Turbo VW UP GTI Conversion - EP3
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- čas přidán 11. 10. 2023
- Today the Turbo Up! GTI engine finally goes into the car, making it the first Up! GTI engine'd Up! in Australia, but we hit a bit of a bump in the road trying to get it to work.
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I love you videos! Cheers from germany! I am not a VW guy, more an Opel lover, but that project is soo cool.
The UP Tsi comes with a 5 speed... are u guys sure its not just a Tsi engine? not that they are that much different but still sucks as the 6 speed has much closer ratios.
do you geezas plan to build a infiniti g 35/ 37 ?
Is Moog's speech slurring? Is he got the cognitive decline?
Most of the issues you're having aren't because its a GTi into a normal up! - they are because its a facelift car going into a pre-facelift. For instance the mounts are larger for crash purposes, the pump is different to allow more flexable amounts of ethanol, the loom is different to allow for the extra bits and bobs you can get on the later cars and so on.
I don't know if you guys go the facelift over there but if you did you could have saved yourselves a lot of hassle.
Top tip with cable ties, if you open the packet in the middle they won't all fall out when you drop them on the floor.
This is so simple and yet makes so much sense. I'm going to do this from now on
whoa, thats genius
i was about to say the same. Best tip i ever learned from the internet!
@@NSUGS AvE reference?
That's not where I learned this if so!
I never cut in the middle or top, but just an inch or so from the top in a smallish slit in the center of the pack. That's the best of both worlds.
Getting the shorter gear ratios of the 6 speed is going to make this so much more worthwhile.
@@24k__JIsn't that literally what this video is
@@SullySadface theyre putting in the UP GTI engine which is just the TSI 1.0 mill
@@24k__Jthe 2l from the golf will not fit. it's too big.
@@M3PH11I’ve seen an UP with a VR6 swap so the 2.0l would likely fit. It would obviously require a lot of work though.
@@SullySadfaceno it’s not. They’re putting a 1 litre turbo in. Golf GTI is 2l
It just occurred to me that your Up (like all Aussie Ups) is the OG and that VW didn't introduce the GTI until the Up's first refresh in 2016, which would explain all the silly little unexpected differences like the top of the fuel pump assembly, slightly different key barrel etc.
It's a GTI conversion and a facelift all in one
its a german thing. they allways do weird little revisions to parts. they often change thier manufacturers often times not because something is wrong with the part but because its cheaper and so on.
@@99Lezard99Also they cant leave something good alone the engineers have to do something to keep their jobs so they over complicate everything 😂
@@99Lezard99 yes they do but the part has the same specs
That's a pretty big oversight for a project that was supposed to be plug and play lol
Although someone else said this looks like a TSI loom/engine so the whole thing could be a scam.
You don't need to swap the key barrels to make this work, just swap out the RFID chips inside the keys. If you have the GTI Cluster, ECU, and RFID chips (in the key), then the IMMO will be happy.
all 3 control units have to match up. each computer checks eachother before it lets the ecu run the engine.
@@someidot3699 Reason 1,000,001 to stay away from German trash when thinking about modding a car!
@@someidot3699 You are correct, but the Immo in the cluster is just looking for the correct RFID in the key, the metal key is just a mechanical lock for the steering column.
We used to have this dance with people back in the day with DSM cars (Mistubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon) here in North America. People would buy an NA car and ask what it would take to turbo their NA car. The answer was always "sell the NA car and buy a turbo car, it's easier". Not the same situation you're in as you can't get a turbo UP but the amount of work is enormous!
god, remember the guys who would go to the effort to AWD Turbo convert their Eclipse Spyders? absolute dinguses every single time lmao
@@Troggie42 Bro, how much work do you think it would be to convert from an AT to a MT. I already bought the MT but I've never done this before. LOLOL.
The VW Up GTI has a 1 litre, three cylinder, turbo charged engine though?
@@24k__J Agreed, the 1.0 TSI already has sodium filled valves on the GTI, there's not much headroom on them imo. 1.8t is a lot better for big power!
