Dry Pack Mortar for Shower: Tile Coach Episode 27

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  • čas přidán 23. 01. 2019
  • Watch me float a shower floor on a slab foundation with a kerdi-line drain. Some people call it "Dry Pack", some call it "Deck Mud", but basically it is the best way to build a base for a shower.
    Using sand and cement and a little bit of water, the tile setter will create a mortar that is easier to screed, shape, and slope than traditional "wet" mortar or "fat mud". Watch the step by step process of creating the best shower base possible.
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Komentáře • 205

  • @ulfarorarson3885
    @ulfarorarson3885 Před 3 lety +9

    Such an inspiration! I'm a programmer in Iceland dealing with a seriously faulty house i bought and am fixing the upstairs guest bathroom... you are my goto source of help!! Thank you thank you!!

  • @michaelcampos75
    @michaelcampos75 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video, I'm a drywaller by trade and always watch how you guys make it look easy, all in the experience i say, plus the dense shield is a great water resistant board.

  • @StarrTile
    @StarrTile Před 5 lety +5

    Nice clean work..good job
    LOL@ 4:40, born & raised native Californian👍

    • @StarrTile
      @StarrTile Před 5 lety

      yes sir...and the thick skin 👍😎

  • @AndresRodriguez-sm1fr
    @AndresRodriguez-sm1fr Před 4 lety +2

    I use the same method just picking your ideas , and doing different methods . I am also from California . I agree the level does not lie . I say the same stuff I am good . I like seeing different videos on tile work all the time I pick something new or a way to do something else different . good job homies.

  • @russelsprouts4240
    @russelsprouts4240 Před 4 lety

    Good Job Ron that is some nice looking dry pac, i like it.

  • @jamesabbe3141
    @jamesabbe3141 Před 2 lety

    Absolutely amazing, you are truly an artist. I really enjoy watching as you and your team transform the ordinary and sometimes what seems as if an impossibility into someone’s personal delight. Always amazed. Keep up the excellent work. And by the way some of us Texas folk think that we have the only real way of doing things, not always what the norm might be for everyone else.. Ha Ha Ha.

  • @mattmills4651
    @mattmills4651 Před 5 lety +3

    I love drypack in Philly we call wet bed its surprising not many installers know how to do it right I like watching your videos and we have a strong union presence here still I worked with union tile guys they do know the right way

  • @wolenv
    @wolenv Před 2 lety

    You're the Bob Ross of dry pack mortar lol 11/10

  • @armandorodriguez146
    @armandorodriguez146 Před 4 lety

    Isaac great video always learning from you

  • @charlieconustedes9969
    @charlieconustedes9969 Před 5 lety +9

    You are right about big guys and how we would approach floating this, I’m 6’3 I would set 1 screed at the back and float off the line drain do it all from outside the shower

  • @rainmaker3700
    @rainmaker3700 Před 4 lety +7

    First thing I do is pour a 1/2" of lever quick, makes for a perfect surface surface to build the drypack off of. Plus, dry pack bonds to it like a champ if you apply it while the level quick is still green.

  • @ryancoulter7681
    @ryancoulter7681 Před 5 lety +3

    Nice work Isaac! I like the attention to detail! I overheard you mention floating a wall for a video idea. You should do it. I still do when needed, ie out of plumb walls. I don't believe in wet shimming or spending the time to add a bunch of strapping.

  • @joserobertoportillo9179

    Great job in the floor 👏

  • @FixthisCD
    @FixthisCD Před 5 lety +2

    Very cool. one day I will attempt this

  • @DRopout1943
    @DRopout1943 Před 3 lety

    Top notch dry packing 👍

  • @JB-wx1mz
    @JB-wx1mz Před 5 lety +2

    Over here in New England a lot of guys call it "pouring" a pan. I was raised calling it "packing" a pan. Everytime I do one I say never again! I'm switching to foam! I'm sure it makes it easier when you have a helper though

  • @mattheizer8054
    @mattheizer8054 Před 5 lety +1

    Nice to see that some CZcams contractors show how to do it right. I’m a Tile setter in California too working primarily in the north Bay Area. I love working with fat mud and deck mud and do so it almost every situation.

  • @hots4jc
    @hots4jc Před 2 lety

    I saw a guy use bricks instead of a board with the Kurdey product, and then he mortared it. Genius! No rot there.

  • @davegoss3908
    @davegoss3908 Před 5 lety

    Super refreshing to have someone on you tube teaching that actually knows what they are talking about ! I’m stuck in my safe space with pan liners but this is best of both worlds , custom slope and Kerdi. Thanks man.

