Film Theory: Is Suicide Squad's Joker ACTUALLY Batman's Boy Wonder?
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With Wonder Woman coming out in theaters this week, I felt it was time to take a look back at some of DC's other movies from the past few years. Specifically, Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad. Back before Suicide Squad and Batman v. Superman hit theaters, there was a theory kicking around that Jared Leto's Joker was secretly Batman's sidekick, Robin. But the Director of Suicide Squad, David Ayer, seemed to dismiss this saying that Jason Todd, former Robin #2 was NOT the Joker. However, the proof we cover today shows that Suicide Squad's Joker can still be Robin...just not the Robin that everyone thought.
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Fans: how many robins have turned into joker?!
Batman: yes
@@thekingofracoons will there ever be a straightforward plot considering the push and pull between the "woke" and the classic also considering how far off the series has gotten with different timelines and plots about all with the same relevance as the xmen mortal kombat and terminator movies combined? Magic 8ball-"....*kills self*....."
How many breads have you eaten in your life?
@@TheStudiousDog czcams.com/video/ZjtA30DQdDU/video.html
Has... Damian or Stephanie been the Joker?
In Batman Beyond the Joker was the old Robin. I think it was Jason Todd.
Best evidence for Joker being a former Robin is that he is still alive, even though Batman is a cold blooded killer in DCEU.
Well Michael Keaton batman killed people to so I feel like you shouldn't be that harsh
@@cowboy557 weird thing to add but every live action Batman in movies except for George Clooney has killed someone. Keaton's, Kilmer's, Bale's and Afleck's Batman have murdered a character on screen. I'd say it's harsh to hate on Afleck too...
isn't the theory that the joker and batman are the same person (two different personalities of the same mind) not more plausible?
@@cowboy557 And he also killed the Joker.
@@msingh9115 plus the penguin
This theory is even more interesting after watching Zack Snyder’s Justice League. In the final Knightmare scene, Joker talks about Robin and he says “Why would you send the Boy Wonder to do a man’s job?” This could be Batman sending Robin to attack the first Joker but then Robin gets turned into the Joker.
Zack Snyder was asked if Jared Leto’s Joker was Robin during the watch party and he said No. So this theory has been deconfirmed as of March 18th.
@@justinwalsworth6673 oh. That’s a shame.
@@jakson6109 Yeah, I was hoping that he would be the dead Robin but then Zack said Jared wasn’t Robin which deconfirmed one of my favorite theories.
i still think Mat has a good theory about this, even if it's disconfirmed that he's Joker, having to do with Robin protecting Lois Lane and them getting killed by Darkseid or something else
Justin Walsworth I mean he may of said that to not make everyone think that Joker is robin, or he might not know who the joker is yet.
Snyder cut proved this even more
"Why send a boy wonder to do a man's job?"
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
@its the sound of da police maybe he just said that so that people stop asking
@Mr.Springtrap directors and other movie workers lie all the time to keep big reveals hidden until they are revealed
I thought it seemed pretty clear that he meant the DCEU robin suffered the same fate as jason todd,,,
Autually joker said “why you sent your boy wonder to do a man's job?”
95%: Joker is robin theory
5%: Whining about Jimmy Olsen being killed off.
Superman fans were pissed and I don't blame them lol
Even if you didn’t remember/know who jimmy olsen was, he will always play an important role
Yes
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@@Happy_kid903 wonderful comment
Being picked by batman to be Robin is literally a death sentence
how tf
@@jaysanders1347 because every robin gets tortured by the joker
@@bathcitytv5859 I think thats kinda one of the drawbacks of being a superhero
@@bathcitytv5859 uhh.. to be honest the only robin that was tortured... was jason. Look im not old to DC, so if im wrong so dont get mad at me.
@@mrscenepackman Yeah but being a child that fights against crime in Gotham, like, GOTHAM, should probably cause a lot of trauma.
In Teen Titans go, Robin is the one to dress up as Jared’s joker when they are all doing a bit about the different movie franchise Jokers of the last decade… Coincidence?
That's exactly what I was thinking
I think not
Yes
No, not a coincidence.
Because they decided to make a joke about Jared Leto's Joker being Robin considering the theory was well known.
@@devxro it’s a fucking joke dude he was never and will be the joker
MatPat: *3* Robins
Damien Wayne: Imma End this Man Whole career
He said 4, he forgot to say Damian but future mat corrected himself
3:37
RIP Stephanie Brown, died as Robin and was immediately forgotten lol
dude damian is the worst
“3 Robins”
Damian Wayne: cries in Russian
*Cries in Comunism*
Stephanie Brown: *Pats Damian's shoulder* It's okay. They forget about me to
He Murdered Todd....
I mean Dick
Tall_and_ Angry Everyone forgets her because she got fired within weeks for being too reckless and disobedient.
@@ryanoneill6481 I know, but she still was a Robin
This makes Jared's Joker make sense imo
Ive always thought this joker was pretty good ppl just be hating lmao
Jason todd is in his late teen or early 20s, jared Leto is 48 years old.
