Drinker's Chasers - Queen Cleopatra: Rewriting History
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- The recent release of the new Netflix "documentary" Queen Cleopatra has sparked a storm of controversy, backlash and even lawsuits. Why is modern Hollywood so determined to rewrite history? Let's find out.
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Im surprised Jada didnt force Will to play Cleopatra.
Nah, she’d want someone who she knew could be strong, powerful, and inspiring. Will wouldn’t fit that in her eyes.
He could have played an eunuch
@Eduardo Portas Well, he already is a eunuch so it'd be easy for him hahaa
I’m surprised Will hasn’t gone to slap that lawyer
😂😂😂😂
Lads, I am so glad you’re talking about this. I am Greek and sick and tired of the entertainment industry blackwashing my culture. BBC did it to Achilles and now this nonsense. Cleopatra VII was the product of 300 years of inbreeding by the Ptolemy dynasty, who were, as you stated, Macedonian Greek. The very name “Cleopatra” was held by Alexander the Great’s sister, aunt and step-mother. This hijacking of a figure who is so important to Egyptians, Greeks and Macedonians is repulsive.
As a fellow Greek, I second this ✊
@@eriktatos Efharisto. I am so angry about this! it makes Brad Pitt’s Troy look historically accurate…which the archeologists at Troy 6 have ridiculed.
Even Egyptians know its bullshit! They could say she looked like them, but even they know what she was and how she looked.
I'm not Greek, far from it. However Greece has influenced the world even far beyond the borders of Europe. A little amount of respect should be a given, but these "filmmakers" have no respect or regard whatsoever
Well if they're going to use a historically inaccurate actor, then you could do worse than have BRAD PITT in the role!
Sad part of this, is that Cleopatra was an incredible person, with an amazing story. But they’re gonna gloss over that, to tell a “girl-boss” tired stereotype, that no one is going to enjoy.
are they? we haven't really seen that of the show besides the whole casting thing.
They should’ve cast Dylan Mulvaney as Cleopatra just to troll everyone.
Well, TBF DM probably looked more like Cleopatra than Adelle James
As an Englishman who's already seen this history thieving BS with Anne Boleyn I support the Egyptians in this matter!!
@Do you know whats happening in Xinjang? - Ali. Check your idiocy please
@henry dicarlo sir, this is the soy society section. I would like you to refrain from creating hilarious new epithets as the soft skins won't be able to handle them 🤣
But in 20 years after all English history are now black achievements, they'll start hating them instead of hu-whyte peepo for being the colonizing racicicists.
Yeah but that was just a reciprocal deal with the new 'Shaft' movie...Stephen Fry will be playing the eponymous hero!
@@DeafEnder I work at a state university. This would be the red meat alphas on campus.
The sad thing is that Cleopatra is one of the most fascinating and extraordinary woman of any time. She enthralled two of the greatest men of her age and was hated and feared by the third. She had a son by Julius Caesar and two children with Marc Anthony. Her alliance with Anthony against Augustus almost succeeded and if it had, the two would have probably made Julius Caesar's son the Emperor of Rome and ruled through him. She was brilliant, but also ruthless. She married her half-brother and had her sister assassinated. There was a great story here, but instead of telling it, Netflix gives us political pandering. It's like Will Smith stood up and slapped history in the face.
Yep, the story is literally handed and gift wrapped for us for a great potential of a narrative
And yet we're more focused on making sure to PC pander because thats apparently all that we care for nowadays, than you know... telling a story
After the lies & foolishness from "The Woman Thing" how can this be surprising?
A hatred of humanity is the common thread in everything the CCP bribes the media to do. Hopefully, investors will pull out and China's economy will collapse, soon.
That way we can go back to ignoring the psychopaths among us.
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Someone tell him and Jada to get Cleopatra’s name outta their mouths
If the Ptolemy’s hadn’t murdered Pompey in cold blood and paraded his decapitated head around Alexandria in a misguided attempt to impress Caesar, it’s likely we wouldn’t know her from any of the other dozens of Cleopatras.
I finally saw the advertisement for this. As a historian, I was completely floored by Netflix advertising this as a documentary. Cleopatra with a sword? WHAT???? And they were flat out saying that Cleopatra was black, and that is nowhere close to reality. Not even close.
If they would have just made a movie with the actress playing the part like Elizabeth Taylor did, I could go with it, and possibly enjoy it. But they are pushing this as an actual documentary. It's nothing but a blatant lie.
Cleopatra was a Ptolemy, the last of the Greek/Macedonian rulers of Egypt. She was Greek, she looked Greek. We know a lot about her from Roman sources, and there is not a single reference to her being black, and the Romans were aware of racial differences and were interested in them. In the context of the narrative pushed by the Rome-based Octavian (who would become Caesar Augustus), which cast the Roman civil war (Rome-centred Octavian vs Egypt-based Mark Anthony) and pre-war divisions as between traditional Roman simplicity and Eastern decadence, is it likely that we would have no reference to Cleopatra as being dark-skinned? No, to emphasise the difference, polemicists would have mentioned it as an example of difference, as evidence of the strangeness of Mark Anthony's alliance and romantic entanglement with Cleopatra. There are hundreds of contemporaneous sources, and no such evidence is shown.
A black Ann Boleyn. A black AND female Viking jarl. Black and Asian Regency Era English gentry. Victorian England as multiracial. The 16th century royal courts of England and Scotland being both racially diverse and with open homosexuality. Within the last few years, "modern" film/TV show creators have gone on a tear of rewriting the past as they wished it was. Sort of surprised that it was race-swapping Cleopatra that finally triggered a significant blowback.
Cause it's being presented as a documentary. The others are historical retellings or just fictional soap operas.
I think the backlash worked because the people leading the charge are Egyptians, for whom the usual non-argument of "white supremacy" would not work.
Not surprising at all, as long as they do this to European history they are 100% safe, if Europeans retaliate they get 'the boot in the face' if you get what I mean.
