Anastasiia Marushevska - Russian Historical Myths that Distort Ukrainian History from Middle Ages.
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- GUEST: Anastasiia Marushevska - Communications expert, speaker, writer, and traveller.
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About the report: This analytical report is dedicated to reviewing the origin and modifications of the Russian history-based propaganda that aims to legitimise the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The research provides a comprehensive analysis of the Russian historical myths that seek to distort Ukrainian history from the middle ages to the ongoing all-out war, covering Russia's claim for Ukraine's mediaeval heritage and false primacy in establishing the Orthodox Christianity in Eastern Europe, the myth of 'reunification' of Russian and Ukrainian nations, the history-based propaganda concerning Russia-occupied territories of Ukraine, the World War Two-related propaganda and instances of disinformation related to the ongoing invasion of Ukraine. Relying on methods of scientific analysis, source verification, analytical interpretation and Open Source Intelligence, the report accompanies the historical review of the analysed myths with the respective ideological implication and sources the research with specific examples of their use in Russian propaganda.
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Please provide a link to access her studies. I am an Afrikaner pro- Ukraine activist. Our focus now is to counter Russian propaganda in South Africa among Afrikaners. Many believe Putin and support him. Our new channel is in Afrikaans.
I also couldn't find the link to the report
I'm surprised the Afrikaners are behind Putin...why is that? I read about Afrikaner history ( i'm from Flanders, so many of us are very interested in your history) . I thought you know all about imperialism from the British? It's sad to hear that, especially because your commie government has strong ties with the Russians and backing up dictator Putin. Fortunatly there are people like you to educate your people about Ukraine. I wish you good luck in your task. Slava Ukraini.
@@Frank-kx6ky There are areas in Africa that Russia has influence. Some of it comes from some African countries who have to balance the influence of the US and Russia.
She has integrated many studies.
Russia helped S.A. break the Apartheid Regime
At the end of the show Anastasiia mentions how the term "Donbas" - from DONetsk coal BASin - is problematic, this is 100% spot on. That term was invented by the late ruzzian empire and perpetuated by the Soviets to wipe out Ukrainian identity and replace it with a russian and Belarusian industrial identity. Well known Ukrainian philosopher Volodymyr Yermolenko is advocating for this term "Donbas" to be ditched. For example the ancient name for the area I settled in a decade a go when I moved to Ukraine is called "Pryazovia", not "Donbas".
Thank you for this information. I didn't know.
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Ditch the pro-Russians within too ! Russia can host them in Siberia .
Thank you, Jonathan, for inviting Anastasiia Marushevska back, a very good conversation. Would it be possible to add a link that leads to the paper? I am usually good at finding stuff, but failed when searching. Thank you for considering it and for all that you do!
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽💩🍑
Thank you Jonathan and Anastasiia. Excellent podcast! Slava Ukraini.
As a lover of history. I really treasure this delving into foundations of the culture of eastern Europe - I realize now how little I knew about this part of the world. I don't know where else one finds this kind of historical depth on the internet. Terrific stuff (BTW, couldn't help but notice how fast the trolls were to jump on this video. You really are doing something right.)
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽💩🍑
@@j.dunlop8295 Cruel, but fair.
The American myopic "education" system ignored history of East Central and East Europe.
I would also reccomend professor Timothy Snyder on this topic.
@@njswampfox474 As a Pole, I am curious about the history of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania. I was taught very little about this in school, if at all. So I wouldn't blame American schools - the United States is further away and it's clear that from the point of view of their schools it is a less important part of the world.
Such topics are incredibly important, thanks for enlightening the facts about Ukraine and russian devious influence through centuries. Russians must pay for all evil things they've done.
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽💩RT (VGTRK)
Butthead TV news announcers!😅 Russian propaganda!
Please one example of what evil done by Russians to your country.
I had a dinner party in Australia last night. Because I live in Ukraine part of the year they asked me questions. They get their news from “independent “ media. They were basically telling Russian “views” . I had to tell them the truth . Their journey down the rabbit hole started from the Covid lockdown.
Indeed, Russians were behind a lot of the covid misinformation.
Wonderful interview! I listened to Timothy Snyder's Yale course, "The Making of Modern Ukraine" (which I highly recommend to all that have not yet invested the time). This interview with Ms. Marushevska added more breadth and nuance. Many thanks to you both!
Great. intervals, thanks you both !
Russia?: “The bloody mire of Mongolian slavery, not the rude glory of the Norman epoch, forms the cradle of Muscovy, and modern Russia is but a metamorphosis of Muscovy.”
― Karl Marx, Secret Diplomatic History of the 18th Century
I hope, Jonathan will pin your comment! Brilliant - thank you.
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
When Karl Marx said it "modern Russia" included lands from Odessa and Nikolaev to Kiev and Kharkov. At least Karl Marx knew what Russia was. But Karl Marx didn't know nothing about "Ukraine" and "Ukrainians" who would later appear as the "metamorphosis of Austro Hungary" in the 90s of the 19th century as anti Russia project. Be careful with citation of great historical figures. Wanting humiliate Russia you debunk Ukrainian idea and myth.
@@German-hv9nv it doesnt really matter because Marx's focus was to establish a connection between Muscovy and modern Russia. And Muscovy is only one and one only. The many myths created by centuries of devious 'Third Rome' doctrine, of a holy Russia fighting the evils of the world, concern Russia's particular barbarism inherited from the Mongols, their despicable consideration towards women, their sense of self-righteousness, their intrinsic corruption, etc. Ukraine is a different universe altogether. Shares none of these problems and as a result never had an empire to proudly boast about.
@@LukeCorradine 'Ukraine is a different universe altogether'. That explains the 70% drop of Ukraine GDP in 1991-2020 and the highest level of corruption in Europe.
@@German-hv9nv what are you talking about? in the 90s the entire former USSR was in ruins! and also in the 80s for that matter, when you were lucky to find meat in your local store!. You have zero historical knowledge. And in terms of corruption, yes, Ukraine is corrupt, but certainly less than Russia which has had two days of democracy in its 500 year history.
The russian hijacking/distortion of Christianity is something that I have picked up from other sources. The russian narrative is very powerful. Also the use of key words such as "traditional & conservative". These two words appear to strike a positive resonance within evangelical North American churches.
