Peter Pan And Wendy - It's Awful
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2023
- Well, can't say I didn't warn you. Peter Pan and Wendy turned out to be exactly what I predicted - a dull, boring, pointless remake of a classic story, infused with typical identity politics for a modern audience which doesn't exist. So let's take a look.
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It's weird that Wendy doesn't idealise the concept of being a mother, but then expects her own mother to take on 20 kids they don't even know.
Well she can't be bothered to care for them, she has to learn the piano, fly planes and write novels about being a girl boss in the Victorian era.
Well because she still has a mother that she wants the responsibility to be her mother's, still
Sounds exactly like the entire contemporary anti-family & creational order agenda summed up.
Sounds like a stereotypical Gen Z to me…
Amen!
Hollywood should stop trying to appeal to "modern audiences" and try to appeal to timeless audiences instead.
Sooooo true. They need to start making MOVIES, not mediocre content
But then their ESG score would drop and with that the access to cheap(er) loans.
How about they just appeal to logic. A 15 year old girl is not going to take on one male pirate let alone a bunch of them. Peter Pan maybe because he can fly and has magic. OK so I have never been a fan of the Peter Pan story in the first place.
or a half decent story
@@chasehedges6775 Mediocre would be an improvement over the garbage we are getting now.
I'll never understand why it's "empowering" for Wendy to slap Peter, but if Peter slapped Wendy he'd be called an abuser. Just don't slap anyone, simple.
they should've inserted a heavy dose of reality where Peter absolutely kicks the sh1t out of her after that slap.
Because our culture is fucked up. It's as fucked up in many ways as it was decades ago.
People can't take a few minutes and self-reflect.
Don’t know why that slap was even necessary just like the weird PowerPoint presentation transition immediately after
Because modern liberals. 🤮
Yeah cuz Peter could just grab her and fly her way up into the sky and drop her on a rock like an eagle breaking open a tortoise..... But I digress.
Also, in the original story the reason why there were no lost girls is that girls are too smart to get lost. Wow Disney, how can you miss that badly. This whole "girl empowerment" they did in this movie is so bad on its own, but no, let's change something that actually complimented us.
I didn't know that. Thx for pointing that out.
Only a dumbas* would leave a functioning family just to play all day
a simple google search by the creators could’ve solved this dilemma. movies suck
They didn't read the story.
@@steveouk90126they never do they just see a male character then make them weak see a female character remove all the flaws and make them a bland mess and they keep doing it because the so called "modern audience" dose exist but its just stupid people who waste their money and buy into this crap 😂
Remember when Wendy sang that lullaby to the boys in Disney's 1953 film? And how she got all the pirates who were listening to reflect, remember and weep for their mothers? That's true feminine power in my humble opinion...
One should not underestimate the power to fuck up a soul. If I didn't know any better, I'd say modern trends are a desperate plot to sabotage that power. I really can't blame anyone if that's the case. Probably the closest thing to actual magic in reality. Like cutting a literal heart string.
No no no! Being a badass is the only feminine power. Caring, love, and intelligence have nothing to do with it! LOL.
Feminists only value masculine traits.
@@dandiehm8414 Modern feminism is cancer for society and all media... it really must be stopped, they are ruining everything.
Yeah .... I actually had forgotten about that and I got a bit emotional after reading this comment reminded me. You're totally right. 😢👍
"Lost boys."
"But you're not all boys."
"So??"
"Well I guess it doesn't really matter"
Top tier writing
They could've simply called themselves The Lost Children?🤷🏻
@@liamphibia you already gave this more thought than the writers gave to the whole scene.
…somehow palpatine returned
@@attentionbajoranworkers4408 Wendy flies now?!
Yeah even though I thought this movie was not that bad honestly I HATED that line with my guts.
I'm a woman and I have realised one thing, when they want to make a "girl boss" character in a movie they make all the characters except of her stupid and useless. Even in 'Peter Pan and Wendy' in order for Wendy to shine they destroyed Peter Pan's character! Also anyone noticed the camera work???? In every scene Peter Pan looked like a little child while Wendy was filmed in an angle that showcased how heroic and smart she is!
Yes, exactly. I'm starting to find this seriously misogynistic and I'm not joking.
Wendy was already a girl-boss in the book, she was the protagonist for crying out loud, but no movie nowadays would ever portray her that way, because she was too feminine.
@@nope3516 ridiculous fallacy.... I guess woke standards of femininity is being 300kg obese hysterical transgender with purple hair... you for example.
"Wendy was filmed in an angle that showcased how heroic and smart she is!" you sure? Cuss to me it only made her look more ugly than she already is
They try to make her look heroic and smart. In reality those characters always end up just being arrogant, selfish, smug and general unlikeable
Ya know, for a kid who never grows up and is supposed to be happy and always thinks that everything is some kind of game, even when fighting for his life against Hook, I never once saw Peter laugh or give a full smile throughout the entire movie
to laugh and smile would make someone potentially attractive. they didnt want peter to be attractive in this story. in the cartoon, wendy tinkerbell tiger lilly and the mermaids were all fond of him. here, they wanted him to be weak, sorry, pathetic, emotional, not someone who would be attractive enough for anyone to want to be with or be like . 100% opposite the cartoon.
its a shame because this peter is kinda cute.
@@GotoMaki4Micah oh my God.... that's so true🤦🏻♂️
Never found any evidence for it but the idea once came to my mind that the actor gave a bad performance on purpose because he thought the movie was shit as well
@@cbfVikingChad being an unknown child actor, being brown AND giving a bad performance on purpose is career suicide lol the director will make you do the scene 100 times until they are happy with it. if the actor is that spiteful he doesn't deserve to work again.
@@GotoMaki4Micah true but by my guessing if his performance in Peter Pan & Wendy is that bad his carrier is dead anyway
I actually loved the part where Disney lost hundreds of millions of dollars and still didn’t manage to learn their lesson.
we all love that part! :D
Well, these may be the last projects approved 3 years ago...hopefully...
but I'm getting sick of repeats
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!” comes to mind
Disney is infested by Leftists. This is planned. Leftists destroy everything they touch. Only fools support modern Disney.
It's actually hilarious watching writers insert themselves into every script
maybe that's why they all on strike 🤣
Well, you get what you pay for.
If you pay for narcissist writers with not a whole lot of actual life experience.
The narcissism is palpable in every movie.
Script writers get no respect.
I see, for these specific writers working on Disney, why is that the case.
Their cats eating their lonely dead bodies was hilarious.
As a woman, what really makes me angry about all these 'girl-boss ' movies is the fact that wanting a family, being a mother etc is seen as weakness. A lot of young girls dream about that, I did. Did that stop me dreaming about growing up to be a vet? No, because, here's a news flash for you, you can be a mother and a successful career woman at the same time. I know, what a shocking revelation that is.
