The SJE and SLA line is more than good enough to go toe-toe with Longines/Doxa and the SPB line can compete pretty well against longines. Although the spb line doesn't offer cosc accuracy like mido Seiko makes up in other areas with superior design/ dials, finishing, ergonomics etc
I'm very interested in this line from Seiko, but I have doubts as to the accuracy of the 6R55. The previous iterations of the 6R movements can be erratic at best, which suggests that less emphasis placed on power reserve and more placed on timekeeping at this point would be a better strategy. And on-the-fly adjustment is an absolute must for all brands going forward.
Just a note: seiko has multiple 62mas reissues. I think it would be helpful to use the actual model numbers when you’re comparing it to previous watches
I have the first gen spb147j1 without the lume plot at 3 and I’d be hard pressed to update it. It’s the old mustang problem, get the four cylinder or the six but it still looks the same. I like the 6r35 movement, the 70 hour power reserve, and I put it on an uncle Seiko bracelet and it’s pretty well the best Seiko I have in my watchbox. Not sure if I’d get this to basically have the date window at the 4:30.
I hope the movement has been further refined as the 6r35 is and was such a hit and miss in terms of accuracy and consistency at least in my opinion compared to the 4r series. The skx ran 20 plus years without a facelif though :D
I think these look fantastic. I love the refinements they made, but of course a quick adjust clasp would always be welcome. I sincerely hope Seiko is working on engineering one right now. The shade of blue offered is excellent. I was previously tempted by the SPB297 with the blue textured dial and black bezel, but this may be better. I've been hoping Tudor would come out with a blue Pelagos 39 or a blue version of the new Black Bay 41 diver, but they keep disappointing. I may just get this Seiko instead, as I've been itching for a blue diver for a couple years.
i’ll be looking to get one of these pieces half price through my workplace. it’ll be my first automatic watch. i’m buzzing! for ~£600 i don’t think i can go wrong!
This tier of seiko is stuck in a hard spot price wise. The 1k to 2k watch market has really become challenging. You either want name recognition, in which case youd probably just go up higher and get tudor or you stay below 1k and get a better quality microbrand. i also agree that seiko needs to upgrade to on the fly with everyone else doing it now.
I like this offering. However seeing the decline in Seiko over the last few years, makes me nervous. Their prices go up and their QC continues to disappoint. I would be nervous spending over 1K for what I know is going to be a mediocre bracelet, sub par clasp, and very high chance of alignment issues. I expect Seiko will find people demand more than an offering of brand history, when spending over the 1K price point.
For real! Well said 👏. I just sold my Prospex GMT diver LE. Paid $1700 out the door. That was my most expensive seiko ever. I guess I was expecting a $1700 watch. OK, sure, in house movement. What good is an house movement when it consistently lost 25 seconds per day? The crown movement and setting felt just like the cheap $300 prospex models. You know? That seiko "cheap" crown feeling. It did look great, but at the end of the day, I realized there was nothing in terms of quality/fit/finish separating the $1700 GMT diver from a $500 king turtle or samurai. I have since moved on from it...
Seikos numbers are going up again since 2017, each year is financially better than the year before. Why should they change their strategy? Also QC got waaaaay better.
You’re tripping if you think Seiko is declining. They’re getting more popular & their status is going upmarket, no matter the whining & crying from certain people. More and more people are choosing SPB Seikos vs entry level Swiss now(Tissot, Hamilton)..
Looks great, but price is nuts. No micro adjust to add insult to injury. Citizen, Orient, San Martin, Islander, Erebus etc take my money for similar spec for a third to a fifth of the cost. They will probably be better aligned and calibrated
Nice watch and some good improvements. One regression however...I personally hate the 4:30 date window. It is a stain on an otherwise very clean dial. Also, I am into dive watches that are quartz but still with old school dive watch aesthetic. I dislike mechanical movements, an antithetic view to watch fairy collectors...due to their inaccuracy and maybe because I am a mechanical engineer who have owned too many Seiko's with inaccurate movements and see them for what they are. Btw, one of my very favorite Seiko dive watches that I own and will never sell speaking of 300m, is the Seiko Tuna Sbbn033 with Stainless bezel which you can find in nice shape for $1100 or so used with domed Hardless which has more character than the flat Sapphire more recent Tuna. The Tuna has a more tool sporty vibe compared this most recent reimagination of the MAS
I have a soft spot for these... They look amazing. But, let's be real: You get better bracelets from Christopher Ward. The date window is a joke. And that weird 'X' logo just ruins the dial. Come on Seiko, you could do so much better.
