What’s Behind the Verstappen-Perez Drama?
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What do you think is the reason/incident Max gave to the team to justify ignoring team orders, regardless of deliberate or not which is irrelevant was it Monaco? Something else? Let me know?
you have no data only few clips and though you are not concluding anything but there is enough attempt by you to set the narrative. by watching your video it feels like you are justifying what max did. typical F1 and typical fanboi stuff...
for the sec of argument lets just assume perez cheated and actually did that ....even then a real man would go , confront and talk it down then n there. to hold a grudge for so long ( for a self assumed fault ) and to get all the help from the guy and then bring it out when he needs help is even more stupid , unmanly cowardly act.
@@cult_personality He didn't frame it like Max was justified. He says in the end that even if Checo did crash deliberately, that there's no reason or benefit for Max to bring the incident out into the public like this. Also, there's telemetry available that shows that acceleration spike very clearly. Of course it could be a mistake and even with all the telemetry available, it doesn't prove anything because drivers make mistakes all the time, so nothing will come of this unless Checo comes forward and admits it.
@@cult_personality Not sure if you watched the end of the video but I'm not justifying anything, I think what he did to undermine the team was really stupid, I'm asking fans for their conclusion for WHY they think he did what he did
@@Aldas001 I think it has something to do with Max's unyielding on track personality which we are used to seeing in him never backing off in wheel to wheel battles. When asked about letting a position go and live to fight another day he said "only a weakling would do that".
I think a similar mentality is present here. Max feels like he would have passed Checo anyway had Checo not been asked to give the place and therefore Max feels he is not required to give the position back. Unfortunately, I don't think he really cares whether Leclerc or Perez finishes P2, and cares more about giving his best performance in any race even if the championship is already decided.
Aldas, I think this is deeper than monaco, Checo and Max unfollowed each other after the Mexican GP, and it's possible that Max also learned about Monaco only recently, might have been 6 months ago, but if that was the case for Max it would feel as a fresh wound.
Apparently after RB owner's death, both Max's and Checo's parents got into heated arguments about having more ownership within the team.
Max should get an Oscar now, holding a grudge all this time and acting like nothing happened.
Thats what happened when you grow up with an abusive father figure. Where do you think he learnt it from?
Max should get a boot up his ass. How can you be so petty towards your teammate who helped you plenty of times? Especially when it's over finishing in P6/P7 for fucks sake.
What a tart.
This guy talking on this video sounds like an honest "Max Fan Boy." The Monaco race was 14 races ago...do you know how many times Checo helped that Spoiled Brat since Monaco...Please!
Seeing how people treat lewis for "being a drama queen" complaining about the porpoising in baku even tho you can clearly see how bad it is
People were way too harsh on lewis this season
I still don't understand the logic. Max truly has nothing to gain.
Ego
ARROGANCE
Petty revenge is irrational sometimes.
I feel like right now his ego is off the charts, I mean back-to-back wdc and the fact he win this year by a loong shot. Idk maybe he feels like he's bigger than the team rn
Its hard to understand kids these days.
Checo's reaction is also very telling. He isn't suprise like most fans were (except the ones that instantly go on the hate wagon) he reacted like he was expecting it. There is very clearly way more to this, i wonder if we'll ever find out what has happened behind closed doors
Exactly
I think there's more to this than Monaco. I think this whole thing is red bull allowing journalists to do exactly what they are doing. Running with a silly rumor.
One expects Checo is too professional to hang his dirty laundry out in public, which will happily only make Max deservedly look worse by comparison.
I can't imagine Helmut is one to ever mince his words, or tolerate behaviour such as Max's - talent or no, no driver is 'bigger' than the team they work for. I suspect he's been warned that acting like a SOB again will lead to his ejection from the team, and who would want him after?
@@charlesjmouse people seriously still blame max for this?
@@lars7747 Yes, he acted like a spoiled brat.
If Merc get involved and it becomes a 3 way fight for the title. Max may have serious issues, because where 2021 he only really had to deal with Lewis and 2022 for half the season he had to deal with Leclerc, but potentially 2023 he could be dealing with Leclerc, Lewis, George and Sainz if he carries on this form. Then even as talented as he is, Max will need a teammate to help him every now and again.
100% right. George is the highest caliber teammate Louis has had since Roseburg. Next year I think will be very exciting. Alonso at Austin Martin who has goals of winning a title, Lando is really good in a good car and of course the two Ferrari and Merc drivers are all great.
good point. Checo 1st year in red bull is to help Max win, very straight forward, otherwise, he will retire f1. Checo 2nd year , he think he proved himself and he deserves to fight for the championship against Max, Checo is funny he thinks he stands a chance.
@@jwyoungy Valteri is definitely fast driver, but he is late to the party. Mercs need George to help with the new car design regulations, George might understand how to work the car better than lewis. George will still be ahead of Lewis next year.
@@chadgtr34 I'm not so sure about that. I think George is faster than Val but Hamilton I think is still the best driver. Hamilton has done better than George on the last half of the year. The bouncing issue really effected Louis where George seemed to be able to work with it more.
@@jwyoungy yea, definitely Hamilton's mindset is super strong. he has Angela, helping him bend matter.
Max just disrespected hundreds of Red Bull employees, not just Perez. He essentially communicated, My grudge is more important than the teams one two in the standings, I don’t care how hard you’ve worked.
Dude I'm just a fan and I feel disrespected. Screwed his teammate, the rest of his team and all Red Bulls fans too.
Exactly
to be fair, checo also disrespected hundreds of RB employee by deliberately crashing the car to be fair.. though max is more of a morale damage than checo is for financial and also man hours for repairing the car
@@ferryfernandus1423 he didn't though
There are no points for driver standings are there?
Max is that kid who doesn't let you play with his toys even though he's currently playing with something else.
Well put. Max would have burnt Woody, Buzz and all the others instead of donating them to Bonnie
Good point 👍.. 200 % aggree with you
Exactly my dog lol
Bruh, that wasn't even his place, checo give it to him and hoping he could overtake Alonso, and when he couldn't, they just asked him to give it back
Spot on
The biggest issue I have with this is him telling the team not to ask him to do that again. That more than refusing to give up the spot shows that he already feels he is bigger than the team. Checo was ordered to give Max the spot and that is all good but asking Max to give the spot back should never be done? Regardless of if Monaco was an accident or not Checo did far more to help Max in getting both of his titles than he did to hinder that.
I was rooting pretty equally for Max, Checo, Leclerc and Sainz this year but hopefully Leclerc and Sainz will be much more consistent next year for one of them or Checo to get a title. Unfortunately F1 itself has been even or worse than last year as a whole when it comes to controversies and horrible calls and I don't understand why WRC doesn't seem to have nearly as many problems even with the FIA running them as well.
Well max might be right to think that. Not literally of course because of the Seb Vettel era, but when max came in the team was nowhere, rebuilding and relient on Riccardo. Max immediately starts beating Riccardo who quits seeing the writing on the wall. Max the with a car completely designed around him dominates Gasly and Albon. Max then essentially wins the title in the first consistently good car red bull has built in about a decade albeit with a lot of help from the FIA. So from his perspective the teams progression is in line with his own, he might think that red bull would be mediocre again if he were to leave and from a simple point of view every year he has been at the team they have improved in some way. This is the danger of appeasement those with the power will think they are more powerful than the circumstances that gave them power. Of course its beneficial for red bull to let their dominant generational drivers rule everything Vettel won 4 titles for them max already has 2.
