Why the Tyrell Family is Hiding in House of the dragon
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The whole point of the Tyrell's is the swing vote, they were never supposed to be main players, but they survive and remain strong as the house with the largest army, the most fertile land and all the supplies. It all made sense by ASOIF.
As Margaery states back in Season 2 (when GOT was good): "We returned to Highgarden to manage the affairs of the Reach as we had for thousands of years... and will for a thousand more. Other great houses take lions and wolves for sigils and draw their power from the gold in the mountains or the cold of their winters, BUT MOUNTAINS RUN DRY, WINTER YIELDS TO SPRING... AND THE ROSE BLOOMS ONCE MORE
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I laughed out loud reading Fire and Blood when The Greens called for the Tyrells to help and The Lady of The Reach was like “I would but I’m a just a mere woman…” 😂🤣🤣 that’s some Olenna level shade. Im paraphrasing btw.
The women of House Tyrell often seemed to get the lion's share of the brains compared to the men.
😅😅😅 the sass😅
The Tyrells were smart if you think about it. Stay out of war, save your wealth and resources. Allow your power and influence to grow in the BG.
Mommy Tyrell used that uno reverse card masterfully
it was also implied that lord tyrell who was steward at the time of house greenhand was the one who manipulated and convinced the greenhand lords to march againts Aegon the conqueror in hopes that they will all perish and have highgarden to themselves. so even before the conquest the tyrells are master manipulators already. growing strong steadily unnoticed by others.
This is a show only thing. It was never implied in the books.
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to be fair, there wasn't much written history about the tyrells. it very well could have been the case that they seized the opportunity when they saw it coming from a mile away. there's a case to be made for both sides even with the book canon story. it's not like george point blank wrote that they in fact DID NOT plot anything.
@@maggyfrog I completely agree. Both could be true. Plotting to convince your King to go to a War against dragons and make sure that EVERYONE will die is a bit of a stupid plan though cause it's not in your hand. I think the truth is in between. Every House has an arc and the arc of the Tyrells revolves around pragmatism. Houses in The Reach are very powerful, proud and powerhungry. The Tyrells are the ones that work in silence and with resolve and succeed even if the rest underestimate them. Their whole story is how the rest underestimated them but they used Highgarden well to advance themselves till these upstarts control the Iron Throne in ASOIAF and have like 50 decendants.
@@G_Kchrst
the metaphor of gardening as cultivating their own power and status in a manner that's down-to-earth is also quite literally possibly how they are actually a successful house. being gardeners allowed them access to who comes and goes in a way that's like proto-surveillance. they have enough info to actually study politics and the chess game. and they did so in a position that allowed them to be under the radar yet indispensable to their previous overlords. as far as character building, understanding how to cultivate nature and position that as an agricultural necessity and as a status symbol flex gave their house invaluable wisdom about longevity even at the cost of appearing like the eternal upstarts. to the houses who seized power through warfare or simply because their ancestors happened to be there as pioneers, the tyrells don't get the credit they deserve. they were so well-positioned in terms of self-learning and taking opportunities when they arise.
the more i think about the little known history of the tyrells, the more it seems to me that they knew exactly how to "plot without plotting". kind of like gardening, where you are the architect of the garden, but the plants will only grow a certain way if you carefully laid out the seeds and tirelessly did the weeding, molded the tree branches a certain way, and so on. they knew how to plan ahead in a way that makes it look like "this is what a garden is supposed to look like", if you get my meaning.
@@maggyfrog Yeah, I think you have gotten the metaphor quite well. The Tyrells have used Highgarden's power and influence to become strong, necessary and likeable. They managed to become strong without making a lot of enemeis and drawing a lot of attention.
Aegon I did a very wise political move naming the innocent Tyrells at the time lords of the Reach, keeping this fertile well populated lands divided and thus controlled by the crown. The Hightowers were the most powerful house of the Reach, they owned Oldtown (the biggest city, the seat of the faith and knowledge in Westeros) and the Bank of Oldtown. They were wealthier than the Gardeners. When the later went extinct, the Hightowers should have been named naturally the new lords of the Reach but Aegon named the Tyrells and placed the Hightowers as their subjects. The Tyrells would always be loyal to the Targaryens for naming them lords of the Reach and elevate them... so with this move, he assure control of the area.
Margaery Tyrell was one of my fave in game of thrones I hated her death 😭
She was smoking.
Read the books, she's still there!