I like some of the changes to this watch: smaller size, like the new date and the improved bracelet. Unfortunately the downsides are the cheap aluminum insert (the SPB143 had a nicer brushed steel insert) and no grey sunburst dial available (yet). Wish they had done a matte brushed ceramic insert. I would have then sold my SPB143 to get one.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda I could care less what Tudor has. Besides, Tudor has ceramic on the Pelagos too. Aluminum inserts scratch very easily. Ceramic doesn’t fade or scratch; it’s very durable. The only advantages of aluminum are that you can colour match it perfectly and it’s inexpensive to replace (except on a Seiko where you have to buy the whole bezel and insert together for $200). I’ll take ceramic over aluminum inserts any day of the week hence why most of the divers in my collection have ceramic inserts.
My take on this is Seiko were (past tense) great watch designers; 62MAS, 6105, Alpinist. Visually simply fantastic. Four + decades later it is now homaging itself for lack of any original thinking. The 6R55 is still dragging itself along at 3Hz, the pin’n’collar low-rent bracelet with its nasty 1990s clasp is really subpar in 2024, case finishing is meh, and this festival of mediocrity is priced at $1300 😳 Not too crazy??? It probably costs
I love the history of seiko and have many in my collection. But they are smoking crack asking $1500 for a watch where the chapter ring or bezel doesn’t line up and you get no on the fly clasp adjustment…. Utter lunacy…
But not with this new 62 mas. I already tried this watch in AD. The bracelet is much more comfortable compared to the old 62 mas. The bezel alignment is also in the right place. Seiko really upgraded their product on this model
Once again no on the fly micro adjustment clasp !! I just bought a Certina DS 80 with a Ceramic bezel,200m WR and a great on the fly micro adjustment clasp for £750 uk !! Come on Seiko get your act together !!!
How does it differ from the Spb143? Which is 40.5 mm, which I bought for $650 on the Grey market I do love the SPB495 though, still unsure whether the bracelet suits this style. I usually put it on a leather nato or sail cloth
Most MicroBrands do now and brands like Citizen Longines (slightly more expensive) have made a clasp with a diver extension that can be used for micro adjust... Thanks for the comment!
@@WatchChris Micro brands can't compete at this price point due to economy of scale which is why swiss and japanese big brands dominate like Tissot, Seiko, Citizen, Mido, etc... and none of them have on the fly micro adjust as far as I know. Which citizen does? Also longines is like more than double the price
These watches are $2000 AUD in Australia. Great looking watches but the type of QC appropriate for a $300 watch. A watch has 2 jobs. Look good and keep the time. The accuracy of these movements isn’t good enough for a $2000 watch.
Wow 72 hours of power reserve thanks Seiko now I can observe my $1500 watch lose 25 seconds per day for longer without winding it. Not in a million years I’ll never buy another Seiko this former fanboy is done with them.
I stumbled upon the previous model of this watch so many times and was so close to pulling the trigger. And I always realized that the visual difference between the watch itself and the bracelet is so drastic I just could not look at the watch and not notice / hate it. It feels like they took some random bracelet from another watch and used it here to cut down the costs. For me it is ruining the estethics of this watch completely.
Ok, they are over priced. 300 mm dive watch, 1400 USD , although they are good looking. My newly Tissot Seastar 1000 , 3oo m, is under 1000 USD. With Swiss Powermatic 80 movement. Love it.