That's probably the most hypocritical thing about the Girlboss narrative. They say "We must uplift women and say that they're as valid as men", but when a woman is content to be a stay at home mom? "You've been brainwashed by the patriarchy", "You're a stupid housewife", "You're a bimbo", etc.
It's a narrative about how women can choose who they want to be, but then puts down women who want to be stay at home moms. Very contradictory and, ironically, sexist.
RIGHT??!! like omg enough already!!
"It's hard to think of any story that's been more brutally compromised than Peter Pan"
Snow White: "Hold my Bud Light"
The more Disney makes the same mistake, the less they seem to learn from it. It's actually astounding.
You reap what you sow
@@chasehedges6775 Yes but here we're beyond stubborness at this point, it's like the enjoy losing money or something
@@undead9999 👍
@@undead9999
Is about burning everything down now new G4TV style.
Yeah it's like...."Inverse Learning" or something. Like...the more you're taught how to cook, the worse at it you become. Only for Disney it's not cooking, its how to appeal to an audience.
Wendy seeing herself dying old and alone and still thinking that it's a happy ending is too funny to me
It is a happy evening.
It's what the feminist script writer girl boss would consider a happy life finale. Dying alone on the couch. Nice...
@@PapaEmeritusII "Dying alone on the couch and having her corpse serve as nourishment for her 11 cats." Fixed it for you. :)
@@PapaEmeritusII Hey, as long as she's not "trapped in the prison of the kitchen" or doing some fuckin man's laundry, right?
Fucking hell, do I ever hate the left.
Wow, I made my comment before watching the video and seeing the Drinker made a similar comment.
Anyone else notice how much physically smaller Peter is than Wendy? Not so subtle imagery from Disney, audiences aren’t allowed to form their own emotions or opinions anymore
insecure women compensating for a mountain-sized napoleon complex
Honestly might be the only accurate thing in middle school all the girls were taller than most of the boys since they hit puberty quicker so a 12 year old boy would look like the little brother of a 12 year old girl
@@rusty7984lol no. I Know a lot of Girls including me that always was smaller than most of the boys
@@Nele-vg7js
Idk might just be me but in middle school a lot of the girls were taller than the boys since they hit puberty sooner. Then high school came and the boys were taller and bigger than the girls.
Not a very fair point. In the original 1924 film, Wendy was also taller than Peter Pan by a few little inches. They even made a joke about how Peter was like Napoleon when he beat Captain Hook, since he’s shorter in comparison to Wendy. Though, if you knew the cast of the 1924 film, you’d know that Peter Pan was played by a girl instead of a boy, as to make Peter look as young and cutesy as possible.
The 1924 version was still many times better than the 2023 version, and in my personal opinion, better than the 1953 version as well, which everyone knows more than the 1924 film. It’s the very FIRST Peter Pan film, and despite being a silent black and white film, it managed to capture and bring out the essence of the story of Peter Pan and Never Never Land. I don’t know if other modern adaptions call it Never Never Land, though. The 1953 version sure didn’t if I remember correctly, but the original name was Never Never Land and not just Neverland.
I think what happened was everyone saw Hermione punch Draco in Prisoner of Azkaban and thought “hell yeah, girl!” But screenwriters (for Disney especially) didn’t understand WHY that moment rocked. First off, Draco actually deserved it. Secondly, the punch felt real and believable. It was something a 13 year old girl could do to a 13 year old boy. Third, it was a *character* moment for Hermione- rule-following, somewhat shy Hermione to stick up to a bully. It demonstrated how she was growing and changing as she got older and spent time with Harry and Ron. She was learning to see when the rules are not the most important thing.
Just having the main girl hit one of the main boys does not an awesome moment make.
Thank you!
Hermione punching Draco was genuine...It fits...not forced...no agendas...the entire movie wasn't made so she punches him because men/boys are the enemy now
Now nobody gives a shit about the movie
Disagree. If Harry beat the crap put of Bellatrix ( I'm talking punching her face physically) , they would scream abuse even though she deserved it.
Also, Draco was one of the antagonists of Harry. Peter Pan did nothing wrong
@@Bear-sn1ps Fairly sure Harry used the torture curse on Bellatrix. "Crucio" is used on her in the OOTP. Part 5, that is.
She screams, falls on the floor and gets up, looking upset. He doesn't have the intend to fully hurt her, so the torture wasn't the usual burninghot knifes through her skin, but it was very unpleasant.
They also attack Umbridge (she is paralyzed and slams with her head on the desk) and he makes Hermione fly through the air and land on her back with a defense spell to protect his best friend Ronald, because Hermione tried to attack Ron (because the incel left them, because he thought Hermione didn't like him and he felt that was enough reason to abandon his friends, granted he was feeling upset because of a demonic necklace, but still, the idea that Hermiones crotch didn't belong to him was enough to cause rage and that is sad.)
I don't recall anyone getting upset with Harry over this behaviour. Fairly certain he also cut Draco into pieces and got away with that. Sectumsempra.
I mean, I like Harry and all, but don't pretend Harry would receive any critisism on hurting women that attacked him.
@@Bear-sn1ps
Oh god I feel stupid, your account was made in september 2023, you're a troll.
I already wondered why you didn't recall him torturing Bellatrix, but this explains it. Reported.
The scene of her seeing her entire "girlboss" future ending with her dying old and alone is both tragic and absolutely hysterical that in all their creativity, that is what Disney thought would be a successful life
Truly
The fact that was her happy thought was hilarious she (disney) literally thinks a happy life is being alone forever and that girls everywhere should aspire to that in life
Cool Steven Universe pfp
Well, Disney is part of the conglomerates pushing the idea that a happy woman is a workaholic whore that dies alone surrounded by cats. It's not surprising really.
And not a single cat in sight... WHEIRD!
"What Wendy represented was growth, responsibility, maturity" I wonder why modern activists, I mean writers changed that? 🤔
As much as I dislike these remakes, I cant blame the writers.
Studios see an opportunity to cash in on an IP and they take it.
They hire the first available writer willing to work for low pay on a harsh deadline (which is why lately they are usually so young)
The more inexperienced and powerless, the better, so the studios can then meddle and tweak and check their marketing boxes.
And now that the writers arent getting any royalties from streaming, its no wonder they are on strike.
Holy sh*t balls you just murdered them!!!
Because a lot of today's women dodge responsibility like the plague.
It's pretty hard to write content around a concept you have never personally experienced. All the girl boss characters we are getting lately are visions of what these people wish they had instead of antidepressants, failed tinder matches, and college debts.
@@isaiah2028 So this is just some messed up female power fantasy for SJWs?
