What If Viserys Married Laena Velaryon? (House Of The Dragon)
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2024
- It's a question I'm sure we've all asked since episode 2 of House Of The Dragon. What would have happen if Viserys married the only daughter of Coryls the Sea Snake instead of Alicent Hightower? Here's my take.
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You'd be trading the Green's for the Teals by the time the Dance of Dragons kicked off. As long as Rhaenyra remained heir there was always gonna be conflict if his next wife had a son. In this case, Laena and Viserys hypothetical son would take the place of Aegon. Corlys was just as ambitious as Otto when it came to his bloodline on the throne. Only this time, the Velaryons are far more powerful than the Hightower was in the original timeline.
In this timeline, I don't think there will be a big problem with Rhaenyra marrying Harwin Strong. They like each other, and Viserys wanted Rhaenyra to choose her husband. And something more important. Rhaenyra had no problem ceasing to be an heir if she had a brother. She focuses on being the heir, for two things... Alicent's betrayal and Viserys' guilt.
Viserys marrying Laena would not have distanced Alicent and Rhaenyra and Rhaenyra and Viserys. So, Rhaenyra accepting a possible brother as heir and her staying at Harrenhall is quite likely.
@@JMTgpro It would also put the Targaryens in a better position because they would strengthen their ties with another Valyrian house that shared blood with them and could thus ride dragons. Not to mention the Velaryon navy.
Honestly smartest thing would have been to have V and R marry Laena and Laenor. Also we don’t know that Laena would have boys and she may still have died in childbirth
People forget that Corlys is a proud man. Whose always wanted his family in the as well.
No way would he support Daemons wife over his a grandson.
But Laena had daughters and then died. Plus the Velaryons could have taken the throne with Vhagar, Meleys and Seasmoke but didn’t. They could have held another council once they had those 3 dragons but didn’t. I just don’t think it’s in them to usurp.
I always thought the moment V decided on Alicent was when she said ‘I’m sorry this happened to you’ he blamed himself for Aemma and Alicent took the blame off him.
He did say that Alicent "led me through the worst of my grief"
*more than likely at her father bequest*
I love this little girl with the big wig on. Adorable
If Viserys married Laena the same shit would've happened because Coryls wanted his blood on the throne and Laena's son would've been Coryl's trueborn grandson. I do think Coryls would've done exactly what the Greens did. Remember he was so pissed that Viserys didn't wed his daughter that he betrothed Laena to the sealord of Braavos which could've made problems for westeros. So yeah the dance would've happened if he wed Laena.
You clearly don't know the story or have ever read the books. Coryls is of the dragon bloodline 🤦♀️ the hand of the king Otto Hightower wanted HIS blood on throne. Thus sensing his daughter to spend time with him.
@@mariacaruso5751 actually bitch I have read the books, coryls wanted viserys to marry his daughter so that she could become queen and of course if she birthed a son, he'd want that grandson to be heir to viserys and I do know that coryls had targaryen blood because of how much house velaryon and house targaryen have married even before the conquest.
Laenor and Laena aren't twins. She's older born 92 AC, and Laenor in 94 AC
Wait, what I thought, laenor and rhaenyra were the same age, and laena was younger. Laenor and Rhaenyra were 14 in the first episode, and laena was like 11?
@@darkphoenix3347 In the show Rhaenyra is older than Laena, about three years older. But that's because they aged Rhaenyra. In the books she's younger than Laena, Rhaenyra was born in 97 AC. She was around 8 instead of 15 when Viserys married Alicent.
AC?? Now, I have started to wonder why Jesus Christ wasn't successful in Westeros.
After conquest. @@KhaliqahAzima
@@han-oq6bo Yeah. I forgot that it wasn't After Christ but Anno Domini. 😭
I think in this timeline Daemon would try even harder to seduce Rhaenyra.
She would still be the named heir and Viserys would still carry his guilt about Aemma (and would not change that, no matter Corlys‘ protests).
If the marriage of Laenor wouldn’t be on the table, Daemon would see it as his chance for advancement, even though it would be hard because of his „banishment“ to the Vale (in the real timeline he also just arrives back at Rhaenyras wedding and Viserys just lets him).
It would also be possible that Otto would try to marry his oldest son to Rhaenyra. So he would still marry high up in the succession and hinder Daemon from doing it.
Although some „strong“ children would complicate all that even more.
A Dance of the Dragons would be sort of inevitable, the sides would just change.
I don’t believe Daemon would go back to his wife but he would kill her n start seducing Rhaenyra early on. Daemon will marry Rhaenyra n they would go against Oto n Corlys. Alicent will marry a Lannister.