Maybe you should express yourself more respectful
Dumbest thing ever proposed. But fans do have a lot of strange ideas.
Yes
Loved this video, but i think the bullet holes on the robin suit compared to the joker's scars is the most telling reason. That's not a mistake, nor a coincidence.
in Snyder Cut Justice League, in the xtended scene when Bruce Wayne got the dream, meeting with Joker, the dialogue was actually supporting this theory.
IS "BATMAN" ACTUALLY BRUCE WAYNE ???????
Vinsen Go, no, maybe he's tony stark or something...
Bronze 69 Who is Batman ?? it's still my biggest question
Vinsen Go lol I'm ur dad
Jimmy Mc Noooooooooooo
Vinsen Go Bruce Wayne is Batman. Ya fucking tool.
*This Theory is better than the actual movie*
*both of the movies*
Shala And even the theory was bad!
Toffolus bless you
It wasn't bad it just wasn't up to mat's usual standards
*This reply is better than the actual comment*
If every single Robin ended up dying or turning into a joker now I can never watch teen Titans go the same way again
I mean correct me if I’m wrong, but in an episode where Beast Boy and Cyborg waited into the future and saw that Robin turned into Nightwing among other chaos
never happen in main timeline so not canon
Jason got revived Nightwing is in titans he is alive Tim Drake is alive dymain Wayne is alive
There all alive
@@keonscinist2333 continuity and canonicity are 2 different things, there can be many timelines in the same canon
Makes sense why Leto was so pissed at all his scenes that were cut. Saying “You had enough scenes to make a whole other movie” I’m paraphrasing though.
MatPat: "As we know there are 3 Robins."
Damien Wayne: "Hold my smoke bomb."
This video was published 2 years ago
Xavier King there’s actually 6 including Carrie Kelly and Stephanie Brown
And let just the joker mivi cams out
I mean at the time he said 3 “main” Robins so
There are a few more then that
This theory might just salvage my opinion on Leto's Joker.
Rory Collier I liked Leto Joker. Movie was bad. With a good script and direction, the character could be great.
Letos joker really looks younger than batman so the theory looks legit they can make a good story how this joker is made maybe it's gonna be good
@@AlfredFJones1776 how can someone like that joker he doesnt feel like joker he feels like a street thug joker wannabe
Thinking the same thing too after watching this theory. I always found the stories of Joker messing with Batman after torturing those close to him, especially his Robins. So does that mean Harley did this to Tim Drake because her actual 'Puddin' is dead to replace him?
imagine a future movie to fix suicide squad joker (no way they would do this) BUT cannon this entire theory, then make harley the reason tim drake has all those tattoos, she put them on him and rewrote his past, trying to turn him into her puppet, using those tattoos as "proof" of her stories about his past, to create a partner more "damaged" then she is so she seems "normal" by comparison. in a future movie, letos joker being put on blast by the REAL joker who harley was inspired to make this puppet of. "real joker" could be quippy and say things like "you thought him, to be me? dont... make.. me.... laugh...." real joker then coming out of hiding >for whatever reason he was in hiding, superman maybe, plotting< , harley sees the real "mr J" and leaves leto to seek her "true puddin" , leaving tim drake to have an identity crises, batman attempting to have him remember who he is and failing, having to put him down, big sad. breaking the bat man, making him have a bloodlust to see real joker dead. joker having had time to have a plan, a crew, a plan withen his original plan with backup plans of backup plans, bad puns at every turn which he laughs at, harley trying to get his attention only to have him push her aside,... like out a window. but her obsession she only enhanced by her time together with her watered down creation (tim drake), haves her to try again and again, so joker "agrees" to use her as a pawn, to get the batman close, only to toy with him further. as batman saw harley as a reminder of his lost partner, wanting to save her from herself because he couldnt save tim from HImself. from TIMSELF if you would. this sets up plent of motivations, cleans up the past joker, brings in a better designed joker to be a bigger threat. gives harley more screentime with actual reason for her being there. playing on her mental illness, giving joker a proper "relationship" with her. fan service to have robin in the movies, a new low point for batman. could even have real joker reference how poor of an imitation tim drake was, and how insulting it was for harley to latch onto tim with himself in mind. this didnt take much thought, just a jumping off point, i tried to keep it short, hope you enjoyed my fan fic that i made up as i went.
“Three robins”
Steph and Damian: the audacity
Sad thing is that canonically Joker is always supposed to be 10 years older than Batsy but he’s rarely portrayed correctly
Joker is actually about 5-10 years younger than batman (the Joker is between 25-34)
this gives me a whole new perspective of Robin in "teen titans go"
Yeah and that theory also reminds me of that one episode in teen titans go where all the titans sneak in tye batcave and everybody breaks Batman's stuff and Robin is super nervous about how Batman will react to this. At the end, he doesn't really care about Batman and writes on his car with spray paint "From Joker".
