It sounds like she didn’t submit her evidence before the trial. A person has to submit evidence to the court beforehand. Anything they bring with them to the hearing that hasn’t been submitted will not be looked at. In America we can get a free lawyer when we are charged with a crime but you aren’t given a lawyer for civil cases.
That’s just dumb advice. Why would you need a lawyer for a speeding ticket? I’ve defended myself several different times & won every time. They were misdemeanors tho. If it’s a felony charge you best get a lawyer. With civil cases, it just depends on what the plaintiff is asking whether you get representation or not.
@@whenimmanicimgodly4228 as a lawyer myself, I can attest that we are also brought in by semi trucks and unloaded at the court house. Much more organized that way.
I guarantee that the reason the tapes weren't allowed is because there's a process to get evidence allowed in court, and she didn't know that because she's not a lawyer.
She kept calling but she said they would hang up on her so she never got to talk to/threaten anyone. I’ve done that on customers. You see the number and pick up the phone then hang up
@@WaffleSalad Eh it still would count as harassment in my eyes. I mean a rational person would know that after they hang up a couple of times that it's obvious they don't want to talk to you. But she continued to call them. She can say she wasn't harassing them but in my eyes she was and the judge had the same view.
Even lawyers who are charged with something will show up with a lawyer. A favorite quote used is "The man who represents himself has a fool for a client" - Abraham Lincoln.
She wasn’t “found guilty” and the fact that she thinks that shows how badly she needed a lawyer. There is no guilt or innocence in civil court, only liable or not liable 🤦🏽♀️ she also should have submitted all of her evidence when she filed her response to the lawsuit. I don’t think she understood anything that was happening or the outcome.
In civil suits, you can absolutely submit on the day of, in court. You do not need to submit anything beforehand. Source: me, my fiance, and our roommates at the time beat a huge rental company in civil court with no lawyer because they were too expensive. We got everything we wanted.
@@taylorbug9 right, but submitting your evidence with your filing strengthens your case and makes it more efficient. I’m glad you won your case, it can be nerve wracking to go to court because you never know which way it will go. Did you go to small claims court? People in small claims courts tend to represent themselves because most lawyers don’t want to spend time on small claims cases, and a lot of people going to small claims can’t afford an attorney.
@melanielopez735 thank you 😊. It was just civil court. They were trying to illegally evict us two weeks after renting us a trailer with a broken water heater. Paid them over 2k to move in, and the place still had dog vomit in the carpet from the previous owner. They hadn't cleaned or inspected a single thing between the last tenant and us. Knowing we couldn't look at it in person before signing. But it wasn't all bad in the end. They refused our rent for 5 months while the court case was going on, and we set all that money aside like we were supposed to. So when the judge ruled in our favor, he also ruled that they couldn't ask for the money they had refused for 5 months. So we got to spend that money on a new place, as we also wanted out of the lease with them and got that.
Yes you can. I used to think this too but its an organization called Legal Services and in the US you can get free legal help for civil cases as long as you qualify as lower income.
@AccordingtoJexi there are free/low cost legal aid for civil courts, but it's not a right and the Court will not appoint a lawyer for a defendant. Civil cases need to retain their own counsel.
@@AccordingtoJexiThis. There are attorneys that do pro bono work, you just don't get automatically *provided* an attorney by the state if you're not on trial in criminal court.
I agree it is not an automatic right but too many people do not know it is an option to them because we have always been told its only for criminal. But Legal Services DOES help in a lot of cases
If the judge wouldn’t view her call log, she didn’t submit it right. You have to provide any evidence ahead of court, in my experience, so the other party can’t get blindsided.
I was looking if someone picked that up. The judge looks over all documents before even entering. so probably had already made their decision if all they had to go off was the business' evidence.
That's usually in criminal cases. In civil cases like this they often allow you to present evidence while you're there. Regardless, the burden of proof is on who filed the complaint. A single testimony isn't enough evidence without corroboration.
There are judges who refuse to look at evidence tho, you can just have really bad luck sometimes. Not saying for sure it happened in this instance but it has happened before.
Pretty sure this is civil court because it's between citizens (even if one is a business owner). Criminal court is when the government charges you with something.
This sounds like it is a criminal court. It’s harassment, that’s a criminal offence… also, if it was a civil case… it’s waaay too quick for all that to have unravelled.
@@brackenrobertson799 you'd think that, but even though harassment is technically criminal, it is almost always handled as a civil case if battery or assault was not involved
@@brackenrobertson799if it was criminal court she would have been arrested and tried by a prosecutor on behalf of the state. This is a private civil suit.
She said herself she called multiple times and in a final one had started cussing them out. So that's enough to be considered harassment. "Justifications" don't matter.
if we're trusting her word, then his wife also harrassed her and should be charged? based on Pennsylvania code Title 18, chapter 27, 2709. It also could be argued, that the customer didnt meet the requirements of section a, part 3 & 4 which are the only POSSIBLE sections according to her which she committed. calling 3 or 4 times isnt extreme or annoying especially during such a short time period, and with the importance of purpose being clearly stated within the statute, it erases that completely. She had a legitimate purpose (ie. a refund/etc.). She then was angered by the treatment, she then used AN obscene word (called him " bitch and so is his mom"). not multiple, not excessively or repeatedly. Thats NOT enough to be considered harassment rationally.
@@kitkatherine23 she made the mistake of corroborating the accusations against her. Restaurant says "She called multiple times, made threats and used abusive language, she had been warned about it the first call but harassed us anyway" Then she went and said "Yes, I was told not to scream in the first call, yes I called multiple times, yes I swore at whoever answered on a call eventually." Bam, restaurant practically has a confession that fits their lawsuit. If she had hired a lawyer, they would have told her to keep quiet. She would have to sue the wife and prove harassment for a win. Has the wife practically confessed that she had?
She screwed herself over in every step. First, it is extremely common for restaurants to use weight/size for the entrees, not just quantity. Second, she definitely did a poor job representing herself and submitting evidence for the lawsuit, which is probably why the judge found her guilty. Third, this whole situation is ridiculous. She should have let it go after the first phone call. Goddamn. I am not on anyone’s side here. Idiots all around.
They use weight maybe when there is stakes involved and their using precooked meat because they could gaurentee the weight after the food is cooked but when they say you get a certain amount of pieces they mean that. I've never gotten 6 nuggets because they were the same weight as 10 pieces.
@@cintaminbunny What are you taking about? She’s not talking about nuggets. She’s talking about Elote, a Mexican corn. Corn comes in all sizes, so naturally, there will be smaller corn and bigger corn. The same would go for chicken tenders btw. Nuggets usually are the same size. Restaurants use weight for entrees and portions. It’s just a fact.
@@h00dles33bro why? This is so not worth arguing. But for this poor dude I'll mention chicken tenders at restaurants usually go by pieces, at least many in the U.S. do. Same for many variable-in-size items. You get 3 burger sliders. Entrees and sides especially. Maybe you're fancier than we and you're going to places I've never been, but this seems to be a mom and pop shop
I’m not sure about anyone else, but it seems so stupid to end up in court over… corn? Like, I feel this could’ve ended if she just called it a loss and never went back. Maybe do a chargeback? But to call back incessantly after management clearly doesn’t care is wild, especially when it ended up like this.
Facts! She went wayyy overboard. Then using the kids as an excuse? Nah she crazy she acted absolutely childish. I’m glad they sued her and won. You don’t get to act like that.
In the UK, you get a lawyer regardless of the "suit". That may be because suing is not very popular here as it is in America. All citizens must be able to defend themselves regardless of whether it is civil or criminal.... So, it's a shame that you don't get aid for civil court in the US
I used to be a victim services advocate and therefore sat through many harassment claims. She admitted to calling several times (which is legally defined as harassment on its own in most places, I.e. unwanted phone calls) and the derogatory expletives, that sealed her fate. Likely the judge didn’t see her evidence because it occurred after what could have been considered antagonistic behavior on her part and made a ruling based on what she admitted. The owner did not request, “no contact,” according to her account of the events but the judge might have decided since he disconnected the call, refused the other calls, and when he did take the last call she choose to verbally attack him instead of seek mediation the judge made his ruling upon that. That being said- I think everyone involved is quite juvenile. Everyone’s behavior in the situation is ridiculous. It should not have escalated to court- considering THAT court serves families and women that are often experiencing true harassment in the vein of domestic violence and/or stalking…to be there over a Mexican food platter is a waste of everyone’s time. If a person doesn’t want to talk to you- don’t contact them. Because most laws state that unless there is extraneous circumstances (and even then) if someone has asked you or made it clear that they do not want to be contacted by you doing so can make you liable. I don’t believe she was in the wrong with her complaint and she should not have been doxxed. But unfortunately impulsivity and some missteps makes the ruling just- even if it’s not fair. This likely is not this restaurant’s first rodeo and it sounds like they knew exactly how to manipulate the situation.
Yeah they shouldn't have doxxed her, but calling the guy and his mom a bitch for asking "what do you want me to do" is ridiculous. Maybe he said it rudely but I interpreted that as "what would you like me to do to make this right with you". And all this because she said the restaurant was wrong that they give food out based on size/weight and not amount?? She and the restaurant are both stupid.
Thanks for this comment People often forget just and fair may not be the same result. She engaged in harassing behavior (she admitted it, they didn't). Her evidence want submittable, so the only thing the judge had to go by is her own admissions of guilt and their denials of guilt. 🤷♀️
@@inventedcool1076 people really have to keep stuff like this off the internet- she immortalized her omission of guilt and escalated it to the court system. This is a waste of the court’s time.
@@anon-bs7cnthere was no crime committed. That’s civil to me. I just had a run in with the police after being wrongfully evicted. They didn’t do anything about it because it was criminal. They can understand something wrong is being done but if it’s not breaking criminal law then no it’s civil.
@@CRAZyLittleMeMe you realize harassment, unlike evictions, exist in criminal law right….? And she was found guilty…. Guilt doesn’t exist in civil cases
This is what happens when 2 dramatic Karens have a confrontation🤣 Like who calls a Restaurant to complain about being shorted a piece of corn💀 And who takes someone to court over a bad review😂
RIGHT! That’s what I was thinking. Like both sides are petty. Clearly this restaurant/management has its issues, but they’ve also had bad reviews before that didn’t end in a court case. Which leads me to believe she is not as innocent as she’s making herself out to be 😬
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Againbut that’s not what she said. She repeated herself in video that she told him she had her kids & couldn’t come in there…..not that she didn’t have vehicle to get there.
