Can the Indian Military Upgrades Counter China?
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- Can the Indian Military Future Infantry Soldier as a System upgrade their weapons and tactics before it's too late to deter a potential conflict with Pakistan and China at their border? Boy I hope so! In this video we examine the open source intelligence information available about the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force and their attempt to start some combined operations synergy.
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Thanks for watching I really went down a rabbit hole on this one! Indian military is fascinating.
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CORRECTION: Misspoke it's Sino-India war*
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@UCbjUntXL2guMG46dl-xhzjg In his times its more human rights and more defense spending. Jai shreeram.
Today is indian army day sir
Do you think it's possible they are using 7.62 on the basis that the higher power cartridge is more likely to cycle reliably in cold weather than 556? Not sure if that's at all possible or realistic, just a theory as to why they're favouring the 203
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Was eagerly waiting for it
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The reason they made a no firearms at the border rule is specifically to prevent drastic escalation. Some soldiers died in a fist fight on the border vs some soldiers died in a fire fight on the border. The consequences of both are drastically different.
Does china also have this "no firearms" rule as well in the border?
@@haninditabudhi6574 yes it is mutual
@@haninditabudhi6574 It was an agreement between both countries.
@@haninditabudhi6574 Yes. China and India know that both their countries are highly volatile and would escalate to nuclear in no time if given the chance. The no guns rule is made so that the conflict in the region doesnt escalate past fisticuffs (This is the equivalent of knowing you will get drunk so you leave your car keys to your friend who leaves early). Now India and Pakistan is another deal entirely...
Wow what I know is that China deals with the border matters with South East Asian differently, flexing their naval strength and build many artificial island.
But on the other hand, they dont want to go all-out-war with India when they couldve wanted to (overwhelm with manpower, increase artilleries) 🤔
As tourists in Ladakh, we crossed a mountain pass on a motorable road that was 18,000+ feet in altitude. Oxygen tanks were mandatory and used by most while some tourists were required to descend quickly to lower altitudes due to dangerously low blood oxygen readings. The military was heading to posts ahead that were at 22,000 feet plus, the highest battlefield in the world.
They are used of that condition
Damn you made that sound so epic. War film incoming
@Grim Reaper Not so. Everyone had their oxygen level checked and some "young" people had to go down. You could of course refuse oxygen if you felt macho enough. Bad idea. 🙃
@@sambratkumar2925 Yes if you mean the military. They are acclimatized in Leh and surroundings before going up to places like Siachen. Many civilians cannot handle Leh without oxygen (10,000 ft) and some get back on the plane to Delhi.
@@jaybarua7095 yaa, i know. And army used to first deploy a soldier in less altitude and then increase it with time, so that's helps a lot. Regulating tricks are awesome of Indian army
I remember the 1960s. India's army was sent up to meet the Chinese threat, while politicians in Delhi had ripped off the defence budget! The Jawans had no warm clothes and were still using bolt action rifles. My Uncles (in service), told me that the Indian force was badly mauled. We took up the National Defence Fund in our school, as it was enforced throughout the country. People donated what they could to supply the Army's needs.
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Still now Chinese army is better equipped than us. It's the fact. They have more money.
@@gobimurugesan2411 now 🇮🇳 is grow 🔱💯
@@gobimurugesan2411 more money but still quantity over quality 🗿
@@RITESH-007 Bro if u see wars all over the world it's so important. Army with less equipped soldiers always loss more. I hope we match our economy to China in NXT two or three decades.
At high altitude 5.56 does not pack the same punch as a 7.62. Indian army is trained for shoot to kill with minimal bullet wastage thus 7.62 is a better option than 5.56 at high altitudes.
What army isn't trained to kill?
Because of lower oxygen reducing power of powder (and the heavier bullet less reliant on speed is less affected) or the thinner external ballistic medium (improving the AK more than the more aerodynamic AR) ??
Seems like the former could be made up for with special ballistics and the later taken advantage of by a less pointy longer Buller design.
This is the first I've heard of your theory but it makes sone sense.
@@kravmaga654 BTS army
6.5 is better than both for mountain warfare
@@abstractapproach634 Neither. Elevation effect on powder burn is minimal. Hell, you can fire a gun in space. If anything, the lack of air at high elevations means there is less air resistance, allowing the bullet to fly farther. 5.56 will benefit more from this because its lethality depends on velocity.
The problem is that in the mountains, you are engaging at farther distances, often beyond the lethal range of the 5.56 round.
We lost war with China because our prime Minister of that time didn't allowed air force to take action he thought if he allowed air force his image will get bad😒
No. He didn't allow air force to take action because India overestimated the capability of PLAAF due to IB giving in bad intelligence. At that time there was no external agency R&AW, but only IB. This is documented in multiple books, memoirs and archives. According to a CIA agent, Nehru even asked US President John F. Kennedy to activate the US Air force to help fight the Chinese aggression, but CIA refused or delayed taking a decision and by that time, Chinese forces withdrew from Arunachal.
@@Subh8081 just tell me something your country is at war and you are not allowing your air force to take action just because the opponent is powerful
@@Subh8081 There was for sure intelligence failure by the Indian Intelligence Bureau but as far as the overestimation of the PLAAF is concerned, it was first the Americans that said that IAF wouldn't compare against the PLAAF. Later, it was the Americans themselves who revealed that the PLAAF had a very few air bases in Western China.
@@adriangaming4853 Not just few air bases. China had these airbases at a hight greater than the Indians and therefore its planes couldn't take off with full load unlike Indians. Chinese knew this that if India activated its air force, it would be defeated kn Eastern front, therefore withdrew from Arunachal before India realised it. But India's forward policy on Aksai Chin couldn't succeed as both India and China were at an hioght and by the end of the war, China had constructed numerous outposts in there to consolidate its position.
@@STRIXplayNS Yes. Nehru was told if India activated it's airforce, PLAAF would attack entire North East and Eastern India up to Kolkata and would cut off North East from rest of India and IAF could do nothing to counter it. Sometime when the enemy is more powerful, damage control is better than escalation. Pakistan didn't activate its airforce during Kargil because of that. Why do you think India conducts surgical strike in Pakistan but never in China? Same reason.
The reason why 5.56x45 cal is being ditched by Indian Army is because of it's inability to quickly neutralize the enemy when shot at. In recent CI/CT ops at Kashmir, what IA found was that the terrorists used high dose of drugs before indulging in a firefight. This allowed them to get hit by several 556 bullets and still fire back at soldiers resulting in casualties. Similar behaviour was seen during Kargil war in 1999 when Pakistani soldiers would fire back despite being hit with 4-5 bullets.
Hence the older 7.62x39 and the 7.62 NATO was brought back to service as it can cause serious damage and much quicker and surer neutralizations overall.
its an interesting point of view. I dont know if the 7.62 x 39mm really puts the enemy down harder than the 5.56mm but I understand the argument its possible. I like the SIG716 I think its a smart way for them to go. Not sure I would go to the Ak203 though. AK12 or AK19 would be better. no other miltiary force uses the 7.62 x 39mm. China, Russia, US, all of NATO are all using calibers similar to the 5.56mm. Unless India knows something we dont about the 7.62mm and its effectiveness. but like you said they might face a unique challenege with their enemy being drugged up.
+1, Indian INSAS rifle is also hated by troops because of its high muzzle velocity, the bullets just pass through the enemy and leaves them capable of saying , "allaouber" boom
I've talked to alot of veterans when I served in peace time (Canada 2012-15) and I've heard quite a few soldiers say they would rather get shot with 762 than 556, 762 will pass through, 556 wil tumble and turn your insides to mince meat and that's the doctrine behind 556.
