China’s New Rifle is Worse than You Think
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In 2019 China’s People’s Liberation Army introduced their brand new primary rifle the QBZ-191. The reason they switched away from the Type-95 takes us through Xi Jinping's larger goal of modernization and completely overhauling their entire infantry philosophy.
For instance The QBZ-191 appeared just 4 months before China announced they would also start manufacturing 1.4 million body armor plates. That probably doesn’t sound like a big deal until you realize in the past PLA soldiers were never issued ballistic plates. Xi Jinping's sword just got a little sharper and his shield a little thicker.
Written & Edited by: Chris Cappy
The lightweight 6.6 lb qbz-191 fires a new version of their 5 8 by 42 mm intermediate cartridge at a rate of fire of 750 rounds per minute using a more reliable gas operated short stroke piston. Don’t get too distracted by the beautiful hardware that isn’t the real revolution here, we’ll see this is really all about the 4 new high tech attachments and changes to their fighting doctrine. But are the internet rumors that the QBZ-191 has poor performance actually true and Will Xi Jinping's overhaul of the average Chinese infantryman work? Fire a surplus round at the like and subscribe button and lets get started.
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You just combined Korean _Won_ and Chinese _Yuan_ into some made-up currency called _Yon_ or something.
you will soon have a millions subs
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With American ingenuity and civilian industry.
I'd love an American 5.8mm Sig Spear LT.
Even more handsome than Keanu Reeves
4:53 “Military spending has increased by 60% that’s more than double if my maths checks out” Average Infantryman trying to do basic math moment.
I can't tell if he was making a joke or not.
2022 - 1.45 trillion yuan (US$230 billion) and 2023 - 1.55 trillion yuan (US$224 billion). How he get the 60% increase?
@@XDSDDLord I don't think he was.
@@weixingyang898 i think he meant from 2014 to 2023
If not a joke, and I don't think it was, maybe he was confusing the application of % reductions and % increases? A 60% reduction means something is less than half the original (lets say you start with 100 it takes you to 40) but a 60% increase is only a 6 x 10th increase (100 to 160). This asymmetric way % changes affect a number is a bit confusing. Both are the same absolute changes (60) but one halves while the other doesn't double. You would need a 100% or more increase to get a doubling. For instance to go from 40 to 100 (to reverse the 60% decrease) would be a 150% increase, which would also take you from 100 to 250.
It is always amazing to me how militaries will spend so much money, while ignoring basic equipment for their infantry.
Expensive systems like aircrafts and ships are already controlled by extremely expensive personell, and the level of technology can determine if they will be war winners (like the US air force) or almost totally useless (like the Russian air force).
But what truly makes infantry "good" is much harder to improve through money. Motivation, military culture, cooperation, individual skill... Equipment can improve infantry as well (including improve their morale), but it's much lower on the list.
The US did the same thing for a long time. I was infantry starting back in 1999 and we were still using iron sights, flak vests, our SAWs were the ones with faulty rails making them as reliable as a distracted cat, and our primary antitank system was the AT-4 with some dragons from the 70's. Just before going to Iraq we finally got Javelins which proved VERY useful and we did have plenty of radios and NVG's thankfully.
When T&P said that China had two radios per a company my inner grunt screamed in horror. The lack of NVG's are bad but at least you can fight most of the time, the lack of radios affects you all the time and it is far worse than not being able to see as far.
Because it doesn't matter that much, a grunt after all is a grunt. You need better intelligence and high tech weapon systems. The US is used to fighting guerrilla warfare where if you play the guerrilla's game, which we always do, it doesn't matter what technological advantage you have.
China is in the same strategic situation as the US. Any theoretical war they could get involved in would be 80% a Navy and Air Force war. Elite well equipped infantry aren't going to change that. Militaries need infantry but the degree to which infantry matter will vary quite a bit between nations.
@jeffk464 a grunt without the ability to see, shoot, or communicate is useless. At night if I have good NVG's and my opposition doesn't I will slaughter their forces. If you don't understand why try playing paintball with a blindfold.
The lack of radios means that either the entire force needs to move in one massive lump or no one will know what is going on. Infantry needs to maneuver in small groups that can immediately adjust to new situations to be effective.
As for the rifle, in CQB there's really not much difference but the introduction of the ACOG to Afghanistan proved to be a huge force multiplier. We got so many head shots at longer ranges that our forces were initially accused of executing the Taliban grunts. The rifle and the round doesn't really matter that much, it's the accessories that matter.
Fun fact about the keyhole, I have a nice T97 (Canada) with lots of upgrades that made it a pretty sweet platform. But I was also getting keyholes from about the same range (25,-100m) as well. Left me confused that maybe the gunshmith that threaded the barrel might have damage de crown in some way. But I finally got rid of the T97 and this video finally sheds light on this keyhole topic. It's a norinco stuff I guess
China manufactures 2 billion bullets annually and exports 1 billion bullets to the United States. Could the video host ask the American infantry if using Chinese bullets would create a key-shaped bullet hole at a distance of 25 meters?
Unless the rounds were way out of spec then a rifle without flaws should shoot them straight and stabilized, but if the twist rate is wrong for the caliber, or smoothbore, they will tumble through the air, especially since spritzer bullets have the center of gravity in the rear of the bullet.
@fenneka1410 The problem wouldn't be with the round, it would be with the rifling.
@@fenneka1410 Well that's insane and reckless, we need to ban the import of ammo from hostile powers.
You can get keyholing when the weight of the bullet is too heavy for the amount of spin the rifling can induce over the barrel length. It is over come by reducing the bullet weight, having a longer barrel, or having a higher twist rate on the barrel. A barrel that's had a lot of wear or perhaps has the groves filled with gunk (needs cleaning) might also have issues with inducing enough spin.
