Scream 3 (2000) | THE CHERRY PICKER Episode 30
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- Äas pĹidĂĄn 22. 08. 2022
- đŹ It's time for another Scream podcast, this time the infamously campy third instalment. In this episode we will discuss why Scream 3 deserves a lot more recognition than it receives, but also why it is still deeply flawed, and all of the changes that could have been done to make it better. This includes everything from the unremarkable opening scene featuring Cotton Weary, to the wasted potential of Sidney's deteriorating mental health from being isolated for so long. Mostly, we just have a really fun time revisiting the story and all of the characters, which felt like we could have gone on for another two hours. We still left room for The Cherry Picker nominations though, because of course, we have to choose which character we think was most deserving to die.
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Best parker Posey line.
"you can't kill me, I'm the killer in stab 3"
Parker Posey carried the film. Sucks she died.
Eddie's Mrs. Vorhees/Sidney's Mom speech was amazing!
2hrs+ discussing what I consider a very underrated and my personal favorite Scream sequel⌠hell yea Mr Cherry!
Omgsh I've found my people!!! Scream 3 is my fave!
My favorite too! Let's start a cult lol?
You took the words out of my mouth . Scream 3 is so much fun and probably the one I go back to the most .
I do love scream 3 I used to hate it
FINALLY found my peopleđđť I as well LOVE Scream 3 and find myself rewatching it many times!
I like the idea of Angelina being a killer with Roman promising her fame and fortune and then Roman actually killing her, like betraying her so it would be just him in the end getting the spotlight and the fame. He's not the type to want to share fame with someone else but he used her to help him with his dirty work and then once he got everyone to the mansion he didn't need her anymore and killed her.
Or he killed her in front of others so they think sheâs dead, like the 6th movie and the sister faking her death. Itâs the only death we really see in the series that there are witnesses to.
One reason I have for thinking Angelina was one of the killers and escaped is that we see her body being dragged away. Ghostfaces don't generally bother moving bodies after killing them unless to create some sort of scare to others (Casey, Himbry, Kenny).
It was touching when they clasped hands after she kills Roman. Their mother twisted both their lives up, though Roman took the wrong road, but they have that shared history.
Tbf Zack as much as many people come to your channels for Scream content (which is great) I must admit I've enjoyed your videos on other horror movies too like when you figured out who destroyed the blood bank in The Thing and ranking horror villain masks! Personally I would love to see you do a countdown of your top 50 horror movies one day or a countdown of your favourite horror movie kills đ
Donât care what anyone says I will always watch this movie with Angelina as the second killer. It just makes so much more sense with her as the accomplice.
Falling asleep to Patrick Warburton!!! đđđ me every night I used to fall
Asleep watching Family Guy!!!
Scream 3 is honestly above the second and fifth one for me. Itâs so fun and Parker Posey as Jennifer is the best thing Iâve ever seen. And tbh 4 is my favorite of the franchise. I like it better than the first one.
You must be a young teen surely?
@@Michael-cz6ob that has nothing to do with anything
I'm fascinated by how many people like Jennifer. I'm not judging your opinion, I just can't stand her character. She's honestly the only character I dislike in the entire franchise.
Always so hyped when my boys talk about Scream. Even if it's discussing something negative I can feel the passion and love for the franchise. Amazing episode as always. Love you guys stay healthy and take care! â¤ď¸
Michael Myers is soon gonna be stalking with a Zimmer frame đđđđžđ
19:43 that Christine reference sounds great, I would love to see that
I just listened to Lynn Mkree on Craven, she's a brilliant person đđžđ
On one hand, this is quite fun - on the other, it feels more R-rated Scooby-Doo goes to Hollywood than a Scream movie.
The idea of a Stab 2 Cameo by Parker would be great. Especially since I could see this going back to âHorror Sequelsâ or âReboot Sequelsâ, so Stab 2 making an appearance now would probably make more sense than any time before.
Great episode! Scream 3 really has become my comfort movie. I also LOVED Eddie's impression of Jennifer Jolie đ
Already episode 30 keep up the good work zack and Eddie
Thank you!
