Will Indonesia Join the U.S or China?
Vložit
- čas přidán 25. 03. 2024
- ProtonVPN is offering a LIMITED offer just for us, click here to check it out! protonvpn.com/taskpurpose
Indonesia has grown larger and more powerful since the end of the cold war, quietly becoming the biggest Economy in Southeast Asia and the fourth most populous country in the world. They have a massive military of 400,000 personnel as of 2023, the same year that they approved a 20% increase to their defense spending. Physically connecting the Indian and Pacific Ocean is the nation of Indonesia where 60% of the worlds maritime trade passes through this region. Indonesia is a major part of the 10 member Association of SouthEast Asian Nations or (AH-see-ahn) ASEAN. When combined as a whole, they rank as the fifth-largest economy with a combined population of 662 million people and a GDP of 10 trillion or 6.5% of the global GDP. They’re kind of a big deal. For context NATO has about 900 million people under their security umbrella.
So now it’s becoming more clear why both the United States and China are investing Billions of dollars competing for Indonesia's affection trying to win them over as an ally and a bestie. But We’ll see how Indonesia’s foreign policy of aggressive neutrality might be one of the biggest factors preventing war between the US and China right now. The non aligned policy of a country halfway around the world from you might prevent armageddon. How does Indonesia’s unique history explain this stance? What are the reasons Indonesia is suspicious of any potential U.S or Chinese alliance? And why are they paradoxically speeding up their military’s modernization efforts?
Join this channel to get access to perks:
/ @taskandpurpose
Task & Purpose is a military news and culture oriented channel. We want to foster discussion about the defense industry.
Email capelluto@taskandpurpose.com for inquires.
#MILITARY #ECONOMY #HISTORY
ProtonVPN is offering a LIMITED offer just for us, click here to check it out! protonvpn.com/taskpurpose
❤
20:10 That vessel is not a frigate, but rather a marine fisheries patrol ship.
Love you dog
Indonesia just wants economic development, Donkey!
I was surprised you didn't talk about Indonesia and West Papua considering the journalism FriendlyJordies had already done on it
If Indonesia is smart they will study how Turkey balances competing sides, if Turkey is smart it will study how Indonesia runs its economy.
Yes, and to not repeat the same mistake 😂
Indonesia is a neutral country
turkey is a dictatorship which no one will invest.
Indonesia is far cleverer. Beside that, I visited Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippine, all beautiful countries and lovely people.Indonesia needs to be strong to remain independent. ❤from Italian married with a Philippine. Hope the ASEAN will growth in peace..
@@Ezekiel903
Unfortunately... Marcos Jr is under duress by the U$ .
Marcos family asset are in danger .
a commentary about Indonesia sprinkled with Indonesian proverbs, a surefire way to attract Indonesian like me
Took me a second to realise those proverbs being translated bulat bulat lmao
Actually it was translated as it should be and not being reinterpretated, I respect that. Those proverbs doesn't lose it's meaning being translated as is and easily understandable to those who are not familiar with it.
I feel like my nationalistic indonesian self is slowly fading away cause i only know a couple of those proverbs and not know the others even in my own native language
Malaysian here.
We use the same exact proverb.
Salam serumpun saudaraku 👍
Me as malaysian trust on indonesia foreign policy.. what good to indonesia is also good for the rest of asean..
Yeah but the government of Malaysia seems not trustworthy, even for their people. They're still in the pocket of the rulers of the Commonwealth. I think you guys need to abandon monarchy asap, it's outdated and becomes a burden
Insha allah❤
asean should align themselves with china.
@@lainmahashima8211lol, that's cute
@@lainmahashima8211 IM afraid what chine gonna do if they have Asean on his hand!!
Sebagai Bule tinggal di Indonesia aku senang dengan penjelaskanmu tentang sejarah dan politik modern. Sebelum Aku Pindah ke Indonesia aku melayan di tentara AS. Masalah terbasar untuk orang di sini dengan AS termasuk perang antara Israel/Palestina. Orang di sini boikot produk AS karena, “tidak mau dukung Israel”. Pemerintah kami harus berhati hati dengan langkah2 Kami di masa depan
Indonesian here, we don't boycott every American product, only those that supports the Zionists, in any form.
@Riski-sz7oddua dua nya
Betul sekali kami tidak memusuhi rakyat Amerika tapi pemerintah Amerika kami orang Indonesia akan melakukan apapun demi membela Palestina
masih banyak orang salah paham kami indonesia mendukung palestina karena agama, padahal kami dukung palestina karena kami merasakan empati sebagai bangsa yang pernah dijajah juga
😂 tenang saja kami sudah bisa membedakan mana pemerintah USA dan mana rakyat USA. Kita tidak membenci rakyat USA tetapi kami mengutuk tindakan pemerintah USA yang selalu mengorbankan perang di seluruh dunia dan menjadi pelayan bangsa zionis yahudi baik di dalam dan luar negeri 😂
As an Indonesian I admit that I’ve been worried about this for a while. I just hope we won’t engage in any war, because it’s not worth it.
nah, eventually you will join the west, reasons are, 1. i dont know why but indonesias really hates chinese, 2. i dont know why but indonesians really like americans.
No matter how corrupt our politician is, I think no one of them would wanted to have any war with other nation. Stay neutral & playing diplomacy proven to be best Indonesian foreign policy since round-table conference in 1949.
Yes i hope indonesias have magic wand that can lead world peace without any nuclear whatsoever
😀😀😀
@@sellysww we live in peace, growth independent and neutral, helping country who needs help. we don't need a nuclear, helping each others and bringings peace all arounds the worlds is our defense .
About the Indonesia proverbs...
"Rice has turned into porridge" means something important has happened and it's irreversible.
"There's prawn hiding behind rock" means there's ulterior motive behind sweet words and gifts
"Tigers die because of their stripes" I actually haven't heard of this one. The closest one I think is "when elephant dies, it leaves tusk, when tiger dies, it leaves stripes", which means when one leaves, retires, or passes away, they would be remembered by their past achievements.