I'm a bit disappointed to not see many comments mentioning the 2003 Peter Pan version. Although far from perfect, I find it actually the best version of Peter Pan I've seen because it has the balance between the original story while also incorporating a few "modern" factors to it. Maybe it's mainly my childhood nostalgia and subjective view but I really really love everything about that film. From characters, actors, script, beautiful visuals to the magical music
The 2003 Peter Pan is the best film adaptation, because it stays true to the source material while remaining palatable. Wendy is the main character, not Peter. It's about *her* journey in this transitional period of her life from child to young adult, and Peter represents the wrong path. Growing up sucks, but not growing up is *hell.*
I loved that part where the croc swallowed hook in whole. You could see the fear in his eyes while eventually accepting his fate anyways.
Still though I prefer the original cartoon cuss it's funny af to see Hook falling into it's mouth and escaping multiple times, something that can only happen in a classic disney cartoon 🤣
I totally love it 🥰
you are totally right. Best version ever. Not only "far from perfect" - as you wrote. It is near to perfection, with great actors, magical music and visuals. The cartoon version stands for it's own. But the chemistry between Jeremy Sumpter and Rachel Hurd-Wood in the 2003 version is touching. A treasury and very underestimated.
And it puts the hook on the right hand.
I knew this movie would have no redeeming qualities at all once I learned that there are other girls living in Neverland with Peter, defeating literally the entire purpose of him taking Wendy to Neverland in the first place.
They did that in that animated spin-off 'Jake And The Neverland Pirates' All the time I remembered thinking, "Why is there a girl in Neverland? And what the hell did they do to Captain Hook?!"
If it's set in Victorian England then Wendy is truely the greatest clairvoyant of all time.
After all she was able to look into the future and see herself flying a plane when they had not even been invented yet.
Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done.
She should have been riding a Tesla
"Surprised they didn't have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done."
You gotta save some story for the sequel.
The original play debuted one year after the historic flight at Kitty Hawk.
_"Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done."_
Nah, that part was reserved for Jennifer Lawrence where she played herself. In every movie ever produced now and in the future.
@@thenamesianna I think 'Leonardo da Fucking Vinci' has a better ring to it...
Can you imagine a male character slapping a female character in modern cinema like that? Neither can I. Pure hypocrisy.
Only if it is framed by the movie as "abusive monster hits girls". If it's a girl slapping a boy it is only to be framed as "Haha that's what he gets for acting foolish. Go off, sis!"
Feminism: "All we're about is gender equality - why does the idea of women being treated equally to men bother you so much?"
Also Feminism: "Of course it's ok for a woman to slap a man but not the other way around! In fact, it's hilarious when a woman does it! Now, would you like a bite of this cake I ate earlier but still have...?"
We have that in trans mma fighters. But everyone cheers for it.
@@JadeRunner why are you blaming this on feminism as if the movie isn’t literally directed by a man he thought it was okay to have that scene in the movie
@@444tatiana modern feminist strayed from the values of equality and shifted to more of we want equal but we also want to keep the benefits of being a woman equal pay for less work, and more benefits.
This movie is a literal representation of:
How to lose hundreds of millions of dollars and still not learn your lesson.
"To be forgotten as quickly as posable," that hit me hard man, and perfectly describes all new Disney movies.
I loved how disney just thought “You know what? Let’s have Wendy slap peter so it can be proved even further that she’s a girl boss and that way girls can think it’s okay to assault guys! We’re gonna make billions off of this!”
The "Girl Boss" infestation trope should end already. I'm tired of hearing/seeing men & boys being inferior in every quality way.
Also, teaching kids that it's okay to hit someone smaller than you
Isaacs was the best book-compliant Hook, but I just can't put him above Hoffman
@@williet.3058 Hell no. Colin O'Donoghue is the sexiest Captain Hook and pirate.
That's what female empowerment "boss bitch" cringey asf modern pop trash that is shown to women/young girls and turns them into complete Bitc*
Disney's obsession with misunderstood villains continues to grate my nerves. There is a reason why disney villains were so beloved and disney itself has forgotten that reason.
Hook is a semi tragic character originally, but unlike the movie 'Hook', this one was simply made a whining and pathetic man-child, and not really a villain, since it was Peter who threw him away and the pirates saved his life
Yeah, you don't need any additional villain explanation than, "he's a pirate."
It's the sickness deep within the modern Disney bosses that somehow evil can be excused or relative.
Remember, killing puppies for fashion just means you're misunderstood!
@@jasonagodfrey If Dalmatians pushed your mom over a cliff, skinning 101 puppies and making them into a coat to wear in her memory seems like a sensible course of action and is completely morally justified.
You see, she was sad once. Depth.
The first movie I ever saw at the cinema was Bambi, in 1976, when I was four years old. It is utterly depressing that I have lived long enough to see this company - which was once magical to me - sink to the base, cynical levels which it exemplifies today.
All those moments lost in time, like tears in rain.
Wait, Hook has no happy memories to help him fly? He was an orphan boy who got adopted by pirates and eventually became their captain, and at no point did he feel happy? He can’t remember the time he finally felt accepted? The first time he got congratulated for doing some pirate-task correctly? Or the moment he earned the respect of his men and was accepted as their captain? What?
the writers think if they make a character say something we will just believe it and go with it. like wanting us to believe that this pan was cruel and spiteful and maimed a guy. this pan was weak, powerless, helpless and not showing a malicious bone in his body and had to be saved 3 times. he was sorry and surrendered lmfao.
also since getting his revenge was a happy thought for him he should've been able to spank some fairy dust off tink and fly too.
The problem with “modern audiences” is the fact that they don’t actually watch what’s made for them…
Almost like this mythical modern audience doesn't exist
That's exactly the goal, to 'reeducate' those of us who still have a spine and the will to stand for our values and beliefs.
Because it’s not made BY us so it sucks. It’s made by boomers and shit
@@Thedrizzle404 They do but there form of entertainment is spending all day on Twitter getting into ideological flame wars while also trying to ruin peoples lives over perceived wrongs because they just want to make everyone as miserable as they are.
@@intrance96 ok boomer
When Wendy slapped Peter Pan, that was so stunning and brave. The British Crown would have been proud of her slapping an indian boy smaller than her.
can you imagine if it was the other way around and peter slapped her? The outrage that would ensue...
LMAO
RRR comes to mind. I think i'll just watch that again instead
Good form Sar. They clearly didn't think that one through.
lol
In the 2003 Peter Pan, I loved how soft, smart and feminine Wendy was and yet so cool. That was definitely my favourite Wendy and Peter Pan, they’re chemistry as-well was unmatched and the director stuck to the damn storyline. Felt the magic through the screen as I watched it as a kid, I was also totally jealous of Wendy 😂 obviously grown out of that now though.
Hahaha yes Jeremy sumpter was my first boy crush and he aged well! Had to re-watch it after watching this shitty remake.
I feel like I didn’t grow out of this jealousy 😭😭 Jeremy was so fucking IT and was definitely serving as Peter
When I saw it in theaters I cried bc it was so magical looking and I felt drawn into a world where I may never grow up. Now I cry bc we will never get magical movies like that at this rate. So sad to see the company who introduced me to my favorite story fall so far
Wait, so Wendy hauls off and slaps a boy MUCH smaller than she is, and this is supposed to somehow be empowering?
