Why Manchester United still aren't an elite team
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Despite an extra-time comeback to beat Liverpool to reach the 2023-24 FA Cup semi-finals, Manchester United are sitting sixth in the Premier League, competing for a Europa Conference League spot with West Ham and Brighton.
Why hasn't it been working for Erik ten Hag and what should Sir Jim Ratcliffe and the new ownership do?
Reuben Pinder, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie discuss if Manchester United should stick with Erik ten Hag.
This is The Athletic's Week in Football.
#manchesterunited #premierleague #tenhag
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:20 By The Numbers
02:03 Is the squad worth it?
03:18 Current Man Utd Tactics
09:03 Why isn't Man Utd's counterpress working?
11:56 Manchester City (Elite Team Example 1)
15:22 Brighton (Elite Team Example 2)
19:08 Bayer Leverkusen (Elite Team Example 3)
22:01 Ten Hag's Ajax
27:11 Mitigating Circumstances
29:11 Where's The Control?
31:09 What should Sir Jim Ratcliffe do?
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Guys, please stop using the Sancho and Ronaldo issues; Sancho was given an inseason multi-month sabbatical that was never credited for how quiet it was kept and then proceeded to still act unprofessionally. Ronaldo showed dissent publicly multiple times, slandered other players in the team and did an interview with Piers Morgan. Come on. You think Pep or Klopp would have that? And comparing this Utd team which has been in turmoil since Ferguson left and expecting any manager to fix it in a short time frame is ridiculous. All managers succeeding now have had time. Give him time
Someone with sense 🫡 Ronaldo was literally twerking for every club with CL football to sign him and failed
i mean ten hag did without sanchos consent reveal about his mental training and stuff which sancho didnt like, and its not even that pep and klopp wouldnt even be in this situation cause they know how to handle situations , even arteta said it he wuld never complain about a players training in public nor have pep or klopp ever done that, is it because they always had perfect player, not even 1 bad apple
@abhinavkumar4824 mate, in the nicest way possible, if you're defending or condoning Sancho's behaviour you don't support Man Utd. Our history is about no one player being more important than the team or club. We have moved on Beckham, Staam and Keane who wouldn't allow Sancho anywhere near Man Utd in the first place. He's a good football, awful professional and never showed any quality consistently at Man Utd even before Ten Hag arrived. Also, that's not true about Arteta. He was literally championed for getting rid of Aubemyang who acted like he was bigger than the club.
@@abhinavkumar4824 completely false. Sancho never said Ten Hag revealed personal information about him. Arteta quite literally complained about Aubameyang publicly. The difference is that the club backed him.
@@abhinavkumar4824go to social media to complain about your boss at your 9 to 5 wage slavery gig about his opinions on your mental application at your job and see how that works out for you
Taking the captancy from maguire and giving it to bruno was certainly not a mistake. Maguire is playing much better since then.
And I'd argue that Bruno is a better captain. The players clearly love Bruno and he would die for that badge. Yeah, he's not Keane and he moans too much, but he's still better than Maguire imo. And like you said, Maguire's gone up a level without it.
@@CoconutJewcehe isn't Keane, he's Bruno. i wouldn't have any other player captain us, Bruno is a red for life
@@CoconutJewce imo captain should be onana/lisandro. bruno is not a good captain
@@onouphriosclearly,this guy is a beast,he rarely got injured ,he's rlly committed to this team and I love it and this guy always gives his all
@@doa1377 Idk how good Martinez's English is, but he'd be a good captain if he can stay fit. I think Dalot is worth a shout, too.
32:17 The irony of suggesting patience with the next manager in a discussion on whether the current manager should be sacked after 2 seasons is quite bemusing.
The next manager will probably be English (Potter or Southgate) so of course they'll ask for patience, same when Maguire was putting unimaginable bad performances 🤦♂️
@@brothatisfunny alright calm down
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Erik lacks everything a coach needs. No player development, No tactics, No mindset, no direct type of way or shape. Getting grouped in arguably easiest group while losing Copenhagen and galatasaray at home after he bought the players he want that’s not excusable. This is the worst coach Man United ever.
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So many people are ignoring the ridiculous amount of injuries he's had to deal with
Every team deals with injury. It’s not an excuse.
Blud, stop crying about injuries. Every single manager has to deal with it - it's part and parcel of the process
@@tomwaitsmencse It is part of an explanation. Liverpool has had many injuries, but their squad is no much deeper and better than man utd. Newcastle have had lots and they are tenth.
@@tomwaitsmencse Spurs dipped massively after injuries to key players. Its important and it matters.
Context is ignored when united are involved
Ever since Utd beat Liverpool the press have been desperate for negativity.
Manchester United, historical victims.
They're not even supposed to be "the press" but ever since the Athletic bought them they've just turned into another agenda driven rag instead of doing proper analysis.
Because Man Utd are still having a horrible season, just because someone isn't fawning over 1 performance in a whole season of being dreadful doesn't mean they're "desperate for negativity". Man Utd fans are just confused that other fanbases/neutrals have somewhat level heads and don't wildly swing depending on what result they saw that week.
@@chiefbeef9905 they just look like Liverpool last season. Injuries have ruined the beginning of the season. I think now that utd have improved upfront. I think they can salvage something. I've seen big improvements . Very few teams can live with the Utd front 3 at the moment
@@chiefbeef9905 after winning Liverpool, the press has been reporting about Southgate being the candidate to Erik Ten Hag's managerial position. If that doesn't mean "desperate for negativity" then what else.
Wow, not a MU fan, but so glad to read comments supporting ETH project. I think he is still rebuilding and needs time and players that can understand his vision.
Most utd fans are with Ten hag, it is the media mostly run by liverpool fans and other fans that had their childhood stolen by Man utd and Sir alex. They are trying their best to stop Eric ten hag project.
Oh, I forgot about CR7 girly fans they hate Eric ten hag
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It's fairly obvious why the defence sits deeper than the attack, thus opening up the midfield to opposition. Maguire and Evans can't play a high line. Martinez and Varane can play higher, and they do.
Last season was the lowest United defensive line has been in years and that was with Martinez and Varane.
And we've still let in less goals than every team besides the top 3 and Everton (which is amazing from them, wtf lol). Yeah, it's a tactical problem but how else can ETH solve it atm? It's either turtle up like Brentford and go on the counter (fans would hate that and talk about the missing Ajax style of play) or try to play some kind of pressing, attacking football but leave some deficiencies somewhere else. Damned either way he tries.
@@babajidesotande-peters6688 cause last season we had david on goal
@@CoconutJewcethe void in midfield is caused by that intense high pressing. That clearly hasn't worked out for them that well considering the few goals they have scored and the number of chances they're conceding. Maybe don't press so high? It's that simple. And united play like Brentford against the top teams like city and arsenal anyway
@@plabanborah8414 United have had higher defensive lines even with De Gea in goal. It’s a tactical thing.
Stop saying Ten Hag spent x amount of money on players, Ten Hag isn’t the one negotiating fees it’s the incompetent people above him negotiating those fees. E.g. ETH tells the board he wants Antony in May, in June Ajax quote us €45M and United deem that too high, then go back in and buy him for a ridiculous amount of money and Ten Hag is blamed?