Criston would serve Rhaenyra until he either leaves or offs himself.
The war will go with Rhaenyra having the starks, the vale, n river lands as supporters while the new faction has driftmart n Lannister fleet with old town supporting them financially. Great what if
I think Otto would try to push for Gwayne to marry Rhaenyra while Daemon was away.
The only way to avoid a dance would be to also have Rhaenyria marry Laenor, so that Corlys will be grandfather to the king without needing to put Laena's children on the throne
Imo the dance still happens the way it does I. The og storyline because Laenor is incapable of giving him true born grandsons. I think he could accept them sure knowing his sons tastes so to speak. Even in this timeline he accepts the boys not only for their mothers dragon blood (bastards or not they’ve the blood of the dragon) he was content knowing they’d be married back into his bloodline. In the og timeline with his granddaughters from Laena and daemon Union or in this case Rhaenyras boys and any spares she would have with king V would most likely be wed back to each other. Un the end I still don’t think he welcome being slighted by giving his only daughter to the king for heirs only to have them passed over especially should she give him sons. There is also another layer here considering V essentially took the throne from the sea snakes wife. By V Placing his daughter as Queen and defending her claim I believe this would be received as a huge slap in their faces as well.
I think if he married Laena Otto would have tried to marry one of his sons to Rhaenyra rather than try to start turmoil with the Velaryons
Great video as always! I think "What if Viserys named Aegon II his heir?" would be interesting to explore too!
Viserys’ crown has SO MUCH more power behind it if his wife is riding Vhagar.
Edit: the only major disagreement I have with you is Daemon and Rhea having a child. Fire and Blood makes rather clear that she is infertile.
F&B is an in World highly biased collection of Maester et al accounts, sometimes written many years after events, from questionable sources. The show clearly implied Daemon and Rhea never consummated their union.
In the shows timeline they state that the marriage was never consummated. So we don't know for sure if she's infertile or if her and Daemon just don't like each other that well.
infertile because no one fucked her? how do the maesters or mushroom know 🤨
Was the marriage ever consumated in the books 📚?!?
@@cliffordrose4335 it is never confirmed in the book, but Daemon is disappointed in not having any children
Daemon having a son would throw a kink into Otto's plans, but only a slight one. I can picture him, nudging for a betrothal between Viserys and Laena's daughter to baby Maegor, saying how beneficial the much-smaller age difference between them would be. Never one to miss a chance to advance his own family name, during his private conversations with Corlys, I feel like he'd suggest a match between Laenor and Alicent as a way of cementing his support behind Laenor's nephew's claim to the crown. If this couple find a way to produce a daughter, and he could convince Viserys to keep Aegon unattached long enough for this child to be born and grow enough, his granddaughter would become the future queen-consort. His blood would still get on the throne through his great-grandchildren, and pride over this idea would, take his eye off the other key player in this new scenario: Rhaenyra. If Daemon's wife died from complications during or after Maegor's birth, that would, once again, leave him as a candidate for his niece's hand. If Rhea survived for a little while beyond that, then Rhaenyra would have time to make a legitimate marriage with Harwin Strong, leaving no questions or arguments about their sons' paternity. Rhea would still die at later on, as would Harwin, and Daemon and Rhaenyra would then still marry and have their own kids. (1/13/2024)
I would definitely love a part 2! I felt like i was left on a cliffhanger of possibilities with this new timeline. Great video!
Part 2 please! I love hearing your theories!❤
Great video bro, please make a part two of this ✅✅✅✅🤞🏿
By marrying her bastards to Rhaena and Baela that patches up the one little discrepancy. So that way a descendant of Rhaenys and Corlys will still get Driftmark and the Iron Throne
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I see that’s an option! But what if Viserys married the Seasnake’s daughter, wich didn’ suit Otto Hightower’s ambitions? He’s come so far with making Alicent bond with the King to just let it slip.
What if he conspired with Larys Strong (who was still in the picture) to kill the “Child-Queen” before this marriage could even be consummated - of course it had to look like an accident. Alicent would be back in his Game of Thrones, in that alternate timeline things could develop much the same way as the original but maybe delayed by a couple of years.
The rift with Corlis Valerian could have happened anyway because he would have blamed Viserys for the death of his daughter…. Maybe war would then be likely to happen between the Targaryens and the Valerians…
Great video!
To prevent the dance there were a few things he could have done...
1- Name his son by his new wife his heir
2- His new wife is from a lesser house so if he keeps his heir Rhaenyra the wife's family can't do anything. They can try though....
3- Make Rhaenyra his hand or Daemon, and send Otto home.
