Seiko SPB455, SPB453, SPB451 - perfecting the formula?
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- It’s often said that evolution can be better than revolution, but I don’t think many people could have predicted Seiko to make a move like this. It was only four years ago that Seiko released their SPB143 and variants to immediate success, basing the design on the original Seiko dive watch from 1965. Now, this new line of SPB watches has rendered them effectively redundant, tweaking the design in subtle ways to retrain its character but improve its performance. Seiko have definitely taken some risks, and time will tell if they pay off.
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Brand - Seiko
Model - Prospex 1965 Heritage Diver’s Watch
Reference Number - SPB455, SPB453, SPB451
Case Dimensions - 40mm (D) x 13mm (T) x 46.4mm (LTL)
Case Material - Stainless steel
Water Resistance - 300 metres
Crystal(s) - Sapphire
Dial - Blue, black or grey and gilt
Strap - Stainless steel bracelet, folding clasp; additional recycled ocean plastic fabric strap (SPB455 only)
Movement - 6R55, in-house, automatic
Power Reserve - 72 hours
Functions - Hours, minutes, seconds, date
Availability - Available now
Price - A$1,995, US$1,300 (SPB453, SPB451), A$2,350, US$1,400 (SPB455)
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I’m totally okay with the date. I prefer it, even find it charming, like a unique quirk. But I want a great on the fly adjustment clasp if they are hiking the price up and up without tightening the accuracy tolerances.
That would make the watch seriously compelling
The new position of the date is perfect. Bravo Seiko. The perfect compromise of symmetry and having a date nevertheless.
I have a steel on steel Tag Heuer Aqua Racer Calibre 5 with blue dial as a daily and I have been on the market for a simple looking, affordable, and decently sized daily diver in black! Could not find any but this one ticks all the boxes! Just ordered it!
Great work as always, Marcus
Your videoshop is so enjoying I just wanna see the watch
I think these look great. Great review Marcus.
Nice looking watches and you generally can't go wrong with Seikos, just wished you had a shot of that other strap on the wrist 😎
Great improvements!!! Blue one is
Love this chanel
Ive owned 2 SPB143.s and never had a problem with the movement only loosing a few seconds a day, the dimensions on these watches look perfect and I can’t wait to see them in the flesh 😍
I've got the sbp 293 save the ocean with the blue birch dial, beautiful watch terrible movement mine gains around+30seconds a day in the box and around half that on the wrist,can see the455 in my collection 😁👍
It’s a must the dimensions are perfect and they all look stunning with probably the 455 the pic of the bunch 😍
I have an SPB 313 and it's extremely accurate. Running at +2 seconds a day.
i think there’s some improvements but I much prefer my 143’s sunray grey dial and brushed bezel and 3:00 date. I also own the sje093 which I love but doesn’t replace my 143. I’m even more grateful I have one now that they’re being replaced.
Looks good I would still prefer the sunburst dial. Also think the price is out there for what it is
Would you be able to comment on the reflection of the crystal in comparison to the older models (e.g., spb143)? Thanks!
Nice video! Btw can this new bracelet be fitted on spb143?
I still want one.
I don’t know if these are available in the USA yet.
I choose SPB453, it is worth owning and handsome
At first I wasn't sure about Seiko's new models either. worried there is an issue like the previous models. last week, I saw this model in a boutique in my place. I tried this watch on there. I'm not sure, this watch is the same as in other boutiques or not. The bracelet is much more comfortable than the older 62 mas. The bezel alignment is also in the right place.
Did seiko really upgraded their product on this model? 😅
Are those prices correct? How does $100 US extra for the special edition equal $350 AU extra??
I prefer the SPB143. It's a classic.
Same. 40.5mm is only just large enough for my 18cm wrist... Any smaller is too small.
I wonder why the gilt and the blue ones have black date window and not the same color as the dial. Imagine a no date version, that would bring this one to (almost) Tudor level.
The grey gilt and navy for me ❤
Has Seiko addressed the horrible fitment of the bracelet to the lugs in previous iteration, in this updated version?
what colour looks best in person?
Tried these on in an AD last week. Somehow they feel significantly more premium. I was seriously debating upgrading from the 147. The new bezel is a big improvement and the case wears so much better even though the changes are small. The dial symmetry really helps too. This thing will absolutely slay as soon as they release the 147 + 143 equivalents
Does wears significantly smaller than spb143?
