Winter Impact on F150 Lightning - More Than Just Range
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2022
- F150 Lightning cold weather range and winter battery performance is the topic but I go deeper into talking about the power loss in the winter especially if you do not plug in your EV. Seeing headlines like "new test reveals electric cars are practically unusable in winter" is extreme but it does impact the performance of the truck. I will keep testing like this video this winter and see if Ford F-150 Lighting is the best electric car for cold weather.
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A friend has an XLT SR and lives 20 miles south of Charlotte, NC. The week of Thanksgiving he drove 78 miles from his house at 29° and used 80% of his battery. Going from 230 miles of range to ~100 doesn't cut it for most.
Imagine actually buying this thing, especially now that it's on its third price increase, and then trying to resell it in 5 years
@@danb308 I'd rather not...... Some things are too nasty to contemplate.....
If I can't get an effective range of 400 miles in all conditions, I'm not interested.
@@RMSTitanicWSL lol then we are the same type of consumers; aka smart shoppers 😎
BINGO !
That is why sales are STUCK at 3%-4% and 25% of those buyers go BACK to gasoline cars and trucks !
My F150 4wd with a 5.0 Coyote engine averaged 22 mpg in the eco mode on a 1400 mile trip last winter 760 mile range on a full tank. Ice ice baby.
My 76 Chevy pickup with a cammed 454, headers, 750 demon carb, and manual transmission got 16 at 70 mph (3.23 rear gear) 40 years later it's only up by 6? All that tech, all those years of "improvement"? And that's all ya get? Maybe it's because my full size truck is smaller than today's economy trucks. They have only convinced you it's better and sold you the same shit
My 14 5.0 gets 17.6 mpg on highway. 114k miles never did anything but oil changes.
And lots of places, especially in the northern states and Canada, can see temperatures SIXTY DEGREES COLDER THAN THIS...
There is SO much about this tech that's not ready for the mainstream, yet!
The EV maybe the truck of the future but I’ll keep my internal combustion trucks for the present!
EVs only good for in-town driving.
Let's hook up a plow bet ya it fails as a plow truck. I live in Buffalo.
@@jfsoutdooradventures2384 I hear you, I went to school in Brockport in the late seventies, I know what snow is all about. BTW I have three trucks I plow with, couldn’t imagine an EV truck handling that workload!
@Donald Leider, that sounds like a sensible plan! I've already seen "Hoovie" do a video in cold weather using the Lightning he had for a short time. He towed an empty trailer and then the trailer loaded with his small classic car. IIRC the small car weighed maybe 1,500 lbs and the trailer may have been about 1,100 lbs. I want to say he lost around 50%+ of range as a result. I've also seen a video where "new charging stations" were built and it was cold/snowing and suddenly people couldn't even charge because the stations were malfunctioning.
This guy said he turned on the heat ~5mins before leaving so it'd be like remote starting but Id like to see more testing on this, which clearly the heater was soaking up the juice...
So I wonder how much range would drop with an electric vehicle's heater system heating the interior to a comfy temp in various outside temperatures and the amount of time it takes to achieve the desired temp, comparative to an average combustion engine vehicle of comparable size. I mean some of us recently saw negative double digit temps when we got up in the morning to go out... Also how much is the range reduced by running the AC on hot summer days to get the car cooled down from the sometimes 180°+ interior temps... The fact is, these all-electrics are still NOT practical and they're hardly "saving da planiiit!!" when they're utilizing power for charging which is still largely generated from the consumption of fossil fuels. Can't forget the toxic lithium for the batteries & the high sale prices, gov't subsidies to lower that cost and then insurance/tax which likely are still very high but I imagine they offer subsidies as incentives for people to buy them all at net-contributing taxpayer/subscriber expense.
We also have to consider that before the winter cold hit, California was pushing it's "ALL-ELECTRIC!!" agenda but then quickly told consumers, "PLEASE DON'T CHARGE YOUR CARS NOW!! THE POWER GRID IS OVERLOADED FROM THE HEATWAVE!!" And how do they "think" this will "improve" with shutting down more coal/natural gas power plants WHILST simultaneously "DUMPING COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLES AND PUTTING ALL-ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON THE ROADS!!" and thereby needing to tax the power grid even more. It's a $$$ racket because we see these same "activists" still utilizing the climate control systems in their palatial palaces and places of business, being chauffeured in their combustion engine motorcades, taking flights on air-polluting private jets to travel THOUSANDS of miles to "receive an environmental conservation award"... Absolutely hypocritical.
