Film Theory: The REAL Reason Wolverine is DYING! (LOGAN)
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LOGAN, you've lived through experimental surgery, countless bullet wounds, an atomic bomb, and EVEN Bodily Disintegration from Jean Grey. But in the end it's your sweet metal exoskeleton that causes your demise? So sad! But there's one little issue - Logan is WRONG! Sure he may be getting poisoned by his metallic upgrade, but in the end, that's not the issue. Then, what's REALLY Killing Logan?! You're about to find out.
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The only thing killing Wolverine is the fact the Hugh Jackman doesn't wanna play him anymore. Its the only theory that works
Are you serious!
he still would have continued
Bruh who wouldnt want to play wolverine he is one of the coolest super hero's
@@amirhodges4157 It would probably get annoying being known for only one thing. He seems to enjoy being in musicals, so maybe he just wants to focus on those.
@@NutmegBGB Yeah it's cool he has the confidence to step down from such a big roll so he can do what he likes more.
To sum up the whole video in short - 'Logan is getting old'
Alok Chand thank you lol
Alok Chand a hero without a cape
Lol
Is this really just what the video states? Because I was just about to watch the video, but I don't necessarily want to watch the whole thing.
Watch it to know what ageing is and how does ageing happens at the genetic level
If you think about it his body is 140 but because of days of future past his mind is 195!
Actually, it is 247
But even if that were true that adamantium didnt go in his body till later onward, thus it would he killing him just the same even if he was 140 or 247... He may be the oldest Marvel human character but one thing to know for certain is that when metal oxodises it takes the same amount of time to heal any negative effects of rust and thus we would be getting the same outcomes but at a later date.
@@sidbbp_8421, thanks for the correction
The Silver Samurai almost killed Logan by taking away his healing ability de-aging him self by decades. In My oppion this is why logon lost his healing ability.
@@ya_boy_jaxon7974 The Silver Samurai almost killed Logan by taking away his healing ability.
In the comics they dealt with this in 2 separate occasions.
When magneto stripped Logan of his adamantium, his healing factor was boosted significantly, alluding and sometimes stating that his healing factor was hindered by his coated skeleton.
In Old Man Logan, his age finally caught up to him to a degree where his healing factor was diminished and took longer to heal.
All in all, his healing factor was simply overtaxed by constantly working to make sure he stayed alive.
I thought it was implied that the food and drink had been tampered with to suppress mutations. That's why there are no new mutants. And his healing power is trying to work against the supressant, but is slowly losing
Exactly
It wasn't just implied. It was clearly stated.
@Jimmy Strudel but they gave a reason in the movie, that's the point. don't be dense
The corn was mutated and the corn syrup is abundant in alcohol.
then how do charles and the albino still have mutations?
i love how everyone misses the fact in this movie that the food they eat contains stuff that disables mutant genes, so no new mutants can be born.......
Yeah, the Transigen virus that was distributed through the food supply. They literally say that clearly in the movie and everyone just ignores it
True but Wolverine's healing factor kills off all foreign invaders. Such as viruses. The stuff that disables mutant genes or destroys them, not sure which one it does, is a virus. But even then, Wolverine's healing factor would not explain why he lived over 100 years. Matpat said our chromosomes get smaller as we age, then why did Wolverine live for so long if his ability simply speeds up the replication of his cells? Did one of his mutant abilities make his chromosomes larger than normal or did it increase the effectiveness of the creatures that replicate his DNA, leading to a lower chance of a mutation that removes a bit of the chromosome?
lol. Right?!
I love how everyone glosses over the fact that he almost had all of his healing factor stolen from him at the end of the wolverine
@@jonathanolivo4660 this is a different universe and timeline
For my boi Wade, this means that somehow, when he got the healing ability, a the mutation that caused it to ramp up for him, also caused his chromosomes to gain the ability to repair their endings, otherwise he’d pretty much be suffering the same problem.
This is actually a thing that scientists have been trying to figure out, because if we could learn how to repair those dna bits, people could probably live to be at least 200 years old
The whole theory is built under the assumption that Logan has lost his healing powers, but the movie seems to suggest rather, that Logan's healing has hit its limit with the adamantium. As mentioned, the metal in his body has begun to corrode over time, this would increase geometrically/exponentially over time, until his natural healing cannot keep up with it anymore. This is seen in movies like "The Wolverine" where the robotic parasites in his body kept his healing surpressed.
I don’t think so. He gets high on drugs in the final battle which manages to restore his healing for a short while.
Adamantium is unbreakable. How did it currode?
@@eliasbranch5383 also another reason why it’s not the adamantium.
I think you mean quadratically
When you call Hugh Jackman, "Wolverine" in every movie he casted
I always called him by his real name ·U·
Nope. I just call him logan for every single film he cast
@@Kwlksky lmao, glad i'm not alone
I call him X-man when I was a kid
I don't think it's true for most people. He's a very versatile actor. Like you don't call Leonardo "Jack" or Morgan "God".
It is explained in the Movie itself, when the Villain Doctor tells him that they stopped People from having random Mutations by using gene therapy over the food.
The farmer tells him too, that all the fields are full of genetically engineered Corn.
So basically, Logan by eating stuff with this gene food ingredient day by day, is slowing his
own healing factor down. He is aging faster and he even has scars left after healing up. His mutation is trying to fight the gene therapy that tries to block his mutation an is slowly losing the fight, because he is constantly eating more of that stuff.
This was my thought as well.
Yes! I think many people missed that quick exchange in Logan between Stryker jr and Logan.
So the video is not true?
In the movie, GM food prevents random mutations, it cannot undo the ones that exist already.
@@ghurcbghurcb they are swallowing pills to suppress their mutations in the movie so that the government cant locate them
0:12, “he fought in WW1!” Casually shows a landing boat of D-Day WW2
This made me laugh!