2:44 that is a CAD file for an airsoft gun.
V3 gearbox in the middle, V2 gearbox to the right.
I look forward to replicas soon.
Facts haha didnt even notice that
I thought it looked a lot like the cmmg mutant
Bro gains 10000 social credits when he makes the vid, but then loses -7000000000000 credits after he mentions TAIWAN
Worry not. ZHONG XINA ON THE RESCUE
@@GM-xk1nw get lost, negative comments bot.
You mean Republic of China?
@@GM-xk1nw Your ass is grass since ancient times
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Mao claiming the existence of rank in a military is anti-revolutionary is the most Mao thing I've heard, and completely on brand for him.
It has been an issue in communist societies dating back to the establishment of the soviet army. The reason they ended up with political commissars was to solve a dispute between those who wanted to use ex-Russian imperial army officers to get the new force up and running quickly, and those who wanted to start from scratch with a more marxist structure. The compromise was to place commissars in the units to keep an eye on the officers and men, to make sure that they weren't doing or saying anything too counter-revolutionary.
Mao was an ignorant peasant which was a bad start for the Chinese people. He did the majority of his thinking with his little head while "hiding" from the Japanese and letting the Nationalists do ALL the fighting. He often narc'd out Natls information to the Japanese forces.
Mao, upon seeing sparrows eating grain, ordered 1 billion Chinese to kill every bird they encountered to prevent food shortages from birds eating all their grain. They did just that. Then the insect population exploded because no birds were eating them, the bugs ate all their crops, and the Chinese starved so hard that tens of millions of them died.
Mao, upon deciding China needed to prove it was relevant to the world by exporting steel, ordered 1 billion Chinese to drop what they were doing and produce steel. So they melted down every piece of metal they could get their hands on, pots, pans, farming tools, etc. and melted them down. They chopped down entire forests to fuel the furnaces, and some of the more zealous Chinese tore apart their own houses to provide more fuel for the furnaces. In the end, they produced massive quantities of worthless pig iron, and now they had nothing to cook in, no tools to work with, and other issues.
Basically, just about every brilliant idea Mao came up with was devastatingly stupid. And that doesn't get into rumors about his lavish lifestyle while tens of millions of Chinese starved to death, or having entire troupes of underage girls perform Chinese opera and ballet for him in the nude.
*Our* knifehand
And then the PLA found out it doesn't work, so they went back with ranks.
8:19 Haha, thanks for this MGS3 reference! That cutscene always bothered me for _that_ reason.
This Is Type 19 From Codm game
i think it looks very nice, and i’m interested by the caliber since i haven’t heard about it
9:03 The US army had a very similar "no rank" structure right after the US Revolution, where officers of militia units were elected by the unit members. While there was technically a "rank" difference, the elected nature of the position meant US military discipline was lacking until the institution of a proper officer corps.
Cappy's comment about that and the Vietnam war was a revelation. Whilst I'm sure that the PLA will be noting the failure of Russia's lack of an NCO structure, I think they are wedded by ideology to maintaining a political commissar structure to the detriment of sound decision making.
@@farhorizons3901 Worse, the Chinese military structure punishes innovation and improvisation, while the U.S. military structure usually rewards it....but only sometimes. We saw limitations in Afghanistan with the U.S. military at war within itself. Read the book "American Spartan" . That account of a Special Forces Major (Jim Gant) is typical also of Human Terrain Systems civilians working for DoD and attached to SF units in Afghanistan. The gung-ho trigger pullers often destroyed MONTHS of painstaking "hearts and minds" work that had won over Taliban leaders.
The U.S. military leadership, NOT politicians lost the war in Afghanistan because like the American civilian population you have a sharp divide between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives are the dominant political ideology in the military. Their idea of hearts and minds campaigns was a 5.56mm double tap to the heart and the brain.
@@wigonits probably the opposite now lmao. The Chiefs are warning about the outcomes of war against bigger adversaries while Congress is constantly escalating global conflicts.
@@wigon you lied bud
Source on lacking discipline?
The 3D-model at 2:44 is that of an airsoft gun. The loose part is the gearbox, the part in the middle is a gearbox with the handle attached, much like most M4 airsoft replicas do. So they'll probably release an airsoft model of it :)
Yes, thats a airsoft
Good eye, I didnt catch it but I diid think it was weeird the PLA manufacturer was releasing animated internals for a new domestic military weapon. Good post.
yes. thats a V2 gearbox.
youre doing gods work bro
A prototype has already been shown
Great video! I love how you added the clip of Big Boss.
I've seen the blueprints for the rifle and there's a lot of clever features. My favorite feature is that it has numerous gas ports in the barrel at differing distances. This means the gas regulator allows you to select not only for energy when changing position, but dwell time too. People who design something this clever aren't going to make a barrel that keyholes.
China bot?
@@aelitastones3110 No, look at the diagrams. Norinco has been making arms and exporting them for ever and are nothing like cheap goods you get at walmart.
@@aelitastones3110 From what I have gathered from other commenters there are 2 primary reason these propoganda rifles could be keyholing. 1) rubber bullets during training, prevents accidents or 2) these are training rifles and not the actual equipment. Even the us has training rifles that keyhole because they don't change out worn out barrels. Why they would put that in the propo video, well, no one said the media was smart. Even US media doesn't know the first thing about firearms, why would the CCP media.
@@aelitastones3110CIA bot?
