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Hamilton and Russell - they haven’t been having the best season - but one has been pulling out a lead in the points. And whilst both have been having issues with the car - they have both battled it differently.
So who is on top after five races? Who is getting more out of that Mercedes? The points say that Russell is on top - but do the lap times agree?
We’ve gone over every lap, of every race and we want to show you what’s going on - in the data. So let’s get into it.
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So first, Bahrain.
To give some context, Mercedes were the third fastest car - with Red Bull and Ferrari being a way in front. Mercedes were apparently running the cars ‘over-winged’, meaning more downforce (and drag) than they actually wanted, and that was supposedly down to lack of parts.
But both cars were immediately having bouncing problems, porpoising, on the straights, so had to run the ride heigh of their car, higher - which according to Toto cost them about half a second a lap. And that’s about where they were in quali pace.
But here is how it all shook out in the race - these are the lap times of Lewis and George - compared to the pace setters, Max and Charles.
You can see the Mercs were around half a second back on pace, across the entire Grand Prix - but actually didn’t see the same kind of tyre drop off that the front two teams did. Look at the end of each stint - here.
Now according to Mercedes - the pace in the simulator is good. But, that’s still the simulator and doesnt account for the porpoising - and therefore the performance loss with the bouncing - and the increase in ride height they had to make to fix it.
But fair play - they finished P3 and P4 after some dodgy pace (yes it’s down to both Red Bulls DNF-ing) - but they did maximise their results in Bahrain. And by all accounts - the pace between Lewis and George was very, very similar. George was less than a couple of seconds behind Lewis for the second half of the race, so he may have been faster - but we don’t know.
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I don't know why people find it hard to see a World where George is both a great driver, but has also gotten lucky a few times from Safety cars and Multiple Cars spinning out in front of him at Imola. Both can be true. It also in no way shape or form means Hamilton has lost anything or that Lewis has forgotten how to drive. Just like mentioned at the end of the video.
Man well said…people try to paint their own narratives in black and white and just simply cannot acknowledge certain things because it doesn’t fit the agenda they’re trying to put actoss
How dare you try to discredit Russell's start at Imola 😜?
Lewis hasn't forgotten how to drive, no, he is still very fast in clean air, in a good car, but he is not as good as George at wheel to wheel racing, in a car that is less than perfect. Could say George appears to have better racecraft
@@timjohnun4297 lol
@@austineeze5491 Think Hill Vs Schumacher. Hill was fast in clean air and usually landed on pole. Schumi was much better at wheel to wheel racing, and regularly beat him. Just as an example
Funny thing, George driving the best car he has ever driven (barring one race) and Lewis driving probably the worst car he has ever driven.
McLaren MP4-24
@@svr_armani that thing got fixed and became a race winner car mid way through the season. Idk bout you but I don't think that would happen I this cost cap era
Hehe yeah and it is still the 3 fastest car on the grid, just goes to show that Lewis has never driven a bad car in F1...
@@danishchannels3 It (the McLaren) was terrible until the middle of the season. A lot worse than the W13
@@johnbenoy7532 Yeah McLaren managed to turn the car around mid season. The cost cap makes things more difficult now but that car at this point the season back then was worse.
Finally some legitimate research and facts! I'm so tired of the unnecessary hate and needless fan drama. These drivers are skilled regardless the position they are in right now.
Right. Both are great, George is just slightly better than Lewis. Fair enough.
@@TheRealMafoo Well the data doesn't support that claim
@@TheRealMafoo wtf Dude are you high watch video
@@TheRealMafoo bait.
@@Louis-gh1td Yep. The OP said it didn't matter, and stop the hate. I agreed with him and got hate. That was the only point of the post. It is accurate, however.
Not to compare but I noticed that even in NASCAR the younger guys seem to adapt to the new cars faster than the older guys. Maybe the younger guys not having the habits of the old car helps them. NASCAR drivers talk about how they can't feel when the car is going to break loose in the corners cause of the new tires. Maybe Hamilton is also having a similar problem.
You can actually see that in F1 as well, I’ve noticed that while drivers like Ricciardo aren’t really doing that well, people like Lando are really easily taking to the new cars, because they’re more like the Formula 2 cars with the new larger rims and tyres, that they had driven only a couple of years ago. George is another good case, he’s comprehensively beating Hamilton right now because he has the benefit of more recent experience with the larger rims and tyres in addition to having more recent experience with a car that is unpredictable.
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@@thedj9553 it happens all the time, I think older drivers carry too many habits from previous cars. Happened to Seb twice in 2014 and 2018, happened to Danny Ric last year.
Hell, I'd even say it happened to the whole grid with Hamilton in 2007.
Seems like only Sainz and Lewis are immune lmao
Every new regulation affects some and not others. I remember when Perez was the meanest tyre managing son of gun on the track at the beginning of the Pirelli era. Same with Jenson Button
Drivers adapt.
Lewis has been through enough regulatory changes to be pretty adaptable. Alonso is still here too.
If anything, it’s the young drivers that come (a lot of young drivers!) and go and these old guys still standing!
@@alunesh12345 so, what does this have to do with a video about 2 sides of people tearing each other apart?
The actual truth that has come out of Mercedes is that Russel was running optimal setups but Hamilton has been running experimental setups for the first handful of races. This was to test the car and also try to find better performance. Hamilton is thw quicker driver. You.will see this going forward once all the testing on Hamilton has ceased.
Yeah as soon as they stopped doing that he's suddenly much faster than George, really weird, he must've suddenly remembered how to drive again...
At least someone who looks at it objectively and understands it. Thx for that 👍🏼
You expect objectivity from this guy 😂😂😂😂
@@dynaco8402 yeah. He is. He prooves it literally with facts
Well, Alonso only had one sidepot when Lewis overtook him in Imola. Not sure if you can count that lol
You can Lewis got lucky with that one
Lewis didn't have any. (ok. I know he wasn't supposed to..)