  • @tbasshandyman7610
    @tbasshandyman7610 Před 3 lety +2

    I've always used fine sand and portland. For pre slope and mud floors. I use mortar for brick and block work laying

  • @nitro7726
    @nitro7726 Před 3 lety

    great video. very informative.

  • @hectorrios6255
    @hectorrios6255 Před rokem

    You’re doing it right Brother man that old school way is the best way that’s when people used to work hard to Learn that trade right n when you get to the point every project you will do it Pride because you earn good job brother men

  • @joserobertoportillo9179

    Beautiful joints in the corner 😍

  • @heribertolgonzalez4985

    Nice work you do right.

  • @Dtileandremodeling
    @Dtileandremodeling Před 5 lety +1

    I can’t agree with you more about the (pour the pan) !!!
    Anyone who says that isn’t a tile guy or doesn’t know any better.
    I call it pack the shower base.
    By the way I am more of a foam guy since I am half way to a wheel chair,but I do mud when needed.
    Comedy show there in this video !

  • @JR-kv6fk
    @JR-kv6fk Před 4 lety +1

    Great video really helped me out alot, noticed how you use both front and back edge of the box edges. Right on!!

  • @prsaye
    @prsaye Před 2 lety

    Thank for the info about foam pans not used with 2" or less tile. I did not catch that anywhere else.

  • @brandonevans3467
    @brandonevans3467 Před 5 lety +4

    you might have addressed the question before but do you use 4to1, laticrete 209, sand topping mix?

  • @javiersaavedra41
    @javiersaavedra41 Před 5 lety +3

    Was very good video I have a question how much cost a shower of this size includes demo materials and finish the job?

  • @filroy77
    @filroy77 Před rokem

    Thanks for this vid. My shower is almost exactly like this. I have a bit of existing finish floor inside the pit that I have to contend with.

  • @Apexjasonmorganllc
    @Apexjasonmorganllc Před 3 lety +2

    Nice mud work I do it the same exact way. Love seeing tile guys that still know how to use drypack.

  • @7colliemac
    @7colliemac Před 10 měsíci

    Perfect job.. 👍🏼

  • @Hhhhhhlllll
    @Hhhhhhlllll Před 5 lety +4

    Compared to other tile CZcamsrs your chill and explain stuff and actually have a good camera and no sped up video which is nice and no crappy music. I don't know but your going to gain alot of more subs in within this year good vibes

    • @jv17518
      @jv17518 Před 3 lety

      100 percent. A video thats actually helpful

  • @sssmithforever4
    @sssmithforever4 Před 3 lety +2

    Just curious, and maybe the follow-up tasks will show the answer... But I didn't see a the waterproof pan underneath the concrete or the drypack. What will you be relying on for the water proofing under the tile?

  • @1960snapper
    @1960snapper Před 4 lety +4

    After watching a few of your videos, I am now a new subscriber ! Could I please ask what the proper ratio of portland, sand, and water is to make a "dry pack mortar" for a shower base ? I am wanting to remove a tub unit and put in a tile shower. I really do enjoy watching a "perfectionist" at work, and I believe you are just that ! Thank you much !! Bill in Missouri

  • @thenorthshore6472
    @thenorthshore6472 Před 5 lety

    Third generation pure blood dago tile setter here. Learned the trade over 35 years ago. Passed down by my father and grandfather. Here in Michigan I dry pack most all my floors. We call it "pulling mud" and "pulling screeds". Still the best most solid level floors going! Nice job Isaac...great work!

    • @thenorthshore6472
      @thenorthshore6472 Před 5 lety

      Isaac Ostrom when I started we'd use the old oil soaked 'rib' lath (don't think it's made anymore) and scratch coat wall mud. (40lb bag of lime, 94 lb bag of Portland and 35 shovels of sharp sand) we'd then level the walls with a second coat using 'screed sticks' leveled with a screed of wall mud, with a pinch of baking soda. The baking soda set it up almost instantly so it'd harden to 'pull' off of. I still have one old builder who has me do it this way. Sometimes well pull wall mud over drywall where the scratch coat isn't needed. The rib lath method went over tarpaper and bare studs. I'll also do Durock, Hardie, Wonderboard and the others but still kinda set in my ways. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Lol But I dig the new methods. Definitely time savers!

    • @thenorthshore6472
      @thenorthshore6472 Před 5 lety

      Isaac Ostrom galvanized diamond lath today but years ago a thicker oil soaked rib lath was common. It was more rigid and held up better for the scratch coat. Haven't seen it sold in years though.