The problem is that nobody in the West tells the truth about Russian "Christian Orthodox church". At the beginning of the 20th century communists came to power in Russia, declared ateism, banned religion, ruined churches or turned them into warehouses and killed priests. However, during WWII Stalin decided to create an organization he named "Russian Orthodox Church" within KGB for reconnaissance and propaganda purposes. The KGB staff were quickly trained to play the role of priests. Haste in training led to mistakes. The freshly minted 'priests' came to the territories occupied by German nazi (for some reason Germans allowed them to the territories they controlled - although they had to know that communists banned religion, so there were no priests at all in the country) and these 'priests' made mistakes during service. German nazi occupied the whole territory of Ukraine where Christianity is popular (to compare, nazi occupied 5% of Russian territory), so mostly those 'priests' had to work on the territory of Ukraine. The older generation of Ukrainains still remembered the genuine church and new all rituals. They were shocked with blunders made by 'priests' and were really puzzled. Of course, as soon as Germans learnt about strange behavior of the newcomers they thought were priests, they quickly drove to the place, but didn't find anybody as the agents already left understanding from the puzzled faces of locals that they failed.
The KGB organization named 'church' has nothing to do with religion. Nothing has changed since the time of its creation. This 'church' in the 21st century promoted Russian propaganda in Ukraine. Since 2014 they have functioned as logistics, reconnaissance departments, they provide accommodation for Russian troops or subversive groups at the monasteries, their 'priests' even fight within Russian armed forces. Ukrainian Intelligence Service has inspected the monasteries and churches of Russian church in Ukraine and found so much interesting staff there...
Another issue is that Christianity is not popular in Russia. An insignificant percentage (about 0.5%) of Russians attend service at curches. "Orthodox churches" in Russia are empty. Muslims and Buddhists in Russia are sincere in their faith. Whereas those Russians who are determined as "Orthodox Christians" in fact prefer cults to religion (the most popular one is the cult of death). You might have seen the photos of Russians presenting soil from Navalny's grave as a gift to their friends. This is a popular tradition. Russians take soil from the graves of musicians, artists, etc because they believe that it heals. This is just one of numerous examples.
The biggest issue is that this 'church' functions in many countries and perform the same functions posing security threat to all those countries. However, only Estonia has kicked out the head of Russian "Orthodox church" so far...
100% truth about relationship between Ukraine and russia.
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽💩🍑
💙💛 saved to watch later! Thank you Jonathan. 🇺🇦
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽💩RT (VGTRK)
@@j.dunlop8295 The Molfar OSINT agency has created its register of Russian Federation terrorist regime foreign propagandists. 👍
Make Ukraine Russia again!
Great interview. Thank you! 💙💛
What a GREAT interview👍👍..100% true,correct👍👍
Very good information and perspective. My question is; “does/did Russia/Soviet Union really exist as a legitimate unified people? Or was it simply collection suppressed captives?”
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽 💩 😮
As someone born in USSR, i can confirm that the 2nd option is true. It was all but voluntary (even the collaborants were just immoral traitors, coerced and near non-existant before Stalin's death and normalisation of CP membership).
The latter, and that applies to the russian federation now. Held together by force not desire. Look at how many former Soviet republics fled to NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Why? Why not stay within 'moscow's orbit'?
Moskovia is just the other side of the coin of the Khanates. Just gangs terrorizing their populations, hiring FSB to persuade the serfs their fictional histories. Totalitarians hate independent thought.
Різні народи, мови, віра (слов'яни, тюрки, монголи....). Проте їх навмисно перемішували, нищили фізично національних поетів, кілька народів депортували з Європи в Азію, українцям в СРСР через найбільший спротив влаштували штучний голод (забрали врожай і всю їжу з будинків і оточили села армією , щоб не втекли, тож померли мільйони і досі Росія це не визнає). В Україні в часи СРСР мої батьки вчились в українській школі, коли народилась я -їх закрили в моєму місті на півдні. Були лише окремі уроки української. В сучасній Росії немає національних шкіл, деякі мови нещодавно зникли, бо помер останній носій. Всі вчать вигадану історію Києва ніби власну, а про свої регіони теж знають здебільшого пропаганду, в центрі якої "єдиний народ". Їх багато,але повинні стати одним.
Very interesting interview. I'm proudly Ukrainian.
The vatnik infestation of the comment section is immediate…..
I mean, I guess they're boosting the algorithm at least?
It's always good to see triggered these sensitive souls get when the hear what they don't want to hear.
@White-qd6bp exactly the contrary. Israeli say the same as Russians : we were here before. Historical lie.
And they are the same russian people in Israel.
Very important topic!!!! Living in Scandinavia for the most of my life has tought me about who were the REAL Russians, the Rurics (Vikings from the coast of what today is Sweden) and how the Moscovites have stolen their history.
Favorite USSR media cartoon; Russian man seat watching TV, with toilet for his head, News man on TV is a butt! 🚽💩🍑
As far as I know the founders of Russian Empire were the guys from Saint Petersburg in 18th century. Lenin in 1918 transferred capital city to Moscow . Moscovites have stolen nothing.Throughout its history Soviet Union hadn't been ruled by people from Russian Federation in terms of highest ranks. The first and last was Gorbachev. Stalin was Georgian. Secretary Generals Khruchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko were from Ukrainian socialist republic. And so called Ukrainians had never been under oppression. To judge something you should know many details and lern history based on many sources. Have no trust in propaganda.
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Your statement "the so called Ukrainians" gives away your bias and total lack of knowledge of Ukrainian history.
Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧🇺🇦💛💙
Russian bots, never heard of gulags, deportations, holodomir, genocides. Only the ignorant are proud of Russia's bloody past.
@@German-hv9nv The country you call Russia was until the 16th century the "Principality of Moscow", from the 16th century to the 18th century the "Moscow Empire", and from the 18th century it became the "Russian Empire". Of course, in the 20th century it became the USSR and then the Russian Federation. This is the continuity of history and political tradition. I know that Russians hate being reminded that they are either colonizers from a backward, provincial Russian principality, or they are victims of the colonization of Muscovites :P
Hello Jonathan 👋
Another excellent interview with another brilliant, beautiful Ukrainian woman (it's a tough job but someone has to do it!).