@@TheRip72 that same weekend in qualifying the red flag came out before they both could put in a faster lap before it started raining, it so happens that GR had put in a early faster lap and was infront of LH, there was no way LH could respond, and they both got knocked out of Q2 with 10 min left in Q2, it was chalked at that point. your trying to cancel out his bad luck with good luck that doesn't carry the same weight.
qualifying was a 2 car separation disadvantage of bad luck, the missing sidepod was a 1 car separation advantage of good luck. note that LH made the 2 car gap to a one car gap separation in the sprint. but thats not valid cause LH did it huh.
imola is a bad track to get quali wrong after all its the one of the few tracks where alonso could hold off schumacher in the faster car when alonso is running a slower engine mode due to concerns of reliability, not many tracks you can say that about. that whole weekend was not optimal and isnt that strong of a argument for saying GR out right outclassed LH which alot of you make it out to be by not being able to overtake a whole drs train
the fact still remains that the races where both drivers can be compared without saying could of should of would of, who was infront ?....
not to mention the 3 car spin out at the start of the race that gave GR a 3 car advantage of good luck after he got the 2 car seperation of good luck in quali
@@iiZenon well that happened too, but he only mentioned Alonso in the video
considering the experience diffrence between them both it is highly impressive how far russell has come an realy shows he has the potential to win a title
That is true, but the fact we have new cars and new regulations reduces the impact of experience. It doesn't mean that it is not impressive, but if George did the same with last year's cars, it would be even more impressive.
One could argue George has more experience at least in recent years of driving with a subpar car in the midfield
@@TriniZx3 exactly lol. But that is not a good reflection on Lewis. It means he got too comfortable driving a fast car.
@@MegaIronica George did do very similar, in a 2020 car, would have easily won the race, had the team not given him the wrong tyres at his last pitstop. He was clearly faster than Bottas...
@@timjohnun4297 maybe driving a very bad car like Williams for 3 years was the best thing that happened to him before changing to a fast team
Russell v Hamilton is a prime example for numbers don’t tell the whole story
Yep 7 titles
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Also it's not fault their every other team sucked
@ScarAngusArobieke zero competition? Are you asleep?
Such a shame the car is not fast enough. The Leclerc Verstappen show is great, but can you imagine Hamilton and Russell joining it?
Prefer russell over Hamilton but sure. I would like a 3 way title fight
It not a shame at all, I would like to see the other mid field teams at the front
@@johnbenoy7532 nah lewis should go for the eight
Can you imagine Russell joining it?*
Fixed it
Personally, the Leclerc/Verstappen battle is not as exciting as the Hamilton/Verstappen battle we saw last year. Last year you never knew if either of them would make turn 1😂 and as toxic as the after race rivalry went, I actually miss it lol.
Re Imola Lewis did have the chance to break out of the DRS train when they pitted but because Ocon was released unsafely it meant he was the 1st one Albon and Gasly caught with their warm tyres.
If Ocon is released safely behind Hamilton then it is Ocon in that position and it probably gives Lewis enough of a buffer to hold position and then he would be able to attack Stroll.
The other factor is that when DRS was enabled Hamilton had just gone past the detection point and on that lap Gasly closed down Albon. If DRS is enabled a few seconds earlier Hamilton gets 1 attempt on Gasly where Gasly does not have DRS.
And off line was still damp, and Hamilton had no confidence in the car on the brakes
@@Ruylopez778
Did someone wet the track only in Hamiltons grid position?.
@@Robert-cu9bm No, I'm saying the reason Hamilton was stuck in the DRS train was his inability to make a pass, not DRS trains being impossible.
@@Ruylopez778 How do you expect any driver to make a pass in a Drs train? Can you please elaborate. There’s a literal reason it’s called a train
@@Wolfywolf7 This wasn’t even an excuse, he was literally just analyzing the situation based on circumstances. U just have the IQ equivalent of toddler that seeks to shit on Lewis at any opportunity
it's not just that George was lucky in Miami, we heard him telling the team he should stay out on radio. he took a risk and it paid off. F1 isn't just about raw pace after all
Basing your tactic on a SC is luck based though. And starting him on hards this was a decision they took before the race as well.
Strategy can be the difference between podium, points, and being irrelevant. Strategy has not paid off for Hamilton and his engineer.
T?hat was the strategy when they started the race, Did Russell qual p12 on purpose to put him on that offset strategy ? LOL.
Bruh everyone would have made that call tho
You didn't give the full story of imola. Everyone on the left side of the grid gained places while everyone on the right lost places. George only made 1 on track overtake, which was magnussen during the wet. Everyone else he passed on lap 1 due to either starting on the left side of the grid, or people getting caught up in the turn 1 incident.
Lewis meanwhile had a 4.9 second stop, which put him behind 4 cars. Then he was stuck behind gasly who didnt have the top speed even with DRS to pass albon.
Russell has been great, but hamilton has been extremely unlucky so far.
Hamilton has passed his best before date, he needs to move over and let the youngsters run the show.
Wish I read this before my post. This is almost exactly what I thought as well
@@Old_Man_Pete you’re projecting yourself onto hamilton
Russel has had a lot of good luck, not just a little.
@@Old_Man_Pete what show ? Not one of the 'youngsters' has the mentality
Discrediting Russells performance to luck is the same as discrediting Hamilton's performance due to luck in his entire career
truer words have never been spoken
Exactly. He just got lucky with a faster car.
did you even watch the video?
@@stretch8390 I think this is a reference to some comments
Have you not seen the safety cars🙄 you people see what you wanna see. The telemetry is presented to you and you still see what you want to see. I can't wait for Hamilton to start driving...He's been taking a knock to try and learn as much as possible at times by taking a setup that had more porpoising than George was able to handle
Thank you sir, as I find the quality of your content and insight to be the best.. please keep up the good work
If the car is a difficult beast to tame, then George's recent experience in driving the Williams shitbox certainly helped in that regard.
This year's merc is still ultimately better than a Williams, so its a flat upgrade for him.
Thats true and fair, my friend.
With Merc's budget, at this level, there's no excuses, I dont like Hamilton, nether am I a Russel fan, but, give credit, where its due, George came through the ranks, the hamilton got talent, tons of it,
no denying that, but he dug his own grave, now thats there a hurdle...?
Stumbling...?
Like Chrus Norman n Suzi Quatro's song...
Stumbling in...?🤏🤏
@@gerhardsmit578 every team has the same budget now...
Russel continues to outperform Hamilton to this day. Big problem Hamilton is going to have as the season goes on is he is older now. His back and neck will be killing him by season’s end.