@@mohnnadmercedes8246 it's not huge but significant enough to make a difference. It's quite easy to tell side by side on the wrist. Everything just feels a bit more well proportioned. Shrinking the font size on the bezel helps as well.
@@pk1342 i own seiko alpinist 38mm non compass one, do you think its suitable for small wrist? Especially the lug to lug is almost identical on the new 453
@@mohnnadmercedes8246 yup the dial is well proportioned for the lug to lug so I think it will look great on Smaller wrists. Mine is 16cm or so and it was perfect.
@@mohnnadmercedes8246 definitely
What size is your wrist for reference?
personally like the old date position
2:12 SPB 543 ? guess this is a mistake?
The black and gold is really nice.
I'll say this again and again...Seiko needs to fire whoever designs their bracelets and clasps.
This bracelet is better but the clasp looks cheap.
Nice. Are endlinks male or female?
What's the song?
hate 6r movement, but im going to make an exception and get this, gonna take a look at black or blue in person before making the decision
My experience with 6R’s has been good, I’ve had 6R15, 6R35, and 6R54 and no issues. I’ve had more issues with SW200’s
These upgrades are amazing and the watches look even better proportioned than their predecessors. How glossy/shiny would you say the 455 gilt is in person? Is it comparable to the SPB147 in terms of looks?
how much
It’s nice but in Australia it’s the best part of 2.5k.
Aluminium bezel insert ? I heard the bezel is in carbon titanium... which is much more durable than aluminium...
I prefer the 143. A future classic. Firstly, I like its dimensions and I definitely don't want a smaller watch. Next, the gray dial and brushed bezel look stunning. Finally, only two micro-adjustments on the clasp of the new watch is pathetic for a diver. I don't care for 300m and smaller links on the bracelet. 143 for me and I will buy a second one for my personnal collection.
Nice piece, cheaper & japanese alternative to blackbay 58!
the blue is my, but i will will see the special when i choice
Impressive. Very nice. Lets see Paul Allen's Seiko watch.
The 3 days text is an absolute turkey 🦃 would have massively preferred they stuck with the 6R35 and kept that neat pyramid of text under the pinion
The 3 days text bashing is getting annoying, basically every new single mid tier Prospex and Presage will have the text, we have to get over it , it is not worst than the original text Dialshock 24 jewels
Overall very nice. BUT, I won't own another Seiko Prospex until they update their clasp and get rid of that damn diver extension and replace it with one that looks, functions, and wears a lot better and looks worthy to be on a premium $1k
I want to like seiko watches, but the bracelets and clasp like you mentioned just ruin it for me. Idk how I feel about an aluminum bezel as well. Overall very nice, but don’t think I’ll be spending my money with seikos watches until the clasps and bracelets get updated
@@josephcastillo6742 regarding the bezel. I personally like an aluminum or steel bezel over ceramic. I know less scratch proof. I would say they are not necessarily less durable. Ceramic can crack where as metal may get dented, but it should still hold. In either scenarios, if watch bezel insert takes hard enough impact to crack the ceramic or dent a metal one, it won't be a good thing. But, the finish of a metal insert looks better to me, too.
Well said!! They make the worst bracelets and clasps yet charge $1400!! Then they’ll put this clasp on their Grand Seiko and charge $10K!! Lol 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@dukes70 microbrands give you so much for your money. It’s kind of hard to go the seiko route. Seikos do have some of the most beautiful dials though
you’re literally my comfort person i love you #nkuwan !
Seiko doesn’t listen to its customers, if they did, they would regulate their movements, sign the crown and improve their quality control
😂 are you sure they didn’t want an unnecessary update release with a 4.30 date and 3 days on the dial?
They do listen and did all three of those things with the SLA 043. It'll cost you though.... 😃
Actually more
Disappointed that the current update of the MarineMaster only has 200m of water resistance when compared to these models.
Do you want to dive that deep ? This is ridiculous
Professional desk diver
The date looks ridiculous they should have just ditched it all together
Seiko: we made a great watch case and made the dimensions perfect for an everyday wear watch. Also Seiko: let’s top it off with an aluminum bezel and a 3hz unregulated movement then charge 1,000+ dollars for it!