I find the whole convoluted topic of the 'history' of russia to be a misnomer used to muddy the water. The continued debate about WHEN Ukraine identity as a nation was established is really immaterial. Ukraine has internationally recognised borders, acknowledged following the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, enshrined in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, and codified by Vladimir Putin in 2003.
The United States of America and Australia and Pakistan (I could go on) are all relatively new countries. But they are established under international law. It's surely that simple.
Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 💛 💙
Merci! Très intéressant!
It's very important topic. Thank you as always, Jonathan!
the best interview, the same goes to our Litwin 🏳❤🏳 (Bielarusian) history. Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, The global reaction to the war in Ukraine in fact shows that such empires will no longer be tolerated." The Mongol-Muscovy style empire could be defined as a dominating, rapacious empire upheld by violence, especially unruly violence, and exhibiting three prominent characteristics.
First, it uses unruly violence as a regular means of resolving international disputes. While violence is common and sometimes necessary in political or social governance, rules have been set for its use under a modern lawful democratic system. Unlike in ancient times, the use of violence now comes under heavy restrictions and is “predictable”. Such an evolution also applies to international relations.
+1
Been watching since first interview. One of the very best on YT.
JF… excellent piece… You do all of us a huge service …. Thoughtful…. Very kind.
Great interview! Thank you Anastasiia! ❤🇺🇦
Thank you very much, Jonathan, for the link to the report! Will read it tomorrow.
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Such important context for this unprovoked invasion
what a fantastic interview, thank you Jonathan
Great thanks you Jonathan. It's a very important interview to understand the agression of Russia to the Ukraine and the democratic world.🤗💛💙
Thanks, Jonathan and Anastasia
Such a terrific guest filled with such crucial knowledge! Thank you Jonathan!
Thank you for introducing us to another authoritative voice 🇺🇦🇦🇺
The most knowledgeable Russia expert I have found, Professor Stephan Kotkin, summarizes the nation's history like this "There has always been a large gap between Russia's ambitions and their capabilities". This is at the heart of the inferiority complex of Russia. They are full of rage and hate BECAUSE they want to be great, but are not. Ukraine developed with significant European influences, dating back to ancient Greece, and it shows! Slava Ukraini!
Richard Pipes was better, Kotkin is too ProRussian.
Their genetics are tainted by Mongolia warriors with the rage gene
@@buddyrojek9417 Have you ever seen slant-eyed Russians?
"Ukraine developed with significant European influences" That explains the 70% drop of Ukraine GDP in 1991-2020 and level of corruption.
@@German-hv9nv yeah. I’m too smart and informed to believe Russian propaganda. Go away.
Very informative. Thank you!
Superb picture of truth and reality since I know Eastern Europe and Ukraine' s neighbours, including Romania which shares a border with Ukraine. They all suffered at hands of Russia, old and new in exactly the same manner that Ukraine did and, sadly does.Many of them started the re-conversion process in 1989 , back to what these countries were prior to Soviet Union, prior to communism, but they are still struggling, due to the deeply entrenched conditioned reflexes on all levels mentioned so accurately by your guest speaker.
To anyone interested in Ukrainian history in itself and also with its relation to Russian, I recommend books by Serhii Plokhy, a historian, who also published a good book on the collapse of the USSR.
I am a
Hungarian banyboomer.
Although we had to study russian language from the age of ten, we never integrated into the Soviet Union. Neither did not integrate the Polish, Check Slovak etc.
Exactly. In Poland ,parents were proud of their kids when they have bad grades from russian language at school.
@@farallimacha If its not for Soviet Union in 1944-45 they would have been proud to have good grades in German language forgetting native Polish.
I visited Hungary before Orban came to power and the sense I had from the people I talked to was not at all pro Russian. It seems very sad what Orban has done.
But between you and us (in Poland), Russian has never been the official language or the language of management in companies. He was in Ukraine. Ukrainian was also persecuted in Ukraine, even during the Russian Empire, when people were imprisoned for using it. The degree of Polish or Hungarian persecution has never reached this level.
@@German-hv9nv Germany did not want to germanised Poles it wanted to kill polish elites an enslaved all others and germanised some.
Tak!
Thank you, Jonathan! Another informative and insightful interview.
The history of Ireland has many features in common with the history of Ukraine.
For almost eight hundred years traditional native Irish language, culture, religion, lands and other material properties were aggressively subjugated by the English and Scottish invaders who sought to completely eradicate everything that was Irish. Fortunately, those vicious foreign invaders from both England and Scotland and Wales did not succeed completely although they have almost completely eliminated the Irish language.
The history of England and of the British Empire is exactly as you describe, I feel. It is an appalling litany of imperial expansion and brutal subjugation (I'm English by the way). The only difference in terms of a direct correlation between Ukraine and Ireland is that Ireland ultimately and quite rightly achieved independence. I know and accept that by 1921 the damage was already done and has never really been atoned for, but by 1921 it was achieved. Ukraine has also been subjugated, russified and brutalised by russia historically for hundreds of years. But it still finds itself (in the 21st century) defending itself from imperial conquest. I do believe Ukraine is now at that 1921 moment when for the first time in its history it will break free and achieve independence and democracy.
Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧🇺🇦🇮🇪💛💙
@@philippage60 On what maps did you find Ukraine which had been brutalised by Russia for hundreds of years. What century are you talking about?
@German-hv9nv
Maps from ex.g. 17th century, like the one Putin showed claimimg there were no Ukraine, but there were in plain text. There are many more. Opression and wars were a gradual and constant process, same was emergence of Ukrainian identity and ethnicity, which was not called Ukrainian yet. Your question doesn't seem in good faith, as history, nations and states are modern concepts, requiring understanding complexities of emerging roots of any nation or country. Not suited for YT comment section, you'll have your answers in history books. Or shorter articles online. Or, if you're illiterate and reject normal education, watch Savage Sage.
@@German-hv9nv
You are a russian troll. I have already had this conversation with you. I will repeat what I told you before.