The thing with F1, FIA and controversies is the fact that a bunch of corporate suits decide what happens in a sport that they mostly have little to no idea how it works or what the fans want. They always try to implement new things and expect for the viewers/drivers to be OK with them not working properly. As someone would expect from a multimillion dollar industry. I think FIA is a joke nowadays and will only get worse.
Looking back at how they handle most big events and rule breaks you can clearly see that the FIA has no idea what they are doing and are clearly hurting the sport if anything else.
@@kiritsakis1Yes, I agree completely with the FIA essentially creating its own controversies in both abu Dhabi and jeddah last season in a championship that was already better than most in the past 2 decades. This year them seemingly not knowing or following their own rules or precidents. My question is how do we as fans make that change without watching the admittedly still pretty good racing. I know it can be done I just dont know how.
@@phightinphil25 You make it very complicated,but in fact it is quit simple. They discussed this long before the race and all agreed. Max told them what they could expect, and even told them why. Than it is very inappropriate to put him on the spot by asking him over the radio to let Checo pass. So Max has my respect for standing by his word and not give in when things become uncomfortable.
@@petervanloon885 I respect that as a team leader Max probably has the right and occasionally the need to put cheko in his place. It was his position cheko should have found away around if it was crucial to him.
Very well-made video. Clearly depicting your point of view on the matter and providing both short-term and long-term implications, while leaving every opportunity for viewers to draw their own conclusions. Keep it up, Aldas!
Someone on Sky said that if he actually admitted that he had crashed on purpose and confessed about it to Helmut Marko he would have been fired on the spot. Also crashing out to secure P3 is so ridiculous, if he had been on pole and did that it makes sense its still cheating but at least it makes sense as to why he would have done it. This theory that Perez crashed on purpose because he wanted to be ahead of Verstappen is so BS concocted just to justify what Verstappen did in Brazil was payback and so its justified.
he probably admitted recently
i dont think it was monaco bc i think max didnt want to give checo a run in spa for q3. In his radio after brazil he says last summer.
also at a point where he was really close if not faster then max. not like he was way off for seasons and felt like he could never beat max so he felt like he needed to cheat to get the result
But bhai... If u see... Verstappen has taken so much from checo In general... And Abu Dhabi last year... And may times when checo gave him a tow... Idk... Max is still a kid :)... I mean checo isn't justified either but ohhh boi max
@@harshit7369 Max is in his 8th year of F1. He isn’t a kid anymore. It’s not an excuse. He’s just arrogant and narcissistic.
WHY IN THE FK WOULD CHECO EVER ADMIT TO CRASHING ON PURPOSE TO MARKO AND HORNER?! I would’ve gone home and told my wife and literally not another soul. “Ah that spike in throttle? Foot spasm. Nothing I could do.”
Exactly this seems super dumb to me. Why would Checo admit this when Max is clearly Red Bull's preffered driver, especially when Max was still fighting for the championship? He would literally lose his contract. Unless Red Bull have solid evidence why would he ever admit it. Also who crashes out for p3?
He didn't. The Dutch media is biased.
@@hueyfreeman7810 I believe that.
@@10parth10 yeah he goes and tells the two biggest Max-riders on the planet that he intentionally sabotaged his race start? Lol wtf?
@@thetruebatman4632 to be fair with the onboard footage, even if checo didn't tell, the throttle spike is quite jarring. and with him either forced to admit or did admit by himself. its a bit of an oof moment because even martin pointed out about it. i will not say Max is justified doing his shenanigans, but that does mean even checo himself isn't an innocent angel or once in a while has its own agenda
In my opinion i think that this pettiness and grudge is also as a cause of his father, bc straight after the race in monaco he said congrats to checo and the team ( if i recall correctly) and then a few hours after that his father said all these things about prioritising max etc etc which may perhaps lead to the grudge itself
Max can't handle a more experienced driver..he is mentally fragile.
We need a Nico-in-2016 like season from Checo next year and a few engine failures for Max
Like Nico, that was the only way Perez was going to win a wdc.... That ship has sailed. Mercedes are back
I just can't get behind the idea that Checo crashed on purpose. And even if Max had substantial reason to believe so, after coming off one of the most dominant title runs in recent memory it's surprising that he'd directly go against his team just to throw a jab at his teammate.
Perez is the last driver I’d expect to crash on purpose. He is too nice for that
@@allenjackson2846 meh, he did some sketchy stuff though, while in force india.
Well clearly something ticked Max off he had nothing to gain but hatred for him when he did that, and he was willing to accept that to prove a point. I don't believe Max just woke up and decided listen I'm gonna piss 75% of my fanbase off today. And he was adimate that they all knew what he was going to do they just threw in a "Let him pass" in the hope he would yield.
@@samwlloyd Max and his father Jos have very strict ideas about right and wrong, and they will defend their view on what is "right" in their mind to the death, no matter what. Same for punishing the "wrong". Dutch speaking people knew that from seeing them for 20 years on Dutch TV and press already. This was not a surprise.
How does this comparison video not make it completely obvious? Or are you just utterly clueless on how to drive a car fast and maintain traction?
The radio by checo at the end of the race was almost heartbreaking.
“It’s discipline”
-Max Verstappen, Austria 2018
Crash-tappen showing his true colours. Perez is learning the hard way what Richardo has known for years. Great job Red Bull, I was rethinking my dislike for your team recently but Crash-tappen helped me to shake me awake. Like Crash-tappen, "I gave my reasons last year, I stand by it, okay?"
It’s honestly ridiculous to say that Checo spun on purpose, and admitted it to Christian and Helmut. He would’ve been fired immediately.
yeah i don't get why he keeps saying this is a stone cold truth
checo is a great #2 driver and that might be a reason to keep a driver who deliberately *crashes* your multi-million dollar car, BUT... what value does a #2 driver bring to a team if he's crashing cars to stop your #1 driver from winning?!?
with max and leclerc so close in points at the time, how could RB possibly keep a driver who was sabotaging max's chances at winning the championship?!? i love checo, but he could have been easily replaced mid-season without any real consequences for the team. if he really crashed on purpose, yeah he would have been fired immediately.
Spinning and crashing with the back end hitting the wall first risked damaging the gear box. That would have given him a penalty. If he really wanted to crash deliberately, he would have crashed nose first.
I don't think he would be fired, RedBull literally went out of their junior program to get him and I don't see who else could come with the experience and consistency he has. I don't even like Checo, but he is a solid driver
is it really? look at the telemetry, he completely floored it before he even hit the apex, and he's too experienced to make such a mistake. it's such a weird spin as well, normally you'd expect a spin at that corner to happen after the apex when the driver goes on the throttle again but doesn't have the rear grip for whatevr reason, what checo did looked more like something a drift guy would do to yeet his car around the corner.
@11:30 "Max showed a serious flaw in his ability as a leader on the same day Lewis was celebrating a win for his teammate as if he had won the race himself."
I dont remember but I am not sure if Lewis was always so overjoyed for his teammates winning. for example his rivalry with Alonso when he was the wonderkid of wonderkids or versus Rosberg. Lewis is the best driver of all time all he has left to do is accumulate stats and be a genuinely great person on his way out. This is not to defend Max's pettiness of course its just a reminder who often great drivers footballers etc. are incredibly petty especially when they havent achieved what is expected of them and what they expect of themselves. Its interesting how Vettel has become mostly less self centered ad far more calm and nuanced as he has gotten older and chasing Lewis or history has become impossible. I hope that when Max is ready to leave the sport he can be similar to Lewis or Seb more for his own sake than anything just look at he way Ronaldo is acting and behaving on his way out as the lesson to avoid.
