Sly Cooper Theory - Did Clockwerk Have A Secret Ally?

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  • čas přidán 19. 11. 2017
  • Clockwerk had hired 4 members and called the group the Fiendish Five. The purpose of this group was not only to break into Sly’s childhood home to murder his parents, but to also rip out pages from the Thievius Raccoonus as a way of proving to Sly that they’re nothing without the book.
    In Clockwerk’s lair, we notice some computers which I doubt Clockwerk used. It’s as if someone was keeping an eye or guiding Clockwerk. Could it be possible that the owl had a secret ally who is still roaming the streets? How close was Clockwerk to this person?
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Komentáře • 239

  • @TheAuscomando
    @TheAuscomando Před 6 lety +41

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    2. Cream butter and sugars, once creamed, combine in the egg and vanilla.
    3. Sift in the flour and salt, then the chocolate chips.
    4. Roll into walnut size balls, for a more homemade look, or roll into a long, thick sausage shape and slice to make neater looking cookies.
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    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +11

      Thank you saved my life!

    • @TheAuscomando
      @TheAuscomando Před 6 lety +6

      No need to thank me citizen.

    • @grimscatcat3005
      @grimscatcat3005 Před 4 lety +1

      @@VtnVivi hey dude i dont think clockwork has a security ally did he

    • @nelzelpher2088
      @nelzelpher2088 Před 3 lety

      @@TheAuscomando will the cookies still be doughy in the middle if you bake for 10 minutes.

  • @THEWOLFOFDARKEARTH
    @THEWOLFOFDARKEARTH Před 6 lety +16

    This theory really makes you think, I like the way you just have to question clockwork such a mysterious owl in so many ways

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +3

      I'm happy you enjoyed the vid!

  • @Heyesy
    @Heyesy Před 6 lety +21

    I bet if Penelope was really "The Guy in the Chair" (LOVE SPIDER-MAN HOMECOMING) She had been the one to point Clockwerk in the direction of the crashed Time Machine in Ancient Egypt, she travels back, Clockwerk builds himself up, and gains Time powers from the left over power of the Machine. (Explaining his appearance in 10,000 BCE) Except before Penelope leaves, she had somehow heard about the Hate-Chip, creates one, (Because if this is one of those over-the-top cartoon worlds, which I'm pretty sure it is, we'll just say she can create anything...) And gives it to Clockwerk after he fully builds his Mech-Suit. After thousands of years, he meets young Penelope, tells her about how she will/has already (CONFUSING KINDA) let him become reborn, she turns evil, (Maybe she's seen Sly in the news and hates him for some reason or something like that...) decides to work for Clockwerk, and maybe he could have already traveled into the future, seeing everything that happens, and maybe she gets into contact with everybody from the Fiendish 5, all of the villains in Sly 3, and it turns out she was behind it all!!!!!!!!! Except for 2 and 4, of course.
    Ok, wow. I think the last few sentences were just EXTREME theories, but heck. If Sanzaru wants to go completely crazy for Sly 5 or possibly 6, I'm here for your story board!!

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +3

      I like how deep you get into this theory! So if Penelope was the creator, wouldn't she question the hate-chip even after finding out from let's say Bentley? Knowing how smart she is, why would she resort to a hate device? Sounds more like a voodoo/dark device to me. If Clockwerk does interact with his young creator in the future, he has to be careful not to undo it. Going with your theory, it all worked out pretty smoothly because Penelope went to the past as destined. Thiis is pretty much a time loop.

    • @Heyesy
      @Heyesy Před 6 lety

      VTNVIVI Yeah, huh. There are SO many ways this can go, but I think your theory might be the best out of all of them. My theory was sort of just a pass time, but in some ways it could add to an answer. Even if NONE of these theories are correct, I find them fun!

  • @Cory2000
    @Cory2000 Před 6 lety +17

    The threat of Ultron isn't just his body, but the fact he could download his mind into the internet. Then into one or more new bodies. Often better bodies. What if Clockwerk did the same?
    What if Sly isn't fighting Clockwerk, but Clockwerks. Various weaponized updated versions of his body. Like a Stealth body, a Heavy Weapons body, a Speedster Body, Mind Controller body, etc. With the end being a gauntlet fighting all of them, fighting a combination body made of their powers, or maybe even multiple Clockwerks.
    Also who knows, maybe Clockwerk could create bodies to kill Sly's Allies. A Bentley-Killer body, a Murray-Killer body, and even a Carmelita-Killer body. To hurt Sly in the worst way by harming his friends.
    Just an idea...

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +7

      Yeah going more into detail, Ultron was capable of doing that. It's weird, how did the owl survive and then easily get killed off by Sly? Something is fishy...

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 3 lety

      @Matthew Schaff Woah that was so long ago :O

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 3 lety

      @Matthew Schaff Haven't in for 3 years now. The place burnt down sadly.