That was because D&D didnt know what to do, what happened in the show would never have happened, the Tyrell would have taken Cersei's head, beseiged the city and put Mace in charge with Olenna pulling the strings. By the time that season came around, D&D forgot about consequences of actions
@@andrzejkopalnia She's such a girlboss in the books too but it's way more subtle, like how she plays all friendly and innocent up until Cersei has her arrested and Margaery calls her a "vile scheming bitch"
Still alive in the books
Aegon I was wise in putting the Tyrells in charge of the Reach since it made them own loyalty to his house, if Daeron I had done the same in Dorne instead of leaving a foreigner in charge he would've succeeded holding it after he defeated them.
Perhaps house Yronwood since they were the ones to control Dorne before Nymeria and the rhoyne arrived. After all the Martells had finally bend the knee and Daeron had a bunch of Dornish lord as hostages.
@@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365 The Dornish don't take kindly to foreigners and people who bend to foreigners. The Yrnwoods are also stony Dornishmen, who have little in common with sandy and salty Dornishmen. House Martell commands a higher sense of personal loyalty from the Dornish than any other, so whoever Aegon put in charge would be tossed out the window.
Dorne was never defeated. It was brought in by Marriage.
@@ElzariusUnity Daeron I conquered Dorne for a while and the Martells bent the knee to him, if he later hadn't trusted the rebels when they offered peace terms Dorne would continue to be under Targaryen control.
@@nightman1790Not bent a knee. they were never defeated in war like lannisters, Surrendered easily like Starks nor blackmailed/hostaged like arryns) but peaceful joining the realm by marriage at their own will.
Yup, kinda cut from the show. The Tyrell kids were all half Hightowers.
The Tyrells did suffer post Dance. They were mostly excluded by the Lords of Westeros, even in the Reach, for sitting out the fight. Some Houses with Gardener blood even petitioned the King to remove Tyrells from HighGarden for this.
That is why Lord Tyrell played an active role in the War for Dorne initiated by Daeron I Targaryen 25 years after the Dance, to prove that the Tyrells are more than capable. For his initiative, he was given Dorne, but lost it after dying too soon by assassination.
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I still fail to understand how any of these houses can survive for thousands of years.....
Deception, minding your own business, a FUCK ton of luck🤣🤣, and screwing the right people
Without technological or medicinal advancements...
Playing the CK2 AGOT makes you really wonder
Because it's fantasy.
@@frakjohnson2494 there definitely was technological and medical advancements, just not as much today. In fact, that is pretty historically accurate. It wasn't until the last 200 to 300 years that the world saw such technological advancements, in fact, it has been exponential. All the advancements of humanity have always been very minor in comparison throughout the history, from stone to bronze to iron, not really too big of a difference. Then in the 1700s and 1800s we saw humanity use the knowledge of the Renaissance to create new machines and new political philosophies, and new ideas about progress.
Like the jump from horses to cars was a much bigger jump in technology and advancement than all the stone, bronze, iron advancements combined.
You should Google a graph of technological advancements. It is really insane, and just as insane is the population growth. More humans were born in the past 200 or 300 years than almost all the humans that have lived in pretty sure. Exponential growth and advancement is really only a modern thing.
we need to have a tv series about the tyrell family
Well, the current Lord of Highgarden is a baby by the time the Dance kicked off, so... 😅 Still surprised they didn't have the rest of the Reach follow the main force of the Hightower army, and march together on King's Landing.
The Blacks stunt at Tumbleton wouldn't have gone as well with that much of a larger force.
Lady Tyrell let the houses decide for themselves. Of the Reach, houses like the Tarlys and the Beesburys fought for Rheanyra so the Reach was divided. Those houses directly sworn to House Tyrell did not all move.
@@SantomPh lady tyrell played it safe not just for her young son but for the future of house tyrell.
The way they eff it’s all one house just a lot of separate rooms !
One of my favorite houses! 🎉🎉🎉
My favourite house! I hate how they were treated in the show! Wiped out? And bronn takes it? Like the hightowers and other houses will just let that happen!
Oh wow I didn’t know it was that Tyrell who got stung with the 100 scorpions. That’s crazy
Oldtown is a University town, a seaport town, and a religious center of power even if not the main one anymore.
Bound to be interesting!
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I love how random House Tyrel’s extreme influence and wealth came about. They answered the door after everyone was dead? You’re the new lords. 😂
A swedard is like the hand of the king , he is an acting lord , running the castle and the estate, the economics, defence, ( they are usually Knights as well ) they run the household.. there is a difference, like ned starks steward. ( jane pooles father) but you saw in that case the daughters were educated and raised together. And a noble born great house hereditary steward. But he would speak with the lords authority. Like a hsnd of the kind on a smaller scale..
