Valeria Kovtun - UnpackingTechniques Russia used to Implant its Lies and Narratives into your Head

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
  • Disinformation continues to be a threat to Ukrainian sovereignty and is also targeted at Western democracies and allies of Ukraine. Around the world aggressive information warfare threatens information security and social stability, especially in states which Russia seeks to destabilise or coerce into supporting it. As we saw in the 2016 US elections, it can potentially threaten results of voting, place undue influence on voters’ decisions and undermine democratic processes. This is more important than ever, with a slew of elections in 2024 and the advent of exponential AI created fakes.
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    Valeria Kovtun is Deputy Project Director at the Zinc Network, a cognitive resilience programme rolling out in Ukraine. Valeria was formerly Head at Filter, the National media literacy project founded in Ukraine. She also worked as a journalist at BBC Reel and has been a senior correspondent at major Ukrainian media organisations, and a fellow journalist at the United Nations. She also has a background in video production, content management and news broadcasting. Valeria Kovtun studied law, Media Communications, and journalism at several prestigious institutions, including the Kyiv National Economics University, the Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv, and the LSE.
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Komentáře • 566

  • @user-xg6gy6rw3m
    @user-xg6gy6rw3m Před měsícem +110

    Please let Valeria know that I, an ordinary Canadian retired lawyer have written letters to both our members of Parliament and tried to reach American politicians to set out compelling facts for our urgent support for Ukraine. We stand with you!!!

    • @RudolphoAqui
      @RudolphoAqui Před měsícem +11

      Think it would also help to write opposition leader? Perhaps leader of the third party? Seems everything is politics, but be best for Ukraine if we could keep this a bipartisan issue for Canadians. Thank you

    • @georgek1234
      @georgek1234 Před měsícem

      I've written my MP, I've written CBC Ombudsman who put me in touch with the director of national news programming... I requested CBC stop amplifying Ru narrative, if written the KW Record only to get slammed for referencing sources such as this channel... we just need more of us speaking up... next I'll be writing a letter to Canadian Olympic Committee about banning neutral country athletes from you know where.

    • @TooBadToBeAway1
      @TooBadToBeAway1 Před měsícem +13

      I can only add my heartfelt wish that Ukrainians knew that the vast majority of North Americans support Ukraine. Unfortunately, a small group of Maga Republicans, probably paid by Putin, have thrown a number of spanners in the works of aid from the US.

    • @andresha9391
      @andresha9391 Před měsícem

      It's a pity when often the dishonest ignoramuses are trying to "educate" the public on the subject of our - i.e., of the former USSR nations' - reality and history [especially when it is coupled with a strong intention to divide the triune Russian people (i.e., Russians-Ukrainians-Belorussians) - this is the scammers' old colonial trick "divide and conquer"].
      Ukraine, being in the Russian state and in the USSR, became the founder of the USSR and of the UN, increased its territory around seven-fold, population - in around 22 times, and finally became the third power in the world by the main civilization characteristics in 1980-ths!
      As a Ukrainian, I state that the distorting Ukrainian history and reality media personalities and the instigating ethnic strife criminals should be brought to the future Ukraine Nation's Military Tribunal (in the way as it was done for the Nazis by Israel's Wiesenthal Institute) - together with the creators and supporters of the scabies/короста on the body of our nation - current puppet néonazi regime in Ukraine.
      The Hitler collaborators are the main heroes of this regime, the elite force of its army is "Azov" - which was recognized as a néonazi organization even by the US Congress, the slogans and greetings of this regime are copied from the ones of the Hitler collaborators, the anti-nazi are killed by the "death squads" or imprisoned, the national thinker Oles' Busina is demonstratively killed and his killers are incorporated into the governmental structures!
      Free Ukrainians will always remember and hunt (again, to bring to the justice - as Wiesenthal did) the war criminals who have brought and/or supported puppet néonazi regime in Ukraine and started the Civil war in our country ⚡

    • @danielaplaiasu-oy8rk
      @danielaplaiasu-oy8rk Před měsícem

  • @tanjalauramarketta
    @tanjalauramarketta Před měsícem +124

    Jonathan once again I repeat: I'm forever grateful for your incredible effort for Ukraine with Silicon Curtain. I really hope you understand how much your audience appreciates you. Your work is incredibly important ❤

    • @georgek1234
      @georgek1234 Před měsícem +8

      Hear hear... from Kitchener, Ontario, Canada... you are a treasure of epic proportions Jonathan... thank you for another excellent interview... Slava Ukraine!

    • @carolechapman7857
      @carolechapman7857 Před měsícem +8

      Same here from NZ … I’ve followed your podcast and am always learning from it !
      And just to say , Ukraine 🇺🇦 is always on my mind , each day , as with many NZers … their courage and intelligence is admirable!

    • @joythought
      @joythought Před měsícem +5

      💯. So valuable. Having a moral "true north" and hearing others sharing stories that reflect that makes me feel sane in this otherwise challenging period where so much of our information space is polluted with Russian narratives, disinterest and a sense of overwhelm.

  • @gannakrasnostup6805
    @gannakrasnostup6805 Před měsícem +36

    Valeria is one of the best experts in countering disinformation and increasing media literacy of the population in Ukraine. Thank you for this interview👍

    • @shoorakhamis3904
      @shoorakhamis3904 Před měsícem

      Valeria is SPREADING disinformation and misinformation, this crap in staged ,she is paid just like every other puppet.

