TikTok Fisherman Are Exposing Each Other & It's Wild
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- In today's video we will be talking about Jacob Knowles, Keith potter and more
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Rull #1: When money is involved, get everything in writing.
10000%
But i think better than making it a Rull, I think it being a rule and contract would be better. lol
😂rull rules
Yup was gonna say the same thing. Social media really does bring the worst out of people
A contract is a contract, even if it’s with a crayon and toilet paper.
lobsters having beef would be surfnturftok
I laughed way too hard at this, made me snort 😅🤣
Genius
I can't believe I laughed at this 😂 props
That's the best joke I've heard all day.😂
😂😂😂
Honestly, I don't think having the idea of creating a social media account is something that deserves that much credit. Like I'm an artist, and a friend told me I should make a TikTok post on, too. I was like, "Yeah, I probably should. It couldn't hurt," and I've never thought of giving them credit for my account because, at the end of the day, it's my account. I think the reasonable thing would be to credit any SPECIFIC videos the guy came up with the idea for, but that's it.
If this was the case I would have to be credited for half of my friends making content ahahaha I think the biggest problem here is not even credit, it's money, they are getting money from tik tok and this is not reflecting in the money he is getting as an employee.
@@samanthaabreu782 As someone who makes money from TikTok, I can see which videos the money is coming from. If the employee made a video he could split the profit but I think for most of the content it’s irrelevant. The participation in the TikToks and being a regular employee should be two separate things. The owner wanted to set up a contract for it but the employee refused. Maybe they weren’t happy with the deal in the contract but it would be better to negotiate it than to refuse a contract and then demand an ambiguous amount of money and credit later on while still wanting it to not be in writing. It just sounds like a kinda snakey way to go about it.
Thats just a completely situation unfortunately. It seems like this gentleman came up with the idea and is actively co creating with the owner of the account. He fully deserves credit for that.
you aren't wrong, but if your friend was also filming those tiktoks and in those tiktoks, yeah he would have a point in wanting some credit for the creation and growth of the channel.
@@lilac841 that wasn't what happened. What seems to have happened is Keith was a crewman on the boat. Captain makes yt videos that are not that successful. Keith goes, maybe tiktok. So the crew including Keith and the captain start making tiktoks. Things take off and suddenly money starts coming in when it had not for the first couple of months they were doing it. The captain gave out some money from the tiktok money but Keith thinks his contributions are worth more, but is ok with it at first because Captain is at least giving him credit for helping start the channel and growing it. Captain forgets maybe a couple of times in interviews or decides to just shorten the story so Keith takes issue and hits him up for credit which the Captain agrees somewhat. Keith decides to stop giving ideas for videos and just do the normal job he is paid to do. Captain then with the channel now making money approaches Keith with a contract that would extend his normal boat duties to include toktok duties for an extra sum. Keith doesn't think the sum is enough and now there are tensions between captain and Keith on a tiny boat they spend 24/7 on for weeks at a time so Keith leaves.
I think there are few aspects here that are important… Jacob is 100% the face of the TikTok account. His personality, his humor, and charisma is a HUGGGGGE reason the channel is so successful… but also, like other comments mention… how long should you be given credit for something? I do the advertising for my husbands business. There’s been a a couple of my ideas that have gone crazy successful for him… but at no point have I thought, I need credit for this! Given, I totally understand the relationship is different.. but companies have advertising teams.. credit isn’t given every single time for every single thing.. for the rest of eternity. That’s just not realistic.
This was my thought. I used to manage a store and I never expected constant credit for every successful idea or store display.
Exactly my thoughts too. It seems like he literally wanted Jacob to be crediting him in every single video and platform every single time for the rest of their lives. That's kinda delusional in my opinion. Like how desperate for attention are you???
Yeah but advertising teams are paid an annual salary for doing just the advertisements...
@@ameliav6771 yes, but he wasn’t a full time advertising guy like you’re talking about. How long are they paid for an initial idea? He had a job title that he was paid salary for and also, the TikTok idea. We know he was at least given a $10k bonus for it. He gave the idea and Jacob really ran with it. However, it’s safe to say that Jacob would’ve eventually gone to TikTok either way.. as he has consistently done social media for years and switched to new platforms.
If youre doing a job outside of the responsibilities within your job description, like Keith was, you deserve an additonal salary for that new role. Keith was giving ideas and contributing to the videos & insta lives. He deserved an proper wage increase
He had a job. He left. It happens everyday. This is a grown ass man ffs. If he really thinks he is that indispensable he should buy his own lobster business and do his own tik toks. He looks like a giant baby,
The riiiiisk involved in lobstering is understated in this video.
Agreed.
There is only so far that credit can go. You suggested stuff. Great. That doesn't entitle you to 50% of anything 😂
Maybe a shout out in the early days but once the grind is the business owner, you're just a side show 🤷♀️ get over it 😅
@@KayDexactly why didn’t dude do it himself then. Jacob pays for everything and does everything himself. He is paid well and shouldn’t be complaining. I’m biased tho I really like Jacob.
@KayD except his boss was trying to force him to give ideas and he didn't want to so he's explaining why he left. I'm sure people were asking why he left
This beef is like watching two lobster fight in the tank at a fancy restaurant
It's like the lobster in the tank arguing with the restaurant owner for being the reason someone ordered lobster in the first place....sure, there's an argument there but is it worth raising? Not if your a lobster.
@@compositestechbb9087 the implication here is kinda f'd up
@@Aliasass maybe, but it is what it is
@@Aliasass why
Yeah, no.
"Im the reason for the tiktok account"
And my mom is the reason Im alive, but I dont publicly thank her for every one of my achievements.
So true!
yeah not the same lol
Hahahaha!
Call your mother, she misses you lol
Not the same, this man was directly putting in the work into the tiktok essentially like a social media manager. He deserved a salary for that work
Never thought I’d see drama with this side of yt, they were so wholesome
I've just clicked on this with so much trepidation in my heart. I loved this dude and I'm gutted in advance :(
@@alexmcvey1609same, thought I was seeing wrong haha 😭
Well I came from the whole Watcher drama and this was nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be. I rescind my comment 😂
@alexmcvey1609 yeah people whinging on tiktok is wild, dude tossed a great job
@@alexmcvey1609 😂
They’re fishing for engagement
Haha! See what you did there
I sea what you did there
He took the bait!