The fact they saw Wendy, a person who displayed motherly instincts to the lost boys and became the centerpiece for Peter Pan’s moral. And they thought, Wendy didn’t do enough.
Really shows the difference between how girls were written then, and how they’re written now.
Additionally, note that Wendy expects her mother to do what Wendy won't - be a mother to the Unlocated Diverse Individuals. *Wendy* can't be bothered with such things in her perfect life, but has no problem expecting her own mother to do so at Wendy's whim.
Did you just assumed its Gender?!?
Well, being a mother or CHEST FEEDER is like slavery.
@@o0Baradur0o Did you just assume they assumed
@@ArionNoble Sarcasm?
Yes I have always wondered what watching the zombified corpses of my childhood dreams would be like. Thanks Disney.
The zobie simpsons, for me the closest because i barely remember these, is watching the new street figther watching something you care and enjoy transform into something that barely resemble that you love
That is absolutely what it feels like
Maybe it's time to grow up and put aside childish things and stop trying to recreate the feeling of what it felt like the first time you watched a Peter Pan movie??? Maybe you craving that feeling of childhood joy and being unable to find it in adult activities intended for people your age and constantly looking for an inferior hit of nostalgia to replicate it is your personal issue and not Disney's to solve? Maybe kids who have NO IDEA what YOUR Peter Pan is can watch this movie and enjoy it without all your adult baggage and political feelies weighing down their opinions??? Just ya know...maybe?
@@danielsalgado2985 Dude what's your problem? I've seen you in like three of these comments repeating the same speech.
@@danielsalgado2985 someone didn't eat their wheaties
Guy punches girl in movie: Uproar
Girl slaps guy in movie; Yeh, she's empowered!
The only "girl power" that I can accept is Elizabeth Swan in Pirates of Caribbean. Because she is feminine, smart and brave. She is not overly "bad ass" and not "overly masculine" nor is she the "i dont need a man" type
@@Phoebeolly98765 I think I did mentioned there the word "overly". Meaning the portrayal of badass or independence in the annoying, hyperbolic, forced way. Nobody likes that.
I love how when they changed some of the lost boys to be girls it actually insults girls more it is said that the reason why girls don’t get captured in the original is because they’re too smart
It’s like they didn’t even watch or read any of the source material. It’s insane
@@187jesu you know for a fact they didn’t at all
And they'll disregard the entire fact they didn't even attempt to review the source material while continuing to virtue signal. Completely ignorant to the fact they look foolish.
remembers girls can be just as stupid and lustful as boys, that's what modern media has taught me
hey now you misogynist, girls can be stupid too. get with the times man, err, person.
this modernization is to reflect the world we live in today
🤣🤣
that slap isn't from someone who's worried. The hatred and nauseating annoyance is blaring through her facial expression and body language.
One detail sticks out like a sore thumb, and that's when Wendy bitch-slaps Peter. That's child abuse, and the studio execs should have realized that. Why was that left in, do you think?
Oh boy, the scene with Wendy being old and alone and not surrounded by the family, really fits for today's audience. So sad though.
It's funny how today's writers try to sell the idea that you should die working, because the most thing in your life should be to complete the reports to accounting by Friday, instead of having children and take care of them, this is full sunk cost for them
@@r.c.8268 It's almost like they want you to live in a pod, work 15 hours a day, pay taxes, eat ze boogs and die alone.
Wait so that was real so the idea of acomplishment is die alone, wioutha single member of your family there, i mean i am tinking that but not because i want to, but ding alone after acomplishing what, yes you got a ton of money but you are alone miserable, and she didint even have a cat, so what, she manage nothing
Feminism wins...... FATALITY
Because women must be more than mothers and wives...so let's spit on that and show what a wonderful life is being succesful and love nothing but your work... pretty desolate view by a desolate company
What's not often talked about is the beautiful ending of 1953 Peter Pan. Wendy returns from NeverLand less afraid of growing up to adulthood, AND: her blustery father gets a glimpse of his lost childhood and experiences once more the innocent joy within. What symmetry and balance, speaking to the need to keep one's inner child while not shirking adult responsibilities.
I fear that being able to craft these kind of deeper themes and emotions is a lost art with today's producers and network executives.
Commies hate that good stuff, so they piss n shit on us telling us its raining
In the book it ends with Peter coming back to take away Wendy’s daughter, but she won’t let him have her. He doesn’t understand why, because he’s eternally a child with the mind of one, he thinks Wendy is being unreasonable for not allowing him to steal her daughter away and keep her forever.
It is. Your fear has clearly been realized. Old School cemented it into pop culture.
Even Hook understood that.
Because they're no real adults
The way we got one of my favorite live action remakes in 2003, which just happened to be Peter Pan, and exactly 20 years later we get this... We're evolving backwards.
I am currently rewatching all disney movies in the order of their production, and it stricked me how much the new changes actually influence the movies. The main difference is that the new versions of old characters almost never make mistakes, and thus, they never have to learn. More over - whenever smth bad happens to them, it's not their fault, it's because other characters made smth bad. The most stricking example for me (as I will only talk about those disney movies that I currently watched the older versions of) is the Pinokio. All of the lessons of this story were literally thrown away. I bet anyone to find a single thing that pinokio actually does wrong in a new version... he "magically " grows up and learns how to be a true boy by... random things happening to him?
I love how they couldn't even pretend to be subtle with their intentions that they even chose a short boy to play Peter and a tall girl to play Wendy.
I agree with the first part but wasnt wendy always taller than peter?
@@calumzmemez5075 in the 2003 version no. They had to keep remaking the window cause the boy playing Peter kept outgrowing it. Only live action version I’ll accept
@@antilikka oh lmao i always remembered her being tall.
@@antilikka that hook was so scary when I was a kid I couldn't believe he was Lucius Malfoy
@@antilikka Hook?
I love how basically no one in the comments has watched this film. We just let Drinker suffer for us, and gratefully watch his much better 11 minute video.
Absolutely!
its a more efficient use of our time to be honest.
We don't need to
It’s a lot more fun this way. Even more when you finally watch one of these for free and hungover….then have some nice reminisce moments lol
yeah it's almost like we don't have our own opinion and let the drinker make our minds
I loved the fact tink was a shapely, thick, sassy badass jealous magical b*tch in the original film.
I lost all respect for this Wendy when she breaks a mirror while playing with her brothers and then blames them when confronted. She shows no remorse and even doubles down, making her appear more like a miserable angsty bully.
I laughed hard when they show Wendy's happy memories is the thought of growing old and alone.
It's like a parody.