@@Taskandpurpose One thing is the AK 203 is primarily used by the backend troops whereas Frontline ones are given with Sigs.
Also, for 7.62 x 39 the reason given was that army has surplus 7.62 x 39 ammo from decades of using AKs and it cant be wasted.
Hopefully they will upgrade again in the future to the Sig 6.8 ,,.
@@samayvyateet I think having higher muzzle velocity is a good sign. less tumbling for your bullets and will right right at the spot . though it would make the wound inflicted less hurting.
As an employee of a defence company accused for corruption in India I can firmly state: In India there is no way around corruption in one way or another. A honest company can't get further the tea kitchen in the Indian DoD. Sad but true.
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@@adityarai5367 augusta westland
Babus rule!
After 1967 Nathula Conflict India has always beaten China hard
Its correct
I think the war in Ukraine is giving the major militaries around the world second thoughts on thier current capabilities.
It's been a great lesson on training, maintenance, logistics and the capabilites of modern ATGMS, manpads and simple drones.
The line about going from fisticuffs to nukes was a very good point. And it could escalate that quickly.
They need to watch Anchorman.
@Ned Kelly Grindset Unless you have a nuclear mutually assured destruction scenario using a nuclear weapon can be a profitable option. The Communist Party of China is the 21st Century version of the Nazi Party with their genocide of Uighur’s. Countries (Turkey) still do business with China. Turkey make excuses for China. Turks and Uighurs are largely in the same branch of Islam. Turkey won’t lift a finger for Uighur’s. Why would other countries be interested in lifting a finger for the country whose a victim of a nuclear attack? Especially the victim country’s enemy? What’s in it for them?
When a country eventually does strike with a nuclear bomb or bombs there will be outrage and cries of “oh the humanity.” They will impose sanctions, blah, blah, blah… . Then the offended, supposedly righteous, countries will continue to pursue their interests. The sanctions, etc… will weaken or be removed. The dead will bury the dead. The US will buy great cars from Japan. Life will go on.
Makes me think of North Korea DMZ, certian story about a tree and fisty cuffs.
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@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 seems to be how these things go unless you have mutually assured destruction and good channels of communication. Even then there will be miscommunication.
Interesting that the Indian Air Force and Army couldn’t talk to each other. If you look back in time at the US military, in Grenada the Army couldn’t talk to the Air Force, the Marine and Navy couldn’t talk to the Army, it was a mess. At one point we were engaged in a fire fight and couldn’t get air support because we didn’t have an Air Force TACP with us, and even though we could see a Navy ship off of the coast, we couldn’t talk to them to get Naval air support. Yeah, it was Grenada, but we had 19 US servicemen die in that very brief conflict. It taught some valuable lessons that carried over to Panama and Desert Storm.
The US military branches have been communicating with each other since the Korean War and also in Vietnam.
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For the past 30 years, the USA, Taiwan, Japan, Australia, has been telling India to buy more weapons, upgrade your military tech, We the USA has been trying to tell Phillippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam the exact same thing! They DON"T listen until mud hits that fan! Vietnam has been buying military equip from US, that is great. Military upgrades takes 10 years , it does NOT happen over night! Wake up foolish asian nations. Evil china is already way AHEAD of you!!
@@matchesburn Wonder if that's where that scene in the first Michael Bay Transformers movie was inspired by when Josh Duhamel's character has to use Tyrese Gibson's cell phone to route a call through an Indian call center to the Pentagon to get air support lol
Thing is Vietnamese don't need body armour, simple reason, the tough plate prevent tunnel crawling. So we only need guns that works in the mud and dirt, chambered in good ole 7,62x39 and one or two good long range optics for our Sks and voila, functional jungle warfare.
Well Chris as a former Marine from the 60s and 2 tours in Vietnam MOS 0311 I have a few observations.
The Indians aren't the only ones confused as to what calibre weapon to use.
In WW2 the military basically had 2 calibers. The .45 used for pistols and submachine guns ....yes I remember the carbine...a useless POS ... and the 30 06.
Both were eminently suited for their purpose.
The primary infantry weapons were the BAR and the M1. Machine guns used the 30 06. Except the HMG .50 M2..
Which bybthecwsy is still in use today a marvelous weapon with a variety of ammo ranging from anti personnel to anti material and lightly srmoured transport. One of the Marine Corps best weapons carriers was the half track quad .50 in my opinion
The Colt M1911 used the .45 as did the Thompson and other sub guns.
The 30 06 had great range and plenty of knock down power.
The .45 pistol similarly had plenty of knockdown power.It had only a 7 round magazine however so you needed to be able to hit what you shot at.which was a good concept because when you needed a pistol you really NEEDED a pistol.
I shot Expert with both rifle and pistol during my entire enlistment.
It seemed only prudent since I knew people would be shooting at me. However many other Marines I knew barely shot Marksman. Some are no longer with us as they lacked the necessary skill level to succeed in their chosen profession of infantrymsn.
When I entered the Marine Corp it had already switched to the .308 or 7.62 NATO round and to the M14 and the M60 machine gun. However in ITR we got some BAR and M1 time.
It was an article of faith among the senior NCOs th a t the M14 and M60 were both POS weapons and the. 308 was an inferior cartridge compared to the 30 06.
They were correct about the M60. It had many problems in combat . These were eventually solved long after my enlistment and the E3 varient is a hell of a weapon.
But too late.
The M14 weighed about half of whainfantryman. Andcwas fine as long as you kept it clean and sand out of it on semi auto.
And it was useless as issued as an assault weapon due to muzzle climb on full auto. The selector switch did not allow a short burstcsetting.
IF you were using it on a bipod sand bagged in you were ok but the barrel was too light for sustained fire for any appreciable time . Hence the auto rifle man in each squad was handicapped unless he had exquisite trigger control and fired 2 to 3 round bursts. Not easy to learn or remember in a stressful situation.
I went to Vietnam as a Lance Corporal and was fortunate enough to fall under the personal guidance of an older gunnery sergeant who was also my platoon sergeant. I'm pretty sure that zgunny zrausch had started in the Wehrmacht become a US citizen fought with 1st MarDiv in Korea. And I know he was on his 4th tour in Vietnam when I met him.
The .45 pistol was not an issue item to 0311s. The gunny advised me to buy one and carry it. Everywhere. Good advice which saved my life twice.
I did not find the M14 on auto nearly as satisfactory as the BAR.
When I complained to the gunny he told me that if I could come by one and the ammo and wanted to carry it I could the justification being for long range use since the BAR using iron sights was good out to 8 or 9 hundred yards .
So okay. Not hard to get a good BAR from the ARVNs along wit mags and ammo.
I should mention that we were up in I Corp which especially near the ocean was fairly open with scrub. So range was sometimes useful.
I should also mention that humping around 11 extra pounds wasn't THAT big a deal. After all plenty of Marines had done it in WW2 and Korea. In conditions worse than I was in.
So it was all good.
Then the excrement hit the AC unit.
Some moron probably McNamara decided that it would be better to use the 5.56 round. And on my second tour the Marine Cirp finally started issuing the M16 . Of course we still were stuck with the M60 which used 7.62.
Wonderful.
Initially the 16 was along with its ammo a real POS.
It was subject to terminal malfunctions that could not be fixed in the field in combat. Many Marines complained bitterly and a significant number resisted the change preferring to carry the M14 which eventually for a time led to the field Marines being given a choice of carrying the extra weight of the M14 or the lighter but unreliable 16.
The difference in calibre didn't matter at the time since 7.62 was available in the system due to the M60 and other factors.
Personally I disliked the M16.
It's effective range was around 400 yards it had less knockdown power the roundcwas too light for brush shooting and it was unreliable. It was also virtually useless in hand to hand fighting.