Sorry, I disagree. I own several norinco SKS's, but I see no reason to switch from the proven 7.62x39 nor 5.45x39. I'd further add that multiple gas regulators is quite a terrible idea unless you plan to put silencers on the rifle in which case you'd only need 2. I don't see the keyhole to be a problem, they probably used rubber/simunition ammo instead of regular ammo in a shoot house to avoid ricochets. Rubber or more likely simunition rounds probably don't grab onto the grove of the rifling as well causing it to keyhole. On the bright side of the new rifle is that china will offload their old SKS/AK rifles to other countries, in which case there will be a surplus of new rifles in the US markets.
1:20 Cappy Wick is truly the special John Wick we didnt deserve, but needed
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@@indiasuperclean6969 based comment
more like "special needs" ;)
I'm just glad the dog lived this time... I don't think i could have handled that again.
If some QBZ-191s make their way to the US, I seriously hope Ian McCollum and Brandon Herrera get their hands on one for review purposes, and Garand Thumb for review and entertaining LARP purposes.
Which will, IMO, only be half of the story...even _IF_ the export version is in the 'issue' caliber, good luck on getting ammo.
Odds are that the export model will be in 5.56mm NATO, which means you'll be just guessing when it comes to range & accuracy with the PLA ammo.
i doubt that cause last i checked we got a import ban on all Chinese firearms
@@justinbiller6683not all, we still get some Chinese made shotguns being imported into the US. We just have a specific ban on Norinco
Herrera could just reverse-engineer the qbz-191 and recreate it, I mean he has the resources.
Even the Canadian import of type-95 (type-97 in 5.56) doesn’t have the PLA issued 5.8 so it will be hard to really know the real performance of the cartridge.
Bro can I just say that I really appreciate the effort that goes into these GOAT gun ads haha. Literally never skip them
"This is best that is not" but as long as it shoots bullet i think it would do the job.
I think what wasn't mentioned about the 800m range is that the variant of the QBZ-191 that could hit that distance is the DMR version, with more power and reinforced barrel, instead of the conventional rifle version
And China has 5.8mm sniper rifle and special precision round. It means special units DMR can reach over 800m.
800 meters is nothing. You can do that with a rack grade ar15 with a good optic and 77gr round. Every modern "assault rifle" is capable of this the bottleneck is the soldier and the optic
@@rodiculous9464 lol, I never once saw an "ar15" at any time during my service. Quit talking out your arse 👍
@@rodiculous9464 I mean yes but that also doesn't mean anything, the barrel twist rate and overall design choices for the AR-15 were centered around accuracy. Military assault rifles have to be able to penetrate body armour and because of that are usually less accurate than a civilian or hunting rifle.
That being said I wouldn't take their word for accuracy statistics on an unproven secretive new rifle.
AR - 15 >*
When you guys hear of the word AR - 15, what do it mostly associated with?
The reason for those bullets to be key-holing at such short distances is because they were training in a shoot-house with no proper backstop behind the targets, and concrete walls, so they switched their ammo from the usual metallic projectiles to riot-control rubber bullets to avoid ricochets. Since those bullets don't engage the rifling properly, they're only useful at short distances, because they keyhole badly.
It's weird people are still parroting the idea that this was a rifle issue rather than an ammunition issue. I'm by no means pro-China but like, seriously dude, at least be truthful when you're hating on the PLA.
Rubber rounds are not shaped the same, or this cope might be believable.
@@nobodynoone2500I don't think you realized, but you just proved the point of the OP.
@@im_flatNORINCO has been producing pretty decent firearms for decades. They can definitely make a gun shoot straight
@@desserted5446 Chinese small arms are generally really fucking good, yeah. Friend has a Norinco SKS. Still jealous.
you dont understand. what matter is the people who use it not weapon itself.
11:01 totally won't be used by the enemy to detect troop movements or anything. Just use your phone to search if there are any chinese wifi hotspots nearby
Jesus Christ the acting on Cappy is impeccable. I would watch a whole season of that.
Don’t use the lords name in vain 💯
@@georgehilario3544 Jesus!
@@georgehilario3544 flying spaghetti monster is lord
Jesus fence-hopping Christ 🙄
Suck him up already 🙄
8:57 The key holing issue could also be them using extremely old blown out barrels for CQB training rather than burning up new ones. I shot a m4 in Las Vegas that was doing the exact same thing at under 25 yards due to the amount of sustained full auto on the same barrel.
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That’s fair. Why bother wasting a new barrel during short range marksmanship.
But why would they use it in a propaganda film? I've shot some worn-out shit, never had visible tumbling on paper.
@@johneato That's what I'm saying, I was using an M16 that was probably older than I was in Bootcamp and that thing was almost laser accurate once sited in. Seems like an excuse the CCP is putting out to mask the fact they're using cheaply made weapon systems that wont be effective against armored adversaries.
Extremely old barrels on a new gun? Are they using the same barrel as the old ones?
According to the information I got
1. The reason why PLA has not equipped a large number of body armor and Kevlar helmets for a long time is that the inventory status is shorter than the shelf life of steel, which is related to the low threat of large-scale war in the United States.
2. The biggest improvement in replacing old rifles with new rifles is the abandonment of bullpup rifles and replaceable parts, making them more versatile and precise.
3. In the past, the PLA did not have a military rank system, but the soldier committee could directly participate in the discussion of tactical plans and military democracy. I do not think the abolition of the military rank system was a failure, nor was it a failure in Vietnam. Some units in Vietnam performed poorly precisely because they did not adhere to military democracy.
4. "Southern Weekend" can be seen as the CIA's agent in China. It is a right-wing newspaper, and every editor and reporter is an American spy.