And not a memory at all, just really bad life goals
I actually didn't realize that she was thinking about her older self when I saw the movie till I saw this video and that she actually thought of herself dying! I was like,
"Sheesh! She must be braver at dying than I thought!" XD
There are people out there in this world who accept dying or want to actually die alone just to not scare anybody but it's very hard to believe that a child can do that but who knows really? It's a big world out there. Lol
and flying a plane!... wich wasnt invented in the time this movie takes place...
who cul've imagined feminism gives you clairvoyancy
I'm like "seriously" 😑
Return to Neverland had a much better ending with Wendy having a family, then meeting Peter Pan and Tinkerbell one last time.
As a woman I have to say I’m getting so tired of this forced female empowerment at all costs trope. It’s like they put a woman as the main character and make her the strongest, smartest, bravest, etc out of all other characters and the woman lead has no faults. It just feels like pandering and to check a diversity/inclusivity box. They almost always have a poorly written dialogue and zero personality that don’t make them even likable characters. People have forgotten that you can write a good female lead without it feeling forced and cheap. One of my favorites is Ellen Ripley from Alien. I miss female leads like that. I hope eventually directors and script writers will figure out most women hate these characters and will stop writing them like that and give us some good female leads again.
I worry about the adults these kids films are creating by only showing "perfect" women that they can never be.
Ripley showed us that women were human and if you dig deep you might just win against all the odds.
Now that Universal/Nintendo had a good Disney-crushing with the Super Mario Bros. Movie, they should do a slightly more adult IP movie with space opera/survival story Metroid, and female hero Samus Aran. She knows fear and loneliness and isolation and yet she still does her job. I bet Universal could get it right.
@@jeremiahbrewer6115 not to mention that Universal's also got DreamWorks, and that we've also got Warner Bros on the new TMNT movie as well. Disney100 gonna be a disaster, save for Elementals and maybe, perhaps just maybe, Wish
Also rooney Mara playing tiger lily eh
Drinker did a great job of criticizing this problem in his review of the live-action Mulan
You know Disney has created another piece of crap when they turn off their own comments on the trailer video.
As an arrogant, close-minded male myself, I used to dismiss all the old Disney movies to my friends and family to affirm my toxic masculinity when I was a young adolescent😂.
Now, after finally growing TF up and no longer caring so much about what people think of me, along with seeing this modern garbage that is 2020s Disney, I dropped that front I used to put up and can’t help but exclaim that those old Disney Animated Films are some of the greatest in cinema history! And it’s because the storytelling and lessons learned from them are absolute masterclass.
Heyo!, Boyhood adolescence and being able to outgrow toxic masculinity is the areas they could easily have explored with this story, but in order to do that you would need writers with talent that gives a damn.
Captain hook and his pirates could have been used as examples of what would happen if the lost boys grow up with no mother figure. Maybe they would end up as insecure, lecherous man-children hell-bent on power, trinkets and riches.
Captain Hook being a former "Lost Boy" who unable to find his mother and returns to Neverland as an adult, and finding he does not fit in and longing for simpler times is a fascinating take.
Too bad Disney couldn't find it in their hearts to hire a writer or director who could actually do something interesting with that concept.
I know right. Having been raised by pirates he couldn've had a truck load of Truma and returning to a place he felt safe only to be rejected would be enough to turn anyone into a villian.
So Hook is just a lost little boy looking for his mommy. Yeah, that's fascinating. Really takes the edge of the villain aspect and emasculates him like a good progressive.
@@olliefoxx7165 Hook *was* a lost boy looking for his mother, he's now a man burdened with growing without his family or friends in a band of pirates, wanting revenge on peter pan since he feels peter's the cause
@@olliefoxx7165 A competent writer could make his story more tragic than pathetic. Instead of not being able to find her, maybe he finds her in her dying days and he can't save her and now he hates Peter for wasting the time he could have had with his mother. There are plenty of ways to make it interesting and thought provoking, but of course you decided to straw man it with the most pathetic possible take.
The woke tend to lack heart, so don't assume the wokesters of the Disney Co, including Robert Iger, give a damn about both compassion & being interesting.
The worst thing I find about the dialog at 2:54 is the complete shutdown of the questioning of the name 'Lost Boys'. She makes a good point of saying you're not all boys so why call yourselves 'lost boys'. The counter argument is just an aggressive 'so?' and based on that single word alone Wendy shuts down her curiosity and thinking brain and just says 'it doesnt matter' what a wonderful thing to teach kids!
Diametrically opposite of The Neverending Story!
Why not just call them The Lost. Oh wait... It's so the writers can hate on the patriarchy... As you were...
Couldn't they just be called the Lost Children?
@Kureemy
Them being boys is critical to the story being told. Well, the original story.
@@samblack5313 how are them being boys critical to the story? I’m just curious.
One of the Disney theme parks is powered by a generator that is hooked to Walt Disney's tomb.
"but your not all boys"
"so"
"guess it doesn't even matter"
it actually FUCKING DOES! imagine the girl scouts having tonnes of boys.
Once again, the Drinkers 11 minute take down is more entertaining than any 2 hour Disney special produced in the last 5-6 years.
That's kind of why I'm glad they keep doing this crap.
@@paulmaul2186 the reviews are more entertaining than the movies.
Last 20 years more like
@@DarranKern Pixar as well?
@@Crazypug2881 yes. The desecration of pixar is a little more recent, but its been a long time since Toy Story 3, hasn’t it?
Disney will either correct their mistakes or they will crash and burn. Either way, it will be entertaining.
Do you think there is even the remotest chance they don't have the throttle to full as they go off the cliff?
They're already crashing and burning and yes, it is entertaining. I used to love Disney but the entity using that name today isn't it.
They will destroy every single franchaise. And after that remake everything again. Until Blackrock finally pulls the plug.
" Entertaining , " that's a word they've forgotten .
They are so far off the cliff they have crashed through the bedrock and wrecked Lucifer's new bbq pit.
That full wind-up slap on what looks like a 13 year old kid by a girl a head taller than him was uncomfortable to watch lol
My wife was really excited to watch this. It took about 46 seconds for her to say “what’s goin on here?” And she kept saying it wasn’t right. We watched about 8 minutes and went to find the original.
She’s like “…. The fuck”
Cool story bro
To be honest its on her to think Disney could ever do this movie justice. Although doing something justice and shitting the bed are completely different things.
She took the right decision
@galima don't be a dick, bro
A story about the difficulties of growing up written by people who never had to. I truly wonder what it feels like to write characters so devoid of, well character.
😂
King of the comments. excellent observation
@Adamus Secundus > cash cow
Oh?
Which is why hook made such a great sequel since it tackled those same themes, but from the adult end of things with Peter being so focused on work that he lost all sense of childish wonder and wasn’t there for his kids.
Their definition of adulthood is having puberty blockers at 7 and gender affirming surgery at 12. They are insane.