This is the most sensible.
Basically, Logan does age, but his healing factor masked his aging and extended his natural life. Eventually, he breaks down just as everyone does.
In the Movie X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Yukio Tells Wolverine that he will die with his 'Heart in his Hands' Wolverine doesn't die then. Despite this, Yukio was still right. In the Movie Logan, Wolverine dies holding his DAUGHTER'S Hand. His Daughter was 'His Heart'
😭😭😭😭😭
Thats a nice idea, but I think the reality is just that when making The Wolverine, they hadn't been made aware of all the retconning that Days of Future past would bring in, which is why the original end had Xavier giving Logan his iconic yellow suit and the threat of sentinels on the news, which was then mostly cut so Bryan Singer could do what he wanted in the Days of Future Past.
Natalia Pere Ye but he didn’t die with his heart in his hand lol
Good morning Eshay he did die, just came back to life. Read top comment
Carter DC I was saying didn’t die “with his heart in his hand”. I didn’t say that he didn’t die
Not only was logan in ww2. He also fought in ww1 and the civil war. He is 196 years old. And if you count the years with the days of future past age he is around 250 years old
Then shot back into the past where he is 250 and sees the younger him encased in adimantium. Yeah that one is a good story. Though the movie Logan is not old man Logan, not by a long shot.
Well he didn't actually live those extra 60 years from Days of Future Past because it wasn't him physically sent back in time, only his consciousness. That's why in that movie he had bone claws. So while his brain does store about 250 years worth of memories, you can't add that to his physical age.
Elino Villegas yeah i know thats why i said "if you count" i meant his mental age
Logan is 376 Year Old, he born in 1653
Actually, my theory is that some of his healing ability was extracted by Yashida in The Wolverine 2013. So he lost most of his healing factor.
The timeline got rebooted after dofp
The food was implied to be altered to suppressed mutant genes. As stated by a comment from Lupo it caused there to be no more mutants. That why in order to get mutants they had to make them in a lab and use a serum on the clone wolverine to make him heal up properly. So I agree with the theory but I believe the healing factor being so advance kept the loss of DNA because remember he served practically in every war, possibly a Samurai, and that’s Hundreds of years. Which means the cell theory could of and probably should of happen sooner
He wasn't around during the samurai era. His first encounter with the Japanese was World War II.
Officially he was born on 1832, per the comics.
That was the smoothest sponsorship I have ever seen .
Actual Trash haha right? i didn't even see it coming. haha
Actual Trash are you also the only one who noticrd
noticed* fuck
LOLing island you know you can edit comments, right?
Angela Bruno no cause I'm inept
"Get this man a Vibranium Skeleton"
-T'Challa in some timeline
The metal in Logan's body is the same as vibranium skeleton
@@zaxx-pubgmobile8966 Nope
@@fravalla it's explained,you haven't watch all the videos yet
@@zaxx-pubgmobile8966 Lol no it's not moron. Adamantium is denser, heavier, and stronger than Vibranium. Vibranium is lighter, less dense, and has a higher melting point while being able to absorb vibrations.
@@fravalla hmm then can you tell me why they say it's has the same potential,call the ytb a moron then ;)
This is my theory....when Logan had his healing ability stolen, that was the moment he lost his immortality. It sort of was like it was cut in half or reduced. So when he got his power back he only got about half of what was taken or should we call it "shared". So instead of never aging now he will age.
it is explained in the comics that his adamantuim is poisining but it cant his healing gene is too strong for it to battle and in logan they explain that the food is poisined to suppress mutations so the food is supressing his healing ability making it so his adamantuim can poisin him
They put the anti mutant stuff in all the food and drinks.
Meaning it eventually turn of his powers
Glad someone else mentioned this
NoBreakz damn GMOs
That's actually a perfect explanation. People are like "wouldn't his healing factor heal his genes?". His healing factor is being turned down due to gmo food/Hugh Jackman wanting to do other things.
No. Logans healing factor would fight off whatever virus was in the food or drink. The reason why he is being poisoned by adamantium in this movie is because his healing factor has weakened by his age. In the other xmen movies he's perfectly fine because his healing factor is good and is continuously fighting off the poison that's in the adamantium
They literally said they genetically modified the corn to turn off the x gene in Logan. And you can see Logan drinking whisky, which comes from corn. Once the genetically modified corn turned off his healing factor, the adamantium was able to poison him, which slowed down his healing factor even more and made him weaker. Once he got stabbed by the branch at the end of the movie, his healing factor wasn't quick enough and he died
My theory is that Adamantium has always been poisonous but due to his healing factor that didnt matter in his Prime. But in Logan when it was confirmed that Wolverine was weaker due to anti mutant drugs mixed by government in the movie..That results in his aging and death from adamantium.
Medicine that affects Dna🤔
Uhm, not exactly. What about the other mutants? They didn't seem weak or changed in any way
@@masterofdragons82 Yes exactly, they have been killing off mutants this way, hence why no mutant was born for 20+ years in the movie Logan.
@@hectorcolon2563 Like the new covid vaccines.
@@hectorcolon2563 no listen. Hear me out. The food was made to take away mutant powers and the government is putting that in everything Logan eats. This means that everything he eats is constantly slowing down his healing factor which is why the adamantium poison is more apparent now.
What mat thinks:it’s his cells ripping apart
What it is:T R E E
As a person who underwent scoliosis surgery almost a decade ago, I now have a new fear. Thanks, Matt!
Nobody can replace Hugh in wolverine... Rather kill the character off then offend him with cheap actors.
You are right
But what about the girl ? Like if they made a movie with just her or all the kids x-23
Hugh fangirl. He was good but he is way taller then the comic character anyways
@John Wright no, hugh was the best choice. Robert fits perfectly in iron man but not wolverine.
@@BG-it7hb Sure he's a foot taller but I still appreciate him, since his temper is the same.