I dont even care about the fees. Players like Antony are clearly not good enough for the prem yet ten Hag wanted him. Mind you he chased Gakpo too who looks absolutely awful at Liverpool, thank god we didnt get him
@@anirudhmenon9099 Ten Hag should have less power overall, the structure at Man United prior to Ineos has been a disgrace they’re 10 years behind every other club in the world. Ten Hag should have influence on the signings just like all other managers do but it should be a joint decision with himself, DOF, recruitment/scouts etc…
@@arjunlally3615 Agree with you there, but ten hag demanded complete control during negotiations. If ur so confident in ur ability to buy players it shouldnt be so bad
The overall point is that the club invested a lot of money in the club and the first window was impacted by Ten Hag's insistence on De Jong when he should have known better given his relationship with the player. Buying Anthony should not even have been a priority given we had Sancho abd even for £40m would be a bad buy.
You do know he had a few of these players at Ajax too
What happened to Liverpool when Van Dijk got injured? What happened to Arsenal when Saliba got injured towards the end of last season. Have you seen arsenal performances at the start of the season when Gabriel was not playing or Man city results when Rodri hasn't played. Now compare that to Man United where most key players have been injured and others have been out of form. Also consider the fact that man utd midfielders like Bruno and Casemiro can't keep the ball while our fowards thrive on pace. Do you guys think even Klopp can do better at Man Utd than ETH with the current squad?
And how many top teams are forced to play free transfers like Weghorst and Amrabat or promote players from the academy when first team players are out injured? Has Pep been given one single free transfer in his entire time at the club? Don't think so...
All I remember is the United fans saying “injuries are NOT an excuse “ to arsenal and Liverpool fans. Are United fans immune to irony or the hypocrisy ?
Yes, of course he can.
Can’t believe they replaced Joe with a baby
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The injuries has been the worst this season for United, playing more than 60% of the season with no left back, probably it will be the same till the last game, playing evans at cb coz no body was fit, Rashford losing his form, onana having a tough start, playing mainoo an 18 year old as first team, the moment the attack was clicking rasmus got injured, to be sixth or even in conversation of top 4 is alot looking at that United squad it has no depth a few injuries again would screw any hopes of 4 for United.
Plus any depth we did have was injured, amad who was looking good in preseason, mount, casemiro was injured the first couple months, eriksen has had injuries, mainly was injured half the season. Garnacho, dalot, rashford, fernandes and Antony are the only players we've had consistently fit
No guarantee Utd will have less injuries next season. The idea is the team should be based on patterns not players.
@@qfnoyvoy6353 how was city without de Brunner and especially Rodri? The reality is the patterns you play are dependent on the players you have available, united defence can't play a highline to support the press when we only have one defender with any pace available in dalot.
@@qfnoyvoy6353You need a consistent squad for that. I'd like to play a high line, because that's the main issue this season. But that's not possible when Martinez is injured and Evans/Maguire has to take over.
@@lucasvanwijngaarden670 exactly what I was saying. It's funny how these people have every excuse for city when they fell apart because they were missing one player.
10:50 you can only love how there is no consideration for the impact of not having shaw and martinez for the majority of the season.
They are crucial to how united control the game, attack and defend
5:30 he kinda said, the defenders aren’t the ideal starting 11 defenders
So to summarize, and you did it at the start of the clip. Ten hag does not have 5 players that he needs to play the way he wants. A CM that can control the game (de jong) is missing. That with a fit Martinez they can play a higher line and it’s half way there. The space in the middle is deliberate, clearly, and they are compact so to push the opposition wide and minimise clear cut chances. Playing with what he has, Eric has had to adapt.
Yes and no. If you want United to play possession football, you will need to sack ETH, because as a matter of fact he has declared that he will not play possession football at United. He thinks it is not United's tradition, and he declares that he will not "Ajaxify United." That's how he develops the high-pressing, quick turnover style of football. If you think possession football is not a necessity, you can keep ETH.
The fact that they're analysing the tactics and squad cost when half those players haven't been available this season just screams agenda.
@@Wrioncnkiye who is the right possession coach though
@@doa1377 Roberto De Zerbi, TIFO have a video on him. But football is not all about possession.
@@kingj7606yeah because he's been doing famously at Brighton this season. Reality is, the manager is the furthest thing from the problem at Man United, even much less so after less than 2 years in the chaos. Fix the structure, create an elite culture from top to bottom before you can start analyzing the "stats" which these geeks just love. Starting over with a manager who has no track record of winning trophies (or just has a couple of seasons in one setting) is just dumb and continues the cycle of hire, 2-3 seasons then fire and rinse and repeat.
One thing I am pleased to see is United fans united in these comments. They should stick with Ten Hag, the level of scrutiny has been ridiculous from all levels of media. Any top 6 team would have struggled this season with arguably their best players out. Mainoo only started playing in November too.
Lol. Talking about squad cost and spend. Use some actual contextual arguments. Average starting 11 cost this season? Injury context? Number of Ten Hag signings in the starting 11 this season? You're analysing tactics whilst having Martinez, Mainoo, Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Mount in the 11 when they've been injured for months it's just misleading. Same agenda driven analysis that the likes rags and Talksport spout. You either analyse each of the 2 seasons individually or contextualise this season as he's had factually the most injuries and changes to his starting 11 of any team in the league.
If you are a Man United fan than you would’ve have seen before the season even started that Erik lacks everything a coach needs. No player development, No tactics, No mindset, no direct type of way or shape. Getting grouped in arguably easiest group while losing Copenhagen and galatasaray at home after he bought the players he want that’s not excusable. This is the worst coach Man United ever.
@@150hendrixyeight6You literally say this in every comment chain lol, sometimes copy pasted and sometimes slightly reworded… We get it. You don’t like Ten Hag. Who do you actually think would do better? Who’s the RIGHT manager for this group of players, this ownership structure, and Manchester United’s traditions?
@@davidgriffith1552 he's an NPC. the only thoughts in his dull head are what goldbridge puts in it.
They did talk about the injuries, what video are you watching?
@@Mario_Lugoyeah, they do, just to be able to say that they acknowledged it. But was it actually acknowledged in the video or just mentioned and ignored?
I didn’t expect for you guys to regurgitate what the media says and I’m a fan of you guys. ETH, for the most part of the season hasn’t had a full consistent 11 throughout the season. The majority of matches this season have been players from other managers playing bar the keeper. Mount has been injured the whole season, Martinez has been out a lot, Casemiro in and out, shaw has been injured, AWB, Hojlund in and out, Erikson, Anthony has had his problems with his court case etc. pep lost Rodri and Debruyne and started losing and drawing games. The fact that you want Man Utd to play like Man City like there is only one way to approach a football match as an elite team? It’s not every time a manager plays good football copy them that is why teams lose games because they don’t have their own ideas.
Man United aren’t an elite team for one, again in 2024 in the prem you can’t play a counter attacking style of football to wins matches, and ETH tries to press high but also has his line incredibly deep, that’s just an identity crisis and no guardiola did not start losing matches when he lost those players, he was still in the top 3 and in the title race
@@hamster4810 it’s not an identity crisis, if he plays a high line you would be the same person calling him stupid because teams will just put a ball over the top and do their defenders for pace. These are the same players that can’t keep possession for more than 5 passes between them without giving away possession.
Arteta wasn’t playing the style his is now so are we saying he had an identity crisis too? Or he didn’t have the players he needed? He came 8th two seasons in a row as well…. My comment on pep was an error they struggled a lot more when Rodri and debruyne was injured.
@@animemadness1171 Thats unfortunate but the discussion is, is Erik ten good enough for a Team like MANCHESTER UNITED and the answer is No. Erik lacks everything a coach needs. No player development, No tactics, No mindset, no direct type of way or shape. Why didn’t he use the youth after the players get injured? Erik just started giving the youth a chance after he got grouped in the UCL and kept the same old low mentality players in the field till united lost hope to every title. Erik can’t even get the players mentality right the perfect example is LIVERPOOL last season we’re poor they lost to
Bournemouth the game after they beat united 7, What does that tell you? I can mention a lot examples but stats are showing This is the worst Man United coach ever.
