Did Sergio Perez really CRASH on purpose in Monaco?
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2022
- Let's take a look at a big talking point after the Brazilian Grand Prix this year... and that's Monaco qualifying and THAT crash from Sergio Perez...
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is this on of max reasons?
What is the source of the telemetry shown?
@@GamezGuru1 theres a difference on the normal lap and the crashed lap
@@GamezGuru1 on the crashed lap at the turn right before the tunnel. while turning he pressed on the gas making him spin
I think it's beyond a reasonable doubt that Perez crashed on purpose, if a court of law he'd be convicted. You can also watch every other driver at that corner every lap and their telemetry data and no one is close to doing what Perez did, not once in any circumstance. I'd also judge from Max's and Horner's reactions this is something that is internally known at Red Bull.
Why for 3rd on the grid? Remember that at that time his was still in the Driver's Championship race and starting P3 is a huge advantage over those behind you at Monaco. Perez would have known that it massively increased his chances of gain points on Max at least even if Charles' time was already set. Podium points plain and simple, at that point he was out for himself and not to support Max.
I also think Max was miffed because he couldn't call it out publicly and internally Red Bull and Horner seems to be an 'if they can't prove it you ain't cheating' kind of guy. It might be Max just can't abide a cheater (and at this point lying cheater) or that Max really wanted to maximize his record season and that was a 15th win and lock up of the driver championship a race weekend earlier.
Also, just to clarify, in Indycar, if you cause a disruption in qualifying, you lose not only your fastest lap, but also the second fastest lap. This almost guarantees you will start near the back as if you have two really close times, both would be deleted instead of the quicker one.
To be really strict, you'd have to delete any previously set lap times in that qualifying segment if you cause any disruption (yellow or red flag).
Of course, drivers could still do it for their teammates.
In Indy you drive way more qualylaps though
Doesn’t this make drivers too conservative?
@@takemyhandtakemymind8039 yes
But no. They still are going to push
@@takemyhandtakemymind8039 Yes and no. You still want to go for pole position, especially on street tracks like Monaco. It makes it more fair between the drivers because if you interrupt another lap, that could be the difference between pole and 9th place.
Let us remember that Perez didn't actually get pole at Monaco. He was behind both Ferrari's. He was also fighting for pole on that lap when he binned it. It seems a bit odd to crash on purpose to give up the chance to fight for pole, seems extremely counter-intuitive to me.
He knew Max was getting quicker exits from that corner and making time down the straight, his engineer told him that he was too slow on his throttle application, so my guess is that he tried to get on the power too early in his eagerness to make up the difference.
The fact we are talking about this of all things at this point of the season is kind of baffling to me really.
He wasn't really fighting for pole that lap, he had yellow first sector, so he was out of the contention. He really believed at that point that he can challenge Max for the championship, so the fact that max was going faster could make him think about crashing. It's not always about wins, being consistently on podiums is very important too and that he guaranteed him podium place. And I think we should speak about things like that at any point of the season. If he really crashed on purpose he should be denied of his victory and maybe even disqualified from the championship, just to stop everyone else from doing this or at least make them think twise
@@birdjust The sectors colors in qualifying don't mean that much; Purple is fastest of everyone on track. Green means you've gone faster than you have before. Yellow means that you haven't beaten your own best time in that sector. You can be slower by as little as 0,001s and get a yellow sector. If the timings were actually very close to his best sector 1 you can easily make the case that Checo thought that he could make up for the time loss by going to the gas earlier in that corner and losing the car in the process.
(note this is not saying that that is definitely what happened, just making a case of what might have)
The telemetry doesn't lie!
Omg this stupid argument again. Monaco is one race out of the year. Third is still better than 4th. There was plenty of reasons to do it if you just take off your “I’m a max hater and jealous of his life” glasses, I’m sure you’ll be able to figure it out
@@gasoowannab bro no one argued here💀
I’ve just realised: Alonso also crashed earlier in his qualifying lap, but went mildly unnoticed due to Perez. Was this also strategic placing from him as a part of El Plan?
Obviously it was a hate crime against Lewis Hamilton bc Alonso cant get over that Lewis bet him in equal machinery and also perez just hates max and the team and himself which is the reason he crashed on purpose (everything is sarcasm)
Baku Quali vs Albon
@@laszlomatko9981 lol
Yep, he crashed at Mirabeau just seconds after Checo... funnily enough that would trigger a red flag as well.
@@laszlomatko9981 Drive to survive will learn from this
There is one man that makes this theory ludicrous: Helmut Marko.
Do you guys seriously think Checo did this, then went and debriefed that to Horner and Marko, and their reaction was giving him the best strategy and letting everyone know they were extending his contract?
Do you guys seriously think Marko wouldn't have kicked Checo out of the entire Red Bull Racing structure after learning this?
We're talking about a man who hasn't shied away from changing drivers in the middle of a season!
Who said that they Debrief?
This is the most concrete argument I have heard yet. The teams can see all the data. If they thought it was intentional they would have just made it right during the race.
@@RoyMatzem the man who reported this claims he heard Checo specifically debrief this to Helmut Mark & Christian Horner, that’s who.
@@nelsongalan1417 That is the least believable thing I have read so far about all this. Someone said they heard some people talking. Yeah, super credible.
Aparently he told Horner and Marko much later than the Monaco GP
So... If you suggest that Perez crash was planned to preserve 3rd(?) Behind the Ferrari's:
- How did he convince, all 9 teams (beside RB) aand all 19 drivers left to not protest that action right away?? Especially in a sport (and track) where everyone wants to gain an advantage over the rest of the competitors?
- Remember last year Quali in Monaco? Charles got pole, and crashed in Q3. Couldn't start the race due damage. Everybody was talking about the same. "He did it on purpose", but because he didn't actually race, nobody complain anymore.
- In 2022, Alonso crash also within a few seconds of difference. He would've cause a flag anyway and end the session.
- Why he would risk a gear box damage for this crash? and right after, Sainz collide with him too, wich means more damage to the internal components of the car.
