Do Newcastle still have faith in Howe?
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- Newcastle United’s season has been very disappointing for both the fans and the board. Is this down to injures and lack of squad depth? Or does the blame rest mainly on Eddie Howe's shoulders?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's ‘Pod On The Tyne’ regulars George Caulkin and Jacob Whitehead to break down where it has gone wrong for The Magpies this season.
The panel discuss Howe’s huge injury problems, as well as the potential landscape of the club without Dan Ashworth.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:08 Do Newcastle fans have faith in Howe?
00:02:34 Did Newcastle over achieve last year?
00:03:30 Fan frustration
00:06:50 This season's positives & negatives
00:13:04 How has Eddie Howe performed?
00:18:23 Youth academy reinforcements
00:21:13 The landscape without Ashworth
00:23:45 Spurs v Newcastle in Australia
00:25:50 Why Newcastle need this friendly
00:26:45 Bruno Guimarães & selling players
00:30:46 Final comments
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I could listen to George Caulkin all day. Definitely one of The Athletic's finest contributors.
He says “you know” far too often.
Howe is a very good coach and I like him a lot, but his management style just isn't conducive to the squad overhaul which is needed in a 'project' like this. Howe sees the best in bang average players because he's a coach, and he has faith that he can bring the best out of them, but top managers know when to sell and upgrade. If we want to compete long-term Longstaff, Almiron, Murphy, Targett, Burn, Wilson, Lascelles, Pope etc. should all be sold for FFP purposes and replaced over the next 2 or 3 seasons, but when he's had the opportunity to let players go he hasn't and therefore the 'project' won't move at the pace it should with him in charge. He did unbelievably to get CL but that should've been a launch pad, and it wasn't because of his reluctance to sell players.
Excellent Pod Ayo, George, Jacob
Its good problems for #NUFC we r moving to the right direction. I'm with Eddie Howe all the way till the end, he is exactly the type of football manager Ive been waiting for to manage our team #HWTL
Is slipping down the league (going in the right direction) I think you need to give your head a wobble.
@@billmoore7137 So you would have sacked Arteta and Klopp then for their dip in form last season due to injuries? Both cooking on gas this season. Ya melon...
@@JulieDorsetBelle Howe isn’t in the same league as klopp and arteta ya numpty
Look at what happened in the final months at Bournemouth after Eddie over-achieved for them. History repeating itself
Aye, it's almost as if him saving Bournemouth from relegation out of the football league despite a 17 point deduction, followed by successive promotions all the way to the PL never happened at all. He's still hugely respected in Bournemouth. Unlike many Newcastle fans, they don't have short memories.
Newcastle still suffering from years of non investment by Ashley, while other teams can resort on good quality youth to back up the first squad when they have injuries, Newcastle have noting. Miles is an exception.
Yeah - I was walking down Westgate Hill the other day and a pigeon crapped on my sleeve!
Fucking Ashley!
@@robbrown6495pigeon had Lonsdale trainees on tbf
@robbrown6495 such a simpleton way of thinking. You can manage sarcasm though, well done.
Which other teams rely on their youth? Almost no team does that.
Yes we still have faith. Last year we didn’t so much as over achieve as Liverpool, Spurs and Villa underachieved. You can’t legislate for the injuries we have had and the Tonali situation. It’s not just been usual injuries, it’s been every player, significant amounts of time. Eddie deserves a proper chance once the squad is fit again.
Except you can legislate to prevent a player playing 2 games with a damaged ACL then him doing it again a few months later and requiring the surgery he should of had in September.
@@rossmcfarlane1219 give over armchair expert, club consulted multiple doctors, you should respect the decision. Hindsight is 20-20.
You're right, the lads looked a million dollars since he came back.
@@rossmcfarlane1219add it to the list, we could all see he wasn’t right. Even Eddie dropped him because of injury then brought his back for city.