  • @stefanloncar6868
    @stefanloncar6868 Před 6 lety +4

    For some reason Clockwerk is not only my favorite Sly Cooper villain but also favorite video game villain because there were a lot of unanswered questions about him on how he maneged to turn his body into cyborg in past

  • @nicholascraley701
    @nicholascraley701 Před 4 lety +6

    During the lava battle scene listen to Clockwerk's random noises, your theory about a person at the computer seems feasible... Im not certain about it being penelope however... it would be nice for a redemption arc

  • @NamelessKing1597
    @NamelessKing1597 Před 3 lety +2

    My guess about Clockwerk's origin is that he was the brain behind Slytankhamun I's gang but something happened, probably involving Slytankhamun's compassion causing a heist to fail and Clockwerk to get injured with Slytankhamun thinking he's died. "Compassion has always been the downfall of the Cooper Clan". It takes several days for him to crawl back to town and when he does he finds out his fiancée has moved on because she thought he was dead "flowers, feet together(dancing)[Clockwerk's Memory rebooting]".
    He lost everything because of Cooper morality and because he's crippled he can't even go back to thievery. He laid in his bed for months as his old friend's reputation grew, the isolation warping his mind and making him bitter. He eventually makes a body out of bronze and uses black magic to infuse a talisman inside it with his hatred (he gets more high tech as time goes on eventually getting his signature titanium body and fusing the talisman into a chip to control the new high tech additions to it).

    • @tgzzz1
      @tgzzz1 Před 3 lety

      U know what this is s good theory I respect it

  • @slycooper7170
    @slycooper7170 Před 6 lety +3

    The Cult of clockwork sounds scary

  • @slycooper7170
    @slycooper7170 Před 6 lety +4

    Clockwork was living for thousands of years there was the fiendish five and the claw gang what if Clockwork had a secret cult that look to him as a god and now they want me dead that would be insane

  • @KingCobraaaaa
    @KingCobraaaaa Před 3 lety +2

    I think its safe to say raleigh had been working with clockwerk before the fiendish five.

  • @samori360
    @samori360 Před 6 lety

    VTNVIVI is the man and amazing video

  • @omegasamurai1787
    @omegasamurai1787 Před 6 lety +2

    Love your videos man always entertaining.

  • @SonGoku_23
    @SonGoku_23 Před 6 lety +2

    Don't listen to them Garen. Your videos are great and I can see how much effort an love you put in every video.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      I appreciate it thanks!

  • @checkpng
    @checkpng Před 6 lety

    I've been watching your videos before I had a CZcams channel and your videos are amazing!!!

  • @joaomacedo7279
    @joaomacedo7279 Před 6 lety +1

    OMG now that i think, Penelope rly fits as the guy in the chair. It would be awesome something like that, i would go crazy with that pt. That theory is rly an amazing one and a possible one. Dude you rly should write stories for games or movies, you have the talent for that

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      Means so much I appreciate it :D

  • @karldettlinger467
    @karldettlinger467 Před 6 lety +1

    If you strike me down, I will return stronger than ever before. Clockwerk probably said that under his breath.

  • @NordiusOfficial
    @NordiusOfficial Před 6 lety +1

    Clockwork is a character that definitely deserves to be revived!

  • @ytpersonhdjcbskhdbdh
    @ytpersonhdjcbskhdbdh Před 6 lety +1

    ViVi I really like your videos and should keep using sly cooper theories

  • @SuperGodzilla2
    @SuperGodzilla2 Před 6 lety

    i love your Clockwerk theories

  • @hunterhowey5393
    @hunterhowey5393 Před rokem

    I like the idea of Clockwerk having a secret apprentice to Aid him maybe of a certain mouse character, we all know. He could be the one that taught her everything she knows.

  • @NordiusOfficial
    @NordiusOfficial Před 6 lety +1

    Theories on cartoon games are just as important as realistic game theories.

  • @JJARR
    @JJARR Před 6 lety

    Cool vid vtnvivi

  • @SuperJopires
    @SuperJopires Před 5 lety +2

    The greatest theory I ever heard was that Penelope starts getting jelous about Sly and Bentley relationship (as we can see in sly 4) and coincidence or not she just had finished building a time machine with them. She goes back in time, Guides clockwerk into killing sly parents, helps him with his metal parts and builds with him a plan to Destroy the entire cooper bloodline.
    She comes back, joins Le paradox but because she wants all the stolen cooper canes for her and Clockwerk. So they can travel in time and perfectly end the coopers.
    She escaped from jail after sly 4 and maybe now the plan is to find cooper with the help of clockwerk and the time machine and try to kill him before the gang can find him.
    Once I heard this one... I was... amazed, it sounds crazy but at the same time sooo perfect and that I really belive its gonna be something like this... Imagining the greatest villan (penelope) already working to destroy Sly before we even met her... and who was once an "ally"... just... blows my mind. I would clap for the greatest storyline ever if this was it.
    Im sure they not gonna disapoint me either way.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 5 lety +1

      I like the part where Penelope could've been lowkey bad before we even met her. All that's happened was intentional and perhaps part of Clockwerk's plan. I did discuss this old theory of Penelope going back in time.