It's ok... Still too thick and too top heavy. That's the number one problem for this watch. Plus old bracelet and that date windows good Lord just get rid of it. Additionally quite a high price increase. The extra 100 m of water resistance up to 300 m is completely unnecessary I'd rather go down and have less thickness and weight
I bought a "62 re-issue" in 2022. I made the mistake of ordering online, instead of having a look at it first. It arrived with a misaligned bezel. At that price it was completely unacceptable. I returned it, and got a Rado Captain Cook instead. Stay away from Seiko's above $500 is the lesson I take from this.
I just want the Bezel to align 😅. Aesthetically the watch looks great, the real Goldilocks zone in terms of size and wear. I just really pray the QC is on par because the design is gorgeous.
Are men becoming smaller,i dont know,every seiko i tried looks small on my wrist and i am not a big man,yes i do train so wrist is a litle bit biger,but nothing crazy,i tried recently gmt seiko the new 68 reissue ones and they look small on me and the dial is small a cant see the damn thing...
Seiko tends to wear a bit small for their size with relatively short lug-to-lug dimensions for a given diameter; 42mm wears like 40mm, 40mm wears like 38mm, etc. 6.25"-7.25" circumference is common wrist size range for most men. Historically, case sizes for men's watches tended to fall between 34mm-38mm, with 40mm being considered "large." Case sizes ballooned to oversized proportions with 42mm-47mm becoming relatively common by the 00's, and since the 10's sizes have been shrinking back down to more classic proportions that actually fit most men's wrists without looking like a helicopter landing pad.
Still using the same bracelet as the last version that doesnt fit properly and doesnt really match the endlink opening..and STILL no on the fly adjust. JFC when are yall gonna stop giving Seiko your hard earned money for this nonsense??? Overpriced for what you get, its why i ended my affair with them
I bought this popular video watch from mamacoo , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
you are about 3 months late to this news , could've just waited for it to hit stores in June and made a review instead of a very late Seiko release news coverage.
Unregulated 6R series movement is a cruel joke on anything over $700. QC issues you wouldn't see on a $250 AliExpress knockoff. Today's Seiko is completely out to lunch when they're starting to ask Longines money for the same stuff they've been making at half that price for a decade. I'll build my own 62MAS with reproduction parts and an NH35 of Seiko wants to insult its customers so badly, or better yet, I'll grab an Islander Northport for a bit more charisma and QC at the price Seiko _should_ be selling a 62MAS at.
Love the new date window. I was never a fan when they put the lume plot on the chapter ring to the right of the previous date.
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I love Seiko, but at this price point I don't know that they can command this price with the competition out there, like Doxa, Mido, Longines etc.
The SJE and SLA line is more than good enough to go toe-toe with Longines/Doxa and the SPB line can compete pretty well against longines. Although the spb line doesn't offer cosc accuracy like mido Seiko makes up in other areas with superior design/ dials, finishing, ergonomics etc
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So true
I've a spb147 and a longines and my Seiko watch gets more wrist time although the movement is crap haha 👍
How many variations of the 62MAS can Seiko milk their customers for? With increasing prices and poor QC this is gonna be a No MAS for me.
I would love if Seiko would make this watch without so much font and remove the date window all together to simplify things
Kinda reminds me of something I would like to see from Seiko, a new interpretation of SPORK
I'm very interested in this line from Seiko, but I have doubts as to the accuracy of the 6R55. The previous iterations of the 6R movements can be erratic at best, which suggests that less emphasis placed on power reserve and more placed on timekeeping at this point would be a better strategy. And on-the-fly adjustment is an absolute must for all brands going forward.
Just a note: seiko has multiple 62mas reissues. I think it would be helpful to use the actual model numbers when you’re comparing it to previous watches
I have the first gen spb147j1 without the lume plot at 3 and I’d be hard pressed to update it. It’s the old mustang problem, get the four cylinder or the six but it still looks the same. I like the 6r35 movement, the 70 hour power reserve, and I put it on an uncle Seiko bracelet and it’s pretty well the best Seiko I have in my watchbox. Not sure if I’d get this to basically have the date window at the 4:30.