He’s so far out of his depth it’s unbelievable
@@rossmcfarlane1219 The player that admitted himself that he did not know he had damaged it and played those two extra games - so how do you expect the medical team to know!!!
Newcsstle need a manager that can attract world class player...im pretty sure Bruno and Isak come because they expect Newcastle to become the next City in a few season not because of Eddie Howe.
Ah well, since you, a random nobody, is 'pretty sure' it must be true
The only thing that can be said with certainty is that our recent form has exposed the cracks in our support. There is a minority of fans with unrealistic expectations of the toon and it's always been that way. I remember the section of fans calling for Sir Bobby's head, succesfully. Probably the same fans who hero worship him now and claim he was our best manager ever. Goldfish bowl, the toon and we're at risk of players wanting to leave given how quick we are to turn on the team. Support you evermore and loyalist supporters are the biggest lies we tell ourselves as a fanbase. That was true once upon a time but sadly some have very little patience.
Nonsense and lazy, try thinking for yourself.
Those of us that have serious doubts in the management, coaching and medical staff have very good reason.
It’s not about league position… which is all you’re looking at. It’s the countless obvious errors, hanging players out to dry, zero game management, playing players not only out of form but injured.Botman the latest on the list.
I watch the game very closely and and formed my opinion on Eddie on the details. Not lazy opinions like remember where we were
Crikey, you swallowed it all didn’t you? That cliché media narrative.
What are you actually talking about. I’m still behind Howe but he’s had a disastrous season decision wise.
1. Going all out naively against AC and going out of europe all together
2. Playing trippier when he wasn’t mentally at it, and costing us results
3. Playing Burn at left back and again costing us several results
4. Not rotating early season when he could, then bang the worst injury crisis ever
5. Bringing players back from injury soon or playing actual injured players. E.g Botman, Longstaff, Isak, Willock, Wilson, Joelinton
As i say i’m behind Howe for now, but not sure i have faith in him long term anymore
@badofcheese nar.
@@Unclebuzzcocksne he’s been massively found out this season and those doubts you have a justified.
There is a deluded cult that can’t see anything negative
Great discussion, thanks 👍
And now Botman is out for 9 months
Six to nine months.
The silver lining is that this shadow of Sven that we’ve seen lately has clearly been because of injuries.
@@geordiedog1749Yet Howe played him knowing that he was injured and he is still playing Longstaff knowing that he is injured.
@davman115 bore off with your witch hunting. Botman said in an interview that it was HIS choice to play, not the manager's. He made himself available and the medical advice was very much in line with current recommendations for the type of ACL injury he had at the time. Unfortunately injuries don't always respond in the way we'd like them to. That's just bad luck. Pointless trying to blame the manager but I suppose if you have an agenda it's an easy and lazy thing to do.
It would be a huge mistake to let Howe go 🤦🏻♂️
Huge mistake to keep him.
What about this season's results suggests we need to keep him?
Exactly
Howe out
@@robbrown6495 So you would have sacked Arteta and Klopp then for their dip in form last season due to injuries? Both cooking on gas this season. Ya melon...
@@JulieDorsetBelle We've had roughly the same injuries we had last year, and have the same players. How do you explain our dip in form?
If Howe had won 13 major trophies like Klopp, or even just an FA Cup, and a Community Shield, like Arteta (who's only been managing for 4 years) you might have a point ...... however.........
The amount of armchair ‘experts’ on here criticising the pros is laughable.
Press are being unbelievably soft on Howe compared to Ten Hag, both have massive amounts of injuries/suspensions.
Yes Newcastle have had way more injuries than Utd started with a smaller squad and have about a third of their wage bill. Only 2 points behind and still could finish above them. So I can see why pressure is more on ETH.
Newcastle have the record for number of injuries in the league. Manchester United don’t. Newcastle have a team still widely comprised of Steve Bruce championship players. Manchester United have spent over a billion on players. Newcastle narrowly went out of the champions league in a group with Milan, Dortmund and PSG. Manchester United had Copenhagen. Newcastle are 6th, Manchester United are 7th. Hope this helps.