@@fakename3440 omg i did not think of that!
@@Ram-es3hc it was a joke
@@chaoshenrysevenstickmin3148 idk
@@Ram-es3hc it's ok now u know he was pranking batm
I’d imagine this joker is just a dude who pretended to be joker
Well, He's called Joker because he can be anything.
Whose just pretending to be a dude
Dᴏᴄᴛᴏʀ nah because otherwise Harley Quinn would not be so crazy about him, though to be fair I'm only at the start of the video ┐( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)┌
315giants XD
And the joker which joker pretends to be is actually Joaquin Phoenix.
Technically, Joker AND Jason Todd both portrayed a character named Red Hood.
Me who just watched the Snyder Cut Justice league: Yes Mat...it seems like u were right....i could almost say its 100% confirmed... i dont want to give out spoilers but .....i think what Jared says in the snyder cut is just proof of this theory being true
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory on March 18th during the ZSJL Watchparty when asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin?” And he said no.
@@justinwalsworth6673 Well ;v; ty for the info
@@mariagabrielarodadoroman5679 Yeah, this video just got recommended to me and I remembered that during the watch party he answered this. I originally thought so too because of what he said but then he typed that he wasn’t in the chat bar
@@justinwalsworth6673 Sorry. It's my head cannon now.
@@justinwalsworth6673 did u even watch the video?
My Father: I will give you a brand new car for your birthday.
Me: Holy interplanetary yardstick
Muhammad Hashir 😂😂😂
Wut da Vinci the same time as a result of the year. the
Omg
@@skewter2487 popopooppopop
Interplanetary yard stick is a probe from the aliens
"There are 3 Robin's."
Damian Wayne: am I a joke to you?
Yes
@Falconstars509YT - Roblox and more! damian was still a character
He made a note about it, assuming y'all actually watched the theory. I can't give a timestamp (I don't care that much), but it's there.
Fun Fact there were 5 robins
@@TheOGPlatypus spoiler does not count
I am sold on this one. Tim Drake finding out he used to be Robin would make the lovers' spat coming from that a doozy!
I love this theory it was the first
film/game/food theory I ever watched and it got me invested. That was 4 years ago and I still go back and rewatch it sometimes. One of my favorite theorys ever
"A guy who shoots good, a guy who CLIMBS good, and a Girl who Bats Okay."
Harley: Well, listen here, puddin'.
XD
"Bonk"
Matpat: *chuckles* Im in danger
Correction:Bats as if she was in killer clowns from Outer space.
[Just check out the movie,you'll see what I mean]
Dick Grayson actually used a staff too before he became Nightwing. Even then Nightwings baton thingies snap together in some canons to become a staff
You're right, but Tim is more notable for it. I think that's the idea.
Helix The King, but I think he mainly used the sticks separately. IDK tho
What If Its Damian Wayne thats gonna be the new robin after all he is the son of bat man
Well dick is still alive considering he's getting his own movie in 2019
Helix The King aka young justice
If you think about it, batman is literally an abusive guardian. He takes teens into his care and makes them to fight dangerous criminals. They might want to, but any good parent/guardian would try to at least make them wait untill they are adults to go out fighting crime.
He does try to stop them, and always trains them first, plus he has tried to no end to keep them safe in all other aspects, if he said no, they'd still do it, just a lot less safe. For example, Damian was told he wasn't to be Robin, and he did it anyway, almost got killed. Jason was told he couldn't go for the Joker on his own, he did anyways, got killed. It's to be expected that they'd do it anyways, if he just says yes then it will be on his terms with equipment and training
to be honest if he didn't i'd say 4 of them would've become assassins or murderers and the other 2 would be homeless orphans
The Robin themed intro is so wholesome
This vid made me realize how much work he actually put into these like his edits r so unnecessary but it probably took for ever
First time I heard David say that “Jason Todd” isn’t the joker I was like you didn’t say that robin isn’t the joker.
@Shik. M. I believe you were wrong. He was asked the weirdest thing he has heard said about the movie. Also the answer he gave wouldn't make much sense. Why say "that jason Todd is not the joker" and not "No, jason Todd isn't the joker."
@Shik. M. am probably dumb and I apologize but I dont understand how this helps your statement. Tho it doesn't harm it either. I never claimed he said that the joker was jason Todd I said he said the opposite that the joker is not jason Todd.
@Shik. M. I looked back at the comment and you see right and wrong I forgot to put in not that's why. So sorry again it should make more sense.
@Shik. M. saying "No, jason Todd isn't the joker" means you are responding to yes or no question. While "that Jason Todd is the joker" is referring to a question that isn't yes or no like in this case where he was asked the weirdest thing said about the movie he wasn't asked if Jason Todd is the killer.
@Shik. M. tbh I also forgot but fair point.