Smart 😂
Damn, ya caught me!
Damn I hope they can settle this amicably, and I hope when Keith left he left with a snack
😂😂😂
Unfortunately, Kieth may have used TikTok to give himself a notch.
😂
@@elaexplorer Okay that was a good one I won’t lie
Goddamn it, this made me laugh. 🤣
$10000 for six months breaks down to $20.83/hour for a part time (20 hours per week) job. I usually tend to side with the worker, but the problem with this scenario is the worker seems to think he's a partner. He deserves credit for two things: the Tik Tok account's origin story and videos that were his idea. He doesn't deserve credit for every video/all of the success. Bro's head got too big. He's going to come to regret all of this, I think.
But that was the bonus! He earns about 60 grand in six months and then got 10 grand on top of that! What is that an hour?!
@@davidhallberg that bonus was his compensation for the social media gig; the $60k was for his full time work.
Agreed, Keith is thinking he's a partner for throwing out a couple of ideas but he's not the one who draws people back to their channel for every video. You can see on their shorts alone that videos with Jacob's face as the snap shot for it has higher views than most of the others that doesn't show him. I would be surprised if Jacob was the one in the wrong but I don't actually know these people. Just been a Follower since their earlier vids.
I feel like there's a difference between a guy that gives ideas every once in a while And the guy who owns the company, the boat, the social media and is the face of the social media.
So he quit his job because he wasn’t getting credit and as famous on TikTok? Jesus priorities these days are so dumb.
he got 10k out of likely over 100k profit, idk its kinda sleezy if he's expecting him to give ideas and take part but paying so little
no he quit because he wasn't being paid what his work was worth
@@Llkoliiso he got 1/10th of the profit for 1/10th of the input because ideas are not the same as actually creating all of the social media content, keeping up with the social media’s, running the social media’s and the rest of the ideas and the physical things needed to create the content like the boat
I don’t think people understand that being a content creator is a business. It’s a business that requires hard work and that hard work is rewarded with money. The people who contribute to the growth of that business deserve to be compensated accordingly. I don’t fault this dude one bit for leaving.
I understand why he left, it’s incredibly hard to work with a crew you butt heads with, especially when you’re stuck on a tiny ship for 12+hr days, and especially if the one you don’t get along with it your captain.
Trust me, I’ve been working with my father as my captain for just over four years now lol
I definitely follow this fisherman guy but the fact that I haven’t heard about this drama just proves to me that there is so much drama amongst Internet personalities that I can’t even keep up😂
i think it depends; if you only follow them on youtube then you likely have not heard about this but if your on both platforms then youve likely heard about this already. theres something over there that makes videos about drama blow up and spread in a way it doesnt on youtube shorts
And that's what Markies for! 😂😂😂
@@kaijuteethI’ve followed Jacob since the beginning. If this guy was really the guy who said to start it etc. why didn’t he do it? Jacob does everything, so why should dude get credit
@@maryjane4432 ? im only telling this person why they havent heard abt this, i mean i agree w u to an extent but idk if u meant to reply to me
I’m so unserious lmaooo my instinct was to say, “the lobsters haven’t been getting there snacks!?”
That would have been a more legit drama than this... What has this world come to when lobsters stop getting their snacks?!
At this point, there are probably some lobsters who allow themselves to be caught multiple times just for the Claw Spa and the snacks!
I saw the thumbnail and I was like “Not the snack giver!”
Keith sounds exhausting. He even states in his OWN video that Jacob wanted to do a contract and Keith was against it. Which I find very interesting since he could negotiate pay and have it in writing. Also there are other people working on that boat what about them getting paid? The boat? the pots? they aren't managing themselves. I also think Jacob would have eventually found his way to tik tok if he was already doing youtube. Just my 2 cents anyway.
The contract was to force Keith to be more involved with the social media, it wasn't about fair compensation.
nah Keith was being reasonable
@Shazjgus What? The entire point of a contract is for terms, like pay, to be negotiated. He would've had a chance to negotiate payment terms... but he didn't. He quit and ran to TT to complain. I'm sorry this guy seems like a big baby. Did he really expect 50/50 payment and CONSTANT "credit" for some ideas and holding the camera? Gtfoh. Nah.
@@michellerhodes5477 he is being a baby but he is justified in turning down the contract. Maybe they did negotiate and it fell through, maybe he felt the opening offer was insulting and it created bad faith. Getting credit for "holding the camera" my god man yes that is perfectly justified. That is what a cameraman does and they deserve credit. Not to mention he was also in the tiktoks on camera.
@@switchgear100 Sure that's his right and I should have taken that into consideration. But also he got $10K for half a year JUST FOR the social media work on top of his normal salary. And the social media was about their job. What more did he expect? He's not the face of the company nor why people watch. Idk maybe I'm just having a hard time putting my thoughts into words but this dude sounds ridiculous and that's totally my opinion.
Phew thank god I love this guy and his lobsters, very relieved that he seems to be the reasonable one here! It doesn’t make sense for Keith to get 50% of the revenue as salary, when Jacob is probably spending a significant chunk of the revenue on business expenses, not simply taking it as his own. With the overheads of a business like that the TikTok payouts are revenue, not profit.
Jacob may have even planned to give everyone on the boat a Christmas bonus out of some of the social media revenue. He really seems like the type of guy who would take care of his employees. Know what I mean?
Less than 5% Jacob gave was horrible though. $10,000 for year when he pulled in $20,000 a month is beyond greedy.
@birichinaxox9937 How is that greedy? Do you understand that thinking you're entitled to more money simply because more money exists is actually greedy, right? It is that guys business, he built it from the ground up and if you think that someone deserves a significant portion of a businesses income just because they said "I have an idea, you should make a tiktok", then you are incredibly greedy and dont understand how any of this works. If I told you that I noticed the odds for the lottery are higher right now and you should buy a ticket, so you say yeah good idea and go buy a winning ticket, you think you deserve half of that winning money? He simply came up with ONE IDEA, he is not owed MORE MONEY for saying the idea JUST because the man he said it to put in a huge amount of effort with the idea and built success with it. That's so gross to think you should be able to piggy back off thehardwork and success of other people. 10k in a year is fair. He was paid for the work he put in
@@birichinaxox9937 I just feel like it’s plausible that 90% of the revenue went to the business. I would imagine operating costs would be over a million a year (multiple employees making 6 figures plus boat related expenses) but I could be wrong. Also, didn’t he only blow up in the later half of 2023? Which would make 10k a larger percent.