Your contention that Ukraine MUST exist on a map that shows Russia brutalising it is absurd. The simple reality is that Ukraine as a region has been brutalised by russia for centuries and then again by Russia under the guise of the Soviet Union. This is a historical fact. But even if that were not true (which it is), Russia agreed to Ukraine's borders in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed. It did so again in 1994 under the Budapest Memorandum, and Putin again ratified this in 2003. Ukraine's borders are recognised under international law. If you want to stop recognising international law, the land you stole back to the Mongols, the Japanese and the Chinese.
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He does not comment in good faith. He is a well known troll. 👍
💛💙💜💙💛 here I am, catching up, listening uninterrupted 😊
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Thanks for great analysis
Anastasia, thank you for meaningful thoughts and historical background
Thanks guys 😊
Really enjoy your presentations and guests.
Great Interview 😃
Great information
I got very interesting insights from you 2! Thank you! 🇺🇦🇪🇺
Originally the Krimean Tatars used of course the Arabic alphabet. The Latin alphabet was only introduced in early Soviet times, whe Soviet Russia was on good terms with Mustafa Kemal's Turkey.
Thank you. Very clearly explained.
One of the very best pro Ukrainian podcasts - thanks
In an undergrad history course on Russia in 1985, a fellow student whom I guessed was Ukrainian challenged the prof's practice of referring to everything between Brest Litovsk and Germany's pre 1914 border as "Russia." Poland was Russian territory that contained some Poles, etc. The prof tried to explain he was just trying to simplify the matter so as to be able to compress 1000 years into a 3 month course, but the student refused to accept that and quit the course.
I hope this current horrible situation will jolt an extensive reorientation of what we called western history, and I am really looking forward to the historiography of 2000 to beyond 2022.
Most of all I want Ukraine to win this war.
Ruthenia and East Ukraine, Ruthenian Ukraine they speak surzhyk a mix off russian and ukrainian shall win not maybe the West Ukraine, Poland was never Russia, never actualy it has something to do with Russia but not much ,some part was with union with Russia for over 100 years only that the rest was in Austro -Hungaria -Reich to 1870 and Prussian -Brandenburgia State dan ii Reich.
Does anybody consider that using the term novorosia or "new russia" is an admission that this area is not historically Russian?
Yes, the close historical pretender is Turkey. The second Asian Khans. The third Greece. There were many Russian Turkish wars and Russians built all those big cities and developed these territories. Never heard of Ukrainian Turkish wars. Never heard of Ukrainian kings, tsars, lords etc. So Ukraine is far beside the point. Real Ukraine may politely ask something from present Hungary or Poland from where first Ukrainians originated
@@German-hv9nvwell, this is history. New peoples appear on the world stage, other people diminish or even dissappear. You cannot stop that, or else we would still be talking about Celtic tribes, Germanic tribes, Slavic tribes😂 The fact that history mostly highlights the conquerors, not the peoples within empires, does not mean that those peoples did not exist. When an empire collapses, suddenly a lot of nation states appear. Just look at the fall of the Ottoman empire!
@@mimisor66 Never heard that one former part of Ottoman empire under somebody's influence became aggressive against the other destroying ottoman culture or heritage and wanting to join military alliance. Never heard that about former parts of British Empire.
@@mimisor66 Compare number of Russian language schools in 1991 and 2010 in Ukraine. "Russia must be driven out of the Black Sea" Guess whose citation is this? And the main question who is the master in this game? Who is the puppet is obvious.
@@German-hv9nv Bro never heard of Zaporiźka Sič and Hetmanščyna
Great stream ❤
Thanks
Very interesting perspective
Very interesting this interview goes right down to the real roots of ukraine coulter
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It's Very Hard to change a persons Views &/or Beliefs especially if it challenges their reason on why they exist !
Thanks. God interview.
It was a 'good' interview, Peter. Not even Jonathan is THAT good! 😅
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@@philippage60 Ha. My fat fingers prevail on my phone's small keyboard.
@@pcopeland15
I suffer from the same problem. Also, at 64, eyesight and coordination are not as god as they were (see what I did there?) 😂
@@philippage60 Yes I did. God for you. Be well.
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Touche!
I must not be very bright because I'm not seeing a link or info on where to find the report. I'm really interested in it because educating people like me, the ordinary grass roots who talk to our friends about things, that's part of the gol here, right? Please, where can we read the report?
Дивіться опис до цього відео . Там все є
sequel please
It is so interesting to hear exactly what the propaganda is and how it is being used.
Yes we can. The Welsh and Scots have felt like that
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Is it possible that some of the workers who made steel and built tanks during WWII were taken from Ukraine before Hitler invaded?
There must have been a pool of workers somewhere who knew enough about factory work be able to start these factories so quickly.
Wow !!! What an totally amazing video !!! I Have always been a student of World history and some bits I knew of !!! But not all of it !!! I did know about the forced famine and starvation of Ukrainians by Stalin and their displacements and removing from their homes and or farms ?? If I got it all correctly ??? This is definitely something all Americans and Republicans should learn about and know !!! I think Ihad come across the term Novia Russia !!! Maybe being called ??? "" The New Russia "" !!! When I heard and said to myself !!! What's That ???
Новороссия (Новая Россия) - це російська назва для кількох областей (в різні часи різний склад) Чорноморського узбережжя Росії і України після його завоювання Російською імперією у 18 сторіччі (не лише імператорською армією, з допомогою українських козаків також) і указів про заснування "нових" фортець, портів там, де вони вже були, але під новими назвами (як було з Одесою) і звичайно нових також. Проте будували (робоча сила) їх не росіяни, а всі, хто тоді тут жив, українці також. Виглядає з російського боку так, ніби завойовували пустку ( Січ - козацькі утворення, яких тут було кілька, села, містечка, середньовічні фортеці забуваємо), або маленьке рибацьке селище, і потім імператор видавав указ, а француз (чи хтось ще) будував місто. І тепер в медіа росіяни вимагають "вернуть исконно русские земли" и "русские города". "Исконные", бо ніби нікому іншому не належали (а з ким воювали?) Після побудови цих міст і портів трохи більше ста років в переписі населення 1897 року в "Новороссии" жили переважно ті, хто назвали своєю українську мову (національність не питали, проте коли в СРСР в 1926 запитували національність і мову окремо, відсоток за націіональністю був більший, бо велика частина українців, євреїв, болгар, греків, вірмен, німців і інших у великих містах говорила росіійською) В Запорізькій області - 82%, в Херсонській - 55%, в усіх інших, окрім Одеської області - більше половини за цим переписом говорили українською. В Одеській області, включно з Одесою - 35% російська, 22% українська, 22% єврейська мова. В місті Одеса російською говорили значно більше.