@@niftygrower2745 I doubt age is the problem here. Loeb is nearing his 50s and he still kicks ass in both rallye and rallye raid. And these sports can be a fair bit rougher on the back.
George is showing that he is up there with Max and charles. Also, he deserves every bit of luck after Sakhir 2020 disappointment and driving 3 years in Shitbox after winning F2. Lewis on the other hand has been unlucky and not at his best.
I don’t think he hasn’t been at his best I just think he doesn’t need to be so why be at your best 🤷♀️
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No he isn’t. George is showing us he is getting the best out of the 3rd best car. Nothing more or less.
I think Hamilton is at his best. It's just that his best wasn't enough.
I feel like Russell has defo had some luck with the safety cars and Lewis has been out of position to take advantage too but also, George seems to have a better handle on the car and is getting more out of it right now. Lewis hasn't driven a bad car in years, Russell has and so he's better at it. Once they either fix the car or Lewis masters the bad version, I'm sure it will be a more back and forth battle. They're both top notch drivers.
100% agree with your assessment here. I've been saying that for a while. Trying to explain it to some people is hard though. George drove a shitbox for the last few years. This years merc is light years ahead of what he's used to. Lewis has drove a perfect car since 2014, and hasn't been an uncompetitive car.... well... ever. The hybrid era has been merc ahead of the rest of the field by 1.5 seconds in 14-16, and slowly the rest of the field caught up. Last year was the only year where merc had a full season challenge. I don't think Lewis is slow, or a bad driver. He has shown since 14 how good he is in a perfect car. It's times like these that will show what he's made of though. Remember.... when McLaren started falling off pace, he was very quick to jump ship, and throw the team under the bus. A few of his post race/session interviews have been quite questionable in my eyes. He's been right on the line, and sometimes over the line with the throwing the team under the bus. The "well I think I did the maximum today, but as a team no" comment didn't sit right with me.
The shitbox whisperer strikes again
What you wrote is confusing. Lewis has literally had the faster pace in that car. In fact the difference is kinda of what Lewis used to do with VB.
youre delusional
@@noomade tell me you havent been watching F1 recently without telling me you haven't been watching F1 recently
Great vid! However one important fact was missing regarding the Imola race - that being that Mercedes failed to adjust George's flap position when switching him to slick tyres, he was warned that the car won't be good and that he would struggle. He did the opposite, drove brilliantly and even held off a hard charging Botas in the closing laps to retain his position. What could have been had the car been adjusted correctly in the pit stop?
He would have finished in the same position but perhaps avoid being attacked by Bottas.
@@kleefton Perhaps? Dude if his car was adjusted correctly in that stop it would have been quicker and looked after it's tyres better, Botas would not have posed a threat at all. George would have finished even further up the road from Lewis. George will get faster in that car as he becomes more comfortable with it, the engineers and the team. I can't wait to see his next podium!
"The team came out on hards figuring that after a weekend of red flags there'd be a safety car and they could play the long game"
"Russell got EXTREMELY lucky with a safety car..."
I don't think that's luck at that point...
it kinda is, think back on the incident that caused the SC in the first place. It was COMPLETELY avoidable and for the most the other kept their nose clean, i expected was more chaos during the race.
It is a bit lucky because even though you know the chances of a safety car are very high, WHEN the SC comes out has a lot to do with it. Lewis tried the same strategy in Saudi but the SC came out too early to change off of the hard tires and blew the strategy for both he and KMag. George, not to take anything away from him, has indeed been lucky with the SCs in Australia and Miami.
It’s still luck. None of the front runners came out on hards hoping to run long for a safety car because it’s not the optimal strategy. This almost always is the strategy when a driver is out of position in qualifying but is a 100% “hey, we are kinda just hoping for a safety car” move. Luck is when opportunity meets preparation so in that sense, but it was still fully dependent on hoping there was a safety car.
Sure its lucky SC could come out at any diffrent moment and ruin his race, like with Magnason and Hamilton in Jeddah I belive it was. or it could have not come at all
@@liveandletdie138 can't agree more mate. I actually thought there would be more carnage at the front (especially with both RedBulls and both Ferraris were charging up onto the Turn 1 at the start of the race), but then the race went pretty smoothly until Norris crashed with Gasly.
Check out the Ocon vs Alonso points gap. I don't hear anyone saying Ocon is on par with Alonso. George is doing awesome and he is quick. No one should be taking anything away from George, but the narrative that Hamilton is driving poorly is nuts. I still want to see an onboard of George at Imola to figure out how he gained 3 spots before Danny and Carlos came together.
I think it's because Hamilton hasn't had any dnfs.
The alpine pairing Alonso has had his car decide to die so lost most of his points through that. The mercs haven't had any dnfs so far.
@@AnonymousCaveman True but alonso has always copped a number of penalties.
@@AnonymousCaveman true but bad luck isn't just DNFs
Anyone saying a guy that won those many championships suddenly doesn't know how to drive is insane.
George is doing a great job and if the mercedes team can fix their car both are huge contenders to win races
Alonso vs Ocon really isn't indicative of anything because Alonso has had more reliability issues vs Ocon who has had none. But apart from the first race, Alonso had been faster and ahead of Ocon before his reliability gremlins showed up. In Saudi, Alonso was faster and was set to chase Russell after battling with Ocon but DNFed due to a faulty cooling that ruined his engine. In Australia, Alonso was again faster and in qualifying was faster in the 2nd sector than Leclerc before hydraulics failure caused him to crash. During the race, a failure to heed Alonso's suggestion to pit during SC ruined his race. In Imola he again had issues with the car during quali and was taken out of the race by Mick. In Miami, Alonso's qualifying was ruined by Sainz slowing down but he does own up to dive-bombing Gasly. If not for reliability issues, Alonso would be ahead. Ocon didnt qualify in Miami because he binned his car in a spin during Free Practice. Alonso has had reliability issues 4 out of 5 races.
