Why Mercedes are SO FAR off the Pace
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Lewis Hamilton hasnât been having a great season so far, struggling with a car that is really fighting him.
But every time they make a change to try and fix the issue, it seems to get worse. So whatâs going on with that Mercedes? And why canât Lewis seem to get the best out of it?
Letâs get nerdy on car dynamics.
Now, first of all. Itâs the car. And second - George is having all of the same issues.
There are loads of headlines about this saying âLewis doesnât know how to drive bad carsâ or that he was âspoiled by perfect carsâ.
And it's all a load of rubbish. So let me explain.
Mercedes have a few main issues (and we made a video about this) but itâs weight, drag and porpoising.
But the porpoising is the main one, and it's really hurting lap time. In Australia, the Mercs were nearly a second off the Red Bulls and the Ferraris.
And yes, they still got some good points - but if they want to be battling at the top - they have some big issues to solve.
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Great video!
Can you do a similar analysis for Vettel; how much of his trouble is from the car?
the garbage 2022 car was on purpose to hurt mercedes⊠the changes were made to make the âsportâ more âinterestingâ and harder for Mercedes. 2021 championship was a set and the whole 2022 season is too. F1 is a rigged sport.
screw hamilton rubbish overrated even moldano or de cesaris would win with that over dominating mercedes
So no driver could take this Merc and put it in the front rows but when Lewis won all those titles with the Merc from the last years, it was the driver?
Jesus....
@@elonmusk9697 british press LOL LOL LOL , he won because he was the underdog
Iâm surprised Lewis and George can walk after going 50 laps with that porpoising. Weâve gone from âBono my tyres are goneâ to âBono my ass is goneâ.
I don't know but it sounds like you are talking from real experience here so I have to take your word for it.
More like back problems but that's not really a major problem anymore, unlike the 80's where the cockpit literally transfered all the energy of the contact with the ground to the drivers ass
Shit his uncle got in the cockpit?
@@emilnilsson4320 yeah Iâm a professional F1 driver at the weekends
@@CornHol1o yeah right, your probably porpoising in your bed with your boyfriend.. that's why you are talking from experience đđ
I've got to give it to all the drivers this year with this porpoising, I couldn't imagine driving on the limit with that. The one dark horse i see is the McLaren though. They are so flat through those sections and if they figure out how to lower the mcl36 without getting the porpoising, it's going to be a weapon.
well said.
And their brakes not catching fire
Itâs going to be an exciting season for sure. I think even Haas has potential to have a very good car.
good eye, quali today went well
@@wesrihn KMag P4! Ya nailed it!
This is a great reminder that F1 is an engineering championship BEFORE it's a racing one. To have any chance of anything you first need the car, it doesn't matter if it's the GOD of driving in a slower car, simply no chance of winning. It's different from other racing series where the cars are similar and "anything" can happen.
So was going to the moon. lmao.
Ferrari built a 312T4, Red Bull has an FW07, and Mercedes made a Lotus 80. I don't think things are getting better for them without a major design rethink.
The Mercedes isn't a dog though. It's still comfortably 3rd best on the grid right now. They just need more time to understand the concept and gather more data.
The 312T4 was a great car. It won the championship.
You are thinking about the T5.
@@velocitaaa THANK YOU!! Somebody who actually understands Mercâs pace relative to the other teams. Theyâre not back markers by any means, just not absolute front runners.
Still not at â09 McLaren first half of season âdog of a carâ level, so itâs not a bad place to be.
should be forbitten for 8 years, like they did prior to the others, to ensure a certain wanna be GOAT can collect some easy titles...
@@damcleandetailing ferrari and red bull will also bring upgrades while merc try to fix their issues. And the upgrades for rb and ferrari will bring them a lot of pace. It will almost be impossible for mercedes to completely catch up this season. they might win a few races on tracks that suit them, after they have a fix, but nothing more. We are not talking about the already big points deficit. What I mean is, the massive pace deficit.
Something I havenât heard anyone talk about is just how much the Red Bull cars scrape the ground at high speed. It seems to me that somehow theyâve devised a way to scrape the ground at the proper ride height for ground effect.
Thatâs just my opinion and it could be totally wrong and Iâd love to hear what other people think.
Agreed... and, if you lose your downforce while in contact with the ground do they not also then have less drag at higher speeds? Seems to me they might have something figured out that F and M do not
Perhaps they make more visible sparks when they do ground?
"Something I havenât heard anyone talk about is just how much the Red Bull cars scrape the ground at high speed"
Funny, one of the first things I read in Barcelona was how they put a bigger block of titanium under the car to solve the porpoising. All teams use titanium blockers but you'll notice the Red Bull makes more sparks in high speed than the others.
It is called a bump stop.
@@fablewalls Thank you for letting me know! It makes so much more sense now.
About Senna's driving style... Like every great driver will attest to.. the driving style is dependent on the car. Great drivers can quickly adapt to what the car demands to go fast.
Yes and no. Nobody's perfect and even the best have preferences.
Speed is the combination of driver, car, setup and the harmony of all things.
Well then I expect senna to win in a Aston Martin if he drove this season
@@cometor1 what I'm saying is, I would expect Senna to adapt to what is needed today, and not drive current cars like he did in his day.
@@bennynagon9322 bs, no one said he would be the fastest.
Just that they could adapt to it.
@@Evan102030 yes, he would adapt but they wouldn't be outstanding.