What’s the good of all that oil money if you can’t spend it?
Not even watching the video. Just came here to answer the title of this video. Yes, we do. Bye.
Just like you've probably never been to a match
@@Rintrah85 Went to the Liverpool game earlier this season but okay.
Struck gold with eddie
It’s not about faith. It’s about his ability. In my opinion, Howe has done brilliantly, but, he is not the one to take us forward, if we want success in then next few years, then he needs to be thanked for his efforts moved on. If we are happy being mid-table and take small steps, then keep him, but with the knowledge that he has a level, and regular top 4 place will be out of out reach
And which manager given all the injuries and ffp constraints might do better and want to come? Emery turned the job down. I wonder which elite manager wants to come to Newcastle at the moment….
💯, this might be the most important window in the clubs history. We can’t waste it with Eddie unfortunately
@@tomruddell9099 it will be interesting to see if the owners share your opinion and following whatever choice they make to see how things are in a years time. Managers are frequently have unrealistic expectations placed on them. ‘Richest club in the world’ - but can’t spend. If Eddie is aware of the negativity I hope he has enough self-belief to keep going. I believe in him and appreciate the way he conducts himself, the way he shields his players from the negativity, and the vision he has. He shows real commitment to the fans, the club and he is an English manager. How do you know what ‘level’ he has? And what b******t that regular top 4 is out of reach when we got there first year!!! He may very well be our ‘Alex Ferguson’ - personally I’m happy with him being our Eddie Howe…give him more time and much more positive support!!!
cArNt tAkE Us 2 dA nXt lEvEL.
Write some turd about “plan b”, “history repeating”, “loyalty”, “favourites” and “can’t organise a defence”. Please. I really get off on people vomming up all the things they’ve read lobotomy patients shart out on Twitter.
@@grahamskilling2147they’d be jumping at the chance now man. Wolves got a former Real Madrid manager in a relegation battle 😂
Some great points .Eddie deserves our Support.🌑⚽️
I don't know how I fell about Howe now. With a fit squad we look tremendous. Without it, Howe has not been pragmatic and weve shipped goals and confidence due to his unwavering desire to play his preferred sustem and tactic regardless of personnel.
Keep Eddie for another year or move him on and reshape the squad in rhe summer.
Howe hasn't been pragmatic enough but he deserves more time
Of course we do. No brainer. The injury crisis has shown just how good a manager he is.
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PIF need to sack the Newcastle medical team and replace them with the equivalent of their bulletproof legal team😂
Its just a bit of a concerning time to be a newcastle united fan. Last season was such a high, and this season has been a real blow to the confidence. People can talk around it all you want but the facts are…
1. Confidence in eddie howe has been shaken
2. Dan ashworth left us for a competitor
3. Talks are sparking about our best players leaving including bruno and trippier
4. Some of our best players like botman have looked a shell of themselves since coming back from injury
It all leaves you wondering what the future holds exactly! We could see next season start without two of our best players, with a new manager, and a new sporting director. Add to that the fact that weve reached somewhat of a ffp cap which means we dont even have much to spend.
Also people hype up miley too much. Hes decent but hes a kid and not anywhere near good enough to compete with real top of the line midfielders. Tino on the other hand is the real deal right now.
What George is saying is what what I feel as a West Ham fan. And there weren't even a takeover to warrant for such rise in expectation.