-22 F. (-30c). I’ll be sticking to my nice warm gas Silverado 2001 6.0L. All the power all the time baby !!
The same here with my Hemi 2021 Ram 1500 Limited Longhorn.
‘09 Ram here, and I’ll keep my gas engine!!!
Sorry, the government won't let you keep it. Elected officials and bureaucrats invested heavily in these technologies, they want their profit margins... Even if it kills the grid...
Is that something to boast about?
@@peasantsarerevolting9343 don't think that's how investments work
I park outside and the last couple of days it’s been -20F. It’s been bad enough I actually had to put my regular car batteries on trickle chargers. I know I don’t live where most people live, but I feel like the technology is still very far away from banning gas powered vehicles.
Think your right, the way you do it if the time comes is but a new vehicle, and get grandfathered in if you will, before the ban of gasoline cars and trucks happens because someday it will. My new 22 Tacoma sr 4x4 will probably outlive me, I hope we don't see the day that you will be forced to buy something you don't want EVs are for the birds! Peace.....
Biden and company will decide what you can drive, how far, and when.
Canada wants all EV sales by 2035, in the south parts of Canada it might work, weather is the same as Chicago, but northern parts like Quebec and Manitoba, where it goes -40 how the F- are these EV’s going to roll?
@@matthewd.1474 , how they gonna roll? Right onto the backs of combustion engine powered tow trucks like many of them are now due to people not planning trips properly as well as unexpected weather events and power station charging issues.
Guys we know that politicians and their elitist criminal cohorts are trying to exert even more control over the populous but all of this is absolute nonsense. It's not to be ignored because they are control freaks with an agenda but it's up to "WE THE PEOPLE" to fight back & it starts with elections of local to fed reps. Going beyond that is where it will get increasingly nasty but it is a likely scenario.
As for combustion engines, there are still such engines powering flight as well as sea faring vessels and I'm pretty sure that the Presidential motorcade of one Joe Bribery is NOT "all-electric now". Certainly AF1 and AF2 are not and yet that fool just had the "Omnibus bill" FLOWN out to the Virgin Islands for him to sign whilst thousands of citizens sit in airports or have to find alternate ways to get to their destinations. Talk about HYPOCRISY when it comes to "ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND THE REDUCTION OF FOSSIL FUEL POLLUTION!!" but then Transportation Secretary Buttgig is surely handling things right, "pressuring" airlines, "You should be flying people to their destinations or issuing refunds [you meanies]!!" -_-
Loved how you filmed it from in the truck! It’s also cool that you don’t have a fancy trim or have home charging available. More realistic use cases for the masses
Maybe next year it gets a heated tailgate so you don't get cold hands pushing it home
The upscale models come with a ICE vehicle to pull it
We had a -50C windchill last night here in Canada, I wonder how much range and power it would lose at these temperatures?
You wouldn't make it out of your driveway.
Wind chill doesn't affect the temperature of objects. In other words, the object won't get any colder than the actual temperature.
@@Cannibal440 ya, it was a balmy -40 C without windchill here in Canada .... My ICE worked without fault, ran for over 40 hours without stopping, thanks to work issues with the cold (even when the power went out for hours) .... But seriously, we do have real weather issues, that need to be considered. Running out of energy in the middle of the prairies at -40 (with 60km/h winds), is not tenable.
It's planning, I travel between Regina and Saskatoon, charging station 1/2 between, I have a ER Lightning , and in non -20 or lower weather, I get to my destination using~60% charge doing avg 120km/hr. Now in the winter deep freeze, anything at-20 or lower, I lose around 40% range, heat is a big draw. I'm not disappointed or anything, I knew the trade off, I had a 2015 platinum new, and in under 7 years I put on over 330k on it, in 2016 I spent over $17k in fuel. For me a EV was about saving $$ , period. And I have, 10mons later, I've spent just under 2300 on charging stations and at home, and I just rolled over 21,000 km.
I still have a 2020 Jag FPace ICE though, just incase
@@brandoncaswell5907Neither is running out of gas.
Any type of vehicle is effected by colder temperatures, gas, diesel or electric. My diesel truck warms up slowly but once warm it holds the heat due to a front cover. I preheat the engine with a block heater in my garage.
I have seen the rats nest of plumbing in the Lightning and it scares me.
Good luck with your truck.
We ordered three standard range Lightnings for work which should be here in March. This is good information. My estimates were that we'd get about 1/2 the stated range in the winter but the loss of indicated power is something I hadn't considered so thanks for providing that information.