If you get paid for a job and later decide you feel underpaid, the best option is to complain on tiktok
He wasn't hired to be the social media director.
I hope you're being sarcastic? 😁
That's incredibly distopian
@@thedragodile545then he shouldn’t have done it. unfortunately he did what a lot of people did and thought his employer/co-worker would do what not even what some people’s families would do
@@dreamkitty no, then he should have been fairly compensated for it when it became a part of his regular duties. He's working two jobs, he should be paid for two jobs.
Wow I used to be obsessed with the channel. Especially when they found the rarer lobsters like the intersex blue and red one, the ones with science tags or finding non-lobsters in their traps. Everyone's personality on the channel was also fun and the way they cared for all the animals from the small birds who got stranded in water to barnacle ridden marine life.
Just some dudes getting all hyped over their job was fun to watch- sucks that there was all this going on in the background, hopefully the channel and crew won't be too tainted by it
I think it's pretty much just a disgruntled employee who seems to think they're more important. I've been watching for years and haven't watched any of the lives so I can't comment on that. But I've never seen this Keith guy, but Jacob is the face the heart and soul.. I don't think the camera guy should be underpaid, but 50%? Thats insane.
Yeah I just realised YT hasn’t been showing them in my shorts! Asshats!
I know of them because of that lobster too🦞🦞🦞
I remember that they kept she he as a pet. Half blue half red exact down the middle. That was recent. I remember the bird too I think that’s what blew that up.
I remember that they kept she he as a pet. Half blue half red exact down the middle. That was recent. I remember the bird too I think that’s what blew that up.
what nobody else is saying here is Jacob does NOT only post video's about the lobster fishing. He also shows up his cabin rental building and repairing it after the storms.
Sorry, but I don't see jacob as the totally bad guy here. He gave credit in the beginning, that is all he was required to do. It's not like you need him to say " today i credit x for this video" .
dude is his employee, it's about work. this falls under it being a company account and jacob is the company owner
kid needs to get over it . its like a mom demanding money for anything the kid does in life because she gave birth to him.
That’s a perfect comparison. But honestly even being the mom in this scenario would be so much more than just saying “yo maybe you should post your videos on TikTok”
@lilac841 maybe like the dad because he provided the "seed" of the idea and chipped in raising it along the way while Jacob birthed it lol
People watch Knowles because he's enigmatic and knowledgable. Fishing is extremely expensive; commercial boats cost thousands and thousands of upkeep. The money isn't just going into Knowles' pockets; they go into things for the boat and Keith got his part. He keeps saying "there's no expenses!" but there are; there are a lot of expenses because it is a business, it's not just shooting things on the phone, there's a sunk cost in the time for the editing (and to slow down production to get shots--which they now have a person who films that specifically). Keith knows he's not in the right there at the end of the day, because he's being short-sighted to the reality of running a business and what the income actually is. Especially with how lean things have been in the fishing industry in recent years.
Yeah Jacob just posted a video of all the supplies needed to keep the cages in good shape.
I don't know a lot about commercial fishing but the one thing I do know is its expensive to keep up with maintenance and it's not very profitable in todays economy.
Lobster fishing in Maine also faces major battles with regulators and the government. The equipment might get even more expensive and/or the competition might get even tougher if they restrict the areas they're allowed to fish.
But you would be paying those expenses anyway that has nothing to do with the social media side
@@JeremyScott459 It does though. The social media side is PART of the business. The profits and costs from it are just as much of a part of the business as everything else.
Jacob explaining the job position.. healthy salary and potential bonuses from social media earnings... A lot of people will be applying for that job. Keith got greedy and he is not going to ever going to get paid another $10k bonus as a sternman from another employer.
i cant stand with keith when hes seriously saying he deserves credit and a raise for basically saying “hey! how about we make a tiktok account?”
And they already also had a CZcams channel and would have probably started posting on TikTok in the end regardless. It’s not like he invented a brand. It’s like such an unremarkable idea that if I were him I wouldn’t have even remembered being the one to suggest it.
Lol I just made an identical comment 😂 that dude is jealous
That is not all he did though. He didn't just say "hey we should do this" he was also continuously giving ideas for videos, filming videos and being in videos.
@@Jerry-Jardorc69 how? he not only gave him the initial idea, he continued to give ideas for new videos, he helped film videos and he was in videos. Up until he left he was an active part of the content being made.
Exactly! And he owns nothing that went toward creating the content! It’s pretty low to go make a TikTok about it lol he’s just trying to get his own “fame”
The fact that this channel has become a “obscure TikTok beef” channel is everything
Watched jacob for a few years on CZcams now.
Ive learned alot about lobsters,law clippings eggs, barnacles and all sorts because of him 😂😂😂 and most importantly a little snacky snack 😂
I cannot tell you how fast I clicked when I saw your title. The more niche the TikTok drama you are covering, the happier it makes me. Tattoo industry is okay. Restaurants and restaurant reviewers are okay. But fishermen on TikTok having drama??? This is the good stuff
this just reeks of greed lol. imagine thinking u deserve equal credit and pay just for saying someone should make a social account. wild
Yeah he sounds just very jealous of the success and is trying to cover up that jealousy with an egotism saying he is responsible for it. If he really thinks he is the genius behind the account surely he could make his own
Asking your boss for a raise on tiktok lol
Very surprised to see drama involving Jacob. I’ve binged his shorts on YT for awhile now and he just seems like a genuine, good guy
Seen jacob talking about lobsters quite often, didnt even know keith existed. Jacob is the face, the personality, the business owner. How much credit did this Keith guy really expect? Maybe he should have been paid more, but that should have been brought up while he was on the payroll, not after he quit. And it definitely didn't need to be brought up online, they're grown men ffs
Give Keith a snack then release him, again.
I dont think the first hand realizes that boats and gear are millions of dollars even on the low end... saying theres no overhead cost is an actual joke. In my opinion take the money he gave you and bw happy... the owner paid for the boat, gear, license, traps ect... much more then your iphone. As the owner said go do this yourself if you think you can 😂
Did you miss ol'boy saying dude was a 5th generation lobster fisherman lol, you truly think he did get given by the laast 4 gens the things your saying costed millions???? Do you understand what 5th gen means?