I hope the movement has been further refined as the 6r35 is and was such a hit and miss in terms of accuracy and consistency at least in my opinion compared to the 4r series. The skx ran 20 plus years without a facelif though :D
should be getting an 8L
for $1400 like back in the day
I think these look fantastic. I love the refinements they made, but of course a quick adjust clasp would always be welcome. I sincerely hope Seiko is working on engineering one right now. The shade of blue offered is excellent. I was previously tempted by the SPB297 with the blue textured dial and black bezel, but this may be better. I've been hoping Tudor would come out with a blue Pelagos 39 or a blue version of the new Black Bay 41 diver, but they keep disappointing. I may just get this Seiko instead, as I've been itching for a blue diver for a couple years.
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Looks nice but the accuracy is horrible with +•25 seconds per day. Still worth a buy in aftermarket under $1k maybe
You can already buy them on Chrono 24 for about $1100 Brand new - import from Japan though so need to consider taxes
Usually the accuracy is much better.
i’ll be looking to get one of these pieces half price through my workplace. it’ll be my first automatic watch. i’m buzzing! for ~£600 i don’t think i can go wrong!
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This tier of seiko is stuck in a hard spot price wise. The 1k to 2k watch market has really become challenging. You either want name recognition, in which case youd probably just go up higher and get tudor or you stay below 1k and get a better quality microbrand. i also agree that seiko needs to upgrade to on the fly with everyone else doing it now.
Great point Thanks for the comment!
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It makes me feel look for reasons to buy but the new Seamaster is also a consideration......
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I like this offering. However seeing the decline in Seiko over the last few years, makes me nervous. Their prices go up and their QC continues to disappoint. I would be nervous spending over 1K for what I know is going to be a mediocre bracelet, sub par clasp, and very high chance of alignment issues. I expect Seiko will find people demand more than an offering of brand history, when spending over the 1K price point.
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For real! Well said 👏. I just sold my Prospex GMT diver LE. Paid $1700 out the door. That was my most expensive seiko ever. I guess I was expecting a $1700 watch. OK, sure, in house movement. What good is an house movement when it consistently lost 25 seconds per day? The crown movement and setting felt just like the cheap $300 prospex models. You know? That seiko "cheap" crown feeling. It did look great, but at the end of the day, I realized there was nothing in terms of quality/fit/finish separating the $1700 GMT diver from a $500 king turtle or samurai. I have since moved on from it...
Seikos numbers are going up again since 2017, each year is financially better than the year before. Why should they change their strategy? Also QC got waaaaay better.
You’re tripping if you think Seiko is declining. They’re getting more popular & their status is going upmarket, no matter the whining & crying from certain people. More and more people are choosing SPB Seikos vs entry level Swiss now(Tissot, Hamilton)..
@@psyteo3130 if you are a $500 price point or under, maybe. 1K or over there are far better options. Christopher Ward, etc…
$1300 for a seiko is insane, and I love seiko
Prices keep creeping up! Thanks for the comment!
The new normal
Looks great, but price is nuts. No micro adjust to add insult to injury. Citizen, Orient, San Martin, Islander, Erebus etc take my money for similar spec for a third to a fifth of the cost.
They will probably be better aligned and calibrated
Nice watch and some good improvements. One regression however...I personally hate the 4:30 date window. It is a stain on an otherwise very clean dial. Also, I am into dive watches that are quartz but still with old school dive watch aesthetic. I dislike mechanical movements, an antithetic view to watch fairy collectors...due to their inaccuracy and maybe because I am a mechanical engineer who have owned too many Seiko's with inaccurate movements and see them for what they are.
Btw, one of my very favorite Seiko dive watches that I own and will never sell speaking of 300m, is the Seiko Tuna Sbbn033 with Stainless bezel which you can find in nice shape for $1100 or so used with domed Hardless which has more character than the flat Sapphire more recent Tuna. The Tuna has a more tool sporty vibe compared this most recent reimagination of the MAS
Thanks for the comment!
hate is a big word, it is a watch man...