Best explanation as I have seen yet. If anything a bit generous with George’s overtakes in Imola. The odd side of the grid all had much better starts and the 3 cars that crashed out ahead with George in a much be more fortunate position to capitalize. Don’t think he passed more than one other car on track in that race. But bang on that Georgia doing a good job and that this is primarily an example of different luck between them
yea he only passed kmag on pure pace
Lol he passed Schumacher mag and bottas
Well, he was generous about Lewis passing Alonso at Imola too considering there was a massive hole on the sidepod and Alonso's car literally falling to pieces.
@@rumblefish9 I completely agree. I didn’t think it was an impressive or brave pass either. The only not worth pass from either of them was George passing Kmag.
@@dylan_biddle he passed Kmag, bottas got screwed in the pits and everyone infront of him at the start got held up by the first lap incident (because of their grid spot).
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Great video! You guys should do a similar video on the McLaren duo as well.
yeah. but it's way clear ricciardo loses
To be fair, George has made his own luck to a certain extent
Made ? "lets stay out until a safety car" --- He has ZERO other options
@@TheZimbeatz Ehm... his other option was to stick to the original strategy
he took a risk and it payed off, simple as that
@@gandalf_thegrey “stick to the original.” You do realize that what he did was the original? The SC came out at the perfect time because that was his planned pit window. If you look at how long the hards lasted for other runner, it was about the same number of laps that Russell had done up to that point.
And Lewis has made his own bad luck.
@Traverse1010 you can compare the values of different scenarios and multiply them by their probability. Then take the best one. Thats meant with "make your own luck", because those scenarios then seem like they are just luck, but in reality its way more than that
It’s pretty simple really, Mercedes has been running different experiments on both cars to see what aero setup works best. The experiments on Russell’s car worked and the ones on Lewis’ car didn’t.
Yeah right. The experiments conveniently never work on Hamilton's car.
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Hope you are well.
Where can I find the analysis chart comparing the lap times that you were displaying in video?
Great analysis and something that I've been wondering about myself so kuddos for being so in touch with my thoughts!!! If you took the points from George that he gained from having the luck of safety cars then I think it would be tighter between him and Lewis, maybe Lewis would even be ahead, I don't know, but one thing has struck me even without analysing the lap times, but it's his close quite often George has been to Lewis, and I think sometimes he's even been stuck behind him which might skew the data (just as when you stated when Lewis was stuck in that DRS train). I wonder if it's too much hard work to go back and note when they weren't stuck behind other cars (it's probably too much, but maybe it's possible?).
One thing that did make me wonder was that, despite loving Lewis and what he's done in the sport, he is a true racer at heart I believe, was that Makes is used to driving the perfectly honed Mercedes that has been at the front all along whereas George has been in a car that wasn't so good and that he really needed to wring every last ounce of pace out of to get any kind of result, and this might have meant that George was more used to driving a car with some issues. Even with these issues the Mercedes is better placed and more competitive to the most of the cars on the grid so George is happier with it whereas Lewis sees it as a step back and mentally it's difficult for him. This is only from observation, but Mercedes really need to fix the porpoising issues for us to really know how good George is, but he's doing an amazing job so far imo.
I thought Russell would do well but he has done even a bit better than I thought. Yes he has gotten a bit of luck. But he has been there to capitalize on the lucky breaks. I think he may have a bit more speed in him as well. Gasly is a good driver but he pushed to much when given his chance at Red Bull and put it into the wall of few times. George has looked like he should be at a top team and his major mistakes have been not nailing a qualifying in a couple races. And arguably both in difficult to drive cars. Also, Mercedes getting it wrong means the third fastest car on the grid. There are six other teams that would have loved to get it wrong in the same way.
finally someone collected the data and came up with an answer.
its sad to see hamilton get so much hate because he was a world champion. Dude has had so much bad luck, give him a break. Maybe soon people will like him again? happened with vetel, he was boo'd as a champion yet people want championship vetel back. Maybe after people get tired of RBR winning every race we will finally get people wanting Hamilton to start wining again
By the time people get tired of RBR, which means multiple world championships, Hamilton would've left. I think so much of hatred for Mercedes comes down to him, and then there's the part where his responses are so diplomatic, most people like myself have zero clue on his actual thoughts.
Comparing lap time during the race is not accurately show who is faster. Using harder Tyre is always slower. During the race driver do management, they didn't even push most of the time. A driver manage the tire well and get the result, that's the better driver!
Ah yes, lap times don't show who is faster!
It's more about FEELINGS right?
You’re literally disagreeing with a professional driver as well as the entire Mercedes team, I’m pretty sure you’d find that they’re right and you’re wrong
Are you suggesting George is driving better or is a better driver than Lewis?
@@joeperry2091 as Nico rosberg said, Lewis is not doing his job well enough. The car had more pace as Russell shown us. I agreed with 2016 world champion.
@@alanjm1234 if u think saving tire in a set of harder tire are your actual pace?
Good analysis - thanks for posting and agree there is nothing really in it so far in reality.
The only part I thought was a bit overplayed was talking about George's overtaking. In Imola, when you watch George's onboard, yes he gained 5 places in the first lap, but purely down to the mistakes of other drivers (including Alonso fluffying the start and a 3-car pileup).
In Miami also. He didn’t pass nobody on track other than his teammate when he had fresh tires. George is a great driver but he’s struggling with that car also. It’s just his massive luck that made him look outstanding. Had not for Hamilton’s misfortune, Hamilton would be leading the team battle right now and probably be on more points than George is at the moment. Hamilton with a podium in melboure, p5 in Miami and a podium in Barcelona would put hamilton on more points than Russell.
@@kadeemsealy2304 agree
You can’t really call George intentionally not pitting and waiting for a safety car “luck”
Interesting u say that. So ur basically saying all the luckmilton comments were delusional
Except that's what every single car on hard tires did. It wasn't some magic big brain strategy, it was very obvious strategy due to how the rate of tire deg on the hards that day. It would have been bad strategy NOT to do this.
He literally said that to his engineer. Listen to the radio chatter.
Premeditated luck lol
That’s the difference between them. George created the opportunity to get lucky. Lewis got lucky in Jeddah then decided not to box.
Definitely, they are the best current lineup with both of them among the top 4 drivers I believe, along with Max and Charles
Will you do this for other driver pairs?
Please do this for the other team drivers. It's so good to see the comparisons
George was a little lucky in Miami, but he also made the call to hang in there. He's doing such an amazing job.