Після революцій 1917 року вся ця територія ввійшла до складу України.
В наш час термін "Новороссия" - назва плану Путіна захопити Чорноморське узбережжя включно з Придністров'ям (Молдова). Мовляв треба "повернути Новороссию". А також це назва приписаних в Конституцію Росії у 2022 південних областей України (навіть обласний центр не окуповано, проте вже "добавили" до свого складу).
Я живу в місті Запоріжжя. Це одна з таких областей. О, у нас відбій повітряної тривоги, сподіваюсь заснути :))
I remember discussions with Russian trolls who claimed that we (Lithuanians or Poles) have no right to speak of 'Moskovia', because such is not spoken of in Russian. They did not allow that in other historical languages and cultures, such ways of perceiving the Moscow Empire (before it became the Russian Empire) were preserved.
A schism was created between Western and Eastern Europe after the Roman military disaster at the Battle of the Teutoberg Forest (or the Varian disaster) in 9 AD. Tribes east of the Rhine fell back into tribalism and missed out on the development of culture etc for centuries after. The speaker seems to suggest that this schism persists till this day in far Eastern Europe. Would love to hear her analysis on this age old schism interpreted with a modern political landscape lens.
They are deep scars left by the Russians on a nation's history and soul.
Fantastic knowledge info
So true @43:13 My great grandmother spoke Ukrainian. My grandmother, my father and my uncle speak Russian. All of them were born in Lysychansk. This is proof of Russification of the people in the east of Ukraine.
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BACKGROUND ( SORRY, JUST GOOGLE translate ) : After the 2nd World War, 10 million Belarus was missing about 3 million of its inhabitants, but about 2 million were killed before the war by the communist NKVD. In Belarus, 70 percent of all Belarusian writers were physically destroyed, scientists and artists were killed. (The troupe of the Third Belarusian State Theater of Vladislav Golubok was arrested in its entirety. Almost everyone was shot.) They killed on ethnic grounds. For this reason, the label “Natsdem” was invented (this means a national democrat, although such a party did not exist). This label was applied to all Belarusians whom the Stalinists planned to destroy. In the depths of the NKVD, the non-existent anti-communist organization SVB ("Union for the Liberation of Belarus") was invented. Under an invented phantom, the NKVD members carried out arrests, conducted an imaginary investigation, interrogated, tortured, tried, then exiled and shot innocent people. After the Riga Agreement in 1921, Belarus was divided between Poland and the country. The dividing line was drawn not far from Mensk. There was a secret order from the NKVD to exterminate the entire Belarusian population along the border. The Russian invaders wanted to make a deserted zone here. The destruction was carried out by border troops. Trusted persons were given a rifle and a shovel. When such a border guard soldier met a lonely Belarusian or Belarusian woman, or a child in a deserted place (on the road, in a field, in the forest), he shot the person, immediately dug a hole with a shovel and covered the corpse.
Those were the instructions. People in the villages were not as afraid of a “man with a gun” as they were of a soldier with a shovel. (These facts were published in the Belarusian press in the early 90s.) In the 30s, 95-99 percent (almost completely) of the Belarusian communist party and Soviet administration was destroyed (exiled and shot). They even destroyed the directorate and economic managers. “Russians” from the race were sent to fill the positions of murdered Belarusian administrators and communist leaders. “Russians” 🇷🇺 (the so-called “promoters”) came to Belarus, took vacated positions, received benefits, property, apartments, and the first thing they did was close Belarusian schools, translate them into the “Russian” language so that their children could to study without burdening oneself with studying, as they said, the “useless” Belarusian language. Thus, the occupiers created a “Russian-speaking” population in Belarus. Ethnocide, linguicide, mnemacide and genocide were carried out by the Bolsheviks simultaneously.
The destruction of Belarusians by the Raseysky NKVD continued during the German occupation. In June 1941, in the first days of the war, the communists shot thousands of prisoners in prisons and prison camps. Only in the Brest Fortress, where there was a terrible NKVD prison, they did not have time to liquidate all those arrested, some of them fled. Meanwhile, a large group of NKVD guards and functionaries was blocked in the fortress by the Germans. They sat there for about a month until they died out. About 20 years after the war, the communists came up with a legend about the “heroic defense” of the Brest Fortress. Noteworthy is the fact that the broad Soviet partisan movement was organized only in Belarus and partially on the ethnic Belarusian lands that were part of the race (Smolensk region, Bryansk region). There was no partisan movement in occupied Russia. Why? Yes, because the plan to destroy the Belarusian nation continued to operate. Moscow, using the NKVD, dragged the masses of the civilian Belarusian population into the war against the Germans, and thereby exposed the Belarusians to German attack.
The necessary work of struggle proceeded from an insidious plan and was carried out by vile methods. (Stalin wanted to get a double benefit.) The NKVD members specifically killed a German near a Belarusian village or made another provocation in order to provoke a punitive operation by the Nazis (who usually burned the entire village, most often along with the people). Thus, by the way, as a result of a special provocation by Soviet partisans, the famous Khatyn was also burned, which the communists later advertised to the whole world in the 70s as a typical victim of fascist atrocities.
As a result of such communist-fascist joint “work”, more than 9 thousand villages were burned in Belarus. Therefore, by the end of the war, as a result of a special operation of the NKVD, many Belarusian commanders were sent to their deaths, removed from command, killed and repressed. Their places were taken by Russians sent from Moscow and loyal NKVD members. In the summer of 1944, when the “red army” occupied Belarus, the “Russians” mobilized into the army on Belarusian territory. cartridges. They died in thousands, like grass under a scythe. And those who ran back fell under the bullets of the NKVD “barrier detachments.” However, the barrier detachments also shot in the back. This is how the destruction of Belarusians continued in the war, at the hands of the Germans and “Russians” at the same time. As the communists said, “in the fight for the Soviet homeland.” In the 40s, the Russians took them to Siberia and there they tortured all the foresters and so-called “kulaks” from Western Belarus. They were taken out in wagons, in different orders....