@@150hendrixyeight6Here’s little secret. You could believe something so deeply that you feel it in your bones… and still be wrong.
@@hamster4810you need to understand football. There’s that gap because of the profile of players. Just be patient
Clearly these guys did not see how Man Utd played with the two games Martinez and Casemiro were back. We comfortably won those.
First 2 games we had Martinez and Varane + Casemiro only Hojlund was missing, We were played off the park
ManUtd hasn't won a single game comfortably this season
You clearly didn't watch the games yourself because that did not happen. We did not "comfortably" beat anyone and have a negative record with Martinez in the team.
Brighton are not an elite team. Have had multiple spankings and when they play they are rushed and give the ball away a lot. They're 8th.
2 places behind united. Smaller budget. And beaten United this season.
@@marlonblade007 How does that have any relevance? When they played Brighton had their full 11. You're not an "elite team" if you're 8th and getting spanked by Luton 4-0.
and spurs 6 points ahead taking 4 points out of 6 from them H2H
Very sorry to say, but Erik Ten Hag hasn’t spent £380 million. Joel Glazer has been making the final decision on transfers. Ten Hag has had some input, but the way this has been put across in the video is inaccurate.
That's BS, we know ETH had full control of transfer in his reign, that's why INEOS and SJR talked about taking said control back from ETH
Forget the fees, you can blame the board for that. But the quality of players brought in by ten hag is really poor apart from Martinez,Hojlund, Casemiro for a season(which is pretty obvious signing)
@@anirudhmenon9099 @goonerOZZ Sorry boys, you’re both wrong.
@@DrBuddyRydell cracking argument that
@@anirudhmenon9099 I’m not here to argue, I’m here to educate.
They probably should stick with him
Hmm probably not
nd who do u think should they be bringing in then?
@@suyashshukla149watch him either not answer your question or mention someone like Zidane, Hansi Flick, Nagelsmann
@@suyashshukla149nagelsmann the tactical solver he is a genius he would fix the man utd problems
Of course rival fans would think we should stick with him.
In my completely unprofessional view, Man Utd problem starts from the fact that the squad is extremely unbalanced. Defenders want to play low block, while attackers are instructed to press high, leaving midfielders to cover unrealistic amounts of space. If we had 2 Kante, maybe it wouldn't be an issue
It’s not necessarily that the defenders ‘want’ to play a low block, they’re simply forced to due to their lack of pace, awareness, or they’re injured.
A high line of Shaw, Martinez, Varane and Dalot would probably be fine. Even Wan Bissaka in place of Shaw would probably be fine too. The issue is that we haven’t seen that defence play together once this season, and we’ve been having to play Evans and Maguire who aren’t quick enough, and Lindelof at LB when he isn’t quick enough.
@@deangreen2567 same point. Defense too far back, attack too high up, midfielders are tasked to cover huge space. I say we need to get rid of quite a few CBs and get at least 2 young, physical, fast, tall, ball playing CBs. I am almost positive with better defenders, we will play a lot more compact and we won't be facing 20 shots a game.
You are 100% correct. It’s a mishmash of several managers bringing in different players to suit their style. We need a clear out.
Yes, the Glazers have destroyed the squad over two decades and we haven't even had a football structure at board level. Well done for working it out
@@deangreen2567 Ten Hag wasn't exactly playing a high line with that exact same back 4 last season. Its clear the deep block/high line is how he wants to play. And it was actually decently effective last season.
I mean... let's just say if they replace him with Southgate or Potter, they might as well shut down the whole institution...
Utd finished 6th before Ten Hag joined with a mixed squad and you’re saying he should be playing elite football in his first two seasons… just look at Arteta’s journey at Arsenal
It looks like a reverse-Arteta story unfolding here though 😂
@@theSPUDereHDarteta finished 8th genius
@@ashtonndlovu9470 he’s risen every year, whereas ETH has dropped..
I really really REALLY hate this topic! You can't keep having this same debate every 18 months & we will never catch up to the top 3 if we do. Klopp and Arteta finished outside top 4 for multiple seasons and kept their jobs. Look at them now, flying. Erik proved why he deserves time in his debut season. End of discussion!
people having this debate on youtube will not stop man utd catching up to the top three. what are you on about.
Yes but ETH isn’t Arteta or Klopp, he’s not going to completely transform your club and that can be shown by your signings that have all been approved by him
Keep Erik n back him, simple.
Arteta took multiple seasons to build a squad that could play football without passing it around the box for 90mins.
Also how many of ETH's signing have actually been available? Onana had a bad start but is now in great form.
Martinez completely transformed how we play but hes been injured all season.
Mount has been injured since Christmas and Malacia has been sucked into a black hole.
Casemiro was the boards idea of a suitable alternative to FDJ (they are completely different players). Hes also spent a lot of time out aswell.
Anthony was never worth the fee but thats on the board when he was available for 20m.
Hojlund has been great and Amrabat and Regullion were loans.
Stop talking shite @hamster4810
@@uncertified-banger5595how do you know casemiro was the board's alternative to fdj? Also, the board valued Antony at £20m. There is a reason he was signed for £80m and that's bc ETH wanted him. Multiple united players (Martinez, onana, Antony) played under ETH at Ajax. It's no secret he was the one that forced those moves, with Antony being a poor decision.
Ten hag: wins
Media: GET HIM OUT! 😡
He doesn’t win 😂
@@theSPUDereHDliterally just did
@@ashtonndlovu9470 a rare occurrence..
i think Arteta is a great case for people to give patience to managers
You can't compare Ten Hag to Arteta, Arteta was coached and mentored by Pep, teaching him everything he knew. It was always a case of allowing a new philosophy to develop at Arsenal, and even then, in their worst moments Arsenal and Arteta never looked as clueless as ETH and United currently do (at least on alternating weeks!)
@jamesli9380 Ten Hag also has to change a whole new playing style, also at a club that is in turmoil, also was mentored by Pep at Bayern, also won a trophy in their first season, and took ajax to a champions league semi final. If anything, he has done better than Arteta in the first 2 years
@@goliathcredtin3221 Well said. And Arteta's success at Arsemal only really improved when the club had a clear and proper recruitment strategy. The incoming young players that could fit Areta's playing style obviously made a huge difference and that's what needs to happen at United, a top DoF is essential, no manager will be successful at United without one in place.
@@goliathcredtin3221go look at Arsenals team when he took over. EtH had Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, Fernandes, Varane, Shaw and signed Champions League Casemiro, his first choice CB and winger Martinez, Antony. Arteta didn’t even have a summer window and won the FA cup beating City and Chelsea. EtH beat some championship teams at OT and Newcastle to win the carabao cup
@@wesleyjazz87 ETH inherited the worst-performing United side in history. You can mention the big names (part of the problem, actually), but the team was utter trash.