As former infantryman myself, I'd rifle looks pretty good. At least workable. It seems handy to shoulder, accurate enough to work. The magazine release would be weird for me, but I've never been a big AK fan. But for some training on it, it would probably work, and only be slightly slower than the push button things like the M4 use. All that being said, the PRC is figuring things out. A country making big warships to show the flag isn't necessarily a dangerous omen, however, when a nation suddenly dumps money into infantry, it means something else entirely. the PRC / PLA has been expanding their marines, changing their order of battle, etc. Here's what I would look for. I'd look for paint maker on the rifles, because when they figure that one out it means something. Just dumping new rifles into a unit is cool, whatever, but when each rifle is "Owned" by a specific soldier, that's when you can see how serious they are. Anyway, rifle looks cool, I'd love to shoot one.
You'll probably get the chance. Just take it off one of the dead pla during their invasion
Totally agree! With Chinese production capacities it won't take long to produce rifles, Kevlarwests etc, that's probably the last step. Inventing, producing and implementing complex military equipment takes years while switching rifles is nothing fundamental.
It'll also be scary if they figure out how to use an NCO corps and mission command
@jasonwrner I live in China. China has no foundation for conquering Taiwan for the time being. These media on CZcams are all headline-grabbers.
@@jasonwrnercan American troops afford to do that when they are carrying their handbags and putting on their make up?
Crazy how a mid tier ar15 w/ attachments costs more than the entire issued gear of a Chinese soldier😂
Granted that image has existed for almost a decade so there’s inflation, but yeah, not a good look and really emphasizes their older quantity over quality approach. I do find it interesting that the image used seems to depict some sort of body armor system (tho it’s most likely just a flak vest)
Weapons are always made domestically so the cost of manufacturing boils down to resources and labor. Few kg of steel cost effectively nothing and labor is 10x cheaper in China. So in the end, the ammound of man-hours needed to make equipment for one PLA soldier is comparable to US situation
@@alexmin4752 even at the rates of china they are very under equipped they were the last people to get anything new air force rocket force and navy alway was first then even in the army the tanks and other vechiles/heavy equipment got first pick. Fact of the matter is china is a government and military of political power they aren’t run by general who are there for skilled they are their for their ability to politic. As such they have over emphasized their ability on a global stage, it’s similar to what the soviets did they would show of a few wonder weapons tell the west this was standard kit for soldiers the west believes it and made even better weapons standard kit.
I believe the US Military pays less than $500 for an M4A1. Add an ACOG and a PEQ15, and you're pushing $3000.
Combine that with a $3000 PVS 14 and a plate carrier with 2 plates and a helmet , and a basic infantryman is already up to $8000, before any other additional equipment.
Of course, that gives him abilities leaps ahead of any non western army.
@@theimmortal4718 yup. And don't forget the side plates, and IFAK
I really like videos like this that discuss infantryman equipment like this or Future Warrior, especially that you point out accessories. 👍
EOP instead of MOA is one hell of a difference in system but dude you described it perfectly
"China's defence spending has skyrocketed by 60%. That is more than double if my maths check out"
Your maths do not check out LMAO
If there was an Oscar for best CZcams commercial, you my friend would have just won it 👍
That's the first commercial since the dawn of CZcams that I haven't skipped through. Goat Guns should up your fee
The only other ads I watch are ones from Ryan George. It's basically an extra 2 min sketch at the end
Luck him up already 🙄
The one issue that you would have to worry about for mass producing this new rifle is loose tolerances which can lead to a lot of heartache for regular grunts when they get the bad draw when handed their issued rifle. The keyholing could just be a production issue of early variants that could be fixed but China is a different beast and comparing western approaches to problem solving to China is like getting a fish to climb a tree. We have already witnessed a similar issue with Russia, with the west quietly being nervous and falling for the propaganda, expecting Russian soldiers equipped with decked out AK-12's while covering a T-14 Armata.
The real problem with cutting through the grease of propaganda when it comes to small arms is that the proof is in the pudding when only you can actually view a complete strip down of the rifle and get into the guts of the weapon so it is very hard to confirm or deny if the weapon lives up to expectations. Norinco has improved over the last twenty years but that reputation boost is reliant on the consumer market, not really the military market since China has not been in any proper wars to field test Norinco's goodies. It would be like taking the glowing review of a Canadian hunter with his Norinco rifle being applied to a peer-to-peer battle. Apples and oranges. Love the vids Cappy
Still a billion Chinese
They could use sticks and still win by weight of numbers
The keyholing issue was a result of usinf rubber bullets,its debunked by channel called "cabbage"
This is true, but you should remember that Russia and China are *very* different countries and cultures. As much as we rag on China for being cheap, the fact is that quality assurance is impossible to maintain when managing production on the scale China handles things. A majority of Chinese products are actually extremely reliable, but our brains only recognize and blame Chinese cheapness when we see something fail or a localized dip in quality. For example, there were several modern infrastructure projects recently that were almost all successful with no issue in China, however one key province's construction workers failed to apply mix correctly and thus we saw crumbling roads seemingly made out of 'chalk'.
This is the same for almost everything. And a key reason why China makes such boisterous and high-tech designs stolen from reliable sources like the U.S. because even if 25% of your new stealth jets are poorly made, you still made enough so that the other 75% are going to be good. This is the opposite for what Russia has done and continues to do which is rely on pride and stubbornness in seemingly ever aspect of their society even down to production. When a Russian factory fails to meet quotas, instead of expanding the amount of factories or workers, Russian politicians and officers will simply say "Well then just make it work!" and as a result either the factory comes up with a cheap way to get the quota done (even if things come out crappy and rushed) or they just fail outright.
To really get a sense of what I'm talking about here, look at the production of the MiG-9. It was literally designed to show power projection post WW2 and even though it was designed to barely be flyable or even fire its crappy engine-mounted guns (yep, right through the engine), factory workers were simply given quotas and had to practically make most of them out of wood. Similarly look up Russian fire-and-forget missiles, they still don't work and are sold everywhere because Ivan can't imagine a world where just motivation alone won't carry him to the finish line.