You know what’s wild… I used to get one of those old school phone books delivered to my house every year until I was in university, and it’s crazy to think that was just a massive book with all our full names, phone numbers and addresses… delivered to everyone. And even crazier that the world is so unsafe now that younger generations can’t even fathom that that’s how it used to be 😢😢
Or we would call the “operator” to get a phone number. It was 411 in Montreal. it was super rare that someone would make their phone numbers private. We’ve been getting phone books until maybe 15 years ago. lol
@@ellaella5537Really!? I'd thought it would be a different number because it was also 411 in the States. I remember the Yellow Pages. The "yellow" section was strictly businesses and the "white" pages were for residential. However, even though that was "doxxing" back in the day, unlike now with everything being online, there was a way to opt out being included in the "white pages" section and different forms of the "opting out" as well. Your name and phone number could be available but not your address and you could also opt for using a PO BOX as a residential address and that would appear. If you truly wanted to be excluded, I believe would have to call "The Yellow Pages" company specifically to opt out and pay a fee (to be fair I could be remembering the pay a fee part wrong) but I swear that's what my grandma did in the 80s to stay out of the book. Edit: I'm an idiot. The "Yellow Pages" company was just straight up Pacific Bell.
I think about this all the time when people go on about doxxing. It just doesn't seem that serious to me, probably because I grew up with phone books and operators who could connect you to anyone.
@@JohnSaysHitell me you know nothing about the internet without saying a word. People have literally died because they were doxxed. One dude didn’t give up a username on a website and got swatted. Ended up having a heart attack from it. The reason phone books weren’t a problem is because long distance charges were unreal and people weren’t willing to pay them. Now you call call anywhere, write and email anyone’s boss/family/friends and make their entire life hell for no extra charge and with the comfort of anonymity.
Right?! In Australia we had the Yellow Pages (businesses) and White Pages (Residential) and it would cost you a significant amount of money to keep your info out of the White Pages. Not anymore obviously, now you just request it and done.
The only time I got pissed enough to leave a negative review and file a complaint against a restaurant was when my food allergies weren't taken seriously and I nearly died. Yeah, I was beyond the point of anger and you bet I wasn't polite about it. However, the owner of the restaurant didn't release my personal information or threaten me with a lawsuit.
I'm a paranoid person myself so I'm not judging but that's a wild overcorrection. Like I get it, but this isn't a common thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Something smells funny here. Nothing about her story of what happened in court makes much sense. No, you cannot just show up with evidence the day of the trial. No, a log of how many times she called the restaurant won't 'exonerate her.' No, you aren't found guilty in civil cases (and if this wasn't a civil case, why defend yourself, dummy?). And also we aren't allowed to see a transcript of the terrible things she claims the judge said because 'they don't have it.' ....sure hun, they lost the transcript. If that's true then your appeal should be a slam dunk because they fucked up the paperwork.
Yes, you can! This is civil court! Not criminal. I've been to civil court, and you DO NOT need to submit evidence beforehand! We went up against a rental company, we had no lawyer, and we got everything we wanted.
And when we asked for the transcripts after they claimed there were none. Not that we had to call a different office for them. There were none. Is what they said. Zoom cases are being handled differently these days.
@@taylorbug9 Sounds like your case is the outlier, because every civil case I have seen, you have to submit what you have for evidence before court. Especially if the judge asked for that before the court date. Usually things get thrown out or the defendant is found liable if something was asked for and they never got back to them with it. My mother's case for evicting my sister was thrown out simply because 3 months before the court trial happened, she didn't produce what letter or written notice she gave to my sister to leave the house. So she had to start all over again, sending the notice, waiting the allotted time, then making sure she caught the subtle email of what time her case even was.
Personally, I just assume that she had no idea of what was going on. I know I would be very much out of my depth if I were to try to represent myself in court and I certainly wouldn't understand all the legalese. That being said, her own account of events may already fall under harassment, depending on the laws in Pittsburgh.
She was acting insane. Calling a restaurant multiple times in a night then ending with telling the manager he and his Mom are a b$&*%? I have worked in restaurants and she is 100% downplaying her part in this. It can actually get scary when someone is calling 100x over corn and swearing etc… it can make you feel really uneasy working somewhere like they may come in and cause trouble.
Sure but the owner could've just said "Oh sorry, we'll send you some more corn, again we're very sorry" & this whole thing could've been avoided if the owner just told her they'd send some more corn out to her
True but posting her private information after her view isn't the right way. Especislly if they've shown to make threats, that's pretty much escalating the situation.
@riddlerosehearts8277 right but also they don't have to do that. They gave her a reason why she only got wbat she was given. She was given a reason, she didn't like it. She should have dropped it
She didn’t read the court rules- never sent it to the other side, didn’t file it in the appropriate time. She can represent herself but she’s responsible to know the was rules 😎
Based on her initial TikTok alone she admitted to being guilty to what she was taken to court for. Also evidence has to be submitted before court. Thats why the judge wouldn’t look at what she brought the day off.
But also in this situation call logs prove nothing except that she called them multiple times. The claims she made would need to have audio to prove she was cursed out and hung up on after getting her personal information put on a public platform without her consent.
I believe the judge said it… it’s important to know the judge’s expertise because some of them can pretend to be neutral but demonstrate bias with off hand comments. Many court videos exist showing this behavior
@wolffisu if it was true that they hung up on here before she could say anything up till the last call, then the logs would show that with timestpams/duration. If the call only connects for a second than it shows she couldn't have harassed them verbally. Also it's pretty reasonable to try calling again when it's about something you feel is important (like being refunded for food you didn't get)
@@AskMiko If I were the judge, I would have said it too. "No, I wont look at your evidence." she didnt submit it beforehand, like youre supposed to do. The judge had every right to deny the evidence
Tbh it sounds like she was harassing him. You can’t call them repeatedly and/or call the guy and his mother a bitch. She could be telling the truth but she was still in the wrong.
She didn't call repeatedly. She called once to complain about her order. As anyone would do. He got aggressive so she got aggressive back and hung up. Then she left a negative review and they released her information in response. In all cases they were in the wrong as a business, especially one she frequented often. I'll believe her because the reviews before her post also show that they are unprofessional and aggressive. And clearly dirty and not following health codes. They need to be closed.
She can call someone’s mom a bitch though, freedom of speech and all. But yeah you can’t harass. But I would nvr go to that restaurant in the first place, they seem petty
i mean calling a place of business repeatedly to have words with them and at the end berate them is harassment. it's also so not the way to deal with the situation. not saying the staff or owner were in the right or even that they ran a nice place to visit, but that doesnt make her actions magically okay. if i worked there and she acted that way bc of fucking corn id be foaming at the mouth to tell her to get a hobby ngl
@@randomlyswatching9481 To paraphrase a certain TV show: "cool motive, still harassment". Or, to put it another way, two wrongs don't make a right. She's outright admitted she called them multiple times (which, yes, is legally defined as harassment if the other party have made it clear the attempted communication is unwanted which it seems the company did) and used calling the guy's mother a bitch just as an example of what she said, meaning she probably also said a lot worse since she'll naturally be trying to make herself look the best she can while giving her version of events. Regardless of the company's actions before or after the fact, what she did is legally defined as harassment. Honestly, given the information available, neither parties in this case come out of it looking well and neither really has any claim to a moral high ground, only a legal one - just going by the parameters of the court case (and not knowing the specifics of the laws in Pittsburgh), the judge was right to find her liable. If she wants to take action against the company for releasing her private information, that's another matter entirely.
This is why you get lawyers, as expensive as they are, they do know how it works and what to do. It's not like tv and it involves a lot of paperwork and following the rules of court.
Many judges in the states are horrid. My DV protective order judge told me I wasn't r@ped or abused bc we were in a relationship and should have been obedient if I didn't like being corrected
That's vile. Sadly there are some old time judges (or judges with this boomer mentality) who will say such... ugly things. I wish I could say that I'm surprised about that since there are even laws about spousal assault on the books... but like I said... he was probably an old-times judge since they usually say some out of pocket things. (I said usually because I remember there was this really elderly judge who you would think was extremely sexist/racist but he was very progressive for his age bracket) Sometimes I wish you could curse out a judge without the fear of being thrown in prison. I truly hope you are in a much better place now.
I am sorry that you have to go through that. And yeah, a lot of judges in the States suck and a big problem there is that those judges get elected and have to act like politicians. Elected judges are great in theory, as they are appointed by the community, but in practice that forces them to campaign for their job, rather than be appointed by merit.
Yeah this whole thing just sounds like Karen versus Karen to me. Yes the restaurant shouldn't have doxxed her, but she was ridiculous about this from the beginning. Calling someone's mom a bitch because you didn't get enough corn is ridiculous.
"Calling someone's mom a bitch because you didn't get enough corn is ridiculous" this sentence out of context is hilarious! Also, truly ridiculous. The owners may not be that great, but this woman has issues. Team NO ONE.
It’s worse on the business though. At my job I’ve been called loads of stuff, insulted, never ever would we ever publicize or retaliate against someone. Heck, we get ppl who repeatedly call us too. We keep it professional.
