#29 BUFORD PUSSER: The Other Story... Voices from the Past. A conversation with Dr Jerry Francisco.
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2024
- This installment features a recording of a conversation I had with Tennessee State Medical Examiner Doctor Jerry Francisco several years ago when I began in earnest, my search for the truth in the "Pusser Legend."
In this conversation, you can hear what Doctor Francisco had to say regarding the autopsy of Louise Hathcock as well as out discussion about why an autopsy was never performed on Pauline Pusser. - Zábava
The depth and the breadth of corruption back then was enormous. The fact that no one pursued the shooting of Louise Hathcock any further could very well be the reason why the questions of Pauline’s death were never addressed. Having worked in a small TN town, I know the frustration of having legitimate questions ignored by the powers that be. You ask yourself, do I really want to end up on the autopsy table? You are basically on your own with no one to support your findings or speak out at all.
My dear friend entered law enforcement before I did. He worked a wreck with a passenger death. He went to the hospital to have blood drawn from the driver, who was the son of a prominent local and was extremely intoxicated, and was cussed out for mentioning it. Then when he went to the DA with his warrant for vehicular homicide, the DA ripped it up and threw it away, saying are you F’ing kidding me with this? My friend was tormented from there on out, and eventually had to leave the department and work for another neighboring agency, or lose his cool from the torment.
Having things swept under the rug and ignored was an all too common occurrence back in the day. I totally understand why Pauline’s death was accepted at face value and never questioned.
I served at Fort Bragg from 75 to 78 and we were talking about the movie Walking Tall. We all thought it was a great movie except one guy, and he became angry about it saying the movie was all b.s and he knew B.P and he wasn't a good guy. His last name was Bunch.
Funny how in service you only remember peoples last names. LOL. If I worked in the S-1 because I could type, which I kept hidden most of the time. I did know first and last names.
Fascinating, Sir.Thank you!
Very welcome
A lot of time has passed since this all happened. Glad you have taken up the cause to find the truth. Time has help to cover a lot of this up.
I'm STILL a fan of Sheriff Pusser. If we had to go up against this type of corruption we would be no different. He was a man who stood up to fight evil for people who could not or would not.
Thank you, Mike! Looking forward to the next video.
Enjoying the interviews
I worked in that county back in the 80s you should have heard how the old timers talked about Buford Pusser back then
What was said?
That autopsy on Pauline wont find anything. Even if they do, the TBI won't tell anyone or they'll lie about it to protect the financial interests of Adamsville since BP is a financial boon to the town. Theyll protect that at all costs.
If they weren't interested in the true findings of the autopsy, why do it in the first place? Today's TBI is not the TBCI of yesteryear.
You are exactly right. We lived in Adamsville 4 years the city police chief and city judge were both crooked and l talked to many many older residents of Mcnairy county. Even the older woman at the courthouse hated Buford pusser and said he was the most crooked person that ever lived.
I don’t know about the most crooked person that ever lived just look at Biden …
I will be waiting
My father in law lived in Acton tn between Corinth and michie tn for over 50 years. I asked him one time. Did he ever spend time up there at the state line when all of that corruption with Buford was going on he said no way I’ll never have been a drinker and hanging around up. There always meant that you might not ever come home!
I am amazed that the doctor talked to you and never met you,now days they would probably say I can't give you any information, or I don't have time now.
Kinda sounds like it’s made up
Keep up the great work .
No, not at this late date, but if he was behind her death, if the evidence points to Buford, a crime will have been solved and Pauline's sibling may get some closure.
Cant wait to hear about her autopsy
I have my doubts no one was more surprised than Mike. That vault looked pretty secure. If that cemetery hasn't been under water it's gonna be interesting. Adamsville is afraid it's gonna ruin their economy. If Buford is a proven liar, they gonna repaint the water tower? Dwanna is gone don't think her children the only ones that matter are gonna cause a fuss no money in it. The museum and home belong to the state of Tennessee I believe? We'll see. Hollywood will make another movie no problem "Walking Tall" The Truth!" Probably working on a script now.
Very good, Mike
Thanks
Very interesting
Looks like several agencies directly involved were not really anxious to share their findings!