    • @andrewadams6905
      @andrewadams6905 Před měsícem

      ​@@shoorakhamis3904 Instead of posting utter BS, provide concrete examples of this "disinformation".

    • @publicojornas1787
      @publicojornas1787 Před 21 dnem

      Expert in desinformation.

  • @sneakerset
    @sneakerset Před měsícem +20

    Thanks, Jonathan. Your guest Valeria is civilized and gorgeous.

    • @shoorakhamis3904
      @shoorakhamis3904 Před měsícem

      Valeria is SPREADING disinformation, she will do anything for a dollar. They pay her for SPREAD this garbage.this is staged interview 😎

  • @Korpen_1979
    @Korpen_1979 Před měsícem +15

    Thank you for an interesting interview, a very sharp and eloquent beautiful young woman who knows the situation regarding psychological defense. We need more people like her in important positions in our society.
    Greetings from Scandinavia

  • @rafaelsanz3441
    @rafaelsanz3441 Před měsícem +14

    Just amazing the effort of Jonathan to bring such a high level of analysts to his program, just amazing. What an energy and high intelectual level, a big thank you.

    • @publicojornas1787
      @publicojornas1787 Před 21 dnem

      High level of warmongers.

    • @rafaelsanz3441
      @rafaelsanz3441 Před 21 dnem

      @@publicojornas1787 Yeah, Putin, Xi-Ying Pin and the Iranian Ayatollah, they are warmongers, you are straight back in the 30s.

  • @agustinussiahaan6669
    @agustinussiahaan6669 Před měsícem +12

    Thanks, Jonathan.
    Clear explanation, Valerie.

  • @drychaf
    @drychaf Před měsícem +40

    Yet another first class interview.
    Thank you for organising and delivering so many extraordinary people to us and for bringing their ideas and contributions to our attention.

    • @seamie9773
      @seamie9773 Před měsícem +2

      Thanks Johnston and everyone else who helps ....

  • @rightman1347
    @rightman1347 Před měsícem +28

    I can't understand how Ukraine managed to bring up such a brilliant generation that each one of them is the definition of democracy. Very open-minded and full of resilience, wisdom, and amazingly broad knowledge. I hope they get connected to trustable democratic movements in the Middle East as well. Invaluable knowledge and experience for an area that needs it the most. Many thanks for streaming these fantastic conversations.

    • @alvarobarcala
      @alvarobarcala Před měsícem +10

      Actually Ukraine and Ukrainians like her are very important for Europe nowadays, precisely for what she said about Westerners taking for granted democracy and letting democracy fade not even being aware of it or even being part of its destruction. Instead, Ukrainians and many East European people know how precious and valuable democracy is, and how vulnerable.

    • @dannydetonator
      @dannydetonator Před měsícem +3

      It's partly the unity of top activists in service of resiliance and partly "survivor's paradox". Besides that nobody knows better about autocratic powers' black-propaganda disinformation tactics and strategy than Ukrainians, Russians who escaped their regime andvalso other Eastern Europeans. Any questions about that to us. Also, we adopted democratic principles more recently than just about anyone else.

    • @MrPaskevakas
      @MrPaskevakas Před měsícem

      😂😂😂

  • @peterfiset4039
    @peterfiset4039 Před měsícem +8

    Hi Jonathan and Valeria,
    Thank you for the relevant and technical discussion. I watched it twice, and I will watch it again.
    The reason I am spending the additional time is that I am trying to discern what "actions items" are appropriate for me to attempt to engage.
    Due to complications of individual life, it is necessary for each viewer to be responsible for their own actions, it would also be helpful for the viewer to have a relatively concise summary of the greatest near-term and long-term needs that the audience can help with (in addition to funding and donations).
    For me, "target-diffusion" is a primary source of inefficiency; so I typically counter this natural phenomenon by tackling the simplest tasks first.
    What would be helpful to viewers seeking actionable items, is to ask your guests to summarize their top priorities for the audience to consider, and especially what (redundant) actions to avoid.
    This is not meant to be a criticism... It is more a matter of my uncertainty and trust in my own analysis of the discussion.
    This was a very substantial video.
    Thank you for all you do.
    Slava Ukraini

  • @mystryfine3481
    @mystryfine3481 Před měsícem +10

    Most people do not have a grasp of history

  • @bonnersommer7201
    @bonnersommer7201 Před měsícem +19

    Another time I am so deeply impressed by the level of knowledge we have the honor being presented with in your channel, Jonathan. Thanks also to Mrs. Kovtun and all your other guests.

  • @alvarobarcala
    @alvarobarcala Před měsícem +10

    I'm soooo glad you are bringing up this theme. In the last years I've got very stressed when seeing people in my circles replicating like parrots exactly the same narratives than Russian trolls. Western governments should call for their respective Russian ambassadors to ask for explanations about the massive amount of Russian and pro Russian trolls that invade all Western online platforms (especially in diaries, in the comment section of news related with the War, or with crucial local political issues: for instance thousands of trolls pretending to be European and saying the war is not our business, that we are getting poor because of it, that the US is tricking us, etc). That should be the very least messure, which won't resolve the problem but at least that would trigger a massive exposition of this issue in our media, and would make our societies aware of this massive issue, and conscious of it when Western citizens get exposed sneakily to Russian manipulation.

