2 lety +1

      I'd like to hear a bit more about ho Russel did so many laps with medium tyres and recovered a lot of positions. That was insane

    • @Ticklestein
      @Ticklestein Před 2 lety

      Legit won’t, because you never said the trademarked tagline.

    • @krioni86sa
      @krioni86sa Před 2 lety +2

      You brits are emphasizing that is really about the car and not the talent of the driver lol Hamilton crybabies

  • @jamdc2000
    @jamdc2000 Před 2 lety +1439

    I still remember a time when Vettel did pole at Interlagos without ever reaching 300kph top speed, his average speed was enough while Alonso did like 312 or 315 if am not mistaken, how things have changed

    • @lekudos
      @lekudos Před 2 lety +384

      That red bull was a cornering beast!
      It always has dominated the corners even against Mercedes. Interesting to see a total change of philosophy though.
      Maybe Mercedes’ AND Ferrari are going for high downforce this year. And Redbull moving away from that concept.
      Now that Red Bull is fast on the straight, Mercedes’ fans will jump up and down screaming ‘rocketship!’, ‘30kph’, ‘drives itself’ all over the damn comments.🤣

    • @ivanbertoni7622
      @ivanbertoni7622 Před 2 lety +22

      @@lekudos finally someone talk about it

    • @SadMarinersFan
      @SadMarinersFan Před 2 lety +83

      @VERY EVIL PERSON FROM ILLUMINATI that 2020 Mercedes was one of the best cars ever and Hamilton would have broken all the single season records had they had the full 23 race season they wanted.

    • @OldStreetDoc
      @OldStreetDoc Před 2 lety +63

      The Red Bull of those days seemed like it’s minimum corner speed was 30kph higher than anyone else. That thing FLEW through the corners. High speed corners, low speed corners… it didn’t seem to matter. And Seb was a master at that. Webber too actually.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 Před 2 lety +18

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  • @kogure7235
    @kogure7235 Před 2 lety +937

    Makes sense why you'd go for the straight line speed in this new era. The DRS zones are made far stronger by the fact you're able to follow through corners much closer. You get to stay in DRS for much longer and thus attack more often. This means that your speed on those straights is far more crucial to both attacking and defending, and it's very effortless defending that doesn't cause nearly as much tire wear and time loss as wheel to wheel battles.

    • @edenbh3609
      @edenbh3609 Před 2 lety +44

      Most of what you wrote is true ,but the DRS itself and especially the slip stream are much weaker.

    • @ludvig7473
      @ludvig7473 Před 2 lety +18

      DRS and slipstream is weaker though as the car ahead produces less dirty air

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks Před 2 lety +32

      @@edenbh3609 DRS is still fine more or less. The slip stream is significantly weaker though.

    • @ole7762
      @ole7762 Před 2 lety +27

      @@edenbh3609 In isolation they are weaker, but I think what they're getting at is that it's easier to be in the drs range and therefore get it's advantage more often. (And it might even be stronger, as weak drs when you're 4 tenths back is probably better than strong drs 8 tenths back, and you wouldn't start a straight with such a small gap in the old cars)

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Před 2 lety +12

      @@ole7762 being 30m back with a 12mph advantage is better than being 80m back with a 17mph advantage for sure.

  • @shotarokaneda5922
    @shotarokaneda5922 Před 2 lety +582

    I still find it hard to believe that we are referring to the Red Bulls as the fastest on the straights and to the Ferraris as the fastest around the corners

    • @bigpete7951
      @bigpete7951 Před 2 lety +148

      remember 'aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines'? How things have changed.

    • @horcruxes07
      @horcruxes07 Před 2 lety +28

      @@bigpete7951 And then Honda happened.

    • @thehiennguyen9855
      @thehiennguyen9855 Před 2 lety +73

      @@horcruxes07 VTEC just kicked in yo

    • @lukadzidic8211
      @lukadzidic8211 Před 2 lety +15

      @@bigpete7951 Ferrari's engine is not much weaker t han Honda if at all... Look at the customer cars. the F1-75 is running very high downforce and drag which is why it struggles in the straight line comparatively vs the low drag RB18. VF-22 and C42 are pretty quick down the straights more often than not.

    • @Deltaexe190
      @Deltaexe190 Před 2 lety +16

      @@lukadzidic8211 never thought anyone would say the haas and Alfa Romeo were one of the quickest down the straights

  • @B6NZ61
    @B6NZ61 Před 2 lety +648

    For me, RB learned it's lesson in the last seasons, were they had problems to overtake Mercedes due to lower straight line speed, but were faster in the corners.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 Před 2 lety +9

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      @ramakrushnadash137 Před 2 lety +24

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      @tommiko8313 Před 2 lety

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      @Dstreet370 Před 2 lety +17

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  • @ukps9632
    @ukps9632 Před 2 lety +871

    It's 2021 reversed, Verstappen was slower on the straights and had to drive like a lunatic in the corners wheel to wheel or he had no chance. Now that role might be forced on Leclerc. He doesn't have to do it yet as he's got a points lead, maybe later we'll see some action.

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety +298

      Which makes Verstappen's performance last year just more astonishing, considering that with last year's cars it was way harder to follow close behind than it is this year.

    • @sairamr6886
      @sairamr6886 Před 2 lety +9

      Precisely

    • @div911X
      @div911X Před 2 lety +48

      @@reinholdbeck7097 very fair point

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety +118

      @@div911X So if Lewis is considered GOAT, then Max is GOATer.

    • @delishdida
      @delishdida Před 2 lety +14

      Yeah unless the next update help Ferrari charles will have to send it more often.

  • @theonlysquirrelybird
    @theonlysquirrelybird Před 2 lety +573

    Ferrari's strength is cornering speed, but it diminishes as the tires wear. Red Bull's strength of straight line speed does not diminish as the tires wear.

    • @michaeltrumph121
      @michaeltrumph121 Před 2 lety +31

      Good argument.

    • @edenbh3609
      @edenbh3609 Před 2 lety +37

      Boring tracks with way to much straights
      means straight line speed is the most significant

    • @djdrastic1
      @djdrastic1 Před 2 lety +7

      As long as Max can get that toe+drs on the straights he can keep up without having to overdrive the car.

    • @dannyjbr8870
      @dannyjbr8870 Před 2 lety +3

      Well said 👏 I'm not sure why this is not being made more of in the media. It seems pretty obvious to me but I am by no means an expert.

    • @watchnocatch171
      @watchnocatch171 Před 2 lety +5

      But don't they pretty much lose the same speed as the tires wear in the corners? For example, if the Ferrari is able to drive trough the corner with 250 km/h and the Red Bull with only 240 wouldn't they drive with the same tire wear with 245 respectively 235 through it? I don't know how much the speed changes in combination with aero. I would think that there is the mechanical grip and the aero grip comes on top of that and when the mechanical grip starts to fade the amount of aero grip should stay the same pretty much . It would make a bigger difference if the aero grip rises non-linear with speed so if the car drives 5 km/h slower from 250 to 245 it loses more aero grip than it would with 240 to 235, so the Ferrari would lose maybe 6 km/h instead of 5. On the other hand if you drive slower through the corner you spend more time in it and that would mean that if you drive 235 instead of 240 you lose more time than with 245 instead of 250. It seems that this might be not that simple. Probably it's just that the tire wear with the Ferrari is bigger than Red Bull's.

  • @sairamr6886
    @sairamr6886 Před 2 lety +284

    Max has been a corner attacker till 2021. This is the first time he's having a straight line speed car. I hope his corner attacks stay, adds spice to races.

    • @0megalul309
      @0megalul309 Před 2 lety +44

      I hope he doesn't loose his cornering skills like Lewis in McLaren when he switched to merc

    • @marco_1909
      @marco_1909 Před 2 lety +3

      @@0megalul309 can you elaborate

    • @furkan8213
      @furkan8213 Před 2 lety +63

      If you look at miami gp, you can see that max has taken the corners with higher speed (at least 5-10km/h faster) and wayyy risky than leclerc. He was always on the limits and managed it really well. I think max handles the corners realllllyyyy well even with less downforce than Lec

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety +54

      @@0megalul309 Lewis has never had any skills in wheel-to-weel-battles, so there was nothing he could have lost. He was always in a car in which he could easily cruise 20-30 seconds ahead of the rest of the field, getting waved through the backmarkers with blue flags, but as soon as he was in the midfield, he performed VERY poorly. Not even closely comparable to Alonso, Vettel, Leclerc or Verstappen.

    • @marco_1909
      @marco_1909 Před 2 lety +15

      @@reinholdbeck7097 yeah....no

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke Před 2 lety +161

    They learned from Mercedes last year that the only way to defend these days with DRS is to have insane straight line speed without it.