@@daminttengood point
@@damintten And obviously he never needs to upgrade and repair his equipment, right? Right??????
I sure do, and I live in a lobster fishing community... 5th generation means you probably got your permit passed down so sorry maybe a million less.... but I highly dount their using their great,great,great,great, great grandfather's boat, gear, and traps🥴 which is literally the most expensive thing. Fishermen usually have to buy half their traps new each year because the water destroys them. So I'm terribly sorry if I over estimated but a little. I still don't think the employee deserves 20g for saying hey let's do this on tiktok.
@@katemckay4844 Nobody said 20g but you, honestly
Keith: i want credit and pay for tiktok stuff
Jacob: ok so lets make a contract that says tiktok is a part of your required job description
Keith: it was at that moment i knew i had to leave
I follow Jacob because I live in Maine and love his content (it helped me learn a lot about lobster law) so this is just really wild.
You truly can't escape the algorithm when you live in Maine 😅
@@subliminal-damage You can't, they know we're bored 😂
My Dad was a commercial lobsterman off New London, CT, but lobstered (& fished) off MA, CT, RI, & NY. He was notorious, as he lobstered in the Thames River for almost 50 years before he passed in November.
A lobstering business is incredibly expensive to run, whether or not there’s $ coming in… lobster trawls & traps, bait, rope, buoys, paint, crewman’s salary, the boat maintenance, gasoline, insurance, & repairs, storing the boat in a “slip” at a protected dock…. and the insane annual cost of maintaining the license for a full time lobsterman. That’s why my Sister & I worked for him for years as kids & teens; we made better $ than any other babysitting job or minimum wage job, & the $ stayed in our family.
The work was HARD! We typically started at 2-3am & we worked hard in every way possible. We got paid per lb of catch (lobsters). Some days were amazing; others, not so much, but the pay was always more than fair & above the table; my Dad kept intricate records & paid his taxes (not that he liked it, or what some of the $ was going to), but how always paid his due.
Anyway, my Dad passed in November, in his 70’s, still going out more days than not (although, he had downsized the size of his boat & his business & workload). But after his passing, his fishing/lobstering license is worth far more than anything my he’d owned.
Professional Lobstermen don’t play; they put tons of $ into their business. Social media or not, you should consider yourself incredibly lucky to work for someone who worked hard enough & was smart enough to get to that position, because VERY few professional sea-men do. Praying one of the many interns who learned from my Dad over the last 40+ years will earn the moniker “lobsterman of the Thames”. He mentored 16:06 hundreds, almost every single person on the Thames today, one would be fucking lucky to fill him water boots & rain gear.
I love you Dad, I hope you’re resting easy in the arms of angels.
Very sorry about your father. It sounds like it was a life very well lived. We should all hope for so much. Clear skies and fair winds to you. 💜
For how long can you take credit for coming up with the idea of "Hey let's do this!" ? This gives "My child was very successful because of ME. I'M THE REASON THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL. ALL ME, ME, ME, ME!!!" But yet, the "child" in question was the one who put in all the efforts into studying and pushing through, doing the hard work etc... A proud parent doesn't try to claim their kids' success. They let that other person get the recognition, they deserve from the work they've done. I'm not saying this situation is IT. But, that's just the vibe I'm getting.
Yeah like i feel like he should have started making his own account
You are 100% right. Knowing that a social media platform exists and suggesting someone gets on it doesn't mean you are the creator or owner of it. It's all so silly. Like if he thinks he is the reason the account is successful, then surely he could just make his own.
Same
Idk if he's making 20k first month, half a year could be 120k, and he only gave this guy 10k?? His right hand man? Thats a little sleezy and his response seemed really deflecting imo
10k was an additional on top of the original wages he was making @Llkolii
thank you for not editing terrifying smiles onto ppl in your thumbnails
That is so specific, why do you sound traumatized from other channels, r u ok? 😭
the only channel i can think of is j aubrey r u okay 😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂
bro i feel you the photoshopped sickly edits of people for thumbnails are nightmarish 💀
j aubery moment
8:49 "He was going to write a contract saying I needed to do some kind of work for the money so I quit " 😂😂😂😂
He was already doing the work, he was literally the one running the Lives for instagram. Those were never part of his role when he signed on, it got added on after which is not fair if he didnt get properly paid for that
I get that he wanted credit for starting it. That's deserved and understood. However, the videos being successful is more than just a good Idea. The videos are good because the lobster guy is charismatic, funny, entertaining, etc. If Jacob lacked any of that he would have just been a one for wonder.
ETA: Before you give someone a great idea, keep it professional and present it as a business deal. Period.
Not giving credit is very shellfish of him.... 😂
I sea what you did there. 😅
And that’s why they should have drawn up a contract as soon as the money first started coming in. Honestly I’m with the owner here, he tried to write up a contract and Keith absolutely could have negotiated his pay from the tik toks in that, especially considering that it would be then put in writing that he had extra duties aside from boat stuff or whatever which generally constitutes a pay adjustment. But instead he quit.
Quit a job that was already providing him a damn good salary at that! That's so stupid!
You cannot negotiate if the boss is already completing undervaluing you. Which Jacob completely was. $10,000 for the year when they were pulling $20,000 a month isn't even a 5% cut. Completely disgusting
@@birichinaxox9937LOL whats disgusting is you thinking that you are OWED a cut of SOMEONE ELSES hard earned money. JACOB created the success, the money is his. Keith was paid 10k for the WORK THAT HE PUT IN. He does not just get MORE MONEY when he hasn't put in MORE WORK just because the account is successful! Why do you think you're entitled to a businesses money? You're entitled to pay for the job that you DO. It's so weird that you don't understand this lol if you worked at Walmart for 30 hours a week, guess what... you get paid for the 30 hours that you're working. Get it? You do NOT just work 30 hours a week and then demand 20% of Walmarts monthly profits just because the company had a successful month 😂 he was paid for the work he did, he is just bitter and jealous of the company's success so he's acting like an entitled brat and thinks he should be given more money for doing the same amount of work. Income is set, you don't get a percentage of your bosses profit lol
@@birichinaxox9937girl shut up already. You’re riding Keiths nuts so hard in these comments, I’m wondering if you’re actually him at this point. lol
@@birichinaxox9937 It was not 10k for the year, it was for the season, they're only out on the boat for a certain amount of time in the year and there's weeks if not months not on the boat in there. Is Jacob supposed to be paying Keith for shit he's not doing? Not to mention all the videos Jacob does for his other business, is he supposed to pay Keith for those too?