    • @Kodakcompactdisc
      @Kodakcompactdisc Před měsícem

      It’s impossible to tell the difference between a russian troll and a magat these days. They spout the same crap.

  • @basinUkraine
    @basinUkraine Před měsícem +8

    Amazing content again, great job, very interesting. Thanks!
    ❤❤❤🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

  • @johnmuirhead7855
    @johnmuirhead7855 Před měsícem +31

    Don't Forget Russian Economy is very small compared to Europe... probably only the size of Spain.... without Oil it would be the size of Ireland !

    • @antplace
      @antplace Před měsícem +8

      Unfortunately that is one common misconception. Measured in US dollars maybe their economy is small. But that doesn't matter that much as rashists have the raw material and labor to create everything they need for the war in house for a small fraction of its US dollar price. So, production wise they are not small. People need to wake up and understand they will not be beaten just by wishful thinking, but by a lot of effort and sacrifice.

    • @kladblok2729
      @kladblok2729 Před měsícem +2

      They miss advanced computer technology making industry. You can make a tank with your steel but without chips it wont do anything.

    • @clivestainlesssteelwomble7665
      @clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Před měsícem

      ​@@kladblok2729
      They've been buying non-military chips in the west through third parties and substituting them ..they are not particularly bothered if it doesn't always work or hit an actual target. That or blows up on their own forces. 🤷🏻‍♂️
      The pity is they do work... there are also un ethical suppliers in some cases.

    • @rodneyagesa1851
      @rodneyagesa1851 Před měsícem +2

      No as per world bank figures Russia is now the largest economy in Europe.

    • @shoorakhamis3904
      @shoorakhamis3904 Před měsícem

      Russia has the largest economy in Europe, and the 5th largest economy in the world. It's the only economy that's actually groing wile western economy's are collapsing.and are swimming in debt ,they cannot even pay the interest on it.they are about to collapse.

  • @moinyp
    @moinyp Před měsícem +42

    No doubt in my mind that one day the Ukrainians will turn around and educate the Western nations about the significance of democracy, and so I hope they keep up the fight. Soon they will witness the dawn of a new day.

    • @sweetvictory5643
      @sweetvictory5643 Před měsícem

      I'm Ukrainian living in Canada for a long time, since 2006 happened to know an older well-educated psychologist who before February 24, 2022 saw me as a Soviet person. But since then I'm an enemy to Russia. The man has been spreading ugly, hateful Putin's propaganda against Ukraine and Ukrainians. The man was born in the UK, came to USA with his parents, later avoiding military draft fled to Canada, was recruited and became a communist, visited Moscow in 1968 and there was recruited. Since then he has been pro-Russia. Such people in the West are plenty....

    • @OKEAHKPACA-pd1gl
      @OKEAHKPACA-pd1gl Před měsícem

      I'm Ukrainian living in Canada for a long time, since 2006 happened to know an older well-educated psychologist who before February 24, 2022 saw me as a Soviet person. But since then I'm an enemy to Russia. The man has been spreading ugly, hateful Putin's propaganda against Ukraine and Ukrainians. The man was born in the UK, came to USA with his parents, later avoiding military draft fled to Canada, was recruited and became a communist, visited Moscow in 1968 and there was recruited. Since then he has been pro-Russia. Such people in the West are plenty....

    • @wicker1234
      @wicker1234 Před měsícem

      I'm Ukrainian living in Canada for a long time, since 2006 happened to know an older well-educated psychologist who before February 24, 2022 saw me as a Soviet person. But since then I'm an enemy to Russia. The man has been spreading ugly, hateful Putin's propaganda against Ukraine and Ukrainians. The man was born in the UK, came to USA with his parents, later avoiding military draft fled to Canada, was recruited and became a communist, visited Moscow in 1968 and there was recruited. Since then he has been pro-Russia. Such people in the West are plenty....

    • @robertklimczak5630
      @robertklimczak5630 Před měsícem

      Jak nie dostaną amunicji i broni będziecie świadkami biblijnego powrotu rzezi niewiniątek. Bez patosu prosze,.wiecej czynów.

    • @petardetar5191
      @petardetar5191 Před měsícem

      First they(Ukraine) need to hold the Elections, 2nd they need to unBan opposition parties, 3rd they need to allow freedom of Religion + to do so many other things just to scratch a bit of Democracy...
      Ukraine is so far away from any democracy now and they never been close to it in the past
      But you can live in your bubble and continue to convince yourself about your dreams pretending that they are some shadow of reality :)

  • @thinker646
    @thinker646 Před měsícem +15

    We need this info!

  • @HiFiNerd99
    @HiFiNerd99 Před měsícem +18

    This is one of the most informative channels out there. Keep up the good work!

  • @18_rabbit
    @18_rabbit Před měsícem +7

    soooo good! And such a crucial element to this whole problem of Ru, which has become an existential threat to open/free societies worldwide.

  • @user333-us4qz
    @user333-us4qz Před měsícem +8

    I love your freespeech on this Channel, thanks Sir 👍🙏😁

  • @MichaelRosales25
    @MichaelRosales25 Před měsícem +25

    Smart lady,we shouldn't underestimate our our enemies. russian propaganda is a strong tool for them and its venom has gotten into our society.Great work guys and gals on infoming people on western histroy and russian tactics.And yes we should repeat topics from different angles,as they say repetition is the father of learning.👍

    • @RudolphoAqui
      @RudolphoAqui Před měsícem +5

      Couldn’t agree more

    • @leod-sigefast
      @leod-sigefast Před měsícem

      It does. The number of times I have heard ordinary people say, even here in the UK: "well, this is a 'brother struggle'. We shouldn't get involved" or "NATO has infringed and expanded into Russia's area". It is persistent, brainwashing, but subtle, propaganda that seeps into people's head. People who do not know how to critically think are very susceptible to it. A very similar strategy happened with Brexit....no surprise, Russia helped to push the Brexit campaign in the UK.