- How did he cheat the FIA for the incident?
- Why will he reveal his "crime" to, not only Horner, but F****** HELMUT MARKO?
- Why Horner and MARKO would say nothing about it?
To many expert eyes to cheat imo.
Honestly, you give to much credit to the Dutch media. But thats how F1 works. Still, pretty lame.
British bias, Dutch bias, German bias, Italian Bias, all exist. The only one that is kind of funny is the Italians when they rip into Ferrari, we never get anything like that out of British bias but those Italian media reporters for F1 can be savage. German media covered for both Sebastian and Schumacher's less than PR friendly behaviour. So of course Max gets Dutch protection like Lewis has British protection from each respective news groups.
Also to add to your list, bring up an internally known cheating scandal that could see Red Bull removed from the championship for protecting Perez and could include himself for also knowing. Whether it was true or not Alonso only survived Renaults disaster due to being ignorant and same for Lewis with McLaren's scandal. While Max on the other hand is playing with fire on this one because if he does get his "revenge" it could be coming right back at him with losing his 2nd WDC by a country mile due to ego.
its impossible to prove intent... perhaps you should read carlos' interview with motorsport
Thanks for this, glad to see, some people with actual brain cells, of course Monaco is bs, the timming of it gave it away, it doesn't add up with Checo's character on his entire career, Checo is always thinking on the team first, this argument could only make sense if he was on pole.
Carlos Sainz replied to a reporter that drivers now when somebody delibartly crashes. But it is hard to prove.He said it happens more then we read in the media. Thats why he is in favor of having a rule that makes you lose your time when you cause a red of yellow flag in quali.
@@nickyrongen2313 explain to me, how that changes anything that I wrote?
If you have any suspect, you speak about it. Everyone in F1 wants yo gain an advantage. Especially the front row teams.
I haven't read any driver against of that rule. And most of fans would agree on that rule. In the meanwhile, nothing on this particular manner of Monaco has been proved.
You know what bothers me most about these kind of things, is that we don't know what happened to make Max uncooperative. It could be something very petty, or it could be something completely justified. People have found a possible reason, but it could very well be something we have absolutely no idea about that happened completely internal. For all we know Checo made fun of Max's dick when they showered together. So all these videos are just running in circles getting nowhere. Still watched the video because I support this channel though
It's definitely petty.
@@paulbarnett227 how do you know with absolute certainty though, are you a witch?
Can't really fault WTF1 for putting out a video on a hot topic, even when they don't have anything to add to the discussion. It's easy clicks and income after all. I'd certainly do the exact same. It's forgivable since they make enough other content that is valuable
and apparently everyone is ignoring the "last summer" part of his team radio...
@@Excludos I know, that's why I still watched it. But I also felt the need to express my opinion on this sort of thing
Even if Max thinks the Monaco crash was deliberate… what kind of revenge was that?
Not revenge. It seemed to be about the principle of the thing. he'd discussed it with the team ahead of time.
Bitter, like it should be.
Karma, it's discipline, he did the same thing to himself when the team told him to pass Daniel and he said no
Caesar(Max) & Brutus(Checo) springs to mind, how do you ever trust your best friend again???
The video is not about that.
Even if checo didn't crash alonso did it was going to be a red flag anyway
Lol hindsight buddy. If checos motives were true, how would he have know that Alonso was going to crash? Did he radio Alonso ? Your grasping at straws.
Officer, why are you arresting me?
Yeah, I know I killed that guy, but he had cancer so he was going to die anyway.
@@gasoowannab I think you're missing the point of the original post. He mentions on how their was going too be a red flag even if perez never crashed. He never mentioned anything about perez and alonso being in cahoots. Seems too me you're the one who's grasping at straws buddy
This doesnt excuse the issue if Perez did it on purpose. Even if Perez did not gain anything, cheating is cheating.
@@gasoowannab It means that, whatever the original intentions, PER's crash DIDN'T cost a thing to VER in the end, which makes his childish "revenge" even more pathetic (if Monaco really was the actual reason).
It would be quite the risky move considering he went in rear first. He could easily have damaged his gearbox.
He completely destroyed his rear wing, he could’ve damaged his gearbox, rear suspension, engine parts, it’s such an unnecessary risk all just for P3, not even pole
We are acting like people always make rational decisions with all factors considered. Come on now bro
@@blockchainalpha they do. they literally get paid to do just that. making rational decisions on the fly is what separates your hamiltons from your leclercs. leclerc is fast, but he lacks the intelligence of someone like lewis or alonso to capitalize on that speed consistently.
@@Cryozenix you justed proved his point...lol
@@bh2789 so is Perez more of a Hamilton/Alonso or a Leclerc when it comes to making decisions on the fly?
Without concrete evidence either way, its impossible to know intent, but it for me, it doesn’t make sense Perez would do this. For a 3rd position (in qualifying) so early in the season, I don’t believe Perez would do such a thing, its kinda pointless. That said, IMO, if this proves to be true (Perez crashed on purpose) and Max held a “grudge” until Brazil even though he already won the Drivers Championship and RedBull won the Team Championship, its just petty. Be the bigger man (hold your head high - knowing you always do the right thing and report him to the FIA). If it’s not true (and Perez made a mistake) just trying his best to do something different to gain time - IMO, Max’s actions are still petty. But, who knows, maybe one day we’ll know once one of them leaves F1 and writes a book.
Well there is a potential motive: At that time Perez didnt have a new contract with Red Bull. So maybe he could have sabotaged this to get in front of Max. He then could have used this (getting second or 3rd) in the negotiations.
Perez has never done anything to get in the way of Max. he is a solid teammate, and great for RBR. I think all we'll ever hear from MV again on this someday is that he'd say "I am out for my own best results, always have been"
@@Pruchol5 Again perhaps, but I don’t believe that quite makes sense either. Look at his results leading up to the Monaco GP. Perez got a 4th place in Saudi and Miami Grand Prix’s and then 2nd place in Australian, Emilia Romagna and Spanish Grand Prix’s. Beating Max a few times (albeit because of engine troubles). So with that strong of a record leading into Monaco, purposely crashing for a potential 3rd place, it doesn’t make sense to me at all, but - that’s my opinion - like I said who knows.