Lady needs to pick her battles. She called SEVERAL times about a piece of corn? lol call once leave a review maybe and move tf on. Don’t go back. So easy. Omg
I wish I had time to be that pressed over a dang piece of corn. Like for example a place I always eat and get pretty much the same thing (these brussel sprouts) gave me whole ones this last time instead of quarters so it looked like less but in reality it was the same amount of food. Restaurants do go by weight and size in some situations and I’ll bet that’s what they do at this place. Regardless starting a war over and go to court over how many pieces of corn you got this time vs last is big toddler energy.,
I see owners call out people by name all the time in reviews and a number is only as telling as you want it to be no one put her address she started the fight and thought she was at Burger King and was going to get it her way this place is a bar they met her with the same energy and she couldn’t handle it. She seems very unhappy and looking for someone to take her hanger out on. Even her last post is b.s said she was appealing and not going to comment any more and proceeds to go on and on about the situation lol now she is using this situation to beg for money from strangers . This is wild. I wonder if she even has a job
Well, they'd show how often she called and maybe how long the calls were. That's not evidence for what was said on the calls, but still evidence for how much communication did occur which could be relevant if, for example, the owners claimed she had called more often than she did. Just because it doesn't prove the case on its own doesn't mean it's not evidence
@@BlueGangsta1958 it not evidence. Making phone calls is not illegal… most of you don’t understand much of anything. Ooo calls were made, we already know that. Again not a crime
@@CAC6363 Neither is being in a specific location. But a photo of you near a crime scene is still part of the quantum of evidence. Single pieces of evidence don't have to prove a crime, they can be used to create the framework of your case. Call logs are evidence and you need to get that superiority complex checked
@@BlueGangsta1958 says the guy who has to be right… lmao. There is no evidentiary hearing in a civil matter… check your superiority. Call logs have nothing to do with video evidence, stay on topic. Call logs prove calls were made nothing more. There is no “framework” in a civil case. You a blue Smurf my dude.
It's the choices and decisions she made that caused this whole ordeal. From being upset about the amount of food she was given in an order, then deciding to call & complain about it, then not being satisfied with the response or original offer from the owner, then to write a review, etc. These were all points to shift the trajectory of this insignificant problem, but each choice she made was to escalate. Now she is begging for money to pay for legal representation over 2 perceived missing pieces of corn. Why? What's the driving motivation behind her choices? Whatever it is, she should work on that.
@@sfrancisco8Z401QHthe repeated calls were the only real wrong, as well as what she said to them. But there is nothing wrong with complaining, or leaving a review. They are just words (don’t misread, she was wrong for the calls past 1). But to be a business and reply this way speaks volumes about them. As do the other reviews they have.
There is a saying, "every stupid rule is there because of a stupid person doing something stupid". At first I thought that it was craycray to take someone to court over a tiktok, and then I remembered just how some people can be on those apps and I realized that there really does need to be some sort of legal precedence to govern those things (civil, criminal...based on circumstances of course). The days of the internet being this free to do anything world are gone, and it is largely due to my initial quote being truth.
This chick picked a fight over CORN. “Calmly” called this man and his mother names. Then continues calling back and getting hung up on. OVER CORN. And that’s not harassment? Okay, girl.
@@lindseystein9676I know crazy things can happen, but it’s hard to believe that a judge found her guilty solely because the other party was a business owner and then asked her “why would a business owner lie and say you’re harassing him if you weren’t.”
That she's claiming she can't get the transcripts or that there isn't one makes me doubt her whole story. She can just fill out the transcript request form. You can get them in a day if you pay enough money.
You are not guaranteed an attorney in civil cases, which this likely is. You are only provided a public defender when you have been charged with a crime by the police and this doesn't seem like this would fall under that. So if she was charged with a crime, then she denied the public defender. Otherwise, she had to pay for a lawyer herself.
just like people misunderstand when miranda rights are applicable, many people misunderstand when they’re allowed to be freely appointed a lawyer. education is important.
This whole thing is bizarre. I’m not sure I believe anything about this. They would have court transcripts, but I’m not sure if they can be released. I wouldn’t donate because of how bananas this sounds. None of it makes any sense.
@@devlintaylor9520 And telling the restaurant that they're wrong when they explained they basically give it away by weight/size and not by number?? That makes perfect sense for stuff that's not going to be uniform size like a chicken nugget. I also thought it was really suspicious that when she was explaining her side of what happened she was like "And he said - well anyway it doesn't matter." Why did she leave out part of what happened?
Okay so the whole thing about there not being transcripts is a lie. If it’s state court - which it totally is - then there are ALWAYS transcripts UNLESS the proceedings were sealed which the court would only do with a very good reason and there simply isn’t one. She’s legally allowed to appeal the ruling. To do so, she would need the transcripts for that so they would definitely give them to her if she went through the appropriate channels. As for the call logs thing, the business owner wouldn’t have been able to prove his case without giving them to the court so they would have already had them and wouldn’t need a second copy from the defendant.
It could have been a 3rd party that did the transcripts, considering it was a civil case. In which case, the court clerk she contacted wouldn't have them, and she needs to figure out what company did a court transcript, if any. Considering how willfully ignorant she has been about being sued, I wish her luck with finding out much of anything
I feel like she is not telling the full truth of the situation. She admits to being rude and cussing on the phone and calling the business multiple times despite being hung up on every time. That is concerning behavior over missing 2 pieces of corn. Her choosing to represent herself is so idiotic. I don’t know anything about court but I do know there is a proper way to submit paperwork and evidence and you will always lose if you represent yourself with no knowledge of our court system.
On one hand, it does seem like the restaurant has some history of being rude and a jack ass. But, on the other hand why didn't she at least ask for advice? Or Googled what to do in a Court room. Because at least then she would have know to give her evidence before hand. She basically made it easy for the restaurant to win the case. And now they all have to waste more time and money to do a second round.
You only get a lawer given to you if you are a criminal defendant but this is a civil matter so she would have to pay. If the cops arest you, you get a free laywer, if you sue someone or they sue you then you are on your owb
There were quite a few holes in her story. In the original call when asked "did she want to come down to the restaurant" she said she couldn't as she had her kids, then a few seconds later says "my husband was there listening". So were you alone with your kids or was your husband there who maybe could have helped? I also find it interesting (unless it's in the second video that was removed) that at no point through any of this, did she actually show the review she left, and a redacted version of their doxxing. As this was the major part of your issue, it seems strange not to substantiate it? At the end of the day, this feels a bit like "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" all because you weren't prepared to accept their very first answer of "it's based on weight, not a set quantity"
She didn't receive an item and she called them ready to fight I doubt she called them calm. And she called them over and over then swore about his mother over a missing item . I doubt he called her racial slurs she is a hot head mess .
5:24 Anything released without consent that is classified as confidential (I.e. can be linked to PHI) can be considered doxxing. This includes phone number, last name, DOB, SSN, not just personal address.
@@lindseystein9676 nope. Actually not how that works. No one has any right or need to release anyone else’s private information and can be found liable regardless of intent. It’s all confidential as it’s linked to PHI.
I think she’s a liar. She didn’t have a lawyer, so she didn’t submit her documents beforehand which you have to do. The judge would’ve clearly explained that to her when he was refusing to see them the date of court. then she got on TikTok and left that part out. She’s a liar. And you have to request and pay for a transcript. Again. Another piece of info she would have been told by the judge that she left out. convenient. So you know she’s conveniently leaving out other facts.
A fool represents themselves. This whole situation sucks, but she should’ve gotten an attorney if she was gonna sue. She could file an appeal, but seriously HIRE AN ATTORNEY!
The judge that appears on the socket has to legally be the judge that hears her case and transcripts have to be legally filed and available for purchase. She's lying. Plain and simple.
I bet she was talking rude from the jump. And I don’t get why you say you can’t go and get the difference because you have your kids but then say your husband was there too. Surely one of you could have gone and picked up the difference. I could see if you were home alone just you and the kids and the husband had the car but both adults were literally there according to her so somebody could have gone and gotten it. Oh dear god. Everything and everyone is racist innit?? I’m so tired of hearing about “blah blah blah is racist” everything is racist today. Don’t show no proof, just holler racism. This shit getting old.
I live in PA and have some experience with the legal system in this state. There is no transcript of regular court proceedings that are just ruled on by a judge, they will sometimes record proceedings but not in the lower courts where they would obtain the initial ruling. Also she showed up without a lawyer and this is Pittsburgh, unfortunately due process has a time limit especially in big cities, and I'm sure the Judge didn't think this would go any farther. Good thing she found representation bc all her statements and Tic Toks are going to look like the harassment they (Gordos) are claiming to a judge.
PA resident here, you can bring evidence to lower level court without logging it first (personal experience with bad landlord), lawyer is not provided for low level, hearing its in Pittsburgh it all makes sense. Pittsburgh is one of my favorite cities but is pretty corrupt
This was such a non-issue to begin with, and she turned it into some gigantic drama storm that really didn't need to happen. Her problem was, she just had to be right and she had to get her way. If you feel they didn't give you the correct order, just don't order from them again! If you are not happy with a business, don't go there, don't buy their items/food, spend your money somewhere else. In my last apartment, I ordered some Domino's pizza one time. I'd had Domino's before and it wasn't bad. However, this time was horrendous. The most disgusting pizza I've ever had. Tasted like they cooked cardboard right into the dough. I didn't call and complain, I didn't start some weird entitled feud online. I just sucked it up, learned my lesson, and never bought from that Domino's again. The Domino's closest to my new apartment is actually quite good. So I order from them sometimes. That's the thing about businesses, there's always another one to spend your money at. Don't like one, go to another. Stop being privileged and entitled and stupid. Not every negative thing you experience needs to be broadcast online. People need to learn to pick their battles, and this wasn't a battle worth starting in the first place. Yes, doxxing her was wrong, but she didn't need to be making multiple phone calls and tiktoks. If she'd just left her review and spent her money somewhere else, this wouldn't have happened. Both of them are shitty.
For real. "Hey I normally get 4 pieces but you only gave me 3" "Well we give them away based on size so if you got a big one we'd give you 3 instead of 4" "Oh okay that makes sense" the end - that's how it should've gone. MAYBE then the restaurant offering her a free order to make up for the confusion. And then the end. By the way Domino's is super nice about making up for issues with orders. I've gotten some not-good ones and I don't complain about all of them but sometimes they've been horrendous and just filling out the "how was your order" feedback has been good. They even gave us a free pizza once when we gave feedback that they didn't give the delivery guy our address - like they gave him the street address but not our apartment number so he had to call to ask where we were. We didn't even complain we were just like "hey you should tel the delivery drivers the apartment numbers" and they still gave us a free pizza.
I think it is ok to give a business feedback. But calmly and professionally. If they are rude in response or don't listen or argue with me, I do it and strike them off my list of restaurants for the future. Some business owners really appreciate the feedback. I just ditch the ones who respond negatively if I have an issue
I see a bunch of people saying she should have got an attorney, but i feel like hiring an attorney is out of reach for many people, at least speaking from my own situation, as i dont know hers.