What a waste of a ppp loan
Perhaps if you'd stop listening to the ev zealots and climate change alarmists, you would have thought about this before making a reservation on a vehicle costing tens of thousands of dollars but then again stupid is as stupid does 😂
Way to conform to the man... What a waste of money should have bought a gas f150 or ram 100
Where do you work the government?? 😆
You ordered THREE! WHY? Do you hate your money.
I like your video style! Keep it up! Thanks for all the great info on the Lightning!
These are toys for the city crowd that does not haul loads or do any blue collar work. Here in the real world of building, bad roads , trailer hauling, firewood collecting, long distances between jobs and cold weather this type of vehicle wouldn't even come in second place to my 2006 ford with 200k miles. When people really wise up to the limitations of these battery packs and the the cost to replace when they're used up they will want the gas burner back regardless of age.
I'll be dammed to pay that much money and describe my ownership as "suffering"
Very good content and you covered some very good info that needs to be talked about. Thanks for sharing
Can’t lie, no idea how u only have 3k subs. Just watched every video, great content and quality!!!
The real question is what is the replacement cost for a new battery when the time comes.
I want to know how much real cold affects an EV. -15 is a typical winter morning around here. -20 is not uncommon and most winters have a couple -30 mornings.
we are on rolling electric blackouts currently due to the brutal winter blast here in tn. This doesnt look good for electric vehicles as the grid cant even handle people running their heat. Its the same with ac in summer.
Tow 5,000 lbs at -20 F. temps, you're looking at about 1/5 or less of shown miles from all the vids I've seen. So, charge showing 200 miles, you'll get around 25-40 miles.
What a joke.
@@jldude84
Reality is not a joke.
Delusion is a joke
I’m highly considering an F-150 Lightning but will be moving to a colder climate about the time I buy my next truck. So this series is right on time for me. Thank you for putting yourself through this so we can make more informed decisions.
ALL EV have this issues very easy fix. keep it plugged in at night to the charger and set a departure time in the app so it pre condition the battery before you need to leave and also get the cabin warmed up for you, My 22 Tesla Model X Plaid as the same issue. New EV owners are blowing this way out of control.. Just all need to work together and Educate people
@@Evilclocker You just made a whole lot of bad assumptions about both my statement and knowledge base on EVs. I am interested in the full winter experience of this SPECIFIC vehicle when nightly charging is not always an option, since my SPECIFIC use cases would commonly necessitate driving after no charge nights.
I am well aware of the effects cold has on modern batteries and their power storage/power delivery. But how this SPECIFIC vehicle preforms under the conditions he’s putting it through will go a large way to informing me if it fits MY needs in a PICKUP. If it can’t meet certain thresholds under these conditions, it won’t do me much good. If it can, it becomes a very viable option for me.
Please save your “education” for someone that’s asking to receive it next time.
@@MxRelli sorry tried to help. All EV suffer same issue. Not F150 exclusive. Seems EV not good option currently
@@MxRelli Not sure what time frame we are looking at, but if you are buying your next truck in three or more years from now, might be worth considering a Tesla Cybertruck with more range, more power, way faster charging on a far superior charging system, more towing, higher max load, better efficiency and better heating and cooling systems...and it will never rust and keeps your safe from stray bullets. You would want to make a reservation now...
Those “advantages” have not been tested or proven on the cyber truck. Besides I could not stand to this look at that POS in my driveway
Your F-150 Lightning office Rocks!! Seriously blown away by it. Nice to know about the difference with cold weather. I’m planning semi cold weather trip in Jan and trying to make a round trip in an ER for about 200 miles. Will have to see the temps when time gets here. Great content!
Hey thanks Mario! My office is little chilly these days 😁. That’s a decent distance for a trip. If the truck is warm before you depart, should be much better. I plan on doing one long distance test soon.
You are "Planning" a 200 mile trip... I did 200 miles yesterday mate in 25 degrees.. didnt even think about it..
@@markpace9400 hey Mark. Haha I hope those miles were either for fun or for a job. For me yeh these videos take so much time to make. Gotta film all the required details and get the facts right. I try not to wing any of my videos. So for next long range video I am planning.
@@markpace9400 I go round trip (250 miles) to my office and back at a 4K elevation where I keep my Lightning garaged. I’m bringing it home to Lake Tahoe today and keeping it here not garaged and that will be a different test of the cold at 6200k. I’ll report back here. At the moment it’s showing 91% @ 208 miles at 4K in a very cold garage.