Apart from the qualifying performance in Saudi during the race he was on course for a comfortable P6 had it not been for the VSC and SC, where Riccardo car was parked infront the pitalne, resulting in the pitlane being close, otherwise lewis has had a decent season beating MR saturday (Geroge Russel) 2-1 in qualifying (1 sec quicker in Bahrain) and P3 and P4 finishes in Bahrain and Australia.Moreover, Lewis got unlucky again in Australia, since before the safety where he was a comfortable p3, but russel was a able to benefit under the SC
I agree Lewis is performing better in My eyes, but Russel in baraign made a bad mistake on his final lap on his first ever qualy against Lewis with Mercedesâ. If he didnât do that apparently his lap was very close to Lewis maybe even beating it if I remember, 1 sec gap wasnât really reflected on how well Russel was doing up until that point.
George is doing really well considering the gap in experience between the two. Lewis is still Lewis though
Yes but the problem is this is Mercedes we expect nothing but the best from them and we can see that itâs been a bit of a struggle for them
Let's not pretend like Lewis pitting first wasn't in his interests. He got the optimal alignment under their perceived optimal strategy, Russell had to wait. You can't get first preference and then whinge when sometimes it breaks against you.
When its bad results ,its the car
When its good results, sir lewis hamilton is the greatest of all time
0:43 what a load of bollocks!! Russell is consistently performing better then Lewis in the same carâŠ
I'm really curious to know if the car would be faster had they stuck with the original sidepods.
In theory, it's slower. But I would say it suffers less problems
Teams like Haas have already said they tried Merc's "no sidepod" design early in their own process, but saw more potential in wide sidepods. Same thing for Ferrari.
So i do think the "no sidepod" design isnt working wonders, but looking at Williams, i dont think their old design wouldve been much better either hahah
the sidepods would have made the floor more rigid, so I assume faster. The floor is apparently flapping at speed which is adding to the problem. I would expect to see some kind of sidepod return in a couple of races. Much like the Williams walrus nose of a few years ago it was in theory a good idea, but in reality it is a disaster.
@@harrybirchall3308 Because they are connected to them - the floor area that should be covered by them on other cars is the part that is apparently flexing
@@harrybirchall3308 Did you not see the first test?
I think this shows a bit how good of a driver George actually is
If it rains I will take the 15/1 odds for him to win. That's a no-brainer for me
@@uprightfossil6673 Definitely interesting to see
@@elacme626 I am not a fanboy. I love sports because of the skills I do not have. I bet because I feel I may be onto something that can pay. Russell at 15/1 (just for a podium finish NOW!!!) would be a shocker considering that the bookies all have LeClerc and Max at 2/1 for everything this weekend. Rain will decide my bet. CHEERS
@@uprightfossil6673 I'm backing George too
what? george has been tremendously lucky.
I'm glad they replaced Bottas with George. Mercedes is really struggling. Bottas deserved better
He may be struggling a little but he really isn't doing that bad lol. Obviously he had a bad weekend at saudi but he edged Russel in pace at both bahrain and Australia. It was only due to the timing of the safety car that Russel ended up ahead.
Edit: OK, Russel was far better at imola. Fair play.
Their fastest laps show Russell 0.5 quicker, set within 2 laps of each other.
He was edging Russel on pace at Saudi after he took one for the team on an experiment setup. Just got unlucky with the safety car combined with closing the pits and re-bunching the field.
@@mick8473 Hamilton was 0.3 quicker than Russell
@@jwork5680 nope
@@alexcepile1420 did u even watch the race?
I like Hamilton⊠but this year clearly is showing that the car makes for the majority of the performance⊠just look at Magnussen finishing P4 in a Haas qualifying at Imola⊠or Verstappen behind the Ferrari or Merc in the back of the middle pack⊠smh
Well of course. But this isn't just Hamilton. Whether you place Verstappen or Leclerc in this car, they will not outperform Hamilton. He didn't just win 7 championships for no reason. Without a good car, you cannot drive at your limit, and Mercedes right now is not allowing Hamilton and Russel to go at their limit like they did last year.
@@yamanesgin how can you confidently say that its not the driver when hes never been in a bad car, there's no data to show he would be better than either verstappen or leclerc in a bad car because he's never been in one. That's why a lot of people are saying that it's Hamilton's expectations etc...
@@harry.4635 I am not confidently saying anything but I also would like to remind you that we he switched from Mclaren to Mercedes, Mercedes didn't have a good car. Now saying that he will be better than Verstappen or Leclerc is an assumption made on the fact that the dude is experienced af and knows how to goddamn drive. Not saying that Leclerc and Verstappen don't obviously but you gotta give credit to Hamilton. He is being treated like Lebron in the NBA. Everything he wins people just hate on him and say it is due to luck. I get that people might have been tired of Hamilton winning for several years in a row but that just proves that it's not only the car.
@@harry.4635 What is this arbitrary rule that a driver must be good in a poor car to be a good driver. Why?
@@yamanesgin Verstappen literally beat Hamilton in a worse car previous season, even with several DNF's that weren't his fault. How can you possibly claim Hamilton would beat Verstappen in an equal battle lol
Great analysis. It definitely explains Russel finishing P4 in Imola. Especially loved the graph and GPS data part. "73.6% of all statistics are made up"...)
Weakest car he ever had was the 2009 Mclaren. DESPITE that, mclaren still got p3 in constructors. Most drivers who aren't blessed their entire carreer would kill to have the 3rd best car for a season. Some drivers are just more capable of driving shitboxes.
Like Lewis
Yeah because the car got some major updates after the German Grand Prix. After that it was clearly one of the fastest cars with the RBs and Brawns. I mean Lewis got two wins and Kovalainen got a lot of solid points as well. Before that they were both bad, like really bad.
Lewis is someone that can give you more than the car is capable of (much like Alonso). I'd like to see anyone else try to get the best out of the most difficult car to drive on the grid.
Lewis isnt capable of driving shitboxes. When you think of great drivers, they all overperformed in shit cars. Senna, Clark, Schumacher, Alonso.