    • @chrisrishermn
      @chrisrishermn Před 28 dny

      Russia got to me, too. I think you are crazy and/or evil. You used call the Russians "godless atheists" but now you turn against anything Christian. Always lying and accusing others of what you are doing. Your life won't have a good result unless you repent. Read and Obey the Gospel!

  • @djparn007
    @djparn007 Před měsícem +21

    Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

    • @21stcenturyscots
      @21stcenturyscots Před měsícem

      Defend democracy!!!
      Clearly Selenski could not to the job of kicking out Russia for 2 years. Election time. Which are the most important opposition candidates for Ukraines elections and when is the voting day?

    • @karoltomis5704
      @karoltomis5704 Před měsícem

      Sláma v kravíně!

    • @andrewadams6905
      @andrewadams6905 Před měsícem

      @@21stcenturyscots It makes no sense to spend $millions on elections if that money could be used to ship thousands of Russian invaders back to Russia.

    • @user-rs1zl1vt5p
      @user-rs1zl1vt5p Před měsícem

    • @andrewadams6905
      @andrewadams6905 Před 24 dny

      @@21stcenturyscots Elections will cost millions which should be used to buy drones.

  • @Aussie-Mocha
    @Aussie-Mocha Před měsícem +17

    Wow ! What an incredible individual Valeria is! 🤩
    Her knowledge, message and ability to verbally deliver it in English was intellectually stimulating.
    I’m pretty sure this conversation created some new Neural passages in my brain. 😂

  • @MLE750
    @MLE750 Před měsícem +4

    One of the best channels on You Tube.

  • @edwardwalasinski4079
    @edwardwalasinski4079 Před měsícem +7

    fantastic

  • @susannad700
    @susannad700 Před měsícem +5

    Thank you! So important discussion!

  • @terryhand
    @terryhand Před měsícem +10

    It's really encouraging to know that people like Valeria have such a proactive approach to disinformation. Great interview.

  • @peterselo7707
    @peterselo7707 Před měsícem +14

    As Mark Twain wrote: the lie travels half way round the world before Truth has time to put on its boots.

    • @asumazilla
      @asumazilla Před měsícem

      Lies can be prepared in advance or made up on the spot. They can have a better narrative than the truth. With technology, they can be tailored to the individual.

  • @user-dm3sp7ph7q
    @user-dm3sp7ph7q Před měsícem +7

    This speaker gives me hope that there are well informed media experts who are working to offset the malign influence of misinformation and propaganda.

    • @andyjones1982
      @andyjones1982 Před 24 dny

      These are the guys who create that stuff! Listen to what Russia does, and then realize that everyone else does it too.

  • @danielhargreaves5992
    @danielhargreaves5992 Před měsícem +5

    Excellent

  • @AlfaCharlieLima13
    @AlfaCharlieLima13 Před měsícem +4

    thank you for all the content you have shared with us, but this one is very useful and very much needed.

  • @jonakason4451
    @jonakason4451 Před dnem

    I dearly appreciate the positive attitude and insights of Valeria. Thanks

  • @LizMason-girvan
    @LizMason-girvan Před měsícem +13

    Thanks

    • @mike4480
      @mike4480 Před měsícem +1

      …Thanks for the update and another Great Guest…💙💛💙

  • @castanheira99
    @castanheira99 Před 25 dny +4

    My my ...
    I had no idea that after 100 years of western propaganda, we were so weak facing eastern facts.

  • @Korpen_1979
    @Korpen_1979 Před měsícem +5

    We can present reality in many different ways so that people can take part in it and understand it.
    "20 days in Mariupol" is an excellent way.
    I remember several decades ago during apartheid in South Africa, when the ANC received a number of Nobel Peace Prizes which also created transparency of the problems for the outside world.

  • @pietbiertappertje4529
    @pietbiertappertje4529 Před měsícem +7

    Hoping people will make the right choices. Not too confident they will.

    • @mikefallwell1301
      @mikefallwell1301 Před měsícem

      It's hard to make good choices without Financial disclosure

  • @TheDog_Chef
    @TheDog_Chef Před měsícem +6

    She is so right about reeducation of Russians, just like what South Korea does with North Koreans that have escaped.

    • @andyjones1982
      @andyjones1982 Před 24 dny

      Honestly I am more worried about the Ukrainians I have encountered than the Russians!

  • @Korpen_1979
    @Korpen_1979 Před měsícem +9

    For years now I have been following some channels that deal with prepping / survivalism. In recent years, I have noticed on some North American channels how the content that was previously interesting has been replaced by Russian propaganda. I have a hard time understanding it but assume these channels are being sponsored by forces that like the Kremlin's narrative.
    Greetings from Scandinavia

    • @andyjones1982
      @andyjones1982 Před 24 dny

      I doubt it. Preppers and survivalists are the sort of people who are dissatisfied with western culture or concerned that it might collapse or just want to not be part of a herd mentality. It should not be surprising to you that such people are sympathetic to Russia.