Went from “Dude, you should post on Tik Tok instead of just YT, it’s really blowing up.” - “ok, cool if you want to help with it we can do it.” to wanting half of all socials revenue. Receives $10k bonus for help with social media. Whines and complains about his pay on social media. 🤦🏻♀️
Y’all I’ve done HR for a long long time in Maine, the literal same state, and if I was hiring for a social media position or to find someone internally to help with that project because they had made comments or shown interest in bringing the business to more social media, and they came to the table and said “sure, but you have to give me half of all social media revenue” -- I don’t know if I could hold back a smile or laugh because I would have to assume it was a joke they were making. 😂😂. That is one of the craziest things I’ve heard in 20+ years. And I have some stories…. 😅😂
I feel like it’s because he helped develop the channel, became a voice, a talent on the channel? if it’s not part of the original role it should be open to negotiation and not half by any means but a percentage could be claimed? If it was something that existed already and they were bringing them in - heck no lol guess they’ll see how the channel does without Keith.
Might all be for naught if TT does get the ban hammer from the senate
He is Jakob’s employee. Jakob did more than most companies I know would’ve done. I’ve had this exact situation arise and because the employee’s original role was expanding we gave them a pay raise (equal to about 5-10% of their current pay with negotiations at 1 year) another time the employee received an hourly increase. The first employee was salaried and the second employee was hourly. That is a common employee/employer contract.
Would you feel differently if it wasn’t a small business? What if I was hiring for Capital One or Disney or Netflix? Do you still believe it would be reasonable for the employee who expressed interest in expanding our Social Media presence at their current employer while still maintaining the job they were hired for, to ask for half of all the social media proceeds? Or if I’m hiring a Social Media Manager, for one of those companies, who’s sole job will be to work on expanding and creating new avenues within socials to ask for “half of all SM earnings” instead of a salary?
It’s just not realistic. If every time an employee made a suggestion on a way to increase revenue had to then be paid half of said revenue because he wrote the idea on a whiteboard, and took lead on the project, companies would bankrupt. It’s no different than a good old fashioned brainstorming session.
Exactly. I managed my cousins dirt bike/racing instagram part time for 2 years and $10k would have be an INSANE number. He didn't make much revenue but it did give him 2 of his sponsors including his current racing team. He got paid and the majority of the money went into upgrading his equipment. I got a new camera and he had his friend fix my van up for free as a bonus. Saved me about $650 and was worth it. I think a lot of people assume that because social media is suuuuch a part of everyones life that its going to make them a millionaire.
you’re forgetting he was also starring in them and coming up with individual TikTok ideas.
It’s murky because it was outside of the scope of his role and it became entertainment and made money off of Keith’s face/personality etc and entertainers can get % as talent.
Even music composers can negotiate % of profits vs signing over rights in perpetuity.
He was not hired for social media so that became an additional role that he should’ve been compensated for as soon as the channel became monetized or received sponsors. That’s when negotiations should have happened
just my opinion and I am certainly not a lawyer.
@@bdazzld He was compensated, you are acting like Keith got nothing and was ousted from the position by a greedy boss that didn't want to pay him. Also the Tiktok was entirely side business, they're lobster fishermen and Keith was being paid for his role as an employee on the boat and his work on the Tiktok/videos. He wasn't making bank but he wasn't the star personality by a long shot, he was just another dude on the boat like everyone else outside of Jacob.
He also didn't even make it to negotiations, Jacob said: "Alright I'll put together a contract for your job and your job on the Tiktok side of things." and Keith said "Nope, I'm out."
Don't know what else Jacob was supposed to do here.
“so here is a side of TikTok that I wasn’t aware of” - Markie
Ikr. No offense meant to Markie, but is there any side of TikTok that he is aware of? Not that I have any room to talk I wouldn't even know about any of this TikTok drama if it wasn't for Markie and channels like his. I typically avoid TikTok like the plague.
Mans an employee, getting payed a wage for doing his job, he isn't necessary entitled for ideas he gave to his employers, much less money, its a business page, owned by the business, he's not his partner, the money made goes to the business, and then he gets payed what was agreed on on his contract lol, you ain't entitled to shit cause you came up with an idea for your boss and he profited off it
Did you know it's actually spelled "paid"?
His job wasn't to suggest a marketing strategy that was wildly successful, suggesting video content ideas and filming them. His job was to FISH.
It's also pretty typical in jobs that ideas you have for/while at the company, belong to the company in the end lol, dude deserved maybe a text credit in the video descriptions he's in/helped create lol
Doesn't mean it is ethical. And especially as they were friends treating keith as disposable and so disrespectfully is disgusting.
@@birichinaxox9937Your comments keep getting worse good lord. It is entirely ethical. He paid Keith for the job that he did. The business owner gets the profits when the business is SUCCESSFUL because the owner takes ALL THE RISK. You're so gross saying that it's "ethical" for him to be paid MORE MONEY just because the business is succeeding. Do you understand how businesses even work? What if Jacob's tiktok does poorly that month? What if they don't get any profit off their fishing that year? Based on your logic, Keith should get less money then right? Kieth should be okay with getting paid nothing because the business didn't profit? Even if he did all the work he was supposed to do? That's a BUSINESS. The owner, Jacob, is taking ALL THE RISK... if he has a bad month then he still has to pay kieth for the work he did! Even if the business doesn't profit. And guess what that means that when it does profit, he keeps it and still pays Keith for the job he did. Jacob gets to benefit from the fluctuating profits because he is the owner, taking all risk, putting his money and livlihood on the line hoping he succeeds. Keith doesn't get to leach off of Jacob's success when Keith never put the money and risk into the business. This is how jobs work, have you ever had a job before? Do you think every Starbucks employee is paid a higher salary based on how much Starbucks profits that year? No. They are hired for a job, they do the job, they get paid for the job. They don't own Starbucks and they aren't business partners with Starbucks. I honestly think youve just never had a job before. And it's so gross that you think being friends means Keith is entitled to the money Jacob earns from a business that Jacob owns. That's not how friendship works either. If you really think that any time your friends are successful you are entitled to leach off of their success and they should give you free money then you are a terrible friend.
maybe it's different since they did also do social media, but i still think it's weird to make a tikotk video talking about how you didnt feel like you got paid enough and had to leave. this happens to many people, it's unfortunately quite common for employees who have been around for longer to get taken advantage of and given more and more responsibility for not a fair amount of pay, in which case you talk things through with the boss, and if you dont come to an agreement, you leave. why anyone feels the need to put that information out on the internet is weird, and frankly could damage your future career prospects as people may not want to hire you if they see you do these things.