Sometimes, I feel like everyone has an agenda against Man United. Someone here actually just said Harry Maguire is a quick player. Everyone in England knows that Maguire is slower than an ocean liner. Maguire only thrives in international football because it's slow motion football. There's your proof of an agenda. They act like they forgot that when we play Varane and Martinez, WE PLAY A HIGH LINE. Ten Hag is right: he doesn't have the tools to play the way he wants. The proof is in his first 2 matches at United and in fact in every game. For Ten Hag, everyone attacks, everyone defends. How does the guy that oversaw brilliant football for 3 years at Ajax suddenly become trash? THE PLAYERS. And stop insulting us with this "Ten Hag spent all this money" rubbish. Ten Hag wanted a player, Man United sent a clown in a business suit to do the deal and he got his pants pulled down over and over again. Not Ten Hag's fault that he's working with idiots. Antony was available for 40 million pounds in July. United waited till the start of the season and Ajax were telling them a new amount every week. Martinez could have been got for cheaper than 45 million pound. And who gets a 30+ year old player for over 60 million quid, twice?! Meanwhile, United have had more injuries and injured players than literally every club in the Premier League bar none, and past recruitment means that players stepping in are a massive step down from starters. It's so easy to dump on the manager. You guys should put as much effort into the real mitigating factors as you do the criticism. I actually thought you guys were serious analysts. You might as well go start a new show on TalkSport. Complete rubbish!
😂No one has an agenda against the 20 time prem winners be serious
@@cazter901 I'm sorry. I haven't heard any "Should Newcastle stick with Howe?" bits, have you? Form a proper fact-based argument.
@@doc_oz Because United are one of, if not the biggest club in England and get tons of media attention, and the expectations of Ten Hag are far higher since he's at United and not Newcastle. IDK wtf your talking about. I still think Erik should have another year, I'm just saying there is no agenda against United. What United need is a midfielder that can dicate tempo. Ten Hag's style worked at Ajax mainly because of De Jong. The style revolves around him.
@@cazter901that’s Mainoo, he absorbs pressure so well and can dribble while carrying the ball up the pitch. He should play alongside Casemiro for next season then drop to holding once Casemiro leaves.
@@cazter901 Dude, you're making my argument. There's context to the situation which is always hidden away so they can make the attention grabbing argument that Ten Hag is trash. The mitigating circumstances are so clear that a blind man can see, but everyone acts like it doesn't exist or matter. I think my original post details my reasoning for the top line. Again, we've had massive injuries this season. The bench is far weaker than most big teams in the league. The club has not given Ten Hag the tools he needs to succeed. The players have failed to adapt to a modern style of football. The recruitment and transfers have been shambolic. Ten Hag has nothing to do with transfer fees. But Ten Hag is blamed for it all. How is that not an agenda?
Why would they change him before the new CEO and Director of Football haven't even started their jobs? Makes absolutely no sense.
Real Madrid kinda plays in transition don't they... I think they're pretty much an elite team
Where was Liverpool thos time last season? With van dike injured weren't they well down league? An only when they got him back they made a push for top 4. Ten hag with martinez out all season has done better an oh lets not forget how bad man city stats are if they lose rodri
Guardiola and Klopp have a lot more credit in the bank than Ten Hag does, I’m not saying he hasn’t been treated harshly just them two have earned time due to their performances.
@@titusbramble7403how do managers get credit? Ten hag took over the worst united squad in premier league history and finished third. He also won a cup. If this is the only season before this cursed second season how does he not have credit?
@@a2win91 I really like Ten Hag but there is a difference between building the two best English sides of all time and taking a below average United to a good finish. Ten Hag has some credit which is why he isn’t under more pressure but he isn’t close to Klopp in terms of credit.
@@a2win91 He did not take over the worst united squad in PL history. He actually created one and is having the worst season in PL history right now.
Eth is the man with the plan , in Eric we trust
The plan that had us finishing bottom of our Champs group, and the plan that has us playing in a way where we concede 20+ avg. shots per game, regardless of how good or bad our opponent is? Ahhh, yes. Great signs for the future indeed
@@TNT_12 Yeah Since it had nothing to do with Onanna at all he was superb through the whole groupstage , smelling the sarcasm? Do you even watch the games? I atleast have more and more confidence for him now and think we will be alright.
@@jonasnilsson6386you wanna mainly blame Onana? Ten Hag's the one who pushed hard to get rid of DDG and sign Onana from what I can remember, insisting that he's signing Onana to make full use of his skills with his feet, but oh wait! We haven't even seen that
You cant deny his been alot better after that shaky start , what do you expect peak performance from every player always. Then you have not played the game my friend.
@@jonasnilsson6386you're going away from the point I'm making, which is Ten Hag isn't trustworthy and I'm not convinced in us giving him another season
They changed the title from "should united keep ten hag?" to this.
A team like arsenal took 3 seasons with planning to start to look like an elite team. United under Ratcliffe will take a similar time to reach those levels if it goes well.
Rare Tifo miss. Utd play with the massive gap in the lines because we need to play with the press, it’s how we create a large amount of chances and our fit CBs this season are excellent box defenders and below average high line defenders. It’s an adlib. It’s not worked great, but I’m confident if we had gone full oleball sit back or full high line we’d have even less points.
The damn low line argument bs critiques when he has to play jonny evans and Maguire are making me sick, his whole backline has been out all season stop pretending you dont understand
Personnel is the key issue with United. You can’t expect them to play with a high-line with people like Evans, Maguire, and Lindelof. I clicked on this video thinking they would notice and recognize our injuries as a reason why we play the way we do but saddened that they regurgitate the same negative agenda the media is pushing. Most United fans understand Ten Hag isn’t the problem rather the personnel and injuries that need to get fixed first. Expected better tbh
But my issue with this is, why is Ten hag not selling the players that can’t implement his style and sticking w the likes of magiure and Lindelof that’s why I don’t feel sorry for Ten Hag.
Because few want to buy at low price and to sell they have to pay a lot more for new ones... and they're already with a short budget to maintain the fairplay i guess @@phatbi971
@@phatbi971 He tried to sign so many CBs last year to partner Martinez for this season but we couldn't sign anyone unless Maguire left which he never did. He wanted Martinez and Kim Min Jae, Todibo, or Pavard and got none of them with Varane and Lindelof being 3rd and 4th choice options which would've been ideal but due to injuries and Maguire staying, he's stuck with these players
Who on Earth sacks a manager in just two seasons ? And that is without all the injury problems Man Utd has, not to mention the massive restructuring behind the scenes.
Not to mention, just look at the team that finished the game with Liverpool. We ONLY had two defenders in the playing 11, and one of them, Maguire, was playing as a forward because that is the extent of injuries we have had. We have played the majority of this season without a Left Back.
Man United and Chelea do 🤷♂
Real Madrid sacked Lopetegui in just 14 games
Most big clubs do because they have standards and don't have the ridiculous manager cult in their fanbase.
1. Poor transfer windows
2. Injuries- Liverpool last season had similar injuries and they made the europa league, Utd is the same this season, Shaw, Malacia, AWB, Varane, Casemiro, Mainoo, Mount, Amad,Martial,Antony have been injured alot this season, add the recent injuries to Hojlund, Maguire, and youre screwed.
True story. Played 10+ games without 2 fit fullbacks, and a handful of games with 0 fit strikers.
How can you not mention van Gaal, Moyes and some of the good managers that also couldn’t get it work.
“Good managers”
And what have they done since leaving united? only moyes has achieved something but still many Hammers say his style of football is prehistoric
The media would love a scenario where Man Utd sacks ETH and gets a far worse Manager to replace him. ETH is an elite manager and would not struggle to get a job elsewhere and succeed. He has steadied the ship and brought a bit more stability to a chaotic Man Utd structure. He has managed to beat Pep, Klopp, and Arteta in games. This shows that with a bit more consistency and limited injuries, Man Utd can compete at the top level. There is an exciting three-horse title race happening and you are still looking down the table to micro-analyze an irrelevant team.