4- When he grew ill, make Rhaenyra his regent and rule together until the end
5- Send the boys away, they can be emissaries to Essos or something
6- Marry Daemon to Rhaenyra, they eventually do marry anyway
7- Send Otto and his daughter home
8- Stop fighting Daemon, he knows how to play the game of thrones better and he loves his brother.
9- Pick a better husband for Rhaenyra. Laenor wasn't bad, he was just infertile and gay. It was a good idea, but he just couldn't do his duty.
10 - I repeat, send Otto home.
It still annoys me that the show kept saying "Pure Valyrian blood." None of the Targaryens or Valyrians in this generation are pure Valyrian. They all descend from Lord Aethan Velaryon and his wife Alarra Massey, who was of mixed First men and Andal descent. Alarra was the mother of Alyssa Velaryon (who became the wife if King Aenys I and mother of Jaehaerys, Alyssane, etc) and of Daemon Velaryon (the grandfather of Coryls).
The show's casting for the Velaryons would also make a lot more sense if they established that Daemon Velaryon and/or Corwyn Velaryon married ladies from the Summer Isles. Personally I would have loved if Corlys could claim direct descent from Prince Malthar Xaq, called "the Mapmaker" and "the Windrider," the Summer Islander who was the world most famous seafarer before Coryls himself. It just makes sense for the Velaryon to ally themselves with the rulers of the Isle of Koj to gain access to the navigational charts in the Pearl Palace and the shipwrights who produce most of the world swan ships.
Hey big dog in normally wouldn't ask this but is there any chance we can get a sequel? This one is pretty dope and I would kind of like to see how it pans out
PART 2 PLEASE
Part two please.
Daemon didn't kill Rhae Royce in cannon ... she died 9 days after she fell from her horse. So if he had she had plenty of time to tell someone.😂❤
Part 2 please
I still think Daemon and Rharnyra would get together in some point.
According to your timeline, I would think that Daemon gets his marriage with Rhea annulled then he marries Rhaenyra has kids with her. Alicent marries Laenor by Otto's demand to at least get access to the fleet.
A more peaceful situation might be Rhaenyra marrying Harwin Strong and Daemon marrying Alicent, if Rhea has an "accident". Then again, Daemon and Rhaenyra are too intertwined to not have affairs with one another.
This is an amazing start and I can't wait for part 2 of this video. But I'm more looking forward to your part 2 of What if the Greens died.
Why is no one considering LAENA in this. This is the girl who claimed the largest dragon at 14 we’re talking about. She is the daughter of the queen who never was. She understood the fate of being a women bc of her mom. I don’t believe she would idly sit by and allow men to control a women’s fate especially considering how much Laena n Rhaenyea adored each other in the books. Rhaenyra wouldn’t harm her children so Laena has no reason to believe or support her Fathers ambitions. Considering Rhaenyra would likely still wed pretty soon after that her children would likely be in a similar age range to Laenas. Instead of the twins marriage they would likely be engaged to Rhaenyras children like in canon with the twins n the strong boys.
Lys is literally BURSTING with Valyrians and they go around talking about the blood of the dragon and proceed to marry westerosi people 😂
Yeah I don’t think anything really changes. People will be on different sides but the Dance of Dragons will happen.
This was great
What if Daemon swallowed his pride and had children by Rhea Royce
re: the names of these hypothetical kids, the name helaena always struck me as something alicent chose. like she took a reach name, helen or helena, and gave it a targaryen twist because she was still in her targaryen cosplay era
Where do these tubers get such a high def download of a Map of Westeros ?
The Dance of the Dragons would still happen. It won’t be Blacks vs Greens but Whites (Loyalty to white-haired Targaryens) vs Silvers (Silver-Haired Targaryens).
Rhaenyra would still be named heir, meaning any children by Viserys and Laena would still be second in line. I think Rhaenyra would still be married to Laenor, if only to quell any animosity with Corlys. Lionel Strong is still made the hand, meaning Harwin still sires three bastards with Rhaenyra, but this time no one cares. Maybe Alicent on principle, but not to the degree that it starts any wars. If there were to be anything resembling the dance, it would be Laena's son trying to stake his claim. That's more of a Blackfyre rebellion situation.
Agreed. It would be similar to tge Blackfyre rebellion and possibly go on for many generations. You can't just make an acception and not change the rules for everyone.
Is even Daemon, the Rogue Prince, so bold as to name his son Maegor? I mean I always thought he named Aegon after his brother (the one who died at 1yr old) & not necessarily as a snub to Alicent. Then he names his second son Viserys, while his brother (the King) was still alive. If not those names, then Balon, after his father (& the heir for a day, which Viserys could take as a snub). Or even Gaemon, for the Glorious. Anything is better than Maegor. That would be like saying, 'don't let my son have any power, you will regret it.'