#blessed by the MaFIA
Hamilton also really #blessed albon when overtaking him on pure skill
Hamilton recently #blessd max with a high speed take out into the wall at 45 G
Remember when Hamilshit was so #blessed he cut the chicane at yas marine and STILL LOST
3:03
Laguna Seca .. would love to see a F1 car doing that Corkscrew ;)
If it is fair to talk about Hamilton being great when he is in a great car then it is fair to talk about how bad he is in a bad car. Driver arguments in F1 make no sense until you put everyone in the same car. The you would actually find out who is great, average and bad.
Wet conditions tends to equalise everything more. And Hamilton has won the most wet races of any driver in history
Do you mean like when he was karting?
Just look at that record coupled with his car racing career and then gp2.
Everyone raves about how Alonso is this amazing driver and Rossberg too but he was up there battling with them
spot on!
I agree to an extent, but Lewis has extracted incredible results out of average or even mediocre cars, esp back in the McLaren days. Clearly he was in the best, or close to the best car for years, but he was still driving phenomenally. Would love to see everyone in the same car tho! đ„
For real. People are so deluded with hate that they are saying this season shows what Lewis is like when it's a fair race, I wouldn't call one team on the grid having major issues a fair race. If Usain Bolt lost a toe and started losing races would everybody start saying 'this is what it would have always been like if it was fair'... F1 fans are just intoxicated with hate these days, I prefer when F1 had a smaller fanbase and people just had a passion for racing, rather than a reasonless hate for the individuals racing.
mate its just 1 race.. saudi. hes been faster than russel than all other races and he almost beat perez in Australia, he catches up to him
i think perez didnt push at all having seen max's car dying and having PTSD from 2 weeks earlier
@@PK-sh9ht actually they were suffering severe tyre wear
Exactly Lewis has had better race pace than Russel in almost every race so far. This is coming from a Russel fan
almost is not enough.. almost is the 1st place for losers
@@texeract6209 Not almost... EVERY. He was faster than Russell in Saudi despite having to run the bad set up they chose for QP
Could you clear a question up im not sure on but could mercedes change back to having sidepods during the season or are they now stuck with the body with no side pods has for me theres too much floor exposed compared to other teams so makes me wonder weather the floor is too flexable allowing the airflow to detach itself.
Hamilton always had struggled with no rocketship, it's a fact
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Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. You are in the first step
Its really sad they are so pro-Hamilton. I like the channel but I am increasingly less interested in their content because of videos just like this one. Be openly pro hamilton or put your personal preferences aside and be neutral and create content for fans of all drivers
@@Hannie175 personal preference, or a racing driver clearly seeing a very reliable and fast racing driver in Lewis??
"Its the car and not Lewis" - Hasn't it always been that way ever since he has been there ?
it's the same for every F1 driver
They can't do things their car wont allow them to, it's impossible
Sure it was. However, setting your car up better than your teammate is needed for consistent wins.
Lewis did this by politically influencing Mercedes in not giving him a good teammate. Heâd crash, ignore orders and blatantly tried blocking his teammates when they were far faster.
Lewis is obviously good enough to drive the best car home so Mercedes never had a choice realistically. Bringing in two new drivers is not ideal.
So Lewis could stay, Bottas joined as a filler and Lewis got to drive the best car home unrivalled.
Not only because his car was best, Lewis created the perfect environment within Mercedes. Now George comes in and proves just a good as Lewis, if not better since he finds better setups quicker.
Excuses will come rapidly. Lewis changed, safety cars, stomach hurting, racism, the list will be endless. Anything but admitting Rosberg was just as good as Lewis and random talents like George are as well.
Bravely said. Plenty of truth finally getting out.
Well his rival had the same car. Prost and Senna had a beast of a car when they battle. Dont see yall making the same effort to discredit any of them just cause their car was faster. Leclec wasnât winning anything last year. Guess what?, faster car now he winning. The Irony of yall logic.
There are so many people with there heads up there @$$ there is no way a voice of reason can reach there ears let alone sound logic this is a sport won or lost by seconds or fractions of a second if the car is difficult to drive you won't have the confidence nor the control to be competitive... it's there right to be a hater or a dick rider just like it's there right to be ignorant
Everyone ignoring Lewis was ahead in Bahrain and Australia, and in Saudi the team themselves mentioned how much of a setup error they made. "Lewis is struggling" LOL. Without DRS, he left Russell behind literally in the last race, the narrative here is so good.
They aren't interested in facts mate, they just want to make themselves feel important. Haters gonna hate.
The airflow / downforce / groundeffects combination, exerts more of less inside versus outside tension across the tyre building up during acceleration, like sucking. This deformation will cause the bouncing.
So you want the tyre surfaces themselves as little as possible part of the air flow mechanics and dynamics exerted by all fins, vents and wings for a free motion.
With the pre-2022 old car, the tyres were a forgiving factor, less in play, airflowwise. The sucking could be sufficiently absorbed.
With the lower tyre cheek walls, this has dramatically shifted: one side of the tyre is forced to glue to the tarmac, the other part is sucked in other directions, causing the whobbling.
Also acceleration impairs sucking effects / counter forces within any rotating system.
Look at drag race cars, tyres kind of swelling, lifting the axis. The expansion in one direction pulls at the expansion in the other direction, creating an internal twitching, resulting in porpocing / bouncing.
The more arch is connected, per unit of time, the bigger these counter force pressures, in a progressive magnifying amount.
The combination of all these factors is, what is happening and may make and break car designs.
Interesting Lulu can't drive it and yet Russell is doing well. Maybe just maybe Lulu is not as good as everyone says.