You only get a lawyer appointed to you if you've been charged with a crime. You don't get one for civil matters. BUT you should NEVER go to to court without a lawyer.
So, the business is corrupt, the judge is corrupt, and the court is corrupt, and she's appealing judgment all because of a piece of corn? The time and now money being wasted because of a piece of corn, and clout chasing imo, is absurd. Was the corn even good? Eesh.
This sounds like it was the woman’s fault things went this far. She called and said she didn’t get the number of items she thought she should have. They told her that is not how it works it’s based on weight. Literally the end of the story. Say “oh really, didn’t know that thought it was quantity- sorry about that have a nice day” instead of wanting something you didn’t pay for and then getting mad when they’re frustrated with you not understanding what they’ve already told you… really weird behavior!
I’m born and raised in Pittsburgh and I’ve never been to Gordos but had to say It was so cute how you thought you couldn’t pronounce Pittsburgh correctly. Almost to 500K! Keep ip the great work 🎉
Well, this is the second time (in as many days) that I hear about a story in my part of the world.....from a CZcamsr 😂 Thanks Markie. There are all kinds of issues with her story. First, I was thrown by the word "guilt". I'm guessing this was a civil trial because she wasn't provided an attorney for free. There is no guilt or innocence in a civil trial. A person is either "responsible" or "not responsible" for the allegations. Next, there are rules of court (a few people already mentioned this fact).Evidence needs to be submitted BY all parties and TO all parties (including the judge) in ADVANCE. One may not just walk into court the day of the trial and try to hand over evidence. All parties need to be able to review the evidence beforehand. Next, she WILL be able to get a transcript of the proceedings once the court reporter finishes completing the paperwork. It's not free, though. I hesitate to take sides, but her information so far is not credible. No one was against her in court (except the other litigant) so she shouldn't imply that was the case.
Someone who knows nothing about the legal system yet wants to abuse it! As a lawyer and a small claims court mediator I can tell you with confidence, these people think that they can play lawyer and “how hard can it be!” Her alleged justification for the judges ruling is idiotic. You have to pay the court reporter for transcripts too.
Someone pointed out why the harassment suit was upheld, and they’re right this was handled poorly by this person, but I hope a lawyer who sees this situation is willing to do pro bono work with her and file a counter suit for doxxing. Just because the ruling isn’t unjust, doesn’t mean a separate lawsuit against the restaurant for doxxing and emotional damages wouldn’t also be just.
Reminder: companies are not required to talk with you professionally, they can call you whatever name they desire barring actual defimation. They can speak to you rudely and they can mock you. Stay mad Karens of the world. Shes getting what she deserves for call spamming and acting like a fool. Guarantee the reports of harrassement to the employees are genuine. She screams the type to be malicous about petty stuff like this
If she hired a Lawyer, he wouldn’t have allowed her to repeat all of what she stated again. I don’t believe she has actually hired one, hence the GoFundMe. She is trying to get money to hire one. If she had already put a partial payment down to retain an attorney, she would have stated “she has retained an attorney” or “under the advice of counsel, she will update you after the Appeal”.
@@anon-bs7cn if it wasn’t a civil case it would’ve been her or the restaurant vs the State 🙄. Not the restaurant vs her. Police involvement (really meaning they were just called) doesn’t mean it’s a criminal case. How are y’all like this?!?
@@Januaryjenkins how tf do you know the case itself wasn’t titled vs the state? Literally why would she mention that 🙄 no one talks about their case that way when it was set off by a complaint by a specific person
Also, as someone who has worked in the industry a long time, there are a TON of portions that are done by weight/size and not by number. You're getting the same amount of food whether or not you have six pieces of chicken, for example, or five. In her case, four elotes instead of six. If he asked her what she wanted him to do about it, then my assumption, as someone who has had this happen to them would be that he explained that it was done by size not number, and she refused to believe him and kept telling him that she ALWAYS got three pieces per order not two, and she ordered the same thing ALL the time and this is absolutely RIDICULOUS. At which point, at a busy restaurant you don't really have time to talk in circles with someone, so you say that you've already explained the situation, so what does the customer expect you to do. They aren't getting free food or a credit because they weren't scammed. And sometimes restaurants change their portion sizes. That can happen. The ingredients get more expensive so they adjust the size of the order instead of charging more.
The best thing to do when you have a bad experience with a business is never use them again, life is short, move on. Give your money to the good restaurants and the bad ones will fold.
She is definitely not a lawyer and did not follow proper court procedures. I am personally holding any opinions since we are only hearing one side. Especially after the video of the girl claiming she was "thrown downstairs" just to have the business release the security footage. I'll be interested to see the actual court documents, though.
It sounds like she didn’t submit her evidence before the trial. A person has to submit evidence to the court beforehand. Anything they bring with them to the hearing that hasn’t been submitted will not be looked at. In America we can get a free lawyer when we are charged with a crime but you aren’t given a lawyer for civil cases.
Was going to comment exactly this.
NO SHE CAN'T GET A FREE ATTORNEY.
I submitted my evidence beforehand and the judge still refused to look at it so I know for a fact that it can happen based on personal experience
@@sirpiddlefartiiiwas that criminal or civil?
@@DanielleStarry civil
Never, ever go to court without a lawyer. It's like showing up to race in NASCAR without a car
Not everyone can afford a lawyer and they aren't provided for civil cases.
... you do realize the cars are brought in by semi and unloaded at the race track right? They DO go to the Nascar race wirhout a car.
@@opheliamunroe1110 lawyers are provided if you're the defendant, not the prosecutor.
That’s just dumb advice. Why would you need a lawyer for a speeding ticket? I’ve defended myself several different times & won every time. They were misdemeanors tho. If it’s a felony charge you best get a lawyer. With civil cases, it just depends on what the plaintiff is asking whether you get representation or not.
@@whenimmanicimgodly4228 as a lawyer myself, I can attest that we are also brought in by semi trucks and unloaded at the court house. Much more organized that way.
I guarantee that the reason the tapes weren't allowed is because there's a process to get evidence allowed in court, and she didn't know that because she's not a lawyer.
100%
Usually in civil cases like this, they let you submit it when you're present.
@Bodharas It's clearly a criminal case so not allowable
@@GeekishLexi if it was a criminal case she would have received representation
She doesn’t seem very bright
“so i kept calling the restaurant”
“they said i keep calling the restaurant harassing them, which i am not “
i have doubts lol
She kept calling but she said they would hang up on her so she never got to talk to/threaten anyone. I’ve done that on customers. You see the number and pick up the phone then hang up
Same, also calling him a bitch. But he did doxx her 😭
No reason to doxx ..
Never a reason to post someone’s name amid phone number
@@WaffleSalad Eh it still would count as harassment in my eyes. I mean a rational person would know that after they hang up a couple of times that it's obvious they don't want to talk to you. But she continued to call them.
She can say she wasn't harassing them but in my eyes she was and the judge had the same view.
Court is a lot more complicated than us regulars think which is why you should never ever represent yourself.
Even lawyers who are charged with something will show up with a lawyer. A favorite quote used is "The man who represents himself has a fool for a client" - Abraham Lincoln.
@@Lynn-kh5rswas just about to quote that 😂😂😂
@@Lynn-kh5rsit’s just so effective!!!
almost as bad as testifying in your own defense
Not everyone can afford a lawyer
She wasn’t “found guilty” and the fact that she thinks that shows how badly she needed a lawyer. There is no guilt or innocence in civil court, only liable or not liable 🤦🏽♀️ she also should have submitted all of her evidence when she filed her response to the lawsuit. I don’t think she understood anything that was happening or the outcome.
In civil suits, you can absolutely submit on the day of, in court. You do not need to submit anything beforehand. Source: me, my fiance, and our roommates at the time beat a huge rental company in civil court with no lawyer because they were too expensive. We got everything we wanted.
Might be true but no need to be condescending, she's obviously not an expert
@@taylorbug9 right, but submitting your evidence with your filing strengthens your case and makes it more efficient. I’m glad you won your case, it can be nerve wracking to go to court because you never know which way it will go. Did you go to small claims court? People in small claims courts tend to represent themselves because most lawyers don’t want to spend time on small claims cases, and a lot of people going to small claims can’t afford an attorney.
@@imnumber142 which is why an attorney is helpful, or at least consulting someone before going to court.
@melanielopez735 thank you 😊. It was just civil court. They were trying to illegally evict us two weeks after renting us a trailer with a broken water heater. Paid them over 2k to move in, and the place still had dog vomit in the carpet from the previous owner. They hadn't cleaned or inspected a single thing between the last tenant and us. Knowing we couldn't look at it in person before signing. But it wasn't all bad in the end. They refused our rent for 5 months while the court case was going on, and we set all that money aside like we were supposed to. So when the judge ruled in our favor, he also ruled that they couldn't ask for the money they had refused for 5 months. So we got to spend that money on a new place, as we also wanted out of the lease with them and got that.
You can't get a free attorney for civil suits.
Yes you can. I used to think this too but its an organization called Legal Services and in the US you can get free legal help for civil cases as long as you qualify as lower income.
@AccordingtoJexi there are free/low cost legal aid for civil courts, but it's not a right and the Court will not appoint a lawyer for a defendant. Civil cases need to retain their own counsel.
@@AccordingtoJexiThis. There are attorneys that do pro bono work, you just don't get automatically *provided* an attorney by the state if you're not on trial in criminal court.
I agree it is not an automatic right but too many people do not know it is an option to them because we have always been told its only for criminal. But Legal Services DOES help in a lot of cases
@@AccordingtoJexi Not court appointed. You can have somebody pick you up pro bono
If the judge wouldn’t view her call log, she didn’t submit it right. You have to provide any evidence ahead of court, in my experience, so the other party can’t get blindsided.
I was looking if someone picked that up. The judge looks over all documents before even entering. so probably had already made their decision if all they had to go off was the business' evidence.
That's usually in criminal cases. In civil cases like this they often allow you to present evidence while you're there. Regardless, the burden of proof is on who filed the complaint. A single testimony isn't enough evidence without corroboration.