Ed from Lynchburg
Some deputies didn't want to throw Buford under the bus and I think local politics were involved. It's as if after the autopsy fiasco with Louise, they were afraid of what an autopsy on Pauline would find. Peeler and Abernathy failed here.
I always thought that anytime there's a death and a Doctor is not in attendance that a Autopsy was mandatory.
Great Job
I'd like to add this for context:
During Pusser's tenure as sheriff of McNairy, there would have most likely been an unusual amount of federal law enforcement presence in that area. Philadelphia, Miss is around 3 hours south of the state line on highway 45. The MIBURN case went on a few years. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered nearby in Memphis in 1968. It's highly likely McNairy County was doing everything it could to avoid federal presence. Given the rumors and legends even of moonshine operations in the area.
Philadelphia is on highway 15, not highway 45. Highway 45 goes through Meridian and then to Mobile.
@coreybumgardner3846 You'd have to get to 15. Feds coming from DC. 45 was the major highway through there during Pusser's tenure.
The fact that the reconstruction showed that a chase vehicle could not catch Pussers vehicle by the time it reached the bridge like Pusser said brings a lot of doubt as to Pussers honesty !!
As ive said before this may have been a double cross !
The criminals may have had a deal with Pusser to help him with a false ambush .. to shootup his car with an already deceased Pauline in the passenger seat while Pusser stood a a safe distance ! Then pusser was supposed to get back in pull over and give himself a minor flesh wound.
However the criminals may have decided that this was also their chance to surprise Pusser and get rid of him. So as they pulled away they shot for his head but hit the jaw !
I say this because i could see pusser shoting himself in the arm or something but blowing his own jaw out is going a little too far !
Are you stupid or something?
Police back over 50 years ago were different than they are today. I recall talking to an old man back in the 1980s that had been a policeman back around 1950 and I asked him: "Did you ever steal anything when you were a cop back then?" and he replied: "Oh no, no... you know, just when you could." :)
Cops steal from you now with overtime and bogus tickets!
Yes the entry and exit wounds are consistent with her positioned angle in the vehicle but they can usually tell if it's close range also.
Wonder when Pauline’s autopsy will be completed?
good question...
Back in the day people tried to discredit Wyatt Earp", sometimes you got to go outside the law to restore law and order.
Not much of an interview mainly just you talking. Although I don’t think he had much to say he did not have much time to respond. You have a deep conviction regarding Pusser and you basically told him what you knew and that was the interview with a few yeps and yeahs from him. I find your stories very interesting. And enjoy your page. Let them speak, they were there. I hope you take this in the light it is intended. Your research is good.
I understand your point, however, people don't often wish to speak about sensitive matters, especially with a total stranger over the phone. You have to try and keep them engaged as they can hang up on you at any time.
Doctor Francisco mentioned more than once that Warren, Jones had suspicions about Pauline's death, also that Jones asked him to go to the scene with him. Francisco also confirmed what I had heard about the Pussers being separated, something I was on the fence about.
Another important find was when he explained the protocols for having an autopsy performed. Different states have different regulations. This was important information as I was wondering about Doctor Peeler's and D.A. Abernathy's willingness to pursue the truth.
Then he volunteered information about Buford's BAC and confirmed that he was intoxicated, something that Pusser fans hate to hear.
I think there was a lot of good information gained.
I would to pont out that at no time did Dr. Francisco say that had any proof of pusser doing any thing wrong. Most of what you say is based on hear say. From people that are related to persons that pusser had arrested shot or owned bars at that time. And in so far as saying some one is suspicious means nothing. That's not evidence. You have to have more than rummors. I mean know disrespect but people say things about others all the time out of spite ext... As far as Buford lieing about his injury's what was in the movie was aways made clear to be only based on truth not all real. For instance if pusser waited to white wash his story he would not let the book the twelfth of August be published. It was made clear he drove fast and was a big drinker. And he handcuffed towhead white and beat him to a pulp. My late father had received tickets from Buford. I had been to his house before he died spoken to his daughter many times. Spoke to Buford. Aways very nice people. Last but not least in my life I have terrible things said about me that were false. Any time you do a job and do it well.that gives you any authority or you have go against some one for any reason some people will say things that are intrue. Time will tell when Pauline s autopsy comes back.
Well said.
It’s so sad that Dawanna took her own of life a few years back. Do you know how she did that and why? A lot of sad things about the innocent people in this family.
