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When do you think acceptance becomes glorification?
acceptance of what exactly? the weight that you purposefully gain? i would only talk about acceptance when it come to something that cant be changed, like missing a leg, not something that someone inflicted to themselves on purpose.
I think people should realize that there is a difference between size and beauty. Your beauty isn't decided by your size and appearance. However, size IS important, specifically in terms of HEALTH. I'll say it again: health and beauty are two separate things. Both are important, but they aren't nearly as linked as many may think.
When do you think genuine health concerns become weaponized and used as a justification for discrimination and fatphobia? Because I would say your video is a prime example of that🤮
I’m so glad you are talking about this Zoe! You do it in a very respectful and smart way. Truly the food industry needs to stop the lies, Being obese isn’t healthy.
Loving yourself means not hurting yourself with habits that shorten your life and damage your body.
I'm not seeing any of that being promoted. Quite the opposite actually.
I think feeling beautiful and self love as an overweight person is 100% okay and should be accepted, however it is not okay to convince people that it is healthy and that there is no need for a lifestyle change.
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btw and tbh it's not your place to tell them to change their lifestyle. worry about yourself lol.
@@maydaez Not doing that at all. I am not a dietitian nor am I a doctor or another specialist in that field so I am not gonna try and convince somebody to have a 180 degrees lifestyle change, it’s to each their own. It’s merely a fact that being overweight is not healthy.
I think the self love and self acceptance is so important on a healthy journey to better habits. It shouldn’t be about the weight or looks but BECAUSE you WANT to care for the body you love.
Glorifying obesity isn’t ok but sharing your self love journey and being healthy while not having a “perfect” body is totally fine. Showing progress working out and eating healthy>>> it’s okay to eat junk food sometimes just not every day!
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Exacly!! Even if your skinny or at weight eating unhealthy is a horrible habit, im still trying to work on it myself!
I second this!!
Oh man, being an alcoholic and being told I’m not as fun when I’m sober…. That’s a tough one for me.
Stay strong!! You may not be as “”fun”” but you’ll be way happier if you find joy outside of your habits. Recovery is possible for everyone! ❤
There’s a book about how to stop being an alcoholic by Allen Carr that I highly recommend. Best of luck on your journey❤
As someone who is sober, I ended up finding a different group of friends … I remember that sometimes it’s just finding the right people. I used to live in the UK where so many of the social activities involved drinks, and it felt so weird being the only non-drinking person there - I befriended some other people who coincidentally didn’t drink for religious reasons and had a lot more fun with them! Sometimes it’s not a me being boring problem but a “friend group” not fitting anymore!
If anyone actually feels that way, they are not your friends!
hey coming from someone who's accidentally said this to someone when they were drunk- I wouldn't take it too seriously I personally just meant it like everyone is a little more fun when they're drunk inclusing myself and I'm sure whoever said it doesn't genuinely mean it- it's one of those phrases u say when ur having tipsy fun but don't actually mean to a big extent. just wanted to chip in with the other perspective x
I'm considered overweight (not obese, i eat ok and exercise constantly), and for me, the message these people should be passing is "you can try to be healthier without hating yourself through the process". Loving yourself is taking care of your body. Right now, i'm way healthier than i was before, but i don't feel the need to look like a victoria secrets model. My selfsteem has got way better and i'm happy that i'm healthy :)
yes that explains it perfectly! i gained 20 pounds after i graduated high school completely unknowingly and it took me four years to accept it and realize that the bone skinny teenager i was was just a phase of life and im still a very healthy person even when im not super skinny anymore... on the other hand acceptance is only the first part and it is important to love ourselves in every present moment but continue to make healthy choices with the goal of living a long life not looking a certain way
Healthy at any size is just factually wrong. Being super underweight and or overweight are both bad. Like anything in life, it’s all about balance.
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What are we supposed to look at? Our bmi? Our tone muscles or inches around our waist?
@@Yana-qq7ycvisceral fat, blood pressure, muscularity
@@serantos how
@@Yana-qq7yc while BMI may not be 100% accurate, it's a good starting indicator as the average human being is not a body builder nor do they have bones so dense it throws you off by several pounds. Think of the human body as the frame of a house. You will need more insulation (ie. fat, muscle, etc.) for a frame that is 6' tall versus 5'3". From there it helps to look at heart rate, waist/hip ratio, and just doing a self check of how you're feeling (tired all the time, lack of focus, etc.) to better suit your own needs.
We shouldn't shame obese people but that doesn't mean they're healthy either. They should try to love their bodies by becoming healthy at their own pace without people insulting them along the way
Right!! 🙌
True! ❤
I think immigrants and foreigners will agree with me just how "bad" food in the us is. You gotta put extra effort to maintain your normal diet and avoid the seemingly normal products that contain crazy levels of sugar. I've heard from the people who immigrated that everyone will gain at least 15 pounds in their first year in the us. Is that normal? Definitely not.
Can confirm. Hate American food. Everything is just more, more sugar, more salt, larger servings. Even the colours are bizarre. I think they make your food brighter cos you find it more appetising apparently.
I am visiting my sister in NH, US for a month. Everybody in my family is slim. I see incredible food availability that I am not used to. 20 types of every product in the shelves. Pre-washed, pre-cut fruit and veg. Plant based milk products with probiotics. And when you go out, restaurants happily accept customized orders (gluten free, vegan or to take out or swap the ingredients).
My first time in US was was when I was a teenager. I lived in LA with friends who were all chubby. I gained weight staying with them, because I ate like them. My sister didn’t because she didn’t change her eating habits while being there.