I find it very telling that with all these "reinterpretations for modern audiences" that we keep getting, what with race-swapping and gender-swapping characters around to fit their particular political agenda... couldn't help but notice they didn't do the same for Fresh Prince of Bel Air with their new Bel Air remake. Hmmm... no, all the characters are exactly the same race and gender from what I can see. Also noticed the same thing for a few other shows and movies that originally had black or female actors... no "reinterpretations" for those, either? Hmmm... I guess I'm just a racist and a misogynist for noticing...
They're so busy making diversity happen, they're probably actually making it harder for people to understand people that aren't like them when isn't that the vital reason for including diversity? It's so backwards and self centered!
Egyptians being "African" is as accurate as Russians being "Asian".
Same continent doesn't lug all cultures into the same race.
Saw an old "Race Map" that listed all flavors of asain as "MONGOLIAN"
It's basically that
@@McBanditHope there are a number of asiatic states within the Russian federation, but I understand what you're saying
@@McBanditHope yet color is more related to weather and latitude, we can't say that Indians and Japanese are one race
cleopatra was not greek but she was of greek descent . they been living for over 200 years . she was mixed . its proven from documents .
russia has dozens of ethnicities , they mention them with their name .
The director of Cocaine Bear was going to use a lion because they felt that lions were under represented in stoned killer apex predator movies. Thankfully they changed their mind.
Wiser people than me have said it: "Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it."
Former 8th grade social studies teacher here. Folks will ABSOLUTELY believe what the movies tell them is history. I cant tell you the number of historical errors ive had to fix that came from movies. And it's only getting worse!!
Imagine they make a holocaust movie with a black S.S. Officer , then people will believe the Nazi's were inclusive and willing to enlist men of colour . Only a matter of time .
people already believe stuff from movies as fact that DON´T claim to be a documentary and historically accurate.... i tremble in thought how many would believe that. because if you don´t know already your history facts, cleopetra being more black than white sounds logical based on how egyptians look today
My history teacher first year in college, fist day in class, first words out of his mouth: "Hollywood movies are not history".
The sad part to this tale is that Cleopatra and The Ten Commandments are European washed movies, but appropriate in terms of how white both the Macedonian Ptolemaic kingdom elite and the 19th Dynasty was. None of the current groups fit the pre Bronze age collapse Egyptians, and you might even look awkward with casting for that, choosing current Syrians, Lebanese, south Turkey for those roles (They might be the closest groups).
@@jrus690 And even people in those regions didn't survive unchanged for long with the Islamic conquests swept through the area. Maybe some pockets of Berbers here and there in North Africa?
This is the type of show that angers everyone, just like Velma
Why, was Velma Macedonian too?
@@ArsonFire00
Bactrian.
@@ArsonFire00 apparently Velma is Indian
Somehow
I'm not angry but, maybe I'm wrong since you know everyone so well
It's shows like this that, ironically enough, bring people together due to everyone agreeing about how shite it is and, thus, leading to no arguments (bar a disagreement on which aspect of the show was the worst lol)
My favorite inaccuracy in Braveheart is that Sophia Marceau's character was 3 years old at the time of the events of the movie and still living in France.
Sophia: You are a fool, Braveheart. I could have given you the world!
Braveheart: The world is NOT enough, yer cunt!!!
as Stuart Lee said in his stand up about Braveheart...... (not CZcams comment friendly but worth a look)
In a nutshell, "We are revising history to justify revising YOU!"
Bingo.
Ryan Gosling as Martin Luther King, make it happened Hollyweird!
He won’t have the time as he has already signed on to play Pres. Obama
No, you silly. Jack Black should be MLK! He's a BLACK!
I want Lady Gaga for Rosa Parks
Ryan Reynolds as Malcolm X
Robert Downey Jr in blackface as MLK Jr.
I am so fucking sick of this. If you're this insecure about your own past you need to steal others, it says more about you than your "haters".
Its inferiority complex.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 THE IRONY IS CRAZY. You really don’t read that much do you?
@@actionscott8033 what irony is there? The people claiming someone was an ethnicity she was not are the black documentary makers. No one else does this, especially without correction or mockery.
@@John-fk2ky more irony 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 this is incredible.
@@taags Except it's middle-class white people with genetic guilt indulging in this virtue-signalling ideological insanity on behalf of other demographics!
Speaking of both Egyptians and Genghis Khan, here in Britain I watched a Genghis Khan movie on Talking Pictures TV a couple of weeks ago, starring the Egyptian Omar Sharif as Khan. That guy must have appeared as more ethnicities in his career than just about any other actor.
Antony Quinn and Yul Brynner also appeared as soooo many different ethnicities as well.
Rob Schneider
It really is quite worrying how this is being labelled as a documentary, when you see that word you rely on that information being empirical so for those who aren’t educated on the topic it’s really dangerous. We’re getting closer and closer to book burning levels of discarding history…
We *are* past the book burning levels. "Science" is run by complete ideologues and there are multiple theories that have been all but disproven that are still treated as dogma.
They ask why you have a problem with a black Cleopatra but the reality is that they have a problem with a Greek Cleopatra
Good thing Greeks were black, too
@@EvilDoresh in what universe???
@@sakisgr1396 The woke one
BBC is basically rewriting Greek history but with an all black cast
The Asterix comics are more accurate than a documentary on Netflix
A wonder what actual research can do to your product
LOL thank you dogmatix, and gitafix for teaching more about history, than jaundice smith.
Agreed fully hahaha I learned more about Roman history through those comics and strangely it's far more accurate than any Netflix series could ever be
In all fairness, those books are usually well researched.
Theres a YT video where they recreate what she likely looked like based on actual historical artifacts and descriptions. Its worth watching.