    • @TheJorgeSampaio
      @TheJorgeSampaio Před 2 lety +11

      exactly, we all recall HAM' car just completely swallowing VER's car in the straight at interlagos

    • @aimanazrie8944
      @aimanazrie8944 Před 2 lety +25

      After a very long 8 years, some of the teams have finally, able to make a better engine than Mercedes. Honda's engine development is just insane.

    • @AnshidSalman
      @AnshidSalman Před 2 lety +2

      @@aimanazrie8944 i don't think Honda were even trying during their years with McLaren. But yea,they caught up with Merc real quick after partnering with RB

    • @hectornecromancer5308
      @hectornecromancer5308 Před 2 lety +6

      @@AnshidSalman Honda did trying, and they were well known to be fast-developing. Their partnership with Mclaren is what sets them back

    • @rvind92g
      @rvind92g Před 2 lety +2

      @@TheJorgeSampaio that wasn't due to Mercedes being quicker on the straights at all races. It really was down Mercedes issuing a new engine for Hamilton in that race and turning it up. Bottas wasn't able to overtake Max on the straights with an existing engine whereas Lewis could with a new engine. Look at France for example, where both the Mercedes were right behind Max and were unable overtake. Later on when Max and Pere came from behind to overtake Bottas, they didn't even need the slipstream to overtake him.

  • @artysanmobile
    @artysanmobile Před 2 lety +194

    Verstappen v. LeClerc is the F1 racing I’ve awaited for years. Disregarding the cars for a moment, they are each phenomenally skilled, young and hungry drivers and it is thrilling to watch them compete.

    • @alunesh12345
      @alunesh12345 Před 2 lety +4

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    • @gp-oi5nt
      @gp-oi5nt Před 2 lety

      @@alunesh12345 bro shut up we're talking about F1

    • @asiasi1237
      @asiasi1237 Před 2 lety +35

      @@alunesh12345 is jesus a leclerc fan or max fan

    • @LigmaB4llz
      @LigmaB4llz Před 2 lety +12

      @@asiasi1237 we’ll find the answer when the monaco gp happens.

    • @zdravkovodenicharov9637
      @zdravkovodenicharov9637 Před 2 lety +1

      @@alunesh12345 *sone conditions apply

  • @imetzl9340
    @imetzl9340 Před 2 lety +113

    This tells me that not only does Charles have a great shot at finishing Monaco for once, but seems they have the best car for that track, he might win if he doesnt bin it again

    • @antonkirilenko3116
      @antonkirilenko3116 Před 2 lety +52

      Monaco might also be a slow enough track for Mercedes to be able to take the most out of their package.

    • @ikeaaid2450
      @ikeaaid2450 Před 2 lety +4

      @@antonkirilenko3116 oof.

    • @DS-md7mz
      @DS-md7mz Před 2 lety +6

      HE has to finish, it's only HIM who can prevent it (again)

    • @theglitch312
      @theglitch312 Před 2 lety +9

      Monaco is a track where you rely more on mechanical grip. And RBR were much better in the last sector of Miami, where mechanical grip dominates the ultimate pace.
      But that can also be setup related.

    • @drhanifp
      @drhanifp Před 2 lety +5

      Yea but ferrari has a big problem which is RBs power. If RBs manage to be in front of ferraris, they will pull away easily everytime they go out of the corner. And since monaco is very tight circuit with many slow corners, i think ferrari cant utilize their advantage.

  • @augustinedsouza2451
    @augustinedsouza2451 Před 2 lety +74

    Let's take a moment and appreciate Honda for leaving Red Bull with a beast of a Power Unit.

    • @sharpiefatah3657
      @sharpiefatah3657 Před 2 lety +11

      They are still their, as Engineering.

    • @jihadjoe
      @jihadjoe Před 2 lety +4

      Honda decided to stay, actually. Look it up, guess the results of the 2021 season was good enough to convince their bosses.

    • @augustinedsouza2451
      @augustinedsouza2451 Před 2 lety +2

      @boonie_MTB GP2 engine! GP2 engine! Eehhh!

    • @robertkoeck3801
      @robertkoeck3801 Před 2 lety +2

      Honda left Brawn GP with a winning chassis and "left" RB with a winning engine. So much respect for how they conduct themselves.

  • @matiasbiondolillo5217
    @matiasbiondolillo5217 Před 2 lety +121

    For me Ferrari's weakness right now is tire deg. Verstappen has a clearly advantage when the Ferrari starts graining. Once they get ahead it's nearly impossible overtaking them with that straight line speed, even with DRS

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety +2

      It was the same with Mercedes (or just Lewis? idk) last year. The Mercedes car ate its tyres as if there were infinitely many left, whereas Red Bull managed to go longer on the same set and still doing decent lap times.

    • @loveisblindness1352
      @loveisblindness1352 Před 2 lety +1

      @@reinholdbeck7097 Wrong

    • @naufalfarabbi3323
      @naufalfarabbi3323 Před 2 lety +2

      Plus the DRS effect now is less than last year generation car. So its important to have straighline speed advantage on this new gen car.

    • @iuvdisuhb-ld3ou
      @iuvdisuhb-ld3ou Před 2 lety +6

      thats just not correct, rbr had more deg in australia and bahrain

    • @squeakybunny2776
      @squeakybunny2776 Před 2 lety +2

      @@iuvdisuhb-ld3ou exactly it's amazing how quickly people forget

  • @GrEeCe_MnKy
    @GrEeCe_MnKy Před 2 lety +64

    Redbull learned from 2021 Mercedes and did it. Ferrari is being 2021 Redbull

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety +4

      If you're right, then this means Leclerc is going to be WDC and Red Bull will win the constructor's ;)

    • @Ghost-hj5jy
      @Ghost-hj5jy Před 2 lety +1

      @Ashit Kotian I don't want to count on DNF. Ferrari clearly needs to get their top speed better for this year. The 2018 and 2019 Ferrari ironically Ferraris would of been ideal to counter they're just like this year RB but where DF deficit in 2019 and major issues with the team in 2018 meant that while best car majority that year the updates wasn't panning out. They mirror ironically. Ferrari need to take their mind lessons from 2018 into account for their concept this year.

    • @theonlylolking
      @theonlylolking Před 2 lety +2

      @@reinholdbeck7097 That is presuming Leclerc vs Verstappen is similar to Verstappen vs Hamilton.

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety +7

      @@theonlylolking Yeah, but it won't be, as Leclerc isn't nearly as dirty as Hamilton, and Sainz won't be the side dog for Leclerc, as Bottas has been for Hamilton. But the error rate of Leclerc and Hamilton is almost equally high ....

    • @bryanperez5053
      @bryanperez5053 Před 2 lety +8

      @@reinholdbeck7097 You mean the same way Perez is for Verstappen lol. Hamilton put a great fight last year and things got heated a couple of times. I wouldn’t be surprised if Verstappen just wiped the floor with Leclerc in the second half the season.

  • @lavenderpants8695
    @lavenderpants8695 Před 2 lety +20

    The real difference between their performance is that Max uses Manscaped which gives him an aerodynamic advantage.

    • @backwardog1
      @backwardog1 Před 2 lety

      Noticed that sell out also. Just for a pair of silk boxers. What is the world coming to? What is next sellout for a Rolex or some round town grocery getter McClaren shopping car?

    • @JohnWiku
      @JohnWiku Před 2 lety

      Shaving those nasty pubes gives you 0.0001 second advantage 🤣🤣

  • @Railbird_
    @Railbird_ Před 2 lety +15

    What surprised me most is that Charles wasn't able to stay close enough behind Max through the slow section before the back straight to have a better chance at overtaking with DRS. Max managed to pull away there which, together with his top speed, allowed him to stay ahead of Charles.

    • @GazRsExtremeBrickMachines
      @GazRsExtremeBrickMachines Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah I think he was slightly wrong about the Ferrari being quicker overall at Miami. Max fluffed his quali run. In the Race Max pulled away quite easily, it wasn’t just straight line advantage.
      The only time Leclerc hung in was when he was being pulled around for 4 laps under drs and slipstream

  • @wekanye2
    @wekanye2 Před 2 lety +96

    My take on the season so far is ...... what we have on track is each constructor's best interpretation of the 2022 rules. Now that they have been racing, the strengths and weaknesses of each package are becoming visible, and these will vary from track to track. So far the low drag characteristics of the RBR car are working for them (at the Miami race at least). At Melbourne and Bahrain, it was chaos. The SF package was better suited. I guess at high downforce tracks like Monaco and Hangaroring, our conversation could be very different. That said, each constructor is in the process of studying their package, bringing tweaks where they see fit. RBR were not satisfied with their initial attempt and they at the second test, they made huge changes to the car, SF on the other hand, were content and they haven't done anything major as yet. Hats-off to the folks at Maranello for such a fabulous job. Its a long season. Next up is Catalunya, and SF have indicated that we will see their major upgrade. May I please humbly request the jury from issuing their verdict until the next witness has given their testimony?