Spoiler Warning
This also really makes sense when the joker teams up with Batman in Snyder cut
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
@@justinwalsworth6673 so he says but just look at the evidence
@@justinwalsworth6673 does he have to tell the truth every time maybe they don't want to spoil something that big
@@justinwalsworth6673 Could be a cover up to hide the truth, just saying
@@justinwalsworth6673 There's also the idea of Death of the Author where the artists intention is not as important as the viewers' interpretation of the work. So, unless it is specifically stated in the film itself, it is up to interpretation.
5 years later this video is still better than the original Suicide Squad
Tbh it wasn't as good as The suicide squad but it wasn't that bad
Technically red hood is an anti hero. Not a villain. He's just misunderstood for killing rapists and murderers and was originally labeled as a villain by Batman.
k
Shelby outlaws can be heroes too!
Shelby oohhhh
By that logic batman would consider a lot of heroes villians. I mean hell even spiderman kills sometimes.
This is true. Very true.
So, if Harley erases Robins memory to make him the Joker...In a way, were shipping Robin x Harley????
BeautyStarz 11 The door.
Robley
That’s the ship.
BeautyStarz 11 We're*
idiot
:O
BeautyStarz 11 o shit
Funny how this guy comes out with these weird theories but makes them sound so believable
I'm still going with this theory after watching the Snyder Cut.
Isnt he Robin, cuz that is what i got after his quotes
Zack Snyder deconfirmed this theory on March 18th during the ZSJL Watchparty. He was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin?” And he said no.
@@justinwalsworth6673 Its also been confirmed that Leto joker killed the robin in the dceu
@@kylemccabe1863 maybe he killed his identity (:
@@filipmarszaek9345 the theory is bad and isn’t true stop it
Am I the only one who remembers the comic where Robin kills Harley Quinn and the Jokers BABY!!! and the scene in suicide squad where the Joker lays in the middle of a knife filled floor with BABY CLOTHING in the corner, and then the joker does this really psychotic laugh and all of us villain lovers melt.
Nena Lopez AHEM robin kills in injustice 2
I believe it was said that the baby clothes in suicide squad was something Harley took from one of the victims joker killed
Anonymous A. 😂💖
starstudios49 ! I disagree on the laugh though.
Mckenzie Murdoch How so?
“Their are only three robins”
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*Damian Wayne pulls out his katanas*
Stephanie Brown and Carrie Kelley has joined the chat
This video is old Marisol
@@nowtmrb3337 Like he's going to factor in the chicks when it comes to talking about a male character. They have even less of a chance of being Joker than Todd did after that interview
He writes a note at 3:36
All the other robins are staring at film theory in a angry way .
"I'll be happy to discuss with you, why would you send the boy wonder to do a man's job"
-Joker (Zack Snyder's Justice League)
3:36
5, Don’t forget Stephanie!
“Holy interplanetary yardstick” may be the best thing robin ever said
XD
Omfg good effin point
I present: “Holy Gradually Enlarging Blue Rhino Foot Batman! He’s got us outgunned!”
Agreed
Lol
I love how matpat used the best evidence at the end and uses the worst at the beginning🤣
Yeah, that's standard reveal philosophy, as seen in every mystery show ever.
If you start with your strong evidence the last things people here is you making a bunch of weak points. Even if you started out with the murderer CONFESSING, the audience will be kinda bored and/or sceptical by the time you finish all the little bits about ToD and fingerprints.
If you start with the weak stuff and work your way in, you build in strength and conviction as you go, until you're hammering it home like a home dunk. It's a much more entertaining experience for the audience.
Hunter Hippo ikr
TheBoundFenrip
Thats how he gets you to keep watching
Matt patt: joker isn't older than batman
Joker 2019: *sweating intensified*
Ikr he was batman's age when he was 5
The you sent a boy wonder to do a man's job in the snyder cut makes a little more sense now
MatPat: *mentions green lantern*
Me: those were dark times, Ryan...
'ryan' as if you knew him in real life.
They can easily make him Robin. Do a prequel. It’s just Jared Leto with short brown hair. Boom. Or at least have a flash back. Hell. DC doesn’t try with their movies though. Ever.
You seen Joker (2019)? They're tryin now.
i dont think Jared Leto will come back to DC
You should watch the animated ones. They are great and the the dark Knight series.
Shazam and Aquaman?
Maybe this is the reason BATMAN NEVER KILLS JOKER and i quote Batman never actually killing the Joker, even when it's clear that it would solve at least half of Gotham City's problems, is absolutely one of those strings that you can't pull on too hard without seeing the whole thing collapse
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
I love this video because when I clicked on it for the first time I only saw part of the title which was "Film Theory: Is Suicide Squad's Joker ACTUALLY Batman's Boy-" and my brain automatically filled the gap with "friend. His boyfriend". Now I'd watched the Lego Batman a lot so I didn't think to question it at all, which is still so funny to me
Teen titans robin is the robin that used the staff.
Coincidense? I Think Not
Cat gaming dick Grayson?