Hi Sev. I also have an XLT SR. Last month in November I got an average of about 2.1 miles per KWh with temperatures in the 30’s and 40’s Fahrenheit. Like you, I used the heater minimally. I predict I’ll probably be getting about 1.6 to 1.8 miles per kWh when temperatures drop in the teens. So far, for the last 2 1/2 months, I’ve been averaging about 2.4 miles per kWh doing mostly city driving.
Cold weather turns it into the Ford F150 Static
Im getting my XLT SR soon. Super pumped. Im in Seattle, winter is not as harsh but definitely keeping an eye on this series. My truck was a mannequin, got it MSRP though. Cant complain but My dealer drilled the bumper on my truck too! Did you fix those holes or just leave them be? Debating leaving the license plate or fixing the holes for a cleaner look.
What happens to the range on this vehicle if you run the heat in the winter? AAA suggest it cuts it in half.
I live in Maine and I have the standard range battery as well. I do not have a garage and I do not charge at home. I am curious to see how it goes this winter.
So you probably drink Slurpee when it’s 19 degrees but we will find out how the truck does this winter differently than most people. 😁 I cut this part out to make this video short, but the starting operating temperature of the charger is -22 F. The vehicle battery was also tested at -40 F. We should be ok.
@@EVTruckLOG I do drink frozen coffees all winter long 😅.
I’m in Maine too. Charge outside my house. Feeling a bit less power. But usually only get to 95 or 92 percent loss. Def hit to range.
I'm certain I wouldn't have purchased my lightning platinum or any all electric vehicle if I couldn't charge at home. I just don't believe it would be worth it, if I had to pay $.31 to $.43 per kwh. Currently I pay $.075/kwh in winter & $.12/kwh summer. With avg 1.7/mpk that's $.044/mile winter & avg 2/mpk that's $.06/mile summer. I normally don't compare this to gas prices, just how much I'm paying per mile. For nearly a 7000 lb vehicle these are low operating costs, not even considering the little to no maintenance that's required.
I decided to get the truck because I get free charging at work. I live 40 miles from work and I go in 5 days a week. Currently I only charge there. I have the option to charge at home if I need to, I just have not needed to yet. For my situation it seemed like a good idea to get the truck.
This was a solid explanation; you hit all the main points and get high marks for accuracy!
Can you repeat for the people with an L2 at home that pre-heat their batteries? Bonus points if you can sum up what that added to the electrical consumption.
no way this truck can pull my snowmobiles 250 miles in the cold without adding 6 hours on a 3 hour trip. electric got a long way to go.
Would add 1 hour
I wonder how this would work in Wisconsin 😂. I had my van on the other day ago. -17f to start at 6am with the heat cranking drove about 170 miles. And got shut off at 9 pm.
Thank you for these videos. I bought a mach e select sr for the following reasons; 1 it was available and 2 to see if I could get by with the smaller battery since the price increases with the lightning. I too lost range during the winter months however I am able to condition the battery since I charge at home. After a year and a half wait it looks like my lightning will be here any day now. My experience with the select allowed me the confidence to order the sr battery even with the temps here in Delaware.
Great video. I'm a little concerned with the fact that the Lightning loses so little battery in cold weather. You'd think that it losing almost no battery % overnight would be a good thing, but there should be some if the vehicle is keeping the battery at a good temperature. Hopefully Ford has a lot of data on this and the BMS is programmed to keep the battery healthy.
You are concerned about nothing
Great review, keep it up!
The main benefit of an ev is home charging. I'm not sure why you would get any truck ev without that,? charging is 5x the cost alone if you can't home charge. I'm in Canada and it's -25c here. The lightning is parked outside with 240v and with precondition timed departures it has 100% power. Yes the range is 45% less at these Temps. With no camping etc in winter I can live with it.
Pretty cool that you made this video from the back of your truck
Good video as always! Keep it up. Giving up on my Lightning dream....dealership and Ford Canada can't get their stories straight. But might have a different ev tomorrow...
imagine a 100,000 Dollar New truck and having to not run your heater because of mileage fear syndrome. Perfect !!!
Great video! I didn’t know you were in the DMV area. Would love to meet and greet to see the truck.
Back in the 70's when my younger brother was in his late teens, he drove a VW Bug. In the winter he froze until he put a kerosene space heater on the passenger floorboard....