It’s both easier to eat healthy or unhealthy here. You become who you are.
@@PettyBlue1 yeah that's true
SERIOUSLY THO!! First time I went to the US I was so underwhelmed by the food. I had been warned but oh my lord, its was BAD! Most foods tasted artificial af, almost as if you are eating plastic with some seasoning on it. And the real tasty food, made with quality ingredients that maybe didn’t come in a package were crazy expensive for a normal, middle class budget. Not to mention I felt like shit throughout the whole trip. Went back to my country dreaming abt real food.
I lived abroad for 5 years and everything we ate we harvested.Even the store bought things, it was easy to track the exact farm the came from. Everything in the US is too processed and sadly that's all that's available in some areas.😮
My gym teacher had a really good point in this. He had worked for a school where on of the athletes was physically fit, but ate really unhealthy. That kid had heart problems by his 20s and other health issues. The issue isnt always size, its diet. Bad diets are bad for everyone, some obese people just show the external results of bad diets.
yes! my mom is "obese" by the numbers and my dad is "normal" by the numbers but he actually eats way worse and has more of a diabetic problem than her plus when she gets her muscle to fat index checked its in the normal range... dont judge a book by its cover!
as much as i wanna say everyone is beautiful in their own way, it’s important to know that you have to be healthy. i’m all for embracing different body types and diversity but we are doing ourselves a disservice if we are glorifying unhealthy lifestyles and making our bodies suffer the consequences for it.
I agree , but I think that we should be able to call fat people beautiful since , beauty and health are two very different things. But yeah except of that fact I agree completely
@@call_me_R beauty and health are biologically extreemly tightly woven. Our brains where litteraly wired to find certain traits more beautifull, to ensure a match with a healthy mate.
NOT everyone is beautiful to be honest, and that is ok! Some people are beautiful, others are ugly, others ares average. And that is all good and ok?
These obese women are not beautiful, period, but should they be treated with respect and compassion because they are human being that are sick? Of course.
This whole “everyone is beautiful” must end, because it is virtually not true and it is a hurtful statement.
@@thornsandrosess and yet people will find unnatural appearences beautiful because of the beauty standard.
we can find anything beautiful, beauty _is_ subjective even if our brains were "designed" to find "healthy traits" attractive.
Every single person regardless of their size deserves love, respect and love themselves enough to improve their habits and their health. It’s not necessarily about loving our bodies (body neutrality is fine) it’s about loving ourselves enough to invest in our health
it’s the same as telling an alcoholic that it’s okay to drink, and drink a lot
As a smoker, I have always thought it is absurd to lecture people about the negative consequences of smoking, and I’ve always responded ironically with “Yeah, I hate smokers too, they’re killing themselves and they don’t even care”. No one is gonna stop doing something harmful (drugs, alcohol, junk food) just because you say so. However, I would never convince anyone that my lifestyle is as healthy as the one of a non-smoker, or I would say that I don’t have a problem of addiction because that’s just lying to yourself.
Acknowledging that you have a problem is the first step, and the “body positive” movement is trying to avoid that acknowledgment in the recent years.
Finally, I think is so funny how people are always criticizing others’ addictions as if it was so easy to change your bad habits, while all of them have a similar problem with another substance (alcohol, caffeine, etc)
I've thought this for years. I myself have never been an ideal "healthy" weight - either I was anorexic and extremely underweight, or stress eating and overweight. I'm approaching a level of normalcy now, but regardless of the size I've been I've always felt that the extremes in either direction just aren't good. I TOTALLY understand treating yourself sometimes, or going out with friends and having a good time and not worrying about the food or the drinks on occasion, but we have a responsibility to ourselves and to our loved ones to take care of our bodies. It's just not right to go to any extreme; it's a cliche for a reason. "All things in moderation".
The problem is now on both scales: being extremely skinny and the diseases (anorexia) that it comes with are glorified but also being extremely overweight and its diseases are glorified:
What should be glorified is being healthy at the size that is right for the individual.
I will say something though as a cardiovascular student, we have learnt and it is proven that being overly skinny is worse for long-term cardiovascular health vs being overweight. It is something that is not often mentioned but the cardiovascular problems you get with obesity can be cured as long as the extra weight is lost. However, the damage that is done to the cardiovascular system from being malnourished cannot be undone, it often results in murmurs, palpitations, vascular problems, and increases the risk of all CV diseases in later life. I also speak from experience here as I was underweight with anorexia for 3 years and have now got Raynaud syndrome and a heart murmur. My underweight was other people's "normal" which only made my condition worse as I was only taken seriously when I ended up in hospital (with people still saying that it couldn't be to do with my weight as I didn't look too skinny). I am now a healthy weight and size, I am very active and my health stats are as good as they can be (despite the long-lasting effects of anorexia). What's sad for me is that people ask if I want to go back to my skinnier self, people ask if I want to do diets with them to lose some weight and ask for tips on weight loss.
Sadly, my sick body is still more glorified than my healthy body.
I just don’t want to be called chubby at a healthy BMI anymore, but of course the movement had to go overboard :/
Fat people shouldn't be treated badly simply for being fat, regardless of their health, people should be allowed to love themselves even if they don't fit the ideal beauty trends, but fat acceptance on the internet has taken a very toxic turn where bigger is better and all health concerns are a conspiracy and if you want to try and get healthy, which includes losing weight, you get ostracized and bullied because skinny people are bad. Very bizarre.
honestly as long as you are HEALTHY,you do what you do.