In short it sucked.
I continued to carry my BAR and most of my platoon carried M14s by choice.
Then I rotated back to CONUS and got out and went to college under the GI Bill.
Over the years I watched with amusement as the US military spent billions going to the Italian9 mm side arm the Belgian SAW etc.
Then the US got involved in the endless sandbox wars and discovered that in the desert range matters. It also made the discovery that the 9mm had insufficient knockdown power.
Well..no shit.
So now there is talk of the US military and NATO switching calibers in its hand guns and long guns to...surprise... larger calibres.
In the 50 or so years since I hit civilian street a lot has happened to the infantry small arms and training. I'm not conversant with much of it.
During that 50 years I continued my preference for the .45 pistol round along with the 10 mm pistol cartridge. In a semiautomatic pistol with a 6 inch barrel.
I continued using the. 308 round using 173 grain bullets in Lake City cartridges.
Better rounds such as the 7mm Mag were developed but until the past 5 years I stayed with the .308 because it was sufficient.
I finally began using the 6.5 Creedmore and found it to be an excellent cartridge.
There are other excellent long range cartridges as well.
I believe that eventually the optimal cartridge for infantry long guns will fall somewhere between 6 and 8 mm.
And for a pistol around 10mm.
The troops will need these calibres because of the likely distances they ll be likely fighting in and the fact that their opponents will be wearing body armor with chest plates as the Russians currently supposedly do when they manage to issue the insert.
Hope for the best plan for the worst. If you wind up fighting at shorter ranges against unarmed adversaries fine. However as we c I recently see the converse is not true.
The whole point to this is the incredible waste of money over the past 50 or so years.
The .45 was developed during the Philippine insurrection. It's purpose was to put a drugged person charging with a big sharp blade down. Immediately. Before he cut your head half off.
And it did.
Now you need the same or better in an emergency with a charging 180 lb person wearing body armor.
Even if it doesn't penetrate the chest plate you want something that will knock him off balance or tear an arm or leg half off to distract him long enough to finish him.
As far as I'm concerned the cartridge and personal infantry assault rifle and LMG cartridge should have an effective range of 700 yards.
And teach the troops how to shoot. And hit.
The snipers with their specialized training and equipment can handle longer distances.
And for God's sake make the LMG and squad auto weapons with heavy enough barrels to fire sustained without burning out the barrels cooking off rounds or jumping uncontrollably when fired in moving assault.
Make the weapons so that they are rugged and will take field conditions ranging from high humidity and hot and dirty to minus 40 F Along with lubricants that work in very low Temps.
And as far as the extra weight is concerned eff it. Condition the troops to carry it. The average infantryman today is larger than his counterpart in the first half of the 20th centurey. And those troops carried the weight. And yes I know that now the troops are carrying body armor electronics such as NVG etc.
Condition the troops to carry it.
Train the troops to be able to shoot not spray and pray.
And train them to actually fire their weapons at the enemy. A soldier or marine infantryman without aggression is halfway to being dead. And killing his buddies as well.
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I think BAR is underrated but in your opinion what are its weaknesses ?
I mean FN remade the bar into decent weapon.
It’s funny what you wrote about the m14 being unreliable and the reference to sand. I started with the m14 and found it to be very reliable even after being buried in sand. This impression was reinforced once I was given an m16. The m16 jammed all the time. And yes , the m14 was a great club and spear for fighting, but the m16 was … what? A toy? What I hated about the m14 was its recoil vs the m16. I could get off a series of well aimed shots with an m16 much faster than with the m14. I also had an m1911A1 in my other role and I loved it.
@@MrDubyadee1 dude you were really a soldier, i have doubt about you
5.56 is lighter intermediate calibre but 7.62 NATO is a full length rifle calibre.
Both have different recoil, M16 is a lighter gun with lighter round and M14 is a battle rifle with Full length rifle round.
Just a quick update......
1. Theatre Commands have already been set up with the post of CDS to monitor and communicate between the three arms.
2. Even Navy planes performed regular sorties throughout the standoff at Ladakh.
3. Many things are changing and the best thing is more involvement of Indian Private Companies
3. The Border logistics and infra has improved at an unbelievable speed.
The main issue yet remains the extreme slow pace at which defence aquisitions occur. The beaureucrats are immensely responsible for it.
In all, the speed has to increase dramatically but still .....the Indian Army right now is the absolute God in mountain warfare.
Thanks for the vid.
Delete the comment. Y r u putting out such info publicly? It shouldn’t b easily and widely available.
@@RojaJaneman Eh?
@@RojaJaneman it is already publc
@@RojaJaneman as if indian media left it hidden lol
@@RojaJaneman bruh 💀
The Indian army has a history of exemplary effectiveness. The Indian army shouldn’t allow bureaucratic bean counters to interfere with the provision of good equipment.
Yes bro 👍🙏
bro in haifa war indian british army defeated Othman and german army with spear and sword .....against machine gun and fully armored combined army
@@ashakumbhar5660 yes bro that's why we r proud to be Indian 🙏💯
Thats the biggest disease for Indian defense. These bureaucrats ruin everything.
Bro it was the previous governments who were pro china and pro pakistan. But now everyone has understood that you can't beleive them. They are everytime ready to attack. They have the intent but not the capability.
Cappy: _Mentions India_
Indians: _We've been summoned! Everyone assemble in the comments at 0400 for Mr. Crappy_
And then there is always one indian guy who is pretending to be a pakistani , trying to diss indian armed forces. But keeps getting roasted😂
Likes and subs are really easy to get from Indians.
Just unconditionally praising India, enjoy your tidal wave of support
Right bro
@@Hegde- its very common nowadays lol
@@J_X999 A LOT of Indians came online just 3-4 years ago and many are new to SM sites and CZcams and can be a bit annoying. Just ignore hypernationalists 👍
On the whole Military Industrial Complex point, I can't say I fully agree. Having many groups in competition and collaboration with eachother is a good way to drive innovation. But looking at the US system at least, I still see reason to doubt the integrity of that competition. There are great conflicts of interest when our lawmakers and bureaucrats hold shares in these military companies.
To be fair, thats mostly because the US is winding down its military since the cold war, and has seen alot of contractors start to consolidate.
nation of scammers governed by corrupt government? imagine my shock
@@honkhonk8009 That doesn't necessarily excuse the general weakness of legislation like the STOCK Act.
i have followed EVERY VIDEO , love how you approach every topic....a lil dry wit definitely helps;-)
Thank you ! Glad you like the videos
I am an average Indian but I find it quite amusing for an American veteran to talk about our country's army since most of us here don't have/ have very limited knowledge on firearms. Also nice vids keep it up if this video does well I look forward to some more firearm instructional videos to broaden my knowledge. Also the mountain warfare praise made me proud thanks for that.
Check out Garand Thumb and TRex arms. They should be able to help you
One needn't look any further than the Gurkha soldiers of the British Indian Army...complete badasses. You'd enjoy researching their story.
I took a history class about the Indian Subcontinent a couple of years ago. I learned a lot about India. You guys have a long tradition of being bad ass warfighters.
does it feels good that he finally make a video on indian military ,i was starting think that he would not focus on other countries' military
as an American I’ve always felt like India shared our values and is one of our most natural allies, I hope we see more investment and cooperation with India in the future
They use 7.62 because they fight in the mountain. If a confrontation happen, it will most likely be from a far distance than modern conflit.
So at the border, most soldier have 7.62 ammo.
When you come close to the city, you can find 5.56 ammo where CQB will happen.
So the geography dictate the ammo.
I’m French, I hope my English was understandable enough
And suicide bombers too. They found 7.62 to be more lethal.