*coincidence
not to mention, in the comics Dick Grayson aka Nightwing was one of the core members of the original Teen Titans
hey there bud want some candy? Not dick. Tim.
@@Donpork7 he became Nightwing during the time travel episode, it's dick Grayson. Except if you mentioned the Titans life action series or the teen Titans go
I feel so bad for Robin now...
*And my brain hurts.*
Trust me this kind of stuff happens to the Robins all the time in the comics. It's good to feel bad though.
Jason Todd was killed BECAUSE OF THE FANS OF THE COMICS.
@@nighteye7759 And then people got pissed after his ass got sodomized by a crowbar.
Thats what hapens when u watch film theory
You’ll get used to it. DC treats all robin like literal garbage anyway.
There's no reason to think that the real name of the government operative who introduces himself to Lois Lane as "Jimmy Olsen, photographer" is actually Jimmy Olsen. It's far more likely that he's an agent using a cover identity based on a real photographer.
It’s been 3 years, and it seems like we might find out if we get another synder film after ZSJL.
This would definitely make letos joker alot more interesting lol
Except the writers aren't that smart
@@Hylan171 They were smart enough to cut his screen time down to five minutes.
Although admittedly, that could have been the editor doing everyone a favor.
we gotta admit, Heath Ledger's Joker was the best
@@binthvingit992 movie was ledger the best but out of all the jokers I like mark hamill the best
Are you slovene
So this is for those that are interested in knowing a little more about DCU/ what some of the comments are talking about.
1. There are actually more than 4 Robins all together in DCU- Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Stephanie Brown, Carrie Kelly, Duke Thomas. However, Matpat did say the 4 'main' robins, in which I assume would be the 4 most iconic robins: Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian; and for the rest of the comments, i'll only be focusing on these 4.
2. All Robins did indeed have an iconic/ trademark weapon used. However, some only started using them after they left the robin identity behind, and taking on a new cover. Dick (as Nightwing) uses Eskrima Sticks, Jason (as Red Hood) uses guns as a rebellious way against Bruce's policy/principle about using guns, Tim (both as Robin and Red Robin) uses a staff, and Damian uses Katana Swords.
3. Dick once had an ancestor with the same name as he did. Therefore the name on the gravestone could have been Dick's dead relative instead. A solo Nightwing movie has been confirmed as well (2019), so it is highly unlikely Robin Dick Grayson is dead in DCEU. (Edit: Some of the comments also talked about another theory, which would be Dick faking his death and becoming a secret Spy. This would follow the comics 'Grayson', afther the 'Nightwing' series had ended, in case some of you guys were interested in checking it out!)
4. Most people, including me, thinks that the robin tattoo is more of Joker's way of showing off that he managed to kill off Jason.
5. The line where Bruce said 'How many good guys are left, and how many stayed that way?' while looking at the Robin suit could be Bruce referring to Jason. Depending if Jason in DCEU has revived yet, and depending if Bruce has already found out about Jason being Red Hood, we have to remember that Red Hood has always been more of an anti-hero. So, if that line being said in that scene wasn't a coincidence, it could be Bruce reference to Jason as an anti-hero that kills rather than a Joker-Tim.
I, however, really enjoyed the theory! And I think it's awesome how Matpat has talked about DC multiple times despite the complexity, depth, and history behind DCU as a whole. Thank you for the video!
Comic nerd alert.
You confuse yourself. Educate yourself with taking all that shit and condensing it to fit into the movie world. TFT's theory is correct and makes sense. You're theory is just filled with extra junk only comic dicks would know. We don't give a shit... tell that to DC. Tell that to Zach. Tell that to anyone. They'll say fuck you. They have a good universe and it's based on ZAch's imagination.
Hero Hour isn't that the reason for a tv show? Followed by a big movie? Cause itd be pretty easy to put all the comic stuff in if u just used a tv show and filmed movies for big finales or something.
Hero Hour what does him knowing more about comics have to do with anything and remember these are just theories they aren't actual facts
Hero Hour Hi, i am also a avid comic nerd and I'm genraly confused on you problem with his comment, it was genraly well thought out and respectful to Matt Patt's original theroy, even to the point of him thanking him for the video. I'm also confused that you imply that his theroy is invalid because it has elements from the comics are in it. Matt Patt's did as well, and you should never considered a THEROY law. And its a comic movie, so of course its gonna have compatisons drawn to it, heck snyder bassed BvS mostly of dark knight returns, and jokers tats are even a refrance to his apperance in All Star Batman and Robin, with his dragon tattoo on his back. So of course theres gonna be comparesons drawn to the comics, because the film makers put them in there as easter eggs! And im not saying that because im a comic fan, it because these comics are why the movies where made! If suicide squad wasn't bassed off an edtablished poperty no one would watch it, and even more people would hate it. (By the way I do recomend reading comic's, there way better that the films in my openion) It just sucks that the comment section has to be so toxic, why can't we just keep it civil? I love talking with people and about differing points of view. But hey, that's just me I gusse...