This is a very mean thing to say as a blanket statement, there are a ton of health issues one can experience that are not in the person's control.
you do what you do either way.
no one has the right to pester other people's life choices AND issues beyond their control just because it's not healthy for them. You don't love them, they're not making a difference in your life neither you are on theirs, so care about your _own_ health, if you care so much.
You really can’t win either way, people are are always gonna be nasty. I use to be 297lbs now I weigh 160lbs plus extra skin on my body and still get bullied. Fat, skinny, midsize, curvy etc.. You just can’t win!
Hah! I hear you ! I’ve been 200++++ and less than 100. Can’t win either way with others .. So, what can we do ?! Just love self . Be happy . Do what you want to do .
Anyone who is trying to pull you down is already beneath you. Ignore the green eyed monsters and do what you want ❤
You shouldn't have to lose weight for other people but for yourself and your own health. Going from 150 to 80kgs definitely lengthened your life expectancy
Well done! They can laugh all they want but you’re the one who took initiative to improve your own health and mindset
Bich try being a short man
I feel like nowadays figuring out the boundaries between the awareness of human health and the body positivity movements is so hard. I definitely agreed with a lot of points you made in the video! People saying the being overweight is healthy is definitely anything but true, but if you happen to be overweight being able to accept and love your body is a big part of existing. If you’re unhappy with yourself you CAN change! It takes lots of hard work but it is possible. Accepting yourself can be accepting the fact that you need to change, and I feel like a lot of people ignore that.
Yes there is a lot of money in keeping people fat and encouraging them to love their fat bodies but there’s just as must money in telling people to hate their bodies and the weight loss/“wellness”industry.
Exactly
But people don't talk about that....
@@lennybennyyare you saying they don’t talk about the money to be made in keeping people fat or telling them they need to lose weight? Because I see tons of videos criticizing the weight loss industry
@@themagicknightress7132 tbh not nearly as much as when people talk about plus size people
Weight loss industry is 224.27 billion. Processed food industry 1991.3 billion. (both globally, you can look it up)
Weight loss industry doesn't make "just as much money" - it makes literally 10 times less. And that's not even counting what big pharma makes on obesity-related problems.
@@anhelaanhela4996 Companies can double dip. First tell someone they are perfect however they are so they eat that can of icecream and ravage box of oreos. Then you tell them that it's not good for them and they should lose weight -> buy gym membership. After being a couch potato for months since gym membership started, become so guilty they destroy multiple servings of their comfort food. Weight is getting worse, here are your options: 1. Box meals for better food consuption. 2. Stop caring and go back to eating all the addictive foods. 3. Get your fat medically removed.
In short: STONKS
As someone who is on a journey losing 100lbs I hate the fat acceptance movement because there’s nothing normal about it, why do petitions to remove under weight people from the internet but keep obese people on because body positivity… if you can’t hype an anorexic don’t hype a binge eater.
EXACTLY FINALLY
exactly its both jst as bad and both r promoting health problems
Binge eating is not the same as being overweight?? Sure, being morbidly obese is certainly not something that should be encouraged but it’s definitely not the same as binge eating. People can be (believe it or not) obese and not be constantly binge eating foods. There are so, SO many factors that people forget about when it comes to weight. Important to remember that.
@@iconiccrowbar6702 I am very aware of that, I have pcos and an under active thyroid my body is fighting to cling to excess crap that’s added into our food.
Why applaud someone’s decision to not eat healthy or make an attempt to better their lives and shame others for not eating healthy or making an attempt to better their lives because they’re on the other end of the weight spectrum.
I have been 100lbs overweight and am fully aware that at least 80% of obese people are big snackers and meals are smaller and you hear the “I don’t eat that much I don’t understand why I’m fat” because they don’t register the calories from the snacking.
I think it’s important you remember that too!
@@relaxingsleepstudyaudio7378 I will keep that in mind👍🏻It just seems to me that there is always multiple factors, not just one. A combination of an unhealthy lifestyle and underlying health conditions seems to be the most common thing I run into.
We agree that big food and marketing are actively encouraging overeating and food addiction, and profit off people being overweight and unhealthy. Encouraging others to gain unnecessary excess weight or *intentionally* gaining more weight yourself when already at an unhealthy weight, especially when publicizing or promoting it to a broad audience--I think we can all agree that isn't good, just like any influencer promoting unhealthy behavior isn’t good. However, painting ALL obesity as a "choice" ignores the many, many factors contributing to obesity. Mental health, lack of access to affordable/easy to prepare/satisfying healthy foods, genetic factors, eating disorders, marketing and misinformation, preexisting conditions, eating/fitness behaviors set and modeled for you as a child, injuries and illnesses, lack of health education. The industry profits off obesity, yes. It also profits off diet culture, which is an equally massive industry--gyms, supplements, personal trainers, sugar-free/"diet" foods, diet programs, keto, gluten-free, weight watchers, etc. etc.. While you recognize shaming people is bad, calling fat people "quote-unquote beautiful", including quotes equating fatness with a lack of discipline and personal responsibility, and including clips from fat influencers who are clearly joking but treating it as though they're being serious doesn't support that point, and claiming "genuine self-love comes from within and not society telling you ... your size is quote-unquote beautiful" really overlooks the repeatedly proven impact media has on self-perception. As you say, there's a difference between acceptance and glorification, and glorification is bad, but we disagree about where that line is--calling fat people beautiful or considering yourself beautiful while fat is not glorification. I've been morbidly obese and a normal weight according to my BMI. I've had times in my life where I was active and times when I wasn't, and times when I couldn't be. For me, treating my mental health/eating disorder and recovering from grief has helped me get back to a normal weight, but when I was overweight I still deserved to love myself, feel confident and sexy, not be harassed on the street or accused of setting a bad example, and have access to clothes that fit me, just like any other person struggling with their mental or physical health. NOT having those things, being mooed at on the street, and hearing constantly about how lazy I was