Canât explain how much I love this duo!! Love all things horror and could listen to you two going back and forth for days!! On the note of the plot being similar to the Weinstein events - I read an article (I think?!) that stated there was a supposed fall out between Wes and one of the Weinstein brothers - the article theorised that Wes put that storyline in there to shine a light on the Weinsteins/what they were doing! No idea if this is correct but it always made sense to me and stuck out in my mind! Canât wait for you two to drop the review of season 3 of Buffy đđ˝đ¤
3 is the only one I haven't seen yet, I just love you guys and can't wait to watch this until after I watch it. This is great news before work!
Roman telling Sidney to have somebody to blame it on makes it seem like a second killer somewhere
Very good point. Nice detail.
Can't wait to watch this later. Hopefully Zack can make so sense of Roman pointlessly going through the trouble of faking his death. Also that Window scene with Sids mum literally freaks me out to this day!
scream 3 severed camp and God it's so good and beautiful I love it
2 hours. You two are a blessing
Single White Female is streaming on Prime video if anyone is looking to watch!
my god eddie around the 32:30 mark scared my sleeping dog đ
This podcast Rules...Both of you are absolutely hilarious, but what sets the Pod apart is you both have so much knowledge of horror movies in general. well done!
Great episode! Can't wait until you guys get to Scream 4!
Scream 3 holds a special place in my heart because it was the first one I saw. My dad got it for my 12th bday party, he thought I'd seen the first 2...I hadn't lol. None of my friends had seen the first 2 either, but we watched this one and were just scared enough to make it good, and the comic relief from Jennifer is top tier. I just hate they killed Jennifer off. I fell in love with this movie and watched it over and over to the point where I know all the dialog! I saw the 1st and 2nd when I was 14 or 15 and I remember thinking, "wow no wonder the Casey Becker scene is talked about like it is, that was terrifying"
Her fence is electrified, you can see the wire on top of the wood as she walks away
Love your streams đđđžđ I'm always in hysterics đ đ đ
Iâve always really enjoyed this movie, I just canât hate it itâs such a fun ride. I wish Cotton didnât die though, love his character đ¤Ł
I fully agree with Eddie's ranking I just can't see any world where 3 isn't the worst film for me
It is so messy isn't it? I do like certain small scenes in it like the environment setting of a stab set where Sidney gets attacked (even tho its obvious the killer is in 2 places at once) and I kinda like how they atleast kept some kind of storytelling going from the previous 2 movies with Roman being linked in some way to the original killers and Sids mum. The characters trying to do some detective work too was different and fun. I would put it probably as the 4th worst one with Scream 4 being last. Reason for it is I think Scream 4 literally adds nothing to the story neither is there any character development, suspense or good chase scenes. The opening scene is the weakest by far and the kills.. Well put it this way if you're being stabbed with a knife I'm certain you would be terrified in unimaginable pain but in Screma 4 alot of the characters just die with some unfunny one liner on their lips. If you took Scream 4 put of the franchise you wouldn't even notice anything is amiss
The Stab fan club of Ghostface killers was a brilliant idea.
My ranking is 2, 1, 3, 5 and last 4. Three so had 2 killers for sure no matter what the creepy brothers say and good on Wes with his f you bits đđđžđ
2, 1, 3/4, 5
3 and 5 before 4 is insane actually
Couldnât wait for this episode, currently watching at work. I do agree with Eddie that they couldâve really went more in depth about roman. How did he find Billy? A scene where he meet Maureen and her closing him out. The reveal of who Casey unmasked before her killing. Idk they really couldâve made 3 or 4 a prequel of the events of what happened the year Maureen got killed. The opening couldâve been the night that she was taken advantage of in Hollywood
The Scream Comedy film: Does comedy better than the next sequel
Looking forward to watching this :)!
My ranking is 2,1,6,3,4,5 . I put number to first because the reveal at the end was awesome for me "Billys Mother" totally caught me off guard. I put number five last because of the lack of Chase scenes, killing Dewey.