Seriously, you can’t even be bothered to slap a ceramic bezel and tune up the movement for that money. Modern Seiko is just loosing my business.
GREAT watch except for the movement. I have the SPB147. Came from the factory running +30 spd
I have this one too, it runs + 20s per day
I have the GMT version, 6R54, runs around +8s/d
This is not the same movement , this is the new 6R55
I have this to, it’s runs at + 20 per day, not good enough given what they cost
Skx013 is still the king of midsize diver
Looks like a Tudor Watch.
cmon, -15/+25 seconds per day and they ask €1.600 for this watch...
Bezel insert should be ceramic
I tend to dislike the 4:30 date window particularly because the numbers arent aligned with the wearer's eye and if the shape of the window matches the indicies it's pretty awful. Having it like this or like B&R do it is as good as it gets.
For me it ruins the watch. I wouldn't wear this watch even if given to me for free because the 4.30 date window is so horrible
@@TheAlbert12397 Fair enough. There's a lot of choices to be had. Personally I'm not in the market for more divers so that's why I'm out. I could still understand someone liking this.
I don't buy a watch without a date. This is a seiko knock out
I seriously hope that it’s a 120 click bezel and the offset (read: misaligned) pip on the 455 shot at 2:46 is just one click offset and not the real watch as it shipped…
It is. Reviewers "misalign" them to get hits and comments
I like these. Don’t like the price.
seiko black bay?
No. Hands, Indexes, proportions, crown guards and so on are all totally different.
Still with no signed crown, why?
I don't see these at 1300 plus tax USD. 700-800 at most.
I guess the reality is different than what you see
Non replaceable crown tube 😞
is there a cheaper alternative to this style ? Under 500 dollar. From Seiko 5 series perhaps ?
There will be SRPK99K1 soon. There are SRPD51K1, SRPD55K1, SRPD57K1, SRPD65K1. But to be honest, nothing is close enough, as those are seiko 5s, with different braclet, different finishing, different movement. They are not 62mas remakes. Usually these are sold with 4r36 (day+ date). 4r36's accuracy is -35/+45 seconds per day, hovewer they are more accurate. PR is 41 hours, wr is only 100m. 6r55 is -15/+25 seconds per day, with 72 hours power reserve. You might want try spb147J1, cheaper than new 62mas versions. With 6r35 movement.
@@szurrogatum Thank you for your advice. I'm curious too about the Orient Kamasu and Ray watches. How do they stand up against the Seiko 5's ?
@@tebetmania Seiko 5s are not real diver watches, I would say they are diver style watches. Orient Kamasu/Mako are better as diver watches. Seiko 5 has usually 100m water resistance, Kamasu has 200m. Kamasu has sapphire, that is much better. The movemenet is F6922, with ~40 hours power reserve, accuracy is -15/+25 seconds/ day. Bezel is good compared to its price, finishing is good compared to price, movement is good compared to price, sapphire is a huge advantage. Screw down crown. The bracelet can be the the issue, but probably better than seiko 5s entry level bracelets. I would chose Orient Kamasu over Seiko 5. But I wouldn't say they look like 62Mas. Kamasu has day and date, the hands are different, and of course the finishing is also different etc. etc.. Orient Kamasu is a good, cheaper, entry level diver. In most of the cases better than Seiko 5. Try one newer version with sapphire crystal, you get good value for your money. (There were a lot of Mako versions in the past)
But never forget these are automatic watches. If you don't have an automatic watch there are things you need to consider. The accuracy of a quartz watch is better, you can put down a quartz for days and they won't stop. Usually automatic watches are thicker, especially divers.
I beleive there are two options: you can buy an Orient, or you save money and buy a more expensive watch. There are microbrands out there (Christopher Ward, Baltic), there are the Seiko prospex watches, there are Seiko turtle or Samurai watches (look different, the case style is different than 62MAS). And there are brands like Certina or Mido.
In the Orient Kamasu price range Kamasu is a very good watch or can be the best.
@@tebetmania Roughly similar, maybe a hair "nicer".
The 62MAS has a very compact case. Not sure i like the clipping of the lugs to make it shorter. Probably staying with the SPB143.
Why can't seiko put a higher beat movement for a watch that cost more than 1k? it's a real shame.
What's the cost pls.?