Dutchie spotted đ
Throughout qualifying, it seemed like the hamilton have a slight edge over russell (disregarding jedah where hamilton just f*cked up the setup), similar to bottas where hamilton just find those few extra tenths when needed. However in race pace, he's got more raw speed over russell, again just like bottas. Could be a mixture of experience and talent. Just shows that most of the problem right now is definitely the car. However during racetrim it seemed to be quite more well balanced and have good tyre management
In aistralia they were even on race pace, only reason lewis caught up was because george got told to hold pace, and lewis pushed
@@karl8805 WTF are you talking about? Did you even watch the race?
Lewis was comfortably ahead of George until the safety car came out immediately after Lewis's pit stop. Pitting under the safety car benefited George by about 10 seconds which is the only reason he got ahead of Lewis.
@@alanjm1234 but before that they were equal on pace.... i never mentiones him gaining under SC you did
George could have held lewis behind but got told not to push..lewis pushed which is why he gained...
Read what i said, they were equal on pace
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A question/ possible video idea:
How would this years cars perform if there wasn't a reduction in tront/rear wing aero?
Have Scarbs do an analysis of the MB front wing. Why does it look like a 2021 wing and not like everyone elseâs wing. This looks to send more air to the t-tray as well as it could be producing more front downforce, causing the air to stall at the t-tray. Thoughts?
They are suffering downforce issues like Mclaren had. Ferrari and RB engines have caught up or even surpassed MB in power.
I guess its completely the other way around. Very simple : last year MB was one of the most powerfull ending bc of a discutable decision 2th. How on earth can you wreck the driving characteristics during winter season so incredibly well ????
Thats not possible....unless something happened MB doesnt want us to know. And my guess is that bc of whatever reason they are forced to make the same power as other cars were driving with for years. The MB car therefore has aerodynamics with too less power resulting in a combo that simply doesn't work good. MB will have to come up with a car design which fits the power the engine is making now.
Lewis can't drive as close to the limit as he wants to. Same goes for Russel then?
Affects lewis more since he's a very late braker and porposing makes it harder to pick your braking point
Too much anti-lift in the rear suspension? Less anti-lift means once you tap the brakes it could break the porpoising cycle.
Is the porpoising happening at a frequency close to the frequency of the rear suspension? Could that be amplifying it?
They need to be able to adjust the amount of downforce by adding a series of âgillsâ on the bottom of the chassis wing in front of the rear wheels beside the gear box body work. More cutouts, less downforce, and adjust it to the track
"Nobody could keep the pace with the Ferraris or Red Bulls"
Insert George Russell who's able to take the same car & be 2nd in the championship.
People aren't knocking him because the car's bad. It's because his own team mate is beating him.
"It's the car's fault" is usual Lewis-type excuse for any below par performance.
He's second because the RBs keep getting DNFs
What horse shit ? All the podiums Russell has got this year is due to red bulls reliability issue .. if that wasnt there neither Russell nor Ham would have made points
When you use stats to explain a situation without causality. Well done.
@@VivekSingh-nl6hs never underestimate the mental gymnastics people will do to hate on Lewis Hamilton
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I regularly agree with your opinions but not this time... why does George keeps nailing it then?
Exactly. He makes the claim that theyâre both having these problems but never explains why George is doing so much better than Hamilton
If you look at Imola, both Russel and Hamilton qualified near eachother. Hamilton was less than a tenth off Russel. But you also have to take into consideration the pit lane incident with Albon which put Hamilton into a DRS train while Russel was in open air.
I read that Hamilton is running more extreme set ups and far more sensors for data as well so merc can improve massively. This means Lewis has more weight and more weird sensors. Which George doesnât have
@@jalexkenney I think people donât realize that Russel is quite possibly the best driver in f1. Heâs been outperforming his car throughout his entire f1 career. Hamilton has always had perfect cars, so it makes sense that when car is the problem, Russel is much more experienced overcoming.
Becuz George uses a different car than lewis
The backwards Corkscrew example drove me nuts until I realized what I was seeing... lulz... I used to work at Laguna Seca and I was the one who got Google to come do Street View of the track. In the Google Street View I am standing at the apex of the corkscrew with a leg brace on... I am pretty sure I have met Scott at Laguna Seca, in Ann's office, during one of the Rolex Reunion or Historic car events we had there. . . Great to see this channel doing so well! Keep it up!
Where are all those "Mercedes will fix this by next week" people now?
At 3:47 he had correction in a corner. He NEVER CORRECTS in a corner it's clean. You sees the wheel just jerks. That car is absolute trash right now :D
That was from the Silverstone shakedown, he wasn't pushing.
@@Olivyay I would take this season like a testing season. for tha Merc. Since they couldnt get testing time. They can use tha whole season as testing time.
"It's the car, not Lewis"
I wonder how much of his success can be attributed to the same statement
Cry
and everyone casually forgets every chmpion has a winning car
@@xxDxxism and if it was only the car every year would have been as close as last season between 2 teammates
I mean max got 3 poles this season and was winning all 3 races before retiring in 2 despite having a '2021 mercedes' like redbull against a '2021 redbull' like ferrari
Race winning is always abut a good driver in a good car. Remove one or other factor and you don.t get anywhere. Simples.
Thanks. Brilliant stuff! This is the best explanation to date as to why porpoising affects lap times.
Hamilton fans 2014-2021: ITS THE DRIVER
Hamilton fans in 2022: ITS THE CAR
Cmon man
Hamilton haters 2014-2021 : ITS THE CAR
Hamilton haters 2022 : ITS THE DRIVER
@@andrewmelton2686 đ đđŻCheck mate.
Also Hamilton Haters 2008: Im going to act as if I didnt see that.
@@Alumnikiid you mean the one where he was gifted the title by glock?
@@Alumnikiid you mean the year where for the second time in a row he completely choked away his title chances on lap 1 and was in position to lose again but got saved by rain falling at the perfect time ?