and how easy it would be to lose weight? Yeah, that made it worse. It wasn't motivating, it was discouraging, because it made me feel worthless. Why should I bother helping myself if I'm not worth anything? As contradictory as it might seem, being told I had value and being around people who found me beautiful made me value myself more and seek treatment that, ultimately, made me lose weight. You might look at someone and think "how hard is it to stop eating? how hard is it to choose healthy foods? how hard is it to go to the gym?" but if you've never been in that situation you have no idea the intense physical and mental effort it takes, how difficult it is to find accurate information about how to do it especially at higher weights, and how easily it can slip into an eating disorder that only makes the problem worse. The idea that allowing fat people stuck in that cycle to exist without tormenting them or allowing them to feel beautiful "encourages" them is ridiculous. Trust me, every fat person knows they're fat, every fat person knows being fat is unhealthy, and every fat person knows society doesn't want them to be fat and considers being fat undesirable. It's told to them by their doctors, advertisements, movies, books, video games, and strangers on the street. YOU don't need to tell them too, just because a small vocal minority of fat people are sensationalizing themselves to make money (many of whom probably don't genuinely believe what they're saying but just want to build a following for profit). People have been sensationalizing unhealthy behavior for clout forever, that doesn't mean society as a whole thinks that behavior is healthy, and it is certainly not a reason to act like every fat person holds those ideas and is responsible for it. If we want to make the comparison to addiction, then haven't we learned anything from how addiction is treated? Banning something and ostracizing addicts is proven not to help. Supporting them and providing safety and treatment options nonjudgmentally does overall, even if it takes time and some people refuse help.
You said everything I wanted to say. In discussions like this, us fat people, well as a fat person myself, I almost feel as though I am silenced, like I am not allowed to speak. Because in the table of discussion, everyone else is allowed to speak and debate on myself and my fatness. It feels like, fat individuals themselves aren’t even allowed in the discussion. What you’ve explained is everything that was on my head. So thank you. I thought I was insane. We are up for debate but we are not invited. But that’s just for me. Thank you really.
It's insane how anorexia is treated as a mental health issue, but obesity isn't. I gained weight after experiencing SA as a child. Because I gained weight, I was constantly bullied at school and at home. Why the fuck are we talking about personal responsibility when my abusers have never faced consequences for their actions? It's only until this October that I was diagnosed with PTSD, and I still can't stop feeling like it was all my fault. People aren't listening to us. They only listen to these sensationalist fat activists and painting us with a broad stroke. It depresses me.
Thank you, said a big portion of what I was thinking too. Living as a fat person is hard. And to take a small amount of individuals “glorifying” fatness social media doesn’t seem to have the same impact as these huge corporations owning all the medicine, food, agriculture, fitness industry on society as the video claims. Just seems weird that these two things are comparable to have the same ground.
It also makes it seem like the only solution is to make better individual choices… when wasn’t the whole video pointing out systemic causes? Am I gonna make a personal choice in living in the states that has insufficient infrastructure for walking and being car reliant? Or a personal choice that can change health care being super inaccessible? I do agree that changing our perception of health is important and really ask what is truly what we believe or propaganda done by these companies, but it felt a little black and white when coming to a solution or how to view fat people in general.
It felt as though being a fat person in the video was more shown as a spectacle ? And there was no talk on the actual struggles that coming living/existing as a fat individual, only those social media influencers that fit this term “glorifying.” But where was showing the reality and the pain it can cause people other than being overweight? I can’t tell how often my own health issues where left ignored due to my weight, or the social stigma, bullying, self confidence issues, and just being seeing as less than due to my weight. I’m not sure if she could speak from experience of being overweight, but to not talk to a fat individual to gain reference seems just lacking in the nuance of the situation.
You said it better than I could have.
I’m not obese, but I have a metabolic disorder. Without medication, I gain weight and have a harder time losing it. Doesn’t matter how healthy I eat (I’m not a big junk food person and I only drink water/coffee), it’s just a side effect of the disease I have. It fucking sucks that there are people out there who would’ve taken one look at me during my heaviest and think that it was due to a lack of discipline or poor diet.
I’m also critical of the framing of fat acceptance as something that was created by corporations to brainwash people, rather than a concept whose origins go back to the fat liberation movement of the 70s. Fat acceptance as a movement is still pretty niche offline. The main reason corporations use plus size models has more to do with selling a product. They’re able to sell more items if they can reach a diverse audience of people. People see themselves represented, and it makes them more likely to buy. It’s purely a marketing stunt. It’s neither in support of the fat acceptance movement nor a grand conspiracy to turn people fat.
Beauty and health are two different things. I don’t understand why these two subjects are being mixed together so much. You can be unhealthy and beautiful at the same time, because like you say - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But health is more objective than that. Saying someone is unhealthy is not saying they are not beautiful. Not that it’s not ok to not be, or feel, beautiful. Honestly, I think we are just too obsessed with looks overall. There are more important things to be and to strive to be in life.
And the fact they have all the healthy food at least 2x the price is really even more depressing.
comparing extreme eaters to normal endomorph bodies in this video is bizarre. There are perfectly healthy people that arent going to fit into straight size clothing, just due to how their body works, and thats not a small percentage of the population. If it was a video focused on obesity itself itd probably be a good video, but there are simply things someone cant change genetically, if they happen to hold on to weight even if they DO eat healthy and have an active life style, and there's no reason to use that as examples in this... Im someone who is thin but builds muscle insanely fast, simply because thats my genetic makeup. Youre someone thin who doesn't hold onto fat or build muscle, because that's your genetic makeup. This is in poor taste.