@@tomhenry897 history disproves that, with the ammount of times they got clowned on by foreign armies.
@@tomhenry897 in that billion there's millions that would go against ccp.
Your GoatGun Commercial is hilarious and I'll never buy one but still great!
I truly love this officers de-esculation skills and cool calm voice. Very professional. 🎉👍🏾
Yeah because it’s that or getting shot
Cappy that sponsored segment was a work of art.
P.S grats on the 1Mil
I visited Nepal back in March and was able to tour their largest hydroelectric power plant. The guards at the powerplant had this rifle. It was the smaller carbine version, with no optic or forward grip. I assume that must have been the export version.
Damnn bro welcome
China does not export this rifle yet
You probably saw the QBZ-03 which is identical to it and originally based off that variant.
After following you for years, i've learned how you decide your video title. For US and its allies "something is better than you know" and enemy of US and its allies "something is worst than you think".
glad im not the only one thinking of that, and the top comments usually went like "unbiased opinion" "wow accurate details". Simple explanation is he gets paid to do these
why is Quality > Quantity “worse than you think?”
isn’t this click bait?
Yes, but it's informative so I'll tolerate it.
During PLA's no ranking period, it is very interesting that the only way to tell between an officer and soldier is the number of pockets on their uniforms. Officers have 4 pockets, and soldiers only have 2 with no lower pockets.
So they still had ranks when they were gaining nukes, rockets, and hundreds of millions of people under Mao despite what the "official experts" say about the country to this day.
If you didn't have ranks, why did they have officers???
@@benholroyd5221 because they still need someone to lead the rest of the soldier. It quite similar to the early US approach after the revolutionary war.
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The Chinese 5.8 round is not terrible. It would be easiest compared to a 77gr 5.56 loaded super hot through an 18" barrel. It doesn't like short barrels though and oddly enough, benefits very little over 20" with the dats that I saw. In the comparison that I read, It beats both the 5.56 & 5.45 in muzzle velocity and energy in medium length or approx 16-18" barrels. I didn't see anything on twist etc, so take everything with a grain of salt.
You like to LARP much? A 16"-18" barrel is medium length? LOL You a Chicom Shill?
Not even super hot to be honest. Their 77gr offering, DBP88, is about 100fps faster than mk262. I load 77s hotter that matter (SW Match doesn't create pressure issues).
I use 77s almost exclusively, but I don't quite understand why the Chinese use a steel core since they aren't effective against modern body armor, make the bullet longer and more difficult to stabilize which may be why there were keyhole targets and generally degrades accuracy since the penetrator adds complexity to the design.
@@no-sway3709 it increases the effective range by increasing the ballistic coefficient while not increasing the weight of the round. Same reason we use the M855
It lets massed fire be more effective at range because the round stays lethal and not being able to hit anything doesn't matter when it's a hundred guys firing full auto at the general area, someone will hit something.
@SilverStar Heggisist a 77gr SMK is far more effective than the ss109 if BC is the concern. Furthermore, a longer bullet means less usable case capacity which leaves velocity on the table.
Zero precision shooters use steel core bullets and none of the new military rounds use them, so there's a snowflake's chance in hell that they overlooked the supposed BC benefit.
The SS109 was designed to defeat soft body armor and that's pretty much it. There's no longer a purpose as anyone with armor is rocking plates.
@@no-sway3709 the M855 wasn't made for precision shooters. It was made specifically for the M249 SAW to push it's effective range out. On a machine gun designed to plaster a area with bullets, precision isn't a concern. But effect at range is.
The M855 isn't designed to out do the 77 grain. It's designed to have a bit better BC then a M193 55 grain.
The Chinese likely are mixing a number of different stats together making it seem like they've one super bullet, when instead they're quoting the best stats from each type.
I wouldn't be surprised if their accuracy stats are from a FMJBT and their range stats are from the steel core. Because it's china.
Damn dude I was an infantryman 13 years ago and we had m68 red dots/ Acogs, paq15 lasers, Surefire flashlights, night vision.
The rear button on the foregrip is to deploy the integrated bipod
Mounting com controls onto the forward grip (or anywhere on the weapon) sounds absolutely awful. You need to basically pair a gun to a radio/helmet and every time you perform a maintenance or an inventory check you risk mismatching them. In addition, you will have to constantly check whether your gun is paired with your coms, which adds precious time to your combat-ready state. Imagine your base gets attacked and you realize you can't sound an alarm or call for backup, because you grabbed the wrong gun off the rack.
1,000% agree.
Pff. You act (or wish) like they would need to have all their coms on their guns just because they can press some buttons faster than you in this age of interconnectivity. You could grab the wrong radio or helmet in your base attack scenario.
@@tritium1998 what do you mean by "wrong radio"?
@@Psykomancer The "wrong radio" in your bs assumption that it has to be paired with something else which you're now confused about.
@@tritium1998 I'm confused because you're not making sense. There is no such thing as "wrong radio", you always identify yourself if you're using com channels (which is what you'd be doing in an emergency situation). If you're using wireless controls, they have to be paired to your device, this isn't some fantasy scenario, it is how wireless tech works. Even with your edits, your comment is still nonsensical, so please take some time to think about it next time.
Correction: If they named something Type 20, it means the year it was certified for service. For example, Type 56 (Chinese AK-47) was certified in 1956, and Type 95 was certified in 1995.
So why 191?
@@lostaudio 2191, cmon its obvious
@@ennassingletooth359 silly me!