Very true! Keith has shown himself to be someone who will cause very public drama. And most employers will go through your posts on social media when deciding whether or not to hire you. People need to learn to vent crap like this in other ways like talk to a therapist or something.
As a Nova Scotian lobster fishing is second nature to me.
So I feel my opinion holds a little weight when I say, I don't fucking care.
Shit where do you fish from? I’m from NS too, over in LFA34
Took me way too long to realize you weren’t saying you are a lobster of the Nova Scotia variety…
Honestly, this just hurts my heart. I love watching those guys. Unfortunately, money ruins a lot of things.❤
I loved watching them, too. It was super educational and interesting
It ruins everything IF you care more about money than people.
@@vickinatorexactly this Jacob could have taken care of keith instead treated him as disposable
Counting other people's money is what causes the problems
@@birichinaxox9937but he was literally an employee, for his fishing business, he chose to help with the TikTok on top where there’s not a legal contract about payment. The cost to keep the fishing business running is crazy, Keith isn’t some billionaire.
Why is he so desperate for credit? It seems like he wants Jacob to be constantly giving him credit at every single second, like if Jacob should be saying constantly: "And remember, this was all Keith's idea!"
Damn, chill out Keith, you can survive without the attention, I promise you.
Also, the dude was already always giving him credit for that anyways, what else does he wants? Lmao😭
Okay I'm glad I'm not the only one who was like "How long do you expect him to credit you for moving to Tiktok?" Christ.
Fr I feel like even once is enough. But honestly if I was in the same spot I wouldn’t even expect it once.
Fr, Jacob didn't mentioned his name for ONCE in a single interview and the dude lost his mind, he can't deal with not having all of the attention on him, it seems
Forever that is the fact. Leaving out origin stories and taking all the credit is disgusting. A simple line to the new yorker " i was on CZcams but transitioned to tic toc thanks to my buddy keith" would have fixed all of this. But nope selfish is selfish
@@birichinaxox9937its not selfish at all 😭😭😭 they didnt even mention "what got you on tiktok" specifically, keith is the one here throwing a fit because he forgot or just didnt mention him during one interview but left out he was credited multiple times and jacob acknowledged him. this is a horrible take and especially when keith is out here saying he should get 50% of the revenue when its not part of his job and that revenue is used for the boat and such but also it wasnt... a contract or agreement or anything, if keith wanted compensation they couldve talked about it and gone separate ways earlier. can you be so fr
I mean only 10k when youre making a quarter million dollars a year from his idea is kinda crazy…
I'm NOT a lawyer, but it's my understanding that employers typically own intellectual property developed by their employees, but there is room for negotiation. Jacob was more than generous to offer to work up a contract.
"Working up a contract" is standard business practice. Wdym "more than generous"? Ppl want to be compensated and a contract can easily be a trap to not be paid your fair worth. This comment is a bit dense.
No, employers only own the IP of their employees if it is in their contract, which I doubt the contract for a sternman on a lobster boat has. You see it a lot in tech companies but the terms usually come with this like "if they use company time or property to develop it"
I think that one guys just asking for a finder's fee for helping get the whole tiktok thing set up but also hes got to remember a finder's fee is only 10%
That's still more than $600. That would be $2000 based on the first cheque.
@@turnoffthetv I'm aware. But also it seems like making social media content was part of the job when he was hired. Being that the owner was already making social media content. So it was a part of the job description. I was just saying that to make amends and a finder's fee is generally only one time so he would only get $2,000 once. I'm pretty sure he was still quit and still be complaining even if that finder's fee was met. Just my opinion and observation
@@turnoffthetv But he was actually given 10k, which is a lot more than 2k... and $600.
@@turnoffthetvhe was given 10k
@@christopher.m.dickinson0315I think you fundamentally did not listen to the situation bc youre wrong…
Who knew I'd know someone in one of these. As a viewer of Jacobs, I can tell you most people ARE there for Jacob. For his 'claw spa' and giving lobsters snacks.
jacob knowles randomly popped up on my yt shorts and i know next to nothing about lobsters ,,, but i always stay for the spa days and the snacks they give the lobsters before dropping them back in 😭 the plop with the death grip on the fish is always so silly n cute lol
I'm still trying to get over those guys who tried to stay with that young lady in Palm Springs.
Nova Scotian here - lobster fishing is a million dollar business. It is BIG bucks. But important to note that 100k a year is only for lobster season. You can only work during the lobster fishing season. So you make all your $ in like 3 months (unless you own the ship/business).
I don't get why he wouldn't want a contract drawn up? Bruh that's where you can negotiate a legally binding salary. Why didn't he have a legal document drawn up for the live stream as well??
I LOVE the “egger” guy!!!!!
Is this where we're headed? Two people can't work out their differences and disagreements like normal people anymore so they go on tiktok to post the 'dirt' they're unhappy about about the other person for? Has the sense of privacy been eroded that much?
*This should not be a public matter. Deal with your personal beef in private. The world does not need a front row seat to your business and you should not be so hungry for social media attention that you flaunt your shit so casually.*
This sort of behavior is actually starting to get concerning, it's unreal.
The craziest part of this is like... I have ideas for my job all the time, imagine a world where employees get to ask for any of the profit from that idea instead of just hoping someone noticed and gives you a promotion in 25-30 years 😭 wait I changed my own mind writing this comment, my man is out here with solutions for the shrinking middle class let him speak
Legally speaking, you're spot on.
Any ideas you come up with at work belong to the company you work for. It's usually in the contract. You might get a bonus for being a good employee. But you don't get shares of the company or a large cut of their new profits 🤷♀️
This is so true. I used to work on a system where the users asked for a tool to compare two documents within this system. The system developers came back saying it would cost $200,000 to develop and implement this tool. I played around in the system and realized that the functionality already exists and created training material on how to use the functionality. I asked my boss where is my $200,000 for delivering this tool to the users...he laughed. I even offered to reduce the amount to $2000, he still laughed.