Bottom of the chart shown at 2:27
@@UltraDougOh yes tk u very much 👍
I hope they made this movement better. The 6r35 is a dog
Hey Seiko!!! It’s a dive watch we don’t need a date.
this
Yes we do.
What if you needed to sign a contract underwater ?
@@westcoast.s5 imagine you are diving for two days and not sure what date it is, but your watch saves you!
Background music is too loud.
That black date disc on the blue dial is a joke.
Is the misaligned bezel part of what makes the special edition “special”?
I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!
Why isn’t the second hand moving in any of this footage?
It’s a dummy movement for press footage
Cheaper than sending the real thing to all the content creators
I’d pay $500 for it.
they still cant sign a god-damn crown tho!
They don’t sign the prospex crown , get over it ,this is getting annoying , 🥱🥱
If the date comes with Cyclops glass. My goodness!!!
The bezel looks thick now with smaller diameter.
Why Seiko always put date on a diver style watch?
some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder?
I've been wanting the 62mas reissue, but I couldn't bringyself to pay $1,000+ for that godawful movement, after a bad experience with my Willard. That blue has me sold
Not the same movement though
Picked up my SPB 143 JDM for $900. Great daily if you live and play on\in the water. Looks better with a few dings and scratches.
Still though, only fair-to-middling movement.
I love 4.5 date. But if it was square
The 4.5 date window utterly ruins this watch for me. Other than date window this is great looking watch. I hate 4.5 window so much I wouldn't wear this watch even if it was given to me for free
@TheAlbert12397 I prefer 4.5 date, and all the indices. It's funny how such a small thing is important. And so many opinions.
I don’t know how the damn Japanese just can’t figure out that X symbol and date is ULTRA LAME. This thing would be absolute beast mode without those 2 present. What an abismal failure!! Man the potential.
Honestly this appears to just be a marketing video.
6L37 or nothing
You know what could make this watch perfect? No date and just remove the silly "3 DAYS" text on the dial
They could've just gotten rid of that stupid power reserve line, move the text up, maybe shave a tiny little bit off of the hour marker at 6 o clock and put the date window there.
This is just terrible, not only is the date too small, it's also in the worst possible spot, in my opinion.
@@JowcoI And I don't care that you don't care. I'm just voicing my opinion, deal with it. 🤷🏼♂️
4.30 date window is the strangest
Very nice watch but I require a quartz version.
Terrible read of the script. But good info though!
Their clasp system is horrible too
Clasp is outdated
Sad, I think they missed the mark. The thickness of the original was the achilles heel. The height + angular design made it wear awkward. Not shaving off more in favor of increased water resistance was a weird choice. (Context: Previous Spb143 owner)
Black Bay or Pelagos? Well, the clasp is awful!! I want to buy this, but this clasp...
that 3 days text on dial is so f ugly. why would they put that there
The date and text ruins it. Also, it didn’t need to be smaller the spb143 sits on the wrist perfectly. New designs don’t perfect anything, they detract from an already great design.
Date window sucks
Doesn’t matter if the movement is a 6r which is a big load of crap
"Automatic 3 Days" is rather tacky. ...Gimmicky, maybe. Definitely undesirable.
I agree
I have it on my MM200 GMT, and while I would definitely prefer it not be there, the text is really small in person so I don’t notice very often
Bullshit, the original text was Dialshock 24 jewels , are you going to shit on it as well ? Get over the text it won’t move
@@JowcoI I will not get over it. The text is still undesirable. It is ugly and gimmicky. I will shit on it.
Ruined date window
F seiko
The main issue for me is the size of the watch. Love the design and history but next to my turtles which I have worn for up to 30 years it just looks like a ladies watch on my wrist.
No matter how hard I try I can’t get past how weak it looks next to a turtle.
Make a slightly bigger one next time round.
Amazing watch, but I still don’t trust the movement. So unreliable.
What's so unreliable about it?
It's all over the place. I have so many watches with the 6r movements so I can attest but I keep buying them anyway. @@marioorozco6635
@@marioorozco6635 Nothing's unreliable about it. I have one and it runs in the same category of accuracy as my watches with ETA or Sellita movements, and probably a bit better than my Miyota-based watches.
I trust it with my life . Kidding don’t care about accuracy 😂
It's 1200 euro ? Too much
Smaller, bolder, better… and way more expensive. What better way to indoctrinate a bunch of new Seiko fanboys?