One thing that ETH has done is that these so called big teams no longer bully us. If he is given the players he wants, he will make us formidable. For Christ sakes he has already stringed results with an already depleted squad.
speaking for humanity they NEED to keep him
He must be doing something right, the way opposition fans talk about him
All this talk changed after one win from a sloppy Liverpool lmao.
Most fans were ETH out weeks before this. Restart the cycle!!
@@mightymoeish Most? 😂
@@mightymoeish Majority of fans want him to stay for at least another season with a proper structure behind him, and that was before the Liverpool game. But the fanbase is so reactionary and are used to get easy clicks; watch us lose to Liverpool on the 7th and the media/fans will be chanting for him to get the sack. Rinse repeat.
Nah he had to go. Don't waste another season 😊
People seemingly forgetting that casemiro has been out over half the season too
These are not football experts just nerds that play too much FM
He has been one of our worst players whenever he played this season. Nobody is forgetting anything.
'Ten Hag admitted that at United, he doesn't have players to play like he wants to/used to at Ajax' - see, but this is why you can't blame one person for this mess, a coach or a player, yet the whole press and the fans ganged up on Ronaldo last season, the Athletic included. And it was a pathetic display. As you said in this video: the most crucial thing in football, for a football club, is to have a modern, great power structure, like a director of football, whose task is to shape and implement the football philosophy for the particular club, and then together with the scouts and finance/budget people, make sure that adequate candidates for a coach and players are recruited. Period. Everything starts with solid fundamentals, in football, that means a well-oiled machine of a power structure. Players don't sign themselves, that's the point! Each player poses his own style of play and his own football philosophy, especially a veteran like Ronaldo, the club knows this in advance, so when the club goes out of its way to buy the player, then the player assumes that the club knows what its doing, and has a PLAN for him, how to use him on the pitch! Cristiano expected that United knew what they were doing when they went for him!
This is why it was so annoying to watch how everyone blamed Cristiano: how is it his fault that it turned out the current United contradicts itself when building the basics because they literally didn't do it just with Ten Hag, they do it over and over again: pursue coaches who don't exactly fit the players they already have, and then after the first seasons with a particular coach, they buy the new players who also, still, don't exactly fit the particular coach's style, desires, and plans! So there was no real attempt at implementing any kind of philosophy first, like you said, just to get results here and now. Ridiculous! And it's over and over, the same mistake for a decade since Fergie left! It was never Ronaldo's fault, Ronaldo trusted United and he was thrown into this mess too, just as coaches and other players, thinking United had a plan! Like all of us.
So I agree with your general diagnosis: the essence of the problem at United was and is, the lack of the modern, great, well-functioning structure of power within, the director of football in particular. And this sick cycle of bringing a coach with one philosophy and then the players who don't fit the profile of this philosophy/to execute it on the pitch - is the main issue. The only hope now is, that with INEOS takeover, it will finally change! But just a reminder for the fans: stop blaming players and coaches, if the club stays unreformed for so many years, and has the whole structure outdated and rotten, as United did, the fault lies with the management, the board, etc.
Sounds like you speaking with a very clear agenda fellas
Simple answer, no ETH shouldn't be fired.
It's the wildest thing to me how any manager at this club can be truly criticized with the clown show going on in the backgrounds. Even Fergie suffered to some extent from that, but it all completely fell apart with 'Big Ed' (or the loss of Gill). How can one of, if not the biggest club in the world be run without a sporting director with a long-term vision and a real project behind it? Even the stadium is now bottom tier at best. It would be sad if it honestly wasn't comical at this point.
The Glazers have completely ruined this club and the prospects of what it could be the moment they bought it, and it would take a lot to turn this ship around. But they made a lot of money off it...
Fergie left at the right time he knew he couldn't work with woodward n bounced 😅
For the entire current season, the United team looks utterly chaotic on the pitch, there are absolutely no clear tactics or visible philosophy here no matter what Ten Hags says about it, the pressing is still a giant issue and no one of the young forwards does enough pressing, and goals only come from sporadic, individual brilliance, but then the atrocious mistakes also often come from a few individuals not-focused enough. The mentality of the whole team is very weak, too many players stroll on the pitch when the team is losing and it seems they don't care. So tell me what exactly improved during the last 10 years? Absolutely nothing! Yet if you look back a year or a few months at the analysis of the so-called 'experts' in the media like your magazine, and 'expert fans' although that is an oxymoron, it was all about Cristiano!
How he is the one who is not pressing, and magically, no one even mentioned how Rashford, who is more than a decade younger than Ronaldo, doesn't press either! Rashford media pals, in your magazine, wrote articles about how Cristiano 'blocks Rashford' from reaching his full potential, yet still, now, Rashford is an absolutely awful, awful player, and he was exactly this way during his entire 10 years at the club on the adult level. I guess Cristiano still blocks him, right? Hilarious (sarcasm).
There was no mention when you were all busy attacking Ronaldo (only much later, after his departure, only a few months ago you wrote the article that mentioned this), of how the current state of the club's structure of power is a complete mess and ruins sports efforts on the pitch because the power structure at United, at that time, was partly very old, and partly built from the not so great football people, and all kinds of football people with all kinds of philosophies, who simply didn't fit together! Which made United look and act like a Frankenstein monster, where all the parts of the body do something completely unpredictable and different. And that exactly was, and still is, visible on the pitch. Yet we know, that in the modern football world, the power structure of a club is the main element that shapes the entire philosophy of the club, also on the pitch, and that has the tools to take specific steps to make this vision come true. And this still is, as it was in the past, the essence of the problem.
It was NEVER Ronaldo's fault! Just think about it: Ronaldo was a veteran thrown into a completely toxic club where nothing worked, and he was supposed to win all by himself in this environment? What a joke! The fact that even your magazine, where the real, solid, and thoughtful football 'experts' are supposed to work, failed to recognize all of it, and also blamed Ronaldo, just shows how agenda-driven and pathetic most of the modern football analysis is!
Disappointed in this one, felt like it followed mainstream outlets in their narratives and use of stats.
Normally look to you guys for impartial insightful analysis with a fresh take/perspective
Yes. Next question.
The manager is not the problem at United. We've chopped and changed managers with no sustainable improvements. If the actual issues are not solved, every manager we get will suffer the same fate as those who preceded them. It's ridiculous, at this point, to still think sacking a manager can make United better. How many managers must be sacked until you realise that this doesn't solve anything, we've been doing this for over a decade. You think firing the restaurant host will solve your food poisoning issue? You need to do better as people who provide football journalism. This was a massive waste of everyone's time. -1 subscription
I'm halfway through Ten Hag's biography and it feels like a no brainer to stick with him. He's had pretty much the same experience every where he's coached and has always proved the endless doubters wrong. His reign begins with a teething phase where everyone (players, fans, journalists) gets used to what he wants to implement (never a quick fix, but always a deeply considered plan that he will stick to at all costs) and then slowly but surely the positive changes become obvious. He's calm under pressure and always sticks to his guns and as long as blinkered journalists don't influence the United board, he'll come good.
Despite the rollercoaster season, a lot of players have really improved or looked impressive. I have faith.
United have been really unlucky this season. Onanna having such a bad start to his united career while the left defensive side has been missing all season plus the constant issues with any natural right forward. If ETH can get his front line to continue improving like they have since new year and a new partner for mainoo i see them improving if the injuries also stop
We need go get more possession players that are aggressive. The window will hopefully present Ten Hag with that.
Currently Mount, Martinez, Shaw can allow us to control the games more. We are short of technical players.
We aren't only going to just be transitional, we will be the best in the world in transitioning.