There are judges who refuse to look at evidence tho, you can just have really bad luck sometimes. Not saying for sure it happened in this instance but it has happened before.
@@Bodharasthis sounds like a criminal case to me.
Pretty sure this is civil court because it's between citizens (even if one is a business owner). Criminal court is when the government charges you with something.
You are only assigned a lawyer in a criminal case. This is a civil case and so any lawyer would have to be paid for by the person going to court.
This sounds like it is a criminal court. It’s harassment, that’s a criminal offence… also, if it was a civil case… it’s waaay too quick for all that to have unravelled.
@@brackenrobertson799 you'd think that, but even though harassment is technically criminal, it is almost always handled as a civil case if battery or assault was not involved
@@randomweeb9179depends on the state. My state handles all harrassment as criminal, not civil.
@@brackenrobertson799if it was criminal court she would have been arrested and tried by a prosecutor on behalf of the state. This is a private civil suit.
Harassment is criminal.
(pronounces it perfectly) "idk how to pronounce it sorry americans" lol
😄 Gotta love it
I think he left out the H😅
@@noth1ng5id pretty sure the H in Pittsburgh is silent lol
@@TwiggyHetfield27 can confirm. From the States and never heard anyone pronounce the h in Pittsburgh
She said herself she called multiple times and in a final one had started cussing them out. So that's enough to be considered harassment. "Justifications" don't matter.
Yeah, weird how people overlooked that. She said herself she called multiple times. I highly doubt she only got irate on the last call.
Then again they did claim she did it against the police when she didn't.
if we're trusting her word, then his wife also harrassed her and should be charged? based on Pennsylvania code Title 18, chapter 27, 2709. It also could be argued, that the customer didnt meet the requirements of section a, part 3 & 4 which are the only POSSIBLE sections according to her which she committed. calling 3 or 4 times isnt extreme or annoying especially during such a short time period, and with the importance of purpose being clearly stated within the statute, it erases that completely. She had a legitimate purpose (ie. a refund/etc.). She then was angered by the treatment, she then used AN obscene word (called him " bitch and so is his mom"). not multiple, not excessively or repeatedly. Thats NOT enough to be considered harassment rationally.
@minilea144 she also said they didnt answer TILL the last one
@@kitkatherine23 she made the mistake of corroborating the accusations against her. Restaurant says "She called multiple times, made threats and used abusive language, she had been warned about it the first call but harassed us anyway" Then she went and said "Yes, I was told not to scream in the first call, yes I called multiple times, yes I swore at whoever answered on a call eventually." Bam, restaurant practically has a confession that fits their lawsuit. If she had hired a lawyer, they would have told her to keep quiet.
She would have to sue the wife and prove harassment for a win. Has the wife practically confessed that she had?
She screwed herself over in every step. First, it is extremely common for restaurants to use weight/size for the entrees, not just quantity. Second, she definitely did a poor job representing herself and submitting evidence for the lawsuit, which is probably why the judge found her guilty. Third, this whole situation is ridiculous. She should have let it go after the first phone call. Goddamn. I am not on anyone’s side here. Idiots all around.
They use weight maybe when there is stakes involved and their using precooked meat because they could gaurentee the weight after the food is cooked but when they say you get a certain amount of pieces they mean that. I've never gotten 6 nuggets because they were the same weight as 10 pieces.
@@cintaminbunny What are you taking about? She’s not talking about nuggets. She’s talking about Elote, a Mexican corn. Corn comes in all sizes, so naturally, there will be smaller corn and bigger corn. The same would go for chicken tenders btw. Nuggets usually are the same size. Restaurants use weight for entrees and portions. It’s just a fact.
@@h00dles33 you must've never heard of examples
@@h00dles33bro why? This is so not worth arguing. But for this poor dude I'll mention chicken tenders at restaurants usually go by pieces, at least many in the U.S. do. Same for many variable-in-size items. You get 3 burger sliders. Entrees and sides especially. Maybe you're fancier than we and you're going to places I've never been, but this seems to be a mom and pop shop
I think it was perfectly reasonable of her to leave a negative review if she had a negative experience??
I’m not sure about anyone else, but it seems so stupid to end up in court over… corn? Like, I feel this could’ve ended if she just called it a loss and never went back. Maybe do a chargeback? But to call back incessantly after management clearly doesn’t care is wild, especially when it ended up like this.
ITS CORN
Facts! She went wayyy overboard. Then using the kids as an excuse? Nah she crazy she acted absolutely childish. I’m glad they sued her and won. You don’t get to act like that.
That's what adults do
@@IIcute24I agree!
You do not get a free lawyer for civil lawsuits, I’m guessing she didn’t file the paperwork correctly.
In the UK, you get a lawyer regardless of the "suit". That may be because suing is not very popular here as it is in America. All citizens must be able to defend themselves regardless of whether it is civil or criminal.... So, it's a shame that you don't get aid for civil court in the US
You don't need to. You can present everything in court on the day
You don't have to file any paperwork.
@@taylorbug9What do you think a civil lawsuit is? It’s ALL paperwork lol. I work in civil litigation.
@@bombadillo cool, that doesn't change my experience. We did not have to submit a single thing before the court case. Not one.
There is a proper way to enter evidence. Without a lawyer or counsel, she probably didn’t enter it properly.
Agree
She didn’t enter it at all. She brought it with her the day of court!
@@lillymurray8408 see I didn’t know that specifically, but that sounds about right. Thanks for the info.
I used to be a victim services advocate and therefore sat through many harassment claims. She admitted to calling several times (which is legally defined as harassment on its own in most places, I.e. unwanted phone calls) and the derogatory expletives, that sealed her fate. Likely the judge didn’t see her evidence because it occurred after what could have been considered antagonistic behavior on her part and made a ruling based on what she admitted. The owner did not request, “no contact,” according to her account of the events but the judge might have decided since he disconnected the call, refused the other calls, and when he did take the last call she choose to verbally attack him instead of seek mediation the judge made his ruling upon that. That being said- I think everyone involved is quite juvenile. Everyone’s behavior in the situation is ridiculous. It should not have escalated to court- considering THAT court serves families and women that are often experiencing true harassment in the vein of domestic violence and/or stalking…to be there over a Mexican food platter is a waste of everyone’s time.
If a person doesn’t want to talk to you- don’t contact them. Because most laws state that unless there is extraneous circumstances (and even then) if someone has asked you or made it clear that they do not want to be contacted by you doing so can make you liable. I don’t believe she was in the wrong with her complaint and she should not have been doxxed. But unfortunately impulsivity and some missteps makes the ruling just- even if it’s not fair. This likely is not this restaurant’s first rodeo and it sounds like they knew exactly how to manipulate the situation.
Yeah they shouldn't have doxxed her, but calling the guy and his mom a bitch for asking "what do you want me to do" is ridiculous. Maybe he said it rudely but I interpreted that as "what would you like me to do to make this right with you". And all this because she said the restaurant was wrong that they give food out based on size/weight and not amount?? She and the restaurant are both stupid.
Thanks for this comment
People often forget just and fair may not be the same result. She engaged in harassing behavior (she admitted it, they didn't). Her evidence want submittable, so the only thing the judge had to go by is her own admissions of guilt and their denials of guilt. 🤷♀️
@@inventedcool1076 people really have to keep stuff like this off the internet- she immortalized her omission of guilt and escalated it to the court system. This is a waste of the court’s time.
I think you missed the part where the owner claimed she called the staff "for days".
@@turnoffthetv not relevant to what we can reasonably presume she was found guilty of which was her omission in the original TikTok.
This is civil not criminal so she doesn’t get an assigned lawyer.
No? This sounds like criminal harassment considering that police are involved
@@anon-bs7cnthere was no crime committed. That’s civil to me. I just had a run in with the police after being wrongfully evicted. They didn’t do anything about it because it was criminal. They can understand something wrong is being done but if it’s not breaking criminal law then no it’s civil.
Sounds like she could the eagle team...
@@CRAZyLittleMeMe you realize harassment, unlike evictions, exist in criminal law right….? And she was found guilty…. Guilt doesn’t exist in civil cases
@@CRAZyLittleMeMe no shit if no alleged crime was committed, it’s not criminal law. There’s this thing called criminal harassment.
This is what happens when 2 dramatic Karens have a confrontation🤣 Like who calls a Restaurant to complain about being shorted a piece of corn💀 And who takes someone to court over a bad review😂
RIGHT! That’s what I was thinking. Like both sides are petty. Clearly this restaurant/management has its issues, but they’ve also had bad reviews before that didn’t end in a court case. Which leads me to believe she is not as innocent as she’s making herself out to be 😬
So, if her husband was there why couldn't she go to the restaurant to resolve her issue?
They have no car, just a bike.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Againbut that’s not what she said. She repeated herself in video that she told him she had her kids & couldn’t come in there…..not that she didn’t have vehicle to get there.
To make sure I’m fully on the same page.. this was over 2 missing pieces of an appetizer?
Yes 😂
Yep. Pretty petty b,s, I tend to think she might be a little drama queen. Especially over 2 missing pieces if appetizer.
You know what’s wild… I used to get one of those old school phone books delivered to my house every year until I was in university, and it’s crazy to think that was just a massive book with all our full names, phone numbers and addresses… delivered to everyone. And even crazier that the world is so unsafe now that younger generations can’t even fathom that that’s how it used to be 😢😢
Or we would call the “operator” to get a phone number. It was 411 in Montreal. it was super rare that someone would make their phone numbers private.
We’ve been getting phone books until maybe 15 years ago. lol
@@ellaella5537Really!? I'd thought it would be a different number because it was also 411 in the States. I remember the Yellow Pages. The "yellow" section was strictly businesses and the "white" pages were for residential. However, even though that was "doxxing" back in the day, unlike now with everything being online, there was a way to opt out being included in the "white pages" section and different forms of the "opting out" as well. Your name and phone number could be available but not your address and you could also opt for using a PO BOX as a residential address and that would appear. If you truly wanted to be excluded, I believe would have to call "The Yellow Pages" company specifically to opt out and pay a fee (to be fair I could be remembering the pay a fee part wrong) but I swear that's what my grandma did in the 80s to stay out of the book.