Tigers die(hunted) for their stripes in this case Indonesia's strategic position really attracted both sides
All correct
I thought about putting what their meanings are but figured that might be too much so I really appreciate the details here
Harimau mati karena belangnya.
Celaka karena sombong/pamer kelebihan.
Cek aja di internet: kumpulan peribahasa
I think it's from “harimau mati karena belangnya” which is a direct translation from “tigers die because of their stripes” it means when you display your abilities or strength, it can result in being pursued or targeted
Love Indonesia from Singapore
Thanks bro.
🇮🇩🩷🇸🇬
I've visited singapore too, it's same like indonesia (weather, people, etc).
Greets from Batam, Indonesia🇮🇩🇮🇩
Love for both Indonesia and Singapore from Thailand
Love Singapore from indonesia
3:57 thank you for using this version of painting of Penangkapan Pangeran Diponegoro or the english title is The Arest of Pangeran Diponegoro (it was painted by Raden Saleh, Indonesian painter) because dutch painter, Nicolaas Pieneman painting of Penyerahan Pangeran Diponegoro or the English title is The Submission of Prince Dipo Negoro to General De Kock, is more famous and widely use. Just little appreciation 🎉
And fun fact, even if these two painting painted the same scene but you can cleary see the perspective from Indonesian people and the dutch from that painting. For example, the title, in Indonesian perspective Pangeran Diponegoro was arrested by the Dtuch, we can see in the painting that Pangeran Diponegoro looks more brave, but in Dutch painting, it's a submissions, the way they paint Pangeran Diponegoro is look like he accept his fate to be submitted by the Dutch. There's still a lot of fun detail you can look for!
thats the danish flag not the dutch 4:28
fkn hilarious 😂😂😂😂
lol.
Ha, classic Last Week Tonight move.
😂 bruh, Americans be like, Danish? Dutch it's all the same.
Smartest man in the US army
We indonesians have this belief system saying "having 1000 friends is too few, having one enemy is too many" and it's taught almost in every household in indonesia 🇮🇩
I guess it's well represented in our foreign affairs strategy.
Indeed, I truly hope Indonesia is staying neutral, nothing good comes from war, besides we as indonesian already have a mountain of problems in our country, we don't need another headache 😂
Wish I had included that in the video , very interesting aspect
Free west papua then.
That is a great saying!!!
☮️
That’s a great philosophy. As an Australian, we followed that and mostly lived pretty care free.
We have relied quite a lot on the US for our security and have essentially been kind of obliged to help support military operations, some of which have turned out to be misguided to say the least.
Most Australians are very friendly and respectful (sorry for some of us who are drunk jackasses in Bali).
Generally from individual people up to national level we try to uphold fairness and respect for others. Over the last two decades we have sometimes got involved in things I think we should have stayed out of and apart from the damage of war, It’s also made our friends with everyone idea a little harder. We have had a mostly very beneficial relationship with China. However, they have been trying to dominant us covertly and overtly for a long time. We had to stand up for ourselves and Its cost us, but I think it was worth it. I hope Indonesia can stand shoulder to shoulder as friends who support each other when needed. Vietnam is in a similar situation to Indonesia. We count Vietnam as friends too. Not every country needs to be publicly aligned with China or the US but if we stand up for ourselves when bullied it’s better for all of us. It disappoints me when the US doesn’t always uphold the fairness and justice for all that it claims. We are mostly aligned with them but they are a bully too. If I have to choose the US bully or the CCP, I’ll take the US any day. China is seeking world dominance and I don’t think that will be fun for anyone. Most Australians don’t want to spend hundreds of billions on defence, but China has shown what they think of us “Australia is chewing gum on China’s shoe”. It’s a shame, the Chinese I know are mostly very nice and hard working people. No counties really want to get pulled into conflict with the US and China, but being defenceless it’s a great option either. Best wishes and respect from Australia. 🇮🇩🇦🇺 ✊
This is an analysis that I did not expect, but was buoyed to find. Thanx for your effort and diligence
Your analysis and research on Indonesia foreign policies and its ties to our history is spot on. This is a very well researched content.
I know this video is about quasi cold war 2.0 between the US and China. But I as an Indonesian personally think u can add more context in our relationship with another key player in worlds geopolitics which is the Middle East region. In which we have a very good relationship and many of our leaders have become some sort of mediator between arab states. Our relations with Middle East region alongside ASEAN and also our neutrality with US and China makes Indonesia a very strategic component in world balance.
Nice Video, cheers from Indonesia!
Indonesia is like Singapore , they ride both sides of the fence and deal from both sides
Indonesia should stick with it's neighbors and strengthen ASEAN. It's already the 2nd most important and successful regional bloc in the world.
If ASEAN coalesce more they could have influence on the international stage even great powers have trouble contending.
but singapore got the imperial money and war criminal money from wwii and prior
Some of us indonesians, sometimes jokingly said that singapore are one of indonesia provinces. Hell its very easy to go to and getting from the city state (2 hours flight from jakarta) and believe it or not, there is no major diplomatic rifts between indo and sg for past 40 years. Sg also consistently among the largest investor in indonesia for the past 20 years.
@@AIKalangie a. Singapore, the smallest country in the world, is like the city of Batam in the Riau Islands, Indonesia, near Singapore, only 15 minutes away
@@monkeydog8681 Indonesia is de-facto leader of ASEAN. I think so far Msia, SG and Thailand is happy with the arrangement. I dont remember we ever argue
Damn, Indonesia is in the position to play kingmaker and make tons of money right now, hopefully they take advantage of it and don't squander this once in a century opportunity
Bad news, we are just bunch of Idiots pretending as a nation
Yeah, many of us saw our potential as well. Problem is, not many of us know what to do with it. We're not even sure how long we could last on an open conflict with somethinv as huge as China in case they want to claim our northern island again..
this is the 2nd opportunity in the last 100 years. I still read how Soekarno got the latest soviet submarine for free. and at the same time, he also got a nuclear core for a reactor from the US
Imagine they stumbled hard lmao, but real tho their "Neutral stance" is not helping tensions between the west and china
Thats what alot of countries are doing right now.