"Let us begin with this evident fact: Muscovy does not belong at all to Europe, but to Asia. It follows that judging Muscovy and the Muscovites by our European standards is a mistake to be avoided."-gonzague de reynold, 19501 In methodological terms, one should de-Europeanise any analysis of Muscovy policy.- thomas gomart, 20062 "
Almost like we are much more alike than we are different?
Also see Denying Russia's only Strategy for Success by F.Kagan and others from the ISW.
Yes I love all that older heritage despite violent episodes. It’s just a melting pot. But it’s like France and Britain and Norway or Denmark and the British have emerged out of that
How does Tarteria relate to false Russian history??
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from Belarus , year 1933 : "8 чэрвеня 1933 г. сакратар ЦК КП(б)Б Мікалай Гікала і старшыня СНК БССР Мікалай Галадзед атрымалі сакрэтны ліст з Нараўлянскага раёна. Непісьменная пісулька на беларускай мове, у якой мясцовыя кіраўнікі скардзіліся на страшэнны голад у сваім раёне: “На гэтых днях (2 чэрвеня) меў мейсца з рада вон выходзячы факт: гр. в. Ціхін (Акопскага сельсавету) Сікорская ноччу зарэзала свайго 9-гадовага дзіцяці. Частку ўнутранасцей пасьпела паесьці, назаўтра ўтопіла другога дзіцяці і памерла сама ад істошчэньня”. Такі жудасны факт прыводзілі нараўлянскія начальнікі і слёзна заканчвалі сваё пасланне: “Без сур’ёзнай дапамогі рэспубліканскага цэнтру абысціся не зможам”.
"Такое ж бядотнае становішча было і ў суседнім Ельскім раёне, аб чым чэкісты рапартавалі ў Менск. У 200 сем’ях з 250 аднаасобных гаспадарак дзеці і дарослыя апухлі ад голаду, за два месяцы з-за схуднення памерла 20 чалавек. “Аднаасобнік хутара Рэдзька Калодзей Мікіта, каб не бачыць пакуты галоднай сям’і, запёр у хаце жонку і трох малалетніх дзяцей, забіў наглуха дзверы і вокны, пасля чаго сам некуды знік. Жонка і двое дзяцей Калодзея ўжо памерлі, аднаго малога выратавалі суседзі. У в.Меляшковічы ўдава Ціханава Ульяна з голаду кінула траіх дзяцей і сышла няведама куды”, - прыводзілі жудасныя прыклады чэкісты.
На Гомельшчыну з Менска выехала спецыяльная камісія для праверкі фактаў. 21 чэрвеня Бюро ЦК КП(б)Б занесла ў пратакол: у Ельскім і Нараўлянскім раёнах мор закрануў да 60 працэнтаў насельніцтва. Людзі ядуць не толькі “ліпавае лісце, верас, мох і мякіну, а ў некаторых гаспадарках нават катоў, сабак і конскую падаль”. Сталічныя таварышы вымушаны былі прызнаць факт канібалізму: “У в. Акопы… жонка бедняка, пайшоўшага на працу ў горад, вярнулася дадому і знайшла свайго сына Валодзю мёртвым, адрэзала ногі дзіцяці і зварыла са шчаўем. Паела шчаўя сама і пакарміла другое дзіцянё. Назаўтра памерла сама і другое дзіцё”.
I have been to most cities in Ukraine except Lvov.....and owned property in Crimea...😊
I’ve heard some serious online historians e.g. Tim Snyder explain it all. But I understand your comments because I hear the ignorant comments
background : После 2-й Мировой войны 10-мильонная Белaрусь 🏳❤🏳 не досчиталась около 3-х мильонов своих жителей, однако околь 2-х миллионов были убиты еще до войны органами коммунистического НКВД. В Беларуси физически уничтожили 70 процентов всех белaруских писателей, убили ученых и художников. (Труппа Третьего Белорусского Государственного театра Владислава Голубка была арестована в полном составе. Почти все были расстреляны.) Убивали по национальному признаку. Ради этого был придуман ярлык "нацдем" (это значит -- национальный демократ, хотя такой партии не существовало). Этот ярлык приклеивали ко всем белорусам, которых сталинисты планировали уничтожить. В недрах НКВД была придумана несуществующая антикоммунистическая организация СВБ ("союз освобождения Белaруси"). Под придуманный фантом энкавэдисты проводили аресты, вели воображаемое следствие, допрашивали, пытали, судили, потом ссылали в paсeю и расстреливали невинных людей. После Рижского сговора в 1921 году Беларусь разделили между Польшей и paсeей. Границу раздела провели недалеко от Менска. Существовал тайный приказ НКВД уничтожать всё белорусское население вдоль границы. Российские аккупанты хотели сделать здесь безлюдную зону. Уничтожение осуществляли пограничные войска. Довереным лицам выдавали винтовку и лопату. Когда такой солдат-пограничник встречал в безлюдном месте (на дороге, в поле, в лесу) одинокого белоруса или белоруску, или ребенка, он стрелял человека, тут же лопатой выкапывал яму и засыпал труп.
Такова была инструкция. Люди в деревнях не так боялись "человека с ружьём", как солдата с лопатой. (Эти факты опубликованы в белaруской печати в начале 90-х годов.) В 30-х годах на 95-99 процентов (практически полностью) была уничтожена (сослана и расстреляна) белaруская коммунистическо-партийная и советская администрация. Уничтожали даже директорат и хозяйственных руководителей. На должности убитых администраторов и коммунистических начальников-белорусов присылали “русских” из paсeии. “Русские” 🇷🇺 (так называемые "выдвиженцы") приезжали в Беларусь, занимали освобожденные должности, получали льготы, имущество, квартиры и первое, что они делали -- закрывали белорусские школы, переводили их на “русский” язык, чтобы их дети могли учиться, не обременяя себя изучением, как они говорили, "никому ненужного" белaруского языка. Таким образом оккупанты создавали в Беларуси "русскоязычное” население". Этноцид, лингвацид, мнемацид и геноцид проводзились большевиками одновременно.