Lol . Lewis is the biggest a hole. Always treats his team like crap and his wingman as his personal bitch all those years. And everyone forgets about it.
@@deamon215 I suspect if Max wins 4+ titles and matures a bit, probably less than Lewis or Seb, everybody minus certain hard core Lewis fanboys will forget about this and similar incidents. Bottas was completely subservient to Lewis and that was needed because Merc wanted to avoid drama. The best often demand submission or compliance. Max wants checo to block for him and get out of the way and if he does than everything is fine if not he probably feels he needs to remind his teamate who is the #1. It sucks for checo like it did for Mark Webber but he isn't even as good as Webber was so the best thing for everybody is to work out what scenarios if any are ok for Checo to win or be the lead car. Or we could have Checo Ocon mk. 2.
Lewis need a Oscar giving max no room others wise he had won what a 🤡
exactly, its the public radio that makes it tough, i am a big max fan, and im dutch, but this is very very sad from max. I can hear it in his voice on the radio, it sounds like him back in 2016/17 when he had his shorter temper. This could even mean the downfall for a team, bc you've now broken so much trust. They seemed on such good conditions, and max even said checo was his favorite teammate, but after this trust might be broken and you could end up with a real rivalary in the team. i am very confused about this all. Lets hope nothing bad will come of it.
Excellent analysis & conclusion in the end. Sincerely Yours, a Dutch MV fan.
Absolutely solid point that if the Silver Arrows are indeed back then the red bulls will absolutely need each other.
I hope so .. and I’m a RB fan
Well but you are assuming that Lewis and George will work together if they have a championship winning car. And honestly, I wouldn't put my money on that
If anything, Max would still benefit there, since he wouldn't have to care about Checo, who can realistically beat him 1 every 10 races
Like, out of the 3 top teams, Red Bull is the only one that has clearly a 1st and 2nd driver and the pace difference between them is quite substantial
@@mariano1428 well, mercedes does a much better job at managing drivers than red bull. this is the very reason why ricciardo left RB. disgusting environment
@@mariano1428 it will be great to see because Lewis is obviously staying to get that 8th title and now George has tasted victory so it would be absolutely entertaining to see. As a Mercedes fan i would welcome it
@@mariano1428 I guess in that case Toto would put his foot down.
Re: The engine "throttle spike" - sounds an awful lot like the throttle spike comes form checo just getting on the power a hair too soon, and he immediately backed off once the wheels lost traction. Once the wheels spun, the RPMs rose even though the throttle was in the same position. If you've ever tried to hold a car at the limit of grip, that is definitely the sound of "You ran out of traction, idiot" which is then followed by the car getting a massive rear-ward weight shift, and either a spin or a slide or a crash depending on how fast you react and what's around you.
As for any arguments about intent, I agree with the call that if that's what Checo was doing, they would've noticed it immediately and he'd be without a drive. RB would rather take Gasly than someone who'd risk any accusations of race fixing. At least....I'd *hope* RB would be quick to distance themselves from it. We've seen stranger things already.....but I don't think that's the case here.
Who spins at that corner ? Never seen it ever
@@F1Purist1950 Senna, in 1988 - czcams.com/video/K0KRsCX_5A4/video.html
@@F1Purist1950 Carlos sainz
im a Leclerc fan but i honestly hope that if Perez gets P2, he does it without Max’s help, just so that he doesnt owe him anything and can sabotage his WDC next year
Yeah, that throttle blip definitely sounds like the rear tires breaking loose from getting on the power too early, but we cannot know for sure without seeing the full telemetry.
Max is on a dangerous trajectory in life. Hopefully, he will realize sooner than later, that petty unforgiveness will only isolate you and that you will find, all the glory now is forgotten later. You will end up all alone if you are an unforgiving, grudge-bearing individual. He can make a turnaround! It's not too late.
BTW, great video and great journalism
The point is that when your fixing races you're a dickhead. IF it is true I am not going to act like an expert here.
Max is the expert, he thinks it was. People need to realize how dangerous that stunt is, to deliberately crash in order to secure a better spot. that's just fucked up.
IF it is true, Max is 200% justified to make a stern point. that's my opinion anyway.
Not ever 1 need other people to live your live
Best explanation of the situation out there. Thanks for the vid
As gauche as the crash was, it seems far fetched to think securing a p3 was that important to Checo. It's not like he knew Ferrari were going to bottle it. They still looked very much like contenders at this point. If anything, Monaco was the turning point. All that being said, I could see this being the incident that leads to a rule change just to put an end to this kind of speculation. Crash the car, get your time deleted.
It's about beating you're teammate so you can still get support in your championship bid. If the point gap is big enough all the support goes to Max that's what Checo was trying to avoid. After that weekend everyone was talking about how Checo was in the Championship fight and Redbull are being force to see Checo as a contender. So this Idea that he has nothing to gain is Laughable. If Max finishes ahead of him in Monaco his championship is over.
@@blockchainalpha Yeah I still find that it was pretty dumb of Perez to choose that moment to do something so shifty. There's no way he could know that it would work out as well as it did. I guess he must have been on a bad lap at that time and though he had more to gain by crashing than setting a slower time than before. The fact that he already had his new contract in his back pocket at that point probably emboldened him to pull the kind of move that would have compromised his standing with the team otherwise. I am coming around to believing the evidence against him. Red Bull had the telemetry data so he probably couldn't hide the truth from them even if he wanted to. Honestly, I think crashing intentionally for any reason should get you kicked out of F1 permanently. It's such an irresponsable, short-sighted and unsportsmanlike thing to do. It makes Max's beef with him legit and ultimately makes Checo the bigger POS of the two. It was short-sighted of Max to call attention to all this Red Bull dirty laundry but it's better for the sport as a whole that this bush league shit gets exposed.
Bring back one-lap qualifying for Q3 and we won't have this problem.
@@fleursbruyantes4177 your second comment is the most sensible thing I've read about this topic. I mean it's Monaco, every position counts as you can't really overtake. Strategy is the only way to really gain position in Monaco and being in front of max with a better shot at a podium or win would give him the better strategy. Seeing how close the championship was at that point he might have felt that it was necessary to stay close to max.
@@fleursbruyantes4177 And Helmut didn't say anything? and Ferrari didn't say anything?
and no one in the FIA saw anything?
If it was so obvious, why does it come out 8 months later? Just when Max ruined his reputation
Great video. When max is older and reflects on this, he might regret it. It was ridiculously petty and unnecessary. He’s also created a mess for Christian who is trying to clean up the fall out from overspendgate. At some point Max will need help from Checo next year and it might not come.
A champion can be a narcissist, especially when Max is in company of another narcissist champion, Nelson Piquet. He may not regret this at all even 50 years from now.
Might? There’s no way in the world Max or the team can expect anything from Sergio here on in other than Sergio doing what’s best for himself. Just like Red Bull can’t afford to let Max go, they can’t afford to let Sergio go because they’ve got no one else to replace him with. They need a solid driver in the second car and there’s no one else to put in it. This is what a team reaps from a culture such as Red Bull’s; this has been a long time in the making. Max has spoken poorly about both Pierre and Alex in the past, viewing both drivers as inferior. Red Bull’s approach was to simply switch the drivers, reinforcing Max’s behavior and views. This is textbook bad parenting and how you end up with spoiled brats. Red Bull have no one else to blame but themselves for this mess.