Thank you for making this video!
Russians gave strategic bombers, light Cruisers, and a bunch more.
Even today, you see Indonesian F-16s alongside Su-27s and Su-30s, Rafales, etc
yeaa.. we love RU & we just don't like US or CCP
itu ngutang bukan beri, baru kebayar pas masa pak harto dan beye
TU-16 vs everbody 😂
Aussie here. As a traveller and many years ago ADF reserve, theres no ill will towards Indonesia. Love my indo mates and cant wait to get back there for my next visit. Wonderful people with a great sense of humour. Im actually embarrassed by the way my own countrymen act in Bali, so I steer clear of Bali.
Indonesia + Philippines + Vietnam number 1/2 a billion people. Even a ripple of a skirmish in the South China Sea will send millions & millions island hopping down to Darwin to escape.
@@machismo4256 they will behave themselves better than the native population in Darwin.
@@JETFOURLITREI hope that the relationship between Australia and Indonesia will become closer, and that Australia will also become our important partner. 😊
@@boss2280 it's only our stupid politicians that mess everything up. There's plenty of warmth between our people.
Balinese are chill bro, you can go there without being ashamed as long as you don't become like your countrymen who are trouble maker, Balinese are at the top of tolerance level in Indonesia and tolerance is kind of rare here. "If you want to see what tolerance look like and actually feel it, go to Bali" -Most Indonesians that has ever been to Bali.
The spice must flow
Toilet destroyed
Shouldn't they all have blue eyes by now 😂
Controll the Spice, Controll the Universe!
most of the indos (half dutch-indonesian) had been killed in a term called " masa bersiap "anyone that is European/looks european got killed or went to dutch for safety. Humans in the past are real savages@@sashautrera6935
Heh, so you finally can eat your chili nowaday kids?
Context: Indonesians kids and Yogyakartans cannot eat spicy food.
This actually very deep analysis. Well served!
well researched and made video
I'm Indonesian, I Love all people.. from our Neighbour, USA, Russia, Europe, Middle East also China. I'm sad saw the world today.. to many bloodshed, bicause of dirty politician and evil firm 😢😢
Yeah indeed, sadly China does not want to play nice and keeps trying to take the West down.
That's why the West is looking for friends in South Asia.
As a Dutch person myself I truly hope that Indonesia choses to side with the West so we can put our past behind us and work together as equals :)
@@teaser6089
Why the owner of the channel didnt tell how US army had bombed Maluku's market and Soekarno's several assasination attempt by CIA? The pointed and the bestfriend of the US figure, Soeharto even now is called dictator by the westerner? Serious? Just like what they did to Saddam Hussein who they gave info to invade Iran back in 1980's and in the end Saddam is called a dictator?
The owner didnt tell the US gave Indonesia weapon supply to Soeharto motives were to invade Timor Leste, and in 2000 the US themselves called the invasion is illegal 😂
Back in 1998 south east asia financial crisis, it was your people George Soros who made South East Asian countries economy collapses by buying a huge sum of dollars and now you act like your country had never involved in any of these!
You can call me a whistleblower, I'm not afraid the bully of your government. Bang on my door, come on the neo colonializer! I dare you to. World and my people should know the ugliest fact and truth about the works of your foreign policy.
The owner of the channel said that is it better for the US to use military power to force world peaceful meaning that is it better for the US to use military power to force people across the world outside of Europe to be uneducated so they can still rule over them.
So just use it with your false provocation like your country did to Iraq and you dont have to apologize if two millions of iraqis died for some filth scheming made by your own too although you said your nation are valueing the humanity and freedom very high above other nation right? Of course you can nuke every countries that against neo colonialism and so in the end your people can live in the barrren world just by themselves too. Why you dont dare to do that?
We dont want to be like Afghanistan which said by the western media has received 30 trillion usd aid but left with no modern infrastructure build only a very huge stash of weapons that made them familiar with weaponary and now had embodied in those afghani cultures. They will shot weapon to the air on every wedding and that isnt their ancient original culture 🤮
China with only 4,9 trillions USD have their railroad, street connected all across their country, new modern airports, new modern hub ports. Now you and the owner of the channel use your logical to say how could 30 trillions and 5 trillions usd could change a country very different? Is those 30 trillions usd is stolen?
We want to embrace our economy not ruining our peaceful culture like your country did to Afghanistan.
Be careful of their propaganda, they're not good my fellow indonesian brother.
Eh kok gw jd ngomong inggris? Bruakakakakak..
Bangun dan buka mata lo, jangan mau deket ma mereka dan jgn terlalu percaya juga ke tiongkok.
Gw siap kok jd whistleblower karena gw dh riset banyak banget waktu covid 19, anjay jahatnya tu pemerintah mereka ke pemerintah kita.
Komen gw dihapus, takut tuh admin channelnya ketahuan boroknya aktivitas ilegal pemerintahan mereka... Bruakakakakakak... Takut ya ma whistleblower?
@@teaser6089huh? Isn't it the other way around? Just asking because for example most aggresions are done by the west to contain China, e.g. chip act, sanctions, etc. Also most of any aggresive approaches are done by the West.
Now you could argue that's for democracy BS and whatnot but it doesn't change the facts I just mentioned.
im glad to see my flag( Dannebrog) represent holland
Holland isn't even a country
@@drpepper3838 Netherland, but Holland world to
Denmark, Holland, to this American they are all the same. Just kidding 🤣
"Dutch, Danish, tomato, tomato,"
- Task & Purpose (2024). Probably.
I mean they are the same size @@hypergraphic
Thanks!
Om bagi dong🥲
Bagi bang😅
Thanks 🙏! Hooah
Holy Inflation
@@mrdoor3411yeah 😂 its only 6dollar in US while in indonesia its enough money to live for 3 days
One of your best videos to date. I have a long extensive experience in that region and I think you're spot on with your comments. That delicate balance of power with Indonesia will be a key factor in future conflicts in that region.