  • @Ryan-Fkrepublicnz
    @Ryan-Fkrepublicnz Před měsícem +5

    I grew up with an entire family of extreme narcissists/sociopaths. Once you realize that people are just incapable of providing your self, you will form excellent resilience to manipulation

  • @hannekenachbahr2133
    @hannekenachbahr2133 Před měsícem +9

    A wonderful interview. Thank you so much, we need voices like this.

  • @user-fz7zt6cw6f
    @user-fz7zt6cw6f Před měsícem +4

    This is such a strange war. Technological information and influence at such speed and this is combined with old and modern armaments.

  • @user-yq2wk6yg8s
    @user-yq2wk6yg8s Před měsícem +7

    I don't think of the war as 'Ukraine's war' I think of it as 'Russia's war' or more 'Putin's war'. I think the apostrophe signifies ownership and we all know who owns the war, who instigated it, and who is responsible for it. The war has been foisted on Ukraine by Putin and Ukrainians don't want war, they just want Russia to get out of their country.

    • @donotmislead
      @donotmislead Před měsícem +4

      This is the Muscovite-Ukrainian war, the twelfth one since 1486 when Muscovy invaded Severia (northeastern Ukraine) for the first time. According to every single pool the total majority of Muscovite population does support the invasion of Ukraine and the genocide of Ukrainians, so there is no place for any apostrophe.

    • @ak5659
      @ak5659 Před měsícem

      ​@@donotmislead-- Just the 12th? I thought they'd started a bit earlier. Or maybe I'm including raids, unsuccessful invasion attempts, or activities done under Mongol rule.
      Apparently I'm doing something wrong as I can't find anything signficant in 1486.
      Apologies. My last Russian history class was during the Cold War. Thanks in advance.

    • @donotmislead
      @donotmislead Před měsícem

      Q: Just the 12th?
      A: Just every forty years in average, the first war lasted for sixteen years.

    • @donotmislead
      @donotmislead Před měsícem

      Q: My last Russian history class...
      A: Russian history has nothing to do with the Muscovite one, these countries never bordered.

    • @andyjones1982
      @andyjones1982 Před 24 dny

      People who argue over words, are trying to suppress a truth from themselves. The truth is, this war is more like a Civil War within Ukraine that has been ongoing since 2014. It took me a while to get past the simplistic statements and moral judgements to get a full picture of what is happening. Some people haven't even started.

  • @TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G
    @TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G Před měsícem +18

    Its hard to imagine that Russia de-evolved in every aspect even compared to totalitarian USSR.

    • @Whangareitaiji3138
      @Whangareitaiji3138 Před měsícem

      It didn't. It was NEVER a democracy. It went from Communist/totalitarian, to oligarchy to kleptocracy to autocracy.

    • @andyjones1982
      @andyjones1982 Před 24 dny

      And yet, you believe it completely uncritically! Hilarious.

  • @samimurtomaki5534
    @samimurtomaki5534 Před měsícem +4

    If You declare that information warfare does not effect you, that is just a clear mark of ignorance, overconfidense and even greater than avarage suggessibility.

  • @paulbrouyere1735
    @paulbrouyere1735 Před měsícem +2

    Thank you for another really explaining episode on this really repugnant war.

  • @weplay4ukraine
    @weplay4ukraine Před 27 dny +2

    Thank you so much for this podcast! Discussions like this one about this information we do have absolutely not enough in Germany. Especially here in Germany. We are really in the focus of the Russians. Just like the USA we are so naïve!

  • @Alaski
    @Alaski Před 28 dny +1

    Minds have been warped by long term use of social media, the lack of psychological resilience in being able to even ask themselves if they are being conned is off the charts. Sadly politicians the world over have taken advantage of the collective "weak mind". We must strengthen our psychological defense, Valeria is correct.

  • @drywallsurgeon
    @drywallsurgeon Před měsícem +4

    Counterfeit information is a real problem, today more than ever. How to disseminate truth?
    To illustrate: In many lands, there is a problem with counterfeit money. If you were given the job of picking out such false money, how would you go about it? By memorizing every kind of counterfeit? No. Your time would be better spent if you studied real money. After you knew what real money looked like, you could recognize a counterfeit. Similarly, when we learn how to identify trustworthy sources of information, we can recognize those narratives that are false.
    It takes effort and sadly people are so confused and just aren’t interested yet. ☑️

  • @christinamuzzu6414
    @christinamuzzu6414 Před měsícem +4

    Would love to see her Mi Tut / We Are Here project in English and on CZcams - I avoid TikTok, Twitter et. al. like the plague.

  • @16252
    @16252 Před měsícem +2

    thanks for posting

  • @scottjacobson4765
    @scottjacobson4765 Před 19 dny

    THANK YOU BOTH!
    IMMENSELY! 🎉❤😊

  • @madstrsleff2958
    @madstrsleff2958 Před měsícem +2

    Cognitive resilience. A term I will be using from now on 😊🇺🇦❤️

  • @marinovillarin6247
    @marinovillarin6247 Před měsícem +3

    WOW,, KOVTUN!

  • @alexanderlehner1849
    @alexanderlehner1849 Před měsícem +2

    Thanks again to you both! I'm trying to 'debunk' RU propaganda for 2 years now.
    Yet still I struggle to explain my friends (which are not even pro-RU) how this works. Hard to grasp this propaganda method in my head.