I think the tyrell men were famous ( bolts ) dumb . Like lady olennas husband rode of a cliff hunting. Even she called him a dolt or a fool
A steward is like the master of coin. The castellan is the hand of the king.
@@jamaicansunitedforchange5745 a sweward often is the castellan . A castellan is in command of the garrison of a castle. An usually it's a war time emergency position. It's effectively the same thing . And with an hereditary steward, like there was no castellan to tell that tyrell steward no to surrender.
Even the real world family name steward is a royal surname, like Mary steward ( Mary Queen of Scots) they family came to power in a similar manner from a previous dynasty. A trusted aid married inyo the family ( daughter, and the msle line died out and they inherited) .
Or lord of the rings. Prince denathor swedard of gondor. ( hereditary regents for a thousand years) before the return of the king . ( Tolkien Lord of the rings ) . The wife or lady of the house managed coin , we see cat doing that with the royal visit . They was usually someone responsible for the household accounts . As a separate position.
The stewards are the head of the household affairs, like a secretary for the lord, and also of a noble line. As the Gardeners were kings the Tyrells took care of Highgarden and managed affairs on their behalf. Hence when Aegon came to Highgarden , Lord Tyrell came to greet them as he was effectively ruling the reach in Mern Gardner's name.
In the north, where knighthood is not really dominant a steward holds a different post, namely someone who aids the lord in daily duties, like keeping the castle clean, the animals fed and that the children had their lessons. The Starks generally had enough of their own people to handle their affairs. Catelyn was the first to bring a master of arms to Winterfell, at least one who was a knight.
0:10 You say every Hightower character was cut? No. There was one
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Wasn’t they missing in the war of the nine petty kings? 8/9 houses including targaryen was in the step stones
It is likely that they also participated. Out of the 8 lords, Ormund Baratheon, Rickard Stark, Jon Arryn and Quellon Greyjoy were definitely confirmed to be there. Hoster Tully was there, but I'm not sure if he was already Lord Paramount then. Tytos Lannister wasn't there but was represented by his brother and sons. House Martell was confirmed to have sent "spears" but had no mention if any Martell did fight in the war. Now considering the grandeur of Ormund's host I think it's pretty safe to say that the Tyrell's definitely sent their own men to the war. As for actual Tyrells, Luthor was probably lord at the time and Mace was already born by then. I don't think Luthor participated because if he did he would at least be mentioned considering his status as Warden of the South. It also doesn't help how Olenna thinks of her husband which further paints the picture that Luthor was not a warrior. As for Mace it is highly likely that he is still too young considering that Tywin Lannister was a "young knight" then and Mace is very much younger than Tywin.
The Tyrells might have sent the Hightowers and a host of Reach men there, but it''s unlikely Lothor would go himself. He would be like Mace in the show, a bit of a dolt.
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Hearing about the history of the Tyrells, I can understand why they fell apart in game of thrones. Their sigil isn't a wolf or a lion that devours its enemies trying to be king of the jungle. They are a plant, growing slowly over decades.
Despite being from "The Reach" the Tyrells in history never seemed to over-reach in their goals. When powerful houses fought, they either didn't pick a side or didn't go all in on a side. They might have stood with the mad king with Robert's rebellion, but they didn't go "all in." Mace just put in the token effort of keeping Storm's end under siege. Because of that, even though they ended up on the losing side, they didn't lose much of anything.
But Loras and Margaery Tyrell overeached. Loras pushed Renly to be king, and Margaery was willing to do anything to make herself The Queen. Instead of growing slowly like a plant spreading their influence like seeds, they tried to fight amongst the other powerful houses. It really shouldn't have come as a shock that the lion beat the flower in the fight.
Seems the Tyrells (and even more so, the Hightowers) often prefer to just take a back seat in most cases. Ruling the Reach means they don't want for much so, why risk it all?
@@thalmoragent9344exactly..which is is why they would SURVIVE GOT, D&D just didnt know how to write, the Tyrells are forever
you can't really take d&d's piss take on the story as book-canon. i doubt the whole explosion thing with the excess supply of wildfyre is ever going to be a thing in the books. d&d were just running out of ideas on their own.
there's too much stuff going on in the 5 books that didn't make it in the show or wasn't part of the consolidation of the plot points in the show. since margaery and loras both don't have POV chapters, i really don't think there's going to be a focus on the tyrells apart from them just being in the periphery of the main events. as far as olenna tyrell, i think her main part was already fulfilled in the poisoning of joffrey and i don't think there's going to be the stand-off between her and jaime or cersei for that matter. i think something else is going to happen and either loras or margaery will get out or escape and go back to highgarden and then make their plans from there.