For soldering, you will get a much better connection if you apply the iron to the workpiece, and then the solder to the workpiece. Applying solder to the iron and letting it drip on the wire like that will result in fragile cold solder joints. You could also add a Western Union splice for a super strong mechanical connection.
You may already know all this, but if not, I hope it helps:
There are two PR codes regarding Up gearboxes.
PR-0EA: MQ100 5-speed found in the non-TSi Up. Reverse gear is right and down.
PR-0EM: MQ200 5 and 6 speed found in the TSi and GTi Up.
Reverse gear is left and up.
To fit an MQ200 box to an Up that came with an MQ100, you would need:
Selector mechanism: 1S0 711 049 A
Relay lever: 1S0 711 202 B
Front gearshift lever: 1S0 711 046 B
And if you didn't get the Up GTi gearknob: 1S0 711 113 ACNVL
The engine and gearbox mounts also appear to be different, so let me know if you need those codes.
Speaking of dash pad removal, from 1982 to 1986 I worked at a GM dealership parts and service department as assistant Service Manager and Service Writer. A customers dash pad was faulty and had to be replaced, not a favor task for the technicians. Could not get one to complete commit to the project, so I in-between all my other duties attempted to complete the task. Several technicians offered help but always left for more profitable work orders. It took me a week to finish the task, the customer was very gracious and patient. The reason behind the unwillingness tocimmit to the task was of course, money. In case you don't know warranty repairs are notoriously under estimated by the manufacturer, no diagnostic time is included and the technicians they use to perform tasks have all needed tools set out for them, parts to replace waiting at hand and they are told the specific task to be done. The estimated time for a repair is determined by the time used by the test situations. Third party labor used a more real life based system. The result is that the pay rate for the technicians can be half or less of the actual time to correct handle the repair. Yea it's follow the money!
So i might be wrong about this, but the cluster you got didnt look like a gti one, nor did the engine cover + the gti is supposed to come with a 6 speed.
What i think happened it that you got a up tsi engine, which was also an option allthough they never sold a lot of them. Possibly it also only has 95HP instead of 115.. i'm not sure but it might be worth looking into it
That is what I was thinking too.
me too@@tiredtrailer
bump
Got ripped off
Ooof what a bummer that would be, for them and us viewers 😅
Whenever I’m down and unmotivated I just pop on some Mighty Car Mods and I’m back UP!😜
yeah, seriously, whats UP! with that?
Same. MCM got me through some nas times the last couple years. Been an amputee since 05. Lost jakf that foot in the second one.
Ended up a double a touch over 2 years ago. Above the knee. The guys kept me laughing, instead of crying, and their projects inspired me to keep going.
And Moog's video was the motivation to get the 650 out, and get back on the steeet again.
Deez nutz are back UP! 👉😎👉
If yall are into the posters, I bought one ages ago and it's AMAZING quality. Love the design and years later it's still held up phenomenally
What size frame fits the poster?
6C/R Polo 5 speed linkages would fit as it’s the same gearbox, you could even use the 6 speed box too, if the Polo is sold down there.
Was also about to suggest this 👍🏻
This engine was in so many VW products, even my grannies Golf 7 has this engine with the 6 speed. Probably easy to source, I think they are the same. The golf revs slower at the same speed as my Up GTI but that is probably due to the smaller wheels on the Up.
Please please please please please get the 6-speed. I have driven a lot of up!'s from 60hp NA to the 90hp turbo to the GTI and power-wise the TSI and GTI are not far apart. What really sets the GTI off is the close-range 6-speed compared to the suuuuper long economy gears of the TSI and lower-end models. It alone is the reason I absolutely fell in love with the platform and I constantly think of buying one as a little track car.
I have the GTI and for the track I'd recommend the 90hp version tuned to GTI spec or higher. Probably cheaper than the GTI, I love mine but I still feel like I overpaid...
Only real difference would be the exhaust valves, the 115hp version of the 1.0 gets sodium filled exhaust valves to manage heat. It also gets a particulate filter but for track use you'd rip that out anyway lol. Plus the 5 speed can handle more power than the 6 speed iirc.
These are all the reasons why we didn’t do the same on ours.