Peter Pan: girls are much too clever to be lost, mothers are important to children, a girl is nurturing to her younger siblings
Disney: NOt oN MY fuCkinG WatCh
"Don't Question it! Just clap like the mindless seals that you are!" 🤣 Pretty much sums up every recent disney offering.
I would have loved it if they'd named it "Wendy, Tiger Lilly, Tinker Bell & the lost diverse individuals - feat. special guest appearances from someone pretending to be Peter Pan" 😅
Welly put sir ,I commend you
Pander Pan
Someon who identifies as peterpan
I'm honestly disturbed by Wendy slapping Peter Pan. In an age when children seem to be becoming more violent and unhinged by the day due to a lack of good morals being taught to them, this is bastardization of beloved characters on a whole new level.
preach!
And honestly it’s a terrible message for children. It honestly should be just as unacceptable for women to slap men as it is for men to slap women, but we don’t treat it this way.
I was surprised to see that.
Can you imagine the uproar if he'd hit her back?
Indeed
With how much you liked Puss In Boots: The Last Wish for refusing to pander to _modern audiences_ that do not exist, and actually being smart with its writing choices for storytelling and character-building, I am a bit surprised that you never went in the opposite direction to get angry at Ralph Breaks the Internet, with many of the same criticisms that you gave towards Santa Inc. or Peter Pan and Wendy.
I honestly had no idea this movie existed...the algorithms must be working. Thanks for the beautiful reminder of what is so lovely about the original characters!
The part where Wendy said "But you aren't all boys", and they all replied in unison "Did you just assume our gender?" really had me in tears. Truly a diverse modern masterpiece
I think the scene where Peter talks to Hook, and stares straight ahead, saying in a very omnious way "I know what school and what class-room you go to". Its a good scene but its also a bit distasteful with all the school-shootings, but I think he implies pranking him or something, still, its powerful.
Yes, I also cried tears of diversity. Oh, wait a tick, actually I didn’t, lol.
Just like the classic known as The Room.
@@marcohidalgo1101
How dare you insult that absolute masterpiece
And then they said "It's Morbin time!" and chopped off their genitals! I felt that.
I liked the part when Robin Williams played an older Peter who forgot how to have fun and has a whole original story that stays faithful to Peter pan and is great for everyone to watch
I view that as a nice what if story
Way better film. Also RIP Robin Williams.
"Peter you've become a pirate"
I liked when you thought he was just running late for the baseball game and did the dueling cell phone bit but it turned out he missed the game.
Now THAT was a good movie.
Cant even call them the lost boys, I only refer to them as homeless kids
I knew what it was about when they tagged Wendy at the end of the title
On top of everything else, it bothers me that they broke a decades long tradition and got separate actors for Hook and Mr. Darling. They've always traditionally been played by the same actor because Hook represents everything Wendy and the boys despise about the idea of growing up and they initially see those qualities reflected in their father. But when they return to London, they see him as a real person and that growing up isn't all that bad. Their perspective of their father has softened and they no longer see him as the villain. But Disney doesn't have anyone in any of their departments who understands the old stories they're paid to ruin.
Is that right? I had no idea. No wonder Mr Darling and Hook are voiced by the same actor
@@chibicheeks78 Even in the live action movie from 2003, these characters are played by same actor.
I never realized that! Jumanji must have borrowed that same idea when they cast the same actor as both Alan's father and the hunter.
Nice!
It's modern Disney. Why even pick up the original book for reference material when they've already planned to diversify the story?
I'm honestly surprised that Tiger Lilly and Wendy didn't end up together. It's what "modern audiences" would have wanted to spice up this dumpster fire.
Make Tiger Lilly go off on some schpeal about "muh land stolen by angry white man" while scissoring Wendy as Peter pan sulks in the corner.
That'll be in the sequel/spin off that nobody asks for lol
That will be in the parody porn film, probably being made now
@@smokingcrab2290 Dude.
@@smokingcrab2290 They might use Peter's emptied skull as a candle-holder. In some "advanced" groups that's probably already called "well deserved justice".
I love how all of these dreadful remakes send everyone back to the original animated features.
Disney - Turning childhood memories into adult nightmares.
Literally every female arc in 2020s is just “realising how awesome she is!”
Affirming how awesome she is, she already knew it before.
It’s gotten so bad that the exceptions are rejected by the audience on principle.
Every woman “is all of the Jedi” now.
sure seems that way
Man it's like the whamen have dementia or something that they need to be constantly reminded how awesome they are.
Disney understands the villains so well and rewrites them into tragic, misunderstood anti-heroes because Disney IS the villian now and can relate more to the villian than the hero.
Disney self insert meta is real good shit
At least Jude Law hook as the newest misunderstood antihero adds some "diversity" to the mostly female antiheroes they have now.
Now a man is allowed to join the girls club!
The Shelleys would be proud of whay their proto-Satanism has turned into
Yes. Being a villian is EASY. Being a hero is hard. Very hard.
The real question is, do the kids still like it?
The true villain of this movie was the character writing.
Jude Law represents the audience investment in modern Disney.
Disney's stock has dropped 39% wince last year, yet they still haven't learned their lesson. Let's watch as one of the biggest entertainment kingdoms ever crashes and burns.
Love the part where they just throw in a plane in Wendy's vision of her adult life, and don't stop to think for even a moment that planes might not have been invented before the Peter Pan show, nor that the planes wouldn't be made like that back then.
That just tells you the writers themselves didn't give a single f**k.🤪
You could just look it up. The first Peter Pan play was in 1904, 1 year after the Wright brothers' first flight. And the book was written in 1911 which was 2 years after the first war plane was made. So you could argue the model of plane is a little off, but that could be chalked up to Wendy imagining the future, which might not be representative of reality.
Yeah, the Wright brothers' flight was only a year before the Peter Pan play debuted. So this bit would only make sense if she was seeing her actual future, rather than what she wanted to do in her future. But if that's what happened, then how did she get this sudden power? And considering this glimpse of her future had a contraption she wouldn't know about, then why wouldn't she be confused rather than like "Yasss this is what I want to do!"
@@xitaris5981 I'd love to see a girl boss version of the first world war where women are being blown to pieces in the trenches etc. I wonder what that would look like.
The version of the play (by J. M. Berrie) that Disney originally adapted was set in the 1950s-1960s, after the first 2 world wars. So Wendy would have known about planes at that time as due to being set in London she would have heard stories about the RAF from her family, friends, and at school.
The original story was set in 1903, the same year the Wright Brothers flew their first successful flight which made international news, so it would still be possible for Wendy to know of planes at least in concept.
The best live action movie version of Peter Pan is “Peter Pan” 2003. It sticks to the book really well, has good actors, decent effects for the time, great visuals, and likable developed characters. All the ingredients for a good movie…Something Disney has seemed to forget about completely.
10-year-old me had such a crush on that Peter
And Jason Isaacs as Hook!