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@@rayyanali4471 yup especially if it has a car with it.
Votre anglais est perfect. Je suis désolé pour moi terrible Français
You do realise 556 is more accurate at longer distances than 763x39?
Im thinking they taking a .30 cal cartridge because; bigget bullet make big hole
Also Russians do not supply AKs in 556 (545 still but not 556).
Well said bro you got it all right love from India🇮🇳
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Full of interesting information and actually quite witty. Thanks!
All jokes aside, it is REALLY important that India's armed forces get their shit together.
I think they can become a truly formidable, world class fighting force and are probably on the right track. The America/India/Japan alliance is probably one of the only things preventing China from outright trying to conquer the entire Pacific.
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And Australia, Philipines
Lmao white supremacists trying to use india as a meatshield for theyre empire, India has its own problems like infrastructure and cults.
offf topic but why does he have so many tabs
@@BigRussianCatWithFloppyEars bro india is literally right next to aggresive n hostile nations. Its in their own best interest they dont get shit kicked in if. Your social justice nazi shit doesnt apply on the real world. The strong destroy amd shit on the weak. Puttin labels on them only work on twitter
From what I understand the Indian militaries reason for having two new rifles Is that they're mountain troops often use different rifles from the regular infantry. Such as them using aks instead of the inas and when India switched to the ak203 they got 716s. It's makes a bit more sense when you put it in that context
What is the context? They just can't afford to equip the entire army with the best equipment. So only the most frontline soldiers get it.
@@TheBooban yes, can't deny. The military budget can be increased but govt wants to spend on freebies more than the threats.
@@TheBooban what can we say everyone can't spend 700 billion on their military because their military industrial complex supports it.
@@TheBooban AK203 isn’t bad though.
@@jackharper5642 the military budget cannot be increased any further. It's around 12% of annual budget, and increasing it any further would impact agriculture, healthcare, education and industry.
You are such a likeable guy Cappy! amazing work
The earlier logic behind using the 5.56 round was that this would injure the enemy soldier and each injured soldier would occupy two others to take him back. But now after dealing with the Islamic terrorists in Kashmir for the past 20 years the Indian army values the single shot kill capability instead of merely injuring the other side as these Islamic terrorists are not known to care for the injured. I obviously do not know the whole story but this was the major reason for requiring the capability to switch barrels
Well, Indian capability to counter China lies not in the infantry upgrade, but in procurement and maintaining of new military hardware. They had their issues in that department, but so far nothing critical, IMO
Tbh india and china conflict would not come to that.
It'll be a short conflict and trust me Chinese can not walk over india in a short conflict.
All the borders along china are beefed up by now.
@@abhilash9918 borders doesn't matter in modern wars as air force and drones can be extensively used. I think future conflicts will be air based. Nevertheless let's hope things don't escalate.
@@pradyumn2692 we already have Anti drone systems from anti-air ,lazer to EW though production is not near demand
@@pradyumn2692 mountain blocks china capabilities , India China conflict would be only army
Oh if only military hardware was all that mattered.
*India-China melee treaty exists*
Me: *struggling to put on my 18th century armour to engage in honourable combat* "they laughed well now I show them who's obsolete!"
Me with an Automatic Van Helsing Crossbow :- *GAME ON*
Weapons are not allowed to be used from both sides since both are armed from foot to teeth in the North Eastern regions with nuclear armed missiles. Living alongside two nuclear armed countries, who are extreme hostile isn’t easy job. Indian army has a biggest challenge, to overcome the civilian meddling in military business, the defence ministry is usually led by someone who has zero experience in military stuff as well as loads of civil government officials who again look for cuts in each and every deal. Unlike US, Russia or China, Indian army and its senior officials keep themselves away from active politics even when the public is highly supportive. F-INSAS is going on since last 15+ years, produced many good prototypes but again faced dust. It’s the army that sticks to the traditional approach, till they bring some inside changes, things will continue as it is.
Good Luck Hiking in the Himalayas with Heavy Central European Plate Armor.
@@thekraken1173 That armor is working very well for the needs of Indian Army as well as Chinese since both use similar equipments. Also both countries including Pakistan are deployed directly in the Himalaya, a sub zero zone, mostly well below 20 to 30 for round the year, so they are much better than an ordinary hiker at least.
@@thegame9305808 exactly i never understood why the defence minster of India is a civilian the lady who was defence minister is now the fianance minister.
Is it just me or is everyone kinda just getting ready for ww3?
I am from India. Saw your channel for the first time today. Informative accurate balanced and hilarious :-). I have subscribed and hooked.
Loved it.The AK-203 deal was signed a few weeks back too.Today the army unveiled her new combat uniform as well.Small steps but better late than never.
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@@rajath275 😂😂🙌
Is Sig unable to make enough? I don't understand the need for 2 different rifle platforms. Lack of parts commonality might prove annoying and costly.
@@manictiger The notion that all troops belonging to an army should only use the same type of firearm is OUTDATED! It only looks good for pictures.
Indian Army is NOT an expeditionary force. Therefore, for an army mostly tasked with protecting its borders and fighting terrorists infiltrators, using different types of firearms depending on the situation, is NOT really a big headache. A country the size of India should be easily able to support such logistics within its borders.
A firearm is nothing but a tool, and the type of job dictates the type of tool one needs to use. For example, counter-insurgency units that often get involved in close-quarter battles in urban areas might prefer a carbine instead of a regular assault rifle.
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Um... An intermediate cartridge is an intermediate cartridge. There's no reason to have a bunch of parts for multiple different rifles, imo.
AR-15 is a good example of a single platform that can cover anything from CQB to designated marksmanship, with just the swap of the BCG, barrel and optic.
Just a point I wanted to make , indian army doesn't only have to focus on external but internal issues also and they have a different types of missions thus resulting in the diverse set of weaponry and ammunition.
Wide variety of terrain to also deal with.
@@benwilson1088 true
Army itself doesn't focus too heavily on internal.. those are Home Ministry bodies like Assam Rifles / CRPF / NSG.. technically RR is the closest to internal they do.
100% currect as India have a major Maoist problem
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 you are exactly right, I just wanted to give toned down, lay man term explanation, btw great point.
Another excellent video thank you!
It is a great shame that the FNL jams at high and cold altitudes. I was trained on its Australian made equivalent, (the Self Loading Riffle), in basic training. The FNL is a superior weapon compared to most later weapons. For a start, it is a man killer; in that it will permanently take an opponent out of the fight. Smaller caliber weapons require a "double tap". We, in Australia, moved to the smaller caliber with the Steyr and later weapons. The thinking by the politicians and generals was that a wounded soldier takes more resources from the enemy than a dead soldier. I disagree because in actual combat the wounded care for themselves while the mates win the combat. Possibly in low intensity fights, soldiers have time to care for their mates as the fighting goes on. Yet, the nature of war now is such that the combat is short and intense. That leaves no time for soldiers on either side to care for their mates. You win or die. In addition, in a combat, I do not want to wound my enemy. Regards, Geoff. Reeks
FNL?
Agreed, recently in CI/CT operations it was found that the terrorists take a lot of drugs before engagement essentially numbing them and allowing them to keep on fighting and cause casualties on Indian Army even after getting multiple hits for 5.56 cal.
It was the same during Kargil war, where Indian side used 5.56 thinking that an injured one would take 2-4 others out of battlefield, while what happened was they disregarded the injured and the injured kept on throwing hand grenades and pushing the trigger.
It's not just low temperatures or high altitudes. It was a jam o matic in Yom Kippur war, far worse than the surplus M16s which replaced it. My father in law was a commando in that war, and they went to M16s, and the rifles jammed much less, even though they had little training in cleaning them.