What About When He Literally Stabbed Himself And Stuck his hand into his rib cage to get the heart parasite out??
that later healed up and had no effect on him on Logan
He only really heals once the object which caused the wound, is removed
I-he did what?!
I think that parasite left some eggs behind and took years to hatch.
@@scottgarrow5448 the parasite is a robot
I love this show so much. I can't afford to go back to school and it was really boring anyway and this is one thing that really scratches that academic itch. Thanks for waking up my brain!
A lot of research goes into every one of your videoes, I can appreciate that, you just earned yourself a subscriber.
I learned more science than I did in school.
Same tho
Cool
Yep
Now if we can just work on your english.
@@mangoyeah9663 lol so true
One of the more popular theories that is hinted at during the film is that the main villain of the film, Dr. Zander Rice has been growing corn with a chemical that weakens the mutant gene in both babies and existing mutants. Since corn syrup is used in many things, the chemical has gotten to almost all the mutants. This is why there have been no mutant born for 20 years. The chemical is also what makes Logan's mutant powers weaker, making his healing factor weaker as well, letting the adamantium poison him since his body can't heal that fast anymore. The farmer in the middle of the movie even tells logan that the government took control of his crops, and Dr.Rice revealed it briefly at the end of the movie
No mutants born in 20 years? Corn syrup isn't a universal, and mutants are. No mutants in /North America/. Maybe that's not right, either; do Canada and Mexico use corn syrup? Mexican soda uses cane sugar, after all.
Zarbot WHY IS MARVEL SO COMPLICATED
Sonya Steadman also states in the movies that governments around the world collaborated in suppressing the x-gene with corn syrup so yeah
There might have been some products that are sold internationally that used corn syrup. So even if some countries don't use it in their products doesn't mean they aren't being consumed.
Zarbot It never says in existing mutants in the movie. It just stops new ones from being born.
who’s here after we find out he’s coming back
The intro-
*Its beautiful*
Logan was actually 247 years old since he got sent back and lived another 50 years till 2023
His mind not actually his body
His consciousness was sent to the past not the body
Yea figured that out a lil bit ago
The Silver Samurai almost killed Logan.
His future became his past when he time traveled
Logan:My skeleton is poisoning me
Iron Man 2: Tony: **AHEM**
@@paintballfloridaman1997 iron
Iron Man
Irony
huh
@@lancetheking7524 huh
@@erendripaeger9875 huh
T Pain ba-dum-tis
Tony replaces what is poisoning him.
in the movie, he was supposed to be 197 years old.
It was Charles. Every time he had an episode, Logan was the only one to get close to him so I contend that professor X was unconsciously switching his healing factor off so Logan couldn't stop him dying. As soon as he dies, the mental and physical blocks (he crippled the world physically as well as mentally when he had a fit) would be literally healed over time. Logan is what 300 years old. He loses his power over a few years. It wouldn't fade that quickly. Just saying
This whole video can be summed up in one sentence: *Wolverine isn’t immortal, he’s just getting old*
whatsgoingon07 I’m sad that he’s dead :(
@@RandyDaGamer for an imaginary character 😌😌😌
Nah it’s not age man he’s hundreds of years old
Ive gotten in to debates about age. But the point your making doesnt make sense... In this theory its not because of his age... It's the losse of his healing factor thru the rusted adamantium with time. If not for the adamantly he would still end up dying but very later onward... Its because the amount of damage he takes on a basis is so much that he chromosomes cant heal him up... If we take that out of his body before they put it in him... It wouldn't change the fact his body changed with damage and not by time... Age wasn't on his side in the movie which is true... But the adamantiun in his body was killing him for a while... Like i said if we take that out he probably would experience these affect long after the x men died of old age... Due to him being the only one with a healing factor... Not including deadpool... Knowing logan... Getting in to fights with people is his strong suite so it would be hard to tell when he would die
@@ya_boy_jaxon7974 yes
Logan is not 140 he is 190 he was in the civil war jeez come on matpat
Cristian Garza-benavides he was born in the late 1880's. if he was born in 1880 he would be 137 about 140.
Devin Williams yes but that's wrong in the cinematic universe because he was born in the 1840s
Cristian Garza-benavides And mentally he's 250! Remember when his consciousness was sent back in days of future last? I'd definitely be over life
Cristian Garza-benavides XD
Civil war started in 1861, 156 years ago. Assume he was at least 18 when he fought, that means he's at minimum 174 years old.
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hey if you paid closer attention it was that there was a mutant cure in the alcohol which weakens his healing factor and that's why he's dying to his adamantium
it's not because he is getting old, in the Logan wiki, from the movie "When the Reavers capture the children, Logan takes an overdose of a serum given to him by Rictor that temporarily enhances his healing abilities and boosts his strength. With Laura's help, he slaughters most of the Reavers, but the serum wears off. As Pierce holds Rictor at gunpoint, Rice tells Logan, who killed Rice's father years ago at the Weapon X facility, that "no new mutants have been born due to a virus created by Transigen and distributed through the world's food supply", also causing the decay of Logan's healing factor.
"A Virus, which is causing the decay of Logan's healing factor."
Why doesn't this have a million likes?
1 plot twist tho wiki lies ;/
thought this was obvious to anyone who watched the movie... you would figure that people would pay attention to the part where it is explained why there are no new mutants... then understand that that reason was also the reason why Wolverine was sick...
Its a shame that the same universe has different story (marvel and fox) this just fucks everything up, at least we dont need to hold back anything when watching a fox xmen or deadpool movie. Btw, this is the same reason they killed of tony in avengers. I am not really interested in tonys character but they better not do anything about logan or they will get something they have never even had in their fiercest nightmares.
@@skatin33
Alright, butthurt Marvel fan.
heres whats really killing Wolverine. Fox Studios.