God that impression was epic
I always liked Neil's presence in the first and third film. He's a character I'd love to see return. Scream 4's theatrical version never really specified what happened to him. They could easily bring him back in some way. Also, I want to see Hank Loomis again.
How about a film based on the surviving parents of the original cast, and call it SHHHH
I kind of just assumed he died somewhere between 3 and 4.
01:41:30 Eddie coming in with the Eric Bogosian reference FTW đ¤
How dare you put 4 at the bottom of your ranking
Parker Posey is a vampire, no need to deage, she just needs supply of blood. speaking as someone who knew her assistant back in the day
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I go back and forth on whether 3 or 4 is the worst in this franchise (worst being a relative term, as they're both better than 98% of slasher sequels).
3 was, and still, is the one that disappoints me the most. It never raises my heart rate or gets me on the edge of my seat. The quality of the writing is a sharp drop from the first two (and also goes to show that generating suspense is as much a part of the script as it is the direction). There are a handful of solid comedy moments - the scene with Carrie Fisher is great, and Parker Posey rules the movie. I also appreciate the blunt acknowledgement of the movie industry's exploitation of women. However, the climactic soap opera twist killer reveal deeply annoys me (even more than it did at the climax of 2), and I just can't care about what happens after that. With that said, it does seem like everyone involved tried their hardest to make this movie as good as it is.
However, Zack makes a lot of excellent points about why 4 is the worst one. I will get to that when you both do.
Always a pleasure to watch these videos. I CAN'T WAIT for the Buffy Season 1 breakdown!!!
Scream 3 is so so messy filled with plot holes but I would still rank it above scream 4 just because it still has storytelling going foreward which links all 3 of the original trilogy together and gives us closure to the story and there is character development to work with still with the big 3. Scream 4 just doesn't have anything new to add to the story that links it to the original 3 movies and has no Character development or suspense. Having many of the death scenes end in an unfunny one liners too was just cringey. That Trevor character also was just a total miscast for me. Plus the killers just like in the 5th one are just that..just more killers. Nothing that adds to the story its just OK random person puts on ghostface costume and kills people again. You could just do that over and over it's very weak
5:07 - 6:03 Amen Zack, amen!
For a long time I liked Scream 3 the least.
Now when I know the story behind it's troubled production I am so impressed how good it is.
Sure, Scream 3 is still the most frustrating watch in the franchise.
Knowing it could be sooooo much better makes feel devastated at times :D
Sometimes I can just have fun with it, sometimes I am not able not to focus on all it's issues.
But at the end it is a Wes Craven movie, and for me - a big fan, it has plenty of Craven's goodness in it :)
Any time the "Harruh!" gets dropped on this show, it never fails to make me laugh or smile, and say it along with yall
Haven't watched yet but I'm so excited for this one!!! This was the one I saw the most growing up and then the first. I dodnt see scream 2 for a while and then have only see it a few times. I love scream 3, and I dont understand the hate. Yes its more comical but I like it. Will comment after too!
They need to make a Scream where there's three or more killers (just three to be safe) and have the characters talking about how brutal and how many people are dying, there being three killers covering more ground and pulling off more kills cause three heads are better than two. They need something really fresh or the content will eventually get stale.
I have to think of my ranking but 4 is definitely my last. I fall asleep everytime I watch it for some reason. Of course I love all of them!! It just seems different looking, it's darker visually on the screen idk. It just doesn't seem like the same aestetic as the first 3 and not in a good way.
4 is anything but boring. That movie is just a crazy ride starting from the opening with all the fake outs. I've seen complaints about the 4th one but it definitely isn't boring.
After hearing Zack talk about if they have to have something from "Stab" show us Parker Posey as Jennifer Jolie... HELL FUCKING YES! Although it would be Parker Posey playing Jennifer Jolie playing Gale Weathers so it most likely won't have the same comedic value, I'd love to see some scenes from "Stab 2" since the only movies in the "Stab" franchise we've seen is "Stab", "Stab 6", "Stab 7" and "Stab 8". I'd love to see scenes from the other films.