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This just works even better when you see the nightmare scene from the snyder cut were almost sounds more bitter then tounting when he talks about Robin
I just watch the justice league Snyder cut movie and I think maybe your theory might be right
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
@@justinwalsworth6673 probably just didn’t want to go through with it.
A theorist mistakes Red Hood for a villian, he’s an Anti-Hero.
your profile matches this comment so perfectly
@@artistonarampage9482 no it's not dumbass
Jeez chill
THANK YOU! SOMEONE NOTICED
@@chefcorinth Jason Todds Red hood is an antihero but the redhood in general is a villian and also first jason todds redhood was a "villian" to taunt batman.
So he is kinda right
Sad that the Theories are ALWAYS better than the actual story.
Yeah
DavidzToyz its not sad
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ye lol
@@llamaproductions5320 it's cause theories sound so badass compared to real thing I
WB could take advantage of this to introduce another joker that fans will love and they can say its the original joker and the one from suicide squad was a robin
Me getting mad at MatPat from 3 years ago for not mentioning the CW’s Arrow even tho Amanda Waller plays a big role in the first few seasons.
that show is way too underrated
@@kawaiiqueee3489 Ik the entire Arrowverse is
Jared leto being 46 years old in real life is unreal. He seriously looks like hes in his early 30's.
Still a bad idea
Wtf
Five months late but just wanted to say it's probably the magic of not being married.
I look about 15 years younger than my old schoolmates (true story) because the "happy married life" made them look much older than they really are while my stress free life makes me look younger than I am.
PS > I'm also far, far healthier than they are.
Johnny Two Hands truee
8:00 A black hole of rage and confusion:
Are we sure he didn’t just go to school?
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YOUR RIGHT HOLY CAP!!
YOUR RIGHT,he just went to school!
Wait until you have a dead end job
Oh my-
@@diegobarron1690 i wrote the og comment when i was an edgy 13 year old. im starting to look for one lmao.
I've come from the future, to tell you that there is an actual Snyder Cut of Justice league that came out during the great Coronavirus of 2020 (Boy are you in for a treat!). This completed cut is the good ending of the terrible Whedon cut of Justice League. It confirms that Joker is Robin.
Good luck with it all!
Zack Snyder deconfirmed the theory during the ZSJL Watchparty where he was asked “Is Jared Leto’s Joker Robin” And he said No.
1:00 The Waynes death scene was to introduce the "Martha" one, if we would not have had this scene we would not have understood that the last word of Thomas was "Martha ....." pronounced by Superman in exactly the same way as Thomas
I think I could explain the bird tattoo it means joker killed robin you know because it has an arrow going through a robin
Or it could mean he knew he was robin and he saying that robin is gone and he is here
Kaydence Brown an arrow
Kaydence Brown really doesn't mean anything to Jason or any other robin
agree
It could mean that Robbin is dead he is joker now
Or it could just mean "Robin Hood"😉
Hey Film Theorists, with the new Pirates of the Caribbean recently released, can you make a video trying to find out how old Jack Sparrow is? Because he seems to never age throughout the series. Plus you could make a conspiracy as to the reason he never ages.
(like if you want it to happen)
Throughout the movies he always tried to find some thing that would help him to live forever. In first one we can argue that he would go with the coins if there were no sideeffects (which all the cursed crew had) and in the second and third he wanted to stab Davy´s heart so he would become captain of Dutchman and live forever, BUT! dying Orlando crossed his plan. So he set sail for the fountain of youth which happened to be destroyed (and requiring someone else life to give you some extra years to live) and since in fifth one he acts like he suddenly does not care about not dying, we can assume that somewhere in between those years (between forth and fifth movie) he found some other thing that earned him eternal youth (or adulthood), or gave him some extra years. So... it would be fair to say that he already found what he was looking for and now is just wandering around, getting drunk more than ever cause his quest came finally to the end. Even in fifth one (spoiler alert) he says in the end when asked by Gibbs where off to, he says that they will go by stars. Yeah, it is reference to Carina, but suddenly Jack has no plan were of to and what else could give him an eternal life? Hmm, suspicious. Or maybe he just got over it and dont care anymore, but that is not likely.
Maybe you can ask his wife how old he is. Wait he doesn't have one. Cause he bashed her. Remember?
good idea
Fountain of Youth?
I tell ya, Its all that rum, its like a fountain of youth for him XD
3:44 he really said the D word 💀
idk if this is useful but in teen Titans Go the cartoon series there's a skit where cyborg, beast boy, and Robin dress up as a specific joker and what do you know Robin dressed up as the joker from suicide Squad.