4 out of the 5 drivers that started on hard tyres basically did the same thing. George drove very well but the strategy wasn't genius. It didn't need announcing as the team wasn't even trying to pit him
The whole point of starting on the hards was waiting for a vsc or sc at the right time.
Russell said himself he look now like a genius but it also could have gone like in Jeddah for Hamilton with the same strategy.
Imola was also luck for Russell to be on the right side of the road when Ricciardo took out Sainz and blocked the inner line complete and gave Magnussen and Russell a free ride on the outside.
Hats of for the overtake on Magnussen from Russel, that was good stuff. But then he raced all race in clean air.
Hamilton got stuck at the start in the roadblock. Was moving a bit forward until the pitstop. Had then a 4 second pit stop and for good measure Ocon‘s unsafe release what put him in the position behind Albon & Gasly in the first place. And from the DRS train was no escape, also showed by Russel in the sprint.
Overall race pace i see Lewis a bit faster in general then Russell, just the results dont show it sofar.
@@1AngryPanda agreed, it worked out. But he's finished top 5 consistently in a car that has a seven time world champion struggling.
@@_knotty3510 when you just look at the points it seems like that. When you consider all the circumstances who played in the results of both drivers. Its not that clear anymore.
The only race sofar who where not influenced from things who are not in the hand of the pilots where Bahrain sofar.
Without double DNF of RB Mercedes would be finish 5&6 again. But trough the race Lewis was way quicker then Russell.
Melbourne aswell, Lewis was quicker lost the place trough the VSC cicle and could not reovertake because of the overheating problems.
Jeddah qualifing was the only time this season Lewis made an error with the car setup. But in the race he was again quicker but the hail mary strategy did not work out, simply because the pitlane was closed when the SC came in the time he needed it.
What happend in Imola & Miami i laid out up there before.
Nobody takes away that Russell drives well this season, but i find a bit strange that so many people & experts just say he beats Lewis by a mile. When in reality it has more to do with other factors.
Was a bit similar with Hartley when he was at TR and got smashed from everybody but in fact he had like 5 DNF trough crashes who where not his fault or technical issues.
Not that this will shut up the reactionary Lewis-bashers, but this is great research. (And kudos to George Russell, who has proven he absolutely deserves to be next to Lewis Hamilton.)
How about the first George Russell?
ikr people are crazy
George dosent whine as much to be the next Lewis. Also George dosent make it a racial issue off and on the track
@@0megalul309 thank you, someone who realizes Hamilton is becoming too political. Nobody gives a shit about anyone's problems in motorsports, his activist mentality is putting him in his place.
@@0megalul309 yall funny yes he complains because he has seen what the team is capable of whiles George just happy to be there. Secondly he is using his power for his beliefs nothing I see with that.
Thanks for clearing things up 😁
Great Analysis.. I think we will get clear picture at the end of season.
Thank you for doing qualitative analysis and not getting deceived by the quantitative statistics. Performance is way more than simply how much points you get on the weekend.
And on the performance scale he is absolutely in mediocre to bad form.
We can use all the excuses we want. But reality is every professional athletes experiences poor form.
And an a Q1 exit, a second possible Q1 exist and twice landing +10 places behind your teammate in FIVE races is exactly that. Poor form. And all that in car that can consitently get into the Top5
That doesn't mean he's shit. He's not up to his own standards right now.
@@gandalf_thegrey What's your point? That's alot of words for saying he isn't doing his best right now, but what do you expect? No athlete on earth will be at their best every time they perform for their entire career. I guess you will still be expecting him to be winning championships when he is 50 as well...
I think it could just come down to the differing motivations between the two: George is at the beginning of his journey with much to prove. Hamilton has already been to the mountain top. Only Lewis can know if at age 37, 7 titles later, and for yet another major regs change he’s still got the fire in him to go racing for not much more than minor points. I don’t think the guy who beat the great 2 times champ, Fernando Alonso, needs to prove himself against George Russell.
The comparison is also skewed by the fact that they’re not really racing each other for a championship where Lewis has been so many times, so we don’t know how George would fare in that situation.
As well as George is doing, no one is going to remember him as a legend for scoring minor points against a decorated teammate. If that were the case, a Massa or a Nico are legends because they once beat Schumacher.
Strong points here. But what I take from this video is... Merc have the best line up. And Russell is the new and real deal and Lewis hasn't forgotten how to drive, he's just been unlucky lately
How you managed to get “luck of motivation” from this video analysis exactly? And how you automatically assume Lewis is not motivated. Why cant you just accept luck and car experiments clearly have played a part? SMH 🤦🏽♂️ you people really are annoying sometimes.
@@slicklace
I said it could be a case of differing motivations.
I didn’t say it was.
It could be what you think it is or it could be something else.
It’s not unreasonable to speculate that Lewis isn’t as jazzed about racing for 5th - if both Bulls and Ferrari finish- when he’s been racing for wins and titles for so long.
Hungry lad VS the has been. David beats Goliath every time
@@Karma2Babylon That’s a negative speculation so I don’t even understand why you’d come to that logic if you don’t know him personally and after watching this video. Abit like when Helmut and some other irrelevants made comments he should have retired for what? We all know he won that championship last year and was robbed. Anyway you are entitled to your own opinion at the end of the day but I’ll call out any biased or negative comments without justification.
Imagine if the Mercedes had hit the ground running this year....! I am enjoying the Charles vs. Verstappen thing at the moment, but 3 or 4 drivers legitimately fighting for the top step of the podium every weekend would be something we've not seen in a long time. Great video!
I really doubt that will ever happen again, at least not until the next regs change in 2025/26. Considering how ferrari has been messing up strategies and reliability over a decade, if Mercedes make a better car than now, they'll simply move past them and RB and mercs will be top 2 competitors
This is one of the best f1 channels on CZcams. Videos like this prove it.
Lewis in Miami: "Is he right behind me? On newer tires?"
Both. George has been brilliant made great use of the "lucky" situations he got and Hamilton just obviously doesn't feel comfortable in the car yet and plus got messed over by strategy on a couple of occasions.
And also pace isn’t everything, and it seems like George is better at overtaking. Maybe as a result of being more confident in the car?