Уничтожение белaрусов рaсeйским НКВД продолжалось и во времена немецкой аккупации. В июне 1941 года в первые дни войны коммунисты расстреляли в тюрьмах и на этапах тысячи заключенных. Только в Брестской крепости, где была страшная тюрьма НКВД, всех арестованных ликвидировать не успели, часть из них разбежалась. Тем временем большая группа надзирателей и функционеров НКВД была заблокирована в крепости немцами. Они сидели там около месяца, пока не вымерли. Лет через 20 после войны коммунисты придумали легенду о "героической обороне" Брестской крепости. Обращает на себя внимание тот факт, что широкое советское партизанское движение было организовано только в Беларуси и частично -- на этнических белaруских землях, которые были в составе paсeии (Смоленщина, Брянщина). В оккупированой России партизанского движения не было. Почему? Да потому, что продолжал действовать план уничтожения белорусской нации. Москва, используя органы НКВД, втянула массы гражданского белорусского населения в войну против немцев, и этим подставила белорусов под немецкий удар.
Необходимое дело борьбы исходило из коварного замысла и осуществлялось подлыми методами. (Сталин хотел получить двойную выгоду.) Энкавэдисты специально около белорусской деревени убивали немца или делали другую провокацию, чтобы вызвать карательную операцию гитлеровцев (которые обычно сжигали всю деревню, чаще всего -- вместе с людьми). Таким образом, кстати, в результате специальной провокации советских партизан была сожжена и известная Хатынь, которую коммунисты потом в 70-х годах разрекламировали на весь мир как типичную жертву фашистского зверства.
В результате такой коммуно-фашистской совместной "работы" в Беларуси сожгли более 9 тысяч деревень. Поэтому к концу войны, в результате специальной операции НКВД, многие белaaруские командиры были посланы на смерть, отстранены от командования, убиты и репрессированы. Их места занимали русские, присланные из Мосвы, и верные энкавэдисты. Летом 1944 года, когда "красная армия" заняла Беларусь, “русские” провели мобилизацию в армию на белaруской территории. Десятки тысяч молодых белaруских мужчин, почти без подготовки, бросили на передовую линию фронта. “pусские” командиры поднимали их в ненужные атаки под огонь немецких пулеметов, не дав даже оружия в руки, или с винтовками, но без патронов. Они гибли тысячами, как трава под косой. А те, что бежали назад, попадали под пули энкавэдистских "заградотрядов". Впрочем, заградотряды стреляли и в спину. Так продолжалось уничтожение белaрусов на войне, руками немцев и “русских” одновременно. Как говорили коммунисты, "в борьбе за советскую родину". В 40-х годах русские вывезли в Сибирь и там замучили всех лесников и так называемых "кулаков" из Западной Беларуси. Вывозили вагонами, по разнорядках.
Please, the word is Et cetera not exetera. It means "and the rest".
I try to post comments as often as I can, not just to join the discussion but also to help the channel with the algorythm. But it is becoming increasingly difficult with comments disappearing on a regular basis. I find it hard to believe that this is the CZcams algorythm. If this is troll activity I can draw comfort from the fact that some sad little troll is trying to suppress a truth they don't want out there on CZcams, but it is hardly a satisfactory situation.
When Putin claimed Ukraine didn’t exist until USSR 'created' it he really shouldn't have had a 17th century French map showing 'Vkraine: pays des COSAQUES' on the table.
My grandparents on both sides came to the U.S. from Lithuania. None of their grandchildren, great grandchildren or great, great grandchildren speak Lithuanian. They speak English, Spanish and French. It's called "life."
So what's your point? It's normal to take the language of the new land you are emigrated to, but it's another thing when you've been forced to by an invasive agressor like the Russians.
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@@rafaelsanz3441 nope! I am not! Think again, Einstein.
What's your point?
@philippage60 I am 100% against this Russian induced war on the Ukraine! At the same time, I realize that absolutely nothing...culture, language, religion, etc....remains the same.
A great exchange of ideas, but I have difficulty with the framing of the war in Ukraine as a conflict between "European values" and Asian values (Muscovy/Russia represented as "Asian" in a derogatory way). It is insulting to Mongolians (nobody speaks for them) and Chinese people. The real conflict is between societies that appreciate free speech, the separation of powers and the rights of minorities and those who don't. Moscow and current day China clearly fall in the latter camp. But don't use lazy simplications like Europe (liberal, enlightened) and Asia. Rome and the Mongols used similar techniques in subjugating people they wanted to annex (if you resist us we will destroy you, if you open your gates we will treat you well) but Rome is seen as a source of European civilisation, the Mongol empire is not. China in its history has had many phases, some more liberal, some more authoritarian. Voltaire, Rousseau, Diderot etc were banned and exiled in there own country of France just like Tsarist Russia did to its critics., then its revolution turned into a bloodfest (just like Russia's). The restoration that followed 1815 in Europe saw autocrats (the King of Hanover etc) have a vicious secret police and censorship, just like Russia. The English attempted to wipe out Welsh, Cornish and Irish speaking, luckily not successful. US, Canadian and Australian governments tried to destroy native cultures and religions by abducting native children. The list goes on. So please don't frame this as a conflict between European and Asian values, the war in Ukraine is a conflict between a (relative new) respect for free speech, property rights and the separation of powers and autocracy and kleptocracy.
I know it's convenient, but I wouldn't contrast Europe with Asia. Russia has simply found itself on the margins of European culture. These positive movements related to the Renaissance and the Enlightenment reached Russia with a delay and were very weak. They didn't take root that strongly. The tsarist censorship took care of this for a long time (Lenin read Marx because the tsarist censorship found him too boring to inspire Russians), and later comes communist censorship. Moreover, this socialist and communist movement brought some "European values" to Russia, such as universal health care and pensions. But it did not bring democracy, individual freedom, or the idea of self-determination. It also did not bring post-colonial reflection. Russia may make up for this in the future, but at the moment it is a terror state.
I wonder what the world would look like with Russia had joined Nato. I would not have recommended it.
background : Moscow horde´s war record :-
1856 defeated by Britain and France
1905 defeated by Japan
1917 defeated by Germany
1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states
1939 defeated by Finland
1969 defeated by China
1989 defeated by Afghanistan
1989 defeated in the Cold War.