It was actually easier to put the 1.8L turbo engine in. The subframe swapped straight in so we got 5 stud conversion at the same time and better suspension with disk rotors all round no more drums.
Can’t wait to see this one finish tho, we need a race ❤
I will still win in my wagon haha
@@Grocerygetter97 probs 🤣🤣
who ever the wreckers you used were pretty friggin thorough, i know you talk about it but hope you gave em their props as well. love that you guys work on stuff alot of us in the states dont see or know. great job as always
I'm in the UK and they are not all like this, I wish I knew who they went to as I am after a VW engine.
@@MrMegamonstaon one of the previous Up! vids they did link the wrecker company in the description
It looks like this might be a TSI engine/loom etc. If so, meticulously labeling everything as "UP! GTI" is a psycho move
this is definitely one of the conversions of all time.
It’s certainly something.
Yeah it's up there
I loved when they converted all over the place and yelled its CONVERTING TIME
You should see ours. We did the golf motor, fit straight in the UP 😎
Or when he snapped his fingers and said "you're converted" and then half of everything was instantly converted. One of the all time moments. 🤌🤌
Never clicked so fast in my life.
Said the Predator
Not even for porn
@@covingtonrace1 I don't have notifications on for that stuff buddy.
Using other languages in your sentences reminds me of the most polite PD teacher I met in school. Unfortunately, his soul may rest but just a random small thing as using other languages, even if it's 1 word in the sentence, to show diversity and friendship amongst others. I know it may be random from a viewer from down under to make such a comment here but, it meant a lot to me. TY you put out genuine interesting videos I love to watch. Keep up the great works and any worries you guys have are covered by the viewership and community you have made. Thanks to all for getting these men to where they are today!!
Sounds like someone’s pulled a fast one with the 6 speed, it’s not accidental.
Someone said the engine cover didn't look right too. He said that this looks like a TSI kit and NOT a GTI kit...
@@robwaters8848 swear the up GTI has a 1L TSI Engine?
It’s not only the firsts up! GTI in Australia.
It’s also the first pre facelift GTI and even the first pre facelift up! with a TSI engine… in the world.
Nice job boys 😍👍
So it's a TSI engine and not a GTI engine? So this isn't actually a GTI conversion? What's actually going on here? 😢
Sam is becoming one of my favorite guests on the show, I like his demeanor, seems like a nice guy
Had an up for several times as a workshop replacement while my Golf was there for inspection. The workshow often started the talk with "we are sorry, we only have a VW Up! for you" and my reply always was "I am very happy to get one". I really enjoyed every minute driving this gokart-like small whirlwind. Even as an N/A it is a blast. And the 3-cylinder sounds a bit like a Porsche boxer engine. The Up! is a really good car and it's a shame Volkswagen dumped it these days only for price reasons.
Engine swap.... 👀
The lads are smuggling in a disassembled GTi and rebuilding it 😂
Amazing work and dedication 💪
Get a poly bush for the engine mount. Makes a massive difference to the gearbox feel and performance
Yeah I use these for detailing
I think one of the most satisfying parts of an engine swap is the opportunity to blast out the bay. I love you guys from the heart of my bottom, I really do, but everytime you engine out a car and skip giving the bay a good scrub my brain has tiny little thunderstorms.
Love it how you show the issues aswell as the successes thanks dude
Just bought the poster. Thanks for doing what you do. You guys rock!
Right on time, just as I was looking for something to watch. Thanks gents 🙂
I've been pumped UP for this video all week!!
Finally grabbed a poster! It's always so hard to pass one up, but this is the one for me. Not only is a Subaru engine - it's also the first MCM video I ever saw and I've been hooked ever since. Thank ya'll for quality content and caring about us the viewers! You guys are goated ;) BAAHHHH!
Ive been feeling absolutely shit today. I cheered up when I saw not only more Up! GTI stuff but there's more of you guys with Donut! Cheers for everything you do guys
I had an up for a number of years, it was the best car I've ever owned hands down, it coped an absolute hiding and took it on the chin every time. NEVER let me down. It was so low I couldn't get over the joining plates on the roof of shopping centres. And scrapped alot. I sold it for a Turbo Forester and still to this day wish I'd never sold it. I had planned to turbo/import a GTI Engine. Would own another in a heartbeat if I had the chance.