I read something about Dwana committed divide what a gun , but can’t be positive if that’s true or not I just know for sure that she’s no longer alive, but I haven’t found anything that says for sure what caused her death,
I once saw Buford the Bull wrestle Hillbilly Jim in Mobile Alabama. Both guys were such great sportsmen. After the match I ran into them in the bar next door. I sat around and listened to them tell stories about the different matches they had been in. At the end of the night they held up the bar and hogtied the owner.
I remember when as a child my parents talking about the ambush. My mom stated that the only one who killed Pauline was Buford. That he was not going to let her leave and take his daughter. We lived in Memphis so I do not know how she would have known that. When mom talked about it seemed that she knew a lot about them. I think she had friends that kept her informed. She talked about them before the ambushes.
Why was she going to leave? Was she seeing someone else?
Y'all think Warren Jones may have had a thing for Pauline? Buford and Warren sure didn't like each other.
I didn't realize Mr. Moore was still alive. Or was that at the time of the phone interview?
Yes, I spoke with him several times. I submitted a transcript of one fruitful conversation to the TBI.
@@bufordpusser1122 I wish somehow some of the main people were still with us.
well mike anther layer of that onion being exposed tks for letting those onions be peeled 😋😋
I dont think anything was proven or disproved by the phone interview.
What was Bufords position when he sustained the chin shot ? Was he in the car or outside the car ?
Ive seen photos that show his chin wound apparently came from his right side.
Which means he turned his head completely to his left as if looking behind him or if he was outside the car he was standing and looking toward the rear of the car.
Correct me if I'm wrong on the direction of the shot.
I think it proves the local politician manipulated the outcome of the investigation as no autopsy was performed on Pauline. Peeler and Abernathy ignored the homicide as if were were a simple speeding ticket. The question is, was this purposeful to help get Buford off?
@bufordpusser1122 I'm going to watch that video again Mike....I know you have a point there so I may have missed it completely
And we wonder why citizens dont trust law enforcement
They are no better than we the people. Look in the mirror!
Hiring standard have changed a great deal since Buford was sheriff There will always be a few bad apple that get through the screening process. When there is a bad actor, the media magnifies the attention attention on the officer(s) involved.
They are we the people, but they have a badge and a few take advantage of that. Please don't judge all police by the actions of these few.
As far as I’m concerned, there should’ve already been an autopsy done on Pauline automatically after the incident. What I want to know is is there any way to find out if Buford prevented that from happening. If that could be verified, that would shed a whole new light on everything.
@@bufordpusser1122 these days alot take advantage of the badge. Even with their own cameras on they will still take advantage
THEY DECIDE HOW ITS GOING TO GO
Regardless of the facts. SMALL TOWN RULE BACK IN THE DAY. Know alot about Tennessee and Virginia justice I'm those days
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The most telling thing I heard from this is that some of Louise Hathcock's teeth were found imbedded in the carpet. As you indicated this, in all possibilities, would not happen if shot while standing upright.
A coroner told me of a case he had in which a man died and fell face down in the carpet. It was several days until he was found. Two of his teeth were stuck in the carpet. I suppose it depends on how hard the person hit the floor.
Any hospital reports on bufords injury?i certainly believe he killed the lady at the motel and he had motive to kill his wife.i was just wondering if his wound was from a ricochet or was there residue from a self inflicted gun shot.like maybe he killed her and then was going to kill himself.my dads friends wifes people were from that area and as a child i remember her husband being interested with the pusser story.he visted the locations and we visited a museum when on vaction with them in Gatlinburg. Sadly he passed 20 years ago and i can't ask him about it.i may ask his wife about it next time she visits my parents.
Hey,Mike.
hey bigroy
Bigroy,what you doing these days? You still playing with that BIGTOY
Very interesting Buford's blood alcohol level o.18 the time of his Death in the crash 18 extremely high? He was Known to drive fast, assassination attempt? Thank you mike....
There is so much to the real story that most don't know. I'm so glad tht Francisco mentioned it as it backs what I have always said.
@@bufordpusser1122 That's a high BAC to be even driving and that's what usually happens.
0.18 was Blood Alcohol concentration.
@@R.KennethPope I'm trying to see the origina Report..l but I corrected it think your right thank you...
