How FIFA lost their video game franchise
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In 2023, the most popular sports video game franchise in the world had to change its name. FIFA, as it was known, became EA FC.
What began simply as a negotiating position in a licensing dispute, turned into one of the costliest decisions in the history of football.
James Montague explains, illustrated by Craig Silcock.
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Moral of the video.
EA : Greedy
FIFA : Greedy and stupid.
moral of the video.
ea have been producing this game only for fifa to make profit, then ea grow balls
@davidmontgomery1442 "It's also pretty telling that EAFC is so closely associated with the FIFA license to this day that people still just call it FIFA"
"to this day"? mate, it's been 7 months. there's been one release under the new name, after 30 YEARS of releases under the FIFA name. It's not "pretty telling" at all. Give your head a wobble.
sounds about right
More accurately
EA: Greedy and stupid
FIFA: Greedy, stupid and stupid
Greedy and stupid thatâs infantino right there
Seeing EA as the less greedy company is mind boggling. đ
RIght?
they would be less greedy if they paid more for FIFA license.
â@@loockedfrenchtv7189 why though? I hate to defend EA but fans don't care about the FIFA name and it's not their job to hand FIFA money for no good reason.
Even overlooking FIFA's terrible corruption record and other general scummy behaviour, they are not owed cash for the sake of it.
They weren't less greedy, they just didn't want to pay the greed of another company
What you going on about ea are money grabbing from everyone you div
It's very rare when EA is lesser of the two evils
Facts..only FIFA and UEFA can outshine EA on that department.
EA are evil while FIFA are just a bunch of old morons.
yeah only cases where there is some one greedier but dumber
Ha! Yes. Very true!
Nah theyâre both evil.
EA just happen to hold most of the resource and win the race for now
when EA are the good guys in a story, this is truly a messed up situation we are in.
It says a lot for how bad FIFA are.
Well, EA are still charging a ridiculous amount of money for a below-par gameplay experience with cartoonish physics and player movement.
There are no good guys
FIFA is full off corrupt, greedy old seniles! Who just want to fill their pockets with money
Bunch of a-holes
I'm not sure if it's a good guy situation so much as one big corporation calling another out on BS. FIFA really thought it was 25% of the value of the EA games.
That FIFA thought they were going to out-greed EA is absolutely wild
EA always is greedy ever since 2014.
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Donât understand the greediness of FIFA they always want more,more and even more
I just hope their greed doesn't ruin the world cup by making it every two years like they've been pushing to.
Yet somehow Fifa is classified as a ânon profitâ organization
@@cyberpokey that is a lie. fifa is not classified as a non profit organisation
â@@cyberpokey it's simple. The people at the head of FIFA line their own pockets until there's no profit left.
and then even more than that. it is incredible tbh
Meanwhile, Football Manager goes on silently as the best of them all.
Do you actually play in that game? Or are the games just simulated
â@adventurerwannabe they are live simulations. It's the true experience of being a manager. You set your club and team up for success and you watch from the sidelines and make tactical adjustments that you hope your players listen to. Its better than fifa to me because I can't just control the players and make them play my way. I have to pick a team and tactics that will lead the game to be played in a way I want... and even then, we may go down and I will have to adjust my tactics or trust that my team will work their way into the game. You are a manager, not an omnipotent God like character that controls every player on the field lol
thats like comparing chess to gta. completely different games.
@@finn56950 yeah. Sounds cool but its something totally different
@@adventurerwannabethe gameplay is setting up the tactics and running the club, basically you play both as the manager and the director of football.
If fifa is trying to simulate being Messi then FM is trying to simulate being Pep Guardiola.
It's not only about greediness, FIFA overestimated the importance of its name.
Probably a more accurate assessment of this đ
They literally asked for more money
@@mahshshsrklingfa7031asking for more money works fine if you have something of value. The main point here is how laughably narcissistic FIFA leadership is to think that only a football game with their name on it can sell, and that their 4 letters were the most important part of the product. Truly out of touch with what the average person thinks of their brand.
EA and FIFA deserve each other
Football fans and gamers deserve far better
With the money the latters freely gives the formers, no they don't
They all deserve each other
Facts, this why I stop buying FIFA back in 2018
we all shouldve supported PES. now theyre dying and desperate to challenge EA by making their own Ultimate Team with eFootball... which i would say is the worst football game ever, even compared to FIFA...
and 2k is just the same ahha
PES was just as greedy lol Missed some of the disasters with that franchise, did we?