Love these types of videos you do! What an absolute nugget! ✌
LOVE THIS!! The UP! and in white with the black is my favourite version and the first i ever saw in real life when it was launched. Lovin this build. I'm from the U.K and hardly ever see an UP GTI but it's a want car on my list.
Props to that wrecker yard you got the parts from! I don't get brand new parts that cared for!
Always check out your videos mates and just saw you in Donuts video of Real Mechanic Stuff and it was hilarious as always you guys are bloody legends ! Cant wait to see the Up GTI Moog and wanna see what Martys got to compete with it now !
The most wholesome and most enjoyable car channels on here :)
Just a heads up (get it?), there is a facelift version of the up, which I think your gti parts are- and the bumper support bar is different- the tow eye is in a different place. It looks like you’ve used the facelift support which might not align with the tow eye on your bumper cover. Probs not a massive issue but might flag up in scrutineering when at the track!
Okay. The zip tie mention got me thinking about something. Strangest thing you have ever used on to field fix.
My old one qas, a laceration. Hog hunt. Buddy caught a slicer, deciding to check the pig a bit too soon, snd it swiped used it's tusks.
Hour to the truck, and another to the closest ER. Zipped it, walked out, my shirt wrapped around it. Field dressing at the truck, and get treatment.
Then. Last Tuesday said, hold my beer.
Unlocking tab snapped off the socket of my prosthetic, 20 miles from civilization. Can't ride with your knee locked straight.
Socket and knee have a ghud ring setup. Just big enough for a small zip tie to fit. Pulled one out of my jacket's vent mesh, inserted, and set it.
Still holding, but I need to replace the slider for the lock. Unlocked knee on uneven ground, added to comprpmised balance, on an uneven surface Is a fall waiting to happen.
See my prosthetist next friday.
And no. I wasn't on an ATV. Was riding my 1977 YZ 125, 2 stroke. Wife had the Suzuki SP 400. Set 2 as my goal the day after my trans femoral of the right leg.
Like with Moog's recent sucess at his first major competition, I knew the easy way. No sweat. Almost anyone can ride a trike.
I set the one most people I know said can't be done. Because even I had doubts.
For me that is a motivater. The ones that matter had faith in me. So did I. I didn't think I can.
I Knew I Will.
I'd love to hear y'alls.
In Brazil they had the Up with the 1.0 TSI engine with a 5 a speed box, might be worth checking!
UP the creek! No bits available. Excellent build, Moog. Keep 'em coming.
Ohh......got myself one of the posters to add to the other 2 I have 🤙🏿 Love your work dudes, keep it up
Got my Poster ordered. Good on ya guys!
I remember the miss daisey build, been a viewer since day one. Miss daisey is special as it was the start of many epic builds ❤️
It was miss daisy that got me watching you guys 8 years ago! Keep up the amazing work
No, YOU keep up the amazing work and never lose that amazing spirit. You're one of a kind and the moment you were born was the moment this world immediately became a better place. Much love 🫶
Loving the UP! big big thumbs UP from the UK!
I can't wait to see it drive. i love my own up gti got 151hp 270nm. only thing i worry about is the frontbumper fitment * keep up the good work and cant wait for next episode👌
I once had a friend who replaced the taillights on his Golf r32 with led ones. That made the car go in to limp mode, and the four wheel drive stopped working, because he replaced the rear lights.. VW simplicity my male donkey. I had to help him solder resistors onto the cabling to trick the ECU into thinking it still had regular lights on the back.
Good work pulling through though boyos. Love the UP GTI. I've personally wanted the Lupo GTI for years. Sadly they're even more rare than the UP one.
I think a lot of what makes this car fun, is that its light and basic, with decent handling.
Tiny lightweight nuggets are the cheapest and best way to have fun in a car, I reckon. I want to get involved with that Hyundai Excel racing class, that looks like it would be mint!
i would prefer a starlet over an up any day of the week.