One of your best videos yet, keep them coming. I also have a slight obsession with the Indian military. Everything is on the table with them, for better or worse.
agreed same here , went down a rabbit hole researching them, facinating problems they're dealing with in an insane environment. really a tough battle they're up against from within and external forces as well
Why are you guys suddenly so interested with them now, after castigating them as radical n@zi type people until this year?
I don't like foreign ppl indulging in my country's issues cz they don't say truth and always criticize us even when they also know that out of all the Asian country we r better than all. They criticize India for their personal gains and think themselves as very nice ppl when most of the world's problem is created or escalated by West and america
@@Taskandpurpose read about the "Naxalites" and "khalistanis" besides the islamists. Those are the dangerous domestic issues. Naxaliism is more dangerous than threat from China or Pakistan
First time watching an honest analysis of the Indian military by a foreign channel. We got loads of issues and most of them are stemmed from the cumbersome bureaucracy and a lack of trust by previous political dispensation on the Military. But, the present government trust military and hence gives them the freehand.
Americans & British would love to see India fighting nuclear war against Pakistan or China. So that the millions of Indians would die in this sensless nuclear war. And that Americans and British would be safe at home and continue to rulle the colonial India. Don't buy this cheap American propaganda India !
@@primilumi7472 India understands this and will surely never fight a war with China.
And now the Indo China borders have mostly returned to normal due to peace efforts from both sides.
@WhAtEveRrr The borders aren't demarcated so sometimes people accidently cross border.
But they are returned again, as what has happened now.
So don't worry. Indians have problematic border with China but we never said that we consider West as our friend. And even though India is partnering closely with Western countries, but it's more of India testing the waters, wheather India could really benefit from it or not.
For last 2 years, we have learnt that getting into this geopolitical game against China would be the most useless act, if India even does it. And hence I think that despite minor border incursions, the ultimate goal of India would be to calm the situation and remain away from any block, wheather it's West or China.
@@krishnkant9477 Present India is not Nehruvian Indian. Present India is taking sides and its India's size. What happened in Galwan was not minor, like 1962 how minor it was giving up land to china. Taking sides is not bad or evil.
@@r.b.8018 I never said present India is Nehruvian India. I am a Nationalist and BJP supporter.
What I was trying to say wasn't an emotional take but a practical take and that's exactly what government is doing.
We don't need to become righteous and take sides. It will be prove very dangerous for India to unnecessarily try to anger China. Indian Government has taken considerable measures to calm down the situation and it is also ensuring that India doesn't gets stuck in between the cold war of US and China.
If you really think that India will side with US against China, then I would suggest you to read more about geopolitics. It's based on practicality not nationalistic emotions.
We lost 1962 war because we had $hit Leader who feared that using Airforce will escalate the situation 😑😑😑
Our leader was a boot licker and coward
Wow, indian had jets that fly over Himalayan......sounds great. 😂😂
I'm so happy that u covered Indian military... Got a fans of yours here ✌️👍👍 i myself is an Indian 😎
Damm! Been watching for you long and never thought India will be here lol.
Also please allow me mention some points:
1- Army gets most budget because of it having a much bigger manpower compared to other services and very good amount budget goes in salary's. So the CAPEX(The money they can use on equipment) The Air Force gets the bigger share, the Navy and Airforce getting similar ammounts.
2- 7.62 is indeed money since the 5.56 ammo used in INSAS was not the NATO version and finding a compatible gun would have been hard.
3- The Ak203 deal has been signed :)
4-The optics are not cheap T-T the Ammo the quality is debatable at best due to them being manufactured by a OFB but the private companies actually make better ones now.
5- Man i just love your videos and the unique style of yours.
this guy has no idea what he's saying
im an indian
as far as I know, for the current financial year the Navy has got the maximum capital expenditure, followed by the airforce and army
@@shubhamyadav-sy6vy He wasnt wrong for the most part and was right mostly.
@@shubhamyadav-sy6vy Im an Indian too and I can assure you that you have no idea what you're saying either
@@imperialguardsman5929 you belong to the Imperium, and serve the Emperor alone, guardsman.
🇮🇳 One thing that was going at a good pace was Restructuring of the indian army, navy and airforce into designated indian armed forces theatre commands!! But that also faced a hit when the joint chief of indian armed forces " General Bipin Rawat" died in a helicopter crash December 2021😑
Your last line took my HEART: " U have faith 💗 in Indian Army based upon their Track Record".
Amazing analysis...cheers from India 🇮🇳
Honestly for India, logistics supplying multiple equipment is a massive headache. Grab 1 system and stick with it.
Or for infantry, 2. Either 5.56 and 7.62mm x 51mm or 7.62 x 39mm and 7.62 x 54mm R.
Either go western or all Com bloc
Communality and logistics is a big factor why militaries don't upgrade everything thing nilly willy.
So even SF or Marines are getting special or unique weapon types, they are still using the same ammo as regular army does.
But if you got SF using 5.56mm tavors and regular army using Ak-203 with 7.62mm x 39mm this is a needlessly complex supply and logistic train.
Wait, I thought they use the 7.62x51. Did they do some changes to Tavor?
SIG (7.62*51) is primarily for Anti terror ops in the Valley & INDIAN ARMY is replacing the current INSAS 5.56 with AK 203 7.62x39.
In short AK 203 will be the next STANDARD ISSUE of INDIAN ARMY
@@scffconinfratec6433 it’s also meant to bring parity with Pak military that employs G3 rifles alongside LOC. Currently the PA holds an advantage since the NATO 7.62 out ranges the 5.56 in both distance and penetration
@@AHalz : Well Pak holds no advantage against INDIAN ARMY 😂.
As per your theory the US military made a wrong choice by standerdizing 5.56. And if this is so then INDIAN ARMY wouldn't have went for 5.56.
@@AHalz yeah no that's not how it works
Here's the thing, the Indians acquired those SIG rifles but the deal for over 200 thousand AK-203s and a factory with machinery built by Izhmash's engineers is still going through. If you guys keep with TheFirearmBlog, you'll see that every few months the Indian military makes massive purchases of assault rifles and battle rifles with no regards for logistics whatsoever, they buy shit randomly without giving it a second thought.
That’s what my thoughts are like unless there’s some method to their madness that I don’t see . I don’t think the sig716 is a bad idea I’m just not sure what I planning is behind it
@@Taskandpurpose well it does pose a great amount of logistical issue but Indian army needs different due to the fact they have multiple operations CT/CI going on daily basis so they specify weapons for specific operations . And special forces uses weapons of personal choice. Coming to the AK part well Indian infantry man rely and trust AK and feel more confident about it. They have shown discomfort in fast with other weapons . For more info check out alpha defence English videos, very well explained .
Well now govt factories have been split up and Indian private firms are being promoted.
Yes coup was a very big challenge but with development of paramilitary and Delhi police which comes under home ministry and not defence ministry it’s well established that’s coup is no longer possible so hence start of integration process.
There is hell lot more room for improvement tho still long way to go
Kind of like me at 3 in the morning after watching to many infomercials and having a few to many beers
I guess u need to understand the logic , Indian army is not us army so the challenges are terrain the needs are different,
Sig are used for counter terrorist operations here , they are good rifle with good punch
But u need to understand 100 or 200 thousand is good amount of rifle n it's enough to easily maintain the logistics needs
But siga are costly as compared to aks
Now India have approx 13 lakh men's in army that's 1300000 men's
N not all have to be on the anti terrorist operations ,
So whn it comes to regular force which is at peace postings thy just need something that's good like aks reliable n affordable .