It’s insightful contrasting the difference in radio instructions Alpine gave to Ocon during the race in Brazil to let Alonso through, getting to the point that Ocon was required to confirm he got the message. Alpine didn’t ‘ask’ Ocon to let Alonso through, they ‘demanded’ it even though Ocon tried to play dumb. Not only did Red Bull not demand Max follow orders, they followed that up with getting talked back to by Max. It was incredible.
I doubt it if Max keeps listening to Jos
@@stefanleonte3155 That's the thing, if your second driver is not close enough to offset other teams strategy with their drivers( looking more like charles,lewis and george), Redbull might find themself all at sea. just look at the help bottas offered hamilton in 2021, sweet fuck all. lol he even fought hamilton into turn 1 at the mexican gp losing both p1 and p2 on the 1st lap. Max will only know whats he's done next year when checo is holding him up or just letting driver breeze past.
Oh he will need help. The Mercs went from a bouncing joke to the fastest car in a matter of 20 races. The mercs are back. Hamilton is back. And Russel is nothing like the helpful teammate Bottas was.
If it's true that Checo did this then I think it speaks volumes about what it's like to be number 2 at Red Bull. He helped Max so much in 2021 and to be forced to concede the lead and the chance to win when he's still in a title fight must have shown him that Red Bull only care about one driver. Webber had a similar experience and Ricciardo left as he didn't want to be a number 2 to Max.
Red Bull need to start taking some responsibility for how they let it get to a point where one driver is ignoring team orders out of spite and the other one is crashing on purpose to stop their teammate improving their qualifying time.
I do believe that on the first part of the 2022 season Checo was a bit faster than Max , a real treat for him , however after some changes in FIA rules the RB car suddenly fit Max style better than Checo and the gap appear in perfirmance . It was a very noticeable situation .
when aldas drops, it never flops
been waiting for this vid :)
I can't help but feel like if Checo had won at any other race, Max would have claimed Checo was cheating there and would have tried to get "revenge" for that. Hell, I'm wondering how long until Max claims Checo robbed Singapore from him... poor Perez can't win
"Checo manipulated my fuel tank before qualifying"
@@jasperstollberg108 Checho emptied his fuel tank before Abu Dhabi..to spite Max
You are just a limited minded Max hater, nothing else. If Checo did this on purpose, then he can and will do it again. That was a message for him for the upcoming seasons. You get it? Is it hard to process?!
@@staLkerhu Exactly. This was Max saying: You f*ck with me, I f*ck you.
You raise a lot of good points. Great analysis!
Going forward, I can't see how this is will be okay. He's held on to this for a very long time and chosen now to show it? Has he viewed all in on track fights with Perez through this view?
If this is Monaco, holding on to negative thoughts about someone for so long will not go away with a simple handshake. The happy relationship is broken.
It’s going to be a Vettel and Webber relationship all over again at Red Bull.
After spain, when max went after russell one lap too long, and perez had said ‘not fair’a couple of laps earlier, I jokingly said perez is gonna get him back! And then when monaco came around and that happened, I called it as soon as I saw the onboard, bc it meant track position and strategy calls as lead driver!
Also, max’s demeanor changing during the japan austin and mexico weekends… it seemed weird that he changed from saying I’ll help checo in the beginning of the season to no gifts and I’m not slowing down!
I think there’s also a dispute with rbr, and he made his thoughts clear in a meeting pre race, and then on the onboard repeat he made his point… so if they knew his answer pre race… then why ask him again?
His ‘i stand by it’ quote feels like he dod make his point very clear
Also… the budget cap thing doesn’t sot well with team verstappen as it damages his title on top of masi’s blunder…
His face when asked abt the cap and toto’s rumours that it even could’ve influenced this seasons car… even though the both designs are two different caps, was killing.
Its michael jordan levels of pettiness, we will never understand, but I think this has more to do with rbr than even checo’s supposed stunt in monaco!
Aldas, the monaco incident is 100 percent speculation. You really think checo would purposely risk being investigated by the stewards amd possible being fire?
Why are people preaching the monaco incident like a religion.
Not only did max was a prick to checo also, the way max talk back to his engineer gave me strong “karen” vibes.
Max had an absurd amount on entitlement it was cringe.
Not only Max was petty about it but also his mother is now getting involved and resurfacing the Checo's cheating allegations. God this family has no chill about anything.
@@veronicaheredia Yeah it’s pathetic. Sadly, the verstappen family are karens. Specially jos and max
Exactly I mean Checo is incredibly dumb if he crashes out for p3 to me, just seems pointless. And he would never admit it either especially when Max is clearly the preffered driver and the championship was still close.
@@veronicaheredia we heard at one point his dad also got involved? Is this a family business or something? 😅
It's 100% speculation but it just intrigues me that Max didn't flat out deny it, I'm really curious what the reason is though although the team will never say
Even if Checo did crash deliberately, Max has no onne to blame but himself for unleashing a shitstorm onto RB (and potentially RB staff who had nothing to do with this)
I mean if he did express this stuff to the team repeatedly and they did nothing to try and clear the air before now then it’s on RB not Max
@@davidorndorf306 Yep, I concur.
RB did this to themselves with the whole cost cap thing. Max is the one who's taken the brunt of the scandal, even though he's just a driver.
My view on this incident has changed quite a bit since it happened on Sunday. It's true that we don't really know what caused it, and we'll never really know if Checo's crash in Monaco was deliberate (though I highly doubt it was). If it was deliberate and the team and Max knew that it was, then I understand why Max would be upset (see Hamilton's reaction after Rosberg's mistake in 2014). But if it wasn't deliberate, then either it wasn't even Monaco that Max was referring to, or Max was just a racing driver and didn't want to give up the place. Not a nice look as a team leader though, because Checo might not be so willing to help anymore and this might cause problems especially compounded with the 10% reduction in aero testing for RB for the budget cap breach.
It was deliberate, the telemetry doesn't lie.
The collision with hamilton also didn't help plus perez pace during that race was so horrible that even max went last on the grid 2x and still manages to catchup to perez lol
@@everydaydose7779 Yeah, at the end there, Max was 4 seconds ahead on him when they asked him to give the position back. Perez got passed by Sainz, LeClerc and Alonso like he was standing still and Max came up on him like a freight train, then waited for permission to pass.
Behind all the "race driver mentality" that max clearly has, I find it unfair that he would choose that particular time to go back at Perez. EVEN IF it was deliberate, it played no role in Max winning the WDC, all the while this tantrum might cost the person who he has to thank for the 2021 tittle the 2nd place and the team he owes everything to a first driver 1-2... All for a crash that after all changed nothing.
All that being said, it would be interesting to see what Max is really worth with no help from Perez.
@@kiritsakis1 What Max is worth? Checo is a good #2 driver with delusions of grandeur. He has one more career podiums than Max has wins this year. Checo's intentional crash in Q3 in Monaco set the grid, with him positioned ahead of Max, which ultimately decided the win, his 3rd for Red Bull in 2 seasons. Max has three wins in the last month. That crash cost Max 2 wins in a row in Monaco and at that point, he was only 6 points ahead of LeClerc, so it could have potentially cost Max more. We're judging Monaco with the benefit of hindsight. We don't even know if Max was only recently made aware of Checo's telemetry from Q3. If I were Max, I'd be pissed off too. The number one job of a #2 driver is not to screw over the #1 driver and Checo screwed Max over in Monaco.
It does sound to me like Checo spikes the throttle a smidge more coming out of the apex, but he seems to do it at the same point that everyone else presses the throttle. Is that enough to lose rear wheel traction and spin is something hardly any of us would know because few people know what it's like to drive an F1 car, even fewer have driven this year's car with the new specs and, more importantly to this discussion, the new RB powertrain, which was acting up a lot before the summer break.
there's telemetry data showing he completely floored it before even hitting the apex, makes it clear that it was more than just a small mistake.