  • @johnmuirhead7855
    @johnmuirhead7855 Před měsícem +20

    Valeria brings an extremely important point... Russians will need to be Educated in Democracy

    • @RudolphoAqui
      @RudolphoAqui Před měsícem +4

      Actually all democratic countries need to be teaching this constantly, democracy needs to be nurtured. I suppose civics would now might be considered woke?

    • @jmdavison62
      @jmdavison62 Před měsícem +4

      @@RudolphoAqui It's true of both the United States and Russia, but for different reasons. Certainly more media literacy, and historical literacy, is needed in both countries.
      I've heard it said that Gorbachev's attempt to housebreak the Russian body politic was doomed to failure because there was no Russia equivalent to a Marshall Plan. Instead, Russia flailed around during the 1990s, with oligarchs amassing unchecked riches and common folk facing abject poverty. Anyone familiar with 1930s Germany can see where this has been going.

    • @JohnCSmith-lp1qr
      @JohnCSmith-lp1qr Před měsícem

      😂 ....Complete BS . Russians do diplomacy the West Sanctions . Sory countries prefer diplomacy

    • @r4ybc
      @r4ybc Před měsícem +3

      This is the ignorant hubris and disrespect that leads to a big fall. Who are you to judge a whole nation of people and what they need to learn? Try a little self reflection

    • @jmdavison62
      @jmdavison62 Před měsícem +3

      @@r4ybc Try making clear to whom you're responding.

  • @thomassparrevohn8577
    @thomassparrevohn8577 Před 27 dny

    Important and great interview and information- thank you both for your great work

  • @rickhill5161
    @rickhill5161 Před 15 dny

    Amazing lady! Slava Ukraini

  • @janazikmundova6794
    @janazikmundova6794 Před měsícem +1

    One of the best episodes on disinformation, so learnful on various aspects. 👏

  • @davidressler4292
    @davidressler4292 Před 25 dny

    at 44:19 - 45:15 is one of the most powerful arguments I have ever heard about why we all need to support Ukraine to prevail

  • @Steve1734
    @Steve1734 Před měsícem +2

    Reminded of George Costanza's line, "A lie is ok if YOU believe it."

  • @CakesWarden
    @CakesWarden Před měsícem +2

    Outstanding podcast as always!

  • @blackcountrylad464
    @blackcountrylad464 Před měsícem +9

    There must come a point when Jonathan will get tired of talking to brave, beautiful, intelligent Ukrainian women.... Then again, maybe not!
    Great interviewee. So articulate, so knowledgeable, so dedicated, so honest.
    Ukrainians never fail to amaze me.
    🇬🇧🇺🇦💛💙

    • @SiliconCurtain
      @SiliconCurtain  Před měsícem +5

      There are a few brave Ukrainian chaps on the channel too! 😉

    • @blackcountrylad464
      @blackcountrylad464 Před měsícem +3

      @@SiliconCurtain yeah, I must remember to watch one of those one day 😉
      🇬🇧🇺🇦💛💙

    • @eamonnclabby7067
      @eamonnclabby7067 Před měsícem

      ​@@SiliconCurtain....absolutely

  • @davidgray5318
    @davidgray5318 Před měsícem +16

    Valeria is quite the captivating speaker. Very informative!

  • @arthurcphelps
    @arthurcphelps Před měsícem +4

    Thanks!

  • @victoriahigman6802
    @victoriahigman6802 Před 25 dny

    I’m really sorry for Ukraine as they need to see hope. I guess they can’t ‘see’ it either close to or even on the horizon. I love you Ukraine and I never forget you and your courage. Every day I look for news first thing in the morning

  • @alvarobarcala
    @alvarobarcala Před měsícem +16

    Btw, Valeria Kovtun says something very important about identity and the need to consciously defend it. One of the things I learned from reading Russian literature, is that Russia and Russians totally lack of identity, they've lived in an identity crisis for centuries, and they try to make up for that with extreme nationalism and aggressive imperialism. But nationalism and imperialism is not identity, so they never get to have one. You can see this in their obsession with the so elusive term "Russian soul". I say this because one of the reasons Russians, or better said, Moscovians, have tried so hard and for centuries to destroy Ukrainian identity is because Russians DON'T have one. So it is as if owning Ukraine Russia gets some kind of identity, and at the same time they need to destroy the perception that that identity is Ukrainian. You can see this very clearly in the novel of Gogol "Dead Souls". Russia is like a hungry and angry ghost with no identity that endlessly needs to destroy and to swallow its neighbour cultures and identities, in an endless failed attempt to get one. Ukraine has been the victim of this for centuries! And now Europe can be the next victim of this craziness.

    • @PKowalski2009
      @PKowalski2009 Před měsícem +1

      I would disagree here. Until somewhere in the 19th century, the sense of national community was quite elitist. It is sometimes said that such a first awakening was the French Revolution, but other nations lagged behind. In our part of Europe (and I write as a Pole) there is an awakening of consciousness in the 19th century. In Poland, it is increasingly embracing the peasantry; we have a national revolution in Hungary, but also a national awakening in Germany, we have the revival of the Czechs, Slovaks, Croatians, Slovenians... Of course, we also have the Ukrainian national movements. So it is difficult to speak of centuries.
      The problem with Russia may be that in the 20th century, the most important such nation-building experience may have been the Second World War, where Russians did not appear as Russians, but as inhabitants of the USSR. At that time, other nations were either building their new independence (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia) or transforming themselves after the changes (Germans, Austrians, Hungarians), which provided their own national perspective. Even if Ukraine does not have such a happy moment in its history, the attempt to create a state, or to build a consciousness in opposition to the Poles or the Russians, gave experience and preparation for national life. But not to the Russians, who experienced no other Russia than the imperialist one.