  • @trabajadoraenconstruccionu739

    Good job!

  • @augustosouza9711
    @augustosouza9711 Před rokem

    excellent job! What kind of material did you use to make this flooring?

  • @Teachingvideo2024
    @Teachingvideo2024 Před 3 lety

    Great job hey i need to know how to do the curb shower and if i can put board inside edge and if i can nail it on top?

  • @Rayram555
    @Rayram555 Před 5 lety

    I enjoy your videos . You are a great tradesman. You have honed your skills. Thank You.

  • @jimilormand9242
    @jimilormand9242 Před 5 lety

    hey,,,I lived in California five times as my Dad was career Navy then Army,,,so I can learn from your skills and abilities,,, I have studied methods and ways my entire life,,,and still learn new ways,,, I never did a walk in shower,,but have one to do at FraggleRock5243,,, my own project start to finish after the excavation...foundation,, basement and chimney,,it has been just me,,, and in Winter,,I wait for Spring,,, watching videos,, and pretending,,, Thanks for sharing

  • @edmuscree21
    @edmuscree21 Před 4 lety

    Splendid

  • @LP_1246
    @LP_1246 Před 5 lety

    Nice job and good verbal instructions 4 diyers

  • @derricks3918
    @derricks3918 Před 5 lety +1

    I just want to let you know you’re a great mechanic but you don’t need to constantly talk about how awesome you are. Glad to see another mud man keeping at it.

    • @derricks3918
      @derricks3918 Před 5 lety

      Isaac Ostrom I was taught to play dumb and never talk about how good you are even when you know it. It’s easier to surprise a client with you skill then to fall short when you boast. One of these days I will post videos. What type of camera do you use ?

    • @derricks3918
      @derricks3918 Před 5 lety

      Are you a tile geek ?

  • @marcleblanc7021
    @marcleblanc7021 Před 2 lety

    Thank you Tile coach! Finally someone that explains and knows how to talk and explain their work. You ruined it for me, lol just kidding. Because after watching your videos, and trying to watch some of these other channels fumble threw what the teaching, they repeat in different orders. And before they know it. They confused the hell out of themselves.Its awful!! Again thanks for all your hard work that goes into making amd editing your videos. #1 Coach out there!!! Tile Coach!!

  • @eyeballengineering7007

    I learned from an old lesbian tile lady. But it's been 15 years. I wanted a refresher before I did my shower, thanks.

  • @user-qx1wl2um2k
    @user-qx1wl2um2k Před rokem +1

    I never could understand the purpose of using dry pack as opposed to a mixture that is just a little more wet. I don't trust it to set up completely. I "poured" a shower pan that is 4'x7' on an above grade concrete slab with a sticky mix. I used red guard water proofing, tiled it and it has never leaked. It's been 12 yrs.

  • @Cormack88
    @Cormack88 Před 3 lety

    Question. Can i use (CUSTOM LevelQuik Primer acrylic latex) on slab on grade rather than doing a slurry coat in preparation for drypack installation?

  • @bigskyab
    @bigskyab Před 4 lety +2

    ya breathing hard ronny? hey dude....I have been in floor covering for 23 years..carpet and vinyl...done a ton of flat lay tile...mostly kitchens and entry ways, laundry rooms and baths....as I approach my 50s im seriously considering getting into tile only...I have a buddy willing to show me wall and shower lay out and install...I appreciate yer videos and think that you do a great job representing quality installs and the trade in general...we all have failures and never learn from the success'...yer a cool dude..thanks for yer benevolence.

  • @jew_world_order
    @jew_world_order Před 5 lety

    won't water pool at the corners where the drain sits? They can't really be angled towards the drain either because that would make the tile sit crooked? Or do you slope that at about an inch also and just deal with the tile looking angled?

  • @emmanuelespinoza8950
    @emmanuelespinoza8950 Před 4 lety +1

    Is the mud flush with the edge of drain?

  • @allengilby3054
    @allengilby3054 Před 5 lety +2

    I’ve always wanted a set of box edges.

  • @reedrobb
    @reedrobb Před 3 lety +1

    We tore out a shower pan a few years ago that must have been poured with concrete instead of deck mud over the rubber Oaty liner. After a few years it had wicked up the walls and started to destroy the framing. The single door opening swelled so bad the door would drag and the curb was cracked. What a mess in this beautiful home.

  • @tylershort9312
    @tylershort9312 Před 5 lety +6

    I’ve almost finished my trade 4th year tiling, I’m 6ft 7 and from Australia lol

    • @eco_guardian
      @eco_guardian Před 3 lety

      And your last name is 'short' - Aussies are so hot!!