@@99Lezard99 As the ex owner of a P9 starlet and the now owner of an Up GTI, just the feel of the gearshift compared to the toyota cable crap is worth getting the Up for.
@@donotatme agree on the shifter. the p9 cable shifter defenetly isnt Toyotas best efford. but a vw shifter also isnt the best feeling thing on the market. they are also pretty plasticy and / or rubbery feeling.
other then that the rev hang on the up is pretty far up there with the worst ive driven. old cable throttle cars just dont have this artificial feeling throttle.
@@99Lezard99 Of course, it's not a sublime honda gearshift, but it's an UPgrade at least ;D
And I partially agree on the rev hang, the worst I've seen was in modern subarus. Throttle cable rules tho!
it's tingling in my fingers to add additional soundproofing and respray the interior while you got the chance in this insane rebuild :D
'It's one of those things that.....' the whole car!! Amazing work and commitment
Love this content ! Hopefully you can source the parts needed to finish this build. Anyway, we're here for it !
Love the openness on this project boys
Stoked for this episode
Just finished Marty's video from MCM 2 earlier. So, happy for two videos in one day.❤ 1:01
Cant wait for this project to be done. Wonder what the future will hold UP!
At one point in time Car and Driver tried turning a Mazda 5 into a Mazdaspeed 5, which if memory serves went about the same as this Up project is, including the full disassembly of the car to replace the wiring loom. I can't wait to see how this turns out!
Reminds me of the one BMW project I've done past an E36, BMW tech wise. E91 Wagon that we only got as 328i's converted to a 335i by swapping over a Sedan. And by that I do basically mean the entire sedan was required to be swapped over. We ended up stripping them down to nothing and basically just swapping out everything possible over from the donor.
The only bimmer I have left is an E31 roller I swapped a Toyota 1UZ + procharger into. That's probably the most reliable BMW I'll ever own and will probably be the last BMW I'll own too.
Still can't believe I'm seeing a VW up on MCM. I have an UP TSI and it's cool seeing a car you own get modified.
15:31 I think thats what its all about! Alot of people will say that to a specific car, which seems nothing special on the outside. But sometimes it isnt about the fastet or greatest. Its about what you enjoy! Nobody will see 100 or 1000s of hours sunk into a build as you doing it yourself.
Hello from Israel, you pass my time while I am in the shelter, you are amazing!
Those wreckers in the UK keep surprising me week after week. What a great job they did. 👏
So excited to see this little beast ripping it around the track 🤍
Another great video can’t believe how something so easy turns into something hard.
I'm so excited for this project. I love the Up! GTI, one of the few cars I considered to replace my Fiesta ST (I still have it). I hope you end up with the proper 6 speed box, the gearing will make it that much more fun to drive.
What generation ST do you have? I have an Up GTI and to the newer STs especially, it would be quite the power downgrade I think :D
Lovely new ep thanks
The marriage of body to engine is always a good point in a build. 👍👍
I really like the hands on approach and just get in there and have a go.
Double MCM today! Watched you guys on Doughnut media then this was up! 😎
Waiting on the poster now, thanks
Tremendous work fella's.
Thanks for making my day a little better every time you guys post a video.
Thank Allah bless you and your family 👪
As someone who’s been with MCM since the Golf IV of Moogs GF, and now about to Abarth-swap his Fiat Panda, I very much appreciate this series.
The 20v 1.8t powerplant would be killer in the Up Gti💥...loving the series 🙌looking forward to ep4
I've got a 2016 turbo VW Up, 90hp stock (CHZA engine) with a 5-spd transmission, ECU tuned to about 130hp. It would have been easiest to just buy one of those engines from Europe and swap it in. The GTI has the CHZD engine with a 6-spd. The real differences are a slightly diff turbo, GPF (gasoline particulate filter), sodium filled exhaust valves for better cooling, and more heat resistant steel turbo housing. The GTI engine however has GPF problems and the 6-spd is less durable. The biggest problem with this car is the lack of cooling at higher power levels, the small intercooler is integrated into the intake.
As a GTI owner, wholeheartedly agree!