Yeah, Konami never makes bad decisions. Remember, Pachinko > Metal Gear đđđđ
the best part is that if FIFA had asked for a 5 or 10% increase on their existing deal, EA would have probably accepted
3:25 "Creative, innovative and experimental". That's a fraudulent thing said by EA. It's like Jessi Lingard saying he's better than Messi and Ronaldo.
"more gambling modes for kids" is the laymans terms.
@@eddouglasđŻ
...In the marketplace. Which they are by barely developing their game and getting kids hooked on gambling. Actually they even sabotage their own product to drive everyone in the gambling game mode and tilt it in the favor of those who pay up. That's being really inventive in marketplace.
But they are.
They are creative when its time to name store packs at least...
I disagree with the statement that says the difference between PES and FIFA came in 2008.
Maybe from a statistical point of view, but PES was still strong up until 2014, with the terrible PES 2014, and the FOX Engine games killed the saga. The EFootball rebrand is just the coffin for the belated PES
Donât think heâs saying that. PES was still strong, but FIFA got even stronger
I think he's saying that 2008 is when EA really ramped up their policy of stealing from PES.
â@@omgblastbeatslolYes, Once the PS3/360 came out FIFA basically destroyed PES from then on.
â@@JYM60yeah I stopped playing Pes when I started playing on the PS3
The point is that the 360/PS3 era was the beginning of the end. PES was blatantly superior in the PS2 era (PES 2-6) but the latter games were mediocre relatively speaking (PES 2008-10) while the games afterwards (PES 11-14) were terrible, especially when compared to FIFA which was exploding thanks to Ultimate Team. PES 15 was the start of a mini renaissance, PES 16 and onwards really was a new golden age in terms of gameplay - but alas, it was all a little too late, as the commercial war was long lost. The eFootball rebrand itself wasn't an issue, the half-assed F2P change in direction was...
Football Manager is where the good stuff is at. FIFA turned to garbage ever since they added cards and made it into a gambling app rather than a fun football game it was before
Its not a video about the game. Its about a business dispute.
Thereâs been cards for more than a decade so youâre pretty far off
2013 was the last good fifa.
How did this even get 51 likes? You can buy cards since forever.
FM and EA FC are two completely different types of games, it's stilly to compare them
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall as Gianni Infantino found out that games can't be made in a few months.
Also the complete indifference of fans to the lack of a FIFA logo must sting a little too.
I think even more than indifference, a lot of fans actively dislike FIFA for their very obvious corruption and greed
What infantino and his cronies donât realise is that not giving money to fifa is an incentive for fans to buy EA FC đ
@@GuyJames such a shame that the irony of that statement is lost on pretty much every fan out there
Especially if the rights were to go to a company like 2K where the game would then have to be built from the ground upđđđ
Infantino is a pure politician he just says things to please. Things that aren't practical at all, look at the nonsense he done with the world cup 42 teams honestly. The world cup is a free for all as for EA well....
Just when you tought Blatter was the worst, along came Infantino.
It's not about being practicable, but profitable.
I see nothing wrong with having 42 in the WC
â@@patanouketgersiflet9486 infantino, blatter, platini all corrupt to the core. Really wish Figo had won football would have been the focus.
@@clinton_x Sure, why not 84? Let's have a competition with dozens upon dozens of countries that last monthS, plural.
EA vs FIFA is like the Wrestlemania main event to determine who's the biggest greedy bustardđ
nope. smackdown and raw is created by the same guy .
Imagine having zero leverage, getting hundreds of millions essentially for free and ruining the deal because you want more free money.
20 billion dollars is bottomless money
Million. Unless I missed a part.
â@@snoopyguy21go to 0:19
0:49
Do you have any idea how many Shrek 2 dvds I could buy with that kind of money?
@@spacespino huh? Why would do that
It's wild that FIFA (the organization) thought they had a strong position to bargain from. Most average people wouldn't know who they were without the video game named after them
That's not true
@@jesuspinto9805 I suspect that if you told people UEFA, CONCACAF and CONMEBOL were sexually transmitted infections, or rival factions in an obscure civil war, they wouldn't argue with you!
LOL, what? Everyone who seriously follows football knows what FIFA is, and that's a lot more people than the people who play the game.