Best in the world? Try chasing Arsenal or Liverpool first, and eventually Man C. Your team can't even string a proper pass from defense to attack from time to time.
Fingers crossed.
@@alvinteo7340none of those teams mentioned are “transitional” in the same way. The idea a top league winning team can entirely focus on their transitional strength is laughable
3 players that have been injured the entire season.
@@alvinteo7340 the second part of your statement proves my point. We don't have enough technical players. We can chase them if Ten Hag keeps getting the right players and gets rid of the old buys..we are still playing Mourinho purchases man.
What people continuously fail to appreciate is how insightful reuben is, considering he is just a baby boy
How are you going to play a high line with those defenders? When we have Martinez, we are able to have a higher line
This ain’t true lmao last season our def line was one of the lowest in the league
Took a shot every time they said “elite football”, I am now asleep
Agree with everyone pointing out that this video was made in bad faith! Do better Athletic. Shockingly biased and ignored all the incidents and injuries that ruined ETHs season. Give the guy time.
Ten Hag has shown enough glimpses of his potential during his 18+ months to be given a third season. Ultimately, it's about winning trophies, and he's already delivered one, came close in another, and are still in with a chance to win the FA Cup this season.
Whenever Ten Hag has had his best XI available, the results and performances have been excellent! United's early Champions League elimination has a lot more to do with individual player errors, but that side, United were the most exciting team to watch in 5 of their 6 group games!
I also think the younger players are the ones who have responded best to Ten Hag. In Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojland, Diallo, Hannibal, Pellestri, etc there's a nice group there that Ten Hag can continue to develop, while the likes of Mctominay, Rashford, Martinez & Dalot have all been solid under the manager!
ten Hag didn't pay or sign off on the fees for the players. Were there alternatives looked at or was it Woodward 2.0 with De Jong? Antony was half the price in May, but the braniacs decided to rebuff that, dither and then pay twice that when they were panicking as they hadn't done their job earlier in the summer. We paid too much for Hojlund and NEVER should have bought Mount this past summer when he was free this coming summer. Then there's the stark inability to move on players (cough apparently a quick defender for example). Both of these issues mean that we can't then strengthen in other areas and we end up relying on a back up striker who has barely been available regularly for more than 3 years. But sure, ten Hag gave the OK on all of that. This Utd team is not ten Hag's yet.
The injuries this season are given lip service and not covered in any detail compared to how they're too transitional in the absence of those injured blah blah blah.
Ronaldo deserved to go after his antics pre-season, on the bench vs Tottenham and then his interview with Morgan. Not to mention him not doing anything when not in possession and about as much that season when we did have the ball (only scored against Everton and a Cypriot team if memory serves correctly). Sancho has flattered to deceive, some might argue found out in the PL (ie it's too quick for him), showing a fleeting glimpse, every so often, of the player that was bought from Dortmund. He was given time out and support last season, I dare say further help/tolerance was given between then and the Arsenal match. He's refused to apologise, even though he's taken down his tweet (if he stood by his words, why take it down and not say sorry). So fair's fair where he's concerned after 3 seasons at Utd.
He won a cup, went deep in all cup competitions and did OK in the League last season. His first and only full season at Utd. But we should get in and give a new manager time? See any conflicting/contradictory thought processes there?
Felt like this was regurgitating points you have made about United and other clubs in other videos just put into a new order. I would love if you could include in a discussion like this Ten Hag's success with Ajax (which is a well run club above the manager) and how Manchester United hasn't had that. This is evidenced by having been signing players for far higher price tags than everyone agrees they should, signing big name players vs developing young and unknown players, and bringing in players ( Ronaldo especially ) mostly as a money making venture. At the end of the video when John asks "Have we seen any evidence that Ten Hag's teams can control every phase of play?" and comparing them to a side that Pep has built for 7 years in order to do that seems unfair. I think it would be interesting to compare Ten Hag year 2 with Arteta and Klopp's year two at their respective clubs. This feels like a more fair comparison of two clubs that were in the relative muck. Just doing 5 minutes of googling, Klopp in his second year at Liverpool finished 17 points off the top of the league. Arteta in his second year at Arsenal finished 25 points off the top of the league. Ten Hag is currently 17 points off of the top of the league. The biggest problem with Manchester United since SAF is the lack of a unifying vision of what the team should be because the owners value monetary success over footballing success. The only way to break this cycle is to stick with one. I also noticed you guys did not do a section in the vein of 'These are the mangers who could have done a better job than Ten Hag in these circumstances', because I don't think Pep or Klopp could be doing any better with this squad. This felt like a video made in bad faith. Generally like your guys' stuff, but this one irked me.
It’s regurgitating all the reasons they said Liverpool would dominate United in the FA Cup at home. And… they STILL haven’t responded to how wrong they were lol.
Did klopp or arteta spend the money that ten hag has in their first two seasons?
@@Mario_Lugo Copy pasting @arjunlally3615 comment: "Stop saying Ten Hag spent x amount of money on players, Ten Hag isn’t the one negotiating fees it’s the incompetent people above him negotiating those fees. E.g. ETH tells the board he wants Antony in May, in June Ajax quote us €45M and United deem that too high, then go back in and buy him for a ridiculous amount of money and Ten Hag is blamed?"
Perfectly summarised my thoughts on this video too. Idk why the entire media is filled with "Should FA Cup win be enough for ETH to stay". It makes me recheck whether we really won against Pool because such videos linking literally Southgate to United have released despite the win. I have accepted that United will face such backlash because people love to see a successful giant falling apart after being at top for so many yrs. Wouldn't Pool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs, Newcastle and in general other fans rejoice when Pep leaves City and they stop winning titles (hopefully). I have made peace with this fact.
I also have hope that Sir Jim and INEOS think this way. Sir Jim has said that it was unfair to label any past Man Utd managers as unsuccessful due to the poor structure. So, there's hope he trusts ETH. People saying De Zerbi or Nagelsmann would do better. Let's say we bring in Pep, would he agree to work with these players? A good manager is one who implements his style of play and puts his impression on the team BUT an elite manager is who brings the best out of his player and adapts. That's why, Ancelotti is the GOAT manager for me. ETH has both qualities, develops the youth, is strict and demands discipline (really needed at our club). So, why change?
manchester united fans really do not want, and would not put up with a manager who wants to spend loads of time with the ball in the defensive third. I agree with the comment below saying we want to be compared more to Liverpool or Real
I believe they should, they’ve been through too much managers and I’m sure that that’s one of the reasons for their bad performances
@@kingj7606 they’re going through many different tactics so quickly and not having a chance to play it once they completely learn it
I don’t get why everyone has this obsession with style of play. The aim of football is to win games, not to play beautiful football and lose. Every so often you get a team like prime Barça that does both, and that’s 🦆ing great. Stop using “style of play” as a magical pill to winning trophies. Stop using Brighton as an example for an “elite” team. They have nowhere near enough injuries as United and are still below us with their “elite” mentality. A style will emerge when we have a deep squad that can play players in their assigned positions consistently. Also, this sort of desk jockey analysis will never ever take into account what it takes to 1)run a club, and 2) get a bunch of disparate players from 5 managers to not just hit top 3, but win a trophy and get into a final. I didn’t see a “sack Klopp” campaign last year. Oh, right - because it’s ok to come 5th as long as Liverpool have an “elite style of play”. Rubbish analysis.
I like EtH however some of the performances have been diabolical. Whether thats on the players or Manager is up to those in charge .but regardless to be promoting Southgate who has had no experience or has ever won anything is utter insanity.
Media has become a effing joke..
Why, because they're pointing out things you're refusing to see?