As most of you know the VW UP! platform Is manufactured at the Bratislava factory in Slovakia.
Along side with the models on the shared SUV platform VW Touareg, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne, Bentley Bentayga Lamborghini Urus etc.
After my years of working for the vag group I must say in my opinion that what comes from that factory is the high mark of quality when it comes to vag cars. Especially the UP/Citigo/Mii platsform is brilliant in quality!
This is awesome!!!
Put in the Golf 6 GTI Steering wheel and head unit, I’ve seen people do it here in South Africa, it looks freaking awesome.
From the day u get your hands on that Up,as a Seat Mii owner I got really interested to see how it ends and maybe try something I learn from it into my future project (1.2 tsi 105hp). Cheers on that Up guys!
Sipping my coffee from my mcm mug and wondering whether you went 5 or 6 speed. Can't wait to see the progress here. This is a next level nugget build.
Gutting... Nothing good comes easy though! Excited to see this Up come together!
Hey viel Glück 🍀 I can assure it‘s more than worth all of this work!!! Many greetings from an UP GTI driver from germany 🥳🍀👍
Same here! Have you done any mods to yours? Especially wheels and tires is what I am seeking advice for, since it doesn't look like you can get anything decent in 195/40 R17 and the stock Goodyears SUCK imo.
I work at a dealer and happy to help narrowing down some part numbers!
gotta shoutout the wrecker you bought all this stuff from, all the extra little things they did is totally next level from what i'd expect from a wrecker
Thank you very much, MightyCarMods, for bringing us this fantastic new MightyCarMods video!
vw wiring really changed about the time the mk4 cars came out. mk3 and prior had about 8 small wiring looms that all spiderwebbed out from the fuse box under the dash. all the fuse panels were identical, and they would just put the loom in place that matched the options your car had, such as the headlight loom that also has fog lights. things for modding and building really went downhill during the mk4 era. thats why ill stick with my 90s models as the newest cars ill ever own.
also in a vw, brown is ALWAYS a ground, the color of dirt.
Love the up! I’m in Scotland and even a gti with a remap is so much fun!
Crazy mod, great work
There's a minter of a Mk1 Golf Gti for sale in Sydney currently. Would be awesome to see this go up against its spiritual successor once complete! Loving the build, keep up the incredible work boys ✌️
It’s nice to see a build done for the passion of it and not just because it’s easy.
This is pretty cool to watch as i used to own a Skoda Citigo Sport.
I had the UP TSI and they map pretty much the same as the GTI, obviously main things are the gearbox brakes, (I was told fuel pump is different too by my tuner) I stage 3 my UP TSI and got to 180bhp
Forge Motorsport intake and BOV
RACING Line Turbo Elbow
Full Milltek turbo back exhaust
Hybrid turbo
Fitted APR coil packs too
I honestly felt stage 1 was best for me, stage 3 was mapped so the boost builds (so got a bit of lag) stage 1 was so much more fun but didn’t have that top end boost it had at stage 3,
I’d definitely recommend fitting the bigger GTI brakes if you ain’t done that already as my brakes got hot quickly, I had EBC brakes and pads fitted too, you Will definitely have loads of fun, also shock a good few cars on the road, cannot wait to see the build, highly recommend JBS in the UK for advice too as they are the go too guys in the UP for these 👌🏼✌🏼
Check the engine code. You might just have a tsi 90 engine.
Poster ordered! Love Miss Daisy.
I think all the UPs here have been broken. RIP all.
Comparing MCM back to the "I've had someone build a Lotus that was shite" days, this is so wonderful.
small cars with boosted engines are the best, got a fiesta st with a hybrid turbo, it's so much fun for what it costs, seeing this up project is really awesome, really wanna see that thing make happy turbo noises
Gotta love these 'drop out - drop in' projects. So easy! lol
Oo, soldering iron setup looks promising. :) (Ryobi did OK sponsoring you guys, I got a little assortment of their stuff by now. :) )
(Also if you ever did have to pick between that and the 180, prolly remember the 180's a lifelong thing for you and other affections may pass. :) )
Snagged one of those posters AND some air fresheners hope to get it soon
Great video chaps