When you hit a wet spot on the track and the tyre breaks traction, the throttle sensors spike because tyres loose grip and spins faster
Okay id say it was deliberately...but again you have to ask yourself a few more things
1. Isnt it too risky to crash at the rear and probably getting a damaged gearbox like leclerc
2. Checo could have had nerves and made that mistake ,even though hes the most gentle driver on throttle and the best at traction on the grid in my eyes
3. Why would Max after all the good achievements with checo still think about Monaco,even if everything was true
Might have surfaced recently that he did that
you don't crash deliberately if there is the cost cap
Regarding the 1st point, gearbox changes work differently this year I believe. They can be changed without penalty through the weekend. A gearbox penalty is only incurred if a driver exceeds the 4 gearbox pool over the season.
@@yacineg27 true but this in the end run still costs a gearbox which could later in the season end up with a grid penalty if more be needed
C'mon! The best way to figure out what happened is always to begin by asking TO WHAT PURPOSE? WHO BENEFITS? HOW MUCH? Apply it to the infamous Monaco crash (btw, nobody remembers that Alonso crashed even more weirdly in the previous curve almost at the same time!):
1. Checo was already on ROW 2 (3rd place), not a bad place to start for him.
2. The 2 Ferraris had a lock on the front row!
3. If Max had gotten pole, then Checo would be in a even *slightly better position* given that Sainz would now be by his side instead of ahead of him!!! THIS IS THE KILLER ARGUMENT. Checo would have benefited from Max's pole, for God's sake!
Max acted like a child. Getting revenge for something that happened months ago and for a P6 finish? This clearly shows how mature he is.
And this shows how narrow minded and stupid everyone on the internet. If Checo did this on purpose, then he can and will do it again. That was a message for him for the upcoming seasons. You get it? Is it hard to process?!
Max was pissed about his crash and penalty re Lewis. Monaco conjecture was of his own making, something he'd likely whined about to the team and stored away, he then used it as a foil rather than revealing that his truculence centred around his hatred for Lewis. Make no mistake be has been groomed to hate Lewis by the bigots and racists in his orbit. Let's see in Abu Dhabi, I predict if Lewis looks like winning and preserving a record win in every season, and if Max can crash and take him out he will.
Just like the evil DoJo Sensei in Karate Kid, Jos Verstappen is whispering "take him out". There's a crazy rant for you 😜
@@staLkerhu mate, if you were Perez right now, would you defend next year against any of Max's title contenders? would you ruin your strategy again as he already did multiple times just to help Max? I wouldn't...
@@maximilianmitroi8545 of course not, because I wasn't shy to be d*ck enough earlier in 2022. What is your point? If he will turn into Ocon or Stroll, then RB will kick his *ss out maybe even mid season. This guy at that moment thought he can do WHATEVER he want, but nothing can justify that behaviour!
@@underwun "Sweep the leg" 😂
Best video on this topic! Thanks for posting!
This is by far the best video on youtube that explains what the whole saga is all about. Irrespective of whether Checo crashed on purpose or not, its really petty how Max dealt with the whole thing. Not to forget what a crucial part Checo played last year as a great wingman in multiple races.
So because someone help you in the past you should accept treachery. If someone is a good person 99% of the time but backstab you 1% of the time. Should you now forgive and forget? Welcome to real world where ppl hold grudges regardless of how petty you think it is. You can steal once and be label a thief regardless of you past actions
if peco did what he did, then he deserves what max did, infact max's aproach was better then sebs to get revenge on mark multi 21.
People are so naive, and do not look up themselves. If you let it pass, you are just asking for more. It was ugly what Max did, but i believe i would have done the same think, I do not forget or accept treachery, and i do not care about the opinion of others, the ones who care, are the sheep of the bunch.
I look forward to your comments as Max helps Checco to a second place in Bacu...
@vgmalu That's your most intelligent argument? Well, at least you tried.
I don’t think Max knew about it until more recently. A few days before the Brazilian GP it was noted that Checo had unfollowed Max everywhere and such. That could hit at an falling out they must have had before the race weekend and it could have been then and there Max got to know about the Monaco quali crash.
But that’s my theory but it would make sense why he would take it out on Checo now and also their “falling out” a few days before Brazil.
But in the team radio verstappen said he told his reasons "last summer"
Max never followed Checo on IG so who knows
Let's not make stories out of social media accounts lol. It doesn't represent their personal lives.
@@GloomGaiGar exactly, their accounts are handled by their PR manager not them
@@cesarfly9474 "last night", not last summer. I saw that some people were quoting him as saying "last summer", but he said last night and this is all recent. I honestly think that Max just found out about the Monaco crash telemetry last week.
This is why I love Verstappen. He never said a word off-track, but waited for an opportunity to make his point on-track, like a real racer. What a purist!
He's a petulant child has absolutely no class.. He helped him win the last race last season to win the championship and repays him by disrespecting all of the team its bigger than 2 ppl what about all the other ppl in the other side of the garage.. Every time he fucks up and crashes its everyone else's fault. He never owns his shit
Because you are a c and so is he
Yeah, I get the feeling that 2023 is gonna ba harder for Max. Teammate less likely to help him, crew more apprehensive/reluctant to help him and all the while Mercedes will lap up this discord.
Maximum Overstappen Saiyan
With regards to the point about risking a penalty due to gearbox damage for Perez, gearbox penalties no longer work that way since the start of the 2022 season. Drivers have a pool of 4 gearboxes that they can change after running begins on a Saturday without incurring a penalty. Any new gearboxes used outside of the pool would then result in a 5 place grid penalty.
the rule change was after monaco
@@Tony-qt6yp No it wasn't it started at the beginning of the season. There are plenty of articles showing this if you just search "gearbox penalty F1".....
The first time you use one extra component is a 10 place grid penalty, not 5. 5 is for repeated occurrences.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino Not for gearboxes. "Once a driver requires a gearbox in excess of that four-component rule, they will receive a five-place grid penalty, with the same penalty being imposed for every subsequent gearbox introduction." They only get 10 places if they replace both of the components within the gearbox which are the "Gearbox case and cassette" (5 places) and the "Gearbox driveline, gearchange components and auxiliary components" (5 places).
Should have brought up Niko and Lewis as an example of Monaco quali
If max is holding some grudge against checo imagine how he feels about Lewis. and then imagine how lewis feels about max
Hamilton isn't Verstappen.
@@a.m.armstrong8354 and what is the relevancy or implication of that?
That’s Netflix conspiracy for content for next drive to survive season. 😂
You forgot key facts, such as: 1) Fernando Alonso also crashed in Monaco very nearly to Checo 2) In Brazil checo gave the position due to Team Orders...Max did not gave it back. This mess that Max created hurt all of his team and him.
Perez was driving like a turtle he took the position to attack Leclerc. Max has accident and penalty but he is still miles in front. Redbull need to ask why Checo is so slow.
@@bvb09cards26 Bruh, he said it himself wrong tire at the wrong time. He was just a passenger in those worn mediums.
@@bvb09cards26 Dude it's the same as Hamilton in Abu Dhabi and Leclerc in Silverstone. Old tyres against new softs. Is it your first f1 race?
@@MrTTe4eHbKA yeah it's my first f1 race the dude has been driving slow for months he has no pace at all.