Has been proven.
This ^
The telemetry being different from the prior laps could be applied to nearly every shunt. If you want to explore conspiracy theory’s do one on why Russell pinned the throttle and beached his car in Brazil after making it to the asphalt perimeter road, thus ending qualifying and
That time delete thing could be a solution if your time is in top 3 or 5 could actually work to prevent such situations
Indy car actually has a really good rule for crashing or bringing out a "red flag" you lose both of your fastest laps
Even if he did that on purpose, Red Bull had so much time to solve it. Max is very bitter.
Max should've said what Vettel told the media after the Multi21 situation in Malaysia: "I was racing him, I was faster, I passed him, I won" and "I won't apologize for winning"
It would go like this: "My endplate was broken. We were on different strategies. I was faster. He let me by. I got 6th when points don't matter for me. I won't apologize for getting 6th." Seems a little daft, doesn't it?
And Perez didn't fight Max because he was ordered to let him by.
yeah... i dunno.
"i was racing, i was 'faster', team orders moved him out of my way, i finished P6" doesnt have the same ring to it
It doesn't matter. Checo was told in Spain to give his position to Max, and he did. Max was told in Brazil to give his position to Checo, and he didn't. That's all we need to know.
There was more in Spain, Checo asked for the position back as Max was not able to get past Russell on track. Request was denied, but the team promised Perez would get his place back later in the race which also did not happen, similar to what happened in Brazil.
Thats very misinformative. Perez was asked in Spain cause he wasnt gonna beat max anyways so RB wanted them to not collide.
Brasil max and the team already discussed beforehand that max wasnt gonna help checo (for inside reasons). But during the race RB still put max on the spot and asked him to help checo. Left Max confused cause they had already discussed it, making Max look bad while its something they had talked about behind the scenes already.
But go on. People love to hate on max and not look from his perspective :)
Yes, lets throw all the nuance out of the window. Do you really think Checo is in a position where he can demand? The dude is slow as shit
Max still handled that very poorly
Max doesnt care one bit what other people think
With the public yeah, but Max doesn’t really care about public image.
Why and who are you to jugde. You know nothing about how the team operates. You're a nobody
@@maxdenbreejen9844 he will when the next young shot from the RB stable comes thru, and he needs to find a new team but he burnt all the bridges.
@@TheBrass18 my man this incident sure as sht didnt "burn all the bridges" for max at red bull. like what are you even talking about?
The fact he did not countersteer makes it look very troubling.
yup a natural reaction that didn't happen at all
My problem with the crash theory is not only the motivation behind it, but the kind of crash Checo "chose"... risking to damage his gearbox when there were other sneakier and safer ways to trigger a red flag.
@@soundscape26 Doing it at the swimming pool risks a dnf as Leclerc had in 2021. Other types might look too suspicious. Crash = red flag but other safer ways would mean yellow flag.
@@soundscape26 all the other sneakier ways have been tried out by others at monaco. This is probably the best way to crash on purpose, since it's a slow corner and you don't risk a lot of damage
@@vcolin Blocking the Lowe's hairpin for instance... Latifi crashed there under the SC. 😄 Accidents at Portier are quite rare.
Ultimately he can only thank Max for having everybody talking about this 6 months later.
Think about the race in Spain 🇪🇸 Verstappen went off and Checo was on an alternate strategy and was ready to pounce and was told to hold position with being only a handful points behind in the championship.
Crash happened early in the race. Perez wasn’t quick enough that weekend, let’s be real. Max was way quicker on the last stint as well. Checo has been a clear number two driver, it’s way more closer bw Ferrari and Merc drivers and has nothing to do with setup. It’s down to talent, other 5 are better
@@Unwindn_ Talent and the fact that the car is built to suit Verstappen's driving style. No other driver can cope with how unstable that RB's rear end is. Honestly, anyone out of Russell, Sainz and Norris would struggle in the RB. Gasly and Albon performed poorly as well and are now doing a great job. You cannot ignore the fact that the RB is a car built around Max. Yes, he's talented enough to get the best out of a difficult ride but if the RB was a more forgiving and easier car to drive then Perez would be a lot closer to him.
yeah if he only got the good strat he would of won the WDC... lmao
@@Unwindn_ Max spun his car losing positions. He also had DRS issues and wasn't able to get past Russell on track.
THE TEAM ordered Checo to give up his spot, as Max had just come in for tires and was trying to get past the Merc.
THE TEAM told Checo that he would be given the spot back if Max couldn't get the pass done. Checo comes in for tires and is immediately behind the Russell/Max fight, he asks for the spot back. He is denied but told he would get it back later in the race.
In the last part of the race Checo is stretching the life of his older tires to the end. Max gets fresher tires and comes back to pass Checo and goes on to win.
This I believe is the 'previous time' Max was referring to on his radio comments after the race.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Such a brainless argument. The car was understeering especially in the beginning of the season (because the RB was overweight) which Max notoriously dislikes and Checo likes. It was literally suited to Checo's driving style which is why he closer to Max in the beginning of the season.
There are hundreds of ways to bring out a caution at Monaco without potentially destroying your gearbox. Next, we are going to be saying Charles crashed on purpose in 2021.
Name a hundred ??
Name 10 :)
@samwlloyd I'm being hyperbolic, but you could purposefully lock up and overshoot any corner with runoff area and faf about getting back on the track and going. You can purposefully run wide and clip the barrier on exit (which doesn't risk any power train components). You can clip an inside barrier on one of the slower corners. You can overshoot Nouvelle in a way the keeps you close enough to the track to bring out a brief yellow.
So, over a dozen.