I also found that a little shady. You’d see somebody like Nikocado Avocado and then there’d be a plus size model sneaked in there, as if morbid obesity poses the same risks as having a normal waist-to-hip ratio on a bigger frame.
I take issue with her lumping together plus-size models and people who could be on "My 600 lb Life" in the same video. It's insulting. I'm a plus-size model, and quite frankly, I don't think she understands the amount of work that goes into maintaining the physique necessary to do plus-size modelling, especially for high-fashion brands. It involves an active lifestyle, working out regularly, paying meticulous attention to water intake and personal care, and avoiding over-processed foods to maintain a higher muscle-fat ratio and a clear complexion like any other model. It is maintaining a healthy lifestyle but on a larger frame, which is nowhere near the "letting go of discipline" that she lumps everyone in this video to be doing. What a shame. This video had some really good commentary about the issues with the fat-positivity movement, and she ruined it.
@@Ali-yu7qz you're not the only one to notice. I would hope most people can see the difference between someone who is 400lbs and someone who is 160lbs. There is a range for healthy and most of it comes from habits, not just how you look.
things like this are so hard because there are times when you do want to celebrate people gaining weight. it has helped me recover from an ed by making me feel better about eating 3 meals + snack everyday. but they take it too far and people are dying because of it
People can still be sexy and feel good about themselves despite their size.
Yeah like Jesus Christ this girl is obsessed with weight and keeps saying that fat people aren’t beautiful because they aren’t “heathy”. Who cares, you don’t! You don’t care about people’s health you just like skinny people
You definitely missed the point.
@@scarletjems7040 you* definitely missed the point of fat acceptance
@@hell_ohh the point of fat acceptance is to LIE to people that being healthy at every size is possible.
I mean, they can. but acting like it's healthy to be obese? no, stop.
I hate when people glorify an unhealthy weight😢 every time we point it out that it’s not a good thing, then we are called body shamers! You know what’s sick? When people keep pointing out that i am wayyyy to skinny for being 5’2 and 105lbs then glorify obesity 🙄
im literally the same height and weight as u...i agree asw
Right, the only reason they say that your way too skinny is because they feel insecure being their own size and have trouble accepting themselves. Its better to be skinny than obese and can't move around and die early.
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In Memphis, we aren't afraid of calling people straight up fat. Under 5'8" and 150 pounds, but I weld so much more physical labor I have to apply
Same here!!! I’m 105 llb and just under 5’4”. I eat very healthfully and workout 5 days a week. Sleep enough hours and take supplements. But Lord forbid I say one iota about someone else’s weight!! All hell breaks loose. But everyone else can comment on my body.
I wouldn't call depression "a lifestyle driven disease". Many factors contribute to the onset of depression, including genetics, and the therapy for depression (especially when severe) cannot be just "eat healty and exercise in the sun". It much much more serious than that.
That was a hella wild take she had…👀
Yeah that wasn’t her best take. Idk this video overall felt off in a way to me. It’s very black and white.
Beauty does come in all sizes. All HEALTHY sizes. Yes, you can be plus size and healthy, but being obese isn't healthy, shouldn't be called beautiful or be glamorized. You can be healthy but plus size because of how your bones and body is built. But not being able to walk, fit in a car etc isn't healthy or beautiful. (Coming from a size large)
“there’s nothing wrong with fat acceptance”
then there should be nothing wrong with thin acceptance.
well yes, there's nothing wrong with either. no one should hate themselves or feel inherently ugly because of their weight.
@@planetmars444 i agree with you. i dont think either should be a problem.
except thin is already accepted
@@nexithedestroyer i actually meant underweight acceptance, emaciated acceptance. and before you respond, it’s not accepted. most of today’s society thinks it’s “sickly” and “not attractive”.
if we embrace voluntary gluttony, we should also embrace voluntary starvation. we actually shouldn’t do either.
@@44kgangel what you described was the norm for women in the 90's, its especially coming back now. most of society considers being fat is sickly and unattractive as well. both are niether healthy nor should be normalized. "if we embrace gluttony we should also embrace starvation" or maybe niether should be done? lmao.
my country added a sugar tax to unhealthy foods but... why dont they make the expensive healthy foods like fruit and vegetables not also cheaper??
Shop about Aldis and Lidl. Tesco etc. Fruit and veg isn't too expensive.
Overeating is bad, starving yourself is bad. Everyone is gonna be at different sizes when you exercise and eat at a healthy rate, some will be 120 lbs some will be 160 lbs - there’s no cookie cutter weight for everyone. Loving yourself is good, you should no matter your size but you have to acknowledge if you have a problem
I mean as a guy..and being fat it’s awful but..I’m 197..in general for my age I’m not that fat but I got bullied into starving at 10 and I still do and it’s awful and I hate it when people say “just work out” “just don’t eat fast food” Iike it’s not that easy..
people are horrible, i use to go to extremes to loose weight and it was terrible. please, be healthy, and get there in a safe way ❤
I’m so sorry for your experience. It’s indeed not easy at all, i really hope you’ll get more confident and find peace and fuck these people who told u that without consideration 💀
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Thank you so much,Zoe
I feel this so hard omg, when I went through a really bad time last year I was eating a whole cake every 2 or 3 days for a while 🥴
Eating too much and becoming obese, or not eating until one is emaciated, are just different sides of the same coin.
What would a healthy relationship with food look like? That's what I want to see.