In my view, Indonesia is a great example of a country that knows how to grow while staying true to its values. Even though most people in Indonesia are Muslim, they respect all religions. They don’t like racism and see it as a threat from outside. In the world, they try to help others without letting anyone take advantage of them. All of this is because of Pancasila, their guiding philosophy.
I really think that this country, with everyone getting along and respecting each other, can show us how to make the world a better place. We should all learn from how Indonesia sticks to Pancasila. It shows us that we can all live together happily and keep getting better.
Ehm, you do know there is a ton of domestic terrorism going on right?
Are you from Indonesia or currently residing there? No, unfortunately, it's the same situation here with the majority dictating terms without much regard for respect.
@@dedyismoyowhat is bro yapping about
@tjoifilmworks Lu juga orang indonesia cuk. Sok banget muja muji negara sendiri 😂
@@dedyismoyopasti pendukung anies ya ?
Finally something about my country
Bangga haru ya cuk
Iya siap
My half Brothers last nam is tan he is half Indonesian, because of this I have studied a lot about the country.Great and brave country ❤from 🇺🇸
Yall have the best jungle warfare army
Honestly, it's Indonesia to be neutral.Besides most of SEA want to be neutral
Very wel done keep up the great work got my sub!
Thank you so much for this content about our history. However, a view corrections:
At 7:08, the photo is irrelevant to the content (PRRI-Permesta rebellion 1957). The photo is president Sukarno with the rising general (soon to be dictatorial president) Suharto in 1966.
You said there were 2 commanders rebelled. Actually it was not only 2 but many regional commanders in Sumatra and Sulawesi rebelled. This was a power struggle between regional army commanders vs central leadership. The regional commanders were indeed anti communist, but the Army leader they were rebelling against (AH Nasution) was also anti communist.
CIA support for the rebels pushed Sukarno closer to PKI.
Ive been to many westerner youtubers and i gotta say you are surprisingly accurate. Not 100 percent but close enough. Indonesian here.
I just don't get why everyone thinks that Indonesia has to choose between China and the USA. Indonesia will be more powerful if they don't align with either.
@@pettahify Because everyone wants 'the good guys' to win
Indonesia has to choose for Indonesia. China is a no go…. and so is the USA. You know what… team up with India, that might bring stability.
@@pettahifycorrect , I hope that it came across in the conclusion of the video that’s what I was saying too , Indonesia is like best off by not aligning right now
Thanks glad to hear I got close !
It's funny how geopolitics is often a bigger fractal of family relationships.
Just imagine Indonesia as the child of divorced parents, each trying to win the child over with presents to be the favourite parent.
The kid decides to be nice to both and get all the toys. (or play them off against eachother if they're a bit on the dark triad)
"Hey mum! Look what dad got me!"
Just gotta watch out from cousin Thailand marrying mother. Then all them islands would mean nothing.
I'd be a shorter trip than Panama all in one country. There will be nothing daddy can do.
@@jayeisenhardt1337then Thailand wake up from his sleep and realize it was all just a dream😂
@@jayeisenhardt1337when I Heard the cost of those landbridge, its not economically viable just to shorten the trips. Military benefit to China? Maybe. Economical benefit? No. We (Indo, Malay, SG) still got those 2/3 Chinese comercial ship 😂😂. Except they decided to play the very long (centuries) game and build expensive, but low maintenance canal.
@@jayeisenhardt1337even if they did successful, the traffic scale is not comparable to Malaka strait.
It's just an insurance for China if the strait under siege by US.
As an Indonesia, actually the child was sad that their parents were divorced. why can't you two be together.
I hope you could make a video on Southeast Asia Treaty Organization.
Your analysis is crazy, so dense. 👍👍👍
Indonesia has their own recent, yet growing high tech or high end consumer goods markets that are beginning to break into US/EU Markets. I bought a set of high end speakers drivers and tweeters from an Indonesian company called SB Acoustics a while back. SBA is a branch of Sinar Baja Electric. Their speakers are good. They can compete with some of the best of what the US or EU has to offer and the prices are lower, or were. While it is certainly true that Indonesia relies on China or the US for a lot of trade they also have their own domestic goods and services markets that are growing and not reliant on anyone else. They're spending on education and research. They have a lot of well educated people with big ambitions to do their own thing and they're doing it. I don't think this is going to turn out to be your typical client state type arrangement like it was in the 60's. There's almost nobody that can compete with the US, EU or Japan in high end audio. It says a lot that they were able. Especially on their first attempt as far as I know.
"high end consumer goods markets that are beginning to break into US/EU Markets."
.
That's not how the English language works...
You need to know something.
We suck at copying stuff except
Musical and audio instrument.
I'm a guitarist myself
The reason why the US and EU are opening their markets is the same reason as why China invests so heavily in Indonesia keep taking advantage of all these opportunities and they'll probably become the Next India or Japan if they're able to deal with their Insurgents in Papua and keep their constitution from being influenced negatively by China or the US.
indonesia is the first country outside US using C-130 hercules. Soekarno traded american pilot that were captured in the rebellion backed CIA in sumatra island for the plane.
There's a lot of first. Also one of the first foreign operator of M-16 rifle.
Indonesia also the first country outside of the Soviet bloc to operate MiG-21 and Tupolev Tu-16, the latter is flew covertly all the way to Australian continental heartland (Alice Springs) to spread propaganda pamphlet during Indonesian confrontation with the British made Malaysian state.
I dont see how we can be proud of that. Its not something to be proud of. Its foreign technology not ours.
@@ahjxhdkns you can buy new shiny weapons because of your good relationship with the country of manufacturer.
Its implies that Indonesia has bargaining position to ask for newest tech to that particular country.
@@nietzchan
A TU16 flying to Alice Springs, Is this true? Very interesting. Why Alice Springs, hardly anyone lives there. Do you have a source where I could read about this event?
The Jakarta Method by Leo Schwartz is the seminal work on this topic (specifically as to US foreign policy, strategy, doctrine, and the praxis thereon), for anybody curious.
Indonesian here, been following your channel for quite some time now. I have to say, this is quite the accurate report you have delivered.
