What If Aegon and Rhaenyra Were Married? (House Of The Dragon)
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2024
- It's question we've thinking of since episode 3. It's the greatest sibling rivalry in the history of Westeros and the fallout still affect Westeros to this day. But what if things were different? What if brother and sister came together instead of tearing each other apart? Here's my take.
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Okay, okay, okay, BUT... what if Rhaenyra married the Blackwood boy purely out of spite? He's clearly not of an age to be married, she doesn't want married yet, but having a betrothed would stop the endless plays for her hand.
cool
She could have married harwin strong and everything would have been fine.
@@BryndenBloodravenshe could’ve done so many things and she did all the wrong ones lmfao
Honestly that little badass deserved something for his bravery and also his skill
real talk that kid was by no means weak or a coward and let's call it like it is yes he had a long sword but the other guy was armed and was a grown ass man kid earned that W
i need to see this happen, i can only imagine how their wedding would go. maybe he would get tired and fall asleep in her lap during the dinner
even more proof that the true root of the dance was jaeherys not listening to alysanne and learning from maegor
not from maegor, in old valyria the oldest in the family would rule which if you exclude visenya then it would me maegor the right heir but now it would be daemon and rhaenyra since rhanys married outside. jaeherys just went with westeros traditions isntead
What if aegon didnt crumble under the pressure and expectation spraling out of control and became a competent and good man
Did the pressure cause him to sleep with little girls and force himself on the maids?
I think you're mistaking Rhaenyra with Aegon.
@@joshuaadams6565So you just make stuff up and convince yourself that it's true.
@@joshuaadams6565 I mean the constant threat his mother placed on him of his sister trying to kill him, the pressure he is suppose to be king and the expectation his mom had for him to meet that and viserys being an absent father is a ball of situation that drop kicked him from the get go we could also go the same they played with rhaenyra and other ignoring patch faces stuff cause he wasnt even in kingslanding when he accused aegon of these things
@@durrangodsgrief6503bru en los libros se describe como encontaron los verdes a Aegon en la cama con una niña de 13 años, admito que su situación estaba jodidad pero su cabeza también no estaba vien
What if Aemond was killed in the cave?
What if the two sides compromised? (Two state solution)
What if Daemon was killed in the Stepstones?
What if Corlys died in the Stepstones?
Lol two state solution because they always turn out well, cough cough 😉
@@Gigipretty64 Would be interesting, at the very least.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul definitely would be that. Two states, both with dragons. Yikes! They would absolutely have to dig tunnel systems to survive...
What if Queen Aemma had lived? Lets assume she still almost dies and King Viserys decides to no longer try to have children with her.
Then daemon would be the heir (that was the plan all along while aema was alive the only reason it changed was him making fun of her d*th
@@lillypharaoh5945 So then would it pass to Baela and Rhaena or back to Jace?
@@joshuaadams6565 nope I doubt daemon wouldn't marry rhaenyra as king after laena dies since he's very obsessed with "blood of the dragon" so it would probably go to aegon the broken as it did but he wouldn't be so broken anymore and would probably make a decent king and father.
but would Baelon live or do the masters still kill him?
@@maxomat4319 I doubt the maesters did it, poisoned the dragons maybe but I doubt they k*lled the kids.
Honestly, the marriage wouldn't have been the first time a Targaryen Prince was married to an older woman... I think Maegor was 13 when married to a Lady of House Hightower, who was like 23 or something.
That said, no I don't think it was necessary for the siblings to marry (or all that super practical), BUT the bigger issue is that Rhaenyra's unwillingness to follow this part of her duty/responsibility was a huge part of the problem in everyone's side.
She didn't want to marry, and she didn't bother making any efforts in shifting her mindset. Then she's forced to marry, and its to arguably THE one man who would be a poor choice due to his sexuality.
Just saying, she dig her own hole in this one, and with Viserys unwilling to raise Aegon to be the heir... it was just terrible decision-making all around.