Broly_Jeebus 😭😂😂😂
@ThatKidWhoLiesAboutHisAge OnTheInternet fuck you
No stfue.
Could be...... FOXDIE..... maybe
Lel
Coming back all this time later to say thanks for the lesson on telomeres. This video is the only reason I know what they are and that knowledge is finally helping in college!!
Forgot to mention the “cure” by the doctor in the movie… destroying any form of mutant DNA to all mutants… perfect explanation to why Logan’s powers are dulling, Xavier can’t control his mind blast.
Makes perfect sense his DNA is dying… but the “cure” seems to slowing or halting Logan’s powers.
I think I may have an idea for a theory. The theory should be How did Indiana Jones survive an atomic blast in a refrigerator
Gamzee Plays A Thing that what i wanted for a while now.
Gamzee Plays A Thing cool gam
We do not speak of that movie
shame on you sir, shame
Agree
why. and why is your profile pic that?
I thought the reason his Healing Factor was poisoned was because of what Zander Rice described. The contaminated food that kills the mutant genes might have weakened every mutant slowly, taking away Logan's healing factor and possibly poisoning Xavier's powers as well, leading up to his Alzheimer's and mortal seizures.
After seeing all these comments from people who clearly weren't watching the movie just looking at pretty pictures. I was worried I was the only person who actually understood the plot of this movie. He's shown drinking shooters almost every other scene and he and others have been eating Zanders processed foods/drinks ( which the farmer explains to you at the water pump) and that's whats slowing down his regen. Which in turn is letting other things like cancer, metal poisoning and the like come out. So as far as I understand the movie ends with him being buried alive.......bc the food and alcohol will fade out of his system while he's 6 feet under, and his healing powers will come back bc he's no longer eating/drinking poison.
I see, we seem to be the only three persons in the comment section who can concentrate for the duration of a movie to what the movie tells you... :P
That would be badass. But he said he was dying at the very end.
I too was like "Dude, he survived being pierced by metal pipes, drowning at the pit of a sea. I'm sure he can get through this as well." Even though I find it sad that he is dead, I'd accept it because I don't want anyone other than Hugh Jackman to play Wolverine.
I actually thought this was the direction he was going to go. Rice explained that his corn syrup was what wiped out the mutants, but didn't go into detail on how it affected existing mutants. It could have been a slow process and had a gradual affect on Logan over time.
Intro was awesome bro so much nostalgia
Old people understanding science after many, many years :
Me, understanding time travel and genetics after watching a few 10 minute videos:
Smert
Honestly this video made me learn more than four years of science in high school. TEACH ME DNA THROUGH THE XMEN.
alek lashomb facts
Asking the question of what killed Logan, metal poisoning or DNA degeneration is like asking what's more deadly gunshot to the heart or head. They both kill you, Logan wouldn't be any less dead. The real problem isn't ether of these for sure. We don't know if the metal on his bones was killing him and we don't know if he could heal his DNA. We do know that additives in the food was stopping mutations in humans. I think that's the sure bet. It just took longer for Logan because of his healing factor.
Chris Martin wolverine has 3 claws
VonDOOM actually he has 6
alek lashomb *WHO NEEDS SCHOOL WHEN YOU HAVE FILM THEORY THATS RIGHT I SAID IT*
Wolverine will never die, as long as they don't replace the iconic Hugh Jackman as Logan in future films.
But he’s dead..
JRW Plays thats not what he meant. They’re still gone keep making Wolverine movies. But he’s just saying that Hugh Jackman should keep playing him. But I’m pretty sure he said he’s done playing him
@@jrwplays4395 in the comics he rose from his grave tho so...
fancy meeting you, again...
At least there are other timelines and universes where Logan is still alive.
Thanks. Great video! My burning questions about Logan has been put to rest. 🙂👍
I’m in AP biology and sometimes I come back to this video when I forget some DNA/RNA stuff
I'm sure a few people already brought it up, but I always felt that the reason his healing factor was slowing down had something to do with the mutagen or whatever it was that they put in the food to keep mutants from occurring naturally. He probably ate his fair share of it and if it started to break down the x gene in his body then yes the Adamantium would be responsible for his symptoms. Not necessarily because Adamantium oxidizes I'm pretty sure that its magic metal properties would keep it from rusting, but I'm sure that encasing your bones in anything would lead to some crazy body functions such as bone marrow issues etc.
Mutagen😂 wrong movie. TMNT🐢
Garrett Welton no they were putting something in the water and corn. Remember when logen goes to the house in the country side
JJ P I know, I was joking😂
Caleb Koch I had the same idea, and that the same was causing Xavier's degenerative brain condition.
Caleb Koch He should stop predicting films he hasn't seen yet, they just prove him wrong
Biologist here to provide a critique of your science, MatPat. I like the foundation of your theory. You made a few misleading and not entirely accurate statements, but I will overlook those out of the desire to not be overly critical.
Telomeres have been implicated in certain aging diseases and Logan's advanced age made my thoughts go to progressive telomere shortening as well. However, telomeres can be quite long and variable. In humans, the six base repeat TTAGGG repeats up to 2500 times. But even this is not long enough for us normal humans. After about 30 divisions telomeres can be lost. This is why cultured cells will typically not last forever; the "Hayflick Limit," as you mentioned.
This telomere shortening presents a problem which Eukaryotes have presented an elegant solution: the enzyme telomerase. The enzyme telomerase works to extend the length of telomeres at the end of chromosomes. While this may seem to punch a hole in your theory, there is still a saving grace: Telomerase is not active in every cell in your body.
Telomerase will primarily function in cells your gametes, cells responsible for creating sperm. With how frequently they divide, you wouldn't want your kids to get faulty telomeres, right? Telomerase is also functional in adult stem cells present in your bone marrow brain, peripheral blood, blood vessels, skeletal muscle, skin, teeth, heart, gut, liver. These cells divide and differentiate to produce new, fresh cells for your body. Cell lines with active telomerase have high longevity, like cancer cells. Some cell lines are even immortal (HeLa Cells).