Oh yea.. I remember that one! It was fuN!
thank you for mentioning this! this one had the best hook & pan (jason isaacs & jeremy sumpter played them to the T) Hook 1991 is another honorable mention
I was an 80s baby, so I was raised on Hook with Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman. Haven’t seen this 2003 one, but I would have to argue that nobody could do those roles better than those actors. Might be too scary for my kids though, so I’ll have to look into this one you mention.
Old wendy represented motherhood to me when I was a kid. A loving kind and feminine nature graceful classy and mature without being a know-it-all.
I love when Disney's attempts at inclusion points backfire because of something they didn't account for. The explanation for why it was only lost boys in the original was basically that boys are stupid and thus, would get lost easier than girls. Now that they've put girls in the lost boys, it does send an equality message, but the message is girls are just as naive and ignorant as boys. Same thing happened in Pinocchio where they added girls to the Pleasure Island scene. It definitely wasn't the intended message, but it's the message you get with the original context.
You made a great point about Wendy. The whole point of the story of Peter Pan is an allegorical personification of the struggle between boyhood and manhood. Peter is the perpetual boy. He never grows up, he just wants to have fun. He is the epitome of “failure to launch.“ That’s why the Lost BOYS are such an important aspect of the story. Even Wendy’s brothers get caught up in their adolescent shenanigans. It makes no sense for girls to be part of that group, because girls are inherently different, and it is that difference that saves Peter in the end. It takes Wendy’s maturity and maternal instinct to help the boys to grow into men. Without it, they grow into Captain Hook, (who is always played [at least in the plays] by the same actor who plays Mr. Darling, incidentally). Captain Hook is the villain because, as you said, he represents all of the horrible things that adults are capable of. And more to the point of the story, he represents the rough, overbearing father of Wendy and her brothers. But it is her feminine characteristics and qualities that complement the boys’ roughness and impetuous behavior, helping them to grow up into good men. In fact, in the movie Hook, Peter Pan’s daughter makes this observation when she screams at Captain Hook, “You need a mother, very, very badly!”
All that to say, modern Disney has no idea what this story is about and it’s clear. If you want to watch a live action Peter Pan adaptation, go find the one that was made back in 2003 with Jason Isaacs as Captain Hook.
Yes ,its important that Hook is played by the sameactor as Mr Darling to show the complex passage of maturity and duty at the time
Ah! that explain why in the 2003's movie Hook's actor play also Mr Darling, I didn't know it was a Play reference!
Actual disney actually has no idea about what this new version is about neither
She called him motherless lol
Don't tell any 'writers' that stuff it just might make sense
What strikes me as the most interesting takeaway of all this is that Wendy flies because of all the cool things she gets to do, but an older Peter in Hook, played by Robin Williams, learns to fly again because of the memories of his children. There's no noble cause, just self interest which, coincidentally, older Peter ALSO had to move on from.
But she’s a girl and therefore “you go gurrrll” 🙄
Who’s even watching this shit anyway?
Hook was amazing.
Hook was the greatest Peter Pan live action movie. I watched it recently and its still good.
Their goal is spiritual, not financial. The money lost is irrelevant. It’s about sending a message….
2:53 - Lost Boiiis (Island Bois)
- but you're not all BOYS?
- SO?! (We *identify* as BOYS)
LMAO ... *CRIINNNGEE!!!*
I have always looked up to Wendy as a child. She's confident but not aggressive. She's kind and polite but she can stand up for herself. And she never thought of herself as better than anyone in Neverland. She has a nurturing nature that inspired child me to be the same. She was like the model older sister I wish I would become.
I mean the classic Wendy of course.
I don't know who this new "Wendy" is...
Imagine you're a kid, and you get told you'll be playing Peter Pan in the new Peter Pan movie, only to find you're role is getting basically sidelined by all the female characters.
Funny how the animated versions of the characters feel much more like real people than the live action versions ever will
Except old animated characters like that are usually all heterosexual, cisgender and white. And if they're not, they're hateful and offensive stereotypes
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 So a story about children in victorian England is wrong for having the characters be white and straight? Those two are the majority by a large margin and were an even larger majority back then
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395lolol triggered because they were not made in Africa or Asia?
You need to brush up on your animated history tho for real
@@AJellieDonutdon’t worry about them. They are the “everything triggers me unless there is no whites around” racist type
@FuzzyOtterPaws, oh wow you mean a nation largely inhabited by normal white straight people made some art that represents them? My God, I can't imagine living such a miserable and pathetic life as you. Always having meltdowns and gaslighting yourself into being offended over what's normal and harmless. Living by made up words in the chaotic world of identity politics. Always having to change everything till it's completely destroyed because somehow the worst possible rendition of something is what actually satisfies your bizarre sensibilities.
The entire freaking point of the lost boys is to show how boys need a mother to teach them to be empathetic and caring to go along with the lessons their father teaches them to be protective and a leader. It’s a movie that promotes the need for both parents and shows how you need them both to raise children. Making them “lost individuals” ruins this idea by creating an imbalance of genders. I don’t understand why Disney did this… oh wait… yea I do
@@nope3516you really don’t understand his comment do you? I don’t even know where to start…
@@nope3516 how do you even know lol
you never met this guy
would have been a funny trope subversion if they got caught in never land trying to be assertive girl bosses that but heads and have to learn how to work together and they the world doesn't revolve around you to escape.
Exactly!!! Well said!!!! Our society has become the lost boys bc it lacks GOOD parenting!
That is Pedro pan.
Disney is the corporate equivalent of a beloved family restaurant adding a sign that they now spit in every meal.
I mean to be fair, the original Disney's Peter Pan was probably an equal bastardization of the original story made for the audiences of the time. I agree though that it seems really odd that the most important thing we seem to be wanting to teach girls is that they don't need anybody to be happy, as if the perfect life of a girl is to sit at home scrolling through Instagram with a giant smile on her face 24/7 and waiting for an opportunity to punch a man for oppressing her with his masculinity. I don't think we're ready for the Pandora's Box soon to be opened when we realized that we sterilized our future generations with sanctimony.
It's hilarious that they basically turned Peter Pan into a villain.
He is male. Previously he was a hero. This is a Disney film, of course he was destroyed.
@@Kyle-sr6jmand he’s brown. It’s only appropriate.
Mean he was kinda an asshole in the book
Did the same in Once Upon A Time too, but Robbie Kay was perfect for Peter Pan. Smarmy twerp that everyone hated.
Peter Pan is not Shakespeare. We need heroes and villains to be themselves.
Is no one going to call out the fact that Wendy imagines herself flying a late 1930s style biplane in a story that takes place in 1902, a year before the first powered flight?
She's going to invent the plane before the wright brothers.