  • @nitro7726
    @nitro7726 Před 3 lety

    what is the reason for not laying down foam? is it harder to do or does it literally just involve gluing down a sheet of foam board?

  • @ejn967
    @ejn967 Před rokem

    Great video but curious why you didnt use the foam support that goes under the Kerdi-Line drain?

  • @588158
    @588158 Před 5 lety +1

    are you using mason sand or sharp sand? it looks to smooth for sharp sand.

    • @jcs5790
      @jcs5790 Před 4 lety +1

      Exactly. Nowhere seems to specify which sand to use, only "sand".

  • @gcn7589
    @gcn7589 Před 3 lety

    If its a concrete floor should a sheet of floor membrane be put down before floating the pan?? Thanks

  • @Helpingmillions
    @Helpingmillions Před 10 měsíci

    If i mix up a slurry will it bond to modified thinset

  • @ematz9233
    @ematz9233 Před 2 lety

    Nice vid!! Can you make a video how to correctly mix dry pack?

  • @tilehelperdan
    @tilehelperdan Před 5 lety

    Now that is some pretty mud brother. Nice fine sand and an almost fluffy consistency out of the bucket. Some of the bagged shit is like pulling pea gravel. Are you exclusively using kerdi now? I like the sheet membranes well enough but can't get passed the thought that scratching out a bleeder on the pan could cause a leak.

  • @nachocheezy26
    @nachocheezy26 Před 4 lety +1

    I learn a lot from you California way is the only way

  • @juliopenagos7969
    @juliopenagos7969 Před 3 lety

    Is the process the same if the subfloor is plywood?

  • @danielswart8855
    @danielswart8855 Před rokem

    Can you dry pack on top of tile? Do you have a video about that? Love your videos.

  • @brobaiter9158
    @brobaiter9158 Před 5 lety

    I've been a tile setter for about 16 years now and I have just recently had to become a specialist with certifications and Specialty licensing to continue with my contractor's license do you guys have that in California?

  • @boulengerochromis
    @boulengerochromis Před rokem

    How much of a slope do you make and what water/mud mix ratio?

  • @ryanmccracken212
    @ryanmccracken212 Před 5 lety

    Do you ever just spritz your dry pack with a mister ? Because you used to working with thin set ad you find it hard trusting somthing that dry?

    • @ryanmccracken212
      @ryanmccracken212 Před 5 lety

      @@TileCoach what if cost plus and you have to fill in the rest of the afternoon?

  • @petermason7743
    @petermason7743 Před 2 lety

    Do you, should you put a membrane such as Sika 107 under the mud base ?

  • @1978bayouc
    @1978bayouc Před 7 měsíci

    I just ripped out our cracked shower pan. It was supported by mud bed that slopes away from drain by an inch. Can you add dry mortar around it to build it back up to level than add foam pan?

  • @slee00316
    @slee00316 Před 2 lety +1

    I am always curious how does dry pack dry? I mean does it get harden like regular wet concrete or does it just stay like a sand?

  • @steveodean9128
    @steveodean9128 Před 5 lety +1

    Love your videos, they have been a lot of help to me. Is deck mud the same as sand topping mix?

  • @RoddyDa
    @RoddyDa Před 5 lety

    How wide was that curb?

  • @Jdakota
    @Jdakota Před 3 lety +1

    Damit!! I just purchased my Dewalt laser level thinking it was required in California? 🧐😂. I’ll have to return it.

  • @Shodden
    @Shodden Před rokem

    HERETIC! THE CLEANSING FIRE!

  • @tonyh9970
    @tonyh9970 Před 4 lety

    The only critique I'll give is regarding the denzshield. Ga Pacific requires a minimum of 1/8 in above the finished pan. That's their instructions and it voids the warranty if not done that way. It's gypsum(drywall) with a waterproof coating on the face. If water collects at the bottom of the board it WILL wick up the wall. I'm rebuilding a shower right now because mold was growing on the adjacent b/r wall. After a month of no use, I could form the denzshield into a ball, like wet clay. I never use that product. Even with cement backer, I leave a small gap. If done right, liquid membranes are an added benefit but if it fails, the shower is still fine. The floor looks good for sure

    • @tonyh9970
      @tonyh9970 Před 4 lety

      @@TileCoach I get that, in theory, it won't leak but if the membrane fails the shower fails. I would think that if everything was installed properly then if the membrane fails, the shower would still work as it's supposed to. I just watched your video on the 8000 sq ft grocery store. It failed due to a gypsum based product getting wet. I get that the floor wasn't "sealed" but it shows that all products have the potential to fail. I think that you do a great job but I also think that those details matter. I wish you all the best and stay safe out there.