Coming from an Indonesian I’m glad to hear that ! I try to represent other nations perspectives as accurately as possible
@Taskandpurposyou brother you do a good job💪🏿🔥💯.
Lol. It's not. We are not under Dutch for 300 years.
@@Taskandpurpose1816 - 1941 doesn’t equal 300 years Army. (BTW - I double checked that math using my “crayons” 😉 )
@@MrHacrosscrayons are for marines, he was army.
When you are powerful enough to become a player, you don’t have to pick a side.
Only until you end up in the middle of their fight. The straight of malacca will likely force them to pick a side if china makes a move on taiwan.
but currently Indonesia isn't a powerful player. they're poorly armed and developing and have a long ways to go.
yet they can't even feed their own people
@@thencrranger5628 true, as an Indonesian myself i can confirm. Poverty is a big issue and our economy is getting shittier as the years go...
@@_jaegerboy_ shittier??? My guy have you touched grass!??!!
as an Indonesian, u did a very good job for this video! keep it up🙌
should have put the meaning behind the proverbs. btw subscriber from Malaysia. great content
Note that the Indonesian constitution mandates a "free and active" foreign policy, which has traditionally been interpreted as a ban on binding military alliances (and also a prohibition against isolationism, but that's a different kettle of fish). So it's pretty hard for the Indonesian government to _not_ sit on the geopolitical fence without violating their own constitution.
Great point !
Indonesians should always remember this.
Indonesia belong to China since the ancient times.
@@davidjacobs8558I hope Indonesians see this and know what happens if they side with china. Seeing Chinese say this doesn’t seem to promise a good future of Indonesian sovereignty if China becomes more powerful
@@davidjacobs8558Huh? What year is it any chinese kingdom rule any ancient nusantara land?
@@davidjacobs8558 in ancient times Indonesians is first to mastering seafaring, stretching their territory from Madagascar, Australia, Taiwan, to Hawaii. Trading between Africa, India, and China long before they know what beyond the sea is. China at that time doesn't even know that Taiwan is exist. Also, unlike China, Indonesia did defeat Mongol Invasion
Officially, Indonesia’s geopolitic stand is neutral.
But I think in the near future the president elect Prabowo will have tendency to allign Indonesia more closely to the West.
Afterall, he came from military background and have had counter terrorism course in West Germany (1981) and special forces training at Ft. Benning in US (1981).
Great Analysis btw
Yes, but just because a president has had experience training in western country doesn’t mean he’s siding with the west. Indonesia is now capable of becoming a player. And will side with the ones that benefits the country most. As of right now China has invested billions to indonesia infrastructure and transportation and has benefited the country.
@@hectorar7890I don't know about that one pal, China investing in Indonesia is akin to China investing in Sri Lanka, Debt Trap.
Though don't take this the wrong way as if I'm supporting the US or the "West", they are all terrible but we don't have to take a side with any of these bumholes.
Both side is backstabing ashole, west or china
@@yumanorfolk3103 ga bisa samain dong Indonesia sama Sri Lanka, kita cukup pintar memanfaatkan hutang dari china, dan persentase hutang terhadap GDP juga rendah kok, jadi kejadian di Sri Lanka ga keliatan sama sekali bakal terjadi disini
@@yumanorfolk3103 indonesia is not like sri lanka bro -_-
Good Info
I got a kick out of you dropping the many local sayings! That was quite hilarious.
As a Briton I say to our Indonesian friends DO NOT choose either side, especially Americans. Stay independent and safe. Better to be slightly poorer and free than rich and a slave. Wishing the Indonesian 🇮🇩 people the best of luck 🤞🏽
Your BP company sucked our gasoline resource in Papua btw, like another European country do to Africans country Monopoly the politics take the resources
Don't forget your ancestor exploit the American contintent, the Indian, and the Aborigin (Australia)
@@putrasetiawan2331 We explored, discovered and exploited three quarters of the planet. Created the largest empire the world has ever seen and as a consequence you have to speak my language and I don’t have to or care to, speak yours. To the victor comes the spoils.
@@EdwardThatch-ee7yx dasar bangsa penjajah
@@putrasetiawan2331 would you like some tissues for your issues? Or are you just going to cry about having been beaten by a tiny island nation on the edge of Europe?
INDONESIA is trying to tame the Dragon while riding the Eagle.
let's hope they don't fly too close to the sun then...
Damn right lol
@@PrograError😂
dammnn, love this comment hahaha
As an lndonesian...love this comment 😂
Protocol of freedom and active based on the law in Indonesia.
When the war happen between countries, then all of those countries are not allowed to use Indonesia area. The borders are restricted during war
According to recent information Japan is the number one monetary lender to Indonesia in assistance and development. Over 50 Billion dollars and growing.
woudlnt that be bad?
@@rifqimujahid4907 bad from which perspective?
@@earlvinbicoputinov1566China's perspective
@@earlvinbicoputinov1566 generally, never put eggs in one basket?
@@Azmuth01
In other words...Bribery ?
Notice the West never accuse Japass of "debt trap" ...when Japass is a major lender !
Fascinating. My father worked in Indonesia, and I lived there for three years before I finished highschool. I was unaware of its broader history and importance.
Do Indonesian have Solomon's flying carpet and his armies?
nice to watch it👍
Very useful and insightful video Nice,👍👍
Your channel is flat out, outstanding the analysis, the use of official diplomatic documents, and papers, the caution and identifying anything that might be debatable just great videos
please learn how to use commas
agreed. this video is incredibly made
Guy couldnt tell you what is a dutch flag
@@V0451I work with a team of animators and video editors , sometimes mistakes get through the cracks . That being said , yeah I admit I couldn’t tell you the difference between most flags without looking them up first
@@Taskandpurpose get smarter animators
nah, we'll chose both and neither at the same time, bebas aktif for the win baby
"bebas aktif" sounds like something delicious you'd get from that new food truck that everyone's talking about.
@@THE-X-Force haha yep sound like it indeed, it means "free and active"
nah, eventually you will join the west, reasons are, 1. i dont know why but indonesias really hates chinese, 2. i dont know why but indonesians really like americans.