Edit: I'm an idiot. The "Yellow Pages" company was just straight up Pacific Bell.
I think about this all the time when people go on about doxxing. It just doesn't seem that serious to me, probably because I grew up with phone books and operators who could connect you to anyone.
@@JohnSaysHitell me you know nothing about the internet without saying a word.
People have literally died because they were doxxed. One dude didn’t give up a username on a website and got swatted. Ended up having a heart attack from it.
The reason phone books weren’t a problem is because long distance charges were unreal and people weren’t willing to pay them. Now you call call anywhere, write and email anyone’s boss/family/friends and make their entire life hell for no extra charge and with the comfort of anonymity.
Right?! In Australia we had the Yellow Pages (businesses) and White Pages (Residential) and it would cost you a significant amount of money to keep your info out of the White Pages. Not anymore obviously, now you just request it and done.
The way the company reacted to her is why i will never leave a review or complain to a company ever. I just never go back.
The only time I got pissed enough to leave a negative review and file a complaint against a restaurant was when my food allergies weren't taken seriously and I nearly died. Yeah, I was beyond the point of anger and you bet I wasn't polite about it. However, the owner of the restaurant didn't release my personal information or threaten me with a lawsuit.
I rarely have, unless they're absolutely horrible, and it's been a while. Now I'm considering going back years and deleting my review(s) if I can
They aren't legally allowed to do what they did. If she could afford an attorney, her interests would be protected.
I'm a paranoid person myself so I'm not judging but that's a wild overcorrection. Like I get it, but this isn't a common thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Yeah no I always leave a bad reviews
Something smells funny here. Nothing about her story of what happened in court makes much sense. No, you cannot just show up with evidence the day of the trial. No, a log of how many times she called the restaurant won't 'exonerate her.' No, you aren't found guilty in civil cases (and if this wasn't a civil case, why defend yourself, dummy?). And also we aren't allowed to see a transcript of the terrible things she claims the judge said because 'they don't have it.'
....sure hun, they lost the transcript. If that's true then your appeal should be a slam dunk because they fucked up the paperwork.
Yes, you can! This is civil court! Not criminal. I've been to civil court, and you DO NOT need to submit evidence beforehand! We went up against a rental company, we had no lawyer, and we got everything we wanted.
And when we asked for the transcripts after they claimed there were none. Not that we had to call a different office for them. There were none. Is what they said. Zoom cases are being handled differently these days.
@@taylorbug9 Sounds like your case is the outlier, because every civil case I have seen, you have to submit what you have for evidence before court. Especially if the judge asked for that before the court date. Usually things get thrown out or the defendant is found liable if something was asked for and they never got back to them with it.
My mother's case for evicting my sister was thrown out simply because 3 months before the court trial happened, she didn't produce what letter or written notice she gave to my sister to leave the house. So she had to start all over again, sending the notice, waiting the allotted time, then making sure she caught the subtle email of what time her case even was.
Personally, I just assume that she had no idea of what was going on. I know I would be very much out of my depth if I were to try to represent myself in court and I certainly wouldn't understand all the legalese.
That being said, her own account of events may already fall under harassment, depending on the laws in Pittsburgh.
@@taylorbug9 I think maybe you are a little bit confused from watching Judge Judy or something...
She was acting insane. Calling a restaurant multiple times in a night then ending with telling the manager he and his Mom are a b$&*%? I have worked in restaurants and she is 100% downplaying her part in this. It can actually get scary when someone is calling 100x over corn and swearing etc… it can make you feel really uneasy working somewhere like they may come in and cause trouble.
Sure but the owner could've just said "Oh sorry, we'll send you some more corn, again we're very sorry" & this whole thing could've been avoided if the owner just told her they'd send some more corn out to her
Agree with both of you
She was acting insane but I also think the restaurant was pretty out of line. When two crazy people clash it just gets bad.
True but posting her private information after her view isn't the right way. Especislly if they've shown to make threats, that's pretty much escalating the situation.
@riddlerosehearts8277 right but also they don't have to do that. They gave her a reason why she only got wbat she was given. She was given a reason, she didn't like it. She should have dropped it
She didn’t read the court rules- never sent it to the other side, didn’t file it in the appropriate time. She can represent herself but she’s responsible to know the was rules 😎
Based on her initial TikTok alone she admitted to being guilty to what she was taken to court for. Also evidence has to be submitted before court. Thats why the judge wouldn’t look at what she brought the day off.
I thing she thought it was like Judge Judy, lol. Good grief...
Doubt the judge just said “no I won’t look at your evidence” she probably didn’t file it correctly or something.
But also in this situation call logs prove nothing except that she called them multiple times. The claims she made would need to have audio to prove she was cursed out and hung up on after getting her personal information put on a public platform without her consent.
@@wolffisu true 😂
I believe the judge said it… it’s important to know the judge’s expertise because some of them can pretend to be neutral but demonstrate bias with off hand comments. Many court videos exist showing this behavior
@wolffisu if it was true that they hung up on here before she could say anything up till the last call, then the logs would show that with timestpams/duration. If the call only connects for a second than it shows she couldn't have harassed them verbally. Also it's pretty reasonable to try calling again when it's about something you feel is important (like being refunded for food you didn't get)
@@AskMiko If I were the judge, I would have said it too. "No, I wont look at your evidence." she didnt submit it beforehand, like youre supposed to do. The judge had every right to deny the evidence
Tbh it sounds like she was harassing him. You can’t call them repeatedly and/or call the guy and his mother a bitch. She could be telling the truth but she was still in the wrong.
I wouldn't call I would just leave a reviee
She didn't call repeatedly. She called once to complain about her order. As anyone would do. He got aggressive so she got aggressive back and hung up. Then she left a negative review and they released her information in response. In all cases they were in the wrong as a business, especially one she frequented often. I'll believe her because the reviews before her post also show that they are unprofessional and aggressive. And clearly dirty and not following health codes. They need to be closed.
@@akwrdlyprrfct8879she clearly and explicitly states in her TikTok that she called multiple times
@@akwrdlyprrfct8879I don’t even disagree that the place is terrible and in the wrong. It’s just legally, what she did falls under harassment.
She can call someone’s mom a bitch though, freedom of speech and all. But yeah you can’t harass. But I would nvr go to that restaurant in the first place, they seem petty
i mean calling a place of business repeatedly to have words with them and at the end berate them is harassment. it's also so not the way to deal with the situation. not saying the staff or owner were in the right or even that they ran a nice place to visit, but that doesnt make her actions magically okay. if i worked there and she acted that way bc of fucking corn id be foaming at the mouth to tell her to get a hobby ngl
But they released her private info
@@randomlyswatching9481 To paraphrase a certain TV show: "cool motive, still harassment". Or, to put it another way, two wrongs don't make a right. She's outright admitted she called them multiple times (which, yes, is legally defined as harassment if the other party have made it clear the attempted communication is unwanted which it seems the company did) and used calling the guy's mother a bitch just as an example of what she said, meaning she probably also said a lot worse since she'll naturally be trying to make herself look the best she can while giving her version of events. Regardless of the company's actions before or after the fact, what she did is legally defined as harassment.
Honestly, given the information available, neither parties in this case come out of it looking well and neither really has any claim to a moral high ground, only a legal one - just going by the parameters of the court case (and not knowing the specifics of the laws in Pittsburgh), the judge was right to find her liable. If she wants to take action against the company for releasing her private information, that's another matter entirely.
This is why you get lawyers, as expensive as they are, they do know how it works and what to do. It's not like tv and it involves a lot of paperwork and following the rules of court.
Many judges in the states are horrid. My DV protective order judge told me I wasn't r@ped or abused bc we were in a relationship and should have been obedient if I didn't like being corrected
That’s fucking horrific, omfg I am so sorry
That's vile. Sadly there are some old time judges (or judges with this boomer mentality) who will say such... ugly things. I wish I could say that I'm surprised about that since there are even laws about spousal assault on the books... but like I said... he was probably an old-times judge since they usually say some out of pocket things. (I said usually because I remember there was this really elderly judge who you would think was extremely sexist/racist but he was very progressive for his age bracket) Sometimes I wish you could curse out a judge without the fear of being thrown in prison.
I truly hope you are in a much better place now.
I'm sorry to hear that 🥺 I hope your doing ok now
Let me guess? You live down south? They’re awful. Sorry. I absolutely believe you…..
I am sorry that you have to go through that. And yeah, a lot of judges in the States suck and a big problem there is that those judges get elected and have to act like politicians. Elected judges are great in theory, as they are appointed by the community, but in practice that forces them to campaign for their job, rather than be appointed by merit.
She probably didn't enter her evidence properly or have official documents.
In the US, you’re only entitled to an attorney for a criminal case. You are not entitled to an attorney being provided for you for a civil case.
even better reason for me to practice defending myself 😂😂😂😂
The moment the GoFundMe was mentioned it lost all credibility for me 😅 this is all over corn? Everyone in this needs to take a moment and breathe
No, this is over them doxxing and harassing her.
You know being sued costs money that most people don’t have, right?
7:10 I'm not surprised. Evidence is supposed to be submitted beforehand. Once the court date comes it's too late. This is why you need an attorney
Yeah this whole thing just sounds like Karen versus Karen to me. Yes the restaurant shouldn't have doxxed her, but she was ridiculous about this from the beginning. Calling someone's mom a bitch because you didn't get enough corn is ridiculous.
"Calling someone's mom a bitch because you didn't get enough corn is ridiculous" this sentence out of context is hilarious! Also, truly ridiculous. The owners may not be that great, but this woman has issues. Team NO ONE.
Both karens
It’s worse on the business though. At my job I’ve been called loads of stuff, insulted, never ever would we ever publicize or retaliate against someone. Heck, we get ppl who repeatedly call us too. We keep it professional.