Spot on
Rhaenyra’s resistance to marriage was because she thought it was a ploy to have her supplanted as heir. We don’t see any sensible candidates before her and as she rightly said to her father, he didn’t marry Alicent for duty. She was right to be fed up with the double standard she was being held to. A double standard that never once made Aegon be seen as unfit to rule.
@GlenDivo She was seen as unfit to rule because she was a woman so she went out of her way to make herself seem as unsuitable as possible in protest to her father and society???
When Viserys married Alicent he fucked up and neglected his responsibilities as a ruler.
When Rhaenyra made decisions from 14 to 34 she fucked up and neglected her responsibilities as a ruler.
When Aegon the 3rd first breathed life apart from his mother he fucked up and neglected his responsibilities as a ruler. Aegon was always seen as the proper heir regardless of his marriage and infidelity, his crimes were a different situation.
@@GlenDivoWhat do you think of Viserys marrying Rhaena and Aegon? Let's say after Helena Alicent stops having kids and Viserys removes Rhaenyra as crown princess before she marries Laenor so her kids still exist and he still dies later. Viserys can marry Jace the "heir" to the Velaryons to Baela the true heir and her sister becomes the next Targaryen/Velaryon queen for Aegon while Helena marries some heir from house Baratheon or Lannister. If no one else besides the crown princes and their brides get dragons then I see the realm being a happier peaceful place. I'm going to pretend Daemon will settle for marrying Rhaenyra alone and no one actually cares about the other Velaryons. With all of the new free time Viserys, Otto and Rhaenyra have hopefully they can raise Aegon to ve a successful strong and generous nongrapey king.
Rhaenyra's best choice maybe following British Queen Elizabeth, not marry for whole life.
what would be? Either perfect union or spectaculare disaster. But whenever I think about Rhaenyra I think about Cleopatra the Great, who also had to fight for throne with brother who was much younger than her. And Cleopatra and her brother actually inherited throne together as co-rulers. They were probably married too, though he was too young to consummtaed marriage. But even if they were both joint heirs, the war ignited between them anyway. And Cleopatra conceived her first child by man outside of family, creating rival line to any potential children her brother-husband might have in future. And then her brother drowned in Nile during battle, and pregnant Cleopatra was now undisputed Pharaoh. She briefly married and co-ruled with another younger brother (again, boy in early teens and no consummation), but again boy passed before he turned 16. So - two subsequent union of joint claims to the throne didn't stop civil war nor saved life of male offspring of King.
It would be the most dysfunctional marriage. Rhaenyra would rule while Aegon slept with random women and drank himself to sleep every night. Aegon would happily take up the reigns as "King" when it came to showing off to the people but other than that Rhaenyra would run everything. Rhaenyra and Aegon would have two kids Aegon the younger and Viserys the younger and that's it. The only way this escalates into a war would be if Daemon and Rhaenyra kill Aegon which Otto would call his side to war.
true... totally agree with you
As ypu painted it sound pretty functional, yes there is not love, but both have chance to do what they want, Rhaenerya rules while Aegon whores out.
Nah if aegon isn't raised with the guillotine over his head he might become batter
Eh, still a better marriage than robbert and cersei.
It doesnt matter. Rhaenyra allows Laenor to do that so why not? And Aegon wpuld definitely comsumate the marriage. And Aegon does not want to rule, like he said.
I don’t think that Joffrey was taunting Crispin (Cristin) Cole; I think that he was sincerely trying to feel out his feelings in order to forge an understanding for all of their happiness.
In the books they were only 8 years apart in age, which wouldn't have been that big a deal if the male was the older one.
On the show it makes more sense to go with Rhaneras offer to marry Jace to Helena. Or even marry their younger son Aegon to the older Aegons daughter with Helena
Your whole things being peaceful is all dependent on Rhaeynra and Aegon having children pre Viserys dying. Viserys dies pre wedding, then the realm splits. Nobles preferring to have a young King almost of age they can manipulate almost of age than a Queen able to hold her own against their wishes.