    • @gistrobaguette7566
      @gistrobaguette7566 Před 2 lety +8

      RBR were not content with their first attempt? I dont think you understand testing. The car in the 2nd week isnt a reaction to the car in the 1st week or competitors cars. The car in the 2nd week is the result of, usually, months of design optimisation. The thing we can assume from testing is that Ferrari was many months ahead in design, which isnt a weird thing when you know they spend the entirety of 2021 focussing on 2022, or had their final update ready for week 1 of testing.

    • @wekanye2
      @wekanye2 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gistrobaguette7566 it's always risky to make certain assumptions about another person's thoughts ..... in any engineering system, testing and commissioning are part of the process to ensure the system meets the required specification. The purpose of the test is to ensure that there is correlation between design data and the operating environment .... the only reason why I would update a design that I have spent so much time working on is that I have placed it in the operating environment, correlated the performance with predictions from the model and either identified flaws that must be rectified, or I have simply spotted areas for improvement ..... else why fix it if it's working and waste precious resources?

    • @gistrobaguette7566
      @gistrobaguette7566 Před 2 lety +8

      @@wekanye2 i agree with this. But this is exactly what is happening. The car for the 1st test is the design that was finalised a long time before the actual testing itself. Lets say 6 months (but this differs per team and isnt exactly known of course). The team will obviously continue designing and upgrading the car from that point onwards and the car that they bring to the 2nd test is the car that they designed up until that point in time mostly. The 1st testing week is therefore indeed mostly used for correlation, and the 2nd test more for performance testing. This is also especially true this year with completely new regulations to not give competitors too much information. This style of testing was first used by Mercedes and copied by other teams after that.
      That is what i meant when i said that the car in the 2nd week isnt a reaction to the car in the 1st week. The fact that Ferrari didnt update their car between tests is therefore not because they found the week 1 car to be ‘sufficient’, it is because they brought their week 2 car to week 1 already. Same with RB. The week 2 car was always scheduled to be the week 2 car. Not as a reaction to the week 1 car.

  • @DJBOGOSFLOFFICIAL
    @DJBOGOSFLOFFICIAL Před 2 lety +13

    I remember at the Saudi Arabian GP
    Leclerc was going 315km/h with other driver's tow
    Meanwhile Pérez and Verstappen were gooing 335 or even 340km/h eithout tow. Guranteed win for them.

    • @kamata93
      @kamata93 Před 2 lety

      They never reached 330-340. They were around 320ish on the lower end. Ferrari’s were around 300-310. However at Miami Max managed 340 kmh.

    • @DJBOGOSFLOFFICIAL
      @DJBOGOSFLOFFICIAL Před 2 lety

      @@kamata93 Actually... Pérez reached 335 km/h on his pole lap. But yeah, only in miami that they managed to break the 340km/h barrier.

  • @NexuJin
    @NexuJin Před 2 lety +12

    I have always saw RBR as the team to look out for being good at corners, when there is a good combination of driver and car. (Seb & Max)
    But now with the new 2022 season regulations, it seems like a new territory where RedBull has better topspeed than the rest, which used to be filled by Mercedes or Ferrari.
    It's quite amazing consider how the "GP2 engine" comment still felt like not so long ago.

  • @nickschmitz7044
    @nickschmitz7044 Před 2 lety +1

    ONCE again my man this is a hell of a video. Please please PLEASE keep them coming. At the end of my day I can't wait to open up CZcams and see what you have posted for that day!!! Thank you for your time and energy you put into these videos!!! Keep it up PLEASE!!!

  • @TheRacePig
    @TheRacePig Před 2 lety +73

    The porpoising might actually be responsible for some of the tyre degradation, since that oscillation will compress the tyres and keep heat in them, which normally drops on straights, meaning the tyres have no chance to properly cool down, so they might be overheating? Just a theory.

    • @jasonmather3382
      @jasonmather3382 Před 2 lety +7

      Makes the most sense compared to other comments, I’m sure Ferrari will sort it out by Spain

    • @edenbh3609
      @edenbh3609 Před 2 lety +16

      Mercedes are porposing the most and in a more agressive way, while they aren't hard on tyres at all and actually have a hard time to warm them up
      So the theory dosen't stand

    • @jasonmather3382
      @jasonmather3382 Před 2 lety +6

      Eden BH the porpoising is so bad on the merc they are lifting off at certain points, the lifting may minimise overheating, plus I clearly remember Lewis getting on the radio stating the tyres are overheating and him running wide

    • @Dorfus2323
      @Dorfus2323 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jasonmather3382 What if their new updates make the Ferrari bounce even more? There is only one team that can kind of simulate this from what I understood and it is Red Bull.
      And Spain is the next race so... They really need to hurry because it wasn't quite sure if they would make it in time.
      Red Bull is still on a diet so that straight line speed keeps going up. 20 km/h is a huge difference already, that is something Ferrari will not be able to close that easy without slimming down it's bulky design to reduce drag. Mercedes should be the car with the least amount of drag by their zero sidepods, Red Bull is somewhere close to Mercedes compared to other teams. Imagine Red Bull has brought it's weight down to Ferrari lvl, how much faster would that make them? They could choose to go with some more down force and also be quicker through the corners and still have that 20 km/h speed difference. At the end of the race when the tires of Max were switched on with extra power, Max did manage to pull away again and win with almost a 4 second lead.
      What worries me more than this is the early engine change on Ferrari's side, I mean Saints only drove 3 race weekends with his first and Leclerc only 4. This does not look good, looks like Mercedes the past year to keep engine power high to be able to win races over Red Bull. What I want to point out is, both Ferrari drivers could not match Max in Miami with a brand new engine and neither Ferrari driver is driving with the updated spec of the PU. That gives them less a problem later on if Red Bull can use an upgraded package on their own or maybe even use this money on the feared upgrades aero wise and weight reduction on the car.

    • @bigsam9987
      @bigsam9987 Před 2 lety

      I'll go for this explanation

  • @thesnackbandit
    @thesnackbandit Před 2 lety +6

    Exceptionally high quality content. Superb job with the data visualisations and crisp, concise explanations. Keep it up.

  • @parvezsiddiqui1311
    @parvezsiddiqui1311 Před 2 lety +18

    But guys don't forget that Ferrari didn't bring any upgrade since the start of the season whereas Red Bull is constantly bringing upgrades so let's see upcoming update of Ferrari in Barcelona

    • @squeakybunny2776
      @squeakybunny2776 Před 2 lety +2

      They did in miami

    • @HIYAharry
      @HIYAharry Před 2 lety

      1 update every 4 races will be slower than a smaller update every race. Teams need time to test each bit

    • @squeakybunny2776
      @squeakybunny2776 Před 2 lety

      @@HIYAharry that entirely depends on how much advantage each respective update gives

    • @dunbar555
      @dunbar555 Před 2 lety

      @@squeakybunny2776 they ended up not using the new wings, because of the track degradation

    • @Steve46567
      @Steve46567 Před 2 lety +1

      If upgrades have worked as intended, then it's a win in my book. Ferrari are focussed on bringing a major upgrade, whereas RBR does small incremental upgrades. If SF upgrades don't work then it'll be a huge bummer as they'd have lost out on time and money. I feel RBR's approach is much better.

  • @Chuck59ish
    @Chuck59ish Před 2 lety +12

    This time Red Bull went for low downforce for speed on the straights and Ferrari when for high downforce for speed in the corners, but it cost them on the straights. Part of the tire problem was the heat of the track in Miami, the hottest track temp of the season so far.

  • @kendrox0994
    @kendrox0994 Před 2 lety +5

    For me it’s been fun going through the 2012 season and just seeing how the concepts of the cars are like 180 to what they are today lol. Speaking of course with the Red Bull straight line speed vs cornering

  • @Yetabronz
    @Yetabronz Před 2 lety +10

    Corner speed is great in qualifying when you don’t have to attack or defend so you don’t have to worry about tyre wear or towing. In the actual race you have to worry about both so straight line speed is better

  • @Jay-qm8cx
    @Jay-qm8cx Před 2 lety +89

    Red Bull is not a high drag high downforce concept at all, it’s the total opposite. The top speed doesn’t come from the PU, which Ferrari’s is more powerful. The low drag concept allows for greater end of straight top speed.

    • @nobrakes7892
      @nobrakes7892 Před 2 lety +23

      ok mate u definitely know more than scarbs then lol

    • @arapaimagold8088
      @arapaimagold8088 Před 2 lety +8

      Well, RB smoked Ferrari with 100% engine power in Miami. Even Binotto got furious and called RB is spending money on development.