    • @SuperJopires
      @SuperJopires Před 5 lety

      @@VtnVivi Me- *When you listen/read and fall in love for so many theories that you don´t even know where you got them from.*

  • @ethanwise175
    @ethanwise175 Před rokem +1

    I think it's Doctor M who is this serect ally out of revenge on conner after he left him and have you ever think maybe the Doctor knows who where sly lives and he told Clockwerk where he lives so therefore he responsible for Sly being a orphan

  • @danielacedillo3714
    @danielacedillo3714 Před 5 lety +1

    Well...he originally spoke Owl dialect we saw in the first game...who is to say Bob didn't just speak old school raccoon dialect.

  • @richb4527
    @richb4527 Před 6 lety

    Great video bro

  • @nicoibsen1428
    @nicoibsen1428 Před 4 lety

    You Are awesome, and you make goods videos, love sly!

  • @MiniZurkon8008
    @MiniZurkon8008 Před 6 lety

    i dont care about what games theory you make,you are the best youtouber ever for me!!

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Thank you so much I appreciate it!

  • @lunacryst5368
    @lunacryst5368 Před 6 lety

    Lore is the very reason that Sly 2 is my favourite in the series, particularly in terms of how well the story is constructed with plenty of twists and turns as well as being given time to breathe over 8 episodes and I’d like to see that level of storytelling in the series in future... Interesting theory though vivi, I’ve always thought that Clockwerk could be playing a “long game”, considering how long he’s lived you’d think he’d have contingencies in place should things go wrong... Would be good to see more of his backstory in a sequel and if not his revival, a successor carrying on his legacy/life’s work...

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for sharing, glad you enjoyed the vid :D

  • @getyourgameon5178
    @getyourgameon5178 Před 6 lety

    will discuss another games soon in the channel

  • @florpflop6364
    @florpflop6364 Před 2 lety +1

    Le Paradox has been working with Clockwork the entire time! Constantly traveling back in time aiding Clockwork and feeding his rage with mechanical parts throughout history. I don’t actually believe this but like has anyone ever wondered how he’s been surviving? No way Clockwork became mechanical within just the last 200 years.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 2 lety +1

      Clockwerk needs some backstory believe me!

  • @TheJuicyJediJester
    @TheJuicyJediJester Před 6 lety +1

    In the manual for the first game it hinted that Clockwork might have had an accomplice but clockwork killed him sometime during the game for spilling chocolate ice cream on his tail feathers!

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Damn you chocolate ice cream!

  • @jonathansianez8274
    @jonathansianez8274 Před 6 lety +3

    Theories about clockwerk r great

  • @klngchais
    @klngchais Před 6 lety +3

    Your theories are nice as hell, you should honestly have sanzaru look into your gameplay theories

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Means a lot thank you :D

    • @dominicsurvine
      @dominicsurvine Před 5 lety

      Yuck why would we want Sanzaru to do something, they ruined the sly cooper game series maybe we should get Sucker Punch instead, the good Sly Cooper devs

  • @SHIVERnexus
    @SHIVERnexus Před 6 lety +1

    Interesting theory. Although I beleive Dr M would make a better fit because he
    1) specializes in mixing animals and machines
    2) Grew to hate Connor
    3) All the tech he devoloped is far beyond anyone elses in the series (except for the time machine)
    Food for thought I guess.

    • @timsheppard6204
      @timsheppard6204 Před 6 lety

      SHIVERnexus Dr M doesn't seem the type of guy to take orders well

    • @SHIVERnexus
      @SHIVERnexus Před 6 lety

      Maybe he's the one who ends up giving orders, Clockwerk becomes fully automated by the end.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      You got a point. I would just imagine a deal between the two.

  • @jacobholly2096
    @jacobholly2096 Před 6 lety +1

    And I find it weird that in sly 1 clockwerk fell in the lava and randomly came out upgraded shooting electric rings weird right and Penelope could have created the hate chip.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      The hate chip to me sounds like dark magic.

  • @plankton67js
    @plankton67js Před 6 lety +1

    O.O So much content!

  • @richardnixongaming5030
    @richardnixongaming5030 Před 6 lety +1

    But I have a question please respond in the first game look at how small clockworks body is compared to the final boss battle is sly two if you noticed his body is a lot longer could clockwork still be dead in the lava pit and be built again?Or before we ever knew about Bentleys girlfriend could she helped work on clockla?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      The parts from the lava were actually retrieved and put in the museum. His parts deteriorated right after the hate chip was crushed, he was immune to lava let's put it that way. As for his size in Sly 2? It's just the design I'd say... I know I said we have obvious answers but those parts were the exact same as Sly 1.

  • @actuallink9656
    @actuallink9656 Před 6 lety +1

    I'm still clinging on to the theory that Penelope created Clockwerk. IT WAS PENELOPE ALL ALONG!

    • @loganlarocque22
      @loganlarocque22 Před 6 lety +2

      Kasually Kelsey NOO! Penelope becoming an antagonist is one of the worst story decisions in my opinion!