Great video tho
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Then we would've probably had another dance of dragons
The only difference between Otto and Corlys is that Otto was more pragmatic about the situation.
He wasn't so wroth like Corlys has been many times and, in the end, they both wanted to marry their daughter to the king... like most Lords would. Hell, just look at what happened during the reign of Aegon IV) so, yeah a Dance happens either way.
Naming Rhaenyra the permanent heir was stupid, she was a placeholder to keep Daemon off the Throne for some time before Viserys could have a son. Aegon II (or whatever the eldest son with Laena would be called) would still end up with support as the firstborn son.
[Oh, and lets not forget, Laena's life would be miserable, same as Alicent's was]
I'm still a firm believer of whichever egg hatched first gets it
Otto would 100% watch from the shadows to try and figure out who the Hightowers to back. If for example Otto's son or Alicent had a daughter around the age of Jace and if Rhaenyra wanted more allies with Alicent's support Otto would happily agree to have his granddaughter marry Jace who in this timeline would most likely be a trueborn son of Harwin and Rhaenyra. Otto gets to continue his position in court and gets his family on the throne.
people misinterprate corlys saying "history just remembers names" with that he would accept one of the "strong"-boys as heir aslong as his name lives on. He does not. Just like anyone else he is all about bloodlines, hell he is using at any other moment rhaenys bloodline as a reminder that she should be queen. No, he is okay with it because his granddaughters are going to marry said "strong"-boys; this way securing his bloodline as the ruler of driftmark and the seven kingdoms. Also what are his other options? Accusing the kings favourite child about wedlock and losing any claim to the iron throne through his supposed grandson? Lets face it: He had far more to win and nothing to lose by siding with rhaenyra, even though he did not like her.
Of course that changed later...
The moment Leana has a son, Corlys becomes Rhaenyra's enemy #1.
Would Otto help Corlys or Rhaenyra?
I think Deamon would have called his son Balon not Magor (or however you spell it) like naming your son after a usurping tyrant your branch of the family challenged isn't a good luck. But it does make it more interesting. I also think him going to the Vale would to gather troops, the crown doesn't have many troops directly, so Daemon could use his ability to muster soldiers as a lord and go to the stepstones as part of a Iron throne led war. So i think he would see action but as a side character. While if you keep the 3 year gap surely Visery's new twins would be two young? If we say its 2 years before they marry (though i feel 14 might still be considering young) she still needs to bare the kids so they'd be like 3 months old. I a setting of celebrating his newborn twins along with a war victory might make more sense time wish? Other than my nick picking i love your ideas i think your take on otto and corlys is interesting and consistent, i definitely want to see more. Also what would happen with the stepstones in your timeline? In lore is descents back into piracy would if the iron throne wins i assumed they have conquered it? So that could be an issue of who gets new titles and land there.
Also i do love the idea of Daemon fathering a son with lady Royce - like his epithet has to be 'the bronze dragon'.
I like this speculation
What if viserys named aegon as his heir
Part 2?
What if Jaheryres had married off Rhaenys and Viserys to one another? Could the Dance have still been prevented?
I hate speculative “what if” scenarios after the obvious consequences of the new plot, everything is so unintuitive and uninteresting. You’re telling me if Daemon was exiled he would just go back to the vale? No that’s not at all in line with his character, but of course you’d have no other ideas for the plot because it’s so unimaginative.
Then Dance still happens, because Corlys wanted his blood on the throne, and Laena's child would be his grandchild, and if she gives him a son, then he would push for him to be made heir not Rhaenyra, and when refused, he would scheme like Otto hightower to put his grandson on the throne, because don't act as if he ever is truely loyal to Rhaenyra, he's only in it for the power he'll get with his blood on the ironthrone.
Laena would likely grow to resent Viserys like Alicent did, and when her sons get ignored and Rhaenyra continues to misbehave and such and trot out bastards, she would 100% also join in on let's get the son on the throne train.
Corlys would be a more dangerous enemy than Otto. In this timeline Corlys knows he and his family is on par with the Targaryens. Rhaenys, Laena and Laenor are dragon riders vs Rhaenyra and Daemon on Viserys side. Corlys have the largest fleet and the wealth at this time challenging him would be a disaster. By the time Laena and Viserys had children and let's say one of them is a son it would be unwise to anyone in court to go against Corlys. Many Lords would side with Corlys as he would push his Grandson to be named heir as oppose to Rhaenyra. Corlys would insist that in Westerosi custom the boys come first before girls and many Lords believe that as well because that's how things are and it is also a way to preserve their status. Corlys ironically, will use the same precedent that disinherited his wife to put his blood on the iron throne. Also, to make sure that noboby will have the same strength as his family Corlys will wed Rhaenyras' children to Laena's children to make sure that no other family would be close to the throne as his.