I completely agree with you, however as someone with PCOS, even if you’re not overweight, sometimes some of those diabetes drugs are still necessary for things, other than diabetes specifically, if your a woman With a pair of ovaries that work against you
Thinking about doing my next speech for uni on this. Been looking for a good video example that is less hate and more analytical and this was near perfect. Your visuals paired with your articulations/ "well readness" are an amazing combination.
I've never thought you'll touch a subject like that. Thank you for rising the awareness on this topic. From a person like you it is more likely to be heard positively.
It's wild how large companies that are widely known for producing food own so companies in entirely different industries and can influence what they put out.
it's never-ending...just love yourself.
As a overweight girl with PCOS I'll say you guys don't ruin your health by just simply accepting being fat. I'm doing exercises everyday to stay healthy and achieving a healthy weight day by day❤❤ "health is wealth" as they said❤❤
I think it's easy to tell skinny or fat with health versus obesity and skinny fat issues. The body image movement should be promoting real health at all sizes. That means good food and exercise for all.
I am plus size but smaller then people on the video like twice at least, i have small waste and face. But a lot of people in my life trated me like i was twice as big as those people on video, with hate and aggression. Beeing health is really important, but trying to brake people morally because they are not size 0 is a disaster.
Sorry if i have some mistakes, not my native language
I love how balanced yet bold you do commentary. It's rare these days.
People need more self appreciation than acceptance (like you would appreciate someone you care about and do something kind like cooking a yummy balanced meal).
It's something that we need to implement more in our life.
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Thank you for speaking out about this. Without vilifying individuals or oversimplifying the topic. It matters a lot. ❤
I used to weight 191ibs. I lost about 30ibs in a year. I feel stronger, faster, I don't get out of breath. I still want to get to 115/120ibs (I am 5ft). I changed carbs for protein, I cut portions to eating only until full and not past it. I only eat if hungry and not because "it's midday so I have to eat". I consume about 1300 calories a day and have an active job and lifestyle. It changed me so much and has bettered my life and mental health. I loved my obese self, but I love this version of me more. I am a waitress and being able to pick boxes full of dishes without a struggle is a life changer. Fat people must be respected as much as anyone else, but we have to be real. Good luck to everyone going through weight loss, I hope you can achieve your goals and become your best self😊
Thank you so much for making this video and talking about these delusions. It's so hard to speak openly with people on this topic, because everyone is so touchy on the body size or weight topics.
I think there's a difference between glorifying being overweight/obese or just excepting it. We shouldn't be shamed for being overweight but not encouraged to eat unhealthy either. I just think people need to show love and encouragement on people's health journeys instead of mocking them; that will just do the opposite. At the same time complimenting their beauty would be nice as well; but it doesn't mean you're encouraging them to stay fat. For me, I don't really eat too unhealthy, I just have a motivation problem with excersizing, and that is a goal for 2024.
People advertising to women: fat is beautiful!!
people advertising to men: uhh yeah idc if you're skinny or fat
I’m very tired of this delulu madness. Being obese is unhealthy and I’m tired of people calling us “fatphobic” for just having common sense.
We’re nearly 2024 and unhealthy eating habits are now somehow “brave” and worthy of glorification. This is happening because people equate health with worth.
The problem is some of the majority of doctors don’t help “ and say just do a diet and workout” and they just don’t care.
What else should they do?
diet as in starving is useless. but diet with tons of vegetables and non processed food plus workout, it can even be just stretching is a game changer. but yall say whatever to avoid doing something that will for sure benefit you. Victim mentality, that's what yall have. But u do u
@@my-vn8nw a diet ≠ not starving yourself. some people have pcos and diets like the mediterranean diet & keto have worked wonders for people suffering from a gluten intolerance/ insulin resistance. and also, it’s not a “victim mentality” to say people who are trying to lose weight should be better informed. this is a lifestyle change, so if you grow up on an unhealthy one, you’re most likely not gonna automatically have all the best information, meal prep ideas, etc.. try giving out helpful information next time instead of just projecting your negativity onto people & leaving a “>3” in fake support. it’s giving haughtiness.
Yes but you have the internet. Just do the research. There are so many videos and youtubers on here that can help you out. If you truly care then you will have to figure it out for yourself.
@@daideneg do more test to see why you obese I did diet and exercise to the point it stress me out but it wasn't till I told a women doctors what was going on she did more test and came back I have pocs I need to help my insulin level become more sensitive and I was low on iron vitamin d3 and k2 witch helps now I'm down 50pounds and she put me with a naturist and she tuaght me not to diet but eat in moderate and try to replace some of your favorite foods dosent mean stop eating it just know when to stop and mental state is hudge process aswell.
Thank you for bringing this to light! Sometimes it can be so hard to control your weight and eating habits, and trying to lose weight takes a lot of effort and discipline, but seeing over weight friends do nothing to try to be healthier and even justify and defend their size makes me so worried about their long term health :(
Love this video so much!
You said everything that needs to be said.
I also thought the body acceptance movement was about loving yourself but really it’s just a marketing not true self love. The beauty industry has never really had our backs in the first place tho.
I believe in loving yourself no matter what size you are. No one's self image should be thrown away because of their health, but it's failing all of these people to not want them to get better, whether they be severely overweight or underweight.
All bodies are beautiful, but not all bodies are healthy.
From my perspective, body positivity or neutrality shouldn't aim to encourage weight gain. It shouldn't even encourage weight loss. It should only encourage accepting your body as it is right now and not basing your value as a person in what size you are.