For some of us the doubts and trust in Howe has come not from where we are in the league, but from what was in our control that weve messed up, not what wasnt in our control. Rushing too many players back from bad injuries is totally in our control and poor management, having no tactical plan B to get through key games, not using what subs we have to protect the fitness and fatigue of the small group of players we do have, weve dropped enough points against bottom 6 clubs to be in top 4, and been picked apart in big games tactically too easy. If last season everyone was saying Howe was lucky because we had so few injuries he cant suddenly get a free pass now because of some injuries managing those injuries is whats been missing. The signings in the summer were pants we spent 70m on full backs when our strikers barely manage to play 25 games each. Theres been some proper pr own goals as well like celebrating Tonali learning english whilst banned, isnt he paid 150k a week to do that anyway whilst playing. Howes got 10 games to show he has a plan and that last season wasnt just a fluke. No one wants him gone for rhe sake of it, but he needs to step up and prove his mettle while times are tough and just stop making rookie mistakes week after week this isnt his first managment role is it
Love the podcast but very disappointed in the myopic and local bias about the Australian trip. Yes the timing is poor, but the EPL doesn’t have the biggest TV revenue, best players and nowadays increasingly coaches because it thinks and acts with an English only hat on. I am a massive Australian NewU fan, and having them play over here even with a 2nd rate squad will be a big deal for many thousands who have watched EPL in the middle of the night for decades. Think about how big (the better planned) US trip was for the club and its supporters (both Newcastle and US) last summer getting together. Shame on you Athletic for what was otherwise a very well balanced and informative Newcastle United update. Regards CB. ps. Perhaps Newcastle are buying an A-League club as part of a multi club model like Man City etc. would that make you feel any better about the trip?
I think reality has kicked in for me this season, not just in the quality of our squad (or lack thereof) but the enormity of our ffp restrictions has come as a shock to me. I naively thought that every summer we’d be able to spank £100-120m net spend in the window. And yet now with on 2 summer windows since the takeover we are looking at having to sell our best players this summer to balance the books! Add to that the apparent mismanagement/diagnosis of injured players this season has really meant i’ve had to pump the brakes in a big way on my expectations for the next few years.
@@adeolaolubode396 Rodgers? Seriously? And Poch is doing well isn’t he….just remind me how much Chelsea have been able to spend and how much Newcastle have.
@@adeolaolubode396 Developing a club like Bournemouth and taking them from league 2 to the premier league type of manager! Aye! - plus Howe was never a short term fix...
@@adeolaolubode396 That's an interesting point of view my friend but poch & rogers are hardly pulling up trees at the current clubs. But i do agree a overall fanancial strategy at suit level has been very poor.
@@JulieDorsetBelle I agree julie. I never saw eddie as a quick fix & i still think he's the right man for the job. We are not going to be able to sign superstars so we need a manager that can take = good players & make them better. I don't think there are many managers out there better at that than eddie howe. Howay the lads.
Yea, absolutely 💯
"I think Dan Burn was playing in that position (left back) a few times".... does the host not actually watch football or is he just not good with his words when he's chuckling away? Burn has been first choice left back since joining the club. He hasn't been limited to playing there "a few times", try about 65 of his 77 appearances at left back
newcastle grew on the pitch with the first eleven,the club off the pitch as quick the income hasnt grew as quick as the first team, now we have injuries we havent got the squad to maintain the results we were getting and ffp has stopped us buying, its not Eddie Howes fault he can only work with what he has
Agreed, I’d actually argue they overachieved so much last season and they’re where they should be now with the squad they have. Yes the first XI is 6-8 good but if you lose 3 or 4 from it then it isn’t even top half good.
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Only a min or two in but wow Jacob looks happy to be there🙄😂😂
We should persist with Eddie! We can’t lose patience but we are on Isak and Bruno’s time. They won’t want to waste their prime in the mid table struggle. We must get Europe and buy a few more players- we are too thin and our cup side still has players that should be on the fringes like dummett, ritchie, etc. I like Murphy and I like almiron but if they are over 27 and won’t be starting calibre for where we want to be they should be sold or relegated to rotation players.