Hes a good driver sure. But one of the best, nah. The greatest has to win under pressure with all the odds against him. Hamilton has never won with the odds against him. In 2021 he was given the perfect chance to silence all his haters. That safety car was a blessing in disguise, if he had won simply by a contoversial track limits decision and just driving forward with the fastest car all race that 8th title would mean fuck all. He finally got the perfect chance to silence everyone who says its all luck and hes not the best driver just lucky to be in the best car. And he couldnt even last 4 turns. You think Senna or Schumacher or even Alonso or Vettel wouldnt have been able to defend for just one lap for the title even with bad tyres. I think they would. Hamilton was finally given the chance to prove he could win even with bad luck and a slower car. But he didnt.
George was P4 in Imola with the same car. Indeed, he finished P3 to P5 in all races so far and is over 20 points ahead of Lewis in the driver's championship.
Different set up , imola russel fell into p4 he didnt cut thru the traffic.. austrailia lewis had bad luck with safety car and russel didnt its very easy to just say russel vs hamilton when luck is on russels side ⊠lewis has a p3 russel has a p3 .. stop the lewis hate .if you really into racing you know what has happened this season stop the trolling
@@solace4114 In Imola they werenât able to set up Russelâs front wing properly; they told him this on the radio. So in Imola Russel was actually the one with bad luck. Hamilton also wrongly called to stay on inters while others were switching to slicks. I have huge admiration for Hamilton but he didnât have bad luck at Imola, he just drove an uncharacteristically bad race.
@@solace4114 Nico Rosberg disagrees with you: "Let's not forget that Russell is in P4 with the same car, so Lewis definitely had a big role to play in that poor result this weekend."
@@franciscocribari how? Russel fell into p4 he did not cut thru the pack.. did u watch the race or u just like to be divisive ?
@@solace4114 I did watch the race. So did Nico Rosberg. When you take into account (i) qualifying, (ii) sprint race, and (iii) race, you realize that George did a much better job than Lewis. I agree with Nico. Also, George did about 40 laps with his car's front wing incorrectly set up. George was P3, P4 or P5 in all four races so far. He is over 20 points ahead of Lewis.
When Merc was a good car everybody was saying that the car doesn't matter, it's all in the driver. Now what it's the car.
False. Everyone knew the MB was faster. There were times Ferrari had a challenging car 2017-2018. When it was LH vs Nico no one said ferrari or RB was faster
Would u say the sane for red bull now
Or IS max AND CHARLES just WAY BETTER DRIVERS lmfao
@@tomlynch7097 Nobody is calling Max and Charles "tHe GrEaTeSt DrIvEr oF aLL tImE" like they still do with Lewis. We are simply trying to point out the undeniable fact that the old Mercedes was so fast that a trained monkey could become WDC in it.
No one was saying that lmao, it was obvious that merc had a better car. That also doesn't mean drivers don't matter though. It's the combo. It's just that merc has an extremely bad car this time
@@yummykebab6711 People without a brain have said that but you are absolutely correct. Drivers are an integral part of the car one does not carry the other they work together.
because for the first time in years other teams were allowed to make a new car...
one race later, Mercedes is out of contention...
nuff said...
Theyâre literally in second place after three whole races lol
@@dsmith2420 :D once RB is finishing, they should be worried to hold the 3rd vs McLaren. ;)
And you know, this is a fact. ;)
They wont win a single race in 2022 ;)
IMO its from the new aero...you go from a high speed/relatively straight line...to turning or angled windage....and its somewhat obvious across the range that this is the commonality/issue with the porposing You go from one coefficient in the high speed/straight zone....and windage is "effective" with the downforce/aero but as you turn/initiate or brake initiate and start to shift overall geometry...its an oscillation Of force on a constant basis each second/speed shift from break/initiation to mid corner/exit accel. Including angle/g and how these all affect downforce/directional force based on aero. I just hope the majority of drivers can stay safe and make it through this season so that they can get back to dialing this cars in from mercs team to others. Even when seasons are seemingly blown...they still have races/tracks to gain important data from.
People seem to forget the reason Lewis has landed in some of the best cars on the grid is because heâs a phenomenal driver and to be fair heâs also shared them with some amazing teammates and how did that work out for them ? Love him or hate him you canât deny heâs one of the goats.
Russel just got 4th place, Hamilton 13th. It is not the car
You do known that Ocon hit Hamilton in the pits and due to that got stuck behind a drs train (which in Imola isn't something you can pass through) and Russel got lucky with the turn 1 incident due to being on the best side of the track and being able to smoothly pass those at the bad side of the track where Sainz Ricciardo Bottas collided and gave Russel a free path to go through and if Alpha Romeo didn't mess up Bottas his pit stop he would've passed Russel and if Leclerc didn't spin at the end Russel would've ended the race in 6th and Hamilton if would've been free of the DRS train he could've worked his way up from the 11th position he had. So this race in particular I would say isn't representative at all.
Is there any concern that one of these new cars will catch air from porposing like the 99 Merc CLR at LM ?
Merc is also slower at the end of straights because they have been forced to run the car high to avoid too much porpoising, losing underbody downforce as a result, and needing to compensate with high wing angles generating more drag.
There is a solution for this car though, as there is for all others. They're trying to find the best possible one for their bouncing issue. Once that is out of the way, they can start finding other performance key points, like weight , power/reliability ratio and drag. It might be too far along for this championship contention but we will see a tighter group of cars by the end of the season and, most importantly, for next season.
Weight? they got rid of most of the weight by getting rid of the sidepods and using weak floors and afterwards complaining and receiving help once more from the FIA. And with nearly no downforce they were over 10 km/h slower than Ferrari on the straights.
You could see it with all the Mercedes powered cars, no top speed. When they were dominating the past years.