@@lostaudio 2019-1
@@lostaudio its a new naming scheme... 19 for year and the number that follows denotes a variant. e.g. 192 is the short barrel version.
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The key hole issue can happen if the bullet weight and geometry are not factored in to the rifles rate of twist. A bullet may fly stable from a one in nine twist platform but tumble from say a one in seven. I obviously have no idea what bullet weights and twist rates the rifles have but these issues have caused more than one western rifle to have similar issues.
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"...skyrocketed by 60%, that's more than double". Big oof.
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FYI, tumbeling projectiles could be intentional. There is practice ammo for small shooting ranges with ridges that ruin aerodynamics, causing the bullets to tumble and fall within short range. Stops it from flying past the range and into urban areas.
Yes, evidence is, if it is tumbling, the hitting shaps will not be always the same position.
This is China's supersonic wind tunnel research result.
Since hollowpoint bullet is forbidden, stopping power can only be achieved via this bullet technology.
He mentioned that, and said he personally thinks that way as well
It's ricochet / bounce. There are normal entry holes as well.
Wow could of sworn I just heard him say that!
@@meanmarine24you can tell which way a bullet went through paper pretty easily
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Hi cappy, you mentioned that the bullet tumble scene, there are key factors to address here:
1st : Maybe the rifling is not properly designed, which not enough spin will cause the bullet to tumble.
2nd: The gunpowder used in training is lesser, causing the bullet travel from supersonic to subsonic causes tumbling. Which I think, the less gunpowder they used to reduce training costs (but minimal effect)?
Actually none it's plastic rounds
Not reduce the training cost. Hiding the real data of the weapons on TV is traditionally in PLA. Even all the troops No, name and detailed info will be hided even on the TV. Chinese military manufacting system is quite different than the USA or other countries. So they usually don't "show off" a lot on TV. A lot of Chinese military fans hate this a lot. LOL
+60% ain't double that x1.6
The key holing in a lot of the training videos is mainly due to the fact that they use rubber ammo for training. This was stated by a CZcams channel that is ran a current Chinese swat team member. I could find the channel but I can’t remember the name. You used some of his footage in the intro.
Which channel?
@@awwee34 aniermos vu
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Judging by the bullet holes in the paper at 1:07, they do not shoot stable projectile.
The abolition of rank in the PLA had no effect on their organizational structure or fighting ability in Vietnam. They still had the exact same ranks and organizational structure but the ranks had numbers instead of names and they didn't come with special insignia. The traditional rank system was reinstated so more people would feel a sense of pride and stay in the military as a long term career. It had nothing to do with China's loss in Vietnam and came a full ten years later.
It's like the AR platform and AK platform had a baby, that keyholes.
It's basically an updated AR-18 with an AK-style rock-'n'-lock mag.
The only thing ak about it is the outside silhouette and the bolt. It has a ar15 buffer tube system and a short stroke piston
The PLA is a huge army. It takes a long time and a lot of money to change standard equipment. Look at how long it took the US Army to change to the M-9 pistol and now the M-17/18?
Which was a big waste of money
@@BaconSlayer69 Eh, now that they aren't being treated as a complete afterthought, having a modern, modular pistol makes sense.
Especially because the new rifle doesn't look especially fun to use indoors
And there's little incentive in huge rearmament programme, until gear and doctrine are ready.
@Harambe the berettas in service were pretty abused and it was time for new pistol considerations. The sigs are optic ready and relatively cheap. Personally, I've shot both and hate the Beretta, but there will be plenty that disagree with me.
Missteps with the qbzs used in HK handover. Slows effectiveness
Interesting looking platform, but still rock & lock? The optic looks interesting too, but the rubber on the end suggests a small eye box? Interested in the new round they're using. Seems like they're halfway there.
I think that there still using rock and lock because a lot of soldiers are use to it.
Only way we ll know for sure is to get ahold of some and test them out. That's how we will find out of they are good or not
OK, the reason that PLA was not widely equipped with ballistic plates is that the ballistic plates and vests have an expiration date because of the kevlar and other ballistic materials. The plates and vests are only distributed to front-line soldiers who currently have military missions like border control, United Nations peacekeeping force, special ops, and armed police (different from SWAT and normal police). This is the most cost-effective way of utilizing the equipment.
a military shouldn’t be using soft plates anyways, because most soft plates are terrible against rifles and the ones that do stop rifles have awful back deformation.
if they’re still using kevlar instead of steel or ceramic, that is NOT a good thing
@@subatomic_sam511They are using hard plates but like the Russians they have a Kevlar backer instead of PE.
@@yws2890I thought Russians were using cloth
"total lack of body armor in Russian Army" - at the start of the war there were videos of 1 Russian soldiers that had cardboard instead of body armor. The rest of the soldiers in that captured group (4-5) were not shown. So they had body armors.
Since then no other video like that emerged. Up to 500 soldiers captured, no cardboard shown ever again.
Yeah, this is an reliable channel, just like like CNN
Plates don't expire... so?
Your analysis is always well thought out and compelling
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The SIG Spear is the response to China’s body armor and rifle
God willing....
Overmatch I hope.
@@justiron2999 ballistics wise, I think you are right
Vic Diaz. I don't think the sig spear will ever be used by the US military against the Chinese. Maybe the sig spear will be sold to the Taiwan government but that's it. Lmao
@@anthonykrauss7281 most likely the Taiwan government will be using the SIG spear against the Chinese military. There's no chance America will fight the Chinese. Do you want to debate why? I'm looking to debate with someone smart. I'm kinda bored right now.
If you fire off that surplus Norinco round make sure you clean your gun after cause more than likely it used a corrosive primer.
It definitely would be corrosive, unless otherwise stated.
remember when USA banned norinco from import because they were making copies of weapons that were just as good as the original but half the price?