I wonder when hamilton will realize he's 2nd driver now
Strategy he helps decide... It's called teamwork.
Don't blame the team you are r part of
Mr Mansel can we please please please have your analyses of the Spanish GP. I love your EXTREME focus on data and facts. Please give us MORE of this type of episode GP by GP. Much love Rurik.
One of the big reasons I believe Russel is where he's at vs Lewis in points is yes made very good use of his opportunities passing for position. For whatever reason Lewis doesn't seem to be able to make the moves on the back markers at the same rate. Is it luck, very possible. It could also be Russell is hungrier at the moment and the last thing Lewis wants to do is wad the car up in the wall. Different risk taking I believe.
in the sprint Russell was also a sitting duck in the rain. when the guy in front of him managed the pass then he managed it too. the merc is just not fast enough.
Lmfao.... Lewis has more overtakes this season than Russel wtf are talking about. When I say overtakes I mean actual wheel to wheel overtakes not the freebies.
Even if it is luck, Russell is likely to continue to improve throughout the year so it will be interesting to see who comes out on top
Awesome video! Could you maybe not show the graphs a 3D thing but just flat on the screen. It would make it easier to read the graphs. Keep up the good work!
Good analysis, thank you!
Great analysis thanks 👍🇬🇧
Another great and unbiased analysis. This and Peter Windsor are my goto channels for F1!
Not quite sure I would go that far. Every time he said Geroge was faster, it ended with a "but". Never when Lewis was faster. For example, the last race when Lewis was slightly faster, he could have said "But George was on hards the entire race", however, chose not to. I think some people are just shell-shocked that George is the better driver, and are having a hard time wrapping their heads around it. If you are a Mercedes fan, you should be ecstatic, as it means you have found the next driver to hand the torch over to.
@@TheRealMafoo
I agree. It is unbelievable how Scott avoided it.
He doesn't want to piss off his Hamilton fan viewers, which outnumber Russell fans heavily.
How can you "analyze and compare" race pace by completely ignoring Russell having to nurture tyres till SC??
Without SC, Russell would pit normally and have 15sth laps to overcome 15sec gap with 20+ fresher mediums. It was doable.
SC actually maybe helped Hamilton save face, gave him an excuse.
I am sure that this year will be a bloodbath, Russell will outqualify, outrace, outpoint easily and Hamilton's legacy will end up in ruins like Vettel's.
People are looking at the championship standings without actually watching the races, and concluding that George is faster.
Funnily enough they're not reaching the same conclusion about Alonso vs Occon, even though to date, Occon has scored TWELVE TIMES as many points as Alonso.
thats a wild assumption.
George finished the races the fastest.
F1 distributes most of the points by that. You can become world champion without being the fastest per lap. Reliability, setups, tactics (!) and more all play a part.
Even if Hamilton is faster it doesn’t help him so it’s irrelevant. Lewis needs to finish complete races quicker than Russell. That’s what it’s about.
@@valkenburgert and Occon is finishing much better than Alonso. Therefore Alonso is done, right?
@@alanjm1234 I don’t even know what you mean by that. I never talked about someone being “done”.
If Ocon finishes the race faster than Alonso he’s doing a better job that Alonso. If Alonso had faster laptimes wouldn’t matter.
Thank you for the covering all the in-betweens of A-Z. So sick of looking at peoples 1 second 'analysis' by looking at results only and drawing conclusions. It baffles me that so much of the 'fanbase' can't even take into accordance small things like a DRS train affecting results.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, it should explain to those new to F1 who don't understand the sport, and also those who have their narrow-minded views that the points don't reflect the situation per race.
Just a suggestion, as an aerospace engineer, I look at propulsion systems data daily, on your next data chart, change the background to white and change GR63 profile to black. It was really hard to make out the Merc blue and white separately.
George has a lot more experience driving a slow car with poor handling.
Yet Hamilton is faster. Did you actually watch the video?
@@alanjm1234 The video I watched told me that Lewis had more straight-line speed than George because he ran less downforce. Next?
Dear Scott (if I may)
Great clips, thank you! Your deep analysis and the range of personal experience as well as moving into related territories as even Rallye - all pearls I utterly applaud.
Well, while Motor racing is a fast sport, my only clause, perhaps very only me (?) is that when you get too fast speaking, I start missing gears of comprehension and so wish you spoke a tad slower. I wish for a wam up lap speed in delivery rather than a verbal Senna qualy-lap in Monaco or Spa…
This very clip was or started to evolve in becoming so too fast, I had to resort to reducing the speed of playing it from normal to 0.75: that suits my comprehension better, yet sounds funny in its own way. Perhaps I miss the point of the rush in delivery since you absolutely keep one mesmerised and I am happy to listen to you even if the total time would be prolonged compared to that (perceived) rush. Only thinking aloud and… perhaps other comments confirm or deny me.
Best regards from an aficionado who had the privilege of being at the Monza track in 1976 as my first visited Grand Prix, yeah that very year making for the movie “Rush”, the very term I wish to eliminate from thy excellent analysis :-)
Greetings,
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Love your videos! ❤️
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George is not "lucky", he's talented. 🙏🙏
George is lucky that he is talented. He will be a great driver with bright future. Lewis should consider a career like Alonso.
I really like Russell, he's proved over and over again that he has raw talent while driving for Williams. I hope mercedes sort the car out this season so that he can be in contention and hopefully win the 2023 championship.
Can someone please tell me where they get these telemetry charts from? I'm dying to get my hands on this data
Great video 👍🏻
Great video, I think it comes down to Russel being willing to push the car more and take more risk with an unstable car in the corners and overtaking. So all Credit to him.
did you WATCH the video? Lewis is the faster of the two.
@@alanjm1234 did I say he was slower? Just because you're pushing more and taking risk does not mean you are faster
@@s-pracing8514 he's lacking the stamina, instead of preping he's been too busy with his activist bullshit. If he's gonna do that he needs to retire. Other people's problems and their pussy feelings need never enter the world of motorsports.
Luck aside, F1 is 80-90%(?) car and it's showing this year (for Merc). Lewis just didn't become a subpar driver over the past 6 months.