Thanks for sharing your video. I read through a number of comments and although EV may be the future, the simple cost and time to replace the ICE fleet will take years, plus I expect that people will choose to hold on to their ICE vehicles longer. Much work to be done on the infrastructure. Fossil fuels will be with us for a long time, simply because if nothing else, they are needed to create all the "free fuel". Solar is a long way away as a primary source and wind is limited to certain markets. And the lead time for nuclear puts it in the future. I expect that these govt mandates to prohibit ICE sales will be interesting to watch as we get closer to the actual effective date. I want to invest in an ICE dealership just across the state line from California. Bottom line is that its not just a one size fits all solution. The other day I was not driving so I starting looking for EV vehicles as we drove around town. I spotted 2 in an hour of driving. Not going to happen anytime soon in GA and fortunately we don't plan on moving to the Left Coast.
These videos are great, what kind of camera do you use? Can't wait to get my Lightning next month!
I’m surprised Edsel convinced Henry to build the lightning.
Good job of saying many wont have this issue, because they can pre prep the truck, BUT some people cant pre prep.
I have my SR range Lariat and I noticed a significant drop in range since it really cooled down here in northern CA. I still need to tinker with have the truck plugged in and using the comfort settings to help with the range loss in the winter.
Hey Kenneth. If you have an available plug overnight, more power to ya! 😀 I'm okay with some range loss now long as the winter doesn't significantly degrade the battery life when spring comes back around.
@@EVTruckLOG When spring comes your truck will be fine. Just keep the battery between 5% and 90%, or better between 10% and 80%. I think most manufacturers build in enough buffer that you won't see degradation affect your range for many years, but if you avoid charging to 100% very often it will be good even longer. I charged my Fiat to 100% every day because it only had 85 mile total range, but it could still do that after 5 years. In the summer it could even go 100 miles, but in winter it was closer to 70. My Tesla is nearly 8 years old and has only lost 6 miles of range and I only charge above 80% 3-4 times a year. It seems like winter affects the Lightning more than my Tesla, but it's just bigger and heavier. My XLT SR will be built in January
I bought a Jeep rubicon 4XE just for this reason. It still has a gas engine and I guess that in itself is a piece of mind. With the hybrid system I average just about 33 mpg in the summer and roughly 28.5 in the winter (in Maine). My commute to work is 82 miles round trip. If they had a charging station at work my MGP would be so much higher. I think we are heading in the right direction but still a few years away to solve the EV millage range issue.... Great video about the Lightning, almost bought one but went with my 2022 Jeep 4XE instead.....
Winter conditions? What about your towing range or carrying heavy loads?
As a car guy, it doesn't surprise me that the average person didn't see these issues coming with EV. But the fact the younger generation cannot do math in their head blows my mind
Fun video. thanks for making it.
Hey Norman! Haha yeh I had fun making the intro. Thanks for the early watch and the comment!
this kid is great, lotsa charisma
I'm nor an EV fan by any stretch of the imagination,but this is a really good practical review ,your premise to test over the winter in real life time conditions should be good/interesting. Will follow your progress.
Thanks for the video....clearly you are having fun figuring all this out. Once that novelty wears off however all these roadblocks may become a huge pain in the rear.
I have 2 vehicles...a tiny VW Beetle to buzz around town and it barely sips gasoline. When it finally dies ...it is now over 20 years old...I would consider a small cheap used EV to replace it. The 2nd vehicle is an 04 F150....it guzzles gas so I only drive it when needed sometimes it sits a week or 2 at a time. It been insanely cold in Canada the past week and the F150 is sat in front of my house all week. I can say with certainty if I need somemore drywall ( huge reno on going reno on my house ) I can jump in it and just go. Thats what I want...toooo many other things for my 71yr old brain to worry about than my truk stranding me in the middle of the road.
Despite what all the current narratives pushed at us I believe this is all most owners want....for me life is too short to over complicate things.
When it finally dies? Yank engine, rebuild it. Done, last another 20 years. I have 3 cars, 20, 30 and 50 years old. All still going fine, mechanically perfect. Rebuilt the 30 year recently for 4 grand bumper to bumper, good for another 30. Ice cars last literally forever.
So, as long as you live in a warm climate, dont tow things, and can charge at home, an EV should be ok.
But, if you live where it gets and stays well below freezing, you cant charge at home, you want the heater on so you dont freeze to death and you can see out of the windows, or is you need to tow, stay away from EVs. Also, with EV batteries being underneath the vehicles, what protects them from road salt in winter? Dont they corrode?