Personally, I think that Logan's healing factor comes from his ability to protect and induce these pluripotent stem cells to rapidly divide to restore his body. Since they have functional telomerase, I believe that telomere shortening would not hugely affect him. Granted, that is just conjecture.
Even if some of his older living cells began to have shortened telomeres, you must remember to consider each cell individually. Some cells will lose their telomeres faster than others. Those with no telomeres on a chromosome may no longer undergo cell division and will instead trigger apoptosis due to the cell's DNA damage response for those that still divide despite the lack of telomeres. The death of these cells leaves only those with remaining telomeres to remain.
Despite everything that I have mentioned, I do think that your theory does have some validity. Keep up the good work MatPat!
Some info for the curious: (Sorry for the lack of any good primary literature)
archive.org/stream/LifeTheScienceOfBiology9thEd./Life,%20The%20Science%20of%20Biology%20(9th%20Ed.)_djvu.txt
I changed my mind about ignoring the little things:
7:43 The packing of chromatin into the familiar X structure of chromosomes during cell division was accurate, but it is the structure called the centromere and kinetocore, not telomeres, that allow it to be pulled into separate cells by microtubules.
7:51 You got that detail right! There is indeed a known looping structure at the end of telomeres! Good research matpat! But they aren't just attached to chromosomes. They are literally a part of your DNA sequence.
9:50 The loss of dna per replication is anywhere between 50 and 200 base pairs. Depending on the location of his mutant gene (could be found through chromosome mapping experiments), it is unlikely to reach anything important.
Clark Butler so what IS Logan dying of?
Clark Butler ++
Clark Butler guys i found the new MatPat.
No. no one replaces our MatPat
tldr?
Clark Butler Wow, biology is amazing. :o
This is one of my favorite openings to a theory vid!!
Won't the Healing Factor mutations just heal the cell itself and this those protective parts you talked about heal too?
Telomerase which makes the telomeres are only active in stem and germ cells not body cells. The healing factor wouldnt activate telomerase because it just doesn’t activate in normal cells. Activation in somatic cells is a mutation (aka cancer) but Logan’s healing factor prevents that
The REAL Reason Wolverine is dead is because Hugh Jackman left the role.....
Very Very true
Also wolverine is dead in the comics
Chiefs 2016 Champs that would never happened as long as Deadpool makes money
I know he was gone but it also follows the storyline. I realize they could do a lot more things from the comics but they were advancing in the timeline so one of the most logical next steps would be the Old Man Logan storyline that results in his death. Also Hugh Jackman said he would come back for a role in the Avengers.
true dat, we don't need no science for that
In the comics that Logan is based on, it's explained that his healing factor is essentially "worn down" from the metal poisoning from the adamantium. Just like how Deadpool is essentially a walking shit-talking clump of cancer cells being constantly healed, Logan's healing factor is at all times being taxed by the adamantium poisoning. In the original trilogy films, Days of Future Past, etc. he's obviously fine because he isn't suffering from the adamantium poisoning yet, or it hasn't begun to affect his healing. But by the time of "Old Man Logan", he's had the adamntium long enough that it is both poisoning him and constantly taxing his healing factor. It's not entirely gone either, but he can't tank a spray of bullets and keep trucking like he used to be able to. He's still able to heal faster than the average human, but slower than he could previously. So, you're not entirely wrong, but you are a little late. :P
omygodsword This
They literally said it was the food. You can see in the farm scene the huge machines. They mention the corn syrup being modified. Person behind it was Stryker’s son and even the bad guy with the robot hand said, “this is the guy that wiped out your kind” pointing at Stryker son
Right I said that in the comments years ago haha
@@toml3051 glad to know that someone knows haha
I really like this theory, it sounds very interesting to me, and it sounds somewhat realistic.
And if mutants like the X-Men were truly real; In real life then I can imagine this theorized explanation might be used.
Strange. I thought adamantium was supposedly immune all forms of damage. Would that not include corrosion?
OMFG your a genies
DeathslashDavid he's not a genie...
al QC true.. he's a genies.
Not really, but it would mean that it would take a very long time to corrode (hundreds of years).
It definitely should have been immune to the fucking piece of wood that killled him in the end.
It's not adamantium poisoning, it's the Legacy virus, which is mentioned heavily in comics leading up to and surrounding the Old Man Logan comic story.. The movie left out a ton of details about this, but they make subtle references to it. It's the reason most of the other mutants are dead, why a mutant hasnt been born in like almost 30yrs and why Wolverine, is losing his ability to heal.. It essentially is like Mutant Cancer/AIDS/Ebola
No, they did said in the movie it was because someone slide a kind of the mutant cure into food and stuff like that that stopped new mutants from getting their powers or being born as mutants. They killed the x gene. Nobody said they weren't anymore mutants somewhere else.
That would be the legacy virus bro... They didn't actually say the name I believe due to some licensing with Marvel... But check the comic... The doctor that created X-23/24 in the movie is the one who actually created it in the comic
Yeah, but in the comics they also said Logan killed all the X-Men after Mysterio of all people tricked him into thinking that they were invading villains who divided the USA after all the heroes either died or turned into caricatures of a Jeff Foxworthy joke. Man, I wish Fox would just give the rights back to Marvel!
They basically leave it up to your own interpretation.
Will Murphy Its mainly due to the adamantium read more xmen/wolverine comics, his healing factor isn't even as good as it was when he had the bone claws. After his adamantium upgrade his healing factor had to keep the adamantium from killing him all those days before -- but then after some time ... the adamantium overpowered his healing factor and he began to age aswell as die in the process. All of this is mainly because of the poisonous metal..there's even a logan who has uru plated bones in an alternate universe who even said the adamantium is bad for logan ..his healing factor is always active and it took a toll on him.