As for Eddie's casing of Laurie Metcalf's daughter as "Stab Mrs Loomis", I'm all for it! Yes please!
Yes yes.
Cherry Picker
Kincaid is a detective and it is literally his job to investigate people so IT IS NOT A CREEPER FILE
To me Scream 3 isnât even a horror movie. Maybe itâs the setting, or the story, or the humour, but itâs just not scary or horrific. Itâs really just a murder mystery. Itâs like if someone was trying to modernize an Agatha Christie novel. Scream 3 is Wes Cravenâs Murder on the Orient Express.
By the way what are the rules of making a trilogy anyway? Because I never thought the movie did an adequate job explaining it. It seemed like more of a personal opinion than a fact.
Hot take: Talking about Roman's motive and plan makes me realize that this is why I don't really love Scream 4, because, although I will say it's done better, Jill's plan is basically Roman's plan just better executed.
Considering he's on his own I think Roman did ok
Don't say stupid things, Scream 4 is great.
1:12:40. Best part đđ
The ghost Mom needed to go. Period. Other than that it's a fun ride of a movie.
Can`t wait to see which characters from Scream 4 that you guys will pick next.
Her going to to Sid high school wouldâve made more sense. In my mind she couldâve been the girl with the brown hair in scream 1 bathroom scene and theyâve made Judy character the cheerleader. Or they couldâve made the cheerleader Sam and Tara mom in scream 5
I like Scream 3. Itâs good but the fact that Roman was the âbrainsâ behind everything pissed me off. It totally negates Billy and Stuâs importance and turns them into easily manipulated puppets. Meh, donât like that. I preferred Stu being susceptible to Billyâs manipulation rather than have them both being Romanâs bitches.
However, being a horror fan forever, not much scares me, like at all BUT I must say the nightmare stuff with Maureen is scary as shit!! Just creepy and very unsettling!!! đłđłđł
Loving the pod fellas.
It doesn't take away from Billy and Stu. If anything it adds an element to their story that wasn't there prior. Roman is how they found out about Maureen in the first place.
That's not at all what happened. He just gave Billy a nudge to kill Maureen.
Everything else was all Billy.
He only showed Billy his movie and gave him some pointers, Billy and Stu had to actually plan out Maureen's murder and it was their idea to do the whole Ghostface thing we see in Scream. So Roman was far from the brains
@@strifenineteen People give way too much credit to Roman.
The Weinsteins "we want this to be about us." Proceeds to make a movie about a girl being raped in Hollywood.....đ¤Śââď¸
I do think Sidney and Roman fight the best finale showdown of the franchise.
Hey there, really enjoyed the video! would love to get these as audio only, are you on audea?
You can find audio versions, the RSS feed, and links to stream the show on several podcast platforms here: thecherrypicker.buzzsprout.com
@@thecherrypicker nice! thanks!
My rankings from a big Scream fan:
Scream 1
Scream 3
Scream 5
Scream 2
Scream 4
What about Scream 6!?
I wonder why Billy never told Sydney that Roman was her brother as Billy and Roman knew each other from the first film even though it wasnât referenced. Why did Roman not tell Billy about who Sydney was to him ??
Just started watching these two! I love these guys! Just a couple of good olâ gays. The older one doing the ENTIRE Friday the 13th remake monologue đ omfg. And then the mommy dearest references? Yea I belong here and scream 3 is dope.. so good đ¤đť my ultimate order is chronological 1, 2, 3, 4, 5!
I honestly never thought I would come around to Scream 3. I think that the sheer disappointment of the 4th installment assisted that.
Honestly, Scream 3 just looks so damn *beautiful*. The cinematography actually makes Los Angeles look so lush and inviting. Neve Campbell gives her absolute best performance in this and she just feels so real. This is the first and only time in the franchise that Sidney didn't feel invincible in the final act. I truly believed at one point that she had died. I really do love this film now but I was so upset as a kid when I first watched it because of all the goofy elements to it...it felt like the franchise that I loved and defended against all the adults I knew who dismissed it as a silly set of films was kind of confirmed to be just that after viewing this with them.