False
I rather play FIFA 14 than FC 24 and just download a mod to replace generic teams with licensed ones.
hi Goldie Lemmon
Why is that? Genuine question
NOT FIFA 14! I ended up snapping the disc because of all the offsides it was giving! Could not pass forward without it being offside!
@@sregginetahi999 The gameplay was really good in fifa 14, players have physics, animations are not broken. FC24 has the worst gameplay of the last 15 years of the fifa franchise.
or we could just ask konami to make pes great again , even if we havent had the rights of the names . as the gameplay every season is better than fifa lul
But the thing is PES(Now efootball 2024) has fallen off massively
Agreed. I stopped playing after they changed their name.
And still better than EAFC in terms of gameplay
â@@farhi411 yeah , if you like playing a game that feels 2 console generations behind
you should try smokepatch's football life. basically pes' gameplay with licencing (modded of course)
Well I still hope for redemption, as the general concept for the gameplay, progress in FUT-like mode and ideas are far better than EA's. Big streamers are tired of FC24 already, so some may shift and show the other game to wider public. Compare emotions of NickRTFM between when he plays FC and eFootball. I think there lays massive potential, but Konami needs to full send into market, add more modes, listen to the community more and they will get it. Also there comes new football games in UFL and Goals, so finally maybe by collective effort we make EA actually invest in the game more and it will only profit whole community, coz right now for PS5-gen we didn't really have a fun football game.
FIFA and greed has been best friends for years, only now that it backfires them
One keep point that was glossed over is that EA has a monopoly over the licensing. So even if FIFA were to release a new competing football game, it would still face all the issues that the PES series had.
maybe fifa has a way to go around that obstacle
Gamers want real player and club names. Any games having fantasy clup and player names will fail.
@@hamzaadib9927 they do not.
FIFA would also have to pay for advertising, distribution, and other costs EA was paying that had nothing to do with development.
@@jonahfalcon1970 wouldnât that be passed to itâs new publisher?
All the people that hated on PES were just console owners. I played both growing up but PES was always the King (quite literally too). Only console players hated it due to licensing but if you had a PC, the PES community solved just about every issue with mods.
Where do you think most of the players were? Back in those days consoles were the easy, and less expensive way to get into games. So consoles had all the casuals. All the casuals cared for was that the people and teams looked like.
I still play PES 3. For me it's not even about the licensing. I just love the physics of it. Also have PES 21 with mod, but often prefer playing 3 instead without any.
Can't say i fully agree, but yeah, mainly stick with 21's mods these days
And that's part of the reason that PES could never and will never be able to compete. The majority of football gamers are on console. It doesn't not matter if PC football gamers can just mod the missing teams when console gamers who make up the largest amount of buyers can't.
PES is great I used to play before FIFA. But Pes lacks skill moves and the authenticity of fifa game was amazing with career mode with managing real clubs with real stadiums and all feels so great.
Would rather play FIFA 06 than any FIFA of the past 10 or so years....
As it's gone on, the game's just gotten more annoying. I have 19 and 22 here and I got so annoyed at 22 that I just went back and started up a new career in '19 and I've been SO much happier with that.
Fact. Fifa 08 my fav.
Fifa 14 and 17 are hall of fame candidates too
Personally, Pro Evolution Soccer 2016 is my go to football game.
I still play 7, 16 and 99. Most fun.
Pro Evo / winning eleven was the better game hands down. So good in the early days.
Tldr;
Money.
Yeah but that's the answer to anything in football, sometimes adding a little more feels better
"We need a level of freedom to be truly creative, innovative, and experiment in the market place." - The guy who manages the company who's known for repackaging the same games year after year with the only real innovations being new ways to turn a game into a pay to play scenario.
To be fair⊠those games are fifa and madden⊠which they donât actually own madden being the NFL and Fifa being fifa.
So technically, his statement just pushes the blame to the license holders.
For example Need for speed is definitely a different game every time⊠not that the game is good but it is different
@@RusticRonnie They split from Fifa and pushed out FC24, which is repackaged Fifa 23..
So.. yea.
Asking for the partnership deal to jump from 150mil to 1 billion is beyond insaneđ€Łđ€Ł
Fifa banked on the world cup yet they were still greedy enough to ask for 1billion over the next four years just to use their nameđ
1 billion over 4 years is 250mil per year, 100mil increase. But still a huge increase with no benefit to EA.