I like your videos btw
This is very much a truck for people who want a truck to commute and take the family around 99.9% of the time. That's not an insult. People who don't need to tow giant loads ever and just want the convenience of a pickup bed but can't drop $90k+ on a Rivian, this is your only EV option right now. And I think it's a good one so long as you are honest with yourself and how you plan to use it.
PS you are a brave soul for buying this thing without any form of charging at home.
Very well said! I think Ford marketing hyped up this truck for towing too much. Haha yes, I love experimenting with different tech and being able to share that experience. Otherwise this vehicle would have been no go for me... LOL
No, Ford didn’t hyper this Truck up for towing. The problem is people buying these things have never experienced any other EV. But the OP is correct this is a family hauler and commuter. While the Rivian would be ideal, it doesn’t have the interior space like the Lightning.
Either way good luck and you might want to look into getting rid of it for a better towing vehicle like a Hummer or Rivian.
@@lrod8692 bullshit one of their first promotions for the lightning was an ad having it tow a freight train
@@shaynegadsden that was to demonstrate the power of an EV not the range…. Nice Try though
@@lrod8692 how did you get too range no one mentioned that, we were talking about towing which was the point of fords marketing to show how well it could pull a load it's an ad for the lightning's towing capabilities, they have a heap of ads promoting it's towing capabilities the train ad was just the first
In Canada not using the heater isn’t an option
All interesting information. The next question is what happens if you are on the freeway and there is a collision or something else that creates total closure of the highway? You could be stuck for hours. Could get dangerous
19 degs is Warm. This coming Friday. The High temp in Mpls, Mn. will be Neg -6 below Zero.
You city people, and your tropical Temps. Lol
Thank you for making these videos! I learn more from you about my lightning than anyone else.
Hey Gary! That's so great to hear. I'll keep on documenting. Hope you're enjoying your Lightning.
@SEVLOG I am greatly enjoying mine! Luckily i only have a short commute so the range reduction from the guess-o-meter (about 25%) isn't too bad for my situation in North Central Illinois.
I live in Massachusetts. I see like negative 8 degrees Fahrenheit so I don't think I should get an EV. There are very little charging stations around and I can't afford an EV anyway. When I was 17 years old it hit 40 below zero.
Any reason you couldn't put a radiant heating pad underneath it while parked? Would that help??
If he doesn’t have power to charge he probably doesn’t have access to power for that either.
Orrrale good content!
Thanks for the info, i will stay away because i live in a very cold area 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
How’s the truck holding any new updates?
I think there will be a lot of changes in the auto market in the next 5 years so I'll stick with what I've got until it all shakes out. An EV today will probably be close to obsolete in 5 years.
3 years is more accurate. also, buying a used EV that is already obsolete is just insane, the trade -in value will be terrible.
Do you have the ford winter package?
Well, it's -10F outside right now, and it won't raise above 0F during daytime tomorrow ... glad I have my V8 5.6l!
My F350 6.7 starts right up with no problems.
19 degrees isn't very cold. I want to see how it does at minus 25F
Exactly!
Looking forward to next update
LOL 19 degrees! Where i am we consistantly have -40F below zero. 19 below is a heatwave lol. Cool video though!
So the display says that 30% of the power used on your drive went to the climate control system (heat). You had a relatively short drive, and in that time it had to heat your cabin from freezing to comfort. If you had driven longer, that initial heat up would have been a much smaller percentage of your total power consumption. Once up to temp it likely won't use very much power to maintain. Analyzing this level of information takes a little getting used to.
So bottom line is don’t use your heater in the winter? Summer is okay?
Nice honest info thank you
But you are just reinforcing how useless EVs are if: you live in cold climates, cant charge at your home, live in rural areas, need to haul stuff. I will stick w my tacoma. It starts in -40 degree windchill, i can have the heat blasting, music on, and get gas in a few minutes time.
I love my tacoma too
I'm in the Nova area myself. To drive 11 miles for a gym is crazy, lol. Seems like almost every strip mall has one.
Idk about fords app but with tesla you can “precondition” car which also preheats the battery 🔋 for max power when it’s plugged in . Also Technically you can get the power back by driving very hard & fast for like 15 min. Will heat battery quickly.
Yes, Ford has preconditioning available if plugged in. Not sure how long is needed for best battery temperature at various outside temperatures.
They should have put a heat pump in. Heater in mine uses 6k to 3k watts until the heat pump takes over, then it uses like 1k.
I don’t understand purchasing a vehicle that’s so unreliable in the winter. Awesome video though, good info.