P.S I started following David Arquette on instagram last year and overnight he followed me back (probably thinking he knew me) and when I went to check this after seeing the update, he had unfollowed me lol. I was the most validated Scream fan for a hot minute and then it all got taken away.
So Roman was going to kill Dewey and Gale as well so the only one to tell the story would be him.
If he was, he wasn't doing a very good job of it haha
Clearly we know why Edward didnât have synopsis preparedâŚhe was too busy with his Freddy Vs Jason Mommy Dearest speech
Sorry but I disagree with like everything negative you said lol. When I rented this on DVD in 2004, I envisioned the movie I wanted to see in my head, and the movie delivered it to a T.
This showed up in my notifications and i (high as fuck) just shoulted ABSOFUCKINGLOUTELY. I dont know where i got that phrase from
Sex & the City.
A more interesting film would've been Ghost face somehow using Sid's job to harass her. Scratch the whole Hollywood crap. Set it around Sid and Ghostface and her job as a crisis counselor. It would cap the trilogy off perfectly. Sid is trying to move on but the killer is trying to destroy the last way she feels she can help others but in the end she comes out even stronger and moves on to help people in person, by name.
If itâs not Kirby or Stu this is gonna suck
MaureenâŚ.
For the character, the devil is really in the details.
Tatum said it best âMaybe your mom was just an unhappy woman.â
And yes Tatum, she was.
I am siding with Zach here. Maureen couldnât have been a very warm woman. I think what Sidney is remembering is the good times because she lost her mom so young and abruptly.
Maureen wanted more and it seems she never got it. Iâm sure plenty of people try to make it in Hollywood and it doesnât pan out but to never mention it? I know it could be framed that she never wanted to talk about the abuse and the baby but I also see it as her not being able to realize her dream and now pretending like it didnât happen.
Now sheâs in this marriage with a nice man and she has money but she still isnât happy. She seemed bored and desperate for a thrill.
As Tatum said âshe heard about the affair beforeâ in regards to Cotton. Maureen was starved for attention. So it does not seem farfetched that she fawned over herself.
âFlashing her shit around town like she was Sharon Stoneâ like Billy reminded us.
And to slam the door in the face of a kid you gave away without even hearing him out. Itâs very telling of the character within.
I liked this deep dive of the movie and happy yaâll focused on Maureen because although I donât think she deserved to be butchered. She really wasnât a sympathetic character.
Scream 4 is like the 2nd best film for me so seeing it get slandered is making me triggered lol
In the Neil and Sidney scene IMO I think stuff was definitely cut out in the final edit. I didn't find it too difficult to understand why he would ask his daughter if she was referring to her mother. In the whole conversation he expressed concern for her and I just thought he was confused because the "her" could be perceived as Sidney herself. The events of Scream 1 and 2 traumatized Sidney to the point of isolation and I think it's fair for him to ask for clarification because what if Sidney was asking her father if he missed the old her, the Sidney he used to know before she was traumatized.
So why would Sidney say "Do you ever think about her?" If she were referring to herself?
Just seems like a weird way to phrase it to me.
@@Joker_JAK I agree. It is a weird phrasing. It's just a way I could interpret the conversation. I never said it was the correct way to see it. I think some of the lines written in this Scream movie were a little odd.
I am with Zack on the hate for a Stu come back but I would actually really like if Angelina was Sam and Tara`s mom, or even Amber or be related to any character in scream 6 in some way. It would be absurd and funny.
Don't say stupid things.
Here's my theory about Roman thinking Cotton knew where Sidney was. Cotton was working on Stab 3. So he probably met Roman. Maybe Roman asked Cotton if he could get Sidney to cameo in the film. Cotton being the way he is would be like "Oh. Of course. I know Sidney and could get her to do that." Basically he would give Roman the idea that he knew Sid's whereabouts, even though he didn't.