Viserys dies post marriage while no children then they will argue to Aegon that he has the rightful claim and should be King Reagent and not King consort as Rhaenyra's age (as per the show it is 15 years) is the issue and they would support him if he wished to put her aside and rule with say Baela as consort. (bad idea but she is more of his age and has royal blood).
What if Rhaenyra and Daemon married when she was 15/16?
One of the rare few times I agreed with Otto. Also I love his “he’ll grow!😆” line to Viserys
17:06 also me: (insert gif of cop with glasses screaming at the sky meme)
Ok but the question then becomes; “what if, by the time Aegon sexual maturity, Rhaenyra can no longer bear children?” Queens have been divorced for less. Or worse.
What if rhaegar killed robert at the battle of the trident and sir arthur dayne killed ned stark at the tower of joy
Fire idea!
Jon Arryn or Hoster Tully would have took the Throne . Even if Rhaegar won at the Trident , he had way less support and armies . He dies no matter what
What if Baelon Targaryen the brave lived to become king
What if Vaegon Targaryen accepted the iron throne after his father Jaehaerys I Targaryen
The last one is weird for Vaegon Targaryen because Jaehaerys summoned Vaegon to offer him the throne be Vaegon refused it. So wonder what will happen if he accepted it.
I have been waiting for someone to do a video on this. And I think it was a good choice not the best choice but a good one.
What if Lena Velaryon had survived childbirth?
Daemon does not marry Rhaenyra. They don't have children together.
SPOILERS: Who is still alive after the dance? All Velaryon/Strong boys died. Rhaenyra and Daemon's children don't exist in this scenario. Aegon and Helena's sons died. Aegon II might have to name his daughter as his heir the way King Viserys I did.
Still a civil war. But team black would have 1-2 more dragon.
@@chingyiutang3480 The war would end in days. The Blacks would have Vhagar and probably Seasmoke. The Greens wouldn't stand a chance.
Rhaenyra is about 15 years older than Aegon. By the time he was old enough to get married AND consummate the marriage, she’d be on the verge of being past prime childbearing years.
Rhaenyra was pushing out babies by the time Aegon had bastards running around. She wouldn't be too old at all.
@@BleedingGrafitti - only because he was screwing and raping in Kings Landing when he was WAY too young to be doing ANYTHING.
@@BleedingGrafitti - and she had AT LEAST 3 kids before he even got married. My point was that she would've been wasting prime childbearing years while waiting for him to be old enough to marry and procreate.
@@carastone3473 Not really? In canon, Rhaenyra was pretty fertile. Some women have no problem having children well into their 40s. My maternal grandmother and great-grandmother had their last pregnancies in their early 50s! My mom was 41 by the time she had her last child, without ANY fertility aids. It isn't guaranteed that 40s = end of fertility. It really varies from woman to woman, and often the maternal line can be a good guide on what to expect but not always.
So lets say they marry when Aegon turns 15 or 18, Rhaenyra would just still be in her thirties and definitely be fertile
There would still be war (although not to the extent it was) because Otto didn’t want Rhaenyra to be Queen (had they married she most definitely would have died of an “accident “ and Aegon would have been the King)
Mind you Otto said that it wouldn’t matter if Rhaenyra was king Jaehaerys reborn in his mind Aegon was the heir.
He’d have been king regent and Hightower’s would not be ok with that so they’d have tried to kill her and her bastards
It doesn’t make sense for them not to tell each other the prophecy and make members of the family part of the council-that would’ve solved most of this mess.
Actually that’s an excellent point, if the whole family (just the family) knew about the prophecy then they likely would all feel important enough feeling they all had a role to play and that the greater good needed unity and dragon riders. Then they wouldn’t have fought for the throne quite as much as there would’ve been this bigger thing for them all to work towards and unite for or at least such a looming responsibility as to make it not quite so appealing to be the King/Queen. A possibility. Just my thoughts.
It doesn't make sense not to tell the world. This would have been excellent propaganda for the concept of Targaryen Exceptionalism that Jaehaerys pushed.
@@Gigipretty64 or they would have all thought themselves as the chosen one and began taking rash actions to ensure that.