Thats long time ago. Zhongguo back in business again!
4:56 no. +60% doesn't equal double. +100% mean double
I suspect the keyholes in the targets was a result of the ammo being used. It looked like indoor/shoot house training. Maybe they were firing different rounds.
no, I am chinese ,and heard before, shoot mode matter maybe. pull trigger for 1 time ,has 3 mode, single bullet,,,, 2 bullets, unlimited bullets.. I think that's 2 or 3 bullets in a row then get that hole
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And to task&purpose as whole
“Makes use of light gathering technology” ah, like the ACOG we started using in 1993… or the Singlepoints used during the Son Tay raid in 1970.
Damn that video of the paper targets is very telling even someone without any knowledge about weapons will probably put 2 and 2 together and think the bullet is likely tumbling and damn at such close range just thing how much energy that round would lose at any distance 100+ metres. I do believe it could be a training round and thus proper ammo would have better performance so I totally agree that makes sense.
4:21 who else would love to see modern armies adopting capes/coats for their soldiers?
Does the US Army not issue ponchos anymore?
Just you
@@sierrakilo4322 😢
@@doktertjiftjaf5186 Edna’s rule. No capes
@@sierrakilo4322 *especially* for paratroopers!
Since no country is likely to invade China in a ground war, China has no need to equip ALL of their soldiers well, nor to provide first rate training for ALL of their soldiers. They just need to properly equip and train enough of their soldiers for an expeditionary force. For example, their potential invasion of Taiwan might involve, at most, about 200,000 soldiers. Their adventures in African countries involve a few 10s of thousands of soldiers. Their PLAN soldiers (marines) serving on their island bases and on ships will probably have a higher priority in receiving the best equipment and training.
Don't think they would declare war or invade anyone to be honest. They just rely on their foreign investments both inward and outward way too much. I mean they're already buying up loads of properties in the west coast that the US government is thinking about banning property sales to Chinese investors.
Don't forget their takeover of South America
Even with body armour 200k soldiers would be wiped out by pre sighted Taiwanese artillery/ mortars on landing.
The nation of Taiwan has had a lot of time to prepare and has far better kit than ukraine had at the start of the war
@@Mwwwwwwwwe I think they will blitz kreig the island to oblivion before anyone lands.
@Sumba they could try...but no doubt the us has supplied taiwan with patriots/thaads/ cwiz.. ect so they would need to launch everything they got simultaneously to overwhelm Taiwanese AA
...also the US would intervene ...china knows they are done if they fight the US
More likely whenever taiwan crosses ANOTHER CCP 'red line ' china will punnish them by shooting missiles into Taiwan's seas🤦♂️
China is cutting its infantry for AI. They are currently building a robot army.
as long as the bullets go forward...
"And Russia's program RATNIK"
*Proceeds to show some comrade spraying and praying with ancient gear*
Yup that's future soldier alright
That tickled me
Who are those guys? If those vests are not body armor, I think 1980s Soviet soldier and Chinese commandos fighting in Vietnam might had better equipment than them, at least they both had steel helmet and the Soviets would had body armor.
Also wifi emitting scopes sounds like a terrible idea.
agreed. that shit is going to be so easy to exploit. triangulate positions, mess with their aiming, hide heat signatures, drain the batterys on the sights. if it has a mic listen in on conversations.
American won't admit that other nations make any good thing especially when it comes to military equipments 😂
I actually think the new rifle is a huge step back in the PLAs arsenal and actually a really shocking development. I never understood the Type 95 for such a long time until I started really looking into the structure and method of the PLAs doctrine on how to conduct war. Oddly enough its very similar, albiet different methods, to USMCs use of shock and awe. PLA ground forces relies heavily on infantry movement and overwhelming numbers - APCs and rapidly setting up FOBs. The entire point of the Type 95 was designed specifically fit their method of warfare. A rifle that was designed specifically to be cheap, good enough, and fit the criteria of compactness and ergonomics to allow each and every infantry unit to fit comfortably into APCs and immediately get to work constructing and fortifying positions and performing necessary tasks to establish supply lines and keep the spearhead moving. All of this while being kitted and armed at all times to allow for labor, defense, and reinforcing assault within literal moments of receiving intel. In the USMC every marine is a rifleman but in then in the PLA every soldier is an engineer, which is actually quite the threat. But this ...this doesnt fit in annnny of it. Im surpised they didnt stick with the mold and rehaul the Type 95 to be something like the Croatian VHS-2 with the parameters to fit their newly proposed advanced intel system. This screams high brass meddling to me and somewhere in the PLA or Norinco theres an engineer head in hand, chainsmoking cigarettes, while reading through reports and requests at this bullshit he tried to warn higher-ups about.
This Is Type 19 From Codm
3:55 when the soldier shoots his lmg so close to the dudes head 💀
No worries, they turned FF off for this.
gYAT
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4:57 Going up 60% is not double, double is going up another 100%. Going up 60% means you're now at 160% of original.
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Just realized that their grips have a PTT button which might mean each soldier is now also receiving comms and is able to talk without taking a hand off the weapon
That's actually incredibly smart
@@comradesillyotter1537 Probably not smart at all- They'll train around it and rely on it but in the field it will break right away and almost no one will be able to ever reliably use it.
@Drunkduck probably?? Ya see the enemy is very stupid cuz they'll /probably/ never train without it. Probably
Just because you have a PTT doesn't mean you have a radio.
If you work with comms in the military you'll see why this is a terrible idea. You'll get kiddos completely unable to process what's in front of them while holding down the PTT button. You don't want your average 19 year old having a PTT, especially not a squad of them with it at their finger tips. Plus, I really doubt this will be reliable, it's just going to be another battery operated thing to go wrong when it's cold and rainy. I think every average infantrymen would much rather have a workable weapon mounted flashlight, which I didn't see mounted on all of these rifles.