These is one of the few ones Mat has done that makes so much sense to me.
0:21 this hit me in the feels R.I.P Ronnie
ok, I thought the answer this was actually explained in the movie. as long as you had the right background info.
background info- Logan has healing factor and adamantium on his bones. Logan has always had adamantium poisoning, he just healed through it. it's also important to note that logan has also always healed the aging process. (He is even much much older than the professor.)
new info given in movie: Logan has aged somehow, something is poisoning logan, and they have been putting something in public foods to deter mutant powers (they described this as why the mutants are not being born and dying out)
obvious conclusion: this stuff in the food is not just preventing kids from developing powers, but lowering all current mutant powers too. (it otherwise doesn't make sense that the mutants are "dying off" when the professor is still alive. they obviously aren't dying of old age. they are just losing their powers). And since Logan is also losing his healing factor, he started aging again and started to be affected by the adamantium poisoning. Easy answer given by the movie itself.
This is exactly right and I'm glad someone was paying attention during the movie. Bravo!
Good conclusion. Logan was the only X-Men movie I have seen, so I didn't know about the mutant poison thing. However, I like Matpat's conclusion since it allowed me to learn a little more about cell reproduction.
Zachary Gilmore but as someone who already knew both the info to get this info, and matpats info. It just seemed like he wasn't paying attention
Brady Roose its been established in the comics that logan ages just alot slower in one comic he even died from old age
Why don't they just grow their own food and live in the forests or something to get away from the mutant-poisoned food? Surely they could do that.. The kids technically did just that I suppose
I gotta say, that was the smoothest Segway into an ad ever
Liz R I hate to be that guy, but... In this context it's spelled segue. :)
Peter F THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I never knew that, I learned something new.
"...and may I say, these razors are SMOOTH! they just GLIDE through hair!"
I scrolled down to post this exact thing. Fucking brilliant Segue (Peter F lol)
Only women and children don't have beards
And Finally Now I knows my answer that I was looking for
well, officially logan is in its own independent timeline from all the other movies.
and think about it, the happy endind of days of future past was in 2023, logan is in 2029.
in logan no new mutants have been born in 25 years, so if they were in the same timeline, no new mutants would have been born in 19 years in the end of DOFP, yet we see Xaviers school happy and thriving, it doesnt add up
Logan's healing factor is going away because of age. He's not immortal, he just ages very slowly thanks to his natural healing factor. If it weren't for the adamantium, it's difficult to say for how many years he would have lived before his healing factor wore out and he died of natural causes.
However, when he got his adamantium implants in the 70s by Weapon X, it was an experimental procedure and they hadn't perfected neither the process, nor purified the adamantium. That's why the particular adamantium implants he has is poisoning him. At first, it wasn't a problem since he was at the peak of his adulthood and his healing factor was potent enough to make up for it. Think of it like Deadpool and his cancer; it's constantly killing him, but his healing factor is constantly battling it.
So we know that Logan (aka James Howlett) was born in Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada between 1882-1885 (source:marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Origin_Vol_1_2; marvel.wikia.com/wiki/X-Men:_Prelude_to_Schism_Vol_1_4). We also know that his bones were bonded with adamantium by the Weapon X Program somewhere in the early 70's (probably 72 or 73)(Source:marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Marvel_Comics_Presents_Vol_1_73). Therefore, if we say Logan was born in 1882, and he received the adamantium in 1972, he would have been 90 years old. Judging by his appearance, he looked like a normal adult around his 30s at the time, so for the sake of simplicity, let's assume 90 years for wolverine = 30 years for a normal person. This would mean that Logan ages 1 year for every 3 normal human years. In the movie Logan, we're told they're in the year 2029. That would make Wolverine (aka Logan, aka James) 147 years old or 49 for a normal person. He's old, but he's not THAT old.
So the theory that he's dying or losing his healing abilities solely because of his telomeres is a stretch. It's a coupling of his healing factor slowing down with age AND the adamantium that has been poisoning him over the last 57 years.
Also, to those who didn't understand the GMOs in the movie, they're not killing off existing mutants, they're just preventing new ones from being born. It's somehow suppressing the x-gene from appearing in newborns, that's why mutants have almost all but died out. However, existing mutants aren't affected. They are most likely either being hunted down by anti-mutant groups (which are popular in the x-men universe) or they've gone into hiding, like Logan, Xavier and Caliban.
It is also implied that due to his old age and deterioration of his mutant powers, professor X is losing control and having powerful seizures as seen in the movie. It is mentioned in the movie that he had one such instance in Chesterfield (the X-Men Mansion) and it is implied that because of it, he killed most if not all of the mutants at the school. This would have probably tarnished the x-men's reputation and labeled mutants as dangerous ticking time bombs (like they also allude to in the movie) thus building more anti-mutant sentiment and propaganda.
UknowmeimGui no ones gonna read this essay.
plutocuteguy but it is a good one
agreed
You're making quite a lot of assumptions here. Is this confirmed somehow or is it just a theory?
Arphemius it's just a theory, a filmtheory.
Logan is immortal
He's been born long before the civil war, also he was fighting androids in the future as shown on the xmen origins wolverine game. If it was oxidation his body would have just purged the rust since his body spits out bullets, not to mention that his chromosomes regenerate and he seemingly never stops healing.
If humans dna deteriorates in 80 years then wolverine would be dead already. He's like almost 400 years old
They only killed him because Hugh is sick of being in xmen movies.
Blaze Osirus exactly 😭
He’s not cause he’s dead in the comic books.
Isn't that because in the movies he time travels?....
Hes. Not dead his healing factor is just really slow
@@Shtick0 hes dead. He was cover in adamantium cocoon and died from Suffocation. if you don't believe this is him after the adamantium harden.