Although I agree with you, I can imagine that someone who is heading towards 40 with 7 world titles in their pocket loses a bit of sharpness. On the other hand, there is an eager young talent who is about as fast at speed, but who is willing to take more risks. This in combination with a bit of luck, which he partly enforces himself and it is not surprising that Lewis can just end up behind Russell this season. I don't think your comparison that something is 80-90% the car is correct in this case, because they both drive the same car in a team that has been built around Lewis for years.
Stats show Lewis is outperforming him in races and quali while Russell (he's been keeping it close) has outscored him because of luck or do you believe Sainz was better than Leclerc last year?
@@TheImSolid Lewis has out qualified Russel 3 times and has had better race pace than Russel on the same tire. Russel has been getting blessed by the safety car and Lewis screwed by it.
@@alexvandun2124 @Alex Van Dun All good points! I too agree the age has a factor in risk taking and overall sharpness, so that does contribute to some of the difference in results as well. There a lot of factors obviously, luck being one, I just feel like the car is the biggest reason why results are not up the Merc/Lewis standard of the previous years.
@@TheImSolid
Sooo...
Is it the Car that is at fault or the capabilities of the Drivers?
Great vid👍🏻
Where do you get the lap times and all that data?
Glad u did this video. Unfortunately theres a bunch of couch experts that think other wise about comparing this 2 drivers
I know right….. I’m really sick and tired of arguing with both of those sides. Those two sides seems to think that one driver is better than the other one when there are actually very little differences between them. But that doesn’t the salty Max fans, Hamilton haters, and George fans to think that Hamilton is not as good as he is and meanwhile the Hamilton fans and the George haters think that George only finished ahead because of luck.
Salute to GR63. But we cannot ignore the safety car incidents that have played to the disadvantage of Lewis in Jeddah, Miami, Melbourne.
At the very least Lewis drove great in those races and was ahead or on par with GR on race pace.
Imola is the only race you can say clearly GR drove better.
But then again, when it comes to Lewis, people are always out with their pitchforks and out for blood.
Lol, in Jeddah Lewis didn't pit when drivers like Magnussen pitted during the late vsc 😂. Don't talk about luck with safety cars when Hamilton benefited massively from timing of safety cars before 🤣.
@@harryfalm3118 his fans have short term memory. Side effect of being woke
@@0megalul309 According to them, when Hamilton wins by 30 seconds, it's his skills but when Hamilton loses its the car 🤣🤣.
With costcap in place and giving all teams a level playing field.. I think we will see more drivers shining.
Great review as usual. Looking forward to seeing both British drivers in a non-bouncing Merc!🏎
Is Ocon a better driver than the legendary Alonso 🙃?? , people like to point at Russell and Hamilton but not Alpine , standings don’t tell the whole story basically 🔥🔥💀
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nope he is not. Since Ocon got his contract prolonged he pretty much chills without any signs of being superior over ALO.
I was waiting for someone to make that comparison. 😂😂
These Hamilton haters you can tell or either youngsters just getting in the sports or just not smart.
Their reasoning is like kindergarten.
@@alunesh12345 why are you spamming this on videos that have nothing to do with your comment?
it's really funny how all the british f1 sites/channels are trying so hard to defend hamilton at all costs. the real fact is that hamilton should be way ahead of a kid with 5 races in a new team. let's just watch what these sites will say in a couple of races when russel gets comfortable and confident in his new team.
It's hard to compare in-race lap times. Different positions require different strategies - i.e., being a distant P5 you're more likely to be running a lower power setting, or just bringing the car home as opposed running with cars just in front that you might be trying to over take. The two drivers seem to be fairly comparable with luck falling more in Russell's favor.
Where did u get all the data from?
We will have the results from a much larger sample size at the end of the season. Hopefully good luck evens out so we can make a valid comparison.
Here from near the end of the season. The gap has grown from 15 points to 25 points, except it was a lot larger around the summer break. With Mercedes looking fast, Lewis has picked the pace back up. Probably the same thing with setup experimentation.
I've seen drivers in other disciplines win races 0.5 a lap off the pace having had a stroke of luck with the weather in qualifying and some good luck in the race.. Luck is often underestimated in racing and you sort of make your own luck in racing.
It appears to me that hamilton is a more cautious driver over the past few years whos driving technique leans more to clean passing and saving tire life as opposed to late braking lunges and crazy blocks. Also in the last few races of last season and the also most of the races this season race strategy really hurt him in MOST of his more disappointing finishes.
No way do we want to listen to this reasonable well thought out drivel. You don’t belong here. Off with you mr sensible. Leave the fanboys to It.
30kph on the straight
Car drives itself.
Rocketship!
Phew, for a second there , I thought there was more to life than being a Hamilton hating fanboy. Lucky I had these three fanboy comments to remind me what I’m about.
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Superb analysis as always
They are both amazing drivers. Take a look at their history prior to F1. They are both incredible drivers with proven performance. It is ridiculous to question either of their abilities above and beyond any vehicle they are driving.
These graphs are a little hard to read. Last week, Hamilton had to stop early because his tires were gone. Russell was lucky the caution came very late in the race, otherwise his tire strategy would have backfired. Still, his pace on old hards was quite strong.
Twittergate was 2012, by the way.
Protip: every video on this channel is slowed significantly for ad revenue.
Set to 1.5x speed for normal speaking speed.
I think there are 2 possibilities.
Remembering how Hamilton apparently couldn't make a decision in the off season whether or not to retire, I think that:
#1. He's mentally checked out, and is just going through the motions.
Or
#2. The car somehow doesn't quite fit with his driving style.
Still faster than George though. Amazing isn't it?
His emotions are getting the better of him. He doesn't lack driving skills, but his "The world's against me" attitude is holding him back. JMO
@@timjohnun4297 his activist mentality is putting him in his place... Don't bring your problems to the track, no one gives a fuck
Most of the badluck/goodluck is due to better strategy and car setup.
Being a fast on the track is not the only thing they need to do…
It is strange that this video explicitly says that Russel chose hard tires because he expected several safety cars. Yet when it happens exactly as Russel has predicted, it is still called luck?
True! Safety car falls under setup right??
@James Black No. its called a calculated risk that didn't pay off. But if you really look at it, its a new track, relatively narrow and considering how many crashes happened during FP, the likelihood of a SC being called was high. George knew this and made a calculated risk. Russell gambled and it paid off. Hamilton was given options and threw it back for his engineers to decide.