He was not far ahead of Max. If he wanted to ruin Max's lap, it only would have taken a brief, localized yellow to force Max to back off. He didn't have to back it into the barrier on a blind corner, risking destroying components that carry grid penalties down the line.
@@Ivovify See my other response in here.
Main reason im not convinced is because he could have crashed out elsewhere without risking damage, which youd think he would if it was intnentional
Not really, that’s one of the slowest corners in Monaco and the way he spun it gave very little chance for damage
@@vushnekov3665 How do you know? Are you an F1 mechanic? The way he crashed was specifically how you might damage the gearbox. Locking up and going straight on or crashing front first is far less risky than that.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Doesn‘t matter. You have a pool of gearboxes now as a driver each weekend, 3 to be exact. The penalty system for a gearbox change isn‘t there anymore. The rules have changed. Telemetry and the onboards are very clear, it was intentional
@@Reaz399 That's your opinion, don't try and present it as fact. And you clear bias is showing. We have no way of knowing what truly happened.
I find it hard to believe he would crash when he was only P3 and was basically handing Ferrari a front row lockout. He wouldn't have taken such a big risk just to stay ahead of his teammate after literally letting Max by to win in the previous race.
Eve if Perez wanted to crash intentionally he's have done it in a different manner, locking up and going down an escape road like Rosberg or parking it at a tight corner like Schumacher. Crashing on the exit of a corner where another car could come and hit you because of the blind nature of the corner (which is what literally happened with Sainz) is too risky of a strategy. Especially if you have gearbox damage to consider. You're clutching at straws and you know it.
@@areebsiddiqui758 can you repost this but take out all your emotions and just have the facts presented I really can't read that through all the babyrage
Max is built differently. Imagine all that time in between Monaco and the Brazilian GP, he was smiling and playing nice with Checo in interviews pre and post race, promo stuff, etc, and in his mind he's just screaming "I'm gonna get revenge on you when you least expect it!!!" Lol...
he played nice for so long cause he knew that checo was valuable. now he is champion already, so he can show his true feelings. kinda dumb though, considering they will have more seasons together.
Ya, I don't see that. He'd discussed it with the team earlier, but that wasn't communicated to checo or even checo's size of the garage it seems. He was only annoyed by being asked again, otherwise he seemed pretty calm about it. If anything It seemed to be the principle of the thing for him.
I mean Crashing deliberately in Monaco qualifying, (and other tracks) is something he's complained about more often over the years, and he's pushed for rule changes in that area. And then, right after coming out of a season were every point mattered, his team mate does exactly that to him? when he's only 6 points ahead of LeClare with a long season still to go? I can see him not appreciating that sabotage at all.
i really think max is over it. just refused to help checo anymore and was pissed they ask several times over the radio when he already told them he wouldnt
@@bh2789 help checo anymore? checo was the one helping him everytime it was necessary. if I was checo I would be pissed af about this. there was nothing to lose for max here, he did this out of pure spite. if this is about monaco, I highly doubt that, even if checo did crash on purpose, he would tell anybody. so max' anger is based on pure speculation about something more than half a year ago. in between then and now checo helped him on multiple occasions. last year at the final gp, max thanked checo and called him a legend, for literally saving his world title in the very last moments of the season.
No, you are projecting your own pettiness. It probably was emotionless. Simple, I will not exchange places regardless it's 1st or 19th. No more thinking required.
Here's an idea:
When you get a yellow or red flag, you stop the quali clock until you're ready to restart.
For a yellow flag, you add the equlivalent of 1.5x the fastest lap time to the clock before you wave the green and restart the clock (in order to allow one more quali lap).
For a a red flag, you add 2.5x the fastest lap time to the clock, then restart it on the green flag (in order to allow the chance to leave the pits, get round safely, and have one more quali lap).
That way, you're stopping any further instances of people making "mistakes" in order to stop other drivers from potentially getting a better time (and, as an added element, cars will need to be slightly more heavily fuelled in order to allow for potential extra time so they don't fall foul of fuel rules).
Max is really turning into the new Fernando Alonso 😂 burning bridges fast and beat a 7 time wdc
As far as I'm concerned, Perez did not crash deliberately. And even if he did, this does not excuse Verstappen's actions in Brazil
Yeah I mean why would he? He was 3rd not 1st so nothing really to gain from it. And he could have damaged key aspects of the car like the gearbox.
Also this is Red Bull, he may have just resigned. But that means nothing to Red Bull if he genuinely did do something this dodgy. Besides Perez doesn't seem to be that sort of driver anyway.
@@quintuscrinis8032he was ahead of Verstappen and perhaps that would be the best next thing after pole. He was still believing he could beat Verstappen at that point in the season.
@@mroozendaal really? One word, Barcelona
If Checo did that on purpose, it's kinda sad. But why should he do so? He still did sooo much for Max and he also should have given Sergio these 2 more points in Brazil
Why would he do it, knowing that max has the best car and would smoke him out
At that time, LeClerc, Perez and Max were still very close in points
If Perez finished ahead of Hamilton more last year that last race wouldn't even be important anymore and this year Max did not need much help.
@@Pevi70yeah but at that time he was P3 in quali
@@Brossano22 He did a bad S1, he could dropped to P5, P6 or even worse, he think "P3 its better than that"
I wonder if his dad Jos factors into this, i remember him being upset after Monaco about not giving Max enough of an opportunity.
Yeah Jos seems to want the Red Bull team to be run solely for Max.
everyone should know who runs RedBullRacing aaaand no.. its not Christian Horner.. ..>< its Jos..
Yeah but Max is still better than Jos. I mean at least Max beats his competitors an not his wife
Are you surprised?? Lol
@@educortazarc And Max is still easily the best driver at RBR. Common, Checo is mediocre. If you still need help to grap the second place.. He should be miles in front of Charles.
After reviewing the telemetry i really cant defend Checo...
Watched the footage after the race and couldn't believe my ears when the throttle blipped
@@KSCustomweapons me too, I can't find any other reason that he would floor it mid corner basically
And even though checo crashed on purpose thas doesn't justify max's behaviour.