Thank you. That was very interesting. EV is probably not a great choice here in Canada. 😀
I’ve been driving EVs in Canada since 2011 and over 500,000 kms, they do great in winter in most day to day cases. Saw a Lighting in PEI over the summer on our Ottawa-PEI roadtrip.
@@paulcamire Thanks, Paul. Very interesting. I have seen one blue one on the road and one black one at the dealer. They look very interesting. Thanks for your input. Cheers!
I am fortunate enough to have one in PEI! See how it goes.
@@PEIslander82 You are a luck guy Bill! Enjoy the storm!
Alright I subbed man. Now, let's see what happens. I live...oh, 600 miles maybe north of you,
5:40 That'll be some interesting experiment!
Yeh looking forward to making that video after winter. Half excited half terrified. LOL
Did you have heated seats on also? Or just the heater?
Hey Jim, just the heater. Mine is a base model XLT. No heated seats unfortunately. That would help.
@@EVTruckLOG Thanks for the reply! I got the lariat version and i'm waiting for it to be built. Interested to see what heated seats do.
@@JimPoole nice! For those cold days when you can still feel your face, heated seat should help a lot. Apparently Lightning resistive heater from HVAC is not very efficient. I try to answer most of the comments if I just uploaded a video. Hey thanks for watching!
It was 1 degree this morning. My Cummins fired right up.
From one degree to -10 is a pretty big difference when it comes to starting diesels one degree not bad but 5 to 10 below really tough
@@nathanbrumbaugh8545 yea. I’m glad I don’t live where it’s like that. It’s normally lows of 25 dipping into the teens here a few times. Hardly ever single digits.
It would be interesting to see how the truck handles at -40 F it gets so very cold in Minnesota
It probably wouldn't. No substitute for gasoline engines, I am in my early fifty's so hopefully I'll never be forced to buy a EV, don't want one. peace.....
They do just fine in Virginia MN.
Gas is on the way out..
@@michaelhyatt6780 balony, this is just another liberal failed fad
@@tomjefferson3148 that must be why the department of defense is switching to electric.. open your eyes and turn off fox news...
@@tomjefferson3148 what is balony
With the reduction of power, you would think that they would also have limited towing rating??? I wonder if this is ever taking into consideration. You cannot tell me that you’re safely able to tell maximum payload with 80% reduction of power when you need to overtake or accelerate to get onto an on ramp.
Have you ever done a cost per mile based on price per kWh and price per gallon of gas . I think it could boil down to how far can you get with $40 with an EV F150 , vs an ICE F150 vehicle
@SE I can’t wait to get my XLT SR. My build week is 12/19. Unless it gets delayed (fingers crossed it doesn’t). I work and do all of my running around is within 10 miles. By and large. About 20 miles a day. So I’m not worried about my range but I want to test it out at some point. I got the same XLT except I added the step (because it’s not always the easiest to jump up on the tailgate) and the 9.6 so I can use it to power my house in an emergency. There’s a workaround if you don’t have the multi thousand dollar Sunrun/power wall garbage.
Hey Paul! 12/19 is getting real close! Overall it's an amazing vehicle. Even more amazing in the fall\spring. My driving pattern is about the same as yours. Excited for you! Looking forward to your comment one day saying "I got it!"
If it’s anything like the electric service cart at work it doesn’t like the cold much. That’s why batteries are for golf carts and NOT for trucks.
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They never comment on how much range they loose with running heat in winter or A/C in 1000
degree day
98kwh is not big enough for a truck that big, especially in the cold. also power output limitation is interesting, ive been in -15C in my model 3, parked overnight not plugged in, and within 10 minutes of driving i had access to full power.
Cold has a affect on everything. Reduces fuel mileage on ICE vehicles due to them having to adjust fuel mixture and causes all kinds of issues with batteries. I think with EVs it is going to be all about the electric accessories and how they play into it. Heated seats, steering wheel, climate control, defrosters, stereo/infotainment, lights, charging phones, etc will just eat into the overall range of an EV. That all has some affect as well in ICE vehicles due to more drag on the alternator but minimal in comparison. Good luck!
The EPA gives an official reduction of 15% for ICE car for moderate cold -10C which is about the same for a Tesla with heat pump, ie the loss in range is about the same for ICE and good EV. Some EV's are better some are worse with range loss.
The main loss for an ICE engine is that they are tuned for adiabatic design to use 15-20C outside temperature - this the tuning based on the air temperature for the input air into engine and its effect on combustion, and thus compression resulting from this combustion.
