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Eurovision 2024:
Albania: Besa - "TiTAN"
Armenia: Ladaniva - "Jako"
Australia: Electric Fields - "One Milkali (One Blood)"
Austria: Kaleen - "We Will Rave"
Azerbaijan: Fahree -
Belgium: Mustii - "Before the Party's Over"
Croatia: Baby Lasagna - "Rim tim tagi dim"
Cyprus: Silia Kapsis - "Liar"
Czechia: Aiko - "Pedestal"
Denmark: Saba - "Sand"
Estonia: 5miinust and Puuluup - "(Nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (küll) midagi"
Finland: Windows95man - "No Rules!"
France: Slimane - "Mon Amour"
Georgia: Nutsa - "Fire Fighter"
Germany: Isaak - "Always on the Run"
Greece: Marina Satti - "Zari"
Iceland: Hera Bjork - "Scared of Heights"
Ireland: Bambie Thug - "Doomsday Blue"
Italy: Angelina Mango - "La noia"
Latvia: Dons - "Hollow"
Lithuania: Silvester Belt - "Lukltelk"
Luxembourg: Tali - "Fighter"
Malta: Sarah Bonnici - "Loop"
Moldova: Natalia Barbu - "In the Middle"
Netherlands: Joost Klein - "Europapa"
Norway: Gåte - "Ulveham"
Poland: Luna - "The Tower"
Portugal: Iolanda - "Grito"
San Marino: Megara - "11:11"
Serbia: Teya Dora - "Ramonda"
Slovenia: Raiven - "Veronika"
Spain: Nebulossa - "Zorra"
Sweden: Marcus & Martinus - "Unforgettable"
Switzerland: Nemo - "The Code"
Ukraine: Jerry Heil and Alyona alyona - "Teresa & Maria"
United Kingdom: Olly Alexander - "Dizzy"
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Komentáře

  • @dalmatiandream4452
    @dalmatiandream4452 Před 12 hodinami

    How is possible that 5th place of AUDIENCE of 1000000 people be winner...??? Just because of decision of jury of few people.. All logical answers are welcome... Please.... Just talking about Facts... / not music taste Will YOU give gold medal someone on Olympic games if it is 5th...??? Think about it... Not even 1 - 3 place... #justice #behonest #democracy #fairplay #children #education #mathematic #nologic #numbers

  • @maikotter9945
    @maikotter9945 Před 12 hodinami

    Why "5 human per country", feel to be "more valuble", than hundreds of millions of humans?

  • @jormdeworm
    @jormdeworm Před 13 hodinami

    it’s so stupid lol

  • @dragonblossom-qw2pl
    @dragonblossom-qw2pl Před 13 hodinami

    Croatia 🇭🇷 should leave this competition immediately

  • @user-nf5yd4kc9b
    @user-nf5yd4kc9b Před 13 hodinami

    a nevezési díj miatt. más oka nem lehet. orbán semmilyen kiadást nem támogat (amiből nincsen haszna). semmi olyan kiadást ami a zsebéből vesz ki pénzt. - mert ugye magyarország bevétele az övé. - a kiadások meg ugye az országé. - a haszon szintén orbán zsebét gazdagítja. - ebből neki semmi haszna.. (csak kiadása lenne).. meg azt se felejtsük el, hogy cigányt indítanának.. - ez az egy előnye van csak, hogy nem indul magyarország, mert akkor nem azonosítják az országot az elcigányosodással. ( bár már 2 millió cigány van az országban.). szóval cigánytelepé tette orbán magyarországot.