@@bvb09cards26 we simply were watching a different driver then mate, you don't win two races by being slow.
The only one who has crashed onto someone on purpose is Max
Uhhh, no? Schumi and Vettel both did. All were stupid decisions and definitely now this was dumb from max but don’t pretend it’s new in f1
Yeah in these race. He said he did it on purpose.
Uhmmm Hamilton, Silverstone? at 160 mph?
@Aldas Excellent Video... perfectly put together, but I think Rosberg also turned off in Monaco to capture Pole!!!
Amazing work dude
Webber not getting 2nd shows how competitive the field was and how it wasn't a dominant car as everyone persumes it to be.
Correct. RB9 had tremendous amount of downforce but was running on a Renault engine. Vettel's driving style, braking and cornering is what RB9 look so unstoppable that people believe it was just car and not the driver.
Well, I agree on that first part but for the second one I disagree. Alonso ended that season as the 2nd driver with almost 160 points of difference behind Vettel. That's a huge of a difference! Webber was 3rd with almost 50 points behind Alonso who drove Ferrari which was 4th fastest car on grid after Mercedes and Lotus. Webber was just an average or even slightly below average in his last RB season and Vettel was clearly a better driver. Much better then Webber was in his prime which tells me that RB09 was indeed a very dominant car.
I see where you’re coming from, but Webber also struggled with the Pirelli tyres and, therefore, underperformed sometimes in the races
just have been close the first year as webber went into the final race leading
My take is that as Max was close to wrapping up the title, the team and him probably had internal talks about letting Checo through if it could get him 2nd in the championship and Max, being the dominant driver he is, no doubt said no, and that if they ever asked him to move aside he wouldn't do it. Hence his radio message of 'we've already talked about this.' Seems the most logical answer to what happened imo.
I think so too
No, and probably, seems, not logical just another addition to rumour control. Needs evidence not guesses
My initial reaction was why would you risk a gear box change? Also Checo has to know that even if he is in front of Max they would ask him to let him through or they would switch them via pit strategy like 2016 (I think) when Ferrari took the win from Kimi in the pits.
Checo is no threat to Max and no one in that seat will be for years to come. The dumbest thing Checo could do would be to tell Helmut who always sides and has built everything around Max. Max , Jos and Helmut control everything.
After what Checo did in Abu Dhabi for Max I think this is weak on Max and shows he doesn’t have the ability to be a leader. Why should we be surprised though, his father is a jerk.
To add more context to the "intent" crash. Let's get the full picture of the sectors:
Perez was not that low in that final lap, and his best sector was Sector 3, almost purple it every time.
Verstappen slowest sector was sector 3, so having purple sector 1 was not a guarantee that he would have been in front of Checo.
Checo was ahead all weekend.
His accident was unfortunate and makes no sense even though data seems fishy, we don't have the full picture on this to assume he did it on purpose.
For me, he tried a different line and lost it. He had to speed up to reach Leclerc....
More context:
1. in what world does it make sense to lock your two main enemies in the front row at Monaco?
2. Alonso crashed even more inexplicably (just go back and watch it! it looks almost like he just *slided* forwards at very low speed) about the same exact time, one or two curves behind Checo (hairpin). He mentioned some sort of "mist" that seemed to cause his very weird loss of control (remember, this is ALONSO).
There’s no reason fir Max to be holding a grudge against Checo like that. Hes just simply like every other on the grid: he hates being passed.
Considering how much Perez has done for Verstappen he thought maybe early 2022 was a time for him to be treated almost as well as the golden child. Then later on, Checo did everything a helpful no. 2 driver does for their teammate so it should be disregarded....
For Monaco, maybe VER and PER had a pre-qual agreement.
Example, whoever is ahead on the grid can decide when to do the pitstop first.
I can’t believe how much racing drivers are going to put on the line, to get the best results possible for themselves. In a way, that’s the hallmark of a champion’s mentality, but for it go over the line like that, damn. Max and Checo always had a good dynamic, i hope this isn’t the beginning of the end for their relationship. If we get a Webber-Vettel type scare again, it’s gonna do bad for Red Bull.
this breaks the max being mentally strong driver. He obviously held onto this grudge for 15 races, which means he thought about it for 15 races and held onto it. It shows his age and immaturity, this is probably the end of the Red Bull being nice team mates over something so stupid. I do not think Checo will ever again defend for Max and vice versa they are done.
Hamilton exposed Max. At Abu Dhabi Max gave up after failing to crash Hamilton, yet Checho fought like a dog to get Verstappen back into the race. That never say die spirit Max only has when he feels he has a clear advantage.
i still remember when he was joking about the crash with checo, & checo geuinely saying Sorry & max was laughing it off like 'it is okay mate" & side hugging and all, looks very real convo between two friends......my mind is fucked mate, really!
I think it means Max is a mentally strong driver! He hold onto his grudge for 15 races and waited till he could 'say' till Checo; You fuck with me, I'll fuck with you! Is this clear Checo? Childish yes, but Checo was also childish in Monaco....... Max doesn't care about the rest of the world, he only wants to win .... and that is what makes him a winner! You may like him or hate him, but he is good. Maybe not likeable, but good!
Apparently, Max just found out about all this after Mexico, so he wasn't carrying it for 15 races, this is all just boiling up now.
Ahh but Perez made the calls for himself in the race which meant he and Sainz jumped Leclerc, the reason he made the calls that he did were because he had nothing to lose being the 2nd driver and having only an outside shot at the title. So he would've perhaps overcut or undercut all 3 ahead of him to win anyway.
I don't think whatever happened in Monaco was the defining factor why Max did what did. And I'm not even surprised he did. It was certainly a dick move, which wouldn't win him anything and probably could cost him more. But I do recall that people were already making suggestions in Mexico about whether "Max will let Checo through for a home victory", to which Max said that Checo doesn't need his help for a possible win because he can do it on his own. I think that's what Max's gripe is all about, asking for freebies (even if it's the sensible thing to do). Max pretty much had the job done this season all by himself. Ferrari's shambles helped, and Checo's move on Charles at Suzuka was beneficiary for sure, but it's not like he wouldn't win the championship anyway (he won despite these factors, not because of them). And yes, Checo's contributions at Abu Dhabi 2021 shouldn't be taken for granted, and it was one of the defining moments why Max had a chance to win that race. But that wouldn't have the significance it had if Checo was a better and consistent drive throughout the 2021 season. The same can be (in some regard) applied to this season. Especially in the second half of the season where the RB18 is the best car, he is fighting with the Mercs more than consistently challenging for podiums and wins while his teammate pretty much won everything.
Bottom line: Max deserves the bashing for not giving up a position that would've gained him nothing. At the same time, Checo and Charles (who were puffing to be championship contenders) are asking for handouts for P2. Which I understand from their point of view, but this is Formula 1, not a charity.
Good comment, liked.
I think it's also that if he truly crashed on purpose it spits on the face of the people that had to retire, died, suffered an injury. for a win, it's just fucked up. And if this is true then I 100% understand and agree with Max.
fuck race fixing. fuck deliberate crashes. it's a shitty thing to do.
How much charity does Max received this year alone? Or is only charity when the mexican is the one who is benefit? That sounds racist to me. Is formula 1 a team sport or not?
Max has received help from checo weather he admits it or not, not so much this season but the WHOLE team works for him, the car IS designed for him. Like if the team worked for checo like they work for max, without Max checo could also be champion with this car.