@@user-zc2sz1os3jagendas are unsightly. Every United fan was prepared for a long rebuild when ten Hag was signed. This video is nothing but a traffic generator, only serving to make money for the channel at the expense of Manchester United.
Saying Brighton as elite team and comparing it with united shows agenda. Never gonna read and watch another piece from athletic ever. The agenda is too much, chill we ain't chelsea.
Exactly, it was so amusing to see that. They even told that Brighton "have been found out" so isn't that a bad thing!? Its borderline arrogance if De Zerbi keeps playing the same way even if teams know each and every pattern of play they attempt (same as Ange at Spurs).
Managers have to be flexible as well and no one can question ETH has those qualities. It would be a downgrade (not alot but still) if we got De Zerbi in place of ETH. We want to win titles in cup competitions and the league over 38 games, not see us rejoice having played the ball out from the back once every 10 attempts only to be hit by the most direct of counters (and get beaten at home by Everton 1-5!!).
Full of contradictions- points out the injuries then admits don’t have the players. Then asks why United are not doing well.
Really enjoyed the analysis especially the comparison between the 3 ways elite teams play in posession. I am looking forward to trying this out with my team this season!
you dont go from winning titles to being useless in a span of 2 years. back him and see what he does.
Titles in the bloody dutch league. Antony and Gakpo looked like world beaters there
@@anirudhmenon9099 still counts. Ajax would destroy us 9/10 times in our league. fans want De Zerbi, but has he won anything? no. even in the "farmers leagues"
@@DavidTUTD Frank De boer is an elite manager then
Won 4 in a row at ajax
@@anirudhmenon9099 Ten Hag and Frank De Boer are not the same. different philosophies and style of play.
@@DavidTUTD stop waffling. Ajax play the same football under every manager, it's just players and results that differ. Acting as if u watched ajax week in week out
Absolutely not, EtH In❤
The floating definitions, roadmapping, supplemental commentary at the top of the screen works really well also 👌
He's only had 18 months guys. Compare both Klopp and Pep after a similar time and I don't think it would be much different. Injuries have been horrendous, he didn't negotiate the transfer fees himself, he didn't always get his first choices, he has also had a lot of crap to deal with (Sancho, Ronaldo, Antony). His goalkeeper single handedly ruined them in the CL in a statistically freakish run of poor form that would only happen once in a career. Rashford ended a relationship and had a family bereavement in the last 6 months which has obviously fucked his head and his form. None of this stuff is under the managers control. Virtually everything has gone against him in a nightmare season and he's still pushing for 4th or 5th (unlike Chelsea) and will likely make his 3rd cup final in 18 months (which is actually a promising sign). They are still a flawed side obviously but if you change him now it will take just as long if not longer for another manager to build a side. He is still finding his feet.. his win percentage is good but he just needs to learn how to fight for a draw from a losing position and game management situations when they just need to sit in sometimes or try and keep the ball in certain situations when they are vulnerable. He needs another transfer window, another pre season and for other stuff (medical staff and physios etc) to be improved behind the scenes. If it's still not happening in Nov/Dec then obviously he'll be gone but if you bin him now you'll never know if it would have worked and you've just wasted 2 seasons of an attempt at cultural change which was the thing you needed most in the first place.
Best comment. Can't agree more with the last line especially!!
Where’s Joe ☹️
There is simply no system with ten hag we may have sporadic postive runs or good results but we'll never be able to transition into a contending team being able to compete for the league and champions league with this system we do not control games and we play football like a mid table side not a side trying to compete and if you can't see that you lack football knowledge
We have the same amount of premier goals as Luton town and people will still back this manager 🤦🏾♂️ even when arteta was doing poorly for arsenal you could see a system he was trying to insert I see nothing in ten hag and he doesn't have a system or whatever his system is will not allow us to compete if we keep ten hag we'll be in same spot in 5 years constantly finishing between 7th - 4th place
Haven’t seen the video yet but I don’t understand the obsession over ten hags job. Most United fans understand where the club is at in terms of infrastructure and understands this manager does a great job of getting us great results despite this. As United fans we want to see stories about all the other exciting things about our club rather than should we keep the manager or not. I’ll come back to this comment after I watch the video.
Edit: I appreciate JJ for providing insight on the terrible infrastructure of United but to then follow it up by saying Ten Hag has one season to fix United is insane. It seems like the producers want to push negativity around United despite the facts saying otherwise.
Absolutely delusional.
I'm glad to see everyone supporting Ten Hag in the comment section. Keep it up, guys!!!👊
First of all, they literally almost said nothing about Ronaldo here. They just mentioned at the end that Ten Hag's doesn't exactly have 'people management' talent, and mentioned Ronaldo's and Sancho's cases, and it absolutely looks like Ten Hag isn't managing people/players in a good, effective way. It's hilarious how you still blame Ronaldo or just Ronaldo. Did you even watch his interview with Morgan, or just read the manipulated clickbaits about it? it looks like it. Cristiano literally said in the interview that he will always love the people who built the club, and the fans, but he doesn't respect Ten Hag and a few 'new' people in power at the club who didn't want him there in the first place and treated him awfully.
Cristiano said that the club doesn't have a philosophy, has old training facilities that are not up to the modern times, and that most of United's young players, with just a few exceptions, are lazy. I mean, Cristiano said nothing but facts that come true more and more every day now! So what was exactly wrong about what Cristiano said? Every single thing he said is nothing but the brutal truth that the Glazers and United fans, and the club needed to hear from the mouth of a big, active player of Cristiano's status! Yes, we as United actually needed this! It's amazing how you all still refuse to understand the reality of this whole Cristiano - Ten Hag conflict was much more complex and deeper than you and most of the British media assessed it was.
First, imagine you blaming Ronaldo, while he had a perfect reason to hate Ten Hag. Because this conflict with Ten Hag, was not all about just things on the pitch and how he was treated as a player, it was also personal! This is why it was so bad. It was about the fact that Ten Hag, as Ronaldo said during the interview, didn't believe Ronaldo when he said he had to be in the hospital during the pre-season's first weeks because his daughter was sick in the hospital. And since then the photos resurfaced online of Ronaldo, Georgina, and Alana in the hospital, from that time, so it proved that Ronaldo told the truth! Cristiano clearly articulated during the interview, that Ten Hag treated him without respect as a player, which was bad enough, but what's much worse, is that Ten Hag treated him without respect as a human being!
Add to this the fact that at that time, it was only a few months since Cristiano's literally lost his newborn child! Yet the fans attacked him, and most of you still have zero empathy toward him, amazing! Such horrible trauma affects humans long after, it can take years and in reality, parents NEVER recover from the trauma of losing a child. So Ronaldo had every right to be still emotional, confused, angry and to react to things in an uncontrolled manner! This is what you people don't get! Really people, if you want to talk about Ten Hag and Ronaldo's conflict, then at least have the facts straight, and think a little deeper.
Also, it was wrong to blame Ronaldo for all the wrongs on the pitch, and the British press and media, as always, plus the international media like the Athletic, and the fans, made a scapegoat of Ronaldo which was utterly unfair and disgusting! He was our top scorer during his first comeback season and was trying and doing all sorts of things during his second season, rewatch his matches, and you will find out Ronaldo actually was doing all sorts of things on the pitch: he defended, he pressed (yes, not enough but he still DID), he passed, he also tried to fix the mistakes of others. The context: he was a 38-year-old veteran, who suffers from tendinosis in his knees, yet you still blamed him for 'not pressing'. Yet at the same time you had Rashford and other youngsters, also not pressing. Imagine.