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Unless they give us a good reason.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +2

      If not her, then I still believe someone aided Clockwerk in 1350BC.

  • @caesarsaladzeppeli1527
    @caesarsaladzeppeli1527 Před 4 lety +1

    What if Clockwerk got access to time travel through Penelope? That could explain why he was in the B.C. times

  • @johannamaria4696
    @johannamaria4696 Před 6 lety

    Since i was 8 years old i started to play sly and i have always wanted to know more about clockwerk - who he actually is, what is his past and motive to destroy coopers etc. Now i have started to think that if they would actually make more sly games where they would answer these questions, they would kinda take away the reason why clockwerk is so good villain. It actually makes villain more mysterious, scary and better if you don't know him/her that well (for example heath ledger's joker).

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Glad you agree they could make more games with Clockwerk!

  • @MrWillebe
    @MrWillebe Před 6 lety +1

    I think Neyla would be a more plausible answer as to who was operating those computers. She never had an explanation as to why she wanted the Clockwerk parts in the first place. Perhaps she was the key to bringing Clockwerk back stronger but instead saw an opportunity to seize that power for herself. It would explain why she joined Interpol seeing as she never had a reason that was presented, perhaps she joined because that would be her way of getting the parts or at least get closer to them.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      Neyla was working closely with Arpeggio only to backstab him in the end. She was his protegée.

  • @CyberDragoon656
    @CyberDragoon656 Před rokem

    I know I'm late but seeing this theory has me curious about something else related to clockwerk. I don't remember if it was explained nor do I think there was an answer to it but, given how/where clockwerk was defeated how was anyone able to retrieve and repair his body for sly 2?

  • @fionali4502
    @fionali4502 Před 6 lety

    I'm not sure why I keep forgetting to press the notification bell icon twice. But I sure did now finally. I want you to know that I still watch your videos even if they're not about the Ratchet & Clank series. However, that doesn't mean I watch your Kingdom Hearts videos too. What I mean is I usually watch your Ratchet & Clank, Jak And Daxter, Sly Cooper and 3D platformer videos.
    Coincidentally, there is a (small) mouse called Penelope in Animal Crossing: New Leaf but she's pink, though. She's one of the many peppy animal villagers and she's one of my favourite villagers aside from Roald the Penguin, Vesta the Sheep, Joey the Duck and Cube the Penguin.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      :D

    • @fionali4502
      @fionali4502 Před 6 lety

      VTNVIVI Unfortunately, Penelope doesn't live in my Animal Crossing: New Leaf town anymore. 😢
      Anyway, my Ratchet & Clank print arrived today from Gallery Nucleus. I picked the one that costs $40.00. It's the only one that stood out to me the most since the sci-fi retro art style reminds me of The Jetsons and it's the cheapest out of all the Ratchet & Clank prints. I would've gone for the same print as you but I don't think I can justify the shipping. Plus, $60.00 is a bit expensive for me.

  • @danielacedillo3714
    @danielacedillo3714 Před 5 lety +1

    I think Clockwork chilled outside and then they divided the book. He was never meant to fit. The others in the gang would go in there.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 5 lety

      Well we did see him rip out pages himself.....unless yeah he decided to give away some.

    • @danielacedillo3714
      @danielacedillo3714 Před 5 lety +1

      Like either outside before they left is when they each took their own piece. Even if Sly was in the closet he could have heard them. Idk. Was just a thought. Cause he was huge.

    • @danielacedillo3714
      @danielacedillo3714 Před 5 lety +1

      Or during the Narration he could have came to the conclusion they split it at a later point in his life like looking back and how he choose to tell the story. He tells it as if it has already happened. So it could be how he choose to tell it but it was a fact he learned latter from his gang Intel or as he experienced it noticed each had parts but when he was a kid didn't know that.

  • @soragamma25
    @soragamma25 Před 6 lety +1

    What if clockwork was actually a type of time machine from a different point in time/universe if they want to take that route, that'll make the easter eggs in sly 4 make sense and it would also explain why he looks so different, as who ever built him would try to make him better as he has said himself that he has been defeated before and yet still lived (but sly didn't even make note of clockwork to any of his ancestors), so the next question is: who is the person behind clockwork?

  • @NamelessKing1597
    @NamelessKing1597 Před 3 lety +1

    There are 2 separate workspaces in Clockwerk's lair. Arpeggio had to have known a lot about him to know where to find his parts and how they work and the only information available about him is in the TR or from his own beak. Could this have been a 3 man job? Could both Penelope and Arpeggio have been accomplices of the old bird.

  • @loganlarocque22
    @loganlarocque22 Před 6 lety +6

    Top 20 Sly cooper soundtracks? :)

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      I wouldn't think of 20, more like 10 :P

    • @loganlarocque22
      @loganlarocque22 Před 6 lety

      VTNVIVI That will be fantastic!

  • @kelleninouye4815
    @kelleninouye4815 Před 6 lety

    vtnvivi i agree with you that it could have been Penelope helping clockwork as his secret ally all along possibly!.