She’s gonna be the Wright sister
In this kind of garbage, the Wright Brothers never invented the airplane. They just sat on a dune at Kitty Hawk and yelled "YAASSSS KWEEN!! SLAYYYY!!!!" as the plane plowed through the sand cos it's too heavy to take off cos Wendy brought every diverse box-check she knew so they could all be first, and no one would be second and get his --- er, I mean, their pweshuss widow feewings hurted.
I do see the contradiction there. I believe people were trying to build the first plane pre-Wright brothers, so flying WAS probably something someone with imagination WOULD be thinking about, but the fact that they show the design when it wasn't even sure WHICH design would prove successful IS kinda weird.
Also, how exactly would a child be able to even KNOW planes were being build? One would need to be TOLD about it or it should appear as some kind of article in a newspaper to even make sense in terms of the story being told. It's that old mistake of knowing stuff without ever having had to be informed of something happening.
Didn't you know, it's very hip and popular to reveal the fact that a woman secretly created X and no one knew all along.
Best version is the 2003 Peter Pan. Jeremy Sumpter is a perfect Peter, Jason Isaacs (Malfoy's father from Harry Potter) is Mr. Darling and Hook. Best version I've ever seen.
I'm not surprised that Disney hosed up yet another beloved old story.
The only Peter Pan Live action movie I will accept is the one with Jason Issacs as Captain Hook - and that wasn't by Disney. It was by Universal. Jason Issacs played Captain Hook. Thinking back now, the movie was hella dark. People got shot, Tinkerbell tried to kill Wendy, someone killed a fairy, Tink nearly died, Peter nearly died, like half the movie was just these adults attempting to brutally murder these kids. Not only that, but the dude's crew literally halves by the end of the movie as Hook's crew is like... well dead. Tinkerbell is also a real asshole in the movie, probably worse than the OG Disney adaptation. I have never relished in a character's death so much.
(I'm a woman) The craziest thing about all these "girl-boss" characters is how anti feminine they are. There are many ways to be a woman. To be more gentle and feminine isn't WRONG. Taking every female character and removing anything feminine about them, making them as masculine as possible, is an insult. You can still be strong and independent while also being caring and gentle. Plus, as you mentioned, all these "girl-bosses" are identical from each other. It's the same cookie-cutter, bland, over powered character over and over again. I can only take so much before I want some variety! Again, every woman is different, and they can be written in many different ways! Lastly, this wave of "girl-power" movies I notice have created an opposite effect on society from the past. This massive wave of children's movies featuring only female leads is creating a void of movies that little boys can enjoy, with role models they can look up to. I believe that if the media is good enough, all genders can enjoy it. However, that is no excuse to take a franchise with a predominantly popular male lead and dumb them down, disgrace them, or flat out remove them from said media. Imagine if you took a popular franchise featuring a female lead and make them male? Everyone would hate that! We can't keep having these double standards! Wendy physically assaulting Peter over *nothing* is the realization of what im talking about. A real feminist doesn't want the right to assault men. They want equal respect so no one needs to hit anyone.
I didn't even see any Pan movie ever but this is insane, because the originals actually seem to have a better and more feminist message than this: the father is clearly a worse parent than the mom, at least first, the bad guy is a man and Peter has negative traits and needs Wendy to grow, and she's a better person there. The lost boys are all boys not because of some 'we don't need no women amongst us lads' type of thing, but because the author thought that boys are more reckless and unresponsible than girls, therefore he literally thought young boys to be less developed than girls. This is completely missing here. From a point of view the whole meaning of the story is that boys need girls to show them an example of maturity, ergo women elevate men, and men are worse without women. Funnily this readily made feminist message is lost on Hollywood.
Very insightful point. What is feminism, is it treating men and women as equals, or is it making women pick up all the characteristics of men until there is no difference.
I often find myself thinking that the modern storytellers are far more misogynistic than the stories they excoriate. They take an actress, slot her into a male role, with every male trait turned up to 11 because the only thing that matters is that she kicks ass. It's like they want to win some imaginary battle between the sexes, and in pursuit of that victory, they'll happily jettison every softer, nurturing female trait. They really don't seem to like women. (And Wendy slapping Peter is the whole point. I think people are just taking notice because they're children.)
@ronaldbell7429 All of this 100%! I can kinda see where people come from when they complain about the older fairytales. However, I primarily remember being bothered by them when I was in middle/highschool because I was at the height of my "not like other girls" phase. Now that I'm an adult, I can see how damaging that mindset is. Every girl is an individual! Every girl is "not like other girls." That includes those that indulge in femininity, love dresses for the aesthetic, are nurturing by nature, would rather be a stay at home mother, etc. There is no "right" way to be a woman, but making every role model basically a butch archetype is probably not ideal. Little girls need variety so they can see themselves represented in ways that aren't strictly physical. And little boys shouldn't be left in the dust with this new movement. It's all so hypocritical.
Idk man, kinda sounds like Heresy
All these remakes are basically, "Hey kids, wanna see lamer versions that are forgettable? Well, here you go".
Soooo true.
Bbbbbbbut can't you relate since NOW they look like you
The original wasn't even that good either
I find myself in an untenable middle when it comes to the issue of being a "modern" woman. In some ways, I am. In others, I am definitely not.
I don't regret not having kids, but I adore my husband and think men are wonderful. I use my career success to prop up relatives and friends who struggle. In that way, since I'm not good at the emotional stuff, I support others in a quasi-maternal way.
I actually struggle with other women more than men. I've never been able to navigate those relationships, be they familial or purely social.
I think we're better off when we work together than against each other.
I like watching men and women kick ass, even if they don't use their legs. I like watching both sexes overcome obstacles in different ways. These modern "female" "characters" don't even have masculine traits. They have sarcasm and smugness. They're machines, but not awesome machines, just bland, calculative figures who bounce from one scenario to the next and are rude to everyone in the process.
It is only through failure that you succeed. The failures are what make us root for the heroes. You can't emotionally get behind someone who just does things and treats everyone as lessers. That's called being a dick.
Who actually likes these so-called characters? Apparently no one since these movies keep failing.
Just going to point out, she imagined herself flying a plane, when planes hadn't been invented yet.
I loved the part where I refused to take my kids to see any current-era Disney movies and changed our family vacation plans to not include Disneyworld.
This movie was already in my ignored list. Thank you Critical Drinker for taking one for the team!
Totally agree. He's a brave and patient man, even if he does it to get paid by views.
Always giving so selflessly to sacrifice for our sanity. The bonfire of the vanities that the industry has become makes me weep for the future of filmmaking.
So help me, if they destroy Oppenheimer I’m going to war. After reading American Prometheus and learning that Nolan was directing, and Murphy was starring, I’ve been so hyped. But I’ve learned to temper my expectations where this group of misfits is concerned.
The Drinker is a martyr fir Disney.
The list of movies on my ignore list is (1.) all of them
It's in everyone's ignored list. The woke media, the rest of media, even Disney. Straight to D+ is as close to an admission of - this movie is shite - as you can get.