Almost a full application of throttle before the apex,that's just sus.
@@LfrJacc exactly!
It’s not about Monaco. Something happened in Mexico and that’s where both drivers unfollowed each other on instagram. Even Max mentioned in Abu Dhabi that they talked about something in Mexico. Bringing up Monaco months later by the Dutch media was just very convenient.
He mentioned that it was something that happened earlier in the season and that he talked to the team about it in Mexico, not that it was about Mexico.
you mean by sky on the broadcast right after it happened... RIGHT???
@@bh2789 sure buddy
That was their PR handlers in a kitten fight.
It was because Verstappen didn’t cooperate with the team to help Checo win at his home Grand Prix . Felix de costa ex RedBull driver asked at the USGP if he was going to help Checo win at Mexico when Verstappen was already champion so why not but he said no way.
Michael Schumacher was the first to innovate this technique the drivers nowadays just try and enhance the technique. LOL Schumi you legend. 😁
The stupid thing about all this is that Max’s lap would have been ruined anyway because Alonso crashed about 30 seconds later. That would have caused a red flag anyways and kept the standings where it’s at.
Well...nobody including Perez knew that at the time so this argument is bullocks.
That’s hindsight buddy lol. No way checo knew Alonso was going to crash. You’re reaching.
@@ltdada74 He said the situation itself was quite peculiar, not that Checo would've known.
@@gasoowannab no he's not reaching. Use simple reading comprehension skills please. He's just stating a mere fact about the whole situation. Not that perez or anyone knew
Codemasters: See we had the throttle physics right the whole time very touchy. Hehe.
I dont hear anything about the conveniently crash of Russell last weekend during Brasil Qualy.
that’s because he isn’t as “special” as Max due to what happened with Max the past 2 years. It’s sadly how F1 goes
Also, he said "dont ask that to me ever again" so I doubt that he will help perez in abu dhabi, or any other futur race for that matter.
Max has a difficult challenge which is mostly unseen by his own awareness. It's the Joffrey Baratheon complex. He's developed such a following, global fame, wealth and riches beyond most mortals wildest dreams. Not only that, he is surrounded by people who are paid to support and create this grand, luminous Golden Bubble of protection.
It is rare to have a F1 champion his age, with his stats and the entire community constantly reinforcing his superior abilities and talent in a race car. But it's happened before. Max is no different, he will fall victim to the seductive allure of God Like status and bask in his own self worth, or he will dismiss the bullshit and realize he just an amazingly fortunate person to have had all the right opportunities at the right time and he took advantage of them through dedicated hard work no different that the next man who gives it his all.
Checo wreck on purpose in Monaco? I find that hard to believe personally but it has happened before.
Max should remember, Checo had a lot to do with his championships, especially last year.
So, Max, an asshole F1 driver? HAHA~ nothing new there. He can afford to be whatever he wants to be, as long as he's winning. When the winning stops, which it will, then the shit gets real.
Tf is wrong with you damn , go talk with someone
High pitch noise from the engine does indicate a big throttle application, but that can be due to the rears slipping without traction and thus causing the engine to rev up more freely, and when you have slip in your rears due to lack of traction on a tight corner, that usually leads to, you know, crashing 🤷🏻♂️
According to some drivers, "purposefully crashing in qualifying happens more than we know". And why wouldn't it? These people are fighting tooth and nail for every point. It's basically Occam's Razor at this point that people will do whatever they know they can get away with.
The Indycar system needs to be implemented, otherwise we will continue to talk about this every time someone bins it in Q3, whether it was on purpose or not
The telemetry and evidence looks quite suspicious, but why would he crash and risk damaging a component which could ultimately get him a penalty at some point in the season
Exactly, he would have risk starting from the back of the grid in that race if there was damage to his gearbox, it doesn't make sense
@@alexwly7 also, if Checo actually did crash on purpose and admitted it to Marko and Horner, then why did he get a new contract? Surely they would have kicked him out of rbr for that
the lack of countersteer is awfully suspicious
It absolutely was not misplaced confidence in the car. He floored the throttle as you can clearly see and hear from the telemetry and sound, and no F1 driver ever, EVER does that since it results in a spin out every, single, time when not at high speed with no traction control. I just can't imagine how a driver of his caliber would do that on purpose and then not counter steer to try and correct it out of instinct.
Many drivers have done it over time (ferrari last year at monaco and azerbaijan for example)
I think the only reason I think it might be by mistake was because sainz immediately did the same thing
you mean RAN into checos already chrashed car!?!?!? lol
@@bh2789 no cause sainz spun then hit him. If Perez wasn’t there he would have spun anyway
Carlos spun trying to avoid a crash (drivers usually spin as a last resource)
So I think in general. The only people that know are Max and Sergio, and speculation is just gonna be it until someone slips up and spills the beans. It's likely it was on purpose which is why this all happened though. That being said, there should just be a penalty put in place to discourage it and also less damage on cars before sunday is just good in general so it would maybe help drivers stay a little more causes just overall before the race.
GEORGE’S BRAZIL RED FLAG WAS NO ACCIDENT! HE DIDN’T WANT LEWIS CLOSE!
Always the last one make the video about any topic 😂
Just kidding, you’re great for normal F1 Fans. But we nerds have our sources, that are a week or so faster.
We nerds still watch you, cause you’re great
Thanks Matt
Max was upset because RB told Jost to shut up after he shot his mouth off.
"Checo is a legend"...💀
not really after what he did to his wife and to Max in Monaco
@@eco_logic it's so childish to bash a celebrity about his private life......look at the statistics how hypocritical can people be...
@@Hani_Santa yes it happens for both max and checo
Not lagend....checo cheater....