I have a soft spot for these... They look amazing. But, let's be real: You get better bracelets from Christopher Ward. The date window is a joke. And that weird 'X' logo just ruins the dial. Come on Seiko, you could do so much better.
I like some of the changes to this watch: smaller size, like the new date and the improved bracelet. Unfortunately the downsides are the cheap aluminum insert (the SPB143 had a nicer brushed steel insert) and no grey sunburst dial available (yet). Wish they had done a matte brushed ceramic insert. I would have then sold my SPB143 to get one.
Even Tudor has aluminum.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda I could care less what Tudor has. Besides, Tudor has ceramic on the Pelagos too. Aluminum inserts scratch very easily. Ceramic doesn’t fade or scratch; it’s very durable. The only advantages of aluminum are that you can colour match it perfectly and it’s inexpensive to replace (except on a Seiko where you have to buy the whole bezel and insert together for $200). I’ll take ceramic over aluminum inserts any day of the week hence why most of the divers in my collection have ceramic inserts.
Even Tudor is still on 200 m WR. 😅
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Great review! It's a beautiful watch, but I don't like the date location; I'll stick with my 143.
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My take on this is Seiko were (past tense) great watch designers; 62MAS, 6105, Alpinist. Visually simply fantastic. Four + decades later it is now homaging itself for lack of any original thinking. The 6R55 is still dragging itself along at 3Hz, the pin’n’collar low-rent bracelet with its nasty 1990s clasp is really subpar in 2024, case finishing is meh, and this festival of mediocrity is priced at $1300 😳 Not too crazy??? It probably costs
I love the history of seiko and have many in my collection. But they are smoking crack asking $1500 for a watch where the chapter ring or bezel doesn’t line up and you get no on the fly clasp adjustment…. Utter lunacy…
But not with this new 62 mas. I already tried this watch in AD. The bracelet is much more comfortable compared to the old 62 mas. The bezel alignment is also in the right place. Seiko really upgraded their product on this model
This is a homerun for Seiko !
Once again no on the fly micro adjustment clasp !!
I just bought a Certina DS 80 with a Ceramic bezel,200m WR and a great on the fly micro adjustment clasp for £750 uk !!
Come on Seiko get your act together !!!
How does it differ from the Spb143? Which is 40.5 mm, which I bought for $650 on the Grey market
I do love the SPB495 though, still unsure whether the bracelet suits this style. I usually put it on a leather nato or sail cloth
There are some slight updates to the case and bracelet, biggest changes are the water resistance and the 6R55 Thanks for the comment!
So it has a butterfly clasp?
Thanks Chris & Seiko for this new Dress Diver review.
My pleasure! Thanks for the comment!
Besides mido who does on the fly micro adjust at this price point? Doxa doesn't and they're the best in this bracket (terrible bracelet honestly)
Most MicroBrands do now and brands like Citizen Longines (slightly more expensive) have made a clasp with a diver extension that can be used for micro adjust... Thanks for the comment!
@@WatchChris Micro brands can't compete at this price point due to economy of scale which is why swiss and japanese big brands dominate like Tissot, Seiko, Citizen, Mido, etc... and none of them have on the fly micro adjust as far as I know. Which citizen does? Also longines is like more than double the price
@@user-tx4wj7qk4t Christopher Ward has micro adjustments. Many others do who are under 1K.
Citizen's Atessa series does.
Way too expensive compared to the competition
nice video!
Thanks!
I like a 4:30 date window best…
Why everyone bashing the movement?
This isn't a bad watch, but for $1300 I'll be looking for a Swiss brand.
I AGREE
Seiko, please No Mas!
These watches are $2000 AUD in Australia. Great looking watches but the type of QC appropriate for a $300 watch. A watch has 2 jobs. Look good and keep the time. The accuracy of these movements isn’t good enough for a $2000 watch.
Wow 72 hours of power reserve thanks Seiko now I can observe my $1500 watch lose 25 seconds per day for longer without winding it. Not in a million years I’ll never buy another Seiko this former fanboy is done with them.