    • @andrewadams6905
      @andrewadams6905 Před měsícem

      Without Ukraine, Russia cannot be an empire, very simple.

    • @LesiaChemerynsky
      @LesiaChemerynsky Před měsícem

      Spot on, well said. This is the whole point of the war. Russia's deeply seeded inferiority complex. They can't cope with a Ukraine that is better than them.

  • @ItsMe_Hello_People
    @ItsMe_Hello_People Před měsícem +7

    Great interview. Keep up the good work. 💙💛

  • @bungwohlio
    @bungwohlio Před měsícem +6

    Thank you, Mister Johathan for the great interview.

  • @blaggercoyote
    @blaggercoyote Před měsícem

    Another "gem" Johnathan, thankyou!

  • @millerwtf
    @millerwtf Před 27 dny

    Little Stalin's empire building has to be stopped . What an insightful discussion !

  • @benqurayza7872
    @benqurayza7872 Před měsícem +10

    Russia has, since Czarist times, but especially since Soviet times, poured vast resources into information warfare. It is a major strategic tool.

  • @azalea1404
    @azalea1404 Před měsícem

    That conversation was excellent! Please write a book on the Russian propaganda and disinformation you and your fellow Ukrainians have dealt with, Valeria - in English. That would be of immense value to the world - and also great teaching material for future generations of highschool and university students. ❤

  • @drreaganeliedithphd6526
    @drreaganeliedithphd6526 Před měsícem +3

    Cette guerre a commencé en 2014 après l’annexion illégale de la Crimée et la révolution de dignité/Euromaidan ❤

  • @DarkestAlice
    @DarkestAlice Před měsícem +4

    Thank you so much, Jonathan, for another conversation with Valeria Kovtun. We should do the same in our countries and I hope, it is not too late to get our act together. If everyone would listen to your guests, they might get how serious the situation is. I will continue to support Ukraine and hope, my government will wake up.
    🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦

  • @johnmuirhead7855
    @johnmuirhead7855 Před měsícem +34

    Pointless interfering with UK Elections because All parties support Ukraine

    • @eamonnclabby7067
      @eamonnclabby7067 Před měsícem +17

      Yes despite our political chaos here ,we absolutely support our brave friends in Ukraine...

    • @mikefallwell1301
      @mikefallwell1301 Před měsícem +12

      That may be true but most politicians are privately influenced by money

    • @enemyofthestatewearein7945
      @enemyofthestatewearein7945 Před měsícem

      None the less, it is evident that Russia is fomenting trouble online in all corners of British society, by seeking to exploit and promote existing political divides e.g. Brexit, Immigration, Race, Crime, Scottish Independence, Israel/Palestine, LBGT etc. It can be seen that many of these issues contribute to social chaos and the paralysis of the current UK government.
      It's important to note that Russia regards the UK as a particular enemy not only due to our support of Ukraine but also due to our unique geopolitical position bridging both Europe and the USA. So these targeted hybrid attacks are not going away and we should be doing more to effectively address them.

    • @jmdavison62
      @jmdavison62 Před měsícem +2

      @@mikefallwell1301 Absolutely -- politicians can be corrupted. See Matthew Karnitschnig, "12 Germans Who Got Played by Putin," _Politico_ , 2022-05-05. And, of course, private citizens (e.g. Douglas MacGregor, John Mearsheimer, Scott Ritter) can be corrupted as well, and some don't even require payment in money. Roger Waters is a useful idiot for Vladimir Putin simply because he receives anyone who makes him feel important and smart.

    • @alvarobarcala
      @alvarobarcala Před měsícem

      You are a good example of how sneaky Russian trolls, like you, are. You are sneakily trying to create the perception that Russia interfering doesn't exist, and you do it with a false statement. There are many British politicians in the far right and far left who don't want to support Ukraine and who want to be as away from European affairs as possible. And then, of course, you have another Russian troll (@eamonnclabby7067) who sneakily supports your falsehood.

  • @deanejoyce5393
    @deanejoyce5393 Před měsícem +6

    Fantastic, Jonathan! Especially defining Russian propaganda fantasy with “ what is really going on in the universe “, the reality.💪💪💪🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

  • @petrucho130
    @petrucho130 Před měsícem +2

    Slowly main stream social media is becoming into garbage

  • @migproductions4045
    @migproductions4045 Před měsícem +7

    Slava Ukraine!
    Heroyam Slava!! 💙💛💙💛💙💛

  • @alexandrk5415
    @alexandrk5415 Před měsícem

    Really. Thanks for video

  • @johnlund2036
    @johnlund2036 Před měsícem +1

    The problem with disinformation is that all countries use it to their benefit. It is challenging to know the truth.

  • @RudolphoAqui
    @RudolphoAqui Před měsícem +5

    Thank you, very informative interview, till next time

  • @TheYuri
    @TheYuri Před měsícem +1

    Very interesting conversation. Thank you! I appear regularly on Ukrainian TV and in Ukrainian Russian-language media, informing people on American policy and politics. If you would like me to share my story with your viewers, I would be glad to do that. Thanks!