  • @jogamingandvlogs5437
    @jogamingandvlogs5437 Před 6 lety

    What if all this time Penelope was responsible for EVERYTHING since Sly Cooper 1. That'd be such a plot-twist.

  • @coopercooper5605
    @coopercooper5605 Před 6 lety

    Good video

  • @justinknutsson9135
    @justinknutsson9135 Před 6 lety

    I think the best thing about Clockwerk is that we know nothing about him, it is what makes him interresting

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Agreed, but still would love to know more.

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames Před 6 lety

    Clockwerk made allies with his greatest enemy......
    HIMSELF!

  • @jakolay69xd32
    @jakolay69xd32 Před 6 lety

    If you look at some of the blueprints in sly 2 in certain levels you might get a better image.

  • @stefanloncar6868
    @stefanloncar6868 Před 6 lety +2

    Maybe he made a deal with Bill Cipher LOL

  • @batmanfan4635
    @batmanfan4635 Před 6 lety

    Dude I love this video and I agreed

  • @blankblankness2971
    @blankblankness2971 Před 3 lety

    Sometimes, I can find it easy to tell what Bob Cooper is saying. He does use a lot of gibberish, but I can confess that sometimes I can hear whatever the subtitles say when he is speaking. I bet Clockwerk could understand too.

  • @JJARR
    @JJARR Před 6 lety

    Cool vid

  • @aliveknight4770
    @aliveknight4770 Před 6 lety

    It could be whoever or whatever is inside Clockwerk

  • @Katzumix3
    @Katzumix3 Před 6 lety

    Great video as always! But I have something to bring up. If it is Penelope (as most of us were expecting lol) then how old does that make her? This happened when Sly was a kid! Suddenly he’s 16 (if I remember correctly) in Thievious Racoonus and Penelope’s still supposed to appear young in Sly 3/Thieves in Time? I just don’t get it. Also, I would love a video on exactly how Clockwork was able to fit through the door of Sly’s house lol

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Aha! Clockwerk could have recruited her when maybe 17 years old, not during Sly's childhood. Sly was 18 in the first game, so we can say a year before that Penelope started working for him. Penelope was maybe 20 in Sly 3, the team was 21. Now as for Penelope recruiting the Fiendish Five (tracking potential members)? It doesn't work as she'd be just as young as Sly at that time. So whatever Penelope was doing behind that monitor had nothing to do with recruiting.

    • @Katzumix3
      @Katzumix3 Před 6 lety

      ....o.k......that could work :) I thought you were talking about before Sly’s childhood not after my bad lol

  • @rueagonvyceratops2879
    @rueagonvyceratops2879 Před 6 lety

    Yes sly is a talking raccoon, and i love that . i wish animals irl. could talk like sly , and the other anthro animals in games , and cartoon.

  • @angelworth1646
    @angelworth1646 Před 6 lety

    I personally don't think that sly Cooper is JUST a video game. It's a big part of my childhood, and I don't think that sly is JUST a character. When you play the games, you feel like you are part of his world. He is quite admirable, and he definitely deserves more than just "the talking raccoon".

    • @angelworth1646
      @angelworth1646 Před 6 lety

      Also, I agree. I think that clockwerk should have more screen time. I would like to know WHY he hates them in the first place, and I want to know how clockwerk grew up. It tells how most of the other villains grew up, so why not clockwerk? After all, he does deserve more than just the brief sightings and boss battles. Oh, and the clockwerk voice, too. Lots more of that.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      Exactly!!!!!

  • @Neck41
    @Neck41 Před 6 lety +1

    Ok...this is going to sound really out there. But this just popped into my mind. What if Clockwerk's secret ally is......Sly's mother.
    Now just think about it. There was no mention of her, meaning that possibly she wasn't there with them when Conner is killed. Also Conner knew that Dr. M was looking for him because of the vault, this is apparent when he gave McSweeney the map to the vault. If He and Sly were in danger of being found by Dr. M then wouldn't Conner try to hid himself and Sly somewhere where no one could find them.
    If that was the case the only ones who would know about their location is Conner and Sly's mother. I don't know what happened between her and Conner but it must have warranted her to want him dead or something. She somehow finds Clockwerk and reveals their location. I don't know what her reasons would be, but it also would maybe partially explain as to why her face isn't show. Maybe in a future game we see her as an NPC and aren't told about it till later.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      This would be huuge!!!!!! There's a big realm of possibilities as to who Sly's mother really was or what she did. Dr.M used to be part of Conner's gang, he most likely knew where he lived, I am pretty sure he would've figured it out judging by his skills. But I do believe Clockwerk had someone else working for him, someone who remained under the shadows.

    • @Neck41
      @Neck41 Před 6 lety +1

      VTNVIVI still it's something that can be looked into. If we had more info about the mother

  • @kelleninouye4815
    @kelleninouye4815 Před 6 lety +1

    Vtnvivi o understand now why Penelope betrayed the cooper gang as she felt sly was holding Bentley back. But what I still don’t understand yet is what did la paradox do/say to recruit Penelope ?.eg:help me get rid of the coopers and i’ll See what I can do to satisfy your desire?.