80% the car
20% the driver.
When will people finally understand this. đ€Šđ»ââïž
Literally never. They need Ham to be the goat because it helps them relieve the racial guilt their society tells them to feel. Brits are masochists.
Thanks for the content.
There are so many bad comments, to win a race : you need an excellent driver + a very competitive car + a good team behind it with good strategy and settings. So before accusing the drivers people even journalists should think about that.
I think so many people forget about the engineers behind every team. You canât have one without the other.
This new guy scott is pretty good.
He's no Scarbs but he seems to know his stuff
Is it Mercedes or only Hamilton ? Russel is only driver this yr so far to finish in top 5 all races
Lewis is not that special with a top 3 car. Simple. Lewis will struggle to keep up with Russell.
Russell is over him currently.
Color correction on the face is off, seems like you hace a hematoma or bruise up. Lower the intensity of orange and maybe play with tint instead.
Brilliant technical analysis. Awesome refence to the data. Unbiased and spot on!
No driver can win in this year's merc's car, yes. But any driver could win in the previous years' merc car too
Bottas didn't
@@TheRad4manthys Bottas wasn't allowed to. He is very much capable of a WDC, if not for driver preference. Now he tails behind George Russell in an Alfa Romeo. Explains his capabilties that much easily.
"definitely the cars, not the drivers" that doesn't explain why Russel is being consistently better than Hamilton
Because they are being given two drastically different set ups to compensate for the s**t car two so have drastically different cars
One of the main reasons is that George never had the reliability and smooth ride of previous mercs for years. He would naturally be more comfortable in a less than great car as it is more what he has been used to at Williams. Basically he adapted his driving faster. Does that make him a better driver than Lewis? Ask me after he has won 8 WDC. Same applies to Max. No matter how fast the car it still has to be driven consistently week after week, something that Lewis was very good at. Fingers crossed that merc sorts it out soon.
i have a question, that is unrelated to this video. does an f1 driver feel a lockup in the wheels through the brakes (under his left foot)?
Can they put stops on the suspension so the car can't get too close to the road and lose the fast airflow under the floor?
Thanks for the content
By what you say in the first 2 minutes...really makes it look as if he has been spoiled by almost perfect and predictable cars!! ^^
A predictable car is a requirement. How can someone be spoil by a requirement. All manufacturers goal is a predictable car. If they don't produce that then they fail. So u want to go on a plane which is not predictable đ€?
Nice explanation. Thanks.
Wait. How do you even get into a porpoising scenario anyway? It sounds like it can only be suspension-induced. This needs to be explained.
Having the fastest car on the grid for years: "It's Lewis, not the car!"
Having an average car: "It's the car, not Lewis!"
Lewis Achievements PRE-Mercedes:
Karting
- 1995 Super 1 National IAME Cadet Championship
- 1996 Kartmasters British Grand Prix - Comer Cadet
- 1997 Super 1 National Formula Yamaha Championship
- 1999 29° Torneo Industrie Open - IC
- 2000 World Cup Formula A
- 2000 European Championship Formula A
Racing
- 2003 Formula Renault 2.0 UK
- 2004 Bahrain F3 Superprix
- 2005 Masters of Formula 3
- 2005 Formula 3 Euro Series
- 2006 GP2 Series
- 2008 FIA F1 Championship (McLaren)
Notable mention:
- 2007 2nd FIA F1 Championship (McLaren) - lost out by 1pt in his Rookie year.
2008-2013? He still had a top 2 car except for 2009 where he got the 3rd best car.
Many other drivers were just as successful before coming to F1. Nothing special about Lewis
@@sakethedpuganti5697 you have to be absolutely delusional to say that
@@0megalul309 and yet he still managed to win two Grand Prix in 2009.
@@0megalul309 and he outperformed his teammates aside from button in 2011, top 2 car what
Max lapping him today was so funny
Thank you ...that was a nicely balanced and concise summary....
You tried to deflect from the point but said nothing to disprove it. Hamilton does not perform when he doesn't have a dominant car. 2009-12 he had a competitive car and failed. Now we see him in an upper midfield car and has only walked away with points from all 3 weekends due to luck. George, who the last time he was in a Merc would have won handily had it not been for a shoddy pit crew and a puncture, is second in the championship. He only has that second place due to the same luck, but he has elevated the car unlike Hamilton who for his whole career has depended on it.
2009 he won 2 races and 4 poles with one of the most slowest cars. He was the best driver this year
2010 Lewis did a miracle for fighting for the wdc with the 3rd best car overall until the final race. Alonso and Lewis deserved the most
2011 was bizarre year for him. On the first half season he had 2 stunning wins and multiples podiums.
2012 hamilton was the most fastest driver. 4 wins and 7 poles he could have at least 4 more wins without bad luck, bad reliability, bad pitstop and strategy or people crashing into him. He was A LOT unlucky this year. So on this period he should won 2010 and 2012 but was unlucky these year
@@alexlacl8730 keep crying. Alonso in a slower ferrari beat his ass from 2010/2012
How many races did Kovalainen win in that dog of the *2009* McLaren? đ€ đ€
@@0megalul309 Ferrari was better than mclaren in 2010
Alonso himself said that he had the better car most of times
@@Euclides287 Kovawho?
what if ... Alonso drive that car? he did pull out some good laps on Ferrari F14T vacuum car
You will trigger the fanboys on here! đ
arnt they second in constructors ? how far can they be off the pace ?
In regards to porpoising: Ted Kravitz interestingly pointed out during the grid walk before the sprint about the thin sidepod of Mercedes not contributing to a solid structural support for the wide floor.
Yep, they showed the wire supports they had to attach the floor.