In Egypt, there are laws about preserving and representing the nations history. Remember that back in the early days of British and other nations intrusion into Egypt, Mummies were cast into steam engines coal fires for fuel supplementation because mummies were everywhere and cheaper than coal to them. They used to have soldiers stealing their artifacts as kitsch and things to sell out of the country. For a long time, many nations trampled on the history and artifacts of Egypt, I'm not shocked to see them mad at Americans for doing this.
Woah um... I didn't know they straight up used mummies as fuel. That's beyond disrespectful!
Hey, I'm black and even I know Cleopatra was not black. It is well documented.
If Gal Gadot was better at acting, maybe...
Tbh if they want to make it “accurate” they would need to get a less beautiful actress because wasn’t it said that the real cleopatra wasn’t really THAT beautiful?
I had a boss (black) who did. I discovered the best way to stop that kind of conversation is to mention how much she liked the older white men.
Gal Gadot is Jewish, not Greek. Besides, she already has played Cleopatra.
@@elijahtiemens5532 she's Iranian. Closer to what Greeks actually looked like than an African.
They got Cleopatra Queen of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt confused with Foxxy Cleopatra from Austin Powers in Goldmember. Easy mistake to make if you've never read a history book.
Or Cleopatra Jones, a 70s movie with Tamara Dobson.
Well done!!!
It's no mistake, all intentional.
I think they confused her with Cleopatra Jones from the 70s Blaxploitation movies.
@@mayloo2137 2 70s movies. Don't forget CLEOPATRA JONES AND THE CASINO OF GOLD! 😄
Monica Belluci played Cleopatra (in Astérix: Mission Cléopatre) and i do believe real Cleopatra looked really close to her in term of complexion.
Leonor Valera and Gal Gadot also probably are the right type.
Monica was fantastic! Leonor is my favourite!😊
@@Facade953 I fell in love with Leonor.
Egyptian here and loving your take on this. What's even more insane is how they insist on "empowering" women by giving them male powers like being sword masters or stronger than men or whatever shit they think up these days
Honest question. Do you consider yourself African?
@@Mollwa That's a loaded question. Africa is a diverse continent. One of the most diverse in the world. It's like an Irishman asking a Russian if he considers himself European.
The answer would be technically yes, but no, I do not consider myself black if that is your true question. Just as how an Irishman would not consider himself Slavic, despite both being European
@NTLuck Not loaded. I'm South African. I understand the nuance. But experience has shown me that " I am not black AND I am not African" is not an uncommon sentiment up north. Kinda makes it hard to unite against this B.S. it is only a matter of time till the History retcon movement deletes the whole continent.
@@Mollwa understandable. I know plenty of my fellow Egyptians do not see themselves as African as Africa is so huge and clearly divided by the Sahara that no one can ever assume that we share enough culture to consider ourselves the same people. It's like assuming Indians and Chinese to be the same because they are in Asia when they couldn't be more different.
@@ntluck1592 he didn't assume. He simply asked what you considered yourself. Why keep going on and on? He said he understands the nuance of his own question.
I'm outraged that Justin Trudeau wasn't cast as Cleopatra.
He already proved his acting range dressing up as Aladdin. 🙃
Would not be a stretch for Justin, same costume, same makeup, just forget the banana for this role.
I would say that as a black man, Trudeau is the wrong gender, but then, what even is a "woman" anymore?
16:57 “fatman” with Mel Gibson was awesome & I didn’t even care Mrs Claus was black… they both fit the roles perfectly
Characterizations like black face also fits him like a glove
@@lesigh1749 "Trudeau is the wrong gender"
If you've seen how Justin sits/talks/generally acts, he'd fit the part.
Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra wasn't pretending she was in a documentary. The comparison is both dishonest and ludicrous.
Plus she really wasn’t that bad a fit for the part, even if the hair splitters and goal post shifters will say she was too white, or beautiful, wasn’t actually Greek , etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth.
I bet the real Cleopatra would have preferred to be portrayed by Elizabeth Taylor!
@@danbaumann8273 You cant criticise elizabeth taylor for being too white without opening the floodgates to criticising all portrayals of greeks and romans in hollywood.
Brad pitt didnt exactly look like he was from the med.
White washing exists 🙀 in movies 😀 but cuntservatives can't see that 🤔
@@andrewshaw1571 Achilles was described as blond fair haired though.
I actually had somebody on Quora ask me "Why cant people just accept that Cleopatra was the first African-American queen?" How do you answer that level of stupidity and ignorance?
It's simple, you just don't. You shouldn't give value to such individuals.
They also call this a documentary. It’s different than if it’s just a movie- there’s an increased obligation to get the history right,
What’s funny to me is that Cleopatra had some Persian ancestry and likely resembled the director more than the lead actress. As far as Cleopatra’s beauty - Egypt was the biggest grain supplier to Rome, so control of Egypt meant control of the price of bread in Rome. So yeah she had some attraction.
The amount of historical figures that they are trying to claim are black has gotten completely outrageous. St. Augustine (Roman) Cleopatra (greek), Euclid (Greek), The ancient Egyptians (Coptic, and we can literally see from the mummies that they wern't), the list goes on and on. And that's just the ancient people, I have seen them claim that figures as well documented and recent as Ludwig Beethoven were actually black. It's absolute insanity and people need to not tolerate it.
The thing is that there are famous historical people that actually were black that you may not have known were. Like Author Alexander Dumas who wrote the count of monty cristo and the three musketeers. Ok he was only a quarter Haitian and it's actually his father I would make a movie on. He was Napoleon's infamous black general who led a hell of an interesting life.
Instead of race swapping find some great characters there are plenty out there.
This is just insanity and delusion, this is cultural war in full force.
@@Welsh_Dragon756 Half black general, he was a creole. Gannibal, also known as ''Tsar Peter's negro'', was equally awesome and 100% African.
When does being Roman excludes one from being black? You haven't heard of Lucius Sepmtimus?
@@tahirflint75 was that the black Roman emperor? If so that's definitely someone I would like to learn more about.