I knw it may be hard fr u to understand in one go becz it's hard to understand India's need in one go . But trust me it's not just mad purchasing
Though few steps are thr as stop gap procedure , but if u go n see many nations are equipping thr troops with 7.62 even us , and even us equip thr troops with different kind of weapons
Peace out
Cool, exactly like Poland. Whatever US has on sale on any given day.
But we are proud of army standing against two nuclear power in the world.
Learned a lot, thanks
Love your content Cappy. Been a long time viewer from India. Your insight is interesting. Keep the good work flowing
India o7
Yeah hopefully he doesn't turn from Cappy to Crappy
Peace from West Michigan friend
thanks for the kind words brother! hope you liked the video, I'll be doing more in the future covering the Indian army. The helmets were really cool to me the Patka ones, the weapons are awesome and the strategy behind it all requires follow ups
@@Taskandpurpose the patka was really unique due to the unique requirements. Sikh soldiers are religiously obligated to wear a turban, which generally interfered with helmets. So the Patka helmet was made to provide a cylindrical band of armor over the turban. Also, it's frequently worn during counter terrorism operations where terrorists would mostly have AKs & fire at close ranges but generally there wouldn't be any artillery or heavy weapons that cause shrapnel to fall from the top. So no top protection to have something that can stop 7.62x39 & be worn over turbans was considered an acceptable compromise.
The initially versions of the INSAS had a lot of issues like jamming and firing full auto instead of burst amongst other things. Those were since rectified. The INSAS is a usable rifle. The reason why they are changing calibers, is because the 5.56 isn't as effective as the 7.62 in terms of neutralising terrorsist. The INSAS rifle is being handed over to the Police and other paramilitary services.
Better to modify INSAS into a police rifle and hand over to the under-equipped police all over the country
Not quite - the INSAS's biggest issue is that it is incompatible with modern accessories, and is still very prone to jamming, especially in very cold environments. It is being handed to the police because it is still usable in a civilian setting where it can be quickly repaired/replaced, but not reliable enough for war.
The issue with bullet was always range and accuracy vs power and lethality. 7.62 bullets are great for operations in urban area but in open areas, 5.56 shines. Most developed countries are going with 5.56 but I would say it’s both have its uses. I’m battlefield, it’s better to injure personal rather than kill. Because that puts stress on the other side with their medical supplies and personals.
@@Contractor48 Wow - that's a pretty solid perspective too! I am not arguing against the metrics of 7.62 - I think given its penetrating power, it works well for the terrain the indians fight in. But Insas by itself is a very lackluster rifle - that was just the point I was trying to make.
@@piyushawasthi8185 my father was in army back and retired in 2005-2010. Not giving you the exact date because this platform is public. I agree insas suck. I went to Kashmir to meet my father. Most of our soldiers I talked to complained about the rifle and said they would prefer smg to it because of reliability. I asked them about the bullet and that's where I was schooled about the bullet sizes.
Our operation theater back then were mostly in urban area because India was under active insurgency which is an asymmetric type of warfare which USA went in Afghanistan. Those are one of the most frustrating warfare because you don't know your enemy.
And to add gas on it, the government of Congress that time were trying to actively create a hubris of Hindu terror group which a non existent thing back then implicated an innocent officer and kept them in jail for 5-6 years until BJP came in power and ordered a reinvestigation. Talk about scapegoating those people who are doing the thankless job.
Thanks for making this video. It's great to hear this from american insight. and in english
This video needs to be play in the parliament for all the politicians to see. Salute to all jawans protecting motherland India Jai hind!!
DRDO is one of the major reason why Indian defence systems are so damn good. Don't confuse between Ordinance Factory Board (OFB) and Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO). One is a factory and other is a research organisation. India need more DRDO funding or expansion.
Our domestic main battle tank is a different case.
The ArjunMk1A is what finally turned a disaster into a satisfactory success.
the Mk1A isn't exceptionally great but it can stand up to the tanks of our neighbor (yes even the ZTZ series)
@@mehakdeepsingh4849 don't worry, DRDO currently is doing many collaborations with private companies and startups just like how the American DARPA does.
@@mehakdeepsingh4849 DARPA gets its funding from US government, the largest spender in military tech upgrades, with the funding that DRDO is recieving, be glad that they are even thinking about producing certain weapons and armaments.
If it were upto some private sector company, the book would've been closed by now
You're literally praising an organization that ended up creating a Heavy tank instead of a light medium battle tank. Dude, do you have any remote idea on how fckn slow and inefficient the DRDO is? Ohh wait, don't answer, you clearly don't!
@@mehakdeepsingh4849 👍👍
The Vietnamese Army has also developed a new model of AK (and Galil Ace) gun using 7.62*39mm . It's name is STV .
7.62*39 is very effective in mountainous or urban areas with many obstacles.
Or jungle foliage as we found out the hard way 😬
@@edanridge3023 F
No matter what the equipment is, no equipment is better than a mindset and motivation and that! Indian soldiers have in abundance, their endurance and adaptability will make us win any war. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Indian soldiers have been frozen to death in Ladakh mountain range.
The proper equipment do matter.
Join the army and show us how much "endurance" you have.
As an Indian I am happy see that someone analysing the problems properly.
Great points here. I just wanted to break a little stigma here regarding officers looking down on enlisted men. The Indian army is a little different in this regard. The officer casualty rate is the highest and an officer is held to highest regards by the men and the officer maintains a level of respect towards his troops by refering to most Sgts and Corporals as Saab and Ustaad which translates to Sir and Teacher in english. That being said there are exceptions everywhere.
Ustaad doesn't mean teacher. Ustaad means master or specialist. Ustaad can become teacher as they are masters or experts in their field.
@@r.b.8018 Thank you for that correction. I was implying that JCOs and NCOs are refered to as ustaads in a more mentor/teacher like setting and ofcourse they are the experts no doubt about that.
There are also stories about Indian officers taking lead in when they come across minefields before sending enlisted men, although under equipped morale in Indian Army is next to none in my opinion.
Well I friend of mine who was a Sandbox sailor. Said in the Navy their officers forced the enlisted to wear body glitter and fight in Tron like games of death. I am 90% sure he was joking.
@@TK199999 lol assuming that you are being sarcastic the story I heard is from colonel Lalith rai in an interview .Also there are podcasts with Major Vivek Jacob about his part as being a leader and his team member experiences in combat etc There are quite a few officers in Indian Army who earned medals for their valor in close quarter counter insurgency ops ..like neutralizing bad guys by literally shooting in the face ..type of stuff
I believe it is going on a right direction. About time, our nation's army some much awaited upgrade.
Ain’t no chance. The economic difference is too huge for them to be able to sustainably try and match China.
@@khaldrago911 not necessary to match the PRC one on one.
The PRC dosent have the logistics to win today.
No reforms in Indian military today. The PRC wins in 25 years time.
Indian military is reforming now.
PRC will have to become much stronger then what they have. Just to equal what India can do with what we have today.
@@khaldrago911 - we don't have to outmatch them. With the upcoming upgrades, we'll level the playing field
@@sarath431 I respectfully disagree with y’all. It ain’t like they ain’t modernizing. And as as far infrastructure goes, ain’t no country that’s as good at building now as China. If they’re building roads and rail in Africa, you can bet your bottom dollar they’re doing in on y’all’s border.
@@khaldrago911 - let's agree to disagree then. We are talking modernisation of military here. As for the infrastructure, it's a topic of another day
I’ve trained pilots from all over the world. I’ve also been blessed to live in an area of the US where thousand of Indian immigrants have moved to. What I’ve found is they are extremely intelligent and hard working peoples.
I believe India holds the key to peace in Asia. I would like to see the U.S. shift as much trade to India as possible.