In answer to your question as to why Max decided not to return his position to Checo, you first have to delve into his character and my point of view on that, is that he wanted to clear the air within the team immediately after the Monaco events (Max does not hide his feelings), which as far as I know for inexplicable reasons unfortunately did not happen. Max's position was clear, the attitude of the team was not and wanted to get its way through provocation, is now openly criticized. If all the cards had been put on the table immediately, all reputational damage could have been prevented. Of course Max is not bigger than the team who of course realizes that all this does make him far from loved, is who he is, straightforward and he will stick to it at all times.
You deserve more subs man, honestly, your analysis are the best here
Don’t forget that it was kind of a shitty day for him. He ruined Hamilton’s race and then Checo’s one. It’ just his personality
Hamilton can’t race wheel to wheel like Alonso said. Only with a rocketship & drs can he pass anybody
@@F1Purist1950 Yup.
Actually Hamilton ruined his own and Max's race, not the other Way around
@@F1Purist1950 yes exactly ! Bouffon
@@Alsael missed a chance to say something clever
Aldas is the greatest
the only video with the sound comparison that I could find. Is Aldas the only guy who looked deeper into this? Great job Alda. The professionell motorjounalists should be ashamed. ALDAS is the real PRO. I'm your new fan from Germany
Excellent video. First class analysis.
Also, well done on the best breakdown of this situation that I have seen.
I think Max is well aware that the Monaco thing even if true, isn't a valid excuse. Max had a weekend that went against him and wasn't thinking straight, the last thing he would've wanted to hear is a radio call telling him to give a position. Disappointing for sure, but losing sleep over this is ridiculous.
Good point. Even if he's won 14 races, he was probably still quite frustrated with how the race had gone.
Great video Aldas nailed it.
Every word is gold in this video!
I would love to see Red Bull make a statement by sitting max out of the last race or by forcing max to give up every position until checo is back in front of him
Max would NEVER agree to this
Thing is, max would COMPLETELY disregard this, without hesitation and the about of shit talk he's gonna get
🤣 yeah like that would benefit the team....
Excellent analysis Aldas. What Checo did when he crashed was not something logical and those drivers normally exactly know what they do. So my guess.. Checo was deliberately careless when he hit the throttle... no doubt about that... He just renewed his contract with Red Bull, was in his mind, still in the fight for the championship so it was important to him to be the lead Red Bull at a track where overtaking is virtually impossible under normal circumstances. I am sure that when Max studied the data and onboards, he didn't need anyone to tell him what Checo had done. I don't for one minute believe that Checo owned this up to Christian and Marko. He didn't need to.
I remember the story that Peter Windsor told after Max's first win in Barcelona in 2016, that when Max took P4 in Barcelona, he was angry at himself that Ricciardo beat him at the last run in Q3 and he stayed on the track the whole evening, studying the data with his engineers, finding out where he could have improved and how Ricciardo beat him in that final run? He is relentless. Any normal person would have said, P4 on debut? Fantastic! Time to celebrate a job very well done. But not Max.
He is just not such a guy and when he feels that he is being cheated, beit Esteban Ocon in Brazil in 2018, Sky Sports, other journalists that had a stab at him for making too many mistakes, etc, he will speak out for himself and doesn't take any prisoners. And don't we like him for that? That take no prisoner's attitude, fight to the Max.
Let alone if you deliberately screwed him over. He will never ever let that go unanswered. So, he decided to get back at Checo, just to warn him that you just don't screw Max over. I honestly feel that Max always wants an equal fight and not play dirty tricks, so if you do the dirty on him, he will not forget.
Having all that said, what I don't understand about this whole saga is, that if Max had already told the team in the summer (!!) why wasn't it dealt with indoors by Christian and Helmut?? Why let this open wound linger?
This also shows that how great the performance/attitude of Mercedes has been because when you're winning, things are easy. It is no suprise to me that at a weekend when both Red Bulls were greatly off the pace, cracks start to appear, pressure mounts because it is no longer plain sailing and these types of incidents were happening.
Hope this will have a happy ending for Checo and therefore, also for Max. They need to be excellent team mates because the competition is going to be a lot tougher in 2023 than it has been in 2022.
And so by being their number one driver he has it in his contract that his car be superior to what Perez drives because I don’t want to compete with a no2 teammate and of course they go along with his wishes. That also explains the slump on Perez side of the garage right after Monaco. I remember the next race at Baku Perez best track and he was no where. No one is allowed to race Verstappen and Jos reminded them after Monaco who their no1 driver is.
very well explained, just a pity for the haters, who only like comments in which max is blacked out
I think people really understand emotion in this debacle, have you ever been in a football match or anything and just gotten mad at your teammate or something like that? It isn't rational it happens and after you speak it out and everything is fine.
Checo has stated several times that he was driving for his own championship this season. In doing so, he transforms himself from teammate to rival. And every time Checo was ordered to let Max pass, Checo did so but with a lot of complaining over the radio.
Horner has also indicated that Max and Checo are not communicating at all in the pit box this season. They are only seeing each other during the media moments. Even at Max's birthday party where many drivers from competing teams were present, Checo was absent even though he was invited (according to the Spanish newspaper Marca).
Checo has never accepted the role of 2nd driver. Even at the time of the contract negotiations (Monaco GP weekend), he demanded that the team never treat him as a 'number 2'. While he certainly is because of his considerably slower lap times. So this season Checo has not presented himself as Max's teammate at all. You could say that Abu Dhabi 2021 was the first and last weekend that Checo acted as a 2nd driver.
Don't get me wrong, if I were in Max's shoes I would have helped Checo during the Brazilian GP. Max is already champion, and giving up a position wouldn't cost him anything at all. But I do understand Max's frustration, and if it's true that he discussed this honestly and directly with his team, then I think his action during the Brazilian GP is quite acceptable.
Also very interesting fact is that during the Brazilian GP weekend, Christian Horner and Helmut Marko spoke with Daniel Ricciardo (for the position of reserve driver 2023) and with Fernando Alonso (reason unknown) in the Redbull Hospitality Zone. If I were Checo I'd start worrying. He doesn't really seem to fit in with the Red Bull family and now his boss is talking with Max's befriended drivers. Creating drama over the radio and in the media is the last thing Checo needs right now, so If I where him I would tone it down a bit.
Man, this all reminds me of seb and everyone absolutely berating the living soul out of him for it. It'll be forgotten completely, especially if max performs the way he is. Most champions have been petty, this ain't that new either, dunno why everyone's so surprised.
if you are referring to multi 21, it was so early in the season and possibly justifiable because vettel wants to win. but here? max already won everything and no matter what, he could not win or get a podium in brazil so why bother?
How could he just say that ' I knew we were going crash and I went for it and it cost him the race win and me a 5 second time penalty as it didn't matter our car was sloww' he really had to say this after what he did for Checo. A very damaging day for Max
You've misquoted Verstappen, he never said "...it cost him the race..." Never.
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job
Ahhh.... so we're finally here..
"Simply lovely"
The telemetry from Monaco made it clear the crash is on purpose. Still I would never have done this to Checo. But Max is ruthless. And when I think about it, I like it. You need a guy like that for good storylines in F1. He made F1 so much more interesting after the boring partymode Mercedes years.
If that is true the FiA should investigate it! And if they can prove it a likely penalty is that Sergio looses his super license and gets disqualified from the season resulting in red bull loosing the constructors title! That would be a thing!!!
@@supmikpaddleboarding5871 That isn't true. The so-called "telemetry" is just a bunch of people thinking they saw something which confirms their beliefs in a video of an onboard lap and calling it "telemetry." Notice nobody with any racing experience has confirmed any of this nor did any analysis confirming it.