  • @Eurobarbie24
    @Eurobarbie24 Před 13 hodinami

    Joost might be the real winner of Eurovision at this point. On the Global Digital Artist charts - the chart that combines all digital services (from Spotify to Deezer to Shazam) He ranks today at number 28. Nemo is the second highest Eurovision artist at number 30. Others: Slimane 41 - Baby Lasagna 58 - Alyona Alyona 91 - Angelina 103 - Marcus & Martinus 145 - Jerry Heil 158 - Bambi Thug 169 - Marina Sati 290

  • @iliashow3375
    @iliashow3375 Před 14 hodinami

    Where is käärijä

  • @purplehorseneigh
    @purplehorseneigh Před 14 hodinami

    Not entirely accurate. Joost Klein is the second time this happened. You are forgetting about Iceland's act Fire Saga and their song "double trouble" in the year 20**. They played the incorrect song during finals, leading to their disqualification. Anyone who doesn't know this is kind of a fake fan if you ask me.

  • @tobstobs950
    @tobstobs950 Před 14 hodinami

    Not you ignoring lsrael like that 💀💀💀

  • @joni8829_
    @joni8829_ Před 15 hodinami

    JUSTICE FOR JOOST 🇳🇱❤️

  • @beebabeeb
    @beebabeeb Před 15 hodinami

    Joost being the only entry to be disqualified EVER is crazy😭 justice for joost 💔

  • @luckas2a2
    @luckas2a2 Před 16 hodinami

    You forgot about romania 2016.

  • @alejxnh
    @alejxnh Před 16 hodinami

    I'm so sorry but the people that are complaining about the juries are literally being double standard because if that certain country ended up being the televote winner (because she almost was, for only 14 points) you wouldn't have said the same with the results.

  • @holysans404
    @holysans404 Před 16 hodinami

    Least Dislikes but Last place, Norway was never Last for probably 99% of us, they did not deserve that

  • @stevenwilliams3038
    @stevenwilliams3038 Před 17 hodinami

    I know Ukraine came 3rd from 2nd but is still think 2nd is the Death slot. Ukraine has a Large Diaspora (which has grown since Russia Invaded Ukraine) and Ukraine didn't win

  • @LilisMaryana18
    @LilisMaryana18 Před 17 hodinami

    2023 & 2024 ❤❤❤ but my winner still nemo.. I love them all.

  • @LilisMaryana18
    @LilisMaryana18 Před 17 hodinami

    2016 2019 2021 2022 😢😢😢

  • @huguihugh9803
    @huguihugh9803 Před 18 hodinami

    The Eccho Camara remembered Berlin in the 40s. Try to ignorate the true, a country and their prople is fascism

  • @rafalillo
    @rafalillo Před 18 hodinami

    This system only was 3 years? How was the system 2012, 2011, etc?

  • @ashervirin9698
    @ashervirin9698 Před 19 hodinami

    How is it that 5 people each who nobody in the respective countries even agreed upon, get to decide 50% of the votes, and the like 150 million televotes also count for the exact same 50%. And then not only that but these "juries" are clearly prone to being severely rigged, as they were this year towards switzerland.

  • @user-bv3ks5kg5j
    @user-bv3ks5kg5j Před 19 hodinami

    Enough with the same countries winning. I want new countries now

  • @AnitaLovif
    @AnitaLovif Před 19 hodinami

    You overrared Italy

  • @vogiassssss
    @vogiassssss Před 19 hodinami

    Lane Moje my Godd best eurovision song ever how did it came second, no jury that year 😭😭

  • @sagittarius5466
    @sagittarius5466 Před 20 hodinami

    So these are the real winners, interesting

  • @James_Anderson_
    @James_Anderson_ Před 20 hodinami

    The problem is making the semi-finals televote only, the reason Switzerland got crowded around by the juries is that jury-friendly songs are less likely to qualify. If you don't want one country running away with the juries in the final, give them a say in the semis. If we change the 50/50 system we'll end up with 30 Cha Cha Chas every year which might sound fun but really really wouldn't be. Giving a handful of people 50% of the vote may seem unfair but it's the best option there is

  • @mrgrimm53
    @mrgrimm53 Před 21 hodinou

    If the jury wants someone to win, they'll make sure they win. It's as simple as that.