Obesity should be discussed as it is a deadly phenomenon, however I do not believe in targeting any individuals. Commenting "you're not healthy" on a fat person's photo is counterproductive. A fat person knows the risks of obesity, just like a smoker knows the risks of smoking, and they still have the right to exist without being judged or told to change.
Also, I would be careful in using "it is a disorder" as an end-all argument. Homosexuality used to be considered a disorder not that long ago. I'm not saying that obesity, which is heavily linked to many diseases, is directly comparable. I'm just pointing out the potential faults in what classifies as a disorder
we should never glorify not looking after yourself, that's all
great content and great work Zoe! So enlightening. From the skinny addition to fat glorification, I think people are basically just moving from one extreme to the other, and that’s just ridiculous. I guess essentially what we truly want is to be accepted as who we are instead of trying to conform ourselves to a certain image, be it skinny or fat. And also like u said, fat acceptance does not and should not be equated with glorifying obesity or unhealthy lifestyles in general. btw congrats on 3mil substitutions, u deserve it and so so so MUCH MORE🎉love u Zoe❤
Thank you making this video! Some people might throw hate to anyone who discusses the topic, but it’s really concerning trend and needs to be spoken about. So thank you 🙏
im scared of american food fr
I love how she’s deadly honest
*perfect* video zoe! thank you
Such an interesting video. Great nuance and you did such a good job emphasizing how this is not fat shaming. It´s a very complicated topic so kudos!
Do you cite your sources anywhere? I would like to do my own research but it appears nothing is in your description or anywhere else I can find
@@I-Think-I-Should-Leave You articulate my feelings exactly. It is unclear to me if she is trying to spark actual dialogue regarding the subject matter. With her rapid posting schedule, these videos can come off as shallow rather than investigative or commutative, and the lack of clear sourcing only accentuates that flaw. Her curt research process, evident in her recent videos, can even come off as callous when the subject matter is particularly sensitive, like in this particular video (the title and her cadence seem very flippant). If she wants to be a cultural commentator or video essayist, transitioning her previous persona as a lifestyle/diet CZcamsr, more care must be given in regards to her research, sourcing, and overall presentation.
@@paige1521its literally not hard to find anything that she is talking about.
I'm subscribing dude, your videos are the only ones that I actually get, and can agree with, and you also teach me a lot
It's even foods that are marketed as healthy that end up being unhealthy and having all of these processed ingredients
This is everything I have been saying to people for a while whenever my gaining weight comes up. I don't feel sexy, I feel sick and tired and depressed. I have an addiction to food and I am trying to heal from that. I am giving up diet coke and the fact that I'm having so much trouble kicking it makes me really uneasy. People have even said "What about health at every size?" to me and I am like "'You aren't listening, I feel terrible, I am not healthy at this weight!" I don't think fat people are ugly, I don't think that I am a bad person for gaining weight or anyone else is, I just hate that I'm having fat acceptance shoved down my throat when I don't agree with it at all. I'm not saying everyone has to be thin, just that to say you are "healthy" while obese is just objectively wrong. I feel like I'm going insane when people tell me I shouldn't worry about my weight so much. It's so demeaning.
eating my nightly puece of chocolate while watching this hahah, but i absolutely loved how you summed it up, because it is so right, and usually when i talk about the issue of how so many companies are intertwined with eathother and that most of the bigger ones actually just want to make us sick, to then profit off of our illnesses, people tell me that i am crazy and delusional and that no company would ever be this cruel. which i think is ridiculous, so i thank you veryverymuch for making this video!
THANK U FOR SAYING IT
I grew up in the fat culture, where my family was in total denial about causing their own obesity. They kept saying it’s just genetics, big bones etc. So as a fat kid I felt hopeless, suicidal etc, (actually attempted when i was 14 and was hospitalized twice for mental health; bc of the fat culture in my family, i felt like being fat shouldnt bother me and i was wrong for being bothered by it, so i didnt even admit it to the doctors)
until at 15 i realized i COULD lose weight, just by eating less. I lost 110 lbs, waited a few years and lost more with anorexia and now im healthy finally, but 25 with loose skin so bad i can never have a normal body without $10k surgery.
I had a cardiac complication of anorexia when i went down to 99lb at 5’7”. I had ventricular tachycardia and they had to shock my heart back and id gone to sleep that night i would have went into cardiac arrest. It was super traumatic and the reason i went so far with my anorexia and weight loss was because i was trying to get the loose skin to go away. I truly blame the fat lifestyle for all the difficulty i faced. But im a social worker now and ive learned food addiction is most common in impoverished families which describes mine bc its an addiction that doesnt cause hangover etc so people can still work… and also a response to CSA which most of my family experienced so i try not to be mad at my family about it.
As pessoas não destroem apenas o planeta, destroem a si mesmas.
Cara isso faz mais sentido cada vez mais
My whole thing with making really unhealthy foods that lead to obesity addictive and wanting consumers to be “fat and happy”… like you’re killing your consumers. Imagine how much MORE money you could make if you made delicious and addictive food HEALTHY, like actually healthy. You’d have lifelong customers for a longer life.
using gina florio as a source when you claim to be a feminist is absolutely wild!!!
I don't think any body or habits should be "glorified" to be honest, overweight, underweight, idealweight, big, small, average, healthy or not. If people are healthy, good for them, if they're not, too bad, regardless it's their life and everyone is gonna have different experiences when it comes to habits.
I hate when people think they should care more about a stranger's habits than they even care about their own.