That employee got GREEDY. Now he’s not making ANYTHING close to that because he wanted more and MORE.
Boss was greedy first employee just wanted a fair cut.
@birichinaxox9937 He did get a fair cut when he wasn't a main face of the content let alone he was offered a contract to NEGOTIATE a cut for himself.
Ya know, every time a video comes out, i try to guess what the drama could possibly be and never in a million years would i have guessed lobsters 😂
Normally it's crabs 🤔
I watch Jacobs videos regularly. He is so big mostly because of his personality, his humor, his adorable smile. Do you know how many people "come up with the idea" of starting a tiktok? How many make money? Hardly any.
There are tons of other lobster fisherman that post videos. I get recommended them all the time. I dont watch any of them.
I have never heard of Keith. I have never seen him. Or at least if i did i dont remember it.
6:05 I don't see how Kieth should be getting 50/50 of the tiktok money. Ive only watched them on CZcams so assumming it's the same kieth is barely in any of the videos like 2 seconds every tenth or so video and I think he spoke once. Extras don't get paid the same as the producer/writer/director/star of the show.
This is ridiculous. In this case the business owner is in the right. The other guy is just salty.
I can't stop thinking about lobsters fueding on tiktok. I blame/credit you. Thanks for that, lol!
Remember people taxes exist, so what if the first month made them 20k......what were the taxes and how much in taxes does the business owner pay outside of that, for said business. There is no reason that this guy should get a 50/50 cut. That's actually laughable 😂
The problem is people trust "friends" too much to do the right thing. You need verbal agreements written down. If you don't protect yourself, you will get screwed.
Yer feel this is exactly what happened and what ppl aren't getting. Jacob has taken massive advantage and treated Keith as disposable.
@birichinaxox9937 In ... what way? You seem pretty confident in making those allegations for someone who doesn't actually know either person and has no idea what is really happening behind the scenes. We were not given any information that suggested he took advantage of Keith nor that he treated him as being disposable, so where are you coming up with this idea?
@@MalloriaAnn people need a villain in every internet drama. nuance simply isnt interesting or exciting for terminally online peeps. the kind of brainrot you get on the internet. a lot of people making opinions about things they dont know, and toxic parasocial relationships...
@@birichinaxox9937he was already making the same content before Keith, Keith literally just said “maybe you should post them on TikTok’s too”…. He got lots of credit and 10k. I help my friends with their social media managing and have never once thought of asking for credit or a dime. It’s just a suggestion/advice to post on a major platform he prob wudve ended up posting on later on. Jo cab is the face of the channel, makes the content, does all the work… why would keither get credit and profits for all his content til god knows when?
@@birichinaxox9937Jacob paid for everything and is the face of it. What does Keith actually do?
The thing about this that personally leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that like…. What exactly was the point of Keith’s video??
Most people when they make videos like this it’s usually to warn people about someone behaving poorly - like racism in the work place, or someone being openly rude and mean to workers, etc.
But Jacob doesn’t sound like he was doing any of that. The most you could really point to that says he’s unpleasant to work with is maybe the contract, but that’s it.
Tons of people quit jobs all the time because they don’t think their pay is fair, but they don’t make videos about it - because it’s a common problem for a lot of jobs. And that’s what makes the video look bad to me. Even if I did think he deserved better pay - this still feels like its sole purpose was to stir up drama and tarnish Jacob’s reputation.
I watch Jacob Knowles on YT shorts, not TikTok, so I have no clue who Keith is. I feel bad he's not getting a cut of the TikTok profit but he's not entitled to it since it's not his company or channel. I'm on Jacob's side and don't think it should be 50-50, but Keith should get a salary that's similar to what a regular social media manager would make.
You’re actually wrong because it was his work they made that profit he deserves a sizable amount of it. Not to mention Yesterdays here making this argument so do you think that it is more reasonable for someone to have thousands of dollars that you give people what they are owed? That’s the moral thing to you? So because this person has a privilege to be able to have a boat and this other person was born in a lower class of poverty. It means that he’s not entitled to the fruits of his labor because it was his labor. that money would not be there without him.
And whatever job you have keep this in mind if you work at McDonald’s there’s somebody that owns that restaurant that sits on their ass day in and day out. Because they are the owner they are not there from open till close working. You the working class are. They take the profits that you work for and give you a dollar. Compared to thousands.
So yes this person is definitely entitled to the fruits of his labor and you don’t know what you’re talking about but if you want to stay in poverty and let other people have money that you earned be my guest.
But Keith wasn’t the social media manager, he just came up with ideas for content sometimes. Jacob was the social media manager and did all of the social media content and often made content on his own not even on the boat.
@@parrotstoriesI only know the YT Shorts from Jacob and don't think I've ever seen Keith in a video. I assumed Keith did more than just come up with ideas based on how upset he seemed. But if he wasn't posting/editing/replying to comments then I don't know why Keith thinks he's entitled to a 50-50 split, that's crazy. He should get something if it was truly his idea, but more like a flat fee and not a percentage of what the content brings in.
@@Redfern4That may be true for many businesses, but Maine lobsterboats HAVE to have the actual boat owner on them at all times. So don't worry, he's not some cushy CEO, he's out there breaking his back too whilst paying good money to his workers. 😊
erm actually there are two lobsters fighting on tik tok
This is the most respectful beef I've seen since the 1800s
Imo he should gotten maybe like 20% or $4k from that $20k. If he was helping work the camera, idea, and editing. But the tiktok account, boat, business, and yt is Jacob's. But an idea is not really something to get paid for. Credit is fine but keith is whining as if Jacob is only successful because of him. I understand him being bitter about the pay he got from tiktoks. I feel like he is a little jealous. It's better that they split. Cause I feel like Keith would be resentful if he remained there.
Understandably so. Keith getting less that a 5% cut is so disgusting and shows Jacobs greed
@@birichinaxox9937why r u talkin as if u know either of this men or the ins and outs of this situation 😭😭😭 reread the comment, if anyone is greed its keith
@@birichinaxox9937he’s an employee, employees get a salary not a cut of the business. If he really wants to see what it’s like he should get his own business, but oh he probably doesn’t want to pay 100k for a boat does he
I haven't yet finished the video but.. Isn't this what contracts are for?