Legends die
IndyCar also goes one step farther than that where if you bring out a red flag you actually lose your 2 best laps and are ineligible to advance farther in qualifying. Regardless of intentional or not for Perez I do think bringing some form of rule in about bringing out a red flag would be beneficial for F1 because we have certainly seemed to see an uptick in late qualifying crashes for drivers that are higher up in the Q3 lineup in recent years at Monaco
The Russel spin in qualifying in Brazil itself as well
Nah Russell did nothing wrong, just a little bit of a rain drops on the helmet and continue to drive like normal is the advice you get as a race car driver. He just followed it. And it’s not like he was in pole he was in 3rd
I may be dumb and biased but I think max didn’t wanna give the position back just because he’s max and he reacted like that in the post race interview because he knows the media will run with whatever story gets views so he knew no matter what he said they would just stick to the story they like
That's what really happened, and RB decided to support him as well, the team statement is a joke, just puts in paper that the role of Checo in Red Bull is not valuable, and they just want a happy Max.
@@jomachro yea they want Nyck De Vries next to max after checo’s contract is up
What I haven't seen discussed anywhere is Why?
Why would Checo crash on purpose?
Because his lap was bad and he was fighting with Max and others behind him on a flying lap for that 3rd position. If you know that you're doing bad and someone can finish ahead of you, why don't secure that position?
I think a good solution to that problem is to extend the time like they do in football. If an interruption happens due to a crash in a session, the clock should be stopped until it is clear and then resumed.
How is that any different from what happens now?
@@Bungle2010 because when there's less than a minute left on the clock they immediately cancel the session. I think what he's trying to say is that the FIA should consider give that time lost back because they could have enough time to warm the tyres and do another lap.
Yeah, we'll never know. But from the really strong Max's position and comments, I guess they had the conversation back in May and Perez was unable to tell otherwise.
This was no more a deliberate act than Timo Glock slowing down to give Hamilton the Championship in 2018
Yep 2018
@@neosonixyz 🤣🤣
@@neosonixyz I was being sarcastic, the implication being that Glock DID slow down on purpose
@@GrahamWalters no i know that i just wanted to point out that that happened in 2008 not 2018
what if he did? it was brilliant, he went on to win monaco like a king, flipping the bird to everyone; maxi pad is just jealous as always.
Really terrifying that people like you defend this crap
@@folkert2938 Ooooooo, yeahh; truly horrifying. Stay home, so you don't get so frightened.
He doesn’t let anything go honestly
I like the deletion of the lap if there is a crash or they could do like NASCAR where one driver is out for two laps at a time. I know tire grip and rubber mean a lot in F1 but maybe they could do this twice and fastest lap wins... It's a thought anyway it certainly would cut down of the large amount of Qually time drivers just sit in the pit not doing anything.
Apparently Helmut Marko has confirmed that Daniel Ricciardo will be RB's reserve driver for 2023
Don’t give me hope….
@@karthikkasireddy919 According to Sky Germany, Marko confirmed this.
@@karthikkasireddy919 year he has confirmed it in an live Interview
@@karthikkasireddy919 yup he got that spots...Perez could be no seat after 2024 maybe...Or maybe next year
I just hope Danny won't end his career carrying water for Max...
Even if Sergio crashed on purpose, it doesn't justify Max's behavior. The team obviously had discussions about it and I'm sure the team told him to move on.
Max said they did have a discussion about it with the team, and that he they felt accepted his reasoning. But that wasn't passed on to the other side of the garage.
Max has complained about drivers deliberately crashing during qualifying quit often over the years and pushed for rule changes in that area. So you can imagine him being not to happy about it if his team mate does exactly that to him, specially not after a season were every point mattered and with him only having the narrowest of leads over his main competitor.
I think this might be more about how RB strategy didnt benefit Max on Monaco, I remember an article about Joss Ver talking crap about RB strategy in that race
Bingo you got it! Even though Perez qualified ahead of him they forgot who their No1 driver was but the Verstappens didn’t
I think Max would be tripping if he thought Checo's spin was intentional. Regardless of "telemetry data" or "engine notes", there was no reason for Checo to throw his lap away. He didn't set a personal best in the 1st sector, but he was only half a tenth down on Charles's best lap. He was still on for pole! Why throw it away for P3 when there's a chance for better? Also, no one would "choose" to loop their car right before the tunnel. The barriers are tight, so you'll most likely pick up damage (which Checo did), and you risk getting hit by another car (which Checo did, by Charles), and you risk taking a gearbox penalty for slamming the back of your car against the wall (which was very possible), *and* you could absolutely destroy any hope of racing in the GP, *and* you risk being marked as one of those dirty drivers who intentionally red-flagged the race with a crash.
Y'all... I understand that some F1 drivers have made sleezy moves in the past, but let's not throw Checo under that bus. He's already had enough thrown at him this week (and the whole year, in fact). Let's give him a break
In Monaco Max wasn't the 2022 champion, so Checo, if crashed on purpose, hindered Max in his fight with Charles, which wouldn't be show Checo as a great team player either.
Checo constantly gets told to move out the way I agree your right he wasn’t being a good teammate in that moment come race times he is the constant teammate and max was crying over a 6th vs 7th he did more damage than good at Brazil
I will say it these video in slow mo always look worst than real time in slow mo were like he had time in reality .03 is like a blink of an eye
@@westcoasthype619 I think it's a matter of principle for Max in this regard. I also believe that there's an element of frustration in Checo by not just being slower than Max but also being in the slow end of top 6.
@@westcoasthype619 What is this constantly you speak of? Spain and Baku, because he was slower...
Why is everyone acting like it doesn’t make sense for him to crash and secure p3, he knew he wasn’t improving that lap so he played the hand he had. Crashing kept him ahead of max, the main person he has to compete with. If Max is ahead at Monaco Perez will never win but if it’s just the Ferraris there was always the chance Ferrari Fs up, and they did
You know, its pretty telling that every time that F1 has some controversy or issue Indycar has a perfect solution that got implemented years ago
So I am guessing that no driver can make mistakes anymore. So if you are coming out a corner and apply too much trottle, needs investigation. Lock up your brakes, need investigation. Start the race with pit limtter on, needs investigation.