A couple of problems I have with this theory:
1. That bird tattoo is probably more of a 'trophy' to show off the fact that Joker has killed a Robin in his past
2. If this wasn't the real Joker, then everyone in Gotham would know. No one, including Amanda Waller, Batman or the crime lords, gave any sort of indication that this was a new 'Robin' joker - for instance, when Batman saves Harley surely he would've said something like 'you broke him'
3. Harley Quinn's origin story makes more sense if it was the original Joker who corrupted her
4. I read somewhere the Jared Leto commented on the 'damaged tattoo' and said that it was a symbol for the fact that this Joker has had a long history with Batman and has gained many scars from their encounters
But those are just my thoughts
BUT THAT'S JUST SOME THOUGHTS, SOME RTE FILMS THOUGHTS!
RTE Films Nice👍
The Joker NEVER returned Harley's affections.
RTE Films Whatever, I bet you don't even have a beard.
RTE Films 5 : tim came after harly
is it just me or is matpat going through an obsession with his "true identity" theories?
TheRetroKid 101 His last few theories were boring, not really close to the ones that made me sub.
Aditya Shukla agreed
MatPat is actually Jason. You heard it first here.
AND Zack Snyder said it was bullshit : www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-v-superman-zack-snyder-debunks-joker-was-robin-fan-theory-a6963756.html
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I think the robin suit with the joker graffiti is a reference to Jason Todd as is the “how many are still around” Bruce is in-between robins at this point
To me you will always be the batman of theories
It would be pretty damn stupid if they did kill off Dick Grayson/ Nightwing... He's one of the most beloved characters in DC, if they'd kill him off they'd loose a lot of fans. Since Grayson was the original Robin and most people believe he was the best one, if he were to be dead in the DCEU it would piss a lot of people off.
Naomi Wilson If they do kill Dick Grayson, I'm going to filp a table
Naomi Wilson I'm fine with Nightwing being dead.
Naomi Wilson i thing that they were on drugs when making DCEU
shhhhhhhhhhh... anyone who does not care if my beloved is dead shall be shushed.
Once again assuming they make these movies for comic book nerds, and not the general movie-going public who doesn't give a shit about minor details and minor characters.
I didn't even know there was more than one robin until a few years ago, and I still don't care.
10:24 "If you zoom in a bunch of times an enhance it is says"
all I see is blur,
same
Same to
Ah yes, blur the iconic robin.
It makes me wonder if this was going to be the story and they just hadn’t got to it yet
Robin: did a Catchphrase
MatPat did a Catchphrase: It's A Theory
Hater: actually the scar is a millimeter to the left.
Matpat: aren't you the same guy I told yesterday to just stop watching if you're going to give it hate.
Hater:Maybe
What
Im confused
wazzaphi1
Which scar are you talking about?
Did you guys watch the video?
Goodnight- Moon the j scar
*The bat car brakes down*
Batman: the BATtery is dead Robin can you go fix it?
Robin: Batman what’s a TERY
McGuinness?
LoL
BATMOBILE
Kirishima Batman beyond
This fits really well because isn't Robin's backstory like he was in a circus?
Matpat in 2017: the age of the actor is not evidence of anything.
Matpat 2022: this actor shouldn’t be the joker in this universe as he is younger than the Batman actor. He would be better as a character the same age as Batman.
MatPat would've been great as a recurring character in the Big Bang Theory. Sheldon would hold a ton of grudges against him, then begin to have the utmost respect for the guy that makes him doubt everything.
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A Nightwing Movie featuring Dick Grayson is coming helmed by the director of the Lego Batman Movie announced a few months ago. He isnt dead. In synders original draft all of Batman's allies were dead, to make Batman a Killer with no Hope left. Though WB changed things for future installments. Both Grayson & Gordon have upcoming roles in the DCEU now. As for the Tim Drake Joker thing. He was only turned into Joker because the DCAU couldn't do the Jason Todd death on Tv, due to censorship. So the 2nd Animated Robin was a combination of Jason's Origin and attitude + Drake' s name and detective skills. Lastly suicide squad Harley Quinn killed a Robin prior to BVS. Which the SS director stated shortly after the film's release. In early cuts of the film, Harley's bio said this as well. The dead Robin was confirmed to be Todd. Geoff johns first Batman film script was suppose to center around arkham asylum & setting up a future appearance of Red Hood. Though Afleck didn't like the script and has since dropped out being director. Red Hood is rumored to appear due to increased popularity & will most likely show up as a main villain in a Batman Movie. Synder's vision was changed, but Jimmy is still dead. In closing, Grayson will be Nightwing with the plot taking place after BVS. The director doesn't want to do an origin story though, so it probably center around one of his Chuck Dixon stories and in Gothams sister city Bludhaven.
kNIGHTWING01 woah you watch gametheory noice
kNIGHTWING01 someone who actually did research and knows what he is talking about
kNIGHTWING01 it would be cool to see tim and dick team up in the nightwing movie like tim is trying to get the hang of being robin so dick teaches him because jason is red hood though i would like to see jasons ressurection.
but how can Dick Grayson be Nightwing if he's dead
Bc filmakers will say "it was just a nod, not canon" Bc Hollywood really doesnt give two craps about continuity, actually neither do the comics. Every writer kinda just does what they want as long as it sells.