As long as they have licensing deals with the leagues and UEFA why would it matter to have FIFA in the name.
Itâs nice to see someone who actually understands this.
This is what âcalling your bluffâ looks like at the highest stakes tables
3:29 The only thing EA is creative and innovative about are Store packs in UT and the most expensive ones are close to $50 per ONE pack (which is basically the price of the base game on release in september)
I know dumb gamer takes are vibrant cottage industry, but surely you're only pretending that you missed that it was the prolonged approval process with the rights holder that was the problem, right?
@@HerrCron Nah I'm just talking about how EA is a dogshit company who treats their biggest and most loyal playerbase as an ATM machines
That first FIFA on the Mega Drive was immense. Stone cold classic.
Fifa messed up big time. They thought they were contributing to the game's success far more than they actually were and got shown up massively
Love the animation in this video - keep up the good work
EA saying they need freedom to be creative and then releasing the same game since 2011 is hilarious lol
i miss old pro evo...it was such a good game...cracked versions on a PS2 with modded team and playernames on a memory card...good times
I actually thought the lack of an official license was part of the PES charm back then. Playing the Champions Cup final between Rekordmeister and West London Blue, with player-names like Cristiano 'Ronarid, Roberto Larcos, and Ruud vom Mistelroum ... Good times indeed.
The fact they can make even EA look good says a lot about FIFA...
4:49
During the Asian cup in 2024, there was also an Asian cup eSport, it was played on efootball
@tifo im not sure if yall made a video on this yet, but ive notice a lot of teams struggling to find shirt sponsors. Definitely could do a vid on that
As a novice game developer FIFA severely underestimated what it takes to make a video game
The real life incarnation of a self serving narcissist couple splitting.
TLDR, EA was swimming in FIFA money and FIFA said gimme more.
Imagine being so greedy that you fumble a free bag đ. Whatâs funny is that now EA can use that money to secure more individual leagues/teams licenses
Would love to play a 2K football game, EA needs some competition to keep it honest, they are the winners of a 1 horse race each year.
2K sports franchises are just as bad as EA's, same causes ( ie endless greed and complete disregard for anything that isn't immediate profit ) leads to the same consequences
â@@patanouketgersiflet9486true but that's mostly due to no competition.. when nba had competition from fifa there was atleast some improvement now its just more sweat.
So comp from 2k would atleast cause an improvement at some front.. 2k career modes are fun too so theres that
@@wearyolive76 NBA? competition from FIFA? 2 different sports, how's that competition?
2K getting into football can only be a good thing,
Since the gap widened on PES, EA Sports have been resting on their laurels more and more, the quality control of the last few games in particular, including EAFC24 have been nothing short of abysmal, with replicable, often game-breaking bugs and broken features that any semi-competent playtesting team would have ironed out on the first run, somehow persisting across multiple releases, particularly in the game's now severely neglected career modes.
I'd go as far as to describe the EA Sports development team as the ONLY team in an industry defined by poor labour conditions and crunch cycles to be practically stealing their wages, because there's no real man hours going into these games anymore.
the game's still selling because there's no real alternative for that football gaming fix
either 2K provide a more competent alternative, or EA are forced to actually exert some effort again to stave off the erosion of their monopoly.
How rare EA are actually the good guys for a change
There are no good guys
Compared to Fifa yea
@@bnosagazConpaed to Fifa yea
FIFA game sucks, charging huge sums of money for same game every year
Yeah they always rush out a new game year on year. If they spaced them out over 2-3 years the sales would take a hit but the experience would vastly improved. Maybe that's what the EA CEO meant by FIFA holding them back. Making them rush out titles, but then again, it's EA.
That's EAs doing.
But they have to give licensing money every year to clubs, so everyone is greedy..
@@doctortech001 and the clubs give that money to the players. The licensing fee from FIFA is separate from the money given to clubs and players.
Not really, only idiots pay full price for fifa, i brought a key for ÂŁ17 6 weeks after release, its the most discounted game every year, havent paid more ÂŁ20 for fifa in years, you just have to wait a month or two after release
Can you Show ist how to make suh good animations?