The red flag though was caused by Carlos getting tangled with Checo wasn't it? Checo's crash on its own was merely a yellow flag and it is possible they could have dragged his car to the escape road at the corner under yellow but with Carlos getting stuck the track was blocked thus the red. I'm just saying that the crash from Checo, by itself, did not actually cause the red so even if he did crash deliberately which we don't know one way or the other, it was still only a yellow and might have stayed a yellow??
It wouldn’t have stayed yellow anyways even if the Ferrari hadn’t crashed. Alonso wrecked his car seconds later which would have caused a red flag anyways
Max fans could say both conspired to help Charles. yeah it's that ridiculous. Max is just selfish. thats why he didn't help out his teammate
@@ThatLaloBoy I think this adds to Matthew's point, Perez's crash didn't trigger the red flag but being collided into by Carlos. I doubt he had masterminded with Carlos a plan to crash and also paid of Alonso in case he didn't get the job done.
What a stupid take. But not unexpected from WTF1. How is Max the one 'burning bridges'? In Max's eyes it is ofcourse Checo who did that. He is not going to let that slide ofcourse, but he couldn't say anything or it would be leaked to the press.
Charles last year in monaco:
Troll face
Not starting the race
Versappen: KARMA
thanks for clearing that up. now i know exactly what happened
But Matt, you can't talk bad about Checo, now the entirety of Mexico will go after you because Checo never does anything wrong.
I love how people are burning Max for this tho, as if this shit didn't happen before DTS and social media. Those days we just accepted it as "doing everything to win" and moved on.
We praise Schumacher for all he did but he also did plenty of things wrong.
Stop getting your panties in a twist and do the same as we did back then.
What a perfect comment 👍🏽
Yeah, I totally remember that no one was angry when Schumacher used to do deliberatly bad stuff to win. What a load of nonsense.
Schumacher used to get no end of criticism for his antics, no one "just accepted" it.
@@bipolarminddroppings We said he did things wrong, we talked about the things he did wrong and moved on. This endless media pandering, extreme toxicity and even death threats towards family members and team members. The cults behind drivers at each others throat trying to one up each other. Yeah no, totally the same as back then mate.
Yes he did in the same way Russel crashed on purpose in last race
Don’t say it too loud the Brits might get upset
4:11 couldn't have said it better. It's just ridiculous that the method Max decided to settle this is to burn the whole team in front of the public, as if he isn't part of the RB family.
that indycar rule with your lap time deleted after crashing in quali would be the most fair one
Back then during the Monaco quali, what i've noticed is that, not only Checo had an abrupt throttle application, he also didn't even tried to collect the car and correct the wheel. That for me was a bit weird.
there's literally nothing checo could've done to avoid the barriers once the back of his car was sliding away. If he were faking, you could assume he would actually be attempting to counter steer a little since it would look suspicious asf if he didn't do it
@@chickenindabox3169 that is the thing why it now looks more suspicious. no F1 driver would just have let his reflexes be bitten that quickly, let alone be overrode by.
I don't think it can be understated how incredibly petty this was from Max, after having had the most dominant win almost in F1 history, he's still nursing a grudge to his team mate, who may or may not have deliberately crashed WAY back in Monaco, but who was also instrumental in Max winning last year.
It's stuff like this, and his driving to collide with Hamilton last season that make me really dislike Max again (having disliked him at first for crashing with everyone, then as he "matured" was lulled into thinking "maybe he's not so bad" but stuff like this I think is telling.
"You do wonder if there's more things the FIA can do to stop these sorts of things?" - Matty
Maybe not race at terrible tracks that are virtually impossible to pass on with the current regs/layout. Throwing out their lap also seems pretty fair.
Just like a few races ago when everyone said Checo crashed in Q3 to stop the Mercs from possibly getting pole... I am not a RB fan and in fact hate their entire team, but believing that anyone of the 20 drivers out there would crash on purpose to stop qualifying when they themselves are still trying to grab P1 is ridiculous.
My guess is that earlier in the season when Checo was doing great and nearly tied with Max in the championship, Checo and his family implied that RB was purposefully changing the car to support Max. Seeing how much Max hates any implication that he isn't the sole purpose for his success, those types of comments and insinuation that Perez could have beat Max if the cars were being developed to support both driving styles would have pissed off Max (and his dad).I think his refusal to give Perez 6th place was more about reiterating that Max is "Driver 1" and any and all strategy moving forward should reflect that (still a dick move after winning the championship, but less ridiculous than insinuating Max held a grudge for 6 months related to an incident that cannot be proven and is likely not true).
Max said he gave his reasons "Last Summer" as in not this year. Everyone is focusing on this year incorrectly
Last summer is this year's summer, right ?
He actually said "last Sunday", not "last summer" 😅
Doesn’t matter whether he crashed on purpose, Max had nothing to gain in Brazil anymore, he’s got the title and it was just unnecessary.
He didn’t make anything better for himself, he just made it worse for others, his teammate even.
ok they could of not ask him because he already told them no....
It could be something else entirely, you know. We have no way of knowing what the case is.
_If_ it is the case that it was deliberately done, maybe the team were angry with Checo, but needing the points at the time because of the unreliability at the start of the season, decided to ask Max to not say anything in public or to the stewards. Again, _IF_ this is the case, especially as it screwed Max's potential pole or front row start and therefore a potential win, and after losing 50 points due to that unreliability, he'd have been rightly fuming (this was _long_ before it became obvious who'd win the championship).
Repeating myself here: *_IF_* this is the case, and he said nothing to the stewards or the press, then up until Brazil he had played it bloody cool because this came out of the blue. Maybe he'd made it clear at that time that he'd eff up one of Checo's races if he was asked to help out? 🤷🏻♀️
This is ALL speculation, and is as likely as anything else being put about. I haven't got a clue what _actually_ kicked it all off, and neither does anyone outside of Red Bull, and they won't be saying anything. His smile to the Sky reporter _could_ be because they were on the wrong track (literally), and because they've not exactly been even-handed with him as they have been with others (especially one particular person at Sky...), he's been willing to let them be left with egg on their faces. It's possible, after all.