I don't think it's within Checo's character to deliberately crash in Monaco. That place is literally one of the easiest places to crash. If I remember correctly Leclerc secured his P1 in 2021 after crashing. It's nothing new that a crash just ends his session early. And as mentioned if it was deliberate, he's risking a gearbox change, disqualification from cheating or race fixing, and he'd be burning bridges in Red Bull.
What Max did is petty no matter how you look at it and whether or not Checo deliberately crashed. That's just plain revenge that is jeopardizing the team's chances at a 1-2. If you are willing to get a personal grudge be in the way of a potentail team milestone, then you are not a team leader. And if he thinks this is fair, others will view it as another swipe at their relationship. One can easily zoom out more and instead view Checo's supposed deliberate crash as payback for team orders destroying his potential win in Spain. And we can go even further back if we want to and to the most minor of issues. Getting revenge is just about the worst way to become a lead driver. If this is how he is going to be into 2023 I won't be surprised if Checo won't play a bigger role anymore in protecting Verstappen from another title contender knowing full well his teammate is going to let him drown anyway. We haven't even gotten into all the times when Checo was helping Max from 2021 to 2022.
And as a side note, if it turns out Checo looses P2 in the standings because he was 3 points short of P2, then it just makes it worse.
Agree. But never say never.
This video makes things quite clear.
Thanks.
People keep heavily focusing on the "Gearbox" as a reason why Perez wouldn't risk crashing at Monaco. I feel this is heavily influenced from Charles crash the year before.
I just want to remind you, that Charles crash was over 2x the speed of Perez's. Crash's are not linear in terms of force, but rather exponential. Charles crash was likely 4x more force than Perez's. Based off other low speed collisions in the past, the chances of him having severe enough damage to take a penalty is pretty low, and he would know this.
"Why wouldn't he go nose first." because it would be too obvious. There would be way more controversy. How long did Perez's crash get caught in the media? It was barely a blip, until now it basically went unnoticed.
I HATE that Max made this public over such a silly position swap, but the evidence against Perez is damning based on Telemetry, and the fact he didn't even counter steer (which is intuitive).
This drama is everything I ever wanted and more. It's pure pettyness from max and pure and most resentment from Checo. I can't wait for 2023.
Like Checo is going to be fast enough to do anything about Max. RB will drop the Mexican in a heartbeat & not miss anything
@@F1Purist1950 yeah and Max new teammate will crash into him every time, no other driver would agree to be Max's lapdog like Perez does, pretty dumb move from Max imo.
It's a theory that checo crashed on purpose but he didn't take into account the damage, weather and Ferrari messing up their strategy. Its too much to gamble for p3.... Also both both unfollowed each other on social media since the Mexicangp
Exactly
The fact that two years in a row the pole sitter crashed in q1 to finalize their pole at Monaco where qualifying is so important, and now we have this controversy suggests they need a rule to combat this!
Excellent video.
The telemetry is pretty damning and going from 0-100% throttle out of portier is an absolute no no.
But the fact that this was brought out will make a mess of what Redbull have covered up again ....... what a farcical team
What telemetry? The one no one of the speculators has access to?
We don’t know for sure. Will probably never know for a while
“Will probably never know for a while.”
That makes no sense
I think its very petty of Max to hold something like that given how this year has been for him. Also he himself said about sky sports that you need to let go off the past, Max here is contradicting himself
Max just finished a championship where he went into the last race tied on points. Every point matters. Dude is a champion. Lewis wasn’t in a position to win a championship when he was congratulating George. We’ve seen what Lewis is like with teammates when the points are close.
Just some important info. you "forget" to mention:
Erik Van H. is a very good friend of Jos V. A controversial & most of the time ignored "journalist" in NL.
After the Monaco GP. Jos had a meeting with RB. PRECISELY after that GP Checo started having problems with his RB.
(& let's don't forget Jos Tweets & drama demanding to RB why Max wasn't helped to win Monaco)
Clearly After Monaco, the Max dictatorship started.
Nothing to do with Checo's qualy.
The whole theory falls apart when you ask how Perez possibly could have predicted his P3 to be enough for the victory. P1 or P2 are almost mandatory for a victory in Monaco (unless we have freak accidents and such). Apart from that: Even if he cheated, if RedBull knew about this, this might cost them their constructor points as well, if uncovered. And now RedBull has to make clear that Max is not above the team. Either way what Max did was the worst thing he could do: he either tarnished a perfect team-driver-relationship and made getting support from Perez more difficult or he drew attention to an attempt of sabotage by Perez (and the team) which could not only cost Perez his Super License but RedBull their constructor championship. Why on earth would you do that if not for ego?
It doesn't. It's Monaco. Every single position counts, you have really overtake there. So being ahead means he has most likely more points already secured, and a podium at that. Plus he'll get preferred strategy since he's the one in front. The championship fight was extremely close at that time, every point, every podium counted.
@@manuelschurig2266 I don't disagree regarding strategy and track position bonus. Those could be thoughts in your forehead but those thougts apply to basically every GP.
However: Over the past 25 years 20 out of 25 GP winners started from row one (80%). Starting from 3rd meant you only had a chance of 1 in 5 to win the Monaco GP (20%). Prior to 1997 it gets a little more complicated but that's not the point [1]. Those prospects don't look worth sabotaging a qualifying.
Almost nobody would sabotage a Grand Prix weekend only for a podium (especially not a team like RedBull Racing). When Ferrari/Schumacher (2006) or Renault/Piquet(/Alonso? idk!) (2008) altered the course of a Qualifying or Race they aimed for pole or victory. When Rosberg cause a yellow in 2014, he stood on Pole. The last time I saw someone cheat for a podium place (not the victory) was in '84 with Tyrell and Stefan Bellof and their cooled down fuel.
Regardless: Max still messed up with his antics, possibly even causing a minor rift within his team.
[1] Source: www.statsf1.com/en/grand-prix-monaco-chv.aspx
@@toerklintv4185 I know the stats but you have to remember that at this point he only had the two Ferraris in front of him and we all know how good they are at handling pressure. Plus leclerc never finished a race in Monaco up to that point so that's another chance for checo. Basically if leclerc fucks it into the wall or his engine dies or he has a dnf for whatever reason there's only one car he needs to beat on strategy and that's the other Ferrari, and Ferrari suck at strategy. So a win was still highly likely, but he needed to be in front of max to get the better strategy.
If you look up "sh*t eating grin" in an encyclopedia... you'll get nothing, it's not in there.
But if it was you'd see Max's post interview pic
PEDAL CAM
IMO gear and engine revs should be shown in the comparisons too. Was Checo in a lower gear than the rest? That would most likely mean he mis-shifted or thought he was in a higher gear, and throttled based on an incorrect assumption.
The most disturbing thing for me is what he said about the lewis hamilton clash. Basically he knew he would crash had nothing at all to lose but Lewis did and still did it any way. Who runs red bull? The verstappens do
On the same day as Lewis showing class congratulating on George’s win whole heartedly as well. More respect to Lewis too.
I was never a Hamilton fan but now I realised how good Hamilton was u have to keep team mate on ur side
Tell that to his bff Rosberg
Or Button and Alonso...lol just saying
Background song is good but also depressing at the same time lol
The engine noise means basically nothing. It's normal to have the revs ramping up that fast when the car looses the grip like that. Without having access to the telemetry and look at the throttle's graph it's impossible to say. The FIA (unlike us) has access to the telemetry. Do you really think no one thought Perez could have deliberately did it without investigating, after last year's qualifications in Monaco?