    • @darkghost4890
      @darkghost4890 Před 2 lety +1

      @@arapaimagold8088 not 100% power mate the hybrid system wish has 10hp is not yet on and they wer 10k faster then the Ferrari but the Ferrari was running more downforce

    • @jacobe8501
      @jacobe8501 Před 2 lety +2

      @@darkghost4890 all engine manufacturers will bring a new ers system before September deadline

    • @Divergent19
      @Divergent19 Před 2 lety +19

      @@arapaimagold8088 It's the Aerodynamic efficiency of Redbull that is doing magical things, courtesy of Adrian Newey and his team (The very reason why Redbull are very strong at higher altitudes). That and Honda ofcourse have done a terrific job this year as well.
      Mattia has already mentioned that Aero efficiency of Redbull is incredible and to counter that Ferrari had to unleash additional BHP which didn't have any effect in Miami and Imola.
      Unless Ferrari reduce their drag without reducing the downforce levels they won't be able to challenge Redbull from now on.

  • @gauravdevrani4298
    @gauravdevrani4298 Před 2 lety +18

    This Ferrari is the exact car Vettel needed as his Redbull 2010-13 was infact a copy as it was not fast on straights but a monster in corners.
    Vettel was unlucky that he got the 2018-19 drag race high top speed Ferrari which was a dog in the corners, if he had this Ferrari he would walk away with the title as he's a guy who can rattle everyone if got a car with high downforce like he did in his prime(2010-13)

    • @hectornecromancer5308
      @hectornecromancer5308 Před 2 lety

      And it seems that AMR22 still has wrong concept to be suitable to Seb
      Good thing is, he's able to make most of the situation, as long as he's not under any pressure

    • @oj7177
      @oj7177 Před 2 lety +1

      Seb needs a stable rear, which ferrari didn't give him in 2019, and also a bit in 2018 too, because they wanted to challenged for the wcc, so needed both cars to be fast. Kimi wasn't a good fit, as he prefers an oversteery car, meanwhile seb prefers an understeery one
      So it really depends on the balacing of the car, and i suspect it's more towards oversteer, as leclerc is their no1 driver and ferrari designed the car according to him

  • @Meditech509
    @Meditech509 Před 2 lety +1

    One of your best vids yet. Just the right length also.

  • @jok3r906
    @jok3r906 Před 2 lety +12

    The one piece of the puzzle that helps Redbull... Adrian Newey. The man has dealt with many of these same problems back in the 80's

    • @bari2471
      @bari2471 Před 2 lety +1

      so did rory byrne

    • @jayb2705
      @jayb2705 Před 2 lety +1

      Don't forget Honda, going from GP2 Engine to now being best in class

  • @vycanismelodis
    @vycanismelodis Před 2 lety +13

    feels like we also saw this where hamilton was stuck behind gasly in imola, the rbpt had more straight line speed

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety

      But the Ferrari engine is more powerful. It isn't just the engine, it's also the aero.

    • @udit_shah
      @udit_shah Před 2 lety +2

      No, the aero package plays a considerable role. That same race, Pierre was held up behind Alex running a Merc engine and no DRS and was actually losing out to Alex on the straights too. Arguably, the Mercedes engine is the one that lacks power most compared to RBPT and Ferrari

  • @joeofoysterbay7197
    @joeofoysterbay7197 Před 2 lety +17

    Leclerc made a comment a few weeks ago, I think after qualifying, where he said Red Bull were faster than they were showing. I don't know if that was a team or personal thought, but it seems true, especially as they dial everything in and the cars stop falling apart. Ferrari has a challenge ahead. I hope they can pick up some speed. The car seems great. I got a taste of that battle and I want much more.

    • @wekanye2
      @wekanye2 Před 2 lety +1

      Look, I am also a big Ferrari fan .... since 2001. Its a long season. Ferrari hasn't upgraded their car as yet .... hats-off to them for making such a quick car out of the box. They have stayed in front so far .... this is race 05. With this new Formula, there is no quick-fix else you will blow your budget very quickly .... no wonder Mercedes has been taking it easy. They need to fully understand the impact of an upgrade before going for one. Correlation between track and factory (wind-tunnel, CFD and simulator) is good ..... so we have been told. So they should have a clear direction of where they are going. I actually don't believe that its a lot they need to do. My thoughts are that they need to trim their downforce ... the very reason why their racer porpoises so much and RBR less so ..... then they will have more efficient aero, and they could then drop ride height and benefit more from their powerful PU. I think the SF PU is much more superior to the Honda .... with all that drag, Charl was not so far away .... The next high speed races are about to be exciting. People quickly forget in 2019, Ferrari was stronger in the straights and weaker in the slow and medium speed corners. All that knowledge they still have and we will see in 2 weeks time in Spain ....

    • @chequeredflag05
      @chequeredflag05 Před 2 lety +2

      @@wekanye2 Also Mattia said they might be bringing some small upgrades in the next race. And that Redbull have been developing their car and they haven't touched it.

    • @Dorfus2323
      @Dorfus2323 Před 2 lety

      @@wekanye2 In my opinion Ferrari should have been further ahead afther Red Bull and Mercedes pushing development of the 2021 car until the end of the season. Ferrari gave it up from the start. The upgrades Ferrari have will work? From what I have heard there is only one team that can simulate the bouncing sort of and that is not Ferrari, the only way to know is to stick those upgrades on the car and see if they bring what they need to bring. But top speed I doubt. Then there is another issue Ferrari seems to have... Their power units were changed very very early in the season Saints after only 3 race weekends and Leclerc after 4, that does not look good. With a lot fresher engine they can't even come close to Red Bull that was still sparing their engine.

    • @Dorfus2323
      @Dorfus2323 Před 2 lety

      @@chequeredflag05 Ferrari did bring small updates every race too, Mattia said they would bring a significant upgrade for Barcelona but it was not 100% sure if they would make that deadline. The real question is, how many extra engines Ferrari will need after changing both car engines just? And these aren't even the upgraded packages. These extra PU's are going to influence how much they can spend too, remember the budgetcap... and these engines are the most expensive component. This is why I think Mattia was so nervous about Red Bull and that he hoped they would soon reach the budgetcap. But if they need to change every 3 to 5 races an engine they will reach that budgetcap before Red Bull does.

    • @M4RK_F
      @M4RK_F Před 2 lety

      @@Dorfus2323 Engines are not part of the budget cap, it wasn't last year either. Unless they have changed that during this winter, which i doubt

  • @S2KG
    @S2KG Před 2 lety +13

    Max in Miami in the first 10 laps was pushing really hard because he new that Charles tyres wear out much faster than his car and then overtook him and lap by lap was slowly pulling away from him.

    • @lennyschuessler3003
      @lennyschuessler3003 Před 2 lety +3

      Strangely enough verstappen was gaining about 1.5 tenths on the super twisty section of Miami (at lest from what I saw in the race), can't explain that one though...lets see how it unravels

    • @bigpete7951
      @bigpete7951 Před 2 lety +1

      Max wasn't pushing at all the first laps. He took his time, like he did in SA.

    • @S2KG
      @S2KG Před 2 lety +1

      @@bigpete7951 After the safety car and both on new tyres the Ferrari was much quicker . Max was driving like he was doing qualifying laps with in 6 laps Charles tyres started to wear out and max started to pull away again.

    • @oscarstegland
      @oscarstegland Před 2 lety

      @@S2KG The Ferrari was quicker because it kept getting DRS from Max, and still couldn't overtake. As soon as Leclerc was out of DRS range, Max pulled away easily. Hell, he increased his lead to 3.5 seconds in the last 3-4 laps of the race...

  • @charlie9ine
    @charlie9ine Před 2 lety +6

    Adrian Newey designed a great car. A few reliability glitches have prevented them from running away with the title. Ferrari has thankfully built a very competitive car but if their engine upgrades aren’t sufficient to leapfrog the RedBulls it will be a cakewalk to another Verstapen championship

  • @AjithKumar-uk1wq
    @AjithKumar-uk1wq Před 2 lety +68

    Miami win tells the story. One lap pace is Ferrari, but raw speed is on red bull. Max is the difference between those two, Vettel is really miss this Ferrari.

    • @askeladden450
      @askeladden450 Před 2 lety +22

      red bull was slightly faster on one lap pace too. max just messed his lap up.

    • @pornhubmante
      @pornhubmante Před 2 lety +6

      maybe if carlos didn't get overtaken in turn 1 charles would have get that pace advantage but yeah redbull destroys them on the straights

    • @canihave1dab724
      @canihave1dab724 Před 2 lety +9

      @@pornhubmante max would’ve passed Carlos in the first lap either way. Carlos was just trying to finish the race, max was trying to win.

    • @Loffacius_XVI
      @Loffacius_XVI Před 2 lety

      @@askeladden450 Do you have some proof for that or is it just a trust me bro situation?