Jangan coba-coba ngompori Bangsa Indonesia ...... INGAT Bangsa Indonesia selalu NETRAL ( NON Blok ) ... namun jangan usik Bangsa Indonesia .... siapa berani mengusik Indonesia - maka SELURUH Rakyat Indonesia pasti bergerak MELAWAN.
Mas kalo pola pikir ini 50-60 tahun lalu masih berlaku sih mas, sekarang rasaku hampir rata rata masyarakat indo itu udah pasifis kalo ada ancaman mungkin separuh atau lebih milih pergi
"Seluruh"😂😂 jangan sok kuat, di nuklir habis semua
@@frelatrz9246generasi yg skrg terkesan "bodoh amat" dengan hal konyol kaya gini😂
@@j4forever234 yah kagak usah nuklir, meledak mlrs tu sebelah kuping kita langsung pada nyari greencard itu semua kayak di afgan
@@j4forever234 Kau WNI bukan ????? cemen Loe.
I started to learn properly about politics around 2015, i was in highschool, amazed as i learn more about my own nation, the biggest archipelago nation in the world, also i feel the benefits of being neutral is far superior than taking one sides, even if you interviewed any Indonesian, young or adult, they will say they prefer Indonesia being neutral, but im not sure about the elder since most seems not to remember anything in the past during cold war, but some say its good during soeharto eras, and some says it is scary and dangerous for them, especially for chinese Indonesian, even though they no longer have ties with their family in mainland china, but they are often linked with communism by the other tribes
you maybe won't care about my opinion but, it's like you have 2 friends n they both in rivalry, you can't choose between friends, you can't leave them because they're your friends, i hope we could be friends together ❤ spread love not a war ❤🇮🇩😊
I did a research project on Indonesia in school. An utterly fascinating country. One of the most diverse and incredible countries ive read about. I hope that Indonesia sticks with the US and our allies but they have to do whats best for them. Average Americans are not represented well by our leaders sadly, i fear we get a poor reputation abroad for this reason.
Indonesia's foreign policy is "independent and active".
So, Indonesia never "sticks" to USA.
In a nutshell, Indonesia opens for everyone.
Sadly, we are watching that China is making a massive economic movement in Indonesia, so naturally Indonesia's economily will be more influenced by China, at least for now.
China are having massive expansion in SEA while the biggest US expansion in SEA is... building more military base in Philliphines.
Won't say it is wronf but you see the priority here....
China wants to control the world by creating dependencies while USA wants to control the world by military.
And I just realized that while Indonesia is neutral, surrounding countries are basically with USA.
Depends, if Papua insurgency can be solved I can see that. But so long Aussie is still playing, I cannot see it.
@Dominus_Potatus well yes, I understand the neutrality, I meant "stick with" as in "stay positive with, work actively with". As stated in the video, a official stance of neutrality makes sense. I just love that country and would hate any type of adversarial stance. It makes sense for Indonesia to do what is best for them, as we would as well. Why choose a side in a political standoff when you can gain from both, it makes complete sense.
yeah...sometimes i observe video in youtube ..people in the USA majority does not know country outside US
@@user-zd3yk6fu8r well, you cannot believe youtube. The US, like Indonesia is vast, varied, and unique depending on your location. My local state pushed us to learn about cultures abroad, and I actively pushed myself to learn more. Not all Americans are ignorant. It is a horrible stereotype sometimes. Most Americans are rather warm and friendly people and wish the best for others. Media would have you believe we are all unintelligent, hateful people, and it's wrong. These youtube videos cherrypick the worst of us because it makes the videos more funny. But this does us a massive disservice (but it is really funny).
By 2045 Indonesia is predicted to become the number 5 country in the world in economic power, with military strength in the top 10. By looking at that, I think the Indonesian government must be wise in making decisions, because Indonesia also protects countries in ASEAN
indonesia akan selalu jadi negara non blok, kalaupun pemerintah lebih condong ke satu sisi, rakyat akan turun tangan
Hahaja segera kadrun berangkat ke Iran dan Palestina. Lumayan mengirangi populasi kadrun biar Indonesia bisa maju dari korupsi, pungli dll
From what I see and learn about the foreign policies of countries in the world... in my view Indonesia is a country that is most difficult to predict regarding economics and politics.. No one knows that Indonesia has now advanced far without us knowing. Indonesia has a strong state principle of BHINNEKA TUNGGAL IKA, they don't think about foreign influences Because of past history... they have their own principles of life which are an example for many countries, but not a single country in the world can implement what Indonesia has.
Indeed, in complicated Indonesian history in the last few centuries, it has a common idea: simply picking any side just ended up disaster for the Indonesian people & nation.
And thats a good thing, apart from what happened under Suharto, Indonesia keeping non aligned is a good idea
Very impressive summary. We have lived in Indonesia for 15 years and many would agree with this nutshell análysis, so well done!
Lots of mistakes in this video.
The video tried to avert the fact that Indonesia uncovered evidence that the US along with UK deliberately instigated the Indonesian Genocide.
When the last time the US institute a regime change in Indonesia, over a million people died.
China went into Indonesia with Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail project, the Mentarang Induk Hydroelectric Project, and gave them the Sinovac traditional vaccine for Covid.
The difference between the two countries contribution towards Indonesia is staggering.
And we know damn well China hasn't shown their teeth yet.
The last time an Asian nation sweet talk Indonesian it didn't end well for Indonesian
@@peacechan4500
Which Asian nation put one on Indonesia?
I don't recall any such thing happening.
Perhaps you could be more specific.
Imperial Japan@@thulomanchay
At that time the Japanese came with "Saudara Tua" slogan or Older Brother. Sure they came here to "liberate" us from The Dutch and train our Local Militia to become a more professional Military. But they also did a lot of war crime and exploitation just like (or even worse) than The Dutch.
@@drfin9445
That's was the tragedy of WW2.
China then was less than a 3rd world country then.
Any way the Japanese started the decolonization process for Indonesia.