I actually really like the voice changer. It's one of my favorite things about the movie. The voice changer from the first film isn't real either. It's a voiceover by Roger Jackson. Time Machines didn't exist in the 80s, but no one complains about Back to the Future.
Also, I really don't understand the love Jennifer gets. For me, she's the most annoying character in the entire franchise and I can't stand her. She's really the only character I don't like in all of Scream.
1, 5, 2, 4, 3 for me.
And 6!?
52:56 omg that laugh was so fake and seemed forced lol
I actually like scream 3 even more than scream 2
With the Milton storyline I always felt like instead of some unconscious or unintentional thing like you guys suggested, that it was either Wes, Krueger, or both that very intentionally put that in there as a statement about Weinstein. Obviously at the time of filming it wasn't public knowledge but I guarantee insiders, especially someone as important as Wes Fucking Craven, knew a lot about him & others like him. Because imo, with how on-the-nose all of the things about Milton are, there's no way it isn't a direct criticism of Harvey Weinstein. When you think about little things like the fact that when the whole "sleeping with someone to get the part" trope is done in film it's almost exclusively the director whom is being the creep, not a producer.
No way anybody's making it this far but: I had so hoped one of y'all would mention this when you started talking about Parker's death scene. When she's banging on the backside of the mirrors you can see that the mirrors but perpendicularly up against a wall, the wall which Ghostface is slowly backing her into. When Dewey starts shooting he starts with the mirror furthest from Parker and then shoots each mirror subsequently in order until reaching the one that Parker was killed behind, and she falls through. Now we have already established that on one side of where she was is a wall and on the opposite side is Ghostface. We also know that, based on the scene's editing, Ghostface is in the process of dispatching Ms. Jolie WHILE Dewey's shooting out the mirrors. So why in the fuck don't we see Ghostface going back in the direction in which he and her had come from?! It's driven me nuts since I saw it in theater.
God this comment's so long I feel like I should end it like a pretentious filmmaker:
Fin.
Dude they did Roman wrong in 2022. Billy started it??? Lol
Scream 3 over the I Know What You Did Last Summers?
Of course!
Even the worst Scream film (Scream 3 for me) is better than most 90's horror trash.
If Scream had a Showtime or HBO series instead of Netflix, like the new Pretty Little Liars Original Sin, or Yellowjackets, would love to see the younger Mrs. Loomis, and Sam & Tara's mom going to school along with young Sidney, Billy, Tatum, Randy, and Stu
Cherry picker
I think you are misinformed about the file Kincaid has on Sidney rather than believing that itâs a creeper file remember that he is a police detective so he is allowed to have files on people
SCR3AM!?
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
I have the exact same ranking as Eddie, except I think I have a lot more love for all the movies than him. đ¤Ł
-Scream is my favorite movie. Perfection.
-Scream 2022
-Scream 2 & 4 are interchangeable, depending on my mood.
-Scream 3 is at the bottom, but still a solid movie. I went through a period of being a hater ass bitch, but now I think itâs a really fun time.
Two gay CZcams horror movie buffs
Fun movie. Not scary at all. Kind of like Freddie's Dead.
I hate to be rude, but can you tell e how to get your videos from automatically playing every time I put on any kind of a music video. Without fail, right after, another video of yours pulls up. Iâm in my house doing things and canât stop and I gotta hear this man and his awful so not funny imitations that are just spine tinging terrible while the other one pretends then to be funny even though he knows theyâre not. Iâm gonna lose my mind. Please let me know how to stop this!
Only film in the franchise I don't like. The acting is just way to over the top and doesn't work for me. I think the only characters I like in this film are Sidney, Dewey, Randy and Cotton.
Cotton weary in jail murder Sidney mother Maureen Prescott
Cotton weary in jail murder Sidney Prescott mother
*Randy dies in Scream 2*
Me: đđł
*Jennifer dies in Scream 3*
Me: đąđĽşđĄđ¤Źđ˘đ¨đ
Don't disrespect Randy.
Cherry Picker
Kincaid is a detective and it is literally his job to investigate people so IT IS NOT A CREEPER FILE