It's annoying to see people saying he's done after 3 races. He's still pretty even with George beside from Saudi qualifying he's been just as good as George
Better actually
Faster in race pace in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Melbourne (3/3). Faster in qualifying in Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia (2/3).
*Results and Numbers*
Russell is a great talent and I expect him to become one of the best with experience.
@@keivngibbs2897 how do you figure? Personally I think it's too soon to tell, but GR looks to have every bit as much pace and racecraft... should be interesting moving forward
@@hawkgeoff guy above you explained.. George is fantastic but if we look at numbers baring in mind reasons for finishing place ..he's out performing George. But at this point people are just wanting Hamilton to fail. If he doesn't then how can they not says he's the Goat.
@@keivngibbs2897 The argument is fair to make that he's the GOAT as long as you're not trying to insinuate that he's actually the greatest driver ever. Success and driving ability are dramatically different criteria.
"It's the car, not Lewis"
Well that aged like milk out in the sun
What is the tire coating giving them a shiny painted look??
It's more like why HAM is so off the pace whereas RUS is going quite well! It's something similar to when JB was making the most of the McLaren in 2012 and HAM couldn't. Don't understand why Toto is so apologetic about it. The driver is supposed to bring the best out of the car, not simply win when the car is good. Look at ALO in 2012 when he almost dragged the slower car to championship glory.
It's not really nonsense that Hamilton has been spoiled by great cars. He started out at Mclaren his rookie year and they were one of the best teams back then. Then we all know the merc story so yea....I'm not saying it's exposing him as a bad driver but just the fact that he has definitely been spoiled by nice cars.
good for him then, because he entered McLaren thanks to him actually being excellent in his karting days.
but I don't think everyone knows about the Merc story like back then though. it was like going from a top 3 team to a midfield team. but then Merc surprisingly build a good car during the start of the turbo hybrid era.
The Mercedes is good enough for 4th place with the right driver, but an inferior driver can probably only finish around 13th.
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Did you call schumacher an inferior driver when he drove for Mercedes after Ferrari? He didnt gain any extra wins. Or did schumachers track record still make him the best f1 driver of that generation? Noone could beat his world records till Hamilton came along. And you say Hamilton is inferior to a driver who hasnt even won a race yet đđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđđ
The sprint weekend wont have done them any favours. Less time to test and even then they can't tweek the set up before the main race. It seems to be Mercedes, Hamilton in particular are using the races to test various hypotesis on what's happening under the car. Hopefully they'll have enough extra data to make a better show of it Miami. Also the wet conditions over this last weekend should have lead to more slowmotion shots of the cars demonstrating the vortices spilling out around the car's skirts. I'd like to see comparisons to the Mercedes cars as i believe this is where their issues lie.
I wanna see what they can do with it
Interesting things happening this year!
First of all Lewis is a hell of a driver, being that said, he also has been VERY LUCKY to be on the best car on the grid for the past years. of the 20 drivers out there, most probably 5-10 of them would had the same WCÂŽs if they were on the merc instead of Lewis.
skills take about 50-40% of the whole deal, which , almost all the drivers have already i.e. Alonso, Max, Leclerc to name the best of them.
if this new regulations have shown something is that yes, Cars make drivers win WCÂŽs and not the other way around. Look at checo performance after he went to RB, look at Leclerc situation right now.
if you are in one of those 5-10 drivers, you will rank up if you are given a faster car (sorry gasly, Albon)
few drivers can make that % difference to win over faster machines. (2021 Max is a good example).
Merc will come around eventually and gain some time thats for sure, but without the faster car, it will not take championships anymore, doesnt matter if its hamilton or freaking Senna.
Maybe 5-10 drivers would win titles in the Merc if Lewis wasn't there but only Alonso or Max would be able to compete against Hamilton as a teammate
@@DeLaCroix1211 well he lost to rosberg and button
@@DeLaCroix1211 Norris would get the better of him also Leclerc and Vettel at his peak. They've both beaten him in inferior Ferraris.
@@Querientje So since 2007 he's only lost to a teammate twice, that's pretty good going if you ask me
@@mick8473 Yeahhh that's just not true is it. Vettel failed miserably to beat Hamilton, Norris hasn't even won a GP let alone been in a championship fight. Leclerc could prove himself this year now he's racing for a title
Proves what we all knew: to win you need a spectacular car. Lewis was lucky to have driven a superior car for 8 straight seasons when it was sufficient to beat his team mate
thanks....you are really smart. i'm an lh fan but only understand some basic things. you are really explained it in a down to earth way
The same can be said about the Williams,AstonMartin,Alpine and Alpha Tauri.
Maybe we excuse the results from them too and blame the car.
Russell after all finished 4th.
Kubica got's that magic :)
Hamilton not ?
Cheers :)
Why in the world are you defending Hamilton so much? Seen Russel? What place was he today?đ
So its no excuse for Hamilton to complain this much!
Where was Verstappen? Did he see the behind from Lewis? Yes for sure, but after he lapped him, lol, who goes around comes around!!
If not 2 races engine failure he would stand first in the championship and you all know that!đ
What happened today?
Lewis beat Russell convincingly these past 5 races!
He has beaten russell 2/3 in quali and in the race if it wasnât for bad luck in australia he would have also beaten him 2 out of 3 races.. I donât get why some media (not you guys) are saying he is struggling
I love that porpoising was never mentioned by the FIA at all when the new regs came out. But those of us who are well versed in the sport knew that they suffered with it during the original ground effect era, albeit not to this level. Personally the sight of bouncing cars/helmets and scraping sounds when onboard isn't a nice thing to watch, and i think ground effect wasn't the right way to go. Reverting to the late 80s early 90s level of aero whilst under the cost cap would've have achieved the goal of closer racing without the unsightly porpoising and should have been the path the FIA took.