With a fit squad we look great - but that squad WILL NOT LAST the whole season...so is he really a decent manager, or is he just over working the team and paying for it later on in the season/the next few years? I think it's the latter at this point - he seems absolutely fine using up our players and chucking them on the scrap heap when they get injured...Top managers don't need to do that - bring back Rafa! Or get Mourinho in. Howe's allowed to change by all means but I don't think he will. Players won't come if they know they'll be getting ran into the ICU.
Exactly, Howe did the same at Bournemouth, ran players into the ground, had a massive injury list and they eventually got relegated, this seems to get ignored by the happy clappers even though history is now repeating itself with Howe doing exactly the same at Newcastle
Aye, bring Rafa back because he's done such a stellar job in his career post-toon hasn't he? Same thing for Mou. By your logic players would never go to Liverpool either, or Man U, or any of the other clubs ravaged by injuries this season.
@@cage94123567890 if they could go real madrid or one of those clubs in the prem that will get them injured - they'll go madrid. Like Bruno - he always huffs and pufs getting played as a number 8, he doesn't want to run himself to death. As did Maxi - would rather play in a mickey mouse league and hope to come back one day than get his legs savaged by hamstring problems. arguably two of our best ever players jumping ship. i don't know if they'd choose man ure or whoever if they also get injured - but they'd definitely try to avoid us and go spain/italy/france. their careers would last longer, and there's less risk of life changing injury.
Did Caulkin really just say that he disagreed that it was a good thing that Newcastle were out of the cups, then go on to explain why it was a good thing that Newcastle were out of the cups?
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Lads, unless you come from Newcastle, you have NO clue what faith in Newcastle is all about...
We absolutely LIVE the game up here and the faith in our team will NEVER wain...
Believe it...!
Southampton beat City last season
Man utd beat Liverpool this season
People that stick up for Eddie with all the we had to beat all the best team nonsense need to look at the way we've been playing since December, its been Pub standard at times absolutely shocking... Howe out after west ham game 100%
Balls
No one knows. As none of them speak to MBS.
George talks a lot of sense.
Eddie has had massive restrictions placed on him and there's not a manager in world football could have done any better in my view.
Simple answer, yes.
Only so many games of Bruce ball I can endure. Would be so so foolish to hand him the power in the transfer window. You know he’ll waste it on bang average players who are british
Newcastle are defo finishing no higher than 9th !
I saw Amanda Staveley in Docklands today. On the phone to Inzagi, she was.
a mou new castle sounds big...
Imagine having to get past the best teams to win a cup.
some teams get easy run ins...
A comment from the valley of ignorance
@matthe"valley of ignorance". Stop it . wwoodward8805
@@matthewwoodward8805 yeah tbf you rarely have to beat anyone decent to win a trophy
Not have much money to spend ? ADIDAS, SELA, Champions League money, TV money, league money. There’s nearly £100 million before we sell anyone.
in the summer yes we can spend big but not in Jan
The only buyer for Botman is medical research right now.
Howe and his philosophy aren’t good enough to permeate into the youth.
The philosophy is flawed. Also, it’s not as impressive as some suggest to outwork other teams with a new £200m spine playing once a week. Especially given the mitigation of traditional top 6 clubs being awful
Botman = pure negligence . Buck stops with Howe
Newcastle got the bends after last season.
Did he just compare Messi not playing with Gordon not playing? Lol As if anyone will care.
Eddie has made huge mistakes this season over and over again, showing at the moment that he does not seem to have the ability to adapt to difficult situations.
Mr.Howe Still acts and thinks as if hé is still at Bournemouth.He hasnt the stature to leader one of thé wealthiest clubsin Europe.Why are the fans so l'entente with him?
NO there is no excuse to play players who have injuries
Newcastle overachieved in a big way last year, now they have trended closer to where they should be at as a club and its all “Howe isn’t good enough”, “we should be competing at the top”. It’s just typical fickle football fan responses.