Do you expect Jada Pinket Smith, who was unfaithful in her marriage, to be faithful to historical truth? If a person can lie in one important arena, it is no surprise that they do it in another.
It's almost like morality or lack thereof manifests in all ways of life.
entangled history month
Exactly! How many times did Donald J. Trump cheat on his wives and had to be divorced due to his lack of morality? He's lucky wife #3 cares more about money than their relationship after he cheated with a porn actress just days after the delivery of his youngest son. He's also known as the president who lied more than any other during his administration. You cannot trust serial philanders whether they're actors or they're real estate developers/politicians who cheat on their spouses.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
Oh so you don’t really know your White Greek scandalous Cleopatra do you? She was the biggest liar, unfaithful woman in history that had a baby out of wedlock with her lover, married her brother, and committed suicide. 😯😛
Sixty years ago Hollywood sold the cast, not the story. John and Liz were big names and they got the top roles. With very few exceptions, like Zorba The Greek, there were not many, marketable, ethnic actors. So like good business people, the studios went with the actors that the public wanted to see.
I’m so looking forward to seeing a remake of the crown staring queen latifah
As if The Woman King wasn't a loud enough warning...
Still can't get over that title. They aren't even trying anymore 😂
At the very least, despite how ineptly inaccurate it was, they at least got their race correct. Cleopatra couldn’t even get that basic requirement down.
At least it wasn't being presented as a "documentary".
portraying a bunch of murderous goons who regularly massacred large groups of slaves in religious rite as 'brave crusaders against slavery' - no thanks
sweJ in Hollywood throw money at these projects regardless, it doesn't matter what the audience thinks, these projects are not designed to make money.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute."
We live in an Orwellian age
@@Sylmarys24 Every age is Orwellian.
Some ages are just more Orwellian than others.
Yes , like that Tyrant of Canada TURDO ,, trying to re-write history the other day with his pathetic speach !! and the pleb's will believe it as well , that's the sad truth !
White washing exists 🙀 in movies 😀 but cuntservatives can't see that 🤔
@@donweatherwax9318 I call bs. It's like comparing kids play fighting with second world war tier industrial warfare. Communism is just WAY more adept to it because of its revolutionary nature.
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That comment about Cocaine Bear being more accurate than Cleopatra made me laugh so hard! xD
That's it, you guys are brilliant! Love these panels and I'm subscribed!
I, personally, have met at least five people who think ‘Inglorious Basterds’ is real. Like, they actually think that’s how Hitler died.
They must be young
Everyone knows he died in his mech-suit during a fire-fight against an US Army Ranger.
@@EvilDoresh lol😂
I mourn our species' collective IQ
@@EvilDoresh That I would watch.
I can't wait for the remake of Roots starring Tom Holland. Oh, that would never happen? Odd. Seems like "colorblind casting" only ever works one way in Hollywood...
oh man id LOVE to see an all white remake of roots. the hypocritical backlash from blacks would be crazy. its never been ok to "lift up a people who are seen as lesser" in this kind of way. how does black washing white characters do anything for black people? how does that lift them up from being a minority to a majority? and if they did become the majority then whites would be the minority then right? so then whites can do the same that the blacks just did when they were a "minority". its all greedy selfish narcissistic garbage that needs to stop already.
Roots was fiction. All of it. Example the part where the whites are shown hunting and capturing the Africans. No the Africans did that on their own and presented them to the Barbary (north african ) slave market owners who sold them to the whites. And they weren't zulus like Oprah thinks. They were all west African. And when the British ultimately stopped the 3500 year trade after participatingfor 100 years, the Africans rioted because they wanted to continue their business . Dahomey millionaires exist today thanks to their ancestral wealth from trading their own people. Roots conveniently left out that. Blacks should be feeling victimized by the own people, not anyone else.
👍 To Az just for the "That's more people than are going to watch the show..." Such softly spoken words never have I heard so needle point sharp.
Yeah.. I once saw a clip from HBO's _ROME_ (Great show btw) with an old friend of mine. When the show presented the Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt, he immediately claimed whitewashing.. As a history buff, I quickly corrected him. The Ptolemy were of course white/mediterranean. He and I stopped being friends after the release of The Last Jedi.
Let me guess, he called it better than The Empire Strikes Back. This is what the woke critics did.🙄
@@Facade953 You're not far off. He said it was a "Masterpiece." Just cringe.. I never knew he was so woke.. that's why we don't talk anymore lol.
Not a friend you want or need. Woke lefties are the bane of civilization . I see a lot of woke white lefties daily. Brainwashed.
And the big difference here is that this show is being advertised as a documentary. The movie in which Elizabeth Taylor played Cleopatra VII was designed purely for entertainment.
But much closer to the truth.
Well tbf this wouldn't be the first stupid, unscientific documentary on Netflix...
For that matter, Elizabeth Taylor (although an Englishwoman) didn't look radically different from Greek actresses of the 1960s. If someone makes a historical docuseries on queens of Egypt's Nubian 25th dynasty, then by all means cast black East African actresses for those parts (since their dynasty originated in Sudan, i.e. Kush/Nubia). But Cleo was literally colonial European.
But there are Egyptian, north african women and those in the Levant that look like Liz Taylor. They don't look like the actress in the Netflix crap.
@@zamar2158 Yeah, native Egyptians are obviously a different matter than the Kushites (ancestors of the Sudanese). I was merely demonstrating how silly it is to portray Cleopatra like a Nubian, when she was the absolute least likely person for that given her family's Greek origin and practice of incestuous marriages between brothers and sisters. Native Egyptians are mostly olive or brown MENA folk like people in the nearby Levant or Libya.
Two Things That Jada Doesn't Know How They Look:
1. Cleopatra.
2. Alopecia.
Yeah, Alopecia and Latrina - the famous rap duo from Chicago, right?