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@@GoogleDoesEvil no you don't get the same in winter and summer, diesel cars are affected by cold than petrol. I have had multiple diesel cars, I kept a close watch on fuel usage. Why do people continue to lie.
When an ICE is at operating temps. (after everything warms up) the only variable affecting power and fuel consumption should be intake air temperature. That being said, the colder air gets, the denser it gets. That should translate, in a modern fuel injected ICE, to more power and efficiency, due to the denser charge of air that means at the same volume of air their will be more oxygen. So wherever this information is coming from, it sounds like bs, because it makes no sense. Unless I'm missing a variable, which I could be, but I don't think so.
And I don't care if it was put out by the government, that only makes it more sus.
@@glennjames7107 Wong on multiple accounts :
1) Both EV and ICE engines need to warm up, this is the biggest hit on range in the cold. This has nothing to do with heating passengers - which is very quick in an EV, but the battery and ICE engine both need to be up to operating temperature which takes longer in the cold. While the engine is cold the ECU has to maintain a rich mixture (see 2 also) to stop the engine stalling. Remember the old manual chokes in cars
2) Although cold air is denser, it requires more fuel to maintain the stoichiometric ratio of fuel air ratio - so denser air needs more fuel - cos that is how engines work - wrong amounts of fuel mix cause major problems. You are only thinking of "how much compression", but that is 1 dimensional thinking, engine operation is much more complicated than that.
3) ICE engines have an operating temperature, and there will be a threshold of temperature outside where too much heat is lost through the block preventing the engine ever reaching proper working temperature. This generally affects more efficient ICE engines earlier (temperatures wise)- like diesel engines rather than big and very inefficient low compression ratio big block US engines.
4) All oil is more viscos as lower temperature and ICE engines have a lot more transmission components (a gear box ) than an EV car. This loss is significant and effects efficiency
4) The CAT in a petrol car has an operating temperature of around 250C - 400C and in the cold (and wet - where splash water cools it down) it may NEVER reach this temperature. When not at operating temperature the ECU puts more fuel in the engine so more unburnt fuel gets to the CAT to raise its temperature to increase the catalytic effect. This has a huge effect on the efficiency of petrol engines in the cold (and heavy rain) as the ECU is trying to get the CAT up to temperature.
There are many other minor reasons, but hopefully you get the point (probably not) So you see, the efficiency of modern ICE engines is not a simple 1 dimensional problem, and as tested by independent testers - even when warm - the typical ICE engine is around 15% worse efficiency around 0C (32F) compared to 20C/68F.
DC area , Wonder I've never seen you before , We should do a lightning meet up
I have heard you can not or the vehicle will not take a charge when the weather temperature is cold. You could assume the EV cars and trucks are for warmer weather climates all year long. It is funny Musk did not put in the vehicles some kind of heaters for the batteries when the car is not in use or in use on colder climate areas.
Have you ever noticed that the battery and engine temp gauges ALWAYS show the same values ? I doubt they are working
I think we are due for a major battery breakthrough technology wise. I think I can wait awhile before I spend way to much money for obsolete tec..
This makes me even happier I bought a 2022 F-150 STX with the 5.0 instead of a Lightning.
I have a feeling if you were to tow something the battery will heat up quickly.
Maybe right. If it does, that would be ironic. 😁 I would not want to tow anything heavy in the winter with this truck.
@@EVTruckLOG then ask yourself...what good is it..if you can't haul or tow with it ??..ANSWER..ITS WORTHLESS !.
@@alanshaw4655 he doesn't need a truck.
It's just an upgrade for the X over, townhouse types.
@@donaldgminski8621 i guess if you have deep pockets ..it really does not matter huh ?, more money than brains..lol.
29 degrees that's a heat wave, we have been around -10 to -15 below. I cant wait until its 29 degrees again.
29 degrees is shorts weather for me.
Still have the truck?
Turn the heater on, and how fast will the battery drain. Throw in the defrost! Don’t use the radio to save juice!
You may want to double check stating the battery never gets to 100% I did a cold start the other morning and power was not at the full level. Like 70 or 80%. I drove for like 15 minutes, turned the car off. When i turned it back on it was at 100%
Mine definitely never returned the available power level even after 50 miles. It returned only after I plugged in at level 2. I have not seen it go low as 70%. Did you get the max tow package by any chance? I know it had the second pump for cooling but I wondered if it also delivers heating that way.
@@EVTruckLOG That's a good point the lightning only has electric cab heating (no heat pump) I know the air dampers totally close in the winter so do they use electric heat to precondition the battery too or does that use a heat pump to warm the battery.