  • @pjohnson179
    @pjohnson179 Před měsícem +2

    9:33 "That's absolutely fascinating..."
    Bull! It's absolutely sickening.

  • @jeremygibbs7342
    @jeremygibbs7342 Před 3 dny

    Slava Ukraini!

  • @jeffthebluesinem2280
    @jeffthebluesinem2280 Před měsícem +23

    Lies are acts of desperation. Should the truth emerge, the Russia would be finished.

    • @hansmedja2774
      @hansmedja2774 Před měsícem +1

      What lied ? American help you for democracy and freedom yes ? 😂😂😂 like Irak. Syria. Libya. ....., and more. I can continue. Who have more base in the world Afghanistan is be for democracy. Please bandera was what. ? Is United state who crée Ukraine? Or URSS? Think. If you have brains wash by CIA is not everyone. Ok

  • @user-xr3sh5mc5c
    @user-xr3sh5mc5c Před měsícem +1

    Sometime I would very much like to hear an expert opinion on Putin's mastery of gaslighting and propaganda. My sense is that his role in this regard is pivotal in maintaining his regime.

  • @DavidHauck-zy6gm
    @DavidHauck-zy6gm Před měsícem

    Thank You very informent

  • @damienelliott4906
    @damienelliott4906 Před měsícem

    Fantastic insights...but she's beautiful and so intelligent!

  • @stevenpace892
    @stevenpace892 Před 18 dny

    Resilience also suggests an ability to endure incidental (unintended harm) as well.

  • @galkutel
    @galkutel Před měsícem

    Thank you for great content! Can't find any details about the We Are Here project mentioned.

  • @drreaganeliedithphd6526
    @drreaganeliedithphd6526 Před měsícem +2

    Élevez Ukraine et victoire viendra nous sommes avec Ukraine
    Ukraine n’est pas oubliée
    Nous soutenons Ukraine ❤❤🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

  • @antoinerobert7753
    @antoinerobert7753 Před měsícem

    You are very right. Even myself who feels 200% pro-ukraine and 500% anti-ruzzia I can feel it. I get some sort of ukraine fatigue and doubt whether this russians are that bad after all...

    • @andyjones1982
      @andyjones1982 Před 24 dny

      As you should. Your conscience finally breaking through! Thank you for sharing.

  • @manderson9593
    @manderson9593 Před 2 dny +1

    Regarding Ukraine's recovery process, I see no other avenue but for Ukraine to be the leader in the reeducation of russia. It's inevitable.

  • @OneAmongBillions
    @OneAmongBillions Před měsícem

    This is an inspiring channel. What institutional changes can we make to ensure the dark triad types lose their corrupting power over the quality of our lives?

  • @weplay4ukraine
    @weplay4ukraine Před 27 dny

    Very important what Valeria says in the end: “ in the future, we have to re-educate the Russians, so that they can understand what they have done and that they can feel the guilt!”
    Especially I as a German can agree to that.
    My grandfather was a Nazi and Nazi Germany has committed similar crimes, but not at a psychological extent as Russia nowadays.
    (Because Hitler did not have the Internet yet and could not spoil millions of people all over the world)
    Nazi Germany was conquered and lost the war. So we Germans could understand what we’ve done.
    The only key for Russians to also understand their crimes would be that they lose completely this war. But therefore Ukraine needs all help possible. (unfortunately we see exactly the opposite from the western countries.😡)

    • @andrewadams6905
      @andrewadams6905 Před 26 dny

      Russia entered WW2 as Nazi ally in 1939 (was kicked from the League of Nations), and got away with all its WW2 crimes only because it switched alliances in 1941. Putin does not invent anything but simply plagiarizes Hitler, the whole annexation of Crimea was plagiarized from 1938 annexation of Austria, same Nazi excuse (Ein Volk), same "referendum" with over 97% "in favor", they even got their own Z swastika on buildings, tanks, and clothes.

  • @ConstanceChisala-vo1ho
    @ConstanceChisala-vo1ho Před měsícem

    Very much l personally I am healing from it.

  • @WalterBurton
    @WalterBurton Před 25 dny

    There was a genuinely democratic battle in Ukraine, to decide the future of their amazing country, whatever the ethnicity or circumstances of its citizens.
    The liberals won the day, not only at the ballot box, but on the ground, against the might of Russia. At great cost.
    Zelensky's heroism was genuinely unexpected. We can debate until the cows come home whether that SHOULD have been the case, but it factually WAS the case.
    Zelensky's heroism, and the maturity of Ukraine's state identity (not nationalist!).
    So difficult to express in a brief exchange. Not easily turned into a bumper sticker. Yet.

  • @danlindy9670
    @danlindy9670 Před měsícem +6

    Why are cryptographic signatures still not being used to authenticate news sources and why are people not demanding them for all content? Maybe it’s not a perfect system, but it far surpasses what we have now and can support a web-of-trust framework where content platforms can set reasonable defaults that governments could legislate. (Default settings are not censorship.)

  • @emmanuelskantz3893
    @emmanuelskantz3893 Před měsícem +1

    Van der Leyen sells weapons, and the more it lasts, the more she sells..

  • @bigolboomerbelly4348
    @bigolboomerbelly4348 Před měsícem

    She's right. Most people think with their hearts and as a result participate in the propagation process.