Pleased that The Last Kingdom ended without going full-on woke. Maybe not the best ending ever, but, overall, a very respectable end to a great series.
Despite the whole skin color shit, I have another problem with that. This whole "We'regonna make them black, so young girls learn they can become anything they want" is total bullshit. Cleopatra was born into royalty. It's not like she grew up a dirt poor slave girl, worked hard, raised an army and conquered Egypt. She was simply born into the right family and just happened to be next in line for the throne. What kind of lesson is that? "Hey, kids. You can do anyhing you set your mind to, no matteryour skin color. Just be born into the royal family. That's all."
Shouldn't they highlight on _actual_ success stories then? Instead of bending history to fit whatever morale they want to teach?
I found this documentary stunning and brave, especially the scene where Cleopatra came in riding on top of her T-Rex leading the Autobots into the Battle of Caprica against Thanos and the Umbrella Corporation. The scene where she raised Mjolnir above her head and screamed her pronouns alongside her love, Harry Potter.....so brave! 😊
You missed out the lightsabre in her other hand, other than that 100/100
You, sir, should be a Hollywood screenwriter.
The best bit was when she screamed: "It's Morbin' time!", and morbed the USS Enterprise onto the KKK.
@@Fearsome_Gonad KKK: You mean Kathleen Katelin Kennedy?
I loved the part where Cleopatra swam across the Atlantic Ocean and defeated the entire army of Genghis Khan entirely by herself. She beat him so bad he had to return to his home on the dark side of the Moon! So historical!~
Let's ignore copious amounts of archaeological evidence, period accounts, and serious scholarship regarding Cleopatra, and believe what a bunch of American grandmas say about who she was. 😂
Let’s get the definition of Ham out of the so-called Jewish generated Zondervan’s Pictorial Bible Dictionary: “Ham - The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of the eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races; NOT THE NEGROS, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.”
Lying historians is nothing new, people!
American Gen-X’ers & Millennials have done these lying outrages against truth!!
More like Aunt Jemimas.
People often defend the race-swapping of real historical figures by arguing that it doesn't matter, because race should be irrelevant... it's just about the ability of the actor... it's more appealing to modern audiences... etc.
In that case, how would one react to a black actor playing Queen Elizabeth II in the The Crown, for example? I imagine that the vast majority of people would find it both ridiculous and disrespectful.... and that's exactly why it's a problem when it's done elsewhere.
The joke here that Netflix was trying to blachwash the Egyptian history, but it backfired at Netflix by letting everyone know much more about the Egyptian history and even the Egyptian people themselves including me, we found out more and more about our history and we're spreading knowledge and awareness everywhere.
At this level, it's just revisionism of our history
Who would’ve thought? It’s almost like they’re trying to put themselves as the top moral authority of the world…
To erase and re-write their history AS FACT is actually considered genocide of the culture it belongs to.
And who has the most influence in Hollywood?
Oy vey...
Do some research on totalitarianism....it's all part of the playbook.
No its not - and who owns "our" history. She could really have looked like the actress who is mixed race, not black.
I'm actually surprised Lizzo wasn't cast as Cleopatra.
We will put lizzo in everything. you WILL like lizzo or else
Like how Sigourney Weaver was casted as a African? 😂😂
@@actionscott8033 I think that was in the movie Gorillas in the Mist, where Weaver played Dian Fossey, an ape researcher. Fossey was white so Weaver's casting was appropriate. Dian Fossey was considered an outsider. She was not considered African. And the African people liked her so much, they brutally murdered her because they didn't like her activism.
god no! are you trying to make people go blind?
@@claudiameier666 Yuck! We don't need that whiny cow in anything!
Boss Level. We need more movies like this. One lead actor, who’s pretty much a C lister. All other actors are extras. A fun cameo/ indie legends like Michelle Yeo.
And it was a fun action movie, somewhat cynical in the beginning, but with a bit of an uplifting tone about fatherhood and family. It didn’t take itself too seriously, but it wasn’t the tired old self aware marvel humor either. Frank Grillo was Kinda charming it it too. And I bet the budget wasn’t that high.
I wish hollywood made more low budget movies like this. I wish every movie wasn’t a bloated 200 million dollar movie where a failure is huge.
Imagine how many ‘Boss Level’ type movies could have been made in exchange for Quantumania or Thor love and thunder.
Why can’t Hollywood take risks on low budget movies? The risk is low, and the payoff is so much more.
"Braveheart was 100 per cent accurate!" I was once in Scotland and was shouted at because the English killed Wallaces' wife. A wife, who the film can't even be bothered to give the correct name to, and might not even have existed. And also, I wasn't there at the time.
You WEREN'T?!
LOL! I'm an American. One of my wife's aunts(I'm married into an Asian family) went to see the movie "JFK", and when she came home she yelled at me about the cover up after Kennedy's assassination. Never mind the fact that I wasn't even born until several years after he was shot.....
What bothers me the most as a mixed raced person is that there is genuinely so many male and female black people throughout history that are genuinely incredible and interesting and most people have never ever heard of. These people genuinely push the agenda that black americans dont have any history and need to be included in other ethnicities history to make them feel better about being who they are. We can tell real interesting stories and refuse to acknowledge it at all. It seems to be by design.
yep, you nailed it. black americans have no idea they're being played like this but they keep buying into it because the government is playing into what black americans like and dont like. if they weren't so up their own arses, black americans could see this and make it stop but they dont and so they keep making it worse for themselves and future black americans. as an american myself i can tell you we know nothing about african history AT ALL. they never tell us in school and its a shame. they need to teach REAL african history already, give black americans their REAL god damn history and not this fake BS.
Name one
@@rationalbacon5872 queen candace of nubia who defender her lands from Alexander the great. King mansa musa allegedly the richest man to ever live. Queen candace would make for an incredible theatrical story.
Alexander the not-so-great
They want to gaslight the negroes to reenslave them.