Edit: I just looked up the average Sternman salary and it seems like it's around $30,000 USD.. I think for what he is paying someone it's well more than enough as long as the contract he hires them under states that the social media is part of the contract - and the person agrees on it. In terms of commission/bonuses, I would hope there would be an outline for how that's calculated, and of course also depends on the profit of the business itself - he might be doing upgrades, advertising, giving the business the opportunity to offer a higher salary 🤷 I think there definitely could have been communication issues from the beginning, and it probably could have been dealt with off of social media.
Wow, I knew the salary he mentioned was a good salary for almost ANY job, but I didn't realize it was literally 3 to 4 times the average for that position. Keith really shot himself in the foot walking away from that boat. That's just crazy.
I WISH I made six figures at my social media manager job. Are they hiring now??
Anyway, working in digital media for as long as I have I feel uniquely qualified to have an opinion 😅 social media managers don’t get paid based on the revenue from the content, especially not a 50/50 split. Maybe they should have hired another person to handle the content management, and that’s really where I see the biggest misstep. Otherwise, it was more than fair to offer $10k for being an ideas person. That’s more than any social media manager is making as a flat rate for the ideas they have to come up with every single day.
Oh no I love this guy I see his shorts on my recommendations. I thought for sure there could be no drama with this guy lol
In my Opinion: this might be the Most Tame Drama in your Career as far as I can see it, Markie.
Honestly I'm with the boat owner here
I have been burned by this before, but literally everything you do involving a business must be put in writing, very clearly, and signed by both parties. If you make a verbal agreement and one person backs out and it gets taken to court you have zero ground to stand on.
As a New England fisherman myself...stop being a drama queen, shut up and work the traps.
Fellow fisherman here from Canada, I agree lmao Jacob’s videos always felt very fake and performative anyway
Omg. Imagine someone says hey, you should do this. And to be nice, you say yeah ill try it. And it goes great and they want credit for that one idea for the rest of their life. Just gatekeep the ideas from now on. No one wants any more debt collectors. If you have a good idea that you want recognition for, do the idea yourself.
Oh i love this guy. It's his buisness. Not the employee
All I have to say about this situation is that it won't keep me from continuing to enjoy the Claw Spa. I love the fact that Jacob takes the time to remove barnacles from the lobsters that he can't legally harvest for whatever reason (usually it's because of the size or the lobster being a breeding female). If I was a lobster and I had barnacles on my face and claws, I would greatly appreciate someone removing the barnacles, giving me a snack, and returning me to my home. So he's alright in my book. 👍
I’m a fisherman myself and I can assure you he only ever does that for the videos lol, in the real world there’s not much time to do all that unless you wanna get home at 11pm, especially for the captain.
Only times I’ve ever done that were when I was bored on long steams as a bander lol
you cover the most random drama and I absolutely LOVE it!!
only a true journalist can make a story from something small ❤
I mean you can only take credit for so long lol. It’s his business and his equipment. Sure Keith said start posting on TT, but that’s not something J couldn’t have come up with on his own. I mean where’s the proof of Keith coming up with ideas? He didn’t seem to show any planning of what they’ll shoot or what the ideas are? Idk I’m not saying anyone’s lying, but he was already making some kind of content before TT. If someone’s already posting on CZcams it’s not an insane leap to also go onto TT lol.
Keith even was told by Jacob he would get paid if he actually started coming up with video ideas, filming, editing, etc. and Keith still thought he should get paid a percentage of Jacob’s profits without all that. which means he wasn’t doing any of that before… literally wanted credit and profit forever for saying “maybe u shud post ur CZcams content on TikTok” and helping come up with one single video prank idea at the very beginning…. Yea… crazy.
So tldr, guy comes up with a good idea.
Co workers take it farther and improve on it.
First guy is upset they don't credit him anymore.
If you convinced me to take a loan and risk an investment, and it works out, I don't owe you shit.
They're employer/employee, not really coworkers. Coworker implies that they're on the same level in the organization
I get having a disagreement over pay and leaving a job over it, but going all scorched earth about it when it doesn't seem to be anything more than a disagreement is weird imo
It's a sure fire way to give future employers an opinion of you!
fishing people get paid a ton of money because they usually are working over 40 hours a week doing extremely hard manual labor with little breaks for weeks straight, and potentially shitty weather
Team Jacob all day. I don’t think Keith went about this the right way, but I understand where he’s coming from. Hopefully it’s a lesson to all: ALWAYS get it in writing.
Oh no, I love the lobster guy!
not the fishermen 😭
As someone who has extremely random algorithms, Im talking about shaving hoves, embroidery, pony training, shaving sheep/llamas, chefs on private yachts, woodwork knives and lobster stuff, I love Jacob. This drama sucks.
it's less of beef and more of...fish I suppose lol
I love the lobster guy, Jacob! How crazy to see him on the Markie channel!
I think Keith has cooked his lobster! Having an idea is fine but without the boat, the primary business and probably the recording equipment, cameras mics etc, he has nothing. Maybe there are lots of jobs like this he can go to but I doubt it and he's turned his back on $130,000 a year between the two incomes. Sounds crazy to me!
Expecting all credit forever just bc you told someone “Hey, you should do TikTok” and then they find success, is wild. The employee has none of the risk or responsibility that the owner does. If dude wants to quit, fine, quit, but his former employer has done nothing wrong. If butthurt dude wants to get famous on TikTok he can go make his own account. The cameraman or occasional idea man never makes an equal amount as the face and owner of a brand. If you expect revenue from an idea, do it yourself, otherwise it’s just a suggestion and whoever you give your suggestion to isn’t obligated to support you. Butthurt dude is jealous.
You must be slow
Watching this as I’m cooking fish! Lmao
No I’m overhead charges he says? So why doesn’t he just get in his commercially licensed lobster boat, fill that baby up with petro, and make his own TikTok videos? Oh wait….
this is the earliest ive ever been to a Markie video!! Hope you are having an awesome day!
Thank you!!! Ive been waiting like a week since DWKT teased this topic. I needed the dirt
I watch the lobster man (subscribed) and Keith was never the 'face' of the channel. Jacob has always been the personality, the guy talking about his finds, about conservation efforts, the joke maker. Whenever I saw Keith, he was a guy who showed up as an extra. 50/50 would never be fair, that's ridiculous.