India has other problems
Rwanda - Global Hunger Index ranking = 102 (2022)
Nigeria - Global Hunger Index ranking = 103 (2022)
Congo - Global Hunger Index ranking = 105 (2022)
Sudan - Global Hunger Index ranking = 106 (2022)
INDIA - Global Hunger Index ranking = 107 (2022)
Zambia - Global Hunger Index ranking = 108 (2022)
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Thanks for the fair opposing points views, which one would never hear from any Indian media,
Love and Support India From Philippines🇵🇭💖🇮🇳.
Thanks a ton! This was really insightful. To add to your question as to why the Indian army changed from 5.56 ammo to 7.62 ammo, the reason I guess would be Indian army's reliance on marksmanship as a tactic in counter insurgency operations. Mountains, especially the ones covered in forests are really tricky when in comes to counter insurgency ops and the policy of "Shoot to Kill" is what requires a more "stronger" 7.62 round to execute.
💝Good Analysis 👌
Good Analysis of rality of India!
I'm an Indian, my dad's a Col. In the Indian Army, I've been watching you're channel for an year . Look forward for more content on Indian Forces
Jai hind ki sena.
Lol, whats out with everyone in the indian army being fat or really skinny?
@@someguy7723 I never saw an obese guy from the Army. given they will skin you if you have too much fat. plump yeah, but not fat . but yeah that stereotype belongs to our police, the most corrupt of them all. Also You must have mistaken paramilitaries like BSF , SSB, CRPF etc as Army . BSF really got an obese problem with it's officer core.
@@someguy7723 that's paramilitary forces which follows police standards of training , in the army if you happen to be fat then you are send back to training for the test of the year.
As an Indian, this was so well put out and researched.
Hey India. Cheers from Texas. Wish you success in your endeavors
India's goal is to make in Indian concept so the primary and secondary weapons will be made in India...Like today they launch new army Uniform which is universal for the military personal night and better than the previous one...
better than the previous one but not competitive with the other country bruuuuu
@@jemsonthoudam3875 it dosent matter... Since other countries have the different terrain... And India have different so it's perfect for this country..
Who knows? They actually just might, maybe, end up producing it without issues. Just kidding, it's India, there is going to be red tape and everything will crumple, they will then produce a dozen different uniforms.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me yeah that proves you're not very educated.
@@jemsonthoudam3875 other countries especially US is busy with a universal camo.... Do you want me to tell you how that turned out or will you google it yourself?
Since independence, Indian forces always lacked the equipment and weaponry that matched their high level of moral and professionalism. Especially in terms of self reliance through indigenous design and manufacturing abilities. Thank you for shedding light on this.
Indian army has the highest suicide rate and have multiple cases of friendly fire incidents. I seriously doubt the professionalism and the moral part. Indian army officers often treat enlisted soldiers as personal servants and the rape accusations against them are prevalent in Assam and Kashmir. Indian military relies on its sheer size for everything and has a similar fighting strategy as the soviets had.
@@MadChad1640 WELL CAN YOU TELL ABOUT YOUR ARMY LITTLE BIT
@@MadChad1640 Lol fake porpaganda.
@@srinedhrao9547 Not everything you disagree with or don't want to acknowledge is "Fake propaganda"
@@JonnySince1997 Why would I the topic in discussion is Indian military. Stay focused.
There’s a mistake. You cannot go between 5.56 and 7.62x39 with just a barrel change. You need to change the bolt face. Usually it’s easiest just to swap the bolt. So barrel and bolt would probably be swapped.
China used to have the largest army in the world. But since then, China have been downsizing, focusing instead on increasing the capability of a individual soldier. They emphasized on using force multiplier through high-tech equipment and unmanned platform.
India on the other hand still stuck on the traditional doctrine. The conservatives still wield enormous influence in the military. They want to retain the status quo because a lot of them have political and financial interest to maintain.
India has more challenges then china . Inner conflicts happen now or then . But with china they have no issue like that . They has a very large econmy where they can invest in r&d but india has to depend on other countries for wapon upgradation. China has a stable goverment where they only focus on growth where indias biggest problems is election. No matter which year is this or which time of year is this , election keeps going .
So recruiting more personals rather than uograding weapons is cheaper and more like a stuck in situation.
Its old technic but atleat we can protect our borders untill some advancement in defence sector .
But i can say things r changing now , in recent few years DRDO has done a very great job .
All governments love Bureaucracy but the Indians can hold a masterclass in this subject.
Thanks to good ol' congress party
India needs "Modularity". That is how you win.
Oh no. Indians don't want that pentagon style bullshit. That will make things worse
In relation with what was said at 10:52: Body armor is not supposed to be issued to troops going to fight another country's military. Indian military in general and army in particular took a policy decision not to issue body armor as standard equipment. I don't know about new generation body armor but old generation body armor was heavy and didn't offer much protection, so they decided it was not worth it.
I'm an Indian but today I learned something which I didn't knew from a foreigner
The red eagles or 4th indian division author Chand Das wrote, during the Second World War, the "division captured 150,000 prisoners and suffered 25,000 casualties, more than the strength of a whole division. It won over 1,000 honours and awards which included four Victoria Crosses and three George Crosses".
Field Marshal Lord Wavell wrote: "The fame of this Division will surely go down as one of the greatest fighting formations in military history, to be spoken of with such as The Legio X Equestris (Tenth Legion), The 28th Maori Battalion, The Light Division of the Peninsular War, Napoleon's Old Guard" An Hannibals Barca's Sacred Band. Das wrote, "Even beyond its fighting reputation, it will be remembered for the spirit of mutual trust and fellowship maintained between all ranks coming from so many different races and creeds".
*Operation Compass intensifies*
Your content is amazing Cappy. When i found this channel i binged the entire thing. I am happy you have at least started to make some videos on indian military. Hope to see the next one soon. Cheers 👍
Thank you sir support you we country 🙏🇮🇳❤️
Good to know we are working along with us army
I would definitely simplify the weapons down to just the AK-203 and Sig. that way they can use tons of cheap Russian surplus ammo and cheap 7.62X51 that they have been using for decades. Also, being on good terms with both main super powers will give them options. They might even want to look into developing a native improved AK-203 like IWI did with the galil ace
I mean the 203 is almost as improved as the ak can get. You should check out the video on kalashnikov group where they fire one until it stops working, it took way over 1000 rounds. And it has a lot more options in terms of optics, rails etc
India has the worst logistics. In real war India will struggle to resupply troops
@@MY-zj8pb it's has improved alot since kargil war. Kargil war was eye opener for army top brass, where it took more than a week for soldiers to transfer from a base camp to another base camp. Let along the forward posts.
But IA at the same time also maintain sizable portion of it troops in front line, so that reduce the headaches alitte!
The Insas is exactly India’s Galil. But unlike the Galil it’s shit .
@@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005 Mate. The Indian state and military is rotten to the core..
The US reported that the Indian ruling class lacked "strategic thinking" and was in short just corrupt and useless.
Chris, I also feel that you can discuss the evolution from the Sundarjee Doctrine of holding corps and attack corps to the Cold Start doctrine and how it can be integrated into a 2 front war, a situation that very few nations face today. Please do a deep dive on the Indian military, will watch the hell out of it.
damn it cappy i fired a round at the like button like you said and had to replace my monitor.
Very interesting video. For too many Americans, Indian military capability is little known and little understood. Events may bring about a change in this in the near future.
Love India 🇮🇳 from Canada 🇨🇦 keep growing stronger and keep improving on your military strength
here's a fun fact : it was in 2017 when DRDO (responsible for armament development) proposed to go for 6.8 mm cartridge. but distrust and lack of confidence (or any other reason we don't know) especially after INSAS poor performance and unreliability, Army straight up rejected the idea. In 2019 DRDO again pushed for 6.8 mm along with few prototypes, but Army's reaction was same. in early 2021, DRDO was reportedly working on 6.8mm F-INSAS.
oh and the main part of the video, we need a separate video for Chicken Tikka Masala. it needs a proper justification.
and thanks for the great video !!!