Frankly, I don't think this endless speculation is doing anyone any good and I'm bored with it.
I'd like to see the same analysis on Russell beaching his car on purpose during quali before the sprint. Rain coming in...perfect timing. He was also on pavement then spun back in the gravel.
According to some brazilian press the possible reason for Checo did this is from Spain. He had to give the position 2 times to Max.
Can I think that Ricciardo is looking for Checo's place? This announcement is just in time don't you think?
For me, it's crazy that F1 still allows you to hold your position even after crashing out in qualifying. As you pointed out, in other motorsports like indycar and nascar, this would never fly. Even in Brazil last week, I doubt Russell would have won if he had not held up qualifying by spinning into the gravel. If you crash or cause a red flag, I think you should absolutely get your lap deleted or have a grid penalty.
Yep, PER in Monaco - crashing and winning, RUS in Brazil - crashing and winning, NOR in Imola - crashing and getting his best result of the season (P3). Last season, GAS in Qatar - blew up his tire, brought out the yellow flags...and got a front row start in the end.
That's an utterly sick and twisted pattern, and should have been dealt with already ages ago. Smh. I have no idea what's going on in the heads of those FIA dudes who still allow this to happen.
I think I'm right in saying indycar has a rule that if you cause a disruption to qualifying running you lose your best lap time?
Worth thinking about if f1 wants to avoid incidents like this as these "strategies" are not new and not going away, if teams are prepared to do this then how long is it before we see a similar "crashgate" type situation.... Especially when Monaco is basically impossible to overtake at
I dont think so
I think he was trying to try different throttle teqineke{ sorry for spelling mistake}
all racing drivers have diffrenet driving styles, and they try to get fast and find faster lines every time they are on track. If you sim race or race in irl you tried alot of racing lines to get faster{i play gt sport with no tc}
I am always trying diffrenet lines some corners i spin alot and some corners you have to drift to get the most time possible. Checo had a decent quil lap so I think he tried to drift the corner or some thing like that maybe he can get faster but he oversteered
I think anyone who crashed in any qualifying session should have lap times deleted and start from scratch, especially when the session is close to the end, because his actions interrupted the other drivers to improve their times.
I wouldn't call it a "grudge" from Verstappen.
Clearly by Verstappen's radio, it has been spoken before within the team and they made a decision about helping eachother.
Have two qualifying sessions, instead of FP2 you have regular Q1, Q2, and Q3. Then Saturday is a one-shot qualifying for the grid and where ever you finished in the first qualifying is the order of choice you have on when you go out in the one-shot qualifying E.g Finish 1st in Q3 gets the first choice in one-shot qualifying. This will also stop purposeful crashes while adding an extra exciting session instead of a practice session.
Where were all these experts who claim Checo 100% did it on purpose 5 months ago? I even went back to official F1 posts on Instagram as well as the replay on YT and no one accused Checo of doing it on purpose. Hmmmmmmm 🤔
The incident that caused Max to do this was in Mexico, not Monaco. After Mexi the Drivers unfollowed each other etc. Monaco was just an easy scapegoat
Telemetry says yes
Mentioning schumi & nico but his so likeable (drooling over) dude leclerc what he did in 2021…..well played 👏🏻
Perez wouldn’t risk a gearbox penalty for P3
Is perez crashed on purpose, does that mean carlos crashed on purpose aswell?
No
No
No, Carlos didn't throttle up in the middle of the corner with complete steering lock to the right, causing Max to have to abort his lap. Which inevitably lead to Max finishing 3rd.
Yep, average verstappen fan logic
Russel did in last race
the fact that people are actually going back in time to defend max’s actions is just ridiculous. red bull would’ve immediately got rid of him if that was the case
ikr, Checo binned it unexpectedly for a worthless p3? RB's best supporting driver ever helping another team on purpose? helped Ferrari more than hindered Max. Monaco was not in any way intentional just MV fans bring this up. Max has an attitude problem. RB would be good to get rid of him tho I think his contract extends thru 2026
Gob is doing an F1 post show with Mika Hakkinen?
Can’t lie I feel like his foot just pressed the throttle to hard when trying to adjust his foot position for the consecutive corners
Surely if he had done it on purpose he would have been hit with a fine for it
how would the fia know it was on purpose
I think that's kinda the point, if it comes to light, he might be investigated, that's probably why Red bull have been trying to calm things down and keep it private
did you even watch the video?
Even if the Monaco incident is on purpose, that doesn’t excuse Max’s actions and red bull’s terrible statement and lack of action.
No, it does, Checo crashing caused Max to not be able to finish his lap, meant Max started further down the grid, which means he only got 3rd. If he had Qualied above Checo he most likely would have won, he cost Max a theoretical win. I'd be pissed too. Esp with the way the race shook out, Max would have won.
how is that? What Checo did to Max in Monaco is way much worse then what Max NOT did in last race
Max was at the time in a pretty hard battle with leclerc for the championship, was a few points in the lead, and he was on a lap good enough for P2, on a track were ferrari seemed unbeatable and were overtaking was almost impossible
@@bingusworshipper bruh but at brazil he all ready won the WDC, so it does not excuse his actions!
@@eco_logic Well, maybe he doesn't want to help cheaters plus if you arent fast enough to make an overtake yourself maybe you don't deserve to be 2nd in the championship
Checo did it on purpose. For 3rd. He knew that the Monaco GP would be red flagged for rain. Then it would dry up in the middle of the race. He also knew that Ferrari would botch the pit strategy with Leclerc ending up behind MAX and ALSO the Williams hold back Sainz after the pit. So Checo could win AFTER the laps were cut due to time. Checo knew all of this when he was coming up to Portier. Conspiracy confirmed!
If only he could give me the winning lottery number now.. 🤔
People defending Verstappen are like him,Birds of the same feathers flock together
Lol