Respect sungguh lengkap tentang negara kami Indonesia thanks 💪
Thanks for helping explain about Indonesian history and Indonesia's impact on the world's future
Indonesia seems to have a lot in common with the strategic situation in Turkey today. Despite being a NATO member, Turkey is also wisely looking out for its own interests first, and like Indonesia is positioned at a crossroad between various great powers and current conflicts. Thank you for the detailed run-down on Indonesia's history and current world position.
Turkey has commitments and obligations to NATO, which it is not fulfilling.
@@earlysda when those obligations comes at your expense I can understand why they are bitter
@@arrielradja5522well they come at the expense of Ukraine right now. Turkey is helping Russian economy more than allied economies.
@@Isaac-eh6uu Eh what can I say politic sucks, turkey serve its best interest Nato serves it best interest. Saying one's action righteous for the betterment of others while in truth is self serving is quite hypocritical I must say.
You know about Indonesia geopolitics than most of Indonesian. Great job to make this video
The reason I mostly live there to be fair is that they are one of if not the most neutral nations in the world, and a beautiful country at it, friendly reminder to most here, Indonesia is not just Bali.
They make business with China and the USA and whatever country wants to do business, as they should, and it's easy to travel to other lovely South East Asian countries nearby so I hope they remain neutral just like they were in other conflicts.
4:27 minor problem that the danish flag, not the dutch flag
I was about to say... 😂
Me too😂
me three xD LOL 😂😂
Danish is a Dutch territory.
JK
Either his teams were clueless or they deliberately used that flag so the viewers will comments to correct the flag which will increase the video engagement and will make the video get promoted to other people. Just like how he misspelled a lot of stuffs.
CZcams system.
@@lachesachairulanam9137 speaking of clueless .... Denmark is a soveriegn state and has never been a Dutch territory.
Thanks for the heads up about the situation over there!
Good info. Asean area is obvious key areas of our globe in the future. They have enough muscle not to take too strongly sides in the worsening conflict between US and PRC. I hve one request though. I am Northern European, flag of Denmark was shown instead of Dutch flag. So could you please update that part.
10:26 come on, those are modern roubles, not soviet, it even has inscription "Bill of Russian Bank"
Since you're probably wondering, the title change did get me to click the video. I saw the first version, and I didn't know what it was about, so I skipped it. I started watching the video after you changed it to the current version. Love your content btw!
Would you tell us what was the first title?
@@SukacitaYeremiai think thats a bot
@@borhot420No. CZcamsrs change titles of their video a lot... Mutahar from SomeOrdinaryGamers do that all the times, sometimes ever 5 titles. I don't know why CZcamsrs do that.
Edit: Apparently, they do that if their video underperforms in the first few minutes
First title was “why Indonesia is quietly preparing for war” changed it because I thought it was not a good representation of what the episode was about. If you’re able to find a more accurate title it translates to more people seeing a video they enjoy , in theory.
@@dashua1735 it's A/B testing sometimes. YT has that function to optimise the SEO. tho not sure if it's only for larger channels...
Neutrality is undervalued these days. You’re forced to choose sides and escalate and repeat. Diplomacy is a rare skill, it seems. Good on Indonesia
yeah people on both sides may hate you but at least you're not gonna die from a Chinese or American missile
3:47 that proverb was kinda inaccurate when translated to English. The Indonesian proverb is "Mereka sudah diberi hati tetapi mereka akan meminta jantung". The Indonesian word for liver is "hati" but the Indonesian word for heart is "jantung". So i think it's best to just swap it say "You gave them the heart but they will ask for your liver".
Indonesia berdiri sendiri berpegang teguh kedamaian keadilan di kawasan dunia ( non blok )
Nice recap. I knew a lot of the bits of this but your analysis tied it together well for me. Thanks. Well done.
The way how America behave regarding Palestine issue, we already knew which side is better.
As an Indonesian I'd rather be with China than America
Well, it's kinda wrong to determine which side is BAD simply for one conflict. US also help Ukraine from the invasion of Russia. If we side Palestine because we don't support colonialism, then in Ukraine-Russia conflict, we are align with them (America).
Even then, we still have to little information to make decisions of which side we should choose.
Honestly, while it is true which side seems better in the recent palsetine-israel conflict, i think we should stay neutral. At least untill we see a side winning
Thats mean u r kadrun
At 4:23 the flag you show is not the Dutch flag 🇳🇱. It is the flag of Denmark 🇩🇰
😮 I heard USA citizens sucks in geography
It is not a Dutch flag
Yet
As an Indonesian, I am happy that you use our proverbs. I never thought they would sound so nice in English!
Fuck yeah, my country made it to a T&P video!
Why do you Westerners want Asians to choose sides? Didn't Indonesia clarify by going with China over Japan on the High-Speed Rail? China and Indonesia are big trading partners. Indonesia has what it takes to be the world's top ten economies. What can the US offer Indonesia other than trouble?
Food ?
@@walterrwrush No. we only need grain and soybean from the US. Grain for our instant noodle and soybean for our Tempeh, and our staple is rice.
nelson, your outlook on international affairs is what is keeping Indonesia behind.
@@earlysda Indonesia is projected to be in the world’s top ten economies. It is one of Asia’s biggest military powers. How is Indonesia behind?
@@nelsonsim nelson, You didn't even know that you are behind until now. That's bliss.
Don't worry about it.
Swing states like Indonesia are rare now days, like gems between sands, thats why important to keep them as it is
Informasi yang sangat bermanfaat
Thorough and informative.
As always.
A great analysis mate! In this country (Australia) we have been fearful of Indonesia, we have fought with them and against them. However we now work with them, train with them and respect their sovereignty- as long as they respect ours! I think their attitude towards the big power blocks is more realistic and in all honesty safer. Cheers
Yeah, Indonesia respects Oz so much, they become staging ground for illegal aliens coming over there.
well as indonesian, our eyes always on australia 🤣 a weird neighbour who always wanna get something behind (always remember what u did in timor, papua, and etc.)