7.62x39mm cartridge is used by the enemy as well. One can use their cartridge from captured posts in a war. 6.8 therefore loses out to this advantage.
Damn never knew about this
@Goosa Poosa army itself never hyped it. and in India there is no gun culture and most of the people get everything wrong about guns and such things. very few people have true or right narrative with respect to armament that how things work, what is good, bad, what can be advantageous etc etc. plus, the incompetent and maoist Ordinance Factory board (OFB)use all marketing tactics to create fake hype among the patriotic and nationalists (who want to learn things about guns but are unable to) which gets channelized to social media. so, its not their fault completely. its more of OFB's fault.
@Goosa Poosa well, problem is " Bhakts " are pretty patriotic they don't have the right direction.
Anyway, Coming back to insas, it is a pretty good rifle when it comes to recoil management and balance. only problem is extreme unprofessional way of manufacturing those. lets say, when DRDO designed it, it had 2 faults. but when OFB manufactured it, it had 10 problems. so, thats where problem lies.
now, talking of that Rifle failure video, if you look closely, the soldiers had already fired over 150-200 rounds of constant auto fire and still kept firing when it started to jam. at this point any rifle designed in 1980-90s era would jam. insas is no different. but observe in that video how less of recoil it had. and it wasn't INSAS rifle but was INSAS LMG. INSAS is infamous for often jamming even without any extreme condition. so, your point is correct but that Bunker firing video is not the best example of it.
Infact the british SA80 was also know for jamming very frequently and had same problem as INSAS. but SA80 got its corrections at the right time however, INSAS didn't.
1:28 no...?
The Sig716 purchase is for frontline troops at the physical border where they have semi-permanent presence while mechanised infantry and ct/ci units will be using ak203(smaller, easier to maintain and cheaper).
Also, as of Feb 2023, the ak203 plant is operational.
Proud to be Indian army soilder 🔥
As for the SIG rifle, it's an designated marksman rifle. I believe one of two soldiers carry them in the team. Rest will be armed with whatever they are been issued with, be that be ak-203 or tavor.
Tavor is special forces specific.. the normal infantrymen don't get to enjoy the Israeli him..
the Kenyan army said fuck it and they give everybody a SCAR-L and give M4s to one soldier in every unit
@@keithteach5649 kenyan army did not give everyone a scar, they bought scar in few numbers for kenyan sf
The SIG is being issued to units deployed along the Himalayas because of the long engagement ranges in the mountains, while the AK is supposed to be used by regular units & counter insurgency.
And yes, the Tavor is primarily issued to SF units
No, SIG is being provided to units in border and operational areas, 203 will be a standard issue
loved your take on the Indian military, I am a viewer from India and I gotta say no this video came as surprise, really liked your insight from your angle. Indian military does have a long way to go.
Lost in 1962
Won in 1967.
War on Nathu La Pass 🔥🖤
The conflict between China and India can be resolved without war.
Millions of Chinese and Indians have lived peacefully next to each other around the world.
Both countries just need the will to do it.
The AK 203 deal has been signed and manufacturing will start very soon.
its been back and forth on whether its going to happen or not , sounds like its really in the works now
@@Taskandpurpose 70000 are on there way right now from Russia
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This all reminds of the Moro Rebellion in the Phillipines around 1900. Suicidal Moro Juramentados weren't stopped by 38 caliber, so the US went to various .45 rounds, ending up with the 1911. In the case of India, the logistical advantages of a single caliber are offset by the variety of terrain and opponents. At over a million soldiers, splitting the orders still results in several very large orders, and logistics needs to supply different calibers to different organizations, rather than a multitude of calibers to one organization.
The tatics,and the training of the indian army is very good,but they only need to uprade their weapons,armors and helmets
5:00 bro we have a CDS (chief of defence staff) from 2020 The first Chief of Defence Staff took office on 1 January 2020. The position was created with the aim of improving coordination, tri-service effectiveness and overall integration of the combat capabilities of the Indian armed forces At the time of the creation of the post, no analogous position existed.
Setting the stage for appointment of the next Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), the government has amended Service Rules of the Army, Navy and Air Force, allowing retired Service Chiefs and three-star officers eligible for consideration for the country’s top military post.
Anyone who ever dealt with Indian government knows that the the red tape is wrapped in red tape and than vacuum packed in red liner. A country were civil servants still use manual typewriters.
Indian government bureaucracy is so absurdly complicated & corrupt it made even the Soviets feel awkward. There was a period in the 70s to 90s called the License Raj i.e., the License Rule where entire sectors of private industry was snuffed out by government over-regulation. It's improved since then but it's still formidable
Over-dose of socialism
Underpaid civil servants
Absolutely corrupt govt.
Absolutely corrupt politicians
Close proximity to USSR
Underlying fear of coups by own military
India never cared about China, its biggest enemy was and still remains India itself. Just look at our neighborhood...
Pakistan suffered 3 military coups, Maldives coup was prevented by Indian navy, Sri Lanka has been through civil wars, Bangladesh (when it was East Pakistan, pre 1971) went through such a horrible ethnic cleansing military dictatorship that the people revolted at against Pakistan, we had to intervene and Bangladesh as a nation was born.
@@omshree901 well I agree, however the Indian civil servants purposeful are inefficient for job security.
A former Major gave an example of the Indian PSUs "manufacturing" prowess. For a truck the OFB literally just buys knocked down kits of the same from the manufacturer in India , transports it to their "factory", assembles and sells it to the army at twice the market price. And the OFB claims that it operates on a "no profit no loss" policy. How is this possible? There are laws which stipulate that the military has procure equipment from the OFB. And they have huge political and bureaucratic clout. And all they really care about are their fat and I mean FAT paychecks and perks. The bloody lot should be tried for treason.
That's was older now tye it's have been corporatize let's see
Thankfully the OFB is dismantled now
Fkin traitors. God bless Modiji.
Fuck PSUs like the OFB
I know an actual automotive engineer who intered at OFB's Jabalpur factory, on exactly the trucks youre talking about. Trust me, the modifications are significant and the vehicles coming out of the factory are of a much higher standard and spec than what went in. The military wants way more resilient hardware than off the shelf stuff really provides.
All of these are valid points
0:13 Someone should probably tell him to flip up his iron sights first 😂
Chris you pointed some good things out, but I just want to answer that Indian Armed Forces are working on the coordination of the Army, Navy and the Air Force, and we are also planning to create a 'Theater Command' and this will improve coordination between forces, and apart from DRDO India is now also moving towards other private producers and we are on the way to buy from them. And India also created a post called CDS ( Chief of Defence Staff) and the first CDS was Gen. Bipin Rawat sir, CDS' work is to create a coordination between the Indian Armed Forces but unfourtunatly he died in a helicopter crash a few days ago and we lost a great mind. He had a great impact on the modernisation of Indian military. BTW thanks Chris for your great analysis on Indian Army. And there are many other things.
THANKS
Give the chinese hell!!!
Gen Rawat showed his skills in Kashmir...but his reform was not effective to solve whole problem...
Our 1st problem is production of weapons and the spare parts,2nd lack of innovation is weapon technology due corrution in judiciary and administration and 3rd whole US and NATO dominance in India that's why small industries are dying in here...we can not a handle war with pakistan if China gives them full back up(if Russia and western nations fon't give spare parts and weapons)...
great video my man! keep up the good work!
Good one
Thank you!