Do Newcastle have faith in Howe.As a fan who follows the team home and away I can tell you categorically not especially after the Sven B debacle he is out of his depth and is making mistakes monumental ones @ that…and the fans who saluted after that. City game shame on them.Darren Eales needs to be replaced he’s not fot for purpose his statement in January prove that and the medical team their P45s should be in the post today
Botman said himself it was his decision to play. He seen several medical experts about his knee and based his decision on that. Nothing to do with Eddie Howe so put down your pitch fork.
I’m not sure the Tonali situation was hard to predict. When you do your due diligence on his character, surely it would have been identified that he was a degenerate gambler?
Howe OUT!!
Jose mourinho !!!!!
Newcastle need mentality.
Jose mourinho with unlimited money and unlimited supports (board n supporters) is worisome for the other top6 team
Shaking in my boots......not.
What unlimited money?! their hands are tied.
Mourinho is a busted flush. Stop with the nonsense
"If only Newcastle had a team as good as their fans" what does this even mean? Why are Newcastle fans so weird thinking their team and fans are somthing special? Cringe
You are clueless. Ever been to Newcastle? Cringe.
If only they had a team half as good as their fans are inbred
They embarrassed themselves in europe this season. Small club
Does that make Man United a small club too? They didn't even have the excuse of a group of death after all.
@@cage94123567890 they’re terrible aswell
Go get southgate 😂😂
This boo hoo Newcastle routine is getting old, they over spend on sub par players in the summer, they haven't played well when it mattered, and have been beaten or drawn poor prem teams, get over it
As a fair and balanced NUFC fan i don’t want Howe out today, but he’s definitely had a bad season overall.
Going for it against Milan and going out of Europe all together, Insisting on playing Trippier when his head wasn’t right, which costs points, playing burn leftback which has cost several results, rushing players back from injury, or playing injured players, and not rotating when he did have the chance. If he doesn’t improve soon, the owners will make a change in the summer i have no doubt about that. 10th of below just isn’t acceptable anymore, no matter the circumstance
You'd think we were an established European club the way you're going on. We're still miles behind the big 6 I terms of commercial revenue and we're still at a very early stage of transitioning from the under investment of the Ashley days. I understand Eddie has made some errors but you're way over the top in how much you fault him for. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.
@@Rintrah85 we aren’t anywhere near the top 6, but are ahead of West Ham, Brighton and Wolves. If we improve and the end the season well fair enough and i’ll be happy. But finishing where we are after the mistakes which have been made will cost him his job and that’s just a reality
Also, your initial comment is definitely not fair and balanced.
@@Rintrah85 i’d say it’s pretty balanced when it’s true events. Like i said i’m behind him and the team, but he needs to improve. I’m not sat with blind faith
@Unclebuzzcocksne Not balanced at all. You're blaming him for going for it against Milan. If we'd sat back and were knocked out you'd no doubt be complaining that he hadn't went for it. A fair and balanced view would be recognising that remaining in European competition wasn't just down to that one game. Would be a fairer argument to say that we were unlucky to go out after PSG were gifted by VAR. Suppose that's Eddie's fault too eh? It's not fair and balanced to claim that Trippier's head wasn't right when you don't know that that's true, mere paper talk and there's no evidence that that was the case. Plus, say he wasn't right, do you know more than Eddie about how Trips would respond to being dropped? Doubtful. I don't think Burn has cost us as many results as people like to make out, failing to point to the assists and space he creates on set pieces as well as the massive tackle and aerial win ratios he produces. Moreover, Burn is the same player as last year playing in the same position. The difference is we haven't had Joel or Willock with the legs to support Burn against faster right wingers. So again, not fair and balanced. It's also not fair and balanced to claim that we've played injured players unless you are part of the backroom staff, which, of course, you're not. The last point is slightly more fair...i do think recent games Eddie could have rotated a few players out now that we have players returning from injury. However, as fans we can't know how these players look in training. I would rather see Miley or Anderson instead of Longstaff right now though and it is weird that Sean has kept his place despite being injured.
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