  • @ajevans1422
    @ajevans1422 Před 6 lety +1

    I know that Penelope is considered the one in the chair but there are other intelligent characters I mean there are characters like dr m which somebody like him could make a good ally of clockwork or you can look at villains who used some technology like Rajan he ain't smart like Raleigh but he uses a mix of old masonry and in his palace it is filled with many computers like the room where you had to protect Bentley would you consider them being a secret ally?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Dr.M as others pointed out doesn't look like someone who would take orders. Rajan is all about producing spice until the credits scene, I wouldn't imagine him being the tech guy.

  • @batmanfan4635
    @batmanfan4635 Před 6 lety

    Hay I love your video and I agree

  • @samuelmartin3623
    @samuelmartin3623 Před 6 lety

    vtv can you talk about spyro 20 annivasary plz

  • @QuinSkew
    @QuinSkew Před 6 lety

    Yes. The Humans have returned

  • @kelleninouye4815
    @kelleninouye4815 Před 6 lety +1

    Vtnvivi if your theory of Penelope being clowerk secret ally is correct,why wasn’t the cooper gang possibly aware when they asked her to join their gang?.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      All part of the plan even if it meant getting into a relationship. She's just too good at keeping that very dark secret.

  • @Randude14
    @Randude14 Před 6 lety +2

    I've always thought of Sly being caught in the past as nothing more than part of the timeline. Sly was meant to go back to Egypt. The timeline was meant to be screwed up. Perhaps this is how Clockwork is born. Why else would he want to live on for so long failing over and over to take over the Cooper clan than to take out Sly himself in the future? It all sounds weird to me. Idk maybe I've been watching too much Flash lol

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      I watch Flash believe me I like your way of thinking heheh (Earth X looks sweet can't wait) :P

  • @mattligotti2375
    @mattligotti2375 Před 6 lety

    That was interesting

  • @rikukeyblademaster1575

    Maybe they used a spyware tracking device program to keep track of the movements of the Cooper clan? More particularly sly At this point? I don’t know this is just a question that could be made into a theory I’m just speculating but also wondering at the exact same time :-)

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 5 lety

      Or a mole in the gang *cough* Penelope.

    • @rikukeyblademaster1575
      @rikukeyblademaster1575 Před 5 lety

      VTNVIVI That’s what I’m saying. Maybe somebody tipped them off? :-) It’s funny how we’re always on the same page , Could we have the same mindset perhaps?❤️😂

  • @lilmarioriesgobronykingleg6262

    Dr M is Clockwerk ally

  • @anibalhernandez2705
    @anibalhernandez2705 Před 6 lety

    To be honest if this the main villain in sly 5 is going to be dark

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      You mean Clockwerk right? Absolutely. If they dive deep into his background lore, it is going to be dark.

    • @anibalhernandez2705
      @anibalhernandez2705 Před 6 lety

      VTNVIVI not clockwerk I mean his computer guy and I don't care what villain for sly 5 as long is not that dumbest owl or a villain is getting his revenge on Hollywood because his or her show cancelled after that one season

  • @darksigma0282
    @darksigma0282 Před 6 lety

    Just asking out of curiosity but did you see my comment on the whole "Clockwerk saw everything" thing? Is was in one of your videos or am I confusing you with someone else?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      I have no clue maybe I did see it?

  • @samori360
    @samori360 Před 6 lety

    VTNVIVI video idea if sly and ratchet and clank was T for teen

  • @amberwalters1932
    @amberwalters1932 Před 5 lety

    4:24 Hate me if you want Penelopee

  • @crazy_apepperoni5222
    @crazy_apepperoni5222 Před 6 lety

    But maybe it could be all because possibly with enough brain power maybe they made clockwork immortal?

  • @user-br7lv5iz9x
    @user-br7lv5iz9x Před 6 lety +1

    Nice video. When is there going to be a ratchet and clank. I'm sorry but I love your videos. But the most ones I love is Ratchet and clank games. And I've been thinking about ratchets dad. But anyways love your video

  • @AnonymousEnigma19
    @AnonymousEnigma19 Před 3 lety

    I don't know what you were saying he did have a heart, did you forget Sly 2? It's called The clockwork heart. 😆

  • @bastianlarsen7375
    @bastianlarsen7375 Před 4 lety

    Could one of Sly´s ancestor & Clockwerk have been partners like in Sly Cooper 3?
    I know in Sly Cooper 2, Sly said "He was jealous of the Cooper clan's reputation as a thief" but why?
    As you're saying why & what.
    1) If Sly 5 is coming (I hope it does) will we get a deeper storyline about Clockwerk?
    - Since Sly 4 is ending with a cutscene to Egypt would this have something to do with a feud between pharaohs?
    - Or did the ancestor steal something from Clockwerk that started it all?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 4 lety +1

      We need some backstory, something that will will shock us :P

    • @bastianlarsen7375
      @bastianlarsen7375 Před 4 lety

      VTNVIVI EXACTLY! 😊

  • @alanv2197
    @alanv2197 Před 5 lety

    But clock work looks like he’s from the future it because computer were not yet made wait he said that he knows the coppers what if sly is clock work maybe he time travel

  • @sammydee9215
    @sammydee9215 Před 6 lety

    Dr.M or Penelope perhaps?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      As someone pointed out, M seemed more like the loner type of guy, not taking orders from anyone.