    • @cult_personality
      @cult_personality Před 2 lety +9

      Really ?
      do you even correlate the 3 sentences you just written. first two are correct but how is " Max the difference " ?
      is it Max or is it the redbull technical team because of which Redbull have less drag + low downforce + high straightline speed + less tyreware ?
      some times max fans try to give him credit for everything, sky is bule yah...max is the reason.

  • @zn_sport
    @zn_sport Před 2 lety +2

    "How the turn tables" - Office reference😅
    RB from being corner masters to straight line beasts!

  • @eduardoportella4473
    @eduardoportella4473 Před 2 lety

    Very nice explanation again... clarifying things thanks a lot

  • @laszlokaestner5766
    @laszlokaestner5766 Před 2 lety +5

    Red Bull: looks after its tyres like a boss.
    Also Red Bull: has Checo as a driver.
    So let me get this straight, eighteen months after hiring a driver known for tyre management you become really good at tyre management.

    • @jitenderpratap447
      @jitenderpratap447 Před 2 lety +1

      because of perez red bull lost wcc last year perez is super ovverrated driver

  • @drnerd
    @drnerd Před 2 lety +4

    10 out of 10 for Scott's amazing ability to keep a straight face whilst describing manscaping's products! 😂

  • @svk86ua
    @svk86ua Před 2 lety

    Nice tech info, thanks, much appreciated 👍

  • @pinkbanana1276
    @pinkbanana1276 Před 2 lety +20

    Redbull are the bad boys of f1.
    Love their smart and risky approach!

    • @givemeabreak8784
      @givemeabreak8784 Před 2 lety +7

      Not at all. This time we don't have dirty Mercedes games with Toto complaining about flexible wings, pitstops, and all they could to hamper competition. This year we have clean racing cause Mercedes is not there to spoil the show.

    • @CrusaderAce24
      @CrusaderAce24 Před 2 lety +1

      @@givemeabreak8784 You mean like how RB tried? Please none of em are angels considering DAS and engine modes complains. Also Merc didn't complain about pit stops, that was Ferrari, Aston Martin and Mclaren.

    • @aimanazrie8944
      @aimanazrie8944 Před 2 lety

      @@givemeabreak8784 RB is just the same tbh, don't act like they've never complained like Mercedes.
      RB is first to complain about Ferrari engine speed back in 2019.

    • @anurag15271
      @anurag15271 Před 2 lety +4

      @@aimanazrie8944 but ferrari did had an illegal engine

    • @oj7177
      @oj7177 Před 2 lety

      @@givemeabreak8784 in 2012 rb ran an illegal floor at monaco and the fia did nothing. Rb is as sketchy as merc is
      Rb had a flexi wing last year, so toto was right, like how rb was right in 2019 when accused ferrari of cheating
      Ironic how you forget how mercedes has been hampered in these years
      No team in f1 is a saint when it comes to winning, they always look for ways to put pressure on the rival team and gain an advantage. Ferrari was very controversial in the early 2000s.
      Redbull this year immediately complained about mercedes podsless design being illegal, but then stopped because they saw it didn't work for them. Had it worked, we would have been calling horner
      christian "mercedes podless design is illegal" horner

  • @srujan2482
    @srujan2482 Před 2 lety +30

    well I think its also about max's driving skills because he still put up fastest lap times despite running on low downforce..i mean he carried serious speed in the corners and he understands the car

    • @Ghost-hj5jy
      @Ghost-hj5jy Před 2 lety +3

      I think the RB car still has great DF in terms of cornering they're maginally simliar. Ferrari need to be better honesty. The car just plainly back to their 2017 theme.

    • @Ghost-hj5jy
      @Ghost-hj5jy Před 2 lety +3

      I don't also buy it's more of Max skill I more attributed that Max RB has not that much less df while being much faster on the straights to the Ferrari. Ferrari definitely needs to update faster and more efficiently to close the gap significantly and then be head.

    • @akshanshsharma6994
      @akshanshsharma6994 Před 2 lety +2

      Mechanical downforce is still there with RBR just not aero downforce with low downforce setup. Max pulling 2 tenths consistently in narrow part of Miami proved that. In contrast Ferrari had 0 mechanical grip there and was sliding even with high downforce setup.

  • @loveisblindness1352
    @loveisblindness1352 Před 2 lety +11

    FYI Max was faster than Leclerc in the corners in sector 2 in Miami on the medium stint. It did not just come down to straight line speed.

    • @antonkirilenko3116
      @antonkirilenko3116 Před 2 lety +1

      In the race it was a Mercedes that set the fastest time in sector 2, btw.

  • @kimgehrke1572
    @kimgehrke1572 Před 2 lety +1

    I love your content and watch most videos! Please keep up the good work!
    If possible may I please give a recommendation; kindly ask Scarbs to send you his video instead of recording it over a Skype/Zoom call. The quality is not great and the worst part is the lagg. Overall not very pleasant. But 10/10 content videos! :)

  • @ruileonardo
    @ruileonardo Před 2 lety +1

    Great video Scott!

  • @thebigbozzy
    @thebigbozzy Před 2 lety +5

    But Max made an error his last quali lap which you ignored. We don’t know if he would have had pole or not

    • @canismajoris6733
      @canismajoris6733 Před 2 lety

      So did leclerc

    • @thebigbozzy
      @thebigbozzy Před 2 lety +1

      @@canismajoris6733 Max went completely off track, even if he finished the lap that would have deleted it

  • @rogermaris5
    @rogermaris5 Před 2 lety +3

    Great video, I wonder why you didn't address Checo not being able to pass Sainz on fresh tires. I thought Miami needed a bigger drs activation zone if there's only going to be 1 (maybe 2) place(s) to pass

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    • @Lands33R
      @Lands33R Před 2 lety +8

      Checo had an engine issue which caused him to lose about 30 horsepower, that's why he couldn't.

    • @rogermaris5
      @rogermaris5 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Lands33R appreciate the info buddy! Was wondering what happened there

    • @rogermaris5
      @rogermaris5 Před 2 lety +1

      @@alunesh12345 time and a place buddy

  • @Mikelectric
    @Mikelectric Před 2 lety

    the camera looks a lot better now, still a little off but better. great vdeo though interesting analysis

  • @fallenshallrise
    @fallenshallrise Před 2 lety +1

    I'd say there are two DRS eras, the single DRS zone era, and the multi-DRS zone era which we are in now. And Red Bull seem to have solved it. Trim the car to nullify the DRS advantage for others and still keep the advantage for yourself. Clever. These huge cars can follow but they make it hard to make any move in a corner without going off track. In the single DRS era cars with good cornering could open a +1 second gap because they had most of the track to do it. Now there's no time. Every straight is a DRS zone.

  • @rubenj6700
    @rubenj6700 Před 2 lety +5

    I am not sure if you are watching the same season as us. But clearly redbull have the low drag low downforce car

    • @mrbusta650
      @mrbusta650 Před 2 lety

      No, what he said is right. The main part that is responsible for the drag are the rear tyres. Ferrari with it's big wide bathtub-shaped sidepods can direct the air over and around the rear tyres, but to do this they have to sacrifice some downforce. They make up for this loss using bigger front and rear wings. I am really not an expert but I guess they didn't expect that some other team (like redbull apparently) can build a car with smaller sidepods which do not have the mentioned purpose but can create a ton of downforce with some additional drag. If you look at the cars without their wings the redbull has more downforce and more drag. It is a trade-off scenario. Ferrari might have miscalculated the effect of the big wings on straight line speed. It will be fascinating to see which concept will prevail in the long run.

    • @Divergent19
      @Divergent19 Před 2 lety +1

      Low drag doesn't necessarily mean low downforce. It's aerodynamic efficiency that ultimately matters. From Imola Redbull are matching Ferrari in slow corners and are destroying them on the straights while being kinder on tyres.
      Unless Ferrari reduce drag without affecting the downforce levels, they won't be able challenge Redbull from now on.

  • @LaSalsaNegra23
    @LaSalsaNegra23 Před 2 lety

    Love you’re videos mate, thank you

  • @MrMarioski
    @MrMarioski Před 2 lety +2

    Surprised you didn’t sneak in an aero reference in the manscaped promo

  • @rohannaik4761
    @rohannaik4761 Před 2 lety +4

    Redbull is a high drag high DWF concept? What did u smoke mate?😭

  • @NearioNL
    @NearioNL Před 2 lety +4

    So Redbull is Mercedes now and Ferrari Redbull? (fast on straight vs strong in corners)

    • @rohannaik4761
      @rohannaik4761 Před 2 lety

      Not really. Merc speed was coming from their superior PU. RB speed coming from their efficient aero whereas Ferrari have the best engine, not so good aero

  • @Malc664
    @Malc664 Před 2 lety

    The slippery track surface is different in Miami and with the heat maybe the downforce pushing the tyres into the hot track overheats them a bit. Could the extra bouncing cause faster wear on tyres? Red Bull is a clever team car setups.