No, it was like that Cary Grant movie North by Northwest . Toe head White held Buford down and forced 30 12 Oz beers down his throat and he probably wrecked trying to find help. That Toehead was just all mean
So Glad You are doing The Lord's Work in bringing The Truth out and smearing Bufford Pusser. Awesome!!!!
I noticed another thing on the photo, all the blood spatter is where Bueford was setting, he did get out of the car.
👍🏻
I believe he shot either Pauline or himself, maybe both, in front of the car and left hand prints on the car's exterior when he got back in but continued to say neither got out.
Mike, I think you are pretty much right with what you are saying! I looked up to Pusser also after the movie came out! I thought he was a bad ass! I'm thinking now he was a sorry ass! I think he killed Louise and Pauline and only God knows who else! Thanks Mike for all your hard work. I know you took a lot of criticisom , but now I am seeing a lot of folks starting to see the light!
Noticed your radio in back ground, are you a HAM operator?
GMRS...We have an excellent linked repeater system here in Arkansas. I can talk all over the state over to about Oklahoma City and about 90miles up into southern Missouri...WRWW219. I take it your a Ham operator?
@@bufordpusser1122 Yes, KF4CVK, but hardly anyone on the air now days, cell phones took over
I really enjoy your shows, Thank You for your hard work! I live in Camden, TN about 1 hr and half from McNairy, I was a big fan of Buford, but always had doubts about his stories
I wish we had more from state investigators and any deviating autopsy or death car exams. Too bad this happened before the modern world fully hit McAnairy County.
Mr. Pusser was obviously being protected 12:00
What you should have said is " I tried to defend Buford but it came to me if I write a book and push it and make alot of money....it was funny when the man said it looked like it happen just like Buford said it did Ole mike went right into " rumor was they were separated " hard as Mike tried to bait him it didn't work out
Back in those days when Pauline was killed ,their wasn’t much advance on autopsy, like they are now , it’s amazing how far they’ve come on autopsies, , but I do believe Pauline died the way he said ,
This whole situation is just appalling. I started out watching mikes videos, and was very skeptical but I believe Mike is right. And he shouldn’t have been the one to have to prove this. It should have been done when Buford was alive to be held accountable.
What a disgusting human Buford was, then let his crimes be turned into a motion picture. So he could profit off of his actions.
I was so surprised that the original investigation missed so much. I think the TBI will do a far better job now than their predecessor the TBCI did with the original investigation.
Very good comment....
Waiting on the results…
Me as well
So he wasn’t attacked in the bar as the movie implied .
And the court scene where he yanked
Up his shirt and showed his wounds was fabricated .
I makes me wonder why the people voted him in as sheriff .
It seemed that the community was fed up with corruption !!
Was he actually voted in or was he appointed ,makes me wonder ???
I guess it’s all so far in the past that we will never actually know who,did what or why .
You just never know who knew what on who or who knew they knew .
Interesting but speculative at its best
Nothing can be proven at this point
From what I've read Pusser himself wasn't happy with things in the movie. That things were added.
The same Francisco who helped cover up the truth of the King of Rock-n-roll. I have no faith in the credibility of Francisco. He seems to follow someone else's orders when giving his reports. Jus' sayn'.
Mike, she fired and missed the big man Bufford because he fell on the bed she turned he fired two rounds in self-defense and then the third at the upper angle from the bed, end of story Mike, Bufford walked tall on criminals that day.
Nice try...however, you have overlooked so much information in your assumption it amazes me. If issues were as you say, why wasn't her autopsy report presented to the grand jury? Why weren't others who heard the order of the shots fired not called to testify? Why wasn't Howard Carroll compelled to testify about hearing her begging for her life prior to shots being fired? Why did Jim Moffett leave the sheriff's office for a short time after the shooting?
End of story...
Elam is a punk liar
Looking bad on bueford.
If she was shot somewhere else how did all her blood get on the door and on the middle of the seat, if your shot some where else you heart stops and there wouldn’t be blood like that in that car
That's cool that they put your name on your badge. Was that the way your agency did them or was that what they gave you upon retirement? Our deputies just get their badge # on them and they belong to the department. That would be cool if they put the name on it when they retire.
That is the manner in which the department ordered them.
@@bufordpusser1122 That is so neat.