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All of that research and all of those facts made this video awesome! To bad that in the movie itself it gave the real reason why wolverine lost his healing ability. They had developed a cure and it was distributed in food and drink by placing it in corn syrup. So with all of the liquor and junk food he had been placing in his body it finally overcame his ability to heal from it. There for he had been getting the cure for years before the movie took place. Love your channel though! Take care and stay awesome 🙂
You know, there was this one guy who claimed to have put anti-mutant serum in corn syrup. But, all the alcohol that Logan consumes, contains that corn syrup. So, he has been consuming the anti-mutant serum this whole time. That's why his healing factor has been deteriorating.
1.adamantium don't rust.
2. Logan's healing factor heals faster than adamantium poisoning.
3. Logan's healing factor was suppressed with the gmo corn used to suppress the mutant x gene.
4. Logan died by corn
That's the only thing he missed. Everything pretty much makes sense except that he didn't talk about the GMO corn.
lol. good one
Ehem in the comic Logan have 3 death, one of them Logan lose he healling ability because the anti-xman material, and you know what it, it strong but effect X-Men because they are Radioactive
Agree, and Logan's healing goes way beyond just fast healing his wounds, his mutation regererate his dna cells, thats why he lived so long. If your theory was even a little close Logan would die long ago of old age due to his dna cells degradation. Invalid bullshit theory :)
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Mat was wrong when research the Adamantium, it is the Anti-healing shit, that was a material of the sword of deadpool in a Deadpool vs Deadpool multivers comic, his healling ability is strong enough to fighting this thing, just look a bit closer, the way Logan healling from a bullet faster than he healling do with a claws, that why his the only one have a Adamantium bones, Mat is wrong this shjt is wrong, Mat do the research like a robotic that Adamantium just a normal think, and don't you dare ask why it effect now, because it inside Logan body, Adamantium not cut his body, just inside him and when things come it come, Logan die because Adamantium in his body AND in the comic Chart already talk about it.
In the comics (where the movie is based of) its implyed that the adamantium in Logas has been messing with the healing factor from the start. The healing used to be instant before the project x.
or so i have heard
As far as I'm aware, this is it. Logan's healing factor was MUCH stronger before the adamantium infusion, which immediately started poisoning him. It's just a fact that the poisoning is finally starting to win, the healing factor could only work on overdrive for so long.
That would actually be in line with this theory. His healing factor has to work constantly to deal with the adamantium poisoning. That caused it to be slower and Logan to wear out faster.
I wonder who Logas is...
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if his healing factor was instant what even was the point of the adamantium
Even tho this video is 4 years old I loved that intro that was amazing I love the old school X-Men 🔥💪
They actually said in the movie that they had the mutant cure in the corn starch and Logan’s powers are slowly fading away because of his alcoholism, which has corn starch in it
That advertisement at the end was so smooth matpat... almost as smooth as the shave you'll get with the dollar shave club
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Anyone else feeling old and weak and achy after watching this?
J Cole so you can type in a full body cast?...
Yeah
sonictheporcipine yes
Yeah I've been dealing with so many damages, I got scared after watching this.
Yeah. That's cos I'm dirt old
Wouldn't his healing factor fix his telomeres before they waste away? He should be immortal.
No because telomerase isn’t active in somatic cells. Deadpool would be immortal though because cancer activates the telomerase producing more telomeres
Do an episode theorizing what happens in between days of the future past and Logan
The chromosomes dont get pulled by the Telomeres, they get pulled by the centromeres. Telomere shortening is a DNA replication issue, not a cell division issue.
You sir, paid attention in biology
Gabyodd and you sir, sound like a fucking British virgin from the 1800's
Champion Wang i may sound like that, just one little thing though, I am very much female
i think he was using cell division as a general term (as to not confuse laymen) to refer to mitosis and then he just meant interphase
Wife not girlfriend
Wouldnt the healing factor heal the telomeres
Carlos Vera stoopid ass nigga, didn’t you hear that mat said his healing factor is getting weaker and weaker
XXXTENTACION bruh if it gets weaker than his healing factor could make it back to 100% with his healing factor. If he can heal from his skin getting almost completely burnt off, then why would it be far fetched for him to be able to heal his telomeres and all his cells
Because his telomeres are the ones controlling the healing factor. The healing factor might not be able to keep up and then slowly 'lose the battle'
katy richards when he’s resting couldn’t they just repair themselves?
It's not that the telomeres are the ones controlling the healing factor... It's that everytime a cell divides, small mutations can happen in the genes, and if one of this mutation occurs inside the healing power original mutation, then it looses its power, as the original mutation has changed, it's no longer a mutant... And then is when the cell can no longer repair the telomeres and, eventually, dies
8 bit theme, instantly sold. Best video ever.
Well...the thing with the telomeres is not wrong, but at Logans age and after that many wounds, it seems to me that his cells have the ability to recover those lost ends of the chromosomes just like some animals are actually able to.
But that's just my point of view.
Hey just think that Logan’s healing factor is like T-Mobiles unlimited data you think you have all of the data you want but then it slows down and is nothing
Better than overcharges and has to pay twice the price for it xD
Shots fired
New upgrade is needed make wolverines skeleton out of diamond done no more corrosion
Asian PanDuh so true
This is probably the sickest burn I’ve ever seen
Great episode, but I do have one major question: isn't adamantium supposed to be indestructible? (Apart from all those times it isn't because the writers wrote themselves into a corner with that one) The whole point of it is that nothing eats away at it, and nothing destroys it. How would it deteriorate in his body, if it literally doesn't deteriorate at all? An example of this, is that Wolverine actually once found an adamantium-laced skull in Apocalypse's lab, and noted it seemed to have been there for eons, yet no deterioration? Just wondering.