  • @lukaluka4868
    @lukaluka4868 Před 2 lety

    I wonder how will Baku look like? Last years Max and Checo made all time in 1st and 2nd sector and Mercedes played catch up in 3rd.Wonder if it is going to be similar this year

  • @Rajat702
    @Rajat702 Před 2 lety +5

    The fact is RB hasn't done any major upgrades unlike Binatto said, RB out playing Ferrari by their setups which is clearly aero, that old man Legend Newey can pull anything from the car so it's bang on...Ferrari needs to extract some hp from their engines otherwise MAX will once again the champion of the world.

    • @willywonka5459
      @willywonka5459 Před 2 lety

      RB literally changed their sidepods after Bahrein tests.

    • @Rajat702
      @Rajat702 Před 2 lety +1

      @@willywonka5459 yess..that is what iam saying, RB's strength is aero...so it's going to be difficult for Ferrari.

  • @patrickrkruger
    @patrickrkruger Před 2 lety +17

    I don't think Ferrari was quickest in qualifying. Max fd up a corner on his last shot.

    • @frncscrlnd
      @frncscrlnd Před 2 lety

      However, Carlos was faster than Checo. Plus, all of the drivers did plenty of mistakes, Charles included, due to them not knowing the track perfectly

    • @reinholdbeck7097
      @reinholdbeck7097 Před 2 lety

      The cars are basically equally fast. The tiny differences in the laptimes in quali are due to the drivers. THAT'S what we've been waiting for for SO LONG: two drivers in different teams, but equally fast cars fighting for the title. I can't remember when this was the case the last time ..... must have been 2010 or even 2008 ....

    • @hiran4935
      @hiran4935 Před 2 lety +1

      He fucked up because he was pushing the car over it's capabilities

  • @PbPomper
    @PbPomper Před 2 lety +1

    I think Max could also have taken pole in Miami. It was just 2 tenths and Max only set a banker lap. But then again, Ferrari could have probably also done a bit more. It's quite tight in qualifying though.

  • @cobratraps5299
    @cobratraps5299 Před 2 lety

    I feel it more comes down to the track profile. If you have a lot of straights or full throttle corners it favors the Red Bulls. Saudi, Miami and Imola which Max won, were all tracks with long straights or full throttle cornering. The next two races will have a very different track layout though.

  • @alphatrion100
    @alphatrion100 Před 2 lety +4

    ❤ Honda ❤

  • @yawNa
    @yawNa Před 2 lety +6

    Horner is a trick master. Forced FIA into an engine freeze when they knew they had a 🚀. Honda power.

  • @zeekot4064
    @zeekot4064 Před 2 lety +1

    Yeah, but binotto made a good point after the Miami race saying Ferrari haven’t made any upgrade really since first race meanwhile Red Bull has

  • @brunomanco7529
    @brunomanco7529 Před 2 lety

    Are gearbox gears and final drive free to change to suit to each track ???

  • @CptBluto
    @CptBluto Před 2 lety +10

    Usually I find these videos helpful but watching this video actually made me more confused... How could a high drag high downforce set up be faster on the straights than a low drag set up?

    • @2b134
      @2b134 Před 2 lety +4

      I agree it is a bit unclear, I think the high downforce aero allows them to run less wing angle therefore less drag but I may be incorrect

    • @doughill5487
      @doughill5487 Před 2 lety +1

      Car is high downforce, which allows for less wing.

    • @theouts1der
      @theouts1der Před 2 lety +1

      i think he was not talking about faster on jst straights, he was talking about faster over all, on how ferrari was 1-2 in miami qualifing as their car was high downforce high drag but also a powerfull PU for a decent straight speed!
      but RBR was massive in straights so during race when ferrari tyres degraded a lot, RBR just deleted them in straights!
      this is my understanding!

    • @mcmo695
      @mcmo695 Před 2 lety +1

      This are only guesses. Maybe the video is completely wrong. Only way to find out wich car has less drag is to let them run with the exact same sized rear wing (or level of downforce). Also we need to know wich engine has more bhp.

    • @Marc98338
      @Marc98338 Před 2 lety +3

      RBR is very low drag but high downforce from the floor.

  • @cult_personality
    @cult_personality Před 2 lety +3

    as a Lec fan ...i am pretty sure if anyone its only leclerc that can show max some starts in daylight .
    but only if ....ferrari can fooking match RB. everything RB does sply the match strategy stuff is spot on, everything looks synchronized. on the spot, insted at Ferrari they dont react to situations like pitting Lec under safty car ( if that was opposite Max would have pitted 101% ). pitstops are crap 3.5 - 5.4 etc almost 2 second down on RB. Max has best wingman in f1 at the mo. at imola parez didnt let Charles through while sainz couldn't even hold til first corner.
    bit worried , i dont think Ferrari are a match for RB strategically. looks like reminiscent of 2018 season.

    • @givemeabreak8784
      @givemeabreak8784 Před 2 lety +2

      They didn't have any new medium tyres left. Was no point changing the hards cause they were almost new and take 3-5 laps for hards to get in optimum temperature window.

    • @cult_personality
      @cult_personality Před 2 lety +1

      @@givemeabreak8784
      got that medium tyre thing but ..for me thats again lack of strategy. Safety Car stopage is important incident in every race specially if its a street circuit. Every possibility should be well prepared including having options on tyres . As i said RB would have definitely pitted max if we reverse the situation. ffs that's how they won title last year. RB are too sharp. if Ferrari will keep on having such excuses they should forget both titles. Whoever is their head of race strategy is a passive P*ssy guy who is only reactive not some one who thinks 1 step ahead.

    • @givemeabreak8784
      @givemeabreak8784 Před 2 lety +1

      @@cult_personality Agree. They should be prepared for everything.

  • @westvideos
    @westvideos Před 2 lety

    There isn’t a driver61 podcast or is there? Would be great!

  • @Richardtv1968
    @Richardtv1968 Před 2 lety

    Different drivingstyles between Max and Charles also influence the way the tyres behave. Charles and Carlos have a much more aggressive style, hence the tyre degradation

  • @Sandman73.
    @Sandman73. Před 2 lety +3

    Let's see Ferrari bring those upgrades in Spain. mguh turning the engines up and new floor.. I'm starting to think Ferrari is playing the long game with there upgrades were r.b is hitting the ground running with the imola upgrades.. this may turn around if r.b aren't careful with there early season upgrades

    • @anyonecanwin1462
      @anyonecanwin1462 Před 2 lety

      I think rb are showing off with the new upgrades. When Ferrari come with there’s I think rb will be like why we blow it all out early n

  • @hansthecreator7172
    @hansthecreator7172 Před 2 lety +23

    What are you talking about? Red Bull has built more efficient, low drag car, not Ferrari. That’s why they could keep up with Ferrari in the slow sections and not giving up their top speed advantage while having better tyre deg than Ferrari despite running lower wing and despite Ferrari having more powerful engine.

    • @edenbh3609
      @edenbh3609 Před 2 lety +4

      Is that based on anything but pure speculation? Ferrari has the stronger engine ?
      Where did that conclusion come from

    • @eoghanburke2581
      @eoghanburke2581 Před 2 lety

      Yeah I wonder if they got mixed up

    • @gpaje
      @gpaje Před 2 lety

      True it's a low drag car, but I don't think Ferrari has the more powerful engine, not yet.

    • @loveisblindness1352
      @loveisblindness1352 Před 2 lety +1

      @@edenbh3609 GPS Figures

    • @doughill5487
      @doughill5487 Před 2 lety

      Does anyone listen? High downforce car means ability to run less wing. Hence faster on the straights.

  • @superorangejuice1
    @superorangejuice1 Před 2 lety

    Nice video the competition between Redbull and Ferrari is refreshing to see! Bit of feedback - maybe don't start the video with an ad for Manscaped, it's quite irritating to start a video with an ad.

  • @drhanifp
    @drhanifp Před 2 lety

    Yup but RB's only weakness is reliability. After i watched the last gp, I feel like they are running on thin line and they look like they are sacrificing a bit on qualifying so that the engine would survive through the race.

  • @petef15
    @petef15 Před 2 lety +4

    I love red bull as a team. They quite often don't have the outright quickest car in terms of lap time but always manage to compete with clever strategies.

    • @livefast-xc8lm
      @livefast-xc8lm Před 2 lety

      They definitely have the quickest car in important areas. So overall they have the fastest car. Fastest top speed.

  • @BicZippo
    @BicZippo Před 2 lety +45

    I’m a merc fan but let’s not forget who is driving the bull. He’s the X factor

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Před 2 lety +9

      Verstappen is so overrated it's baffling, he's great, but people act like his career has been incredible when it's been a bit poor to start with and then decent. Edit: he's in F1 that's talented already, just he's not the X factor for an F1 driver he's above average for an F1 driver, which is obviously amazing in general.