  • @ShadowRaccoon54
    @ShadowRaccoon54 Před 4 lety +1

    I really like the concept of this theory. I never thought about that room where you rescue Carmelita. So, did the Fiendish Five have a secret member? From the evidence presented in this video, yes. Was that secret member Penelope? Absolutely not, and here's why.
    1) The biggest reason why Penelope isn't the secret member of the Fiendish Five is because Sly's 1-3 and Sly 4 were made by two different game developers. Sanzaru took on the Sly 4 project without any direction from Sucker Punch because they were busy working on inFamous at the time. Not to mention Sly 1 and 4 were released 11 years apart. There is absolutely no way Sucker Punch planned for Penelope to betray the Cooper Gang. Just look at how her betrayal comes out of left field with no explanation or real motive. You can't explain that with game theories, it's just bad writing. Sanzaru needed a plausible reason for Le Paradox to have his own time machine and they used Penelope as a scapegoat.
    2) Bootstrap Paradox. If Penelope was the one that went back in time and made Clockwerk immortal, who did it first? VIVI even said in another video theorizing about Sly being Slytenkamen is improbable because of the bootstrap paradox, but it all of a sudden makes sense when it comes to Penelope? And surely Penelope would know that Clockwerk would ultimately fail because Sly defeated him, not once, but twice, before the gang even met Penelope. So that theory doesn't work either.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 4 lety

      1. Hmm...You're mixing realistic assumption with fan theories :P Of course Penelope wasn't planned as being the secret member, but heck it's fun to theorize :P
      2. You do bring up a valid point! As for Sly's case, we're talking about him being his own ancestor which I believe plays a bit of a more complicated role.

    • @ShadowRaccoon54
      @ShadowRaccoon54 Před 4 lety +1

      @@VtnVivi 1. Sometimes we need to be able to look at a situation from more than one angle. Take Ratchet & Clank 2016 for example. Everything in that game messes with the canon timeline of the game series. After fruitlessly trying to put the pieces together, I came to the conclusion that the game and the movie that came with it are just a non-canon re-imagining of the first game. When the pieces don't fit together, it needs to be looked at from a different angle.
      2. I can see Slytenkamen taking inspiration from Sly, but not Sly being Slytenkamen. Sly giving Slytenkamen the idea for the Thievious Raccoonus and the Cooper Vault also don't pan out because of the bootstrap paradox again.

  • @dominicsurvine
    @dominicsurvine Před 5 lety

    Maybe it was Dr. M?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 5 lety

      I wish we knew more of Dr.M, the fact he brought up Sly's father.

  • @anthonycarlton1777
    @anthonycarlton1777 Před 6 lety +1

    Yep it was penelope

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      We aren't sure yet ;P

  • @boofboi9587
    @boofboi9587 Před 6 lety

    what if clockwerk was actually a coopers apprentice but there was a disagreement and the cooper left clockwerk with his wings cut off and left him for dead until someone found clockwerk and put him back together using mechanical parts. very reminescent of the anakin skywalker story, and his rebirth into darth vader. who knows maybe clockwerk isnt his original name? and this entire time he hated the coopers because his own master left him to die.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      I always had this small thought that Clockwerk could have been friends with Sly's Egyptian ancestor. Wings cut off? Man, that's pretty dark but could explain part of the reason why he despices them!

  • @dylanharr4421
    @dylanharr4421 Před 5 lety

    Nela or arpego

  • @arthuralam1000
    @arthuralam1000 Před 6 lety

    Penelope as a Clockwerk's spy is a good theory. The only problem is: Bentley still loving her. I Think Penelope loves Bentley too. Maybe she had no choice and had to betray the gang. a doble-agent story is always a good story. One thing is certain: Clockwerk need some help to return since his body was destroyed by Sly.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Penelope's intention at first was to just pretend to love him, but slowly got actual feelings and discovered his potential, something maybe Clockwerk was aware of as well.

  • @snm6447
    @snm6447 Před 4 lety +1

    This i pretty far fetched.... but cool.very cool.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 4 lety

      I get that a lot, especially with this one hahaha!

  • @njfox3305
    @njfox3305 Před 6 lety

    Secret ally my moneys on pennelapy

  • @eastwood1426
    @eastwood1426 Před 4 lety

    What if the owls in the past are working for clock work

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 4 lety

      Which owls?