Exactly, I'm not quite buying the explanation that adamantium is breaking down in his body. If that were true wouldn't have we seen some wear and tear on the claws as well? But they were shiny, just as the first day and I'm betting they've seen quite a bit more blood/water/any liquid and oxygen than his skeleton did. So, there must be something else.
KamikazeeGecko thats if you think theyre rusting.meatls are toxic and cause poisoning by just being in the body
They dont need to rust to cause poisoning
That's not true, Fox, if you look back to the video Mat brings up the great example of real-life cases of people being poisoned by metal implants being in the body for too long. Simply putting metal in your body won't kill you, else ol' Logan would've died in The Wolverine when he had that parasite in his heart.
Mentle heres the thing though the metal for hip replacement generally safe as they do not pocess chemicals that would cause posioning.if you put lead in your body it will kill you just by being there because adamantium isnt real we have assume it its posioning him from chemicals that it pocesses
Would his "healing factor" not prevent this from happening? Like would the dna not heal too?
Love that you used the original cartoon theme music
Remember in Toby's "spiderman2"? Peter Parker chose not to be spiderman and thus, his powers are gone(until later in the movie).
In this movie, Logan seriously wants to die and he declines his healing powers, so I guess it's his choice to die ?
Sir David he can't decline them, he has control over only the claws, his healing is involuntary.
klonkthegear - Games and Vlogs so is spideys strength and precognition etc
Wouldn't a theoretical healing factor like logan has, heal the telomeres of his dna. Considering it can rapidly and extensively heal any part of his body, why would it limit itself in the size of repairs?
I think you are right, even in real life there is an enzyme called Telomerase which fixes telomeres, in a fiction world it should work even better?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ when writers don't do research
berkay karlik telomerase is only present when the egg and sperm dna mix (or at least sometime around there), so that when the egg starts dividing, it has the entirety of the telomere. Shortly after, the telomerase disappears (not sure if scientists have figured out why yet), leaving you with all the telomere you'll ever have in your entire life. So its not like telomerase can just come back and add a little more dna onto the telomere, youre stuck with what you have. My real problem with this theory is that once the telomeres are gone, every time a cell replicates, real dna would be taken off each chromosome. And since the dna that was taken off would be necessary for cell function, he would start deteriorating as soon as the real dna after the telomeres was cut off. So unless the healing factor gene was present on the chromosomes literally right after the telomeres, its wouldnt be the healing factor disappearing thats killing logan, but instead his important dna disappearing, as his body would be missing the some of the code necessary to properly function.
In most interpretations of the character, his healing factor heals him by increasing the rate of replication of cells and thus being able to repair tissues from any remaining cell at an incredible fast rate. The telomeres are part of the DNA, which is inside of each nucleus of most cells. You could say that, in order to duplicate cells, you do need to duplicate the DNA as well, and it's correct.
But the "healing" of the telomeres is a whole different process because you are not repairing tissue by increasing the rate of duplication of cells, you are repairing a very particular part of your DNA. The enzyme that makes the telomere expand is, as someone said, telomerase, but that enzyme is only active in a very few cells in a mature body, it only really works when you are still not even born. There is nothing in Wolverine's power that would justify the fact that his telomerases work any different, since his healing factor doesn't need this, and it's a different process.
Well telomerase does come back in some cells... Cancer cells hence they can replicated without stopping at crazy rates but year normal cells its gone
If Wolverine can heal from the poison of a mutant lady, then why he can not heal from adamanti poisoning.😣
It makes a lot of sense and I love this theory and channel, but would those healing genes just repair the other healing genes?
okay, SPOILER ALERT!!!!
If you watch the movie closely, you'll notice you are actually wrong about telomer damage causing this. The story makes it quite clear actually that mutants are losing their powers because the food supply has been deliberately tainted with gene therapy aimed at wiping out mutant x-genes, causing mutants to lose their powers and preventing new mutants to be born. This has caused Logan's healing factor to deteriorate, making him vulnerable to adamantium poisoning. So what is killing him isn't old age, it is genetic poisoning by Doctor Rice.
Geert Hoeks But that wouldn't affect Logan because of his healing!
Ro Na it would: if the exposure is large enough over a long enough time he would be affected. It is like how he can get drunk or can get drugged if he just gets enough into his system. If he were to refrain from eating tainted goods however, he would probably recover and his healing factor return to normal.
CZcamsr good point, but it doesn't dispel the fact that it is ultimately caused by the tainted food.
Geert Hoeks when the Phoenix was destroying his skin he was healing as fast I don't think food would do him that much harm.
Ro Na He has been ingesting gene altering medication for about 2 decades when we see him in Logan. Besides, if Phoenix would have been able to keep doing what she was doing for longer, Logan's rate of healing would have decreased as well. there is only so much he can take. Apart from that, the last stand has been retconned out of existence anyway.
Because of the spoiler, it took me almost a month to watch this video
same, XD
yup
Joaco Decima yup
Same. Finally saw it today and here I am for my Film Theory on it.
Joaco Decima omg same
I love that Matt gives Steph credit for her contribution! :)
Can i just say, i watched the 90’s show, and I LOVE THAT INTRO!!!
Rather than "Bumpers" I think a better comparison for Telomeres is the plastic at the end of your shoelace. Once it's gone the shoelace (or your DNA strands) frays much faster.
Garrett Mac good comparison
A G L E T, AGLET DON'T FORGET IT!
Richard Wardle thank you
man i loved phineas and ferb
i can promise you that i will forget it just as fast as the last hundred times I've forgotten it.
Well he would have survived if he was brought to Wakanda. Just saying.
CMJ1989 lol
CMJ1989 Well said👏🤣WAKANDA FOREVER
CMJ1989 fuck wakanda that move sucked
The Best every innit
He is talking about the tech not the movie you salty bitch.
Oh my god the 8-bit intro is amazing!
Great video MatPat and rest in peace logan and it's sad that he died in the movie :]