The man who wrote Jaws said he regrets it because he never meant to make basically the whole world afraid of sharks.
I read that interview with Peter Benchley years ago. I think it was in Playboy
Heh I think sharks made the whole world afraid of sharks
Personally I think it made the world afraid-er of sharks.
Long before the book or movie seafarers, surfers and swimmers have always had a bit of an antipathy against big toothy fish nipping pieces out of them.
We did go too far after the movies hunting them, mainly because we are dangerous little monkeys with poor impulse control and a tendency to attack whatever scares us.
i read it as j.e.w.s. 😭😭
Humans have always been afraid of sharks.
Same as with other animals of prey.
Personally I think Netflix should make a movie about the life of Napoleon Bonaparte. And hire Kevin Hart to play him.
I'd personally prefer Chris Tucker
@@EvilDoresh hell let's go all out. Samuel L Jackson. "I'm tired of all these mutha fkin Englishmen on this mutha fkn battlefield".
I want to see movies about Shaka Zulu starring Jason Momoa in the lead role, and a movie about Nelson Mandela with Sir Anthony Hopkins portraying Mandela. Give them a dose of their own medicine.
The Conqueror was so famously panned even during the time it came out that legend has it John Wayne would physically cringe anytime someone mentioned the film in conversation.
"Say... yer beautiful in yer wrath!"
Nobody’s more pissed about this than Egyptians and Greeks
Oh wow! Why are they upset? Any documents or links?
Here's the litmus test. If its okay to replace a white with a black then it should be okay to replace a black with a white. Appropriation is appropriation and revisionism is revisionism. This needs to stop.
When Marc Antony slapped Brutus and told him to keep Cleopatra’s name out his mouth was dope. Morbius was amazing too
I love how the biggest thing they say is "well Elizabeth Taylor played Cleopatra wheres the outrage?" Well tbh she was probably closer in pigment to the real Cleopatra then this current actress trying to play Cleopatra lol. 🤷🏻♂️
Also that movie came out before alot of them where born so...
I don't think whataboutism is as good as an argument as they think it is
Different social climate. Made for entertainment, not agenda. Not sold as fact.
The Elizabeth Taylor movie didn't pretend to be a documentary as well. But yeah, they should just cast a Mediterranean and call it a day
The hypocrisy of Hollywood and their unquestioning followers never ceases to amaze me. You have the Lilo & Stitch remake (big surprise Disney’s remaking that…) with people going stark raving mad over the girl who’s playing Nani being slightly lighter skinned despite her being Hawaiian, yet here is a clear historical bastardization (even if we’re not entirely sure what her skin tone was, there’s quite a lot of evidence to show she was of Macedonian or Greek decent) but Jada and the team are like “oh, well we need more empowering colored female figures that haven’t had their stories told” and people eat that shit up…like what is it you want? Do you want accuracy to representation or representation only when it suits your needs? You can’t have it both ways, especially in historical context where these people actually existed!
The more I see this, the more I find the whole Ryan Gosling as MLK joke less funny and more like a perfect example of why this hypocritical shit is so stupid. With that logic, that MLK casting should be totally fine.
It isn't "heavily inferred" that Cleopatra was of Macedonian descent...she was a Ptolemy.
@@stischer47 I say inferred as a way of meaning “based on existing evidence,” so neither of us are technically wrong.
how does lying and stealing a culture empower anyone? how about you actually look into african history and find an actual african woman who did great things instead of stealing another cultures female hero. no one knows nothing about african history except the lies we've been told like cleopatra was black. oh and that they're poor and have slave labor. thats it.
What they want is more personal hypocricy
Yeah, Eric July showed two tweets, both from the same person, the first proclaiming praise for black Ariel of the Little Mermaid remake, and the second going, "Whoa, this is NOT the Nani I grew up with" over the casting choice for Nani of the Lilo and Stitch remake.
I think in the comics black falcoln was darker than anthony mackie, and thus I never thought the mcu was able to accurately depict Black Falcoln’s look accurately
The most Egyptian character since Sean Connery in Highlander!
This isn’t a movie, it’s a historical documentary . So they’re trying to rewrite history
I loved the part where Cleopatra gathered the 5 parts of Exodia. Best part of the documentary
Yeah but Ezra Miller wasn't very good as Kaiba.
@MK ULTRA ezra miller would be Mokuba
😂😂
Let’s duel 😂
I loved the part where Cleopatra swam across the Atlantic Ocean and defeated the entire army of Genghis Khan entirely by herself. She beat him so bad he had to return to his home on the dark side of the Moon! So historical!~
Saying Cleopatra is Black because Egypt is in Africa is like saying Stalin was Chinese because Russia is in Eurasia.
Ironically north africa has historically been pretty pale, at least compared to sub-saharan africa.
It’s funny that people that are “against cultural appropriation” has made the most “cultural appropriation” movie ever made.
Good luck to the Egyptian archaeologist suing Netflix
They can’t even figure out if bones are from man or woman anymore - the woke are morons.
arabs , not egyptians .
@@Q_QQ_Q we are Egyptian but we speak Arabic like so many countries l will give you so many examples Mexican speaking Spanish they never said we are Spanish, Brazilian speak Portuguese they never said we are from Portugal 🇵🇹, USA speaking English, so many countries in Africa speaking French . Listen to me Egyptian people very smart and we know what black peoples want and let me not talk about all blacks people but some of them ( Afrocentric) they want stealing our culture and our history by making fake movies but you must know something Egyptian people very strong and we know how to defence our civilisation and our Cuntry. We monitor very well what some blacks do in terms of attempting to defraud and rob the civilization of Egypt. Egypt is for the Egyptians. I advise you to search for your own history or civilization and not stick to us. Egyptian for ever 🇪🇬
@@Q_QQ_Q Well it's a complicated case, in terms of ancestry egyptians are mostly, well, egyptian. In terms of culture the Arab influence mostly merged/took over, somewhat akin to Turkey and Anatolian greeks (far more muddled situation i know, on top of many christian greeks that lived there up to the early XXth century).