@@00aPPa00 Sure, they set up the safety car LOL:) What are you talking about?
Take your time Merc, we are enjoying the battles between RB and Ferrari ;). Just kidding, once they get into the mix it's going to be an insane show!!!
where can i find these race data?
Rumours of hamilton testing concepts seems to be true now as how we came in to 2023 with a blow against russel
Did people do the same thing when Leclerc was faster then Vettel? I remember when every media outlet couldn't stop shitting on Vettel yet they here trying to defend Hamilton as much as possible. The difference of treatments of the two drivers is outstanding.
Hamilton is the golden boy after all, the British F1 establishment darling. Lip service from all F1 media that covers him and legions of undying fans ready to cope all over the internet.
@@RockSolitude Exactly. Whilst I like his actions such as the 20 M8llion donated to projects. It disgusting how hypocritical the Main F1 Media sources are towards him and defend him at all costs whilst being completely rude to drivers like Vettel
People would say anything but the actual thing waiting for a vsc or sc was Russell call and overtaking means driving which he is doing better if courageously overtaking wasn't a driver's art then max would not be champion today so i think russell is better at this point
You are lost if you don’t think that was discussed with strategist beforehand, it was not really a call more a statement of the obvious
@@dffrnttd9474 I know it must have been discussed but at least he went one way fully and reaped the fruits of it....unlike Lewis who said: "don't make me choose".
@@puneetvijay6920 obviously his decision was much more information intensive. What position will I come out? How long will used softs last? What will pace be like in comparison to others tyres? Being on hards and not stopping in hopes of a SC is a much more straightforward decision. Either you’re right and you get a cheap stop or you have to make a normal length stop like everyone else
Why do you put "or" in the title question though?
Can't it just be both things? Cause I think that was the case.
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This is like the IMAX cinema release compared to the DVD bootleg GPCulture version 😅
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George was brave enough to take risks when he needs to and has the skill and competence to follow it up with a brilliant performance,
that opens up game-changing opportunities for him during races.
Lewis on the other became indecisive and often just backed off to challenges when he felts his cars was not to responding to his liking,
this is why he became susceptible to incidents where split-second decision determined whether he will benefit from it or suffered from a major disadvantages.
the only evidence of indecisiveness was his tyre discussion on radio where his decision was the right one. this is all rhetoric.
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He was undecided to pit in Saudi, because he saw Ricciardo's car entering the pitlane.
Kevin on the underhand gambled to pit regardless.
Lewis lost the opportunity when the race directors actually closed the pitlane after awhile and that, instead of earning the benefit of a free pitstop actually costed him way more time.
The same case in Australia, while his team warned him about his engine, he could have readily challenged his teams opinion about his engine conditions considering he was the one who was actually driving the car and had the good feel about it's perforamce
He could choose to pursue Russell and challenge him for the position instead.
But yet he held back and just let Russell kept his position.
Imola was another case, he was just too indecisive to push the car to the limits given the track condition and challenge Pierre in the overtake corner.
You can clearly see he was holding back everytime they approach the turn 1, as compared to Russell who literally constested with Magnussen even risking going wide and going off the track with his unweildy, improperly setup car.
@@gelmir7322 I think you are seeing what you want to see. none of these are down to a lack of confidence as is being implied. the pit lane incident was simply a matter of thinking it was closed, nothing to do with pushing his cars performance. the latter is untrue, if you were not watching the race directors feed you would see Lewis sending it up the outside nearly every lap. his car did not have the ability to outbrake gasly there off line.
conjured narratives. you will likely see an identical Lewis beat George this season. not because he changes anything. but because he is already faster and luck will over time, level out.
He was being conservative in his disposition whenever he had to process a situation.
With the pitlane issues, he assumed it was closed when there wasn't an indication that it was. He just lacked that split second assessment to realize there was a narrow window of opportunity he could have exploited.
Kevin did and he earned a benefit from it.
In Imola we had a good performance comparison.
Russell risked and pushed his car to the edges practically going way outside the track to beat magnussen in the chicane. This he did despite his frontwing being improperly set for the track condition against cars that were actually competitive this season.
Lewis on the other hand failed to make any gains against Gasly and Albon, both driving cars that are substantially slower than Mercedes.
Thing is, we saw drivers that had responded or performoed better than Lewis in such similar situations.
@@gelmir7322 you make very assured assessments when you don't have sufficient information to judge them on. at imola for example the difference in car setup likely serves as a more probable reason for the difference than Russell being superior to a 7 time world champion. especially as the entire seasons qualifying and race pace data shows Lewis on top. evidence is key, speculation is just that. dressed up gossip.
Can you make content about the Alfa Romeo Drivers next?
You should do an analysis like this for every team
In short Russel seems to be worthy on the nr1 in the team since he seems willing to pudh the car & is more aware of the race and making the judgements when needed,while the other cant be asked unless he has the top equipement.
No that can't be. Max's fans have told me Lewis was obliterated by George and Lewis was never fast just the car
lol, Hamil fans are grasping for straws.
That's exactly what i've been told. Just the car. lol
And ham fans use numbers to show why ham is better than Schumacher but now their panties are getting wet when people use numbers to show why ham is getting gapped by George this year and max last year.
@@0megalul309 Not sure how they could compare performance from different eras of F1...and this video's only look at the pure performance data. If data supported findings aren't convincing enough to see if the drivers are being slow or not for you, totally fine.
People forgot at certain tracks with little runoff, the chances of a SC are high and while merc and alpine may not control when, statistically it makes sense to go the long run and wait for that SC to come out for that free pitstop. Guarantee if that collision between Norris and Gasly didn’t happen than both drivers strategy would’ve been ruined but because they started outside they points, they had the luxury to do the gambling strat. You’re doing what Albon did in Australia but without losing the position that you’d normally lose in a race. And still takes skill to make that strategy work as you have to be quick enough not to get swallowed up by the pack as Ocon stated. You also can’t use to much tire wear as you’re strategy is screwed.
I want to see an updated video about this now. I want to hear your opinions
It could be a short video. But I want to hear your opinions as an experienced racer