Bc I May wann start smth like this too
Interesting analysis
The fact that fifa managed to let arguably their biggest cash cow go because theywhere unable to match EA's demands is almost humourus
2K taking over FIFA and launching alongside the 2026 world cup in the US would be prefect. They know how to make sports games and the only company that could compete with EA
Agree that '26 would be an opportunity but after their last few releases they would have to come out the gates very strong
1:31 Not sure why your showing a SNES controller for a game that started out on the Mega Drive.
Thanks for highlighting the point that PES forced FIFA to step its gameplay up to what we know now. Early FIFAâs gameplay was⊠đ
MAKE PES GREAT AGAIN
Pro Evo 3 was an absolute revelation when i picked it up as a child for the first time after years of playing fifa.
I think EA outsmarted FIFA because the deals are exclusive so if any other game actually wants to make a FIFA 24 they wouldn't have actual teams or players
Also Its my opinion
Any story that ends with "and Fifa lost a big chunk of money" is a good story.
In terms of Fifas own competition to EAs fifa it screams of cooperate types who have no clue how to set up a team for a game of that magnitude and thought it would be a straight forward process
I can picture some poor person at FIFA having to slowly walk Gianni Infantino and the others through the process of game development.
Betting on Kolkata today on 4 RAB, those points are just piling up! Planning to snag that new iPhone
All this money yet they can't afford a better server better stable gameplay smh
I still mostly play PES 3.
Loving these daily missions on 4 RAB. They really up the excitement for the IPL matches, plus the rewards are top-notch!
I liked gameplay of pes and graphics of fifa hope in future we will able to see a game with both qualities
It sounds like it was EAâs decision more than FIFAâs.
FIFA Vs. EA. Whoever wins, we lose.
Winning Eleven was developed by Konami Tokyo in 94-95, whilst International Superstar Soccer had been developed years earlier by Konami Computer Entertainment Osaka. Every time WE is mentioned, there's a persistent myth that ISS somehow preceeded WE, when in fact they existed concurrently during the mid-90's.
1:43 did he say the game had been âyappingâ đđ
PES was definitely better until 2020. A realistic nuanced gameplay is always better than an arcade game with all the licenses.
I agree with you, but the majority don't unfortunately.
Hope FIFA comes back
FIFA didn't understand that the name FIFA isn't what was bringing people to the game. The game modes of Ultimate Team and Pro Clubs were always way bigger than the name on the cover
Why was this thumbnail so satisfyingđđ
Now I am waiting for Madden and NBA to get pissy at EA. What do you think those games will be renamed as when it happens?
1. EA hasn't put out an NBA game since Live 19. 2K are the ones putting out NBA games now.
2. Madden is a similar situation to FIFA in that the name isn't the main selling point; it's the license with the NFL. If the Madden estate asks for too much, I can easily see EA changing their name to NFL Ultimate Team 25 or whatever.
â@@aceking_offsuit I'm pretty sure EA bought the rights to use his name and likeness in perpetuity for a lump sum about a decade ago.
Rare EA W
The merch store is lit this year. Copped a t-shirt with just my winnings from last week's IPL bets on IPL Rewards
Fifa scored an own goal. The console game helped growth of Football and Fifa brand in the US and far East
2K won't be able to compete with EA. Unless they make Fifa focused on gameplay and features, but not monitisation. 2K is just as bad if not worse than EA when it comes to this stuff, not to mention their NBA games are absolutely panned for being cash cows
It ruined wrestling games for me.
PES used to have better gameplay and physics than the old FIFAs did, but they still could never compete with EA's FIFA games because they couldnât get the rights to players and clubs. It won't matter if 2K makes a superior game when EA holds the exclusive rights to many of the Top 5 football leagues.
Isn't this the 2nd vid on the topic?
Barcelona is trying to pull a similar stunt with Nike. Let's see how that blows up in their face too.
That though is less of a gamble--different branded shirt and shoes is a lot easier to make than a video game franchise.
@@semicolonenthusiast1354 Thinking you can outdo Nike and their retail network built over 5 decades overnight? And you're doing that with borrowed future earnings and billions in debt?? Good luck
The success of the game is because of the previous years and growth not because EA FC 24 is a good product if they want to retain their audience thry have to fix so many issues with this game
Imagine 2K sign deal with FIFA be like:
2K have many franchises
*MotoGP 2K (If Milestone acquired by Take Two from Embracer)
*FIFA 2K
*NBA 2K
*Top Spin 2K
*WWE 2K
*PGA Tour 2K
*Hot Wheels Unleashed (published by 2K and developed by Milestone)
*Monster Jam (published by 2K developed by Milestone)
Imagine MotoGP vs F1 games which between Milestone vs Codemasters and 2K vs EA and also Take Two acquire Milestone will be the best acquisition ever made.