Look at United now - other players are still not pressing at all or not enough, so why suddenly we don't see and hear about the 'pressing issue' as much from the fans and the media as we were when Ronaldo was at the team? See what this is: Ronaldo was made a scapegoat, period! Ten Hag's tactics are in shambles, mostly there is chaos on the pitch, we manage to only score thanks to Garnacho or other youngsters' individual brilliance, but that's it. Yet according to the toxic media, and most of the so-called 'fans' like you, it was all Ronaldo's fault - Ronaldo, who is the icon for this club, and again: he was a veteran doing his role - of a striker - perfectly! Analyze all of this once again, and tell me how Ronaldo was wrong in this whole messy situation, no - he wasn't! Ten Hag and the club were wrong!
The fact is that we weren't there behind closed doors. United's coaches always have most of the British media behind them, doing PR for them, so of course they all manipulated this story so Ronaldo would look like a villain. Still, since then enough of the facts confirmed that Ronaldo was the one telling the truth. Ten Hag and some people in power at the club acted awfully toward Cristiano, and this is why this conflict was so big and so bad. Sancho's case is completely different, Sancho was lazy, period, and Cristiano actually spoke about it too - that the youngsters at United are lazy. You conflate the two which is completely wrong.
one thing I know for sure is both Utd lovers and haters want ETG to stay. So there's some disconnect somewhere
Utd haters actually prefer Southgate.
This is not rocket science guys, you guys are supposed to be the experts. ETH needs fast, ballplaying defenders he has said it several times he needs his centerbacks pushed high to support the midfield but the current centerbacks apart from Martinez DONT like pushing high at all, this is why united always have that huge space in midfield because our centerbacks always drop deep to a low line.
If only ETH had been given 400m to solve that glaring problem... if only
Guys, i usually like your videos but saying „it has been two years now“ and you have not seen evidence that ten hag‘s team can control games might be right to some part but don‘t forget that during this season, he played with a majority of the players ge brought in to play his football. Licha, malacia, mount, antony, højlund out for big parts. Besides that shaw, wan bissaka, and the rest of the defence also out or at least in and out all the time. Maybe you can explain me how any team is supposed to control games with the defence consistently changing. Look at pep, he build his control through immense spending in his defence. Furthermore when the team was fit last season, we saw in games against tottenham, barcelona and newcastle that they were very able to control games. So give it time for the players to come back and you will see it next season. No reason to panick now.
4:05 You are saying, that we meant to play compact and high, when Martinez and Varane is on the board. But this is simply not true because of the injuries - we didn't have those 2 CB all the time like in the last season.
Wolves away is the game where Ten Haag showed his style of play, when all of key players were fit and on the pitch.
Medical department and Administration is the key, and also bigger squad with players, who are suited to play this style of football.
Yess. Look i was ten hag outer once but credit where it's due, hes been great with the young talents at our club. The kids are developing well under him so why would we want to cut it short?
This podcast always makes me want to watch football, and in much more depth too. Best podcast in the business!
Harry Maguire is a quick player?? 😂😂😂😂😂
I love how '1/2 decent' showed up as a stat. Its the little things.
As a rival fan, I would like to see how far ETH can bring United to, be it back to the summit or down to the bins.
What does it mean when you say a player is "press resistant"? Obviously it means they don't lose the ball much under pressure, but what are the characteristics? First touch, body position when receiving for example might make sense - anything else?
Just like Ole said in the stick to football podcast he tried to move on from the counterattacking/transition style but the players couldn’t do it. It’s the same issue over and over again, players aren’t capable.
SO many of these players weren’t here for the Ole team though, these are a majority of ETH’s signings and the best of the Ole era combined
Weird how Postecoglou has managed it one season then and with 1/5 the net spend.
So in the past 3 to 4 seasons, Arsenal tried to sign Onana, Martinez, Kudus and Timber. I wonder why?
Yes, he MUST be asking the defense to keep a low line... Because they can't RUN. Give him two FAST CBs and see what happens next season.
good to hear someone mention rest defense in england but it is called offensive cover on the continent and it applies to more than just possession phase support players. it starts to be taught in 2v2s. so 6 year olds learn this in spain.
ten Hag winning % is higher than Arteta and on par with Klopp.
He is a good manager.
Where is JOE DEVINE? i need to be in the warm hand s and the cool embrace
The best snippets of Man United's season were when they treated a game from the start like they were loosing. Aggressive, fast-paced, like they were willing to break legs on the way to goal if there were no cards. That is not only exciting, but it is the identity Man United built over decades. You can play "modern" while keeping the personality of the club. That said, to achieve this, you need aggressive players with little regard for their own wellbeing, and with a stubbornness to never quit. Man united used to have that under Ferguson, and that was built by selecting players based on their personality as much as their technical skills. I don't see that any more. They are mostly kids with fragile minds, or glorified good-ish players who think they are better than they are. In the Fergie era, those players would be kicked out, not matter how good they were in comparison. That kind of hard-ball needs to be played again to get long-term results.
Believe it or not, weve tried to play dominating football with these players. For years we couldnt score from the tight spaces with mourihno and van gaal. Every squad would just park the bus knowing we couldnt get through the compact defense.
I may be a Liverpool fan but I always think when rival club's supporters are all praying for you to stick with a manager (as we did with OGS and Moyes), you know it's time to move on. The only trouble is if Southgate is the alternative, then it may be better the devil you know.
You high brah?
You mean like everyone was with Arteta for three years?
Lol forgetting ETH dominated you with loads of injuries last week and generated almost 5xG on your heads. Cheaper starting 11, younger 11, more academy graduates, more injuries.😂
Hang on a minute, someone's drunk the FA Cup miracle koolaid here. Liverpool dominated the match and let United off the hook, even Roy Keane admitted that. But if we do take that match as representative of ETH's United then yes, they'd be great, full of running, full of incision, but we both know that what is representative of his team so far has been blow hot blow cold.
On the injury front, Liverpool had more, or at least we do as of today (11 vs 8). It has not been injuries that have messed up United but lack of application and effort from key players that have been fit (Rashford, Fernandes, Casemiro etc) @@Nightsu
@@jamesli9380 5xG 5 big chances vs 2xG with 1 big chance. As I said liverpool only had control in the 2nd half. Its a myth that NPCs believe that Liverpool "dominated" when the biggest chances were all missed by United and almost all Liverpools goals came from huge deflections.👍Its hilarious when rival fans take ex-united legend pundit opinions seriously (when they're always negative about the team) in order back their delusional points
Manchester United should rename themselves Unchested Manited
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And you should grow up
@@TNT_12I’m 86 years old
@@magicmagic8188 Times running out then, coffin dodger.
New Owner Syndrome suggests they will bring in their own manager and staff.
As an Arsenal fan: a fantastic outcome for us would be that United, having been through painful, disruptive and expensive struggles to adapt their strategy/squad/culture to a new system and vision of football, via lots of player turnover, then bin off their manager and bring in a new boss with new ideas. I'm not even going to comment on the potential upside (for us) of that new boss being Gareth Southgate.
Give him Todibo and Ignacio, maybe Branthwaite/ Antonio Silva as well if we spend big and also definitely Neco Williams, Khepren Thuram, Brian Bobbey or anyone as a cover for Hojlund, maybe Wirtz/Olise as well if we spend big. If he still fails miserably with all the tools at his disposal then we may think of sacking him. Also, if he wins FA cup this season, he should stay there for at least the next couple of seasons
Give pep harry maguire johnny evans and varane and antony and erikson and lindleoff he ain't doing nothing