Yeah, that's another irony - most modern Egyptians are Arab stock. Hawas knows this.
Old old Egyptians are Mediterranean/Levantine.
I think the actress that played her in the TV show "Rome", came as close as it gets to how Cleopatra VII looked like.
Yea she was great. Looked like a more attractive version of what you see in the coin.
Lyndsey Marshal-she was just ordinary (is that the best descriptive word?) enough to not be distracted and invest in the storyline rather than the actor.
cleopatra was not greek but she was of greek descent . they been living for over 200 years . she was mixed . its proven from documents .
@@Q_QQ_Q Are you one of those people who thinks that her being related to the Seleucids of Persia makes her mixed race? I bet you are. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they were as Greek as the Ptolemies.
@@Q_QQ_Q She wasn't black for sure.
Somehow Cleopatra is back
We should join in and remake Shaka Zulu staring Jeremy Irons as "our truth"
When I was in elementary school, they did a special lecture on...something or other, I can't remember...and one of the teachers (a black man) told us Cleopatra was black and his evidence he presented was a photo of the famous image of Nefertiti. I tried to point this out but he just brushed me off with an "Ahhh, you don't know what you're talking about kid..."
sounds like a typical teacher
Why would he think that Nefertiti was black, she got obvious caucasian features
@@jojomohamed6977 probably thought that she was an African queen like Cleopatra, and of course all Africans must be black.
nefertiti wasnt black either. that teacher was a moron. there is sculpture and paintings of her . not black. queen tiye akhenatens mother may have had some african . there are some sculptures of her.
I’ve had similar experiences unfortunately.
John Wayne as Genghis Khan was completely ridiculous and miscast but the filmmakers never suggested that Temujin was born in Iowa. However, Netflix's Queen Cleopatra, Bridgerton, Queen Charlotte and other productions from the BBC and Channel 4 are pushing a particular type of false history. Casting in period pieces should primarily be believable. For example, the following all work: Omar Sharif as a Russian in Doctor Zhivago, Eli Wallach as a Mexican in The Good, the Bad & the Ugly and Morgan Freeman as a red-haired Irishman in The Shawshank Redemption.
At least John Wayne wore _some_ make up to try to look Asian. They never pretended Gengis was not Asian, they pretended John Wayne was Asian too.
@@davidlacoste lol that’s even worse, yeah we know Ghengis Khan is Asian but let’s cast the quintessential white actor for role. At least Cleopatra is due to complete ignorance.
@@peter6914 Don't make excuses for these people, they know exactly what they're doing. It's not ignorance, it's spite.
@@peter6914 lmao what do you expect in 1956 to hire a Mongolian in USA ?
Wow ! Amazing and informative! Tell me more
Finally, someone else to understand my absolute hatred for the 5-second pre-trailer that happens for every trailer nowadays. You just showed me a trailer version trailer of your trailer.
"That crazy jada must be stopped. No matter the cost." - Optimus Prime
Remnants of paint on ancient Greek statuary suggests that in ancient times there were blonde and redheaded Greeks. And light skin was prized (especially by women) as it indicated you were from the upper classes, since they weren't stuck toiling in a field under the sun. So, Elizabeth Taylor may have been just the right shade to play Cleopatra.
Double wammy.
They probably dyed their hair, just like many Romans did to get that blonde hair.
They still do! I used to have two friends and classmates. A boy and a girl. They both had pale white skin with freckles and red hair.
@@EvilDoresh I didn't know that. Was it possible during those ancient times? What kind of chemicals were they using and what were the side effects on their hair?
@@Facade953 At least the Romans just used bird poop to bleach their hair.
No idea what the Greeks used to get red hair XD
Don't forget.. the director was told by a fortune teller that she was destined to do this "documentary"
Truth can be told in different ways
@@brockthroton3535 "Shut up, Meg."
@@opinionatedlookinboy5555 you were born after 2000
@@brockthroton3535 "From a certain point of view"
@@brockthroton3535 "The Dark Side is a path to many abilities, some considered to be UNNATURAL."
Leftists are Sith.
I think a big part of this is that jada smith is an incredible narcissist and wanted to play “the most beautiful woman in the world” despite being a middle aged 6/10 at best
Back in the day, they had Elizabeth Taylor who was white played Cleopatra and nobody complained about it. Even had an on and off relationship with Richard Burton who played Mark Antony.
Because the Cleopatras (there were actually seven of them) were Greek not Egyptian. The Greeks took over from the Persians after the Persians had taken over Egypt.
I was completely unaware you could make “your version” of anything based on history and change it how you want. This could get wild…
Been asleep the last decade or what?.....welcome to the party...only a decade late...
Have you Been living under a rock this whole time? That's kinda how historical fiction works 💀
The difference here is that, they're claiming its a documentary. (I don't have a problem with egyptian depictions of cleopatra and neither do most people, but claiming its a documentary is where we draw the line)
If they had their way with the audience, they'll 100% be completely malicious in their intent to gaslight people and just change the history books to their own designs.
@@JejuIju been asleep all your life or what?.....welcome to sarcasm...only decades late.
@@mr_indie_fan this comment flew right over your head.
"I remember my grandmother saying to me, I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black." As a history instructor in that area of specialty I really loved that golden gem of a statement.
"I don't care what they tell you in school, but we lost WWII."
"I don't care what they tell you in school, but nuclear weapons aren't real."
Sadly, there are people who believe that, and they're all on the internet.
When I heard that quote I was so very ashamed of myself for not living up my own grandma's sage wisdom. I just can't bring myself to use racial slurs or clip grocery coupons THAT often.
As long as students reference it using the proper format, right?
Everyone knows that grandma's knowledge of events from ~2,000 years ago trumps that of a historian. After all, she was there.