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 4 lety

      @@eastwood1426 Hmm... Those are mere Clockwerk easter eggs :p

    • @eastwood1426
      @eastwood1426 Před 4 lety

      VTNVIVI the ones people say it’s clockwork the owls in thieves in time that watch sly ancestors what if they work for clock work and that’s why there small

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 4 lety

      @@eastwood1426 The robots in Medieval England you mean?

  • @cap_anileven
    @cap_anileven Před 6 lety

    You know it’s just a cartoon game right?
    I’m joking! Love your videos dude, and these comments, are just ridiculous in my mind. I mean, a realistic game isn’t any more reasonable to make theories for(?) Personally, I’m not really into many “realistic” games either, but Sly Cooper is my childhood(and I’m still hooked).

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      Means a lot I appreciate it!

  • @marcusframpton9091
    @marcusframpton9091 Před 6 lety +1

    don't listen to the haters your videos are great there's a lot of us that have been huge lie fans for a long time and you know we like to make up our own theories and imagine what could be possible in our favorite series yes it's a cartoon game but that doesn't matter to me it shouldn't matter to you keep up the great work 😁

  • @dspace4514
    @dspace4514 Před 6 lety

    2 things.
    1. I really liked these videos. Everytime i would search theories, it would either show me top 5 something or talk about sly5 or some extras. No theories. This channel goes into depth about the game and i love it. Also, its ironic that your channel avatar is ratchet when i think you talked more about sly than ratchet.
    2:22 HOW DID ANY OF THE FIENDISH FIVE BESDIDES RALEIGH ENTER THROUGH THE DOOR!? Also, you are tryingvto put logic in a game with talking animals

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      I appreciate it thank you! The door is just Sly logic I guess hahahah :P

  • @travondavis2016
    @travondavis2016 Před 6 lety

    The Best Story Line Would Be Clockwork Is A Slave Master And He Sees The Time Machine And Takes It Sly Meets The First Cooper And Tells him He Needs To Be stopped So As Clockwork Study’s The New Tec He Gets Very frustrated and wants to destroy it but sly stops him and in the process they beat him half Too death and frees his slaves and takes all his gold and that’s what starts the cooper legacy and that what makes him hate the cooper then Penelope comes to see if sly is there But helps clockwork from dying and puts him in the new body not knowing who he is and gives him a life chip witch he turns into a hate chip

  • @VongolaXZax
    @VongolaXZax Před rokem

    Old times lol

  • @tabreezsiddique
    @tabreezsiddique Před 6 lety +1

    0:00 - Why do I get the feeling this has to do with what you asked on twitter recently?
    0:52 - Uh does this have to do with TGX's response on twitter?
    1:48 - I already understood but I thought it was worth listening to, hopefully the others see this that way as well. :)
    2:24 - I never asked that but I can see why others would, maybe he broke through the walls? :/
    3:36 - For Clockwerk you mean? :/
    4:06 - All she uses in terms of technology is lasers, searchlights and alarms but other then that nothing. :P
    4:10 - Plus he clearly stole the "Thingus Raccamagucus". XD
    4:12 - He's all about burying innocent lives ... until the 3rd game happened. :P
    4:27 - I personally still don't believe it was her but go on with your opinion.
    4:52 - Actually those are robo-falcons.
    5:05 - Wait, what about that satellite dish over there near the falling rocks? :/
    6:15 - J's Reviews had argued that was why they brought him back in the next game.
    6:45 - A bit too leathery for my liking.
    8:03 - Hopefully Sanzaru Games when they do get back into it will try to make the story of him as dark as possible.
    8:16 - I haven't got any recipes but how about a simple "always happy to watch"? ;)

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety +1

      No it has nothing to do with TGX's reply, I'm talking about general not calling out anyone. Thanks for sharing mate.

  • @timsheppard6204
    @timsheppard6204 Před 6 lety

    Nah it's definitely Muggshot his stupidity is just a ruse i tell ya but in all seriousness Penelope must have done some major time traveling apparently she only works for the "best" maybe she hated Sly that much like Clockwerk but then again she's all about that money he might have payed well

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Yes! I think money is what Penelope was seeking with Clockwerk. With time, they just became good allies and worked for one another in secret.

  • @booboo_da_foo
    @booboo_da_foo Před 6 lety

    I think they would bring back Clockwerk in Sly 5, and that the Cooper Gang need Clockwerk's help, and they go to the past to find help but they can only think of Clockwerk and they ask him. But for him to tell them he wants a more powerful form, like the one in Sly 1, because think of how he looks in Sly 4. Then they do it and he tells them he saw Sly in Ancient Egypt. He gives them the artifact to go there, and they find Sly, but when they find him, Clockwerk in the past tries to kill them because he thinks they will kill him then, they run away and that would be the end. *CLIFFHANGER ALERT* Sly wakes up the next day and sees that Clockwerk 2.0 thing you were once talking about. The End.

    • @VtnVivi
      @VtnVivi  Před 6 lety

      Thanks for sharing your theory :)

    • @booboo_da_foo
      @booboo_da_foo Před 6 lety

      No problem
      I love your videos btw