EXACTLY. They’re acting like Karen’s
Lady needs to pick her battles. She called SEVERAL times about a piece of corn? lol call once leave a review maybe and move tf on. Don’t go back. So easy. Omg
I definitely agree. Now if they still doxxed her on her review, then I would make more of deal about that. But her problem was not that deep
I wish I had time to be that pressed over a dang piece of corn. Like for example a place I always eat and get pretty much the same thing (these brussel sprouts) gave me whole ones this last time instead of quarters so it looked like less but in reality it was the same amount of food. Restaurants do go by weight and size in some situations and I’ll bet that’s what they do at this place. Regardless starting a war over and go to court over how many pieces of corn you got this time vs last is big toddler energy.,
I see owners call out people by name all the time in reviews and a number is only as telling as you want it to be no one put her address she started the fight and thought she was at Burger King and was going to get it her way this place is a bar they met her with the same energy and she couldn’t handle it. She seems very unhappy and looking for someone to take her hanger out on. Even her last post is b.s said she was appealing and not going to comment any more and proceeds to go on and on about the situation lol now she is using this situation to beg for money from strangers . This is wild. I wonder if she even has a job
Call logs don’t show what was said. That “evidence” isn’t evidence…
Right. The call logs are just going to show her calling them repeatedly lol
Well, they'd show how often she called and maybe how long the calls were. That's not evidence for what was said on the calls, but still evidence for how much communication did occur which could be relevant if, for example, the owners claimed she had called more often than she did. Just because it doesn't prove the case on its own doesn't mean it's not evidence
@@BlueGangsta1958 it not evidence. Making phone calls is not illegal… most of you don’t understand much of anything. Ooo calls were made, we already know that. Again not a crime
@@CAC6363 Neither is being in a specific location. But a photo of you near a crime scene is still part of the quantum of evidence.
Single pieces of evidence don't have to prove a crime, they can be used to create the framework of your case. Call logs are evidence and you need to get that superiority complex checked
@@BlueGangsta1958 says the guy who has to be right… lmao. There is no evidentiary hearing in a civil matter… check your superiority. Call logs have nothing to do with video evidence, stay on topic. Call logs prove calls were made nothing more. There is no “framework” in a civil case. You a blue Smurf my dude.
1. She’s the one who brought it to the internet
2. I just knew she would work a GoFundMe into this somehow
wtf do you expect if she can't afford a lawyer and a business is coming after her with a lawyer? Seems appropriate time for a gofundme
@@theloveofthedead284 play stupid games, win stupid prizes
They are the ones who brought it to the Internet by posting her phone number publicly on their page
It's the choices and decisions she made that caused this whole ordeal. From being upset about the amount of food she was given in an order, then deciding to call & complain about it, then not being satisfied with the response or original offer from the owner, then to write a review, etc. These were all points to shift the trajectory of this insignificant problem, but each choice she made was to escalate. Now she is begging for money to pay for legal representation over 2 perceived missing pieces of corn. Why? What's the driving motivation behind her choices? Whatever it is, she should work on that.
@@sfrancisco8Z401QHthe repeated calls were the only real wrong, as well as what she said to them. But there is nothing wrong with complaining, or leaving a review. They are just words (don’t misread, she was wrong for the calls past 1). But to be a business and reply this way speaks volumes about them. As do the other reviews they have.
There is a saying, "every stupid rule is there because of a stupid person doing something stupid". At first I thought that it was craycray to take someone to court over a tiktok, and then I remembered just how some people can be on those apps and I realized that there really does need to be some sort of legal precedence to govern those things (civil, criminal...based on circumstances of course). The days of the internet being this free to do anything world are gone, and it is largely due to my initial quote being truth.
Just remember the TikTok psychic.
This chick picked a fight over CORN. “Calmly” called this man and his mother names. Then continues calling back and getting hung up on. OVER CORN. And that’s not harassment? Okay, girl.
I think she called first and in last one called em names
I think in the last call she cussed
Regardless of the interactions btwn the business, her explanation of the court proceedings are completely unbelievable.
Exactly this. The girl is so obviously lying because that’s not how anything works.
Idk I don’t think it’s that unbelievable. Especially considering she didn’t have legal representation
Maybe where you live but it’s very believable to me. I’ve seen it happen before!
@@lindseystein9676I know crazy things can happen, but it’s hard to believe that a judge found her guilty solely because the other party was a business owner and then asked her “why would a business owner lie and say you’re harassing him if you weren’t.”
I agree. She didn't understand the process and then just jumped to THEY wouldn't let me.......
That she's claiming she can't get the transcripts or that there isn't one makes me doubt her whole story. She can just fill out the transcript request form. You can get them in a day if you pay enough money.
You're not given a free lawyer on a civil lawsuit. Only for criminal cases.
Some criminal cases can even go lawyer less because of a shortage of defense attorneys in this country...
You pronounced it right! Love your videos, Markie!!!
You are not guaranteed an attorney in civil cases, which this likely is. You are only provided a public defender when you have been charged with a crime by the police and this doesn't seem like this would fall under that. So if she was charged with a crime, then she denied the public defender. Otherwise, she had to pay for a lawyer herself.
i’ve watched so many crime and law shows and i feel like i didn’t know this fact LOL. but i’m grateful for so many people sharing this information.
just like people misunderstand when miranda rights are applicable, many people misunderstand when they’re allowed to be freely appointed a lawyer. education is important.
She’s THAT bothered about food? Why would you keep calling. Just let it go.
She said herself that she made multiple phone calls to the company and had the phone out down on her, that's classed as harassment.
This whole thing is bizarre. I’m not sure I believe anything about this. They would have court transcripts, but I’m not sure if they can be released.
I wouldn’t donate because of how bananas this sounds. None of it makes any sense.
Like why would you harrass a business multiple times asking for "compensation" because they got 1 less piece of corn. Sounds like a karen to me.
@@devlintaylor9520 And telling the restaurant that they're wrong when they explained they basically give it away by weight/size and not by number?? That makes perfect sense for stuff that's not going to be uniform size like a chicken nugget.
I also thought it was really suspicious that when she was explaining her side of what happened she was like "And he said - well anyway it doesn't matter." Why did she leave out part of what happened?
@@FrenkTheJoy And the fact shes nuts enough to represent herself in court. Shes very suspicious
she just said she called him n his mama a bitch and then denied she didnt call and harass them ?????????????????? bffr
She lost because she didn’t have a lawyer.
Okay so the whole thing about there not being transcripts is a lie. If it’s state court - which it totally is - then there are ALWAYS transcripts UNLESS the proceedings were sealed which the court would only do with a very good reason and there simply isn’t one. She’s legally allowed to appeal the ruling. To do so, she would need the transcripts for that so they would definitely give them to her if she went through the appropriate channels. As for the call logs thing, the business owner wouldn’t have been able to prove his case without giving them to the court so they would have already had them and wouldn’t need a second copy from the defendant.
Also, she wasn’t found guilty. She was found liable. Guilt is reserved for criminal cases, not civil.
It could have been a 3rd party that did the transcripts, considering it was a civil case.
In which case, the court clerk she contacted wouldn't have them, and she needs to figure out what company did a court transcript, if any.
Considering how willfully ignorant she has been about being sued, I wish her luck with finding out much of anything
Aren't some food places based upon weight of the food items or even eye-balling (especially for entrees?)
I think there's a grain of salt to be taken from both sides. No one is ever as innocent as they say they are.
Don't you mean a grain of corn? (yes I know I'm extremely funny)
I feel like she is not telling the full truth of the situation. She admits to being rude and cussing on the phone and calling the business multiple times despite being hung up on every time. That is concerning behavior over missing 2 pieces of corn. Her choosing to represent herself is so idiotic. I don’t know anything about court but I do know there is a proper way to submit paperwork and evidence and you will always lose if you represent yourself with no knowledge of our court system.
People better not be donating to the mess 😂 there’s many worthy causes on gofundme this is not one of them
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the only time the court provides free lawyers is for criminal cases, not civil cases.
It’s corn.. they’re both nuts
On one hand, it does seem like the restaurant has some history of being rude and a jack ass.
But, on the other hand why didn't she at least ask for advice? Or Googled what to do in a Court room. Because at least then she would have know to give her evidence before hand.
She basically made it easy for the restaurant to win the case. And now they all have to waste more time and money to do a second round.
Calling multiple times in a short amount of times and yelling curses at them is harassment. You can report reviews or try again another day.
You only get a lawer given to you if you are a criminal defendant but this is a civil matter so she would have to pay. If the cops arest you, you get a free laywer, if you sue someone or they sue you then you are on your owb
She could have applied to Legal Aid. They help people for free.
ooooh is it called Legal Aid only or ?
This isn’t a civil matter… it was clearly criminal if the police were involved. You cannot be found guilty in a civil lawsuit either.
There were quite a few holes in her story. In the original call when asked "did she want to come down to the restaurant" she said she couldn't as she had her kids, then a few seconds later says "my husband was there listening". So were you alone with your kids or was your husband there who maybe could have helped? I also find it interesting (unless it's in the second video that was removed) that at no point through any of this, did she actually show the review she left, and a redacted version of their doxxing. As this was the major part of your issue, it seems strange not to substantiate it? At the end of the day, this feels a bit like "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" all because you weren't prepared to accept their very first answer of "it's based on weight, not a set quantity"
She didn't receive an item and she called them ready to fight I doubt she called them calm. And she called them over and over then swore about his mother over a missing item . I doubt he called her racial slurs she is a hot head mess .
And of course she made a go fund me. This is a huge grift.
5:24 Anything released without consent that is classified as confidential (I.e. can be linked to PHI) can be considered doxxing. This includes phone number, last name, DOB, SSN, not just personal address.
Do you remember phone books?
If the information is released intentionally with bad intentions it’s doxing. If info was released accidentally, it’s not considered doxing
@@whitneyk3708The world is completely different now and acting like it's not doesn't help lol
@@whitneyk3708 people are not phone books 💁🏾♀️
@@lindseystein9676 nope. Actually not how that works. No one has any right or need to release anyone else’s private information and can be found liable regardless of intent. It’s all confidential as it’s linked to PHI.
The whole thing is completely ridiculous! Good grief, I feel slightly more daft after watching that drama.
I think she’s a liar. She didn’t have a lawyer, so she didn’t submit her documents beforehand which you have to do. The judge would’ve clearly explained that to her when he was refusing to see them the date of court.
then she got on TikTok and left that part out. She’s a liar.