What if Harley turned him into the Joker because she lost her puddin initially and the story she gave us in the Suicide squad wasn't her origin story, but was the time she went undercover to mess with Tim's head and turn him into the Joker?
She could've seen something was wrong with him that made him psychologically attached to the Joker which explains why he dressed up as the Joker. He probably took on the personality of the Joker and she saw that as an opportunity to revive her Puddin. By exploiting Tim's mental illnesses and confirming that he is who he thinks he is behind the scenes.
Edit: okay, nevermind Matt just said that lol.
4:38 red hood is not a villain he's a anti hero
Now they're having a stand alone Joker movie, with Jared Leto, and a Joker: Origins... with Joaquin Phoenix. I think this is a good indicator of the "Robin turned Joker in the movie" theory being true.
phillysteak419 I didn't know Jared was doing a Joker movie...why two Joker movies with two different actors? Unless this isn't theory, but fact..
sassonfire Yeah, as of June Leto was slated to star and direct in his own Joker movie. With the Joaquin Phoenix movie, and all the nods to a Robin gone bad in B-man vs. S-man, it's cemented that this is the case (in my mind, at least)! I mean, like you said, why would they have 2 different people?! Maybe the director is trying to be clever ("it's not Jason Todd"), by using one of the other Robin's names, but doing the same story line. One of the things that makes it so hard to believe him is.... in B Vs. S, one of the most iconic shots recreates the cover of one of the comics for the Jason Todd storyline. It all just points to it, and if I'm right... I'm going to be so frickin' giddy! Lol
sassonfire m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/05/jared-letos-joker-getting-his-own-movie
I want to say, I haven't checked on this in a couple of months. So, there might be new news completely debunking my theory, but here's an article mentioning that they're both doing one.
I think it's a good indication that DC doesn't know what they're doing.
Sightseeing Or that! Lol!
In the court of owls arc of the new 52 night wing it is revealed that Dick has an ancestor named Richard and it doesn't make sense for Dick to be dead since we are getting a nightwing movie...
Also if we are taking age into consideration let's take in to count the fact that Dick Grayson WOULDNT HAVE BEEN ALIVE at the time of the Wayne family's burial its most improbable that the grave is his. And because we don't see him at all we can assume that Damien Wayne isn't around yet so it is extremely likely that Tim Drake is still robin
Kaiden Cunningham the movies don't tie in to the comics, because then (spoiler alert) batman would be dead in the movies because joker killed him in new 52 "end game"
Mc Jimmerson Bruce Wayne is actually alive again
Mc Jimmerson Bruce Wayne didn't die he faked it and Dick Grayson took over until he came back...
Batman:i am vengeance, I am the night, i am batman
The random guy at the end of the batman:i am vengeance
Matpat:i am a conspiracy guy
The hierarchy of cool one liners in a nutshell
The first POW got me rolling...🤣
The question is : Where is THE REAL Joker
There's a joker movie coming up with joaquin phoenix ;)
i think he retired?
Joaquin Phoenix is still the Joker
Cameron Monaghan
i think hes dead or something
6:45 He can't just climb good, he can climb.....anything.
DariusOnly Head explodes
Yeah, that's a good help against a demigod who can fly and shoot lasers from his eyes and is super strong.
Can he climb out of hell?
GLfor the guy climbing ANYTHING with no head
DariusOnly but matpat didn't thhe joker turn harly into harly?
This theory feels even more reinforced by the joker movie and the Batman movie, I feel like this subject should be revisited especially since the timelines of the original joker and Batman are adding up
What about Damian? Not turned into the joker in the comics, but he does have some clone story lines.
"Maybe she was trying to erase something specific..." or maybe SHE DIDN'T FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM YET. She wasn't Harley Quinn when she did the electroshock therapy, she slowly fell in love with him, she didn't know anything about him
This is one of your less thought through theories. Lots of it relies on the fact that Dr Quinzel was already Harley Quinn, but she was just doing her job with the electroshock therapy. And she has always been naive before she fell in love with Joker. Definitely too innocent to want to brainwash Robin into becoming the Joker.
Loblolly0228 Gaming Exactly what I was thinking
Robin was already turning into the Joker. Harley fell in love with the Joker side of Robin's personality, and then used electroshock therapy to remove the Robin bits.
I'm pretty sure she started falling in love with him while she was his therapist.
you is right i made a comment up there before i saw yours but you have the same points as i do also (there was no electroshock therapy confirmed? like i dont remember there being shock on the joker unless my memory is bad)
Adam West
Sept. 19, 1928 - Jun. 9 2017
Peanut may he rest in peace
Peanut Can I Just Say, Me And My Dad Were Talking About Him After We Watched The LEGO Batman Movie, He Died 5 Hours Later...
RIP Batman And Mayor West
joe west
rip
RIP
Batman: “hey kid I got free WiFi in my batvan come in” the kid: “alright yay”
This is hands down my favorite DC theory.