1996 defeated by Chechnya
2022 defeated by Ukraine
WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn
Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-
a) Hungary 1956
b) Czechoslovakia 1968
c) Moldova 1992
d) Georgia 2008
You listed a lot of things, but you forgot two little things.
Napoleon reached Moscow and was escorted back to Paris, and Hitler reached Stalingrad and was escorted back to Berlin.
25 million Russians died in WWII and now some people think that the problem is only with the Russians.
@@markojuric4954 "Everything is going according to plan." Saddam Putsein
@@markojuric4954 try harder, it wasn't 25 million russians, it was 25 million soviet people.....
@@hybridarmyoffreeworld Good luck . . . :)
@@BarbaraCorrias-mh7en What difference does it make . . . not all nazis were Germans, so what . . . tens of thousands of soldiers from the country where I live who attacked Russia under the command of Hitler were not Germans and thousands of them left their bones in Russia . . . I don't believe how one thousand of them would gather today to go to Russia again, regardless of whether the country where I live is a member of NATO.
Thanks for a wonderful history lesson. Maybe the republicans in the US congress should be forced to watch it.
You can not force some one to believe something they don't want to.
Багдан Хмяльніцкі, тыпу таго, падпісаў некалі "глыбокую" інтэграцыю з
ардой ... Украінскія гісторыкі кажуць, што Хмяльніцкі нічога не
падпісваў, і ўсё гэта хлусня! І папер ніякіх не было і няма! А маскоўцы
кажуцуь, што Хмяльніцкі -- падпісваў, але паперы не захаваліся бо моль
іх паела. А ў выніку што? Украіна-Русь на доўгія стагоддзі патрапіла пад
маскоўскі бот. Маскоўская арда скрала назву Украіны -- Русь, усю яе
гісторыю, міталёгію, культуру і выдае яе за сваю. Узяць бы таго князя
Уладзіміра, які, нібыта, хрысціў маскавітаў, яшчэ і помнікі яму нахабна
ставяць. А далей і згадваць не хочацца.... Рэвалюцыя, Грамадзянская
вайна, Галадамор, рэпрэсіі, генацыд... І нaрэшце вайна на Дамбасе,
анексія Крыма, вайна, вайна .
France has also destroyed minority cultures to a large extent. And it will be only a matter of time when these minorty languages and cultures will disappear entirely. Think of the Bretons, the Catalans in the soutwest, The italians in Nizza, the Alsatiens and the people in eastern Lorraine and at last the Flemish. All these cultures have been wiped out because the language spoken and taught in Kindergarten and the schools is French. And this policy has been very deliberate. But of coure the French will not acknoledge this kind of genocide because they have always thougth that their culture is superior.
The same is happening in Australia. Our dialect is wiped out by patronising government television stations and radio stations . They consider Australian dialects as uncultured
@@buddyrojek9417 The difference is that the languages I have referred to are not French dialectsbut very different languages.
@@buddyrojek9417 most of the English speaking world is fond of “Ozian”. I sure am .
@@yurilytviak9066 no worries Cobber , you betta get a run along now. Your Mrs is cooking tea.
But France is no longer, in the 21st century, still, an expansionist imperial conqueror. Neither is the British Empire, neither is the Roman Empire, neither is the Otterman Empire. The age of empires is over and the old empires struggle with the damage they have done historically. The BIG difference is that Russia STILL believes imperial expansion and conquest against all international law is still an acceptable way to conduct geopolitics.
Mосковская орда должна распасться т к смысла в ее существовании нет. Нынешняя элита Неспосoбна на Реформы, общество неспособно на революцию, поэтому будет продолжаться гниение, которое закончится распадом, т к и затяжное гниение тоже всех утомит. Сегодня московская орда занимает первое место в мире: ■ по уровню умышленных убийств; ■ по числу курящих детей и подростков; ■ по числу взяток при поступлении в вyзы; ■ по темпам роста табакокурения; ■ по аварийности на дорогах; ■ по смертности от самоубийств среди подростков 15-19 лет; ■ по абсолютной величине убыли населения; ■ по количеству самоубийств среди пожилых людей; ■ по числу разводов и количеству детей, рожденных вне брака; ■ по числу детей, брошенных родителями; ■ по смертности от заболеваний сердечно-сосудистой системы; ■ по числу пациентов с заболеваниями психики; ■ по объемам торговли людьми; ■ по количеству абортов и материнской смертности; ■ по объёму потребления героина; ■ по потреблению спирта и спиртосодержащей продукции; ■ по продажам крепкого алкоголя; ■ по темпам прироста ВИЧ-инфицированных; ■ по количеству авиакатастроф (в 13 раз больше среднемирового уровня); ■ по числу миллиардеров, преследуемых правоохранительными органами; With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde ("russia") budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher
Wow! Don't know where you got these statistics from but they're pretty damning.
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After loosing the war in Crimea ( treaty of Paris 1856 ) Russia invaded Circassia and massacred 2 million Circassians, burnt all villages and cultures, deported 50 % of the population and replaced them with Russians.
Today everybody has forgotten that Sochi was not Russia.
The Olympic games took place on the mass graves of the Circassian genocide.
For the ignorant, Leonardo da Vinci's mother was Circassian .
She was not Russian.
Russian education should be understood to be more as an indoctrination.
Німецькі журналісти зняли фільм як зараз в Росії дітей навчають (пропаганда і військові навчання на зразок Гітлерівської Германії, тільки з сучасною зброєю і медіа засобами). А закінчила школу в СРСР, але такого високого рівня пропаганди і зомбування дітей не зазнала, навіть не припускала можливим
This conversation regrettably seems to succumb to the very specious and facile generalizations of which it--rightfully--accuses Russia when Ms. Marushevska states that without Ukraine, Russia is not European. She does not help her case making such hyperbolic statements since when dealing with liars and dissemblers, one should not resort to their tactics.
Russia has had a long, European identity and presence as a part of Europe whether Ukraine was under its control, under Ottoman control or independent. If Putin or other Russian irredentists want to make the argument that Ukraine is essential to Russia's European-ism, then let them enjoy that pathetic fantasy, but please do not enable it in the name of one's own counter-rhetoric.