Elizabeth Taylor was admittedly English, but she didn't look radically different from Greek actresses in the 1960s if you Google "1960s Greek actresses" and compare their looks. There are even a minority of Greeks who are blondes and redheads, and Cleopatra was possibly ginger haired given Roman frescoes. For native Egyptian dynasties, though, by all means cast a real Egyptian or at least North African.
Even north africans can be pretty similar in skin tone to greeks and europeans. They certainly look a lot more like whites than sub-saharans, at least.
According to Romans, where she lived 3 years in Rome, she was considered attractive. She wasn't peerless, but she was on the upper end. This is based on quotes of people who didn't even like her (Romans by and large hated her). She was very intelligent and charismatic.
Filmmakers have really forgotten the meaning of the word "documentary".
In order to balance the scales, we need a docuseries about Mansa Musa, starring Leonardo Dicaprio
Woe…Can you imagine the shit hitting the fan? Yoiks!
Nah they'd agree with that one because Mansa Musa was a slaver.
@@stevenscott2718 They go on and on and on about Musa being the richest without knowing he got rich due to the slave industry. Like all sub saharan africans - their only export for thousands of years.
Is this a podcast? I want to hear more but I can’t find it anywhere on Spotify or on Apple Podcasts
The “director” is Persian. Well since Iran is in Asia, why not cast Academy award winning, best supporting actor Ke Huy Quan for the role as the historically accurate transgender woman, “Kween Xerxes” of Persia in the new Woke 300. Her pronouns will be ‘your fabulousness’, ‘goddess’, and ‘Miss Thang’.
Rewriting history: "it's ok when we do it!" - Hollywood
And it all started in 2018 with Mary of Scots.
Dig deeper. Who runs Hollywood?
I'm surprised that the first actor ever, Jennifer Lawrence, didn't play herself as Cleopatra,
"There's cool stuff coming, please pay attention"
Doggo: huh?
If it was just an ordinary show with a black actress, the backlash would not have been so massive. The main problem here is that, not only it's an hybrid "serie/documentary" thing, but also that in the first teaser released by netflix, you already see that, given the speakers chosen (some of whom are far from being specialists in ancient Egypt) and the excerpts put end to end, it is clearly an ideological project and an attempt to rewrite things, with even the last woman interviewed who basically says: "my mother told me that no matter what they would say to me at school, Cleopatra was black"
Also, I'm happy that the Egypt gov. reacted about this show and this matter, I think some pan africanists should understand that Africa doesn't equal homogeneity and black people absolutely everywhere, you have plenty of ethnicities especially in North Africa, also Cleopatra was a least half greek so she would be at most brown skinned but not black
Pan-Africanists are mainly American cultural imperialists who have a homogenous view of the world.
god i hate that mentality of "no matter what whitey says, this person was BLACK" like no stop it, get your own god damn black heroes and stop stealing other cultures heroes. you looove africa so much then actually research it and dont make shet up for your own BS black egos.
@@CoryTheRaven and the only reason they do is because they see themselves ad a homogenous group against DA MAN
Unless they're mixed race, then they're race traitors to DA HOOD.
It's sad and hilarious. I feel bad for the ones that want to just work, progress and leave something to their children, like a normal person.
cleopatra was not greek but she was of greek descent . they been living for over 200 years . she was mixed . its proven from documents .
She sure as hell wasn't "WHITE, and you are obviously NOT American. Have you ever heard of the 'one-drop rule'? She WAS mixed, IOW Black by that standard
*Rewriting history is not bad when we do it. We have good intentions, believe us.*
*Trust the science, except when it conflicts with our worldview on genetics. We're on the right side of history, believe us!*
"It doesnt matter what they teach you in [pedagogic faculty], what I thought of in my schizo mind is TRUTH!"
@@kdash2657 Oy vey, shut it down!
"We just want acceptation. We're not coming for your kids"
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I think the makers grew up with Cleopatra Jones and Foxxy Cleopatra in their subconscious and confused that with the historical Cleopatra.
I'm Egyptian, A COPTIC CHRISTIAN EGYPTIAN, I shout that out loud because we are the most pure blooded Egyptians out there and that's not only my opinion that's what scientists and historians also agreed on , and i tell you that every word that Bassem Youssef said is right and i totally agree with him, yes Egypt had lots of mixed cultures throughout its history like Greek, Romans and arabs but the Egyptian blood didn't mix and change that much and that's because for centuries we Egyptians had a golden tradition rule to marry our cousins, and that tradition is still present until now especially in Upper Egypt(From Assiut to Aswan), although that tradition seems silly and bad from a scientific biological point of view, but that doesn't matter, silly or not we kept that tradition of marrying our cousins for centuries and that helped us to preserve our pure Egyptian blood not mixed as long as we could, and the result is what you see now and that is modern Egyptians looks typical to their Ancient Egyptian ancestors, just look at my skin color and Bassem Youssef's skin color we are almost the same although he is a Muslim who was born and lived in Cairo and I am a Coptic Christian who was born and lived in Luxor and there is almost 1000 km distance between us, doesn't that tell you a thing or two about who Ancient Egyptians were and what they looked like? with all respect for all the black people and all the other ethnicities out there, but we egyptians are special very special, we are not Black nor White nor Greek nor Romans nor Yellow Asians nor Caucasians nor Europians nor Northern Africans nor Arabs . WE ARE EGYPTIANS, WE ARE VERY UNIQUE!
They said worse - they said Anne Boleyn was a victim, and having a black woman portraying a victim made it more relatable to young people!
anne bloeyn wasnt a victim. she played the game of thrones of her time and eventually lost.
@@claudiameier666 Yeah, the times were brutal, so if you lost, you lost big! But dimwits at BBC or in Hollywood see everyone except straight white men as victims by default. I doubt the historical events mattered to them - they certainly don’t matter the least bit to Jada Pinkett Smith and her accomplices!