It's okay, and even necessary to comment about the consequences generally, I just don't agree when people say that others "should be healthy" as if it were an obligation. Them being healthy or not, is literally not gonna affect your life and you're not helping by saying to a stranger "get healthy" when you don't even really care nor know what's going on in their life in the first place.
i'm saying this cause everyone loves saying "healthy is good" and "loving yourself is good" but no one says it is hard and not other's business.
We should love anyone no matter what size they are and support them on their journey to reaching their healthiest. But…. You should recognize when someone is trying their best to be healthy and when people are just glorifying their gluttony and consumerism
This is the best video you've made so far, just WOW! ❤😮
This!: addictive coping mechanism to rising psychological issues. Thanks for saying it, Zoe! I believe being obese, anorexic, alcoholic, etc. is just a symptom for something much deeper. Until people become as they are, they have struggled already so much (maybe even without help) that at some point they just need a pause and let go of everything. Being enough to the own expectations that someone has towards the own persona is mostly the toughest. Sending love to everyone who has a difficult time ❤ it is okay to be just you, even if its not the most ideal version of yourself you aspired to be. No need for perfection.
fat is not healthy but it's not okay to bully fat people either..
Thank you for making a video about this
Thank you for this video!! Very on point! Always good to check who’s benefiting
Hi Zoe I just wanted to say how much I love your content and that you inspire me. ❤
I think many people find it hard to realize how delusional this situation is getting, especially because everyone wants to be "politically correct", and this topic is not talked about enough regardless of the consequences. The comparison with alchoholism you made is spot on.
When I visit my family in the states im always mad of how expensive normal food is (just vegtebales and such), and honestly it dosen't taste that well either...
also "making something from scratch" dosen't mean it's hard. like, girl, you can make panckeces without a premade mix...
Women (and men) need to love themselves in whatever weight they are… but that doesn’t mean they should just be ok with an unhealthy weight. If you love yourself then if you work out (or eat more if you’re underweight) then you can maintain it but if you hate yourself and you’re for example overweight you may start to starve yourself if you have no self confidence which isn’t good.
fat can be beautiful, just like any body size can be. there’s nothing wrong with loving your body at any size. but being obese isn’t healthy. slightly obese? sure, it can still be alright depending on the person. but being overly obese is unhealthy and that’s not up for debate.
The real self-love comes to obese people when they decide to eat healthy and drop weight. Taking care of oneself is the real self-love.
i look just like the girl on the right at 6:21 cause i gained weight after an ed. i still workout everyday and ngl that hurt
don't worry, many other commenters were upset by her lumping in SO MANY body types in this one video. There are obviously many fat people in this video who visibly work out and have a significantly healthier body composition, and she categorized them the same as people who are deathly obese. Heck, she even showed plus-size models in this video, and in this industry, plus-size models work out and follow the very advice that she is touting, including cutting out processed foods. This isn't right, and her take on lumping in your body type here is not a reflection of a lack of effort on your part. Keep trying your best to be the healthiest self you can be. You are doing so well by working out; movement is critical. If you genuinely want to know how to check up on your health or change/maintain your body to where you want it to be, you can talk to a nutritionist, doctor, or personal trainer, not this chick who is coming across as incredibly tone-deaf, citing "lack of discipline" as a blanket statement for everyone in this video which obviously is overly broad and incorrect.
There is some genetics involved, the metabolism rate is genetic, which means some people have faster metabolism and can burn fat faster, which in most cases leads to lower fat%. Then we also have some cases where some people lack the nerve thing that signals to the brain that one is full, to not eat anymore. So there is def some genetics involved
I think there is a range of weights that is okay or healthy while some of these in the range may not consider skinny or fit the beauty standard. If you are bigger or smaller than this, it will risk your health. But I think people still deserve to feel good about themselves whatever size are they and should know what is healthy or not.
Just to add, skinny people also have other companies obsessed with it, for their profit. Two sides of the same coin. What I don’t understand is how you are saying that, they are promoting obesity? I think, that promotion is for EVERYONE. Not only fat but skinny people aswell.
you are living under a rock
@@hygtcvytf I must be. 😫😅🥹🙏💵 send me money to afford a place.
Companies pander to everyone or should i say that there are companies that pander to every culture and sub-cultures
I have never seen much underweight acceptance movement or underweight representation. It's always the people who are relatively on the thinner side or have a healthy weight. And it can't be denied that being in a healthy weight or being a bit skinny is less riskier than being fat, obese or morbidly obese.
@@ihope2504 there doesn't need tp be a moment for something to be promoted. For example in China there are trends where you try to fit into children clothes, put pennies on your collarbone and hide your body behind am A4 sheet of paper.
Also there are modelling agencies with underweight models.
This is kinda related to the video but every time I eat to much I’ll become sick and not want to eat anything
girl you knew what you where doing with the title 😭
This was a great video ❤
Why did this pop up when I was eating
same
sameee lmao im having pho rn😋
I dont care if anyone is fat or not... Its their life... 🤷🏻♀️
i hate this mostly because there are real people out there who STRUGGLE with weight. it runs deep in my family and even i have trouble with it but none of us have EVER glorified it or bought junk food on a daily basis and bragged about it?? most of us just unknowingly ate a little too much at meals and gained it over time not to mention the genetics of insulin resistance. many in my family have learned how to finally get the weight off thanks to fasting, keto, etc. but this video made me want to cry because people could look at the fat people in my family and see these insane influencers who don't know AT ALL what it's like to fight everyday to lose weight and keep it off. they see these influencers and now they continue to think the people in my family order mountains of fast food and consume it ALL on a daily basis. UGH! SHAME ON THEM!
It also includes pride, glorifying self and attention seeking in this social media age. People will do anything to be seen, even if it is harming them.