@@twelve11 Except no. The Tyrells in both the show and books do NOT act like the Tyrell's of old. The younger generation goes all in on first Renly, then Joffery, then Tommen. Which what got them killed in the show and will likely get them killed in the books.
You are talking only about the show and in this video he is using the books and novels from George RR Martin and The Tyrells in fact as for today in the books, House Tyrell IS the most powerful house in Westeros. You are very wrong to assume the Tyrells "fell apart"@@waxerwaer9700
I love how half of the Reach just ignores the Tyrell whatever it suits them. What is given it can be taken away. They have my obedience but not my respect.
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good video interesting !
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that thumbnail looks like something straight out of last of us
8 2 hour episodes or...
This video makes a lot of assumptions about The Tyrells that are not established though. They were not the only major House that fought for the Targs as well, The Martells fought for them. And of course they bent the kneee to Aegon, he had 3 Dragons and just buirned the whole army of The Reach and The Rock. They were very loyal Sterwarts that ruled Highgarden well and they continued to do so as Lords. They literaly became the strongest House in Westeros in 300 years from upstarts because of how good they manuvered their power. And callling them boring is a personal opinion. The events of HoTD will play a big role in weakening The Hightowers and allowing The Tyrells to consolidate their power in The Reach.
I love House Beesburry
Ehh it dosent make sense why the tyrells arent involved.
But i internalise it as devide and conquer. Tyrells are the most powerful house in the Reach thus they wouldnt want to share power.
Thus the targaryens get the 2nd most powerful house "hightower" and elevate them to the top in order to atain their loyalty.
Thus the hightowers will always be loyal due to their power being linked to targaryen power and the rivalry betweeb the tyrells
The lord of the time is a small baby, with his mother being acting head of the house. Should House Tyrell side with the greens he would be at risk, especially with Rheanyra using more dragons. The Hightowers represent the Reach well enough, and with houses like Tarly siding with the blacks, there is a risk a Reach civil war
It's funny how despite being lord's of the reach the tyrells aren't even blood of the reach men , unlike many reachern houses the first tyrells came to westeros as members of the andal invading army 😅.....
I thought Garth Greenhand was a First Men
@@jacksparrow9227 garth green hand wasn't a tyrell but yes he was a descendant of the first men but from him come the reach men and the tyrells were not one of them but yeah as @merlin5037 said they do mix their blood with the reachmen as the generations pass
i mean, the targaryens were valyrians and they consolidated westeros almost entirely, so...
@@maggyfrogHouse Targaryen consolidated their powers via dragons and conquest. House Tyrell just got lucky because Aegon
@@whatthefisfilipinx
it wasn't luck, and that's not the point anyway. being a non-native has no bearing whether or not a house can succeed in westeros. other examples are lord varys and house baelish
I sincerely hope this channel doesn't further use AI generated images for it's thumbnails and photos. There are thousands of artists out there that deserves to be recognized.
The speed HBO is doing HOD is a real shame
House Hightower should have been made Warden of the South instead of house Tyrell. Definitely would had help King Aegon ii and the greens more if his mother house had more control over the Reach.
That would have made the Hightowers too powerful. Putting a Steward House in charge makes it so that the Paramounts can't get too powerful and unify against the Crown since they'll be spending much of their power maintaining stable relations with their jealous vassals
even unnamed tyrells are based
Exept House Velaryon...sadly😢
Only 8 episodes? Damn, why are shows these days so desperate to push through ?
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The Tyrell ruled because the Gardener were destroyed. I have a theory that the Hightower or the Tarly will overthrow them and that the Tyrell will fall the same way they rose.
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3:41 Remember this is not a feminist story and Rhaenyra is far from a feminist.
Your videos are really well thought out and informative. However, if possible, could you enunciate your words a little more. Your words slur together a bit.
is speaking properly that exhausting for you? If enunciating whole words if difficult, don't make an audio clip. I could hardly make out half of what you tried to say.
No, it's not just about Targaryens and Hightowers.
Dude. Enunciate. I can hardly tell what you´re saying in half your speech. ENUNCIATE!