With a larger case capacity and the potential for better ballistic coefficient id say chinas 5.8 rifle likely is more effective than the standard 62 grn 556 xm855a1
Now thats just in theory. Depending on powder and the bullet design it may not live up to its claims but theres a reason the military has experimented with 6mm arc and other larger cartridges… 556 is pretty anemic from 14.5 barrels out past 400 yards
against body armor yes but not the role it played in the middle east the past couple decades
@@raiderscreed8999 That role was destabilizing the middle east so millions of Islamic migrants would flood christian countries... I'd say it did the job 100%
chinese have some issues with the propellant used in 5.8mm cartridges so they usually requires longer barrial length to be effective and might not perform well in terms of the ballistic coefficient. however, pretty much all chinese sources cited the great penetration and high KE on standard 64gr rounds that far exceeds m855a1, not to mention the heavier 77gr
That's why we are going away from the 556mm and to the 6.8mm
US Soldier: $17500
China CCP: $16300
Chinese Soldier: $1200
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If China was designing WITHOUT digital design tools (CAD and simulation) I'd be very surprised. Its been common practice for decades.
Finally someone found something wrong with this video, if Chinese stupid to t designing WITHOUT CAD , then why develop into the worst enemy of the United States, I even saw the colorless video quoted in the video, bro, now 2023, a country that can launch a space station is not so stupid
I can’t wait to see an average Chinese soldier putting on all the gear plus armor.
To be fair in a future peer conflict ballistic plates will be pretty much useless anyway both sides will be carrying armor defeating ammo so at this point it’s gone full circle you might as well just run a really light chest rig and hope for the best
They did abolish rank but they didn't abolish postion, they are simply referred to by their poation rather than be called by their rank. for examples, instead of sergent, lieutenant, major, etc they are called 队长 squad leader, 排长 platoon leader, 连长 company leader, 营长 battalion leader, they introduced rank name in the pla but today i think its still very common to simply use the title of postion rathet than rank.
My big question would be how do they train for marksmanship. It does not take too long to train a person to be accurate enough to turn enemy soldiers into casualties at 100-300 meters, about a 7 MOA shooter for 300 meters, iirc. But after 400-500 meters, reaching out and hitting targets requires more practice, more correcting for windage, ballistics, etc., and sometimes different techniques. Shooting for CQB also requires different techniques to do well. How do the Chinese train and how well?
Based on those drills by the orange barriers, they are copying western cqb drills and have had a reasonable standing army of some kind for atleast 70 years, the question isn't of marksman training but basic squad level discipline and cohesion under combat conditions and long term logistics support, things they have historically suffered from.
Functioning as a unit, whether a squad, platoon, company, regiment or larger is a whole different question. That requires building loyalty and discipline at each level, that goes both up and down the chain of command. Logistics? Part of that equation, but logistics is a whole other science, nevermind equation. An army moves and fights on its stomach, but as I am sure most are aware not only does the equipment and supply need to get to where it needs to be on time, but the soldier in the field needs to have some belief that the army is trying to get him what he needs and wants, and is likely to get him at least enough for him to fight well. The soldier does not feel that loyalty, is he going to be willing to fight, or does he just feel like cannon fodder?
But, the other thing you touch on in your response, thinking. Who is doing the thinking, and who is following that thinking? The ideas need to also move up and down the chain, the decisions need to be followed enough, but not always to the letter. How much? Depends. A good man leading a smaller unit should get the ability to use his own judgment more, but you need to build that into the organization and the people. Again, a whole other science that you touch upon.
Your response opened not a can of worms, but cases worth of different kinds of worms.
The PLA is accustomed to using drones, sniper grenade guns, and vehicle-mounted mortars to deal with long-range opponents.
I remembered seeing footage of their soldiers firing w the scope ...had to keep their head way back to avoid getting punched in the eye. Hope they could still see through it w the bullpup design.
5:00 50% increase is not doubling. A 100% increase is doubling.
4:58 Not double. Double would be an increase of 100%
Keep in mind that China releases videos of their stuff several years after they already started deploying it, only this year we started seeing closeups of the liaoning, the J20b with the WS15 already has images out there being tested yet they haven't formally introduced it even though there's reports it's already being produced
that means the rifle is probably already more widespread than what they make it seem
@@theguy8412 not true.. the QBZ95 was not issued to all chainese troop, even tho its been used for decades.... same for this qbz 191, only goes to elite front line troops.. chaina is always a 跟屁虫 , always a follower of the greatest military on earth, praying they'll be second best ahead of the rest...
Considering historical example, very unlikely. How long has Russia promote T-14 Armata and how much has it seen in combat?
Promotion ans propaganda doesn't translate to reality
@@evankurniawan1311 Russia and China have polar opposite doctrines and resources... you can't really compare them.
@@jchantw modern Chinese military can only be counted since about 2005-2010, the big buildup has been happening since then, just now that they are starting to catch up in most fields are they dedicating more resources towards troops, just because back in the day with a smaller economy, less risk of war and when they were technologically behind they couldn't do it doesn't mean they can't right now.
Ranks issue - same happened in Soviet Union, officers were fired and disallowed because "officers are imperialist" (that was major slogan of Lenin era), and had a large protest among soldiers when Stalin introduced officership back in ~1942
If that's true then why was zhukov given permission to take command to fight the kwangtang japanese in 1938 onwards?
@@jason200912 they had political commissars and what not, they still had higher leadership otherwise who would command any army?
Jim halpert upgraded his career.