I think it would be the same outcome if viserys and laena have a son and viserys keeps rhaenyra as an heir. Corlys and house velaryon takes the place as the greens.
If this happened there literally would be no hope of Daemon and his wife winning this.
I like this proposal and Lady Alicent could have been recruited as his concubine lol while Lady Laena Velaryon would be his lawful & proper wife fit to bear his children in the coming years. King Viserys could have them both with the position of royal mistress bring traditionally accepted by all the high lords of the realm.
What if alicent only had daughters
Probably would try to marry them to Rhaenyra's sons
@@yasmina3999 no she wouldn't because she hates rhaneyras bastards because bastards are not worthy
@@yasmina3999 Not if Rhaenyra still has bastards
@@browniebear nah, no. In the show Alicent didn't agree because she had sons. Otto would definitely push his granddaughters to marry Jace/Luke because he wouldn't have a better choice
@@yasmina3999 Otto would not just roll over and put his ambitions aside. He will either succeed or die trying.
Otto would rather seat his granddaughter on the Throne rather than have Rhaenyra (who has thrice committed treason by having bastards pose as legitimate), ascend the throne.
Rhaenyra's transgression even if it only happens once is firm cause for disinheritance. Otto would definitely do all he can to bring the truth of Rhaenyra to light which would convince many nobles (maybe in the form of a new Great Council). Then he would intimidate those who were not compliant to bend the knee and hail Alicent's eldest daughter as the true heir. Otto would then establish a formal decree that would enable this new ruling queen given the emergency circumstances.
From there the plan would be for said daughter's eldest son to succeed after her so absolute male primogeniture would return as the stable manner of succession. Otto would also take every measure possible to prevent Daemon from claiming the throne.
"WHAT IF ALICENT GOT FRIENDZONED 😭😭😭😭"
I think that Viserys married Alicent because he knew his disease would kill him and wanted kids fast.
Corlys wouldve been JUST like Otto lolol
I appreciate that you know is that him marrying Laena was the right decision. Even though putting her mother on the throne was the right decision
Nah, it was a decision made with his head alright. Just not the one above his shoulders. It was no coincident that Hightower sent his daughter in to "comfort" the king at around that time.
What if vaemond becomes lord of driftmark
Problem of series is that the actual age of characters is changed. Viserys was ~28, when Aemma died, Rhaenyra - 8-9, Alisenta - about 17. While Laena Velaryon was actually about 13-14. Yes, she was young, but Aemma got married in her age and her marriage was consumated when she was 15, so there's nothing new to medieval world of Vesteros. There were no problem to Viserys to marry Laena, the only problem was his foolish idea that making Rhaenyra an heir and producing after a boy won't make a cause to war after his death. No matter who'd be his wife and how much children they'd have. If for almost every lord of Vesteros heirs were man, and it's logical for them to not to respect this decision after king died. Moreover, Rhaenyta was stupid to produce bastards and punished with father's hands everyone with eyes and bravery to say who they are.
Then the house of the dragons strongest days would have been ahead. Not behind.
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All of this wouldve made wayyyy more sense than Viserys marrying Alicent.
Civil war wouldn't have happened. Rhaenyra was willing to bow down to their children & accepted the marriage.
Rhaenys would have prevented bloodshed if alive
Lena and Lenor are not twins…
i think you give Corlys a bit to much grace he’s just as power hungry as Otto the reason he doesn’t care about gender and bastards is because at the time it was most lucrative for him to go against tradition but if Laena and Viserys married and she had a son he’d push for his grandson immediately and wouldn’t have to be convinced by Otto or some other third party
Her daughter would be Queen, end of story
I swear this is fanfiction
Your comment about house valerian isn't correct becUse they already have a dragon rider and are already bound in blood. You know the guy she marries but is gay.
The insistance of people thinking that corlys and laena would as cruel as otto and alicent is astounding
finish the rhaenys killing the greens series please
But Rhaenyra should still marry Laenor! Otherwise they have basically the same problem with two separate dragon riding families. But why would Corlys start a war to have his daughter’s kid on the throne when he could have his son’s kid on the throne with no war? He still wouldn’t really care about the bastard thing. The smartest choice would have been for Viserys to get engaged to Laena and for Rhaenyra to marry Laenor. No war!