    • @xephanyoung8512
      @xephanyoung8512 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Alex-cw3rz true

    • @jaimesrk
      @jaimesrk Před 2 lety +24

      @@Alex-cw3rz You're kidding right. Either that or just very poor at spotting talent.

    • @wellwell7950
      @wellwell7950 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Alex-cw3rz very true, he only one when he had the best car by miles and with only one team who was competitive for only half the season. His career before 2018 is pretty middle of the road and we have to remember although the Merc was the best the red bull was never far behind and in 2021 was better.

    • @zippo5294
      @zippo5294 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Alex-cw3rz I’m not a huge fan of the guy to say the least but I have to recognise is talent 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @guitarman...
    @guitarman... Před 2 lety +1

    If any of you guys watch Motogp, you would know why the Ferrari uses up more Tyre despite a high downforce setup. You see, with a high downforce, there is more grip produced by loading up the tyres. This increased load heats up the carcass of tyre. However, with lesser downforce but more slip, the carcass never overheats but only the surface of the tyre increases in temperature. It is however the overheated carcass that reduces tyre life and grip and not the hotter surface.
    The tyre companies learnt this in Motogp back when Gary Mccoy changed his style and started sliding and smoking the rear tyre excessively and was beating the smooth measured riders. This went totally against the common knowledge at that time. With a little research, this is what the tyre companies concluded. This not only changed the way tyres were constructed in Motogp, but also the way the bikes were ridden in race conditions.

  • @chanahasnomana
    @chanahasnomana Před 2 lety

    I remember seeing the onboard telemetry showing max reach 335kph in the long straight last weekend. I think that was the fastest a 2022 car has been in a straight line yet.

  • @tuomasholo
    @tuomasholo Před 2 lety +5

    RBR has done a better job adapting their car at each track and the differing conditions. It also helps to have the best driver on the grid. But as the cost cap comes into play later in the season, Ferrari will start winning.

  • @Michallote
    @Michallote Před 2 lety +4

    Just wait for the high downforce tracks. Such as the RedBull ring. There will be a fisty fight there. Funnily Ferrari will have the upper hand there in RB home. After they were humiliated in Imola

    • @ver3316
      @ver3316 Před 2 lety +5

      Red bull ring is not a high downforcr track…

    • @OmegaF77
      @OmegaF77 Před 2 lety +2

      Redbull Ring is pretty much all straights.

    • @Dre_The_Millennial
      @Dre_The_Millennial Před 2 lety +2

      Red Bull ring is a power track with low/medium downforce requirements. Ferrari should do well at Catalunya and Monaco but get destroyed at Baku and Montreal.

    • @Michallote
      @Michallote Před 2 lety

      @@ver3316 hey wait a minute. RB dominated there historically because they are cornering beasts. Why are they good there if Mercs always had better straight line speed

    • @gelmir7322
      @gelmir7322 Před 2 lety +1

      RB is good in corners because of their small nimble car (compared to Mercedes).
      Mercedes have a high downforce for fast corners (High downforce don't really helped them in tight corners like Baku or Monaco)

  • @davestagner
    @davestagner Před 2 lety

    Analysis like this is why Driver61 is the best F1 channel on CZcams.

  • @Kombivar
    @Kombivar Před 2 lety

    Great insight! Great analysis. Waiting for memes to top up the cake :)

  • @Jay-qm8cx
    @Jay-qm8cx Před 2 lety +4

    Ferrari is higher downforce because they’re trying to maximise their advantage around corners. Red Bull is low drag, and to maximise the top speed advantage, they run lower downforce.

    • @launchsquid
      @launchsquid Před 2 lety

      Ferrari is a lower drag concept that they are running in a high downforce configuration, Redbull are the opposite.
      You're confusing how the teams have been setting their cars up for the races so far with their fundamental design concept.
      Just think it through a bit, if Redbull were the lower drag design they would never be able to stay competitive against Ferrari with such a low downforce wing configuration, they would be so slow through the corners and would enter the straights at a lower speed so wouldn't get the top speed at the other end, but because their car has a fundamental downforce advantage they can run lower wings whilst still being fast enough through the corners to be able to get to the higher speeds at the end of the straights.
      Your corner speed is directly related to your top speed down the following straight, if your too slow in the corner you won't make it up down the straight.

    • @Jay-qm8cx
      @Jay-qm8cx Před 2 lety

      @@launchsquid I see what you’re saying. Maybe I was wrong lol.

  • @the1gladiator2
    @the1gladiator2 Před 2 lety +5

    Leclerc made an error at the last corner of lap 8 that cost him 6 tenths. And that was after several minor mistakes in the previous couple of laps that brought Verstappen into DRS range. That's why Leclerc was "easily" overtaken. When the roles were reversed Verstappen didn't make these mistakes.
    If you look at top speed there is only a 2.1 kph difference between Leclerc and Verstappen.

    • @bossmodus5020
      @bossmodus5020 Před 2 lety

      Verstappen is like Senna & Schumi.

    • @the1gladiator2
      @the1gladiator2 Před 2 lety +2

      @@delusion2987 I would argue your comment is even more misleading. and that's not really an argument, more a statement of fact.
      The top speed in qualifying is much more about where different drivers deploy their energy during the lap. For instance Leclerc was quicker on the speed trap in sector 1 and sector 2. Furthermore it wasn't even 10 kph, it was 8.7 kph in only one speed trap.
      The race gives a much better indication because drivers aren't draining the entire battery on a straight and the differences average out.
      "Of course, if max didn't use his battery correctly and was only 2.1 kph faster on that straight, that's on him"
      Oh and if Leclerc was 8.7 kph slower in qualifying then it is not on him, then suddenly it is all on the car? Can you at least try to be logically consistent? I have enough patience for silly arguments, not so much for dishonest ones.

  • @merwynmoffatt6608
    @merwynmoffatt6608 Před 2 lety +1

    Wait im confused, ferrari high downforce setup how? I thought they had low downforce as binotto said they are getting low downforce wings for those straights also the race in their artical said theyv got low downforce wings

  • @joaovitorsilvagohl682
    @joaovitorsilvagohl682 Před 2 lety

    I saw an analysis of the race data and the RB is also quicker on the slow corners.

  • @TheBlackopsbeast360
    @TheBlackopsbeast360 Před 2 lety +4

    My theory is that with higher top speed, they can afford to push less in the low speed sections and as long as they get a good exit onto the straights, they’ll make up their lap times there.
    Ferrari is getting its lap time from the corners which means they’re having to push to maintain lower lap times, punishing the tires more.

    • @Dorfus2323
      @Dorfus2323 Před 2 lety +1

      It does look like it, the Red Bulls lose out quite a lot in these slower corners. It is quite interresting to see how two concepts are nearly identically fast during qualifying.

    • @TheBlackopsbeast360
      @TheBlackopsbeast360 Před 2 lety

      @@Dorfus2323 agreed!

  • @etubrutus3501
    @etubrutus3501 Před 2 lety +33

    The most important aspect of coming out on top, is to have Verstappen driving for you.

    • @glidertastic5778
      @glidertastic5778 Před 2 lety +6

      Bro, Mazepin could have pulled that off easily...

    • @wellwell7950
      @wellwell7950 Před 2 lety +1

      Is this a joke? Why are you hyping him up so much, he's great but come on 10 seconds faster than perez who will have been told to not fight Verstappen when they were next to each other on the grid is not the best performance ever. It shows he's a little above average for now, earlier on his career pretty bog standard.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Před 2 lety

      What is this obsession with Verstappen that you rate him as the greatest driver ever, he didn't even do better than expected he did better than standard for a driver in the top car, but that's it.

    • @bennynagon9322
      @bennynagon9322 Před 2 lety

      But I thought it was all car and no driver all these years with Merc on top?

    • @akshaylavakare2750
      @akshaylavakare2750 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Alex-cw3rz The same can apply for Hamilton at Mercedes which obviously isn't true. Just appreciate the battle man. No need to disrespect the drivers.

  • @danimalplanet18
    @danimalplanet18 Před 2 lety

    I think because of the power unit development freeze for the upcoming years, Red Bull decided to max their power units out even at the expense of reliability and have a decisive advantage there for now and the upcoming three seasons as well (because: development freeze). As for driveability, reliability and traction, those are things where they can catch up, relying on their impressive R&D experience. So Red Bull is ahead in a field where it's virtually impossible to catch up, while they may improve on things they aren't very much behind in to begin with. If the thing holds together it is looking very well for the Max/Red Bull combination.