Let's see, Lewis vs his superstar 24 year old, generational talent, teammate:
Bahrain - Lewis Faster over 1 lap, Lewis faster Race Pace.
Saudi - Russell faster over 1 lap (Merc gambles on LH's setup and get's it wrong), Lewis faster Race Pace (despite keeping bad setup).
Australia - Lewis Faster over 1 lap. Lewis faster Race pace.
conclusion: The old man is still a beast!
Heâs still got it
"Nonsense. Russell is the greatest driver in the history of the universe and Hamilton had all his titles handed to him.. coz affirmative actionz!" - Casual F1 mouthbreathers
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You are streching reality...russell is second in championship my man
@@republikadugave420 This then means Russell is the second fastest driver in the second fastest car? What a nice reality.
@@thomasschraubt7497 well he is second in championship...you do not need higher education to see this
Whatâs scary is - imagine Mercedes fix the issue! They will be rapid!! It shows how good that Mercedes is once the issues are solved!
They wont just fix it overnight. Solutions to 1 problem always create another. The other teams will have time during that to bring upgrades of their own.
@@benny8487 exactly, otherwise theyâd had fixed it by now! It will take time. But fundamentally that car is quick! But no one knows how quick at this stage.
@@benny8487 This. Likelihood is if they do cure the issues then they'll probably be fighting only for 2nd in the Championship.
@@sh-spectrum409 probably! As it will be too late! But donât forget they are a lot of races still left. Never say never.
Based on the assumption it can be fixed. Before the winter test, people are unanimously saying merc will dominate again, after the winter test, people are unanimously saying merc will fix their car and start dominating in Q3. And 3 races in, people are unanimously claiming merc will fix their car and it will start dominating. I'm sensing a trend here.
That would be nice if F1 raced at Laguna Seca in this illustration at the 3:35 mark.
Russell, driving the same car, was 4th in Imola. What is your perspective now, after the race? Not sure if your analysis holds.
He's struggling because the car is a mess right now. Simple answer.
Russell is second in the standings. Is that cause the car is a mess as well?
Russel is doing far better. he is struggling because he has never had a challenging car to drive since entering F1.
hes been faster than Russel in race pace at Bahrain and Australia
In Melbourne, Georges hard Luck with the SC, so he did better than Lewis only on the second race
@@streuthmonkey1 have you watched lewis in his mclaren years, the cars after 2009 were awful
Dont worry, remember he said his team doesnt make mistakes...
Hopefully, this comment won't age horribly like they usually do about Merc.
@@lw1878 Howd you like the order from sprint qualifying today? Sure was payed a lot of money to finish behind a first year teammate. All that experience and skill really showing through eh lol
YO i don't know how I wasn't subscribed before, thought i was. Love your vids G
*SCOTT* the current penchant for using short forms is cultural. When I grew up, a Ford Mercury car was referred to as a *Merc*. Today it's the Mercedes. A Mercedes was referred to as an _MB_ .
It's the car not Lewis" You said the same when Merc dominated? I don't think so... Then it was all Lewis hu? The hypocrisy is real. It's just as much the car now as it was when they were totally dominating everyone, goes both ways buddy.
What do u mean itâs the car and not Lewis winning all those championships ? Are u forgetting all the team mates he had in equal machinery competing for the drivers with him ? He bested every single driver on that grid fair and square
Hamilton battered by Russell yet again. People can say what they like, Russell is getting maximum performance out of a poor car, Hamilton isn't and this has always been the suspicion from the cynics amongst us. LH gets a lot out of a perfect car but can't handle a dog. He's never had to and his legacy is in huge danger this season.
First half of 2009 he was crap as well. Hamilton fans will use the his getting old now excuse. And I agree at 37yo you're getting on a bit. But 2009 he was a young man with young man's reflexes and he struggled first half of 09. So what's happening now at 37 also happened when he was much younger
I think Russel just manages to withstand the bouncing more than hamilton which in the long run makes him faster. Russel said something like hes gonna need a good massage and a hot bath after the race.
@@zerosku96 Russell actually said the car is really fast but the porpoising is a nightmare like you suggest. Makes a mockery of what Wolff says.
He has won in poor cars, fact. In fact his consistency over his career, excluding 2011 season is quite incredible. No driver can win a championship in a dog but only the best take full advantage of the best cars, otherwise he'd have been battered every season by every team mate! Only Nico has managed that and that was on the last race of that season. But hey, I'll take your word for it over a professional racing driver.
@@robertjones8083 Schumacher 94,95 ?? That wasn't a championship worthy car. 94,95 all his team mates together only managed 56 points. Schumacher managed 92 points 94 season alone and was disqualified from 4 races. That's not a beating that's a demolition job. And Hamilton has only had one bad car and that was first half of 2009 and he was absolutely hopeless in it. Certainly no senna in a toleman that's for sure
Explain Russell's results please.
How after all these years and information do they still make a car that has all these issues. Clearly i dont understand the process and rules for each year when it comes to designing a car.
Some help here please so that i can understand how this works
The rules changed massively this year, with a whole new car concept. Some have called the techincal changes as the biggest in the sport's history. Sure, every team will start development of a new car a few years in advance, but Merc were in the thick of the title fight so were able to put less time/resources into the 2022 car. Of course, so were Red Bull and while they've got a quick car over a race distance, they're looking more and more likely to be plagued with reliability issues. Testing is a very limited resource in F1 these days.
Also, as far as I can understand, porpoising isn't something that can be simulated in a wind tunnel, and even if it could, Merc have less allocation for testing as a result of winning the constructor's championship.
I wouldn't worry too much about understanding the troubles they're having, as Merc have some of the brightest minds in motorsport and, with budget caps, are having to very careful of how they go about fixing their problems. They can't just throw money at the problem anymore.