@@justmj5725 well that maybe true - different values I guess ;)
Btw i like Mel Gibson... Cheer up
Indonesia and Australia is so close and yet so far😂as Indonesian I can say majority of us also view Australia as a some kind of threat as well (especially because Australia has alliance with the west and Indonesia practically has no ally), but I do hope both of our countries to strengthen and expand their cooperations and collaborate more like we did to our northern neighbors in ASEAN so we have a better relationship in the future
I love the Indonesian proverbs for such video, the most. I never had it coming, it really makes this video different from other indonesian videos. Great touch!
And for the chanel and those who like the Global Balancing Power topic, please check MIKTA, as they are literally the true wild card in balancing the clashing world of G7 and BRICS.
P.S. MIKTA: Mexico, Indonesia, Korea (South), Turkiye, and Australia). The summit held annually.
The A is Australia not Argentina
@@editorizal Yeah, u're right. Sorry, my bad, I'll edit it. Thanks mate.
4:00 "Three and half centuries, from 1816 to 1941."
Seems even AI can't fix ridiculous scripts.
Indonesia is a brave & smart country in Asia, they blocked Chinese military ships, coast guards & fishermen's from entering their water territories before the Chinese tried to build any artificial islands.
No talks just actions.
The video encompasses a good range of nuances that explains our approach in the current geopolitics, but what's missing here is Indonesia is just as suspicious to the US as we do to the Chinese. Soeharto, the longest reigned dictator in Indonesia is, in a sense, a fanboy of the US. It is under his rule that the infamous Freeport is sucking up Papua's mountain dry without enriching the country in return for decades just like what happened in Africa. Many even believed that the US is behind many of the suppression by mass murders starting from 1965, as mentioned in the book "The Jakarta Method". In a sense, it's not too crazy to assume that Soeharto's authoritarian rule was "allowed" by the US for decades since it could suppress soviet influence in the region, along with persecuting Chinese ethnicity at the same time, a complete fun package.
So the concern of foreign intervention runs deep within every fabric of our policy. It is hard to imagine the days when we will align ourselves as allies to any sides of international conflict, we had enough fill of colonialism and neo-colonialism after all.
centuries of being colonized still practically left scar inside each and every indonesian, we didnt like foreign government to involved with our bussiness
I meant to tie together the fact that the US tried to overthrow the government and the CIA supported the coup is why Indoensia is just as suspicious of US as they are of China
@@Taskandpurpose it sure is there, but it makes it seems like it's just a one off thing. What makes us really suspicious is that it happens many, many times, for a long, long time.
The fact that we are helpless about Freeport for decades (only able to pressure them to rewrite the contract) only a few years ago is the prime example of it. There are tons of other different anecdotal instances as well, but yeah.
betul sodara mereka itu masih mau menjaja bangsa kita,,kita harus lawan negara negara barat endengen
Throughout history, The PRC never have had conquest ASEAN or any countries outside of its territories, including Indonresia. So, you forget to take this into account.@@Taskandpurpose
Prawn behind the rock...you got that malay proverb spot on
Another important point is that the new Indonesian president is the former minister of defence and a lot more determined, so we will definetely be seeing a lot more aggressive action taken by Indonesia going forward
The Dutch in 1945: Wow. How terrible it was being under such brutal foreign oppression. I am so glad that we are finally a free people of a sovereign nation...anyways, let's take back Indonesia.
The French in WWII occupied another country to set up their government because their country was occupied. Colonialism was just a notch below or the same as nazism
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 they sent European mercenary & nazi prisoner to fight in Indonesian war of independence in 1945 to 1949, maybe we the only country that have to fight the NAZI after WW2
No way, kami rakyat Indonesia siap mati demi tanah air
The Dutch saw it as "liberating" Indonesia from Japanese occupation. Hence, they returned to Indonesia without any feelings of hypocrisy.
@@fasha7747 And the Japanese had claimed that they were liberating Asia from European colonial exploitation.
As a long time student of Indonesia this is a pretty good video
Having an alliance with the USA is a bad thing considering that they are always involved in various armed conflicts, it could threaten Indonesia if at any time the United States wants Indonesia to become its military base to fight enemies such as Russia or China, and it is clear that this is detrimental to Indonesia, we do not wants to be involved in any conflict, if America builds a military base in Indonesia it will be very dangerous for Indonesia's security, because not always the policies of the United States can be accepted by Indonesia, sometimes they are contradictory so this is what is worried, when political relations between the two countries heat up then Indonesia will not can do a lot because there is already a United States military base in Indonesia that knows a lot about Indonesia's defense forces or the battlefield, and this military base will also be the front line that will fight Indonesia if a conflict between the two countries occurs, even if we look at the past The United States has once intervened in Indonesia's domestic conflicts and supported rebel groups in Indonesia, so it is clear that America cannot be trusted, especially in military matters, it's up to you if you say Indonesia has a weak military but we don't need help from a country that often creates drama. around the world like the USA
So I guess you also don't like China doing the same thing as well.
@@radjadawamindra697 they don't. Chinese are friendly people who like cooperation. Even in my country Bangladesh China has many development projects. They have helped a lot making bridges, railways etc.
@@furiousfade4ever211You think they’re are doing that out of the kindness of their hearts?! You can’t be that naive, that’s exactly what they are doing.
@@joemama-xw1jh china's economic strangehold over the nations they "help build" is no myth and deserves much more attention, but it's obviously different than the US building military bases, designing regime changes, and fueling armed conflicts
@@joemama-xw1jh nope I just don't believe in western propaganda unlike you.
Bro, u're using Dannish flag for Dutch subject in this video, please correct it.
Quite well researched. Kudos!
It's pronounced not as 'Do Less' but as ' Dull Ess', the 1960s American foreign secretary.
He regularly butchers proper nouns.
@@rcrinseaTomato Potato .. it heappens.
Thank you for the correction
What other interesting things did Dulles get involved with?
Interesting video. Note: it was not the flag of the Netherlands, it was the Danish flag used in the video.
Individual Indonesian here.. Would definitely joins the China and Russia blocks
A very interesting perspective. Thankyou Chris.