I stumbled upon the previous model of this watch so many times and was so close to pulling the trigger. And I always realized that the visual difference between the watch itself and the bracelet is so drastic I just could not look at the watch and not notice / hate it. It feels like they took some random bracelet from another watch and used it here to cut down the costs. For me it is ruining the estethics of this watch completely.
Looks like a Tudor Watch.
Ok, they are over priced. 300 mm dive watch, 1400 USD , although they are good looking. My newly Tissot Seastar 1000 , 3oo m, is under 1000 USD. With Swiss Powermatic 80 movement. Love it.
Other than serviceability of the Powermatic 80 and plastics parts in it, I totally agree. I have a seastar also.
It's ok... Still too thick and too top heavy. That's the number one problem for this watch. Plus old bracelet and that date windows good Lord just get rid of it. Additionally quite a high price increase.
The extra 100 m of water resistance up to 300 m is completely unnecessary I'd rather go down and have less thickness and weight
I bought a "62 re-issue" in 2022. I made the mistake of ordering online, instead of having a look at it first. It arrived with a misaligned bezel. At that price it was completely unacceptable. I returned it, and got a Rado Captain Cook instead. Stay away from Seiko's above $500 is the lesson I take from this.
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I just want the Bezel to align 😅. Aesthetically the watch looks great, the real Goldilocks zone in terms of size and wear. I just really pray the QC is on par because the design is gorgeous.
4:30 date is ugly .
BB killer for sure
Still overpriced and QC will be hit and miss, no signed crown, it’s a pass from me.
Wasn’t the 62MAS a 37mm watch?
Renders look great, but not for me.
Are men becoming smaller,i dont know,every seiko i tried looks small on my wrist and i am not a big man,yes i do train so wrist is a litle bit biger,but nothing crazy,i tried recently gmt seiko the new 68 reissue ones and they look small on me and the dial is small a cant see the damn thing...
@karicdarko maybe take a look at Aragon watches. vast selection, awesome bang for your buck, and most are in the 45mm or 50mm size
Seiko tends to wear a bit small for their size with relatively short lug-to-lug dimensions for a given diameter; 42mm wears like 40mm, 40mm wears like 38mm, etc.
6.25"-7.25" circumference is common wrist size range for most men. Historically, case sizes for men's watches tended to fall between 34mm-38mm, with 40mm being considered "large." Case sizes ballooned to oversized proportions with 42mm-47mm becoming relatively common by the 00's, and since the 10's sizes have been shrinking back down to more classic proportions that actually fit most men's wrists without looking like a helicopter landing pad.
@@waffle911 execatly,so thats why i wonder how small are these men
There’s always something that pisses me off 🥴and this time it’s the date ☹️🤢🤮
Why so stern? What's so serious? Where's the joy?
Too small. Joke size actually.
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didnt know us children need to know its a 3 day automatic...??? Brother ewwww whats that?!!!
Still using the same bracelet as the last version that doesnt fit properly and doesnt really match the endlink opening..and STILL no on the fly adjust. JFC when are yall gonna stop giving Seiko your hard earned money for this nonsense??? Overpriced for what you get, its why i ended my affair with them
Couldn't agree more, not a fan. I'd rather a San Martin.
Just overpriced with their new models yet design is almost the same by just adding limited edition
I bought this popular video watch from mamacoo , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
you are about 3 months late to this news , could've just waited for it to hit stores in June and made a review instead of a very late Seiko release news coverage.
Unregulated 6R series movement is a cruel joke on anything over $700. QC issues you wouldn't see on a $250 AliExpress knockoff. Today's Seiko is completely out to lunch when they're starting to ask Longines money for the same stuff they've been making at half that price for a decade. I'll build my own 62MAS with reproduction parts and an NH35 of Seiko wants to insult its customers so badly, or better yet, I'll grab an Islander Northport for a bit more charisma and QC at the price Seiko _should_ be selling a 62MAS at.
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