@@fightingmedialounge519 yeah true, can’t rule that possibility out.
Best option. Would it be horrible? Yes, but they dont have to be together constantly, just have some heirs. Rhaenyra can have her affair with Harwin if she wants, just not having his kids, bc if she does, this time it would end horrible. Even if Aegon gets killed, Otto has part what he wanted, his blood on the throne via his grandson
Okay I got what if the series had accepted Damon's logic during their argument and actually wed him to Rhyneara
What if Aegon was able to flee to the Free Cities before Aemond and the Kingsguard were able to catch up to him?
Aegon's son would have been crowned King . The same things would happen just without Aegon and Sunfyre
Good video 👍
I like the different vids but please go back and do part 2 with the Rhaenys what if
I think Rhaenyra would manipulate Aegon. They'd have their legitimate heirs before they both agree to do whatever they like. The Hightowers would be working overtime cleaning up that mess. Then the game for the throne would begin again. Just on a much smaller scale. The Hightowers would be trying to rein in Aegon and to eventually depose of Rhaenyra. Meanwhile, Rhaenyra would be trying to isolate the Hightowers and remove them from the main power source. Everything would escalate for the Hightowers when Daemon is named Hand of the Queen.
Of their other children after the twins
2 girls visenya and alyssa
Then twin girls aerea and saera
Then twin boys baelon and gaemon
Then, 1 girl , born when rhaenyra is in her early 40s named jaehaera
this makes more sense in targaryen world and women could give birth till age of 35
what if daemon was allowed to marry rhaenyra
What if Aemond was killed in the cave?
What if viserys named aegon as his heir
What if rhaneyra died at childbirth
I think this would’ve worked perfectly for Rhae.
She wanted independence and a chance to explore her youth. She’d have at least 15 more years of freedom before having to settle down. Fertility might be an issue, though.
The other twin wouldn’t be know as Jaceaerys since that is a velaryon name lol
What about Rhaenyra marying Aegon after Laenor's death?
Aegon was already married to Helaena unfortunately.
@@BleedingGrafitti Nope she wasn't only bethroded. Aegon and Aemon talk about at funeral scene.
@@kjellduteweert9262 Oop, you're right. My bad
I feel like if this happened Rhaenyra and Daemon would definitely plot to kill Aegon right
It would be an unhappy marriage. Though if the were engaged when Aegon was young then Rhaenyra could intervene to make sure he grew up not as much of a libertine. But Rhaenyra wanted to rule while Aegon wanted to have fun, so maybe he will let her rule, and as long as they had children the succession would be assured and there wouldn't be a civil war.
What about if Viserys had Aegon marry Rhaenyra after Laenor’s death to stop Daemon from marrying his Daughter?
how about make a video of viserys never married alicent hightower and
What if Ned stark lived? Changed out with a faceless man for execution and secreted away north
What if rhaegar won the rebellion against robert and ned
Otto would have pushed for Aegon to be given the title king instead of king consort, and eventually with support of the councel would have succeeded. Rhaenyra maybe would have rulled temporaily but slowly would have been pushed aside, as more and more people would look towards Aegon (manipulated by Otto) as their ruler. Otto would have done what he always does, he would have played the long game. Rhaenyra would need to make a choice: accept this or try to get rid of Aegon which in the end might spark a war all the same. That's my take 😅
No doubt Otto would be unhappy with Aegon as a consort. However, the fact that their children will have Hightower blood running in their veins and sitting on the throne at some point would be enough to placate Otto's greed. He still gets what he wants; his blood on the throne. So there'd be no need to keep pushing Aegon to rule.
I can't help but laugh right along with Viserys when Otto proposes that Rhaenyra and Aegon get betrothed while Aegon is over there just being a baby 😂😂
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Tbf its a good idea
Or a Helaena & Jacaerys marriage.
Chad Otto
Marry Helena to Laenor
Ugh, the incest.
Leave it to GRRM to make incest seem right. In a world where a family bears magical blood and living nukes, it makes sense that they'd want to do everything to keep the power and magic away from other houses.