  • @naufalpahlevi8976
    @naufalpahlevi8976 Před 2 lety

    Did anyone notice that the fact Checo is a Tyre Whisperer and Max is just phenomenal with his Overtaking skills..
    It means Redbull technically didn't need to be so worried about their tyres as long as they can easing up the overtaking possibilities.. Leave the tyres to their skilled driver..
    What a genius solution.. The question though, how long their reliability could hold on

  • @pranc236
    @pranc236 Před 2 lety +6

    To quote max… “its all the driver mate!”😂

    • @edenbh3609
      @edenbh3609 Před 2 lety

      And Michel Massi

    • @pranc236
      @pranc236 Před 2 lety +6

      @@edenbh3609 that salt get stuck in ur eyes? Max flat out out drove lewis by every metric in 2021’. Look up the stats, i dont care about ur what if’s or should have been’s.

    • @xenonentity713
      @xenonentity713 Před 2 lety

      @@pranc236 Max was arguably ahead in stats throughout the season but all it boiled down to was Abu Dhabi, idk whether it was a biased decision or decision under pressure, Masi messed up really bad with the safety car restart. If rules were properly followed, Lewis would have won but the race was manipulated for the sake of an entertaining last-lap showdown, idk about you but it was unfair no matter how you put it. Hamilton fans have every right to be angry about the situation.

    • @pranc236
      @pranc236 Před 2 lety +3

      @@xenonentity713 stop acting like that was the 1st controversial ending to a race. Or season… many mistakes were made by massi, all year. Most helped lewis more. None of that takes away max out drove lewis.

    • @xenonentity713
      @xenonentity713 Před 2 lety

      @@pranc236 I am not questioning Max's ability, he did his absolute best in the car he was given. The topic of discussion here is the controversial finale, you can probably turn a blind eye to such incidents but what transpired during the last laps was embarassing. As for favouring Hamilton in decisions is not totally true. If you see throughout the season, Hamilton was aptly punished for his offences. Do tell me the "favours" you are talking about...

  • @stableianF1oracle
    @stableianF1oracle Před 2 lety +3

    Max is the greatest ... Lewis is a prune pudding

    • @aimanazrie8944
      @aimanazrie8944 Před 2 lety

      Yeah sure. Sadly he needed a human error in the championship to win the title. Sad.

    • @stableianF1oracle
      @stableianF1oracle Před 2 lety

      @@aimanazrie8944 You're right and that human error was Lewis trying to kill him at Silverstone 👍👍 Without that and Bottas smashing into red bulls max would have been champion 3 races earlier 👍👍

  • @siddhantrs4545
    @siddhantrs4545 Před 2 lety +1

    without honda red bull would have no option but to go with a renault engine
    so
    honda deserves some appreciation on that front

  • @fintonmainz7845
    @fintonmainz7845 Před 2 lety

    If Ferrari concentrate on improving what they are good at - cornering -it might be a better tactic .
    It worked for RB back in the Vettel days. Just a few KPH higher exit speed might keep the RBs behind or at least allow Ferrari to take advantage of DRS.

  • @noni_thebestjuice6981
    @noni_thebestjuice6981 Před 2 lety +3

    Ferrari is slower car and was slower car since Imola. Charles had no chance. It was a miracle for Charles to even get pole. I hope Ferrari can respond to RB’s upgrades soon.

    • @AmakingsWP
      @AmakingsWP Před 2 lety +1

      not sure if you actually watched the video, Ferrari's car has pace. But they cannot maintain it with the tyre deg they currently have, you will see them be quick in qualy as its only one lap. But the speed of the red bull on the straights nullify any chance Ferrari has of them trying to overtake.

  • @allanhughes7859
    @allanhughes7859 Před 2 lety +12

    Funny how we are all now talking about the car and not the driver. When Lulu was winning all his races no mentio9n of the car ???? Now it seems the car is everything
    how strange ?? Sadly Lulu still does not seem to have what it takes to beat his team mate ?? Over the years he has had many team mates and beaten them but this new team
    mate is a part and has been a part of the team for some time hence he does not need a seteling in time as the others did Hence Lulu always came out on top Be very interesting
    to see where Lulu comes out against the new boy will it not ???????? Only make these comments due to the media making a big thing of Lulu when in true terms it was the car
    was it not ?????? Whatever its going to be a great season !!!!!!!!!!!

    • @jellifiedonionroot1672
      @jellifiedonionroot1672 Před 2 lety +2

      😐😐

    • @suckieduckie
      @suckieduckie Před 2 lety +7

      Max fan here and when Lewis is off track I rather dislike him, but that is utter rubbish. A) Lewis has gotten some bad luck with safetycars but his laptime/pace is as good or maybe a bit better than Russell. B) Plenty of people give Max the credit he deserves and plenty of people were bitching about the OP Mercedes.

    • @allanhughes7859
      @allanhughes7859 Před 2 lety +2

      @@suckieduckie what a load of nonsens do we want to talk about his good fortunes as well ???????????

    • @suckieduckie
      @suckieduckie Před 2 lety +3

      @@allanhughes7859 Every driver has good and bad fortunes. Max got unlucky in Hungary last year and in Baku, but he got the lucky break he needed in the end. Those things usually even out over a season.

    • @allanhughes7859
      @allanhughes7859 Před 2 lety +1

      @@suckieduckie ok fair comment !!!!!!

  • @edenbh3609
    @edenbh3609 Před 2 lety +2

    Redbull are doing a Ferrari 2018.
    That speed is absolutely crazy

  • @christianknight7120
    @christianknight7120 Před 2 lety

    What’s got me excited for Barcelona is the development battle that we know we’ll see. Barça is Rnd. 1 imo because i’m pretty sure both RB and Ferrari will bring big upgrades, it’ll be interesting to see who wins the development battle throughout the season and hopefully Ferrari don’t drop the ball with this one

  • @OldStreetDoc
    @OldStreetDoc Před 2 lety +3

    I’m getting tired of seeing cars with front wings whose wing elements essentially lay down at high speed. Merc for instance has front wing elements that lay down even at moderate speeds. And at Miami their front wing end plates had half of the ‘corner’ (where main plane joins the end plate) which has to allow MASSIVE outwash - which was one of the MAIN purposes of the new regulations which were to allow closer following & overtaking. If that car passed scrutineering, then F1 and the FIA regulations are simply put - a joke.
    Outwash being a large part of the “dirty air” everyone complained about.

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      @alunesh12345 Před 2 lety +1

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    • @aimanazrie8944
      @aimanazrie8944 Před 2 lety +1

      Literally no one in the paddock cares about this. I'm pretty sure that all teams are doing this.

    • @OldStreetDoc
      @OldStreetDoc Před 2 lety

      @@aimanazrie8944 They are. Hence the problem. If there ARE regulations - follow them. Otherwise - who are we kidding? It’s not a sport anymore.

  • @Chris-nm1jr
    @Chris-nm1jr Před 2 lety +8

    I see in Leclerc a modern David Coulthard. He was a fucking fast, good driver but not on all tracks. There are a lot of them. Max has the "killer feeling" on all track, he is the ultimate driver.

    • @chequeredflag05
      @chequeredflag05 Před 2 lety

      No... He has been performing really well on all tracks. It's the car. He did put Max under tremendous pressure after safety car but when your car isn't as fast as the opponent. There is only so much you can do.
      Max is much more experienced than Charles at this point. He knows how to handle the pressure. But that's because he has been in those situations unlike Charles.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Před 2 lety

      "Ultimate driver" he couldn't even win an F1 season without the FIA (under their own admission) messing up the rules, did you see his career pre 2018. He's above average for an F1 driver (which is amazing for a general driver) this is why he always comes in at what is expected of the car the Red Bull is the best car on the grid this year and last and what positions is he coming oh yeah exactly where expected. This ludicrous worship of him is getting out of hand, he's great but how in the world could you call him the Ultimate driver.

    • @suckieduckie
      @suckieduckie Před 2 lety +8

      @@Alex-cw3rz What's ludicrous to me is that people are still sleeping on how good he is. If you think he's just above average you're either going to be really surprised the coming years or really dissapointed because he's doing better than you hoped for.

    • @rohannaik4761
      @rohannaik4761 Před 2 lety +8

      @@Alex-cw3rz leave max and look at ur idol Lapmilton. Dude cant even beat his newbie teammate who started wayy back in the grid😭😭

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Před 2 lety

      @@suckieduckie show me how he isn't just above average as his record and the way he is in races shows exactly what I say that's why you didn't address it. I find it fascinating that you think people are sleeping on him, when he's being called the "ultimate driver" for barely winning a race that it would have been more of a suprise for the car he was in to lose.

  • @tomislavnedanovski
    @tomislavnedanovski Před 2 lety

    It all comes down to whether Ferrari can lower the car closer to the ground and with the new floor eliminate porpoising plus increase downforce. That will allow usage of low downforce wings which will improve their straight line speed. Their performance in the first 5 races given their porpoising, low downforce level produced by their floor and not having a single upgrade until now is impressive.

  • @pjludda4323
    @pjludda4323 Před 2 lety +1

    IMPOSSIBLE...I think we need IN-SPECT-OR SEB on the case!