I can Imagine 2K vs EA be like
FIFA 2K vs EA FC
MotoGP 2K vs EA F1
Even makes Milestone acquired by Take Two Interactive is absolute crazy after acquiring Gearbox Software which another company which become Embracer hit list from Take Two
In all honesty, many of the things that FIFA does is to get financial gain. That should stop. Otherwise, people will watch other sports.
No mention of lack of innovation in every EA game basically scamming consumers with new skins.
Infantino: We'll make a FIFA game in less than 2 years!
Developers: Sure, buddy.
Hope FIFA joins forces with Konami.
How will Konami manage to pay what FIFA was asking?
Nah, Konami better off not dealing with the grubs at fifa
Konami and FIFA would need a revenue or profit split deal, I imagine. Even them FIFA will still want too much money and control. FIFA's demands were greater than the value they brought to EA's series, I can't imagine they will lower them too much for the next developer.
Either way the biggest problem will be the licensing of players, clubs and leagues. EA FC sales show people don't care about the FIFA name.
Konami is making some good money recently but it's not enough to buy a 150 million a year license đ€Ł. They not even makes more money than pubg and pubg died 3 years ago đ.
PES used to have better gameplay and physics than the old FIFAs did, but they could never compete because they couldnât get the rights to players and clubs. Now that EA has the exclusive rights to the Prem, LaLiga, Bundesliga, PSG, Juve and other smaller leagues.
How are FIFA and Konami going to compete if they can't even get 3 of the top 5 leagues and many others in their game when the game console crowd isn't able to just mod them in and are the biggest buyers of football games?
FC24 Wasnât good imo, Iâll probably be playing FIFA 2K next year
EA having competition might make them refocus on gamplay
Well, it really didn't matter. The franchises best days were behind them long before this ever happened, especially in terms of the actual quality of the games.
The best FIFA games were FIFA 13 and 14, in fact in the last 10 years since FIFA 14, only one other FIFA game cracks the top 10 and thats FIFA 17 in 8th place on the list.
So in the last 10 years, only 1 FIFA game has actually managed to break the FIFA top 10 games list. Fairly certain that eventually, the relationship would have ended one way or another.
Could probably also mean the end of the FIFA world cup game serie. From 1998 fifa world cup video game to 2022 fifa world cup video game
I swear, only FIFA would be able to make us be sympathetic towards EA
Always looking for ways to get the players to dispense with more money. Too much focus on FUT and not enough on the actual gameplay or indeed other modes
Really sorry to hear that PES has fallen from a cliff. Pes 20 and 21 were really nice
The hubris of FIFA to think that they can create a game from nothing in a year is astonishing.
As a Fifa Player on the Switch, that was the best thing to ever happen!
No Legacy Edition anymore wahooooođ
I was always a PES fan back in the day. The licensing is always good with EA, but if 2K get involved I think Iâll definitely be checking it out.
the NBA games are great.
Today, I feel like a Video Game Developer
There is currently a company backed by CR7 and KDB who are making a competitor called UFL (Ultimate Football League) and have already made a deal with FIFpro for licencing player images. If the game comes out (after 2 years of delays) and is actually good, FIFA might just run over there instead of bothering with 2K.
So UFL in Asia be like:
Published by Capcom and compete against eFootball
Imagine in North American release be like:
UFL name changed into ULS which developee by Strikerz Inc. published by Square Enix
UFL donât actually have many or any licenses though. Itâs just a FUT clone.
Didnât you make a video similar to this previously?
Very informative. Great work
When anyone associated with EA tell you they are trying to be "creative, innovative, experimental" - they are lying to your face on all counts.
I played FIFA 99, 01, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 12, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20... I honestly see no evolution since FIFA 15 or 16 and by FIFA20 i just decided I will not play another EA Football Game unless they ACTUALLY change something other than graphics or more lootboxing gameplay with more ingame purchases.
I love the football genre and Football Manager completely delivers for me, but sometimes i dont want to play as a manager. And unfortunately it seems there is no good game to play "as a player"