  • @Pedrocas
    @Pedrocas Před 21 hodinou

    When you think EuroVision can't get worse... You get proved wrong every year

  • @rtperrett
    @rtperrett Před 21 hodinou

    Wouldn't it be amazing if Malta won the Eurovision song Contest with a Maltese song? So sad that Poland never won with To Nie Ja! with Edyta Górniak.

  • @Lilithmoonpower
    @Lilithmoonpower Před 21 hodinou

    I hope Macedonia🇲🇰 will come back next year... Tamara was absolutely incredible,her voice is amazing Please Macedonia come back with a boom

  • @Tommysalamiwow
    @Tommysalamiwow Před 21 hodinou

    hahahah

  • @rtperrett
    @rtperrett Před 21 hodinou

    The Estonian song is very good, amazing that the people like it so much more than the Jury did. 12 places is a huge difference. The jury liked the Portuguese song far better than the people did. People will look back and realized that the Norwegian Entry is underrated. The best quality worse scoring song that should have been higher up on the list.

  • @rtperrett
    @rtperrett Před 22 hodinami

    Croatia should send Baby Lasagna back to Eurovision for next year. I wonder how the votes would have been allocated if the Netherlands wasn't disqualified.

  • @EmmatildaS
    @EmmatildaS Před 22 hodinami

    Keiino still hurts

  • @NiNa-nn3bm
    @NiNa-nn3bm Před 22 hodinami

    Marina satti was not even in list but she still got only 85 votes 🙄

  • @NiNa-nn3bm
    @NiNa-nn3bm Před 22 hodinami

    Olly’s song is really nice but live performance was not good

  • @namine8552
    @namine8552 Před 22 hodinami

    Glad you're not trying to cancel Joost like EBU is doing💙

  • @GABentCon
    @GABentCon Před 22 hodinami

    You are a childish fraud!

  • @JeGeweten
    @JeGeweten Před 22 hodinami

    They did the right thing by disqualifying this incompetent boor! 🎉😂

  • @JeGeweten
    @JeGeweten Před 22 hodinami

    Правильно сделали, что дисквалифицировали этого бездарного неадеквата! 🎉

  • @willferrigno1
    @willferrigno1 Před 22 hodinami

    All this shows is that the system is pretty fair, because clearly some of the time the public favorite aligns with the winner, and sometimes it doesn't, and there is no overwhelming trend towards either, it seems mostly even. Obviously the people's opinions are important, but the juries also provide valuable insight into what makes a good song worthy of winning, so I feel the 50% to 50% ratio works well, since clearly public winners still win plenty of the time, and it's not like the jury winners had 0 public approval, just slightly less that the public favorite of that year.

  • @simmyminelli8479
    @simmyminelli8479 Před 22 hodinami

    Portugal: apart from the vocal pitch at the end the song was the most boring, the better the greece

  • @SylverPfeil
    @SylverPfeil Před 22 hodinami

    As someone who once spent hours and days un-cluttering the 2015 results, I deeply respect the speed at which you performed all this work. 👏 Also TOOBASED

  • @Emil-kf8eq
    @Emil-kf8eq Před 23 hodinami

    Every Year scandalous Jury Decisions! Of course they should have only 25%. Baby Lasagna is the real Winner, the World knows that.

  • @jarosawrowienicz1920
    @jarosawrowienicz1920 Před 23 hodinami

    Nutsa without another +200,000 i'm shook 😂

  • @msahC
    @msahC Před 23 hodinami

    Better version of “Top 5 Succesful Communist Countries………. Thanks for Watching!”

  • @SylverPfeil
    @SylverPfeil Před 23 hodinami

    savage and hilarious

  • @HanikSheli
    @HanikSheli Před 23 hodinami

    You are pathetic 🤭

  • @laurawieczorkowska3756
    @laurawieczorkowska3756 Před 23 hodinami

    I hope there will some changes. Televoting is a huge amount of money in the game. If the audience realizes that their vote, year after year, doesn't matter, they will become discouraged and they will stop participating in it. And the Eurovision must be profitable, on various aspects. We need to limit the possibility of a situation in which the public's voice cannot change anything.