  • @thomasgregory8246
    @thomasgregory8246 Před 4 lety

    I use the same except brick for the curb

  • @jeffschiefelbein225
    @jeffschiefelbein225 Před 11 měsíci

    What is typically the goal thickness of the perimeter?

  • @johnnyz681
    @johnnyz681 Před 5 lety

    How much mud you used?Thanks!

  • @kevinoneill5183
    @kevinoneill5183 Před rokem

    what kind of dry pack do you use ?

  • @wethepeople7961
    @wethepeople7961 Před rokem +1

    The most important step in this process is the mixture of the mudd which you failed to provide

  • @jayrob7418
    @jayrob7418 Před 5 lety

    How do you make your mud bro?

  • @craz0boy
    @craz0boy Před 4 lety +3

    Them are fighting words 😂

  • @sharongoris2940
    @sharongoris2940 Před 4 lety

    How do you take out the shower floor and put it in and I'm a woman need help I took out the walls already help me

  • @codyrobison6817
    @codyrobison6817 Před 5 lety

    What knee pads do you have on

  • @willhere8892
    @willhere8892 Před 5 lety

    Denshield is already waterproof, why kerdi all the way up? Denshield alone with kerdi band on the seams wouldn't be good enough?

  • @Hhhhhhlllll
    @Hhhhhhlllll Před 5 lety

    I use a 1/4 tile mosaic and put it under the front of the level so don't have to use the tape also how do you know your shower floor is going to go flush with your drain or do you want it higher then your drain

  • @Thenoisyassasin
    @Thenoisyassasin Před 5 lety +4

    It’s always the guys name Steve that takes your straight edges

  • @jasonmceneaney3940
    @jasonmceneaney3940 Před 5 lety +2

    How do you fasten the shower curb to the floor?

    • @RyanDavis-qs4qo
      @RyanDavis-qs4qo Před 4 lety

      Jason McEneaney toenail the first 2x4 to the wall stud then then screw down the top 2x4 to the bottom.

    • @ozupgrades6337
      @ozupgrades6337 Před 4 lety

      With kerdi curbs you can jist thinset them in

    • @natemartinez4595
      @natemartinez4595 Před 4 lety

      Superglue, duh

  • @algreen1979
    @algreen1979 Před rokem

    I pack it the same way too.....I been using amerix mortar....I'm gonna try using the deck mud, it looks easier to shape.

  • @noelgeneston7665
    @noelgeneston7665 Před 5 lety

    Its a good intall

  • @mikegomez5796
    @mikegomez5796 Před 2 lety

    Can u do a video on cracked motor and what to do if need to repair

  • @robincepeda7501
    @robincepeda7501 Před 2 lety

    Can you tile on top right away?

  • @jakejacobs4004
    @jakejacobs4004 Před 5 lety

    Born and raised in California's central valley, currently installing tile in South Dakota. I havent seen another installer use mud besides myself. Must be a California thing. Ha

  • @hots4jc
    @hots4jc Před 2 lety

    Could you mark the wall a 1/4” every foot so you would know not to build up your deck mud past that mark and then double check with the level? It wouldn’t take as long. I don’t know. Love your videos! Oops you said that 5 minutes after I wrote that comment.

  • @quentinjones8559
    @quentinjones8559 Před 5 lety

    My drypack cured but it kinda flakey, and have some low spots. What can I use to remedy this before tiling my shower floor.

    • @quentinjones8559
      @quentinjones8559 Před 5 lety

      @@TileCoach take out the entire pan? even if its only some areas that are flaky

  • @davebriscoe8259
    @davebriscoe8259 Před 4 lety

    What is deck mud?

  • @ozupgrades6337
    @ozupgrades6337 Před 4 lety +1

    No need for lathe?

  • @mcsmama
    @mcsmama Před 2 lety

    Watching this video just for fun (clearly I am not part of the profession)... So I feel really dense & like I totally missed something huge but, after all this beautiful work, where is the drain???
    edit: Never mind... I watched a line drain installation video... got it!
    [11.16.21]

  • @knockoutcustoms7477
    @knockoutcustoms7477 Před 3 lety

    Pro tip.....levels also make great screeds😏

  • @joshywashy3631
    @joshywashy3631 Před 5 lety +3

    Trust in the bubble