And you have to request and pay for a transcript. Again. Another piece of info she would have been told by the judge that she left out. convenient.
So you know she’s conveniently leaving out other facts.
This sounds unbelievably petty all the way around
You are only entitled to a lawyer if its a criminal case
A fool represents themselves. This whole situation sucks, but she should’ve gotten an attorney if she was gonna sue. She could file an appeal, but seriously HIRE AN ATTORNEY!
“A person who represents themselves has a fool for a client”
She didn’t sue. He sued her. And every state is different. She may not get her lawyer paid for if she wins.
Did you listen to any of the video?
"hire an attorney" people dont just generally have the money to hire attorneys
Not everyone can afford an attorney
The judge that appears on the socket has to legally be the judge that hears her case and transcripts have to be legally filed and available for purchase. She's lying. Plain and simple.
She doesn’t seem credible, but without the court transcript there’s no way to know.
I bet she was talking rude from the jump. And I don’t get why you say you can’t go and get the difference because you have your kids but then say your husband was there too. Surely one of you could have gone and picked up the difference. I could see if you were home alone just you and the kids and the husband had the car but both adults were literally there according to her so somebody could have gone and gotten it. Oh dear god. Everything and everyone is racist innit?? I’m so tired of hearing about “blah blah blah is racist” everything is racist today. Don’t show no proof, just holler racism. This shit getting old.
I'm assuming she didn't put her evidence in before the court date. You need to put in evidence way before hand.
Did she ever show the messages from the "wife". Or is she just saying stuff to make herself look like a victim
I live in PA and have some experience with the legal system in this state. There is no transcript of regular court proceedings that are just ruled on by a judge, they will sometimes record proceedings but not in the lower courts where they would obtain the initial ruling. Also she showed up without a lawyer and this is Pittsburgh, unfortunately due process has a time limit especially in big cities, and I'm sure the Judge didn't think this would go any farther. Good thing she found representation bc all her statements and Tic Toks are going to look like the harassment they (Gordos) are claiming to a judge.
PA resident here, you can bring evidence to lower level court without logging it first (personal experience with bad landlord), lawyer is not provided for low level, hearing its in Pittsburgh it all makes sense. Pittsburgh is one of my favorite cities but is pretty corrupt
This was such a non-issue to begin with, and she turned it into some gigantic drama storm that really didn't need to happen. Her problem was, she just had to be right and she had to get her way. If you feel they didn't give you the correct order, just don't order from them again! If you are not happy with a business, don't go there, don't buy their items/food, spend your money somewhere else. In my last apartment, I ordered some Domino's pizza one time. I'd had Domino's before and it wasn't bad. However, this time was horrendous. The most disgusting pizza I've ever had. Tasted like they cooked cardboard right into the dough. I didn't call and complain, I didn't start some weird entitled feud online. I just sucked it up, learned my lesson, and never bought from that Domino's again. The Domino's closest to my new apartment is actually quite good. So I order from them sometimes. That's the thing about businesses, there's always another one to spend your money at. Don't like one, go to another. Stop being privileged and entitled and stupid. Not every negative thing you experience needs to be broadcast online. People need to learn to pick their battles, and this wasn't a battle worth starting in the first place.
Yes, doxxing her was wrong, but she didn't need to be making multiple phone calls and tiktoks. If she'd just left her review and spent her money somewhere else, this wouldn't have happened. Both of them are shitty.
For real. "Hey I normally get 4 pieces but you only gave me 3" "Well we give them away based on size so if you got a big one we'd give you 3 instead of 4" "Oh okay that makes sense" the end - that's how it should've gone. MAYBE then the restaurant offering her a free order to make up for the confusion. And then the end.
By the way Domino's is super nice about making up for issues with orders. I've gotten some not-good ones and I don't complain about all of them but sometimes they've been horrendous and just filling out the "how was your order" feedback has been good. They even gave us a free pizza once when we gave feedback that they didn't give the delivery guy our address - like they gave him the street address but not our apartment number so he had to call to ask where we were. We didn't even complain we were just like "hey you should tel the delivery drivers the apartment numbers" and they still gave us a free pizza.
I think it is ok to give a business feedback. But calmly and professionally. If they are rude in response or don't listen or argue with me, I do it and strike them off my list of restaurants for the future.
Some business owners really appreciate the feedback. I just ditch the ones who respond negatively if I have an issue
I see a bunch of people saying she should have got an attorney, but i feel like hiring an attorney is out of reach for many people, at least speaking from my own situation, as i dont know hers.
You only get a lawyer appointed to you if you've been charged with a crime. You don't get one for civil matters. BUT you should NEVER go to to court without a lawyer.
So, the business is corrupt, the judge is corrupt, and the court is corrupt, and she's appealing judgment all because of a piece of corn? The time and now money being wasted because of a piece of corn, and clout chasing imo, is absurd. Was the corn even good? Eesh.
@AliciaKingstonWatch "...corn even good?" Probably not. I can't think of any fast food/takeout I've ever had with corn was edible. 😂
She didn't go to court over a piece of corn, she was doxxed.
@jennifer b, the whole situation started because she was upset about the corn in her order. That's what I was referring to.
This sounds like it was the woman’s fault things went this far. She called and said she didn’t get the number of items she thought she should have. They told her that is not how it works it’s based on weight. Literally the end of the story. Say “oh really, didn’t know that thought it was quantity- sorry about that have a nice day” instead of wanting something you didn’t pay for and then getting mad when they’re frustrated with you not understanding what they’ve already told you… really weird behavior!
If he can get just one employee to say they heard/saw the harassment then she will be found guilty.
I’m born and raised in Pittsburgh and I’ve never been to Gordos but had to say It was so cute how you thought you couldn’t pronounce Pittsburgh correctly. Almost to 500K! Keep ip the great work 🎉
Well, this is the second time (in as many days) that I hear about a story in my part of the world.....from a CZcamsr 😂
Thanks Markie.
There are all kinds of issues with her story. First, I was thrown by the word "guilt". I'm guessing this was a civil trial because she wasn't provided an attorney for free. There is no guilt or innocence in a civil trial. A person is either "responsible" or "not responsible" for the allegations. Next, there are rules of court (a few people already mentioned this fact).Evidence needs to be submitted BY all parties and TO all parties (including the judge) in ADVANCE. One may not just walk into court the day of the trial and try to hand over evidence. All parties need to be able to review the evidence beforehand.
Next, she WILL be able to get a transcript of the proceedings once the court reporter finishes completing the paperwork. It's not free, though.
I hesitate to take sides, but her information so far is not credible. No one was against her in court (except the other litigant) so she shouldn't imply that was the case.
Someone who knows nothing about the legal system yet wants to abuse it! As a lawyer and a small claims court mediator I can tell you with confidence, these people think that they can play lawyer and “how hard can it be!” Her alleged justification for the judges ruling is idiotic. You have to pay the court reporter for transcripts too.
This is crazy! Why would you go back to a place that has a problem with the portions and bad customer service!?
even lawyers know not to represent themselves
Someone pointed out why the harassment suit was upheld, and they’re right this was handled poorly by this person, but I hope a lawyer who sees this situation is willing to do pro bono work with her and file a counter suit for doxxing. Just because the ruling isn’t unjust, doesn’t mean a separate lawsuit against the restaurant for doxxing and emotional damages wouldn’t also be just.
She called to complain about not getting enough pieces. She’s petty…. Over 2 less pieces of something. She’s ridiculous!!!
This sounds crazy and I can’t buy it all.
You only have a lawyer represent you free of charge if it's a criminal case.
Reminder: companies are not required to talk with you professionally, they can call you whatever name they desire barring actual defimation. They can speak to you rudely and they can mock you.
Stay mad Karens of the world.
Shes getting what she deserves for call spamming and acting like a fool. Guarantee the reports of harrassement to the employees are genuine. She screams the type to be malicous about petty stuff like this
If she hired a Lawyer, he wouldn’t have allowed her to repeat all of what she stated again. I don’t believe she has actually hired one, hence the GoFundMe. She is trying to get money to hire one. If she had already put a partial payment down to retain an attorney, she would have stated “she has retained an attorney” or “under the advice of counsel, she will update you after the Appeal”.
You know if she gets money she isnt spending it on a lawyer let’s be real
I call BS. You are not found guilty or not guilty in civil cases
She probably meant liable. She's not a lawyer(that's why she lost) so she doesn't know the correct terminology
This isn’t a civil case…. She literally said the police were involved
@@anon-bs7cn if it wasn’t a civil case it would’ve been her or the restaurant vs the State 🙄. Not the restaurant vs her. Police involvement (really meaning they were just called) doesn’t mean it’s a criminal case. How are y’all like this?!?
@@Januaryjenkins how tf do you know the case itself wasn’t titled vs the state? Literally why would she mention that 🙄 no one talks about their case that way when it was set off by a complaint by a specific person
I don't buy her story at all...
She said she called them repeatedly.
She didn't do any research on what to do in court. It's her own fault
Also, as someone who has worked in the industry a long time, there are a TON of portions that are done by weight/size and not by number. You're getting the same amount of food whether or not you have six pieces of chicken, for example, or five. In her case, four elotes instead of six.
If he asked her what she wanted him to do about it, then my assumption, as someone who has had this happen to them would be that he explained that it was done by size not number, and she refused to believe him and kept telling him that she ALWAYS got three pieces per order not two, and she ordered the same thing ALL the time and this is absolutely RIDICULOUS. At which point, at a busy restaurant you don't really have time to talk in circles with someone, so you say that you've already explained the situation, so what does the customer expect you to do. They aren't getting free food or a credit because they weren't scammed.
And sometimes restaurants change their portion sizes. That can happen. The ingredients get more expensive so they adjust the size of the order instead of charging more.
The best thing to do when you have a bad experience with a business is never use them again, life is short, move on. Give your money to the good restaurants and the bad ones will fold.
The fact that the owner put her number out there should make him guilty of harassment.
She is definitely not a lawyer and did not follow proper court procedures.
I am personally holding any opinions since we are only hearing one side. Especially after the video of the girl claiming she was "thrown downstairs" just to have the business release the security footage. I'll be interested to